Lucas Horizontal Boring Mill Restoration: Scraping the Table Flat

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  • Lucas Horizontal Boring Mill Restoration: Scraping the Table Flat
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  • @russromito4903
    @russromito4903 Год назад +1

    I worked at Lucas Machine from 1977 to 1990 as a Machine Tool Builder.

  • @LanceMcGrew
    @LanceMcGrew Год назад +26

    I'm a retired machinist of 46+ years knowing these procedures existed but until now had never seen done. Thank you for documenting.

    • @iteerrex8166
      @iteerrex8166 Год назад

      Lol and glad only once was enough.

  • @Revilo0o
    @Revilo0o Год назад +7

    Exciting to hear a mention of the stoker engine!

  • @oddwad6290
    @oddwad6290 Год назад +19

    We've lost so many old timers over each generation , and taking many hard won skills with them . Enjoy your videos showing how it was done starting long ago and for a very long time . Very valuable .

    • @wesleymonske8103
      @wesleymonske8103 Год назад +4

      Knowledge is KING .

    • @tomsing6384
      @tomsing6384 Год назад +1

      @@wesleymonske8103 Love is the THING.

    • @garytotty3971
      @garytotty3971 Год назад +3

      I learned the black art from old Germans and Dutchmen. They would never be caught with a Bix or a carbide tipped scraper in their hands. Myself, I preferred carbide, but always finished out with a carbon steel scraper (usually the last four or five passes when we are splitting the dots). Most guys hated the job, but I loved to scrape and cut surface plates. It took me several years to just learn to read the dots (if done right will really save a lot of time). Those old men would have had a stroke watching me with an electric scraper. My chips were often smoking

  • @fiorevitola880
    @fiorevitola880 Год назад +5

    Keith: Your certainly a one-man show, be safe and good luck.

  • @jeffreysmith8735
    @jeffreysmith8735 Год назад +10

    Outstanding! I would look like a smurf for sure with all that ink around.

  • @patrickcolahan7499
    @patrickcolahan7499 Год назад +14

    The surface turned out extremely well. I have to admit, the scraped pattern has a great look to it. Thanks very much for sharing.

    • @garytotty3971
      @garytotty3971 Год назад

      there is a gauge used to judge the quality of a scrape job (assuming that everything is flat and all angles are brought together well). It's really nothing but a piece of .03" or .06" gauge stock that is roughly 2 inch square. The center will have a one square cut out.. You lay it on the surface about count the dots. A machine way should be between 15 to 18 dots, but not all dots count. Your looking for foot ball shaped dots that are about 3/16" x .10". Round ones under .125" don't count, and anything bigger than .25" means you're not done. Holes in the pattern also say you are not done. When you start seeing a majority of small foot ball shaped dots, then it's time to start picking. This is also the time your reading skills jump out at you. You don't cut anything out, but you learn to split the dots and even then not every dot gets cut. That's also when that forged carbon scrapers jumps to the top of the list. Lastly; it's an unwritten rule that you never ever touch a scraped surface with your bare fingers. If someone does this, you'll see it on your next cut.

  • @kitmaira
    @kitmaira Год назад +5

    I’d hate to have that monster fall on me. Stay safe, and I hope you had a great Christmas!

  • @willybeeish
    @willybeeish Год назад +17

    Hi Keith Hope you all had a Happy Christmas and you escaped the storm. Can I mention a tip for cleaning surfaces. I have used towelling, cotton rag, paper towels etc and they all leave residue however slight. I use freshly home laundered MicroFibre cloths (a clean one for each job - wash and come again). The surface wiped is microscopically clear of debris or residue. The slight charge induced by wiping and rubbing attracts atmospheric dust to the microfibre and leaves surfaces pristine. Happy New Year - Bill B - from a dust free UK!!

    • @iantaylor5579
      @iantaylor5579 Год назад

      Bill, where do you buy your microfibre from in the U.K?

    • @williamburrows2755
      @williamburrows2755 Год назад

      @@iantaylor5579 Hi Ian. Amazon have a good selection here. Bill B

  • @907jl
    @907jl Год назад +26

    Wow, the grinder did an amazing job on the table. That sucker is flat! I hope I don't offend, but I'd like to offer a bit of rigging safety advice. I really wish that you would stop the practice of passing the webbing of your endless slings through the shackle/hook on your chain fall. I know it's quick and convenient, but there is nothing there to prevent a shift in the COG of the load from causing the webbing to simply slide through the shackle/hook and upend the load in an instant. Best practice is have an eye at both ends of the lifting sling, so they are permanently trapped in the shackle so your load can't flip, no matter what. I know it's picking nits, and I know you've gotten away with it for years, but it's a really bad practice, and especially so if you are alone in the shop. I've been working with overhead loads all my life, and it just makes me cringe every time I see such things on youtube. That said, I really enjoy your channel, and hope this is received in the spirit it was given.

    • @oddwad6290
      @oddwad6290 Год назад +5

      Nice smart comment . Well done .

    • @samrodian919
      @samrodian919 Год назад +2

      That sir is sound advice and not nit picking in the least. If that table goes south, east or west it's gonna hurt big time!

    • @paulhunt598
      @paulhunt598 Год назад +2

      I value this comment too. I have rigged part time for 40 years and seldom considered your concern. I intend to heed your advice. I have a 3T gantry with chain fall set up very similar to Keith's in my hobby shop. I work mostly alone. The chain fall operator chain is prone to catch on the loads unlike a hoist that stores its surplus chain in a bag. I didn't expect that issue when I set up my hobby shop. That chain grab can happen suddenly. Doing his demonstrated operation could easily prompt the load shift that you warn about. Retired tradesman are still inexperienced enough to need additional training.
      I had a seemingly endless supply of one time use straps. A vendor shipped precut stock with a new strap on every piece delivery. The lathe operator collected them. I cleared out his matched inventory giving dozens of them to my boys. I assumed that I would stock up for myself, but suddenly decided to retire. I have a large inventory of mismatched straps and slings. I regret giving away those straps to the boys. Now I will have to buy my own!

  • @leeklemetti1887
    @leeklemetti1887 Год назад +4

    A great result! My only suggestion is: Hire a gorilla to move the table over the surface plate. Save your back.

  • @petegraham1458
    @petegraham1458 Год назад +12

    Wow ! I am impressed with the quality of the grinding on the table.

  • @homeryoung7436
    @homeryoung7436 Год назад +9

    Good to see you. Hoping your health issues have been resolved and that you had a good Christmas

  • @Dudleymiddleton
    @Dudleymiddleton Год назад +4

    Even with a power assisted scraping machine, that took some patience and concentration to achieve - as well as a bit of back-ache shouting it's way into the mix! Just imagine if it had to be hand scraped using the manual tools - back in the day! Nicely done, Keith, hope you and all are having a good Christmas so far!

    • @tsmartin
      @tsmartin Год назад +1

      It makes one wonder if the initial process could be automated in some fashion.

    • @hectorpascal
      @hectorpascal Год назад +1

      @@tsmartin Exactly my thoughts, with laser scanning to identify the high spots and report back a map of the surface irregularities? 🤔 I guess such a system MUST exist nowadays?

    • @garytotty3971
      @garytotty3971 Год назад

      there some tricks to scraping with a power scraper. First of all keep adjusting the hight till you get comfortable. Then measure that hight and write it down. Another guy will be different. The bad ones are the ones you have reach way out there, or scrape from an odd angle. Usually vertical. Dove tails can be a pain, and you always get busted knuckles. Forget the power scraper as it's too hard to control at angles. Gibs are easy once you figure out how to hold it in place.
      Most good men don't use a power scraper, and will not work with somebody using one. I can do either, but always finish with a hand scraper. The thing about a power scraper is you must learn to control the way you scrape first. You cut in a small circular pattern keeping the blade moving in one direction. I go right to left while reaching further out all the time. I practiced on an old 12" x 18" cast iron plate till I got the knack. Once you got it the rest is easy

  • @CraigLYoung
    @CraigLYoung Год назад +3

    Watching you stone the table, all I could think of was "Wax on, Wax off." Merry Christmas 🎅

  • @GeorgeWMays
    @GeorgeWMays Год назад +2

    Wow, that turned out nicely. One of your Christmas presents to yourself.... 🙂

  • @jimneely4527
    @jimneely4527 Год назад +2

    I wondered what happened with the Jimmy Diresta band saw. Now I know that it is waiting it's turn to get finished. Thanks for sharing.

  • @keithwelton
    @keithwelton Год назад +1

    As a retired U.K. Toolmaker I found alcohol to be the best Granite surface plate cleaner. It enables height gauges etc to glide across the surface friction free.

  • @floridaflywheelersantiquee7578
    @floridaflywheelersantiquee7578 Год назад +2

    Thanks Keith hope you had a Happy Christmas

  • @bigun447
    @bigun447 Год назад

    Fantastic!

  • @oleran4569
    @oleran4569 Год назад +4

    Good job Keith! Hope your holidays are great!

  • @scrotiemcboogerballs1981
    @scrotiemcboogerballs1981 Год назад

    Thanks for sharing

  • @k4x4map46
    @k4x4map46 Год назад +1

    Yaaaay Jimmy back in the house!! Well soon; not sure why I'm so attached to that bandsaw!! lol best of health to ya!!

  • @kevinwayne7546
    @kevinwayne7546 Год назад

    Great job!

  • @SgtCude59
    @SgtCude59 Год назад

    Great video

  • @melshea2276
    @melshea2276 Год назад +1

    Merry Christmas!👍✌️

  • @Tadesan
    @Tadesan 5 месяцев назад

    What a massive job!!

  • @thefirstcalled
    @thefirstcalled Год назад

    Thank you! Merry Christmas to you and yours!!!

  • @kentuckytrapper780
    @kentuckytrapper780 Год назад +2

    Excellent video Keith, keep'um coming..

  • @catfishgray3696
    @catfishgray3696 Год назад +1

    GET WELL SOON, GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO...

  • @6NBERLS
    @6NBERLS Год назад

    Most excellent.

  • @lecnac855
    @lecnac855 Год назад +3

    Looks great and I would buy it.well done.

  • @bagherdaneshnessian
    @bagherdaneshnessian Год назад +1

    Hi Keith, I'm one of your followers and fans,
    You are alone at your shop! I can be your help, if you want ;)
    Thanks for you great videos
    And merry Christmas

  • @kevinreardon2558
    @kevinreardon2558 Год назад

    Have a Joyous New Year!

  • @wesleymonske8103
    @wesleymonske8103 Год назад +1

    Happy Holidays , best wishes and more blessings .

  • @bulletproofpepper2
    @bulletproofpepper2 Год назад +4

    Thanks for sharing. Beautiful work! Trust but verify.

  • @pmsteamrailroading
    @pmsteamrailroading Год назад

    Enjoyable as ever.

  • @trebuchetsupportsquad7909
    @trebuchetsupportsquad7909 Год назад

    Very cool!

  • @blacksiddha
    @blacksiddha Год назад +1

    Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and your family Keith. Thank you for a great entertaining and informative 2022. All the best for 2023 from New Zealand

  • @ronaldbollinger440
    @ronaldbollinger440 Год назад

    Merry Christmas,

  • @mrcpu9999
    @mrcpu9999 Год назад

    I think I was born too late. Love this.

  • @clinto.dasecke3172
    @clinto.dasecke3172 Год назад

    Happy new year Keith love the videos

  • @Bobs-Wrigles5555
    @Bobs-Wrigles5555 Год назад

    The little gems that come out in casual talk, Windex by the barrel...
    Another informative video, thank you Keith

  • @aserta
    @aserta Год назад +1

    Scraping produces such pretty surfaces.

  • @geraldharkness8830
    @geraldharkness8830 Год назад

    well done keith great job that plate was sure heavy!

  • @garthbutton699
    @garthbutton699 Год назад

    Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year and speedy recovery,thanks for your efforts🤗😎🤗😎

  • @carlbyington5185
    @carlbyington5185 Год назад

    Very cool

  • @bobthomas9525
    @bobthomas9525 Год назад

    Merry Christmas.

  • @bernardwill7196
    @bernardwill7196 Год назад

    Merry Christmas

  • @dingui875
    @dingui875 Год назад

    Joyeuses fêtes de fin d'année à toi!!!!

  • @groopmmex
    @groopmmex Год назад

    Super!

  • @andrewhorsburgh2549
    @andrewhorsburgh2549 Год назад

    Happy holidays from New Zealand 👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @curtisowens7834
    @curtisowens7834 Год назад

    Thanks for the videos, Keith. They are calm and relaxing and they remind of years ago watching Bob Vila with my dad. You and others inspired me to get my own machines. Not much, but a Clausing 8520 and a 14x42 Logan. I wouldn’t have been able to work with them hadn’t not been for your videos.

  • @RRINTHESHOP
    @RRINTHESHOP Год назад +1

    Merry Christmas Keith, Nice job .

  • @Blazer02LS
    @Blazer02LS Год назад

    Love that windex story. I know of a few companies that do similar. Chicago Pneumatic used to take Marvel Mystery oil and repack it as air tool oil for themselves as well as the companies they made tools for, like Sears and Snap-On. When the plant in Utica was shutting down they were tossing out inventory like crazy. I got a full set of air tools and a few cases of oil in Sears tins.

  • @tnekkc
    @tnekkc Год назад

    Got a Christmas card from VintageMachinery. That is the ONLY Christmas card I got. Merry Christmas.

  • @charliemacrae1045
    @charliemacrae1045 Год назад

    Hard work!!

  • @geoffhayes905
    @geoffhayes905 Год назад +1

    Just a little suggestion. You could have turned your aframe 90° to the way you used it and only relied on your beam trolly to move plate to table. Less moving parts and easier to control. The eyebolts you used we are not allowed to use at that angle I would suggest swivel eyeballs. Safer and takes much steeper lifting angles without the possibility of shearing the shank at that angle. Love your videos.

  • @steptool1
    @steptool1 Год назад

    Nice!!!

  • @kevinstallard7437
    @kevinstallard7437 Год назад

    I know it had to be done, but my heart sank when you made the first pass.

  • @randyboldt603
    @randyboldt603 Год назад

    Hope you had Marry Christmas also that your New Year be better

  • @paulkinzer7661
    @paulkinzer7661 Год назад

    Another video teaching me about something I didn't know a thing about. Thanks, Keith!
    And thanks for talking about using you hands for both cleaning and sensing how clean things are. Our bare hands are fantastic tools for both, and they clean up pretty easily, too! We can feel differences as small as 10 BILLIONTHS of a meter with our fingers! We don't usually need that kind of sensitivity, but what better place than with something like this?

  • @chadgdry3938
    @chadgdry3938 Год назад +1

    choosing flat is a rabbit hole

  • @RobertKohut
    @RobertKohut Год назад

    Precision is as precision does... 🙂

  • @russb7432
    @russb7432 Год назад +2

    Always get the impression that scraping is done just because people like to do it and not because it's necessary in many cases.

  • @Drottninggatan2017
    @Drottninggatan2017 Год назад +3

    One can imagine that with such a large surface and being flat it was floating on top of the ink. What showed up was inconsistencies in the thickness of the ink layer.

  • @polakis1975
    @polakis1975 Год назад

    That spray mechanism is suffering..😂 Happy holidays!

  • @WilliamTMusil
    @WilliamTMusil Год назад

    Hiya Keith

  • @robertrousseau5264
    @robertrousseau5264 Год назад

    Keep I hope you had a Merry Christmas and I know you were saying you going to have surgery so I hope you get well soon and have some great videos this was a good one as always all right this is Bob from Vero Beach Florida God bless and have a great day

  • @cm5838
    @cm5838 Год назад

    I have been watching yours and others videos related to machining and repairing machining equipment for some time now. I have a need for a lathe and mill but my budget says I’m gonna be buying machines that need a lot of work. Granted I don’t need such a large mill but still this looks very intimidating trying to overhaul old precision machines. This coming from a guy that takes abandoned atv’s sometimes from swamps and puts them back into service. It still scares the hell out of me spending a couple thousand on a machine knowing I might ruin it with my inexperience.

  • @cyclebuster
    @cyclebuster Год назад +3

    Good to see you up and about, cant wait for the next project. will you leave the lead on and try to get some orders? that isnt the only orphan out there needing gears

  • @tomrobertson3236
    @tomrobertson3236 Год назад +1

    As a widow cleaner windex is my last choice
    But for you , move your towel only one way
    Doing a circle motion picks up debris but the dumps it out on the back stroke. Glass plus is a better choice for windows

  • @kindablue1959
    @kindablue1959 Год назад +2

    I think this is the first confirmation that the Diresta saw is still a work in progress. I was concerned that it was deemed unfixable or Jimmy took in back.

  • @SciPunk215
    @SciPunk215 Год назад +1

    You seem to get a similar binding effect between the two surfaces as you do with precision gage blocks.

  • @PG-ku9qd
    @PG-ku9qd Год назад

    First!
    Love the channel, Keith!

  • @zacgougeon6496
    @zacgougeon6496 Год назад

    My boss using hand sanitizer for surface plate cleaner boy I was surprised how good it works

  • @robertwilliamson8072
    @robertwilliamson8072 Год назад

    Keith definitely likes scraping flats. I heard him say he needs the boring mill for the Diresta Band Saw restoration. I was thinking he might use it to spin the wheels for truing them up but now, with all this scraping, I'm not sure anymore. Oh well. I'll just exercise my patience. It could use a workout anyway.

  • @priority2
    @priority2 Год назад +1

    Wow! Excellent video Keith. Did I miss how much it weighed? Curious to know. Thanks for sharing your extensive knowledge❤

    • @nevetslleksah
      @nevetslleksah Год назад +1

      0.255 lbs per cubic inch, I am going to guess 800 to 1000 pounds.

  • @Dan-wt7jx
    @Dan-wt7jx Год назад

    You need a powered hoist for your gantry to get that chain out of the way.

  • @dhamps10
    @dhamps10 Год назад +2

    I have learned a lot about scraping from you. Is there a "working" time for the blueing compound, and how do clean off the blueing?

    • @royreynolds108
      @royreynolds108 Год назад +1

      Go up to his name above the 224K number and click on this to go to his channel index. There look for the videos about scraping or any other subject of interest. This is the best way I can tell you how to find them.

  • @robertpoulston8342
    @robertpoulston8342 Год назад +1

    Hello Keith, I love all your scraping Content . Where can I find a small hand scraper?

  • @littleworkshopofhorrors2395
    @littleworkshopofhorrors2395 Год назад +5

    Had you thought to check with blue before all that scraping?

    • @russkepler
      @russkepler Год назад +2

      I think the blue would make the table stick to the surface plate pretty good. I've done that with a little ground fitter's rule that was 18x4 and it stuck to the plate badly enough that it had to be slid sideways off the plate. When things are flat you can feel the air between surfaces until it squeezes out.

    • @kindablue1959
      @kindablue1959 Год назад

      I think he trusted that the grinding service did their job. Likely they have validation equipment of much higher precision than what Keith has, and likely they certified their work. And as mentioned, it would be very difficult to move or get the pieces apart due to stiction or 'wringing'.

    • @JaapGrootveld
      @JaapGrootveld Год назад

      @@kindablue1959 I agree.There was no need at al, to scrape that table.

    • @kindablue1959
      @kindablue1959 Год назад +3

      @@JaapGrootveld His reasons for scraping had nothing to do with making it flat - he explains why he did it in the video. You of course are free to do whatever you prefer for your own equipment.

  • @W4BIN
    @W4BIN Год назад +2

    Please mount your MIC higher at the top of your apron to minimize brushing against it. Ron W4BIN

    • @davekummer6587
      @davekummer6587 Год назад

      yes not good for headphone user

    • @JohnChuprun
      @JohnChuprun Год назад

      he lowered the volume on purpose, because the scraper is loud

  • @charlesrjellison1265
    @charlesrjellison1265 Год назад

    SEASON’S GREETINGS TO ALL! crj.

  • @roberttolliver5430
    @roberttolliver5430 Год назад +3

    When are you going to start your new shop that place is looking kind of crowded 😂

  • @edwinfriedl2446
    @edwinfriedl2446 Год назад +4

    also a Merry Christmas to you. It does seem counterintuitive to scrape a ground surface. How do you know the scraped surface remains parallel to the other side?

    • @russkepler
      @russkepler Год назад +3

      Not Keith but 2 things help to keep the parallelism. First, you're scraping equally across the table, so the high points should remain to describe a plane parallel to the opposite surface. Secondly, scraping might remove .0001 in a pass so a single pass isn't going to change things a lot. You'd have to take a bunch of passes to change things across a table that size.

    • @edwinfriedl2446
      @edwinfriedl2446 Год назад +3

      @@russkepler Thank you, so the changes are negligible.

  • @richardsurber8226
    @richardsurber8226 Год назад +1

    yes that is a good illustration of the benefits of a scraped surface for purpose of a flat (bearing) surface

  • @tommyhartman
    @tommyhartman Год назад

    That has to be task that you want to put off a long as possible.

  • @broggyr
    @broggyr Год назад +1

    I was gonna ask what happened to the bandsaw restoration :D

  • @edconway9072
    @edconway9072 Год назад

    Great video. 🤠👌🤡👍🏻,Hoot

  • @JaapGrootveld
    @JaapGrootveld Год назад +2

    There is a difference between wanting to scrape your table and having to scrape your table.

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 Год назад

    Use those cast iron shavings with some vinegar to make wood stain.

  • @truckguy6666
    @truckguy6666 Год назад

    Where is Gorbel with a jib crane for this guy?? Really dropping the ball, gorbel.

  • @wesbiglin4845
    @wesbiglin4845 6 месяцев назад

    did you check the tabletop to be parallel with the bottom ways after scraping? I know it was ground, but was the table checked to the bottom way after grinding?? It is critical that the top of the saddle is parallel to the bottom saddle ways and the same with the table, ways and table top must be parallel, if that was accomplished in grinding, no worries, great video, lots and lots of work!!!

  • @billmckillip1561
    @billmckillip1561 Год назад +2

    Is that the heaviest blued piece so far?

  • @rlferv
    @rlferv Год назад

    Man that was a lot on the one eye bolt when you were flipping it over. There are clinch marks on my couch cushion.

  • @lakehunter48p55
    @lakehunter48p55 Год назад

    it would be interesting to look thru microscope for scraping metal in blueing. Looks like a time consuming job, but now you know for sure- its flat. Gonna put a electric wench on gantry??

  • @Sizukun1
    @Sizukun1 Год назад +1

    I'm sure it'd be a specialized piece of equipment, but for spreading that much ink across such a large surface, would a small "paint sprayer" be better than the paint roller? One of those hobby sized air brushes just to spread it thin and faster than a roller.

  • @robertbamford8266
    @robertbamford8266 Год назад +2

    Must look like a football field to the scraper. Hard to believe only an hour - I can just about feel back and hip (and knees) complaining.

  • @charlessmyth
    @charlessmyth Год назад

    Not one to drop on your feet :-)