HOW To Create A Filterless, Deep Substrate, Nano Tank. Creating a Sustainable Ecosystem in a Jar.
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Really loving this series Alex. I really enjoy a filterless setup.
I've done a few over the years and here's what I've managed to gleen from small set ups
1. Use fish that enjoy a lower pH (I find organics build up in the substrate bed lowering pH over time. I find fish essential honestly as part of the ecosystem. I've struggled without, chasing growth without algae.
2. Have something to buffer the pH, I use a small limestone pebble or a teaspoon of aragonite (I think these only react when the pH drops below 6.8 to 7, I forget the exact science of when they react).
3. Plant heavy with a wide variety of species, not just slow growers. Some will take, some won't do so well, just embrace it.
4. Dose ferts in the early stages, I find it really kickstarts all of the biology in the early stages.
5. Dose co2 with a small diy setup, I go for a bubble every 5 seconds on small setups. I always think of it as giving the plants a knife and fork to eat with while you're dosing.
5. Lastly, have some patience and enjoy watching your setup, look for signs of growth, algae and whatnot before adding fish.
Sorry, for the long post, I didn't want to be one of those people, I just get excited on this topic!
Awesome tips and advice! I also do several of those things in most my setups usually too! I just didn't want to make it even longer haha. I'll pin this though! Thanks
@@Fishtory thanks Alex 😁
It's all very anecdotal but what has worked for me. I do have very soft water from my tap though, almost like RO, barely detectable gh and kh with a pH of around 6.4.
Please update as these bowls evolve! I'm very interested in nano setups & it's so helpful to see what stages things will go through on the way to seasoned & stable. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge! Much appreciated ☺️
hey, i found the video! I'm so inspired, but my current tank has sooooo many plants. It's about a year old. I put potting soil and then capped that with gravel. I guess it's ok, I can see the roots of the plants against the glass which is so fun to watch. I mean, my fish, shrimp, snails and plants seem to be thriving. But from now on, I'll do it the way you suggest. Guess this means I need to start a new tank, LOL. I literally started with a one gallon tank and after finding your channel, I've since upgraded to a ten gallon. I've been feeding my fish live baby brine shrimp, and just recently I set up a tank to grow other critters after watching your video. You're going to turn me into a monster! 😆
Right on haha! You can always add another one hehe
I think Alex found a loophole in the system...
Your wife: "No more tanks Alex"
Alex: "I promise, no more tanks. *You didnt say anything about jars and vases*"
Exactly!
First! (Said the 40 year old male with fish addiction)
Yay! Never change lol
Well THAT will learn that tank for repeatedly growing algae all over it's walls.
Oh I am still so jelly of that wood. It is so uber perfect for that vase. The plants you put in are a great assortment of colors and textures. The vining plants...again perfection.
Your vase is just artistry. Not even playing. If I saw it for sale at a fish store or anywhere, it WOULD be coming home with me even if it cost triple the amount of what I wanted to spend, LOL.
You can't put a price on artistry and creativity and the weird thing about it is, you weren't even thinking about an artistic piece like that, until you saw it.
That's when it hits you. Where is the precious. I MUST have the precious.
I would wish you good luck in the contest, but you don't need it. I think you pretty much nailed this one out gate.
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Darn Skippy!
Very good video Alex, good luck in pack a bowl. I think there are alot of us that have entered, really looking forward to seeing everybody's entry. 🤗💖
Thanks! Yeah I would love to see and even host a stream or all the entries. I'll talk with Jassen
Hi Alex! (Sorry this is so long and off topic of the vid, never seen anything like this so wanted to be as descriptive as possible). I need an expert opinion on what I found in my tank and what to do next. You’re the most knowledgeable person I can think of in regards to the fish world and I trust your opinions!
For many months I’ve been battling this brown floofy looking stuff. It’s algae-like but not sure it’s algae. It gathers and attaches itself to the top part of roots just under the substrate. It’s very light weight, it smells like pond, medium brown colored, fish or snails do not want to eat it. It does not seem to care if it’s lives in high light or low. It does not live on plant leaves.
To deepen the mystery. I found tons last night on only one hidden piece of wood and only that wood. Mopani was touching the engulfed piece and none of was growing on it at all.
Pushing on the wood - the stuff felt more solid than cyano but still really floofy. Kinda lumpy looking growth but not in feel. Like a Pomeranian with a really bad haircut lol. The wood was fully covered. It felt almost soft/spongy and didn’t detach and go everywhere like it does if uprooting a plant. I didn’t think to take a pic, I just threw the entire piece of wood out.
For the plants: it slows growth and eventually chokes out the plant via the top roots downwards. The only way I’ve managed to “save” the plants affected is uproot, wash the roots and replant somewhere else - even then after a month-ish, same problem. It starts jusssst below the surface on roots. I thought maybe it was some weird cyano that doesn’t look typical but now I can’t even guess anymore. Its capable of slowing the flow of a canister filter significantly given enough time. It’s just…????
Tank is 63 gallon, high tech, canister filter, liquid ferts, florite substrate. Tank is nearing a year old. Parameters always good - there’s a ton of plants.
Note: have done 1 treatment of Chemiclean which did not affect the stuff and vacuuming it only gives plants a tiny bit of relief. If I do clean/replant somewhere else, it’ll be a month or two but the stuff always comes back. Vacuuming only slows the progression.
What’s your best guess? I’m at a loss…
Thank you for your time and any information!
Whoa. That is frustrating and interested at the same time. My first thoughts are a water fungi or bacteria. Mopani has more tannins and is denser than any other wood in our hobby, by far. So it can feed that sort of colony for months and months...my gut says pull out the wood, soak It in tap water/scrub it and dry it before trying again with it...but boiling would work depending on size too.
Now it could be something very exotic ...like a freshwater bryozoan (colony of cells like a freshwater sponge...often it's jelly textured and looks like frog eggs, but there are hundreds of species.)
I honestly don't know how to only target that sort of thing if it is a freshwater colony of organisms like a bryozoan species or freshwater sponge. (Sorry).
However, generally things like that need specific water parameters... be it the tds or oxygen amount/flow or temp or ph. So my thought is perhaps you could remove the wood for a week or so, and do a water change.... add some crushed coral if you can let the water get harder...or add dried leaves/almond leaves if your fish wouldn't mind more acidity... if you can change the ph by .5 to a .75 up or down, it usually kills whatever microorganisms are flourishing. Last resort try some erythromycin or any gram positive antibiotic... that will 100% kill any cyanobacteria or runaway colonies of some odd bacteria... however if it's mold/rot=fungi then that doesn't usually kill it at all. There are fungicides too, but they're sort of specific and other than something like API's anti-fungi med or aka metronidazole I wouldn't add most things to a tank ... you could try either the fungi cure by api or gram positive antibiotics as I said, but I think the wood will be your main source if issues...so removing it, killing off the colony "mother" or central cell cluster, should also kill the stuff on the plants etc... then after you could add the wood to a bucket of chlorinated tap water for a week or two and see if it grows in the bucket too before putting it back in the tank.
Sorry I don't have a solid answer...but that's the stuff I'd try, in the order I'd try it. Best of luck and Goodluck! Please keep me updated too. Take care, cheers, Alex.
@@Fishtory
This is so helpful!!! Thank you so much.
I’m so thankful you spend time answering people’s questions (and mine!!), I’m positive you make a huge impact on aquarium success. It’s very meaningful. I’m sure it’s really hard to keep up with all of us commenters.
To me, this if one of the most invaluable videos, Alex. Thanks again!
So glad you found it informative! Have a great day :)
@@Fishtory Thanks, and you as well. I'm setting up my first filterless 3 gallon right now. I took screenshots of your layers of sand, rocks, soil, and sand again... about to copy it 🙏
I'd like to try a vase aquarium at some point, seems fun.
I highly recommend setting one. ..or like 30 up haha
That's pretty neat, looking forward in half a year to get an update.
For sure! I've been doing updates in livestreams...so any tank you are curious about, you can look through those if you feel like spending the time hehe.
@@Fishtory thank you!
Thank you for this video! I’ve been wanting to set up a large bowl as a centerpiece on my table, but I’ve been worried about not having a heater. The tips about the types of fish was very helpful.
There are pretty good 25l (5.5 gallon) glass balloons. There are some with 52 liters (pretty much 11 gallons), but i didn't find one with a hole big enough, to fit my hand in.
Very nice. Thank you for sharing! Rock on! - Little Bobby
Sure thaaang
Thank you so much for this educational video! Coincidentally I am eager to start making some jars, bowls and vessels.
100% thank YOU For commenting and being do supportive
Ive always though this was a pretty cool idea. My house shifts way too much in temperature on a daily basis to pull this off. I’d like a super tall vase and grow some rotala rotundifolia as high and red as possible.
Get a blue mystery snail colony and Malaysian trumpet snails. At the top would be pothos with roots growing downwards and the vines hanging over the sides.
Mount some LEDs behind the vase pointing downwards to get a cool ominous shadow effect in the evening. I sand it to look like a little sliver of a swamp on a alien world. I might do this anyway and just throw a heater in it and let the mystery snail stir up the temperatures with their constant parachute drops
Sounds great! I'd be curious if mystery snaile/apple snails would eat too many plants and create too much waste byproduct and ammonia.
But I'd love to hear If it works out
@@Fishtory I was breeding them out in a 5 gallon and waste didn’t become as much of a problem as space as the first gen became full size. I’ve heard that they can consume plants but I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed it. I used to use that tank as a algae scrub for my stem plants although none as soft as pearl weed or anything.
My main concern would be a large mystery snail trying to grab a very tall rotala from the top and folding it to the bottom. That would be such a pain to fix
The music from the tikelapse 😅😅😅😅
First time I tried growing fish without filter or nothing was like this , those small elder something that looks like gouppies , right now I’m doing the same with sand from the beach and sargassum so far the fish is surviving
Very Inspirational, Alex! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I found a tall jar at a second hand shop this morning for $2. so I'm going to try this. What are the layers of substrate, and can I use regular organic potting soil for the aqua soil layer? Buying that kind of aquarium soil here in Australia is extremely expensive.
I made a video of how this was done and i go over substrate options and what i use. I believe its called "setting up a no tech tank" or " how to create a filterless bowl vase or tank"
Hey Alex! I’m loving these videos - it’s such a cool little project and nice to know how to do it in a way that can sustain life long term. Along those lines I’ve got a question: I will be moving cross country next year, and how to transport my aquariums has become a major source of concern. I’ve wanted to try my first dirted tank but decided to hold off because I know that it would completely wreck the system to dismantle it enough to transport. But I’m wondering if, with a setup this small, it would be possible in some way to pack and move it without disrupting it completely. Any wisdom you could impart would be much appreciated! Much love ❤️
Well shucks thank you for your kind words... YES! if it's 29g /20g long or smaller... especially 10g or 5g or 15g they can be moved. You just drain all but the substrate and an inch of water above that level, then place fish in Tupperware or buckets with an airstone or sponge filter and a rechargeable air pump...then change the water I'm the bucket (which can also just have plants floating in it too) at any stop longer than 12 to 16 hours or so ideally .... then you just allow the crypts and mosses and deep rooted plants to float In the inch or Two of water in the tank. I've moved one tank 3 times without changing the substrate .... I've moved 55 and 40 gallons too...but they're more work...and you need to buy industrial suction cup clamp on handles and use a few people to help carry it. .
With nano tanks under 10 gallons, I'll usually drain 25 or 30 and just move the whole thing with fish in it... they're usually okay for a couple hours but if it goes more than 4 hours or so, I'd add a battery chargeable pump and airstone
Thank you so much! These are great ideas. I’m feeling better about this whole thing and all of my tanks are 20 long or less so this is perfect. Moving is stressful anyway, and the idea of having to give up my ‘lil water worlds in the process felt overwhelming. Despite the extra hassle it will be worth it for me.
Soo much knowledge
Why the sand on the very bottom, Alex? Great video, thanks!
Just to disperse any sharp points of stone or sticks from pushing directly onto the glass
I have a 30 gallon planted guppy tank with wild neocaridina shrimp I have guppy grass hornwort limnophila sessiliflora pearl grass Amazon forgot duckweed giant duckweed salvinia crypts... I'm new to planted tanks soo I tried to get some easy plants but I think I've gone overboard a little and I'm struggling because my supply water is soft like very soft I've been using seachem equilibrium to re mineralized the water and my ph seems okay at around 7.5... I had an airstone with just a sponge filter my floating plants were dying I think because I had too much surface agitation because I had the airstone and sponge filter full blast but I put a valve on the airstone to reduce the flow dramatically and the sponge filter is still pretty high flow also my guppy grass and pearl grass seems to be melting while the sessiliflora and hornwort are thriving... any suggestions also had a couple tall boys while I wrote this soo judgement to a minimal please lol
I'd recommend buying like 1 or 2 lb bag of crushed shells/or crushed coral and add about a cups per 10 gallons of tank...just sprinkle it on the substrate and use a net handle or something to mix it a little into the sand. Gravel or substrate ...that'll let you avoid seachem equilibrium and just slowly buffer your ph and probably add about .5 ph to 7.0 water. Also, guppies eat a lot... so people tend to over feed them and they become poop machines lol ...(which makes acidity increase and ammonia /nitrates etc.)
So I'd just say add 3 cups or so of crushed coral and cut the food back a bit perhaps... and guppies don't really need surface agitation, so that's up to you. Best of luck though! For plants light is usually your best "bang for your buck" long term. I really like the fluval 3.0 lineup if you can swing for the money
@@Fishtory I forgot to mention my substrate is pea gravel from the hardware store but I have heard good things about crushed coral I'll definitely give that a try I like the more natural way of doing things and taking my time... also I'm guilty of overfeeding but my tank seems to handle amonia and nitrates very well with the plants and everything I do test often and do my weekly water change of 10 gallons... only question I have about crushed coral is if I mix it in the gravel how long do you think it will deplete its minerals before I need to replace it if I mix it in the substrate
I like all your work but this one is WAY too narrow and tall for horizontal-swimming fish. I think inverts-only for this one. Or lower the water and just make it a Betta vase. My opinion might suck sometimes I dunno.
I agree only certain fish should be In a jar or a tank only 9 inches across and 28 or so tall
Beautiful!!🎉🙂👍
Thanks Regina!
Love the zeppelin reference. I'm not 35 tho but now I feel old af
Lol
Cool set up Alex!
Thanks. It's about as low maintenance as I could plan something to be
I cringed so hard when you tossed that tank lol, poor thing🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah it had 3 panes cracked /seams busted haha
Nice
this is awesome sauce!
Glad you think so!
Badabing
Nice one!
Alex is stalking me again ???lets watch hahaha
Haven't heard the Severe Beatings in a while
What's that now? Lol
"Humane" *fish gasping for air*
These fish can breathe air...they live in small rock pools cut off from the rivers in S. China/ Vietnam. So unless they're floating listlessly, or only at the top...then their doing well
Nice nails
Why thank you...I (Dont) work very hard to keep them looking fabulous
@@Fishtory new slogan, come for the tanks and stay for the nails haha 🐟💅
These intros are getting out of hand...
sorry ill be honest but thats too small
5 gallons of water is too small for which creatures? What would you say 3 to 5 white cloud minnows neee to be properly cared for?