@@JohnThree-f8eyou don’t need actual timing. He literally just told you to focus on your animation. Shooting from muscle memory is gonna have you frustrated.
@@JohnThree-f8elook at your spot that greens and hit it every time. No matter how slow or fast the “timing” is. Your release point will still be where you push or jump or whatever you use
I love the title. The community jumps on anything negative. Like yup that’s clearly why I’m missing. Everyone misses because of two reasons. Moving green window or RNG. Nobody misses because of user error this year. You don’t have to look but you can literally find me saying this same thing months ago on your vid.
On the topic of shooting, can you test if Using the stick and letting go give the same green window boost as flicking the stick back up to get the tempo (rythm shooting) So rhythm shooting vs right stick they said using the stick give a boost and a bigger window but does that also count for holding the stick down and letting go? this would be major because im green with a low three when stopped using rhythm and it feels like a similar boost
i know it’s because they’re trying to lower to top 20% barley to combat cheaters. if they cared about cheaters there would be no shot meters in casual modes, they in events too, this completely exposes them. they’re aiming to help the bottom while reducing the top. lowering the slider an having morals would make the majority not be able to hit as much an they would cry an whine way more in they eyes. miss a couple easier to make, make a couple almost impossible to hit. they think this result pleases the majority when it just makes everyone mad once they realize their experience is controlled
They couldn't care less about "cheaters". Why would they care about less than 1% of the player base. That's the cover-up. The real reason is to make the game inconsistent enough so idiots keep paying for more builds thinking it will fix their gameplay.
Can they just turn the “Random Lag “ slider down in the game? There isn’t a person playing this game that enjoys the random lag factor. It also feels like this Random lag applies to everything in the game. Passing, catching, dribbling …etc
I love 2k25 but the latency and lack of pure green windows has made casual rec play so stressful. I went 10/11 the other day in the rec behind the arc (my best performance of the year) and the next game I was 1/7. It’s so, so frustrating. This happens
@ no, I expect to shoot 40-50% consistently. The problem is that too many games feel like I’m being punished for absolutely no reason on my rhythm shots. The game will just throw random ‘slightly fast’ penalties on a shot that was pure the game before and there’s *nothing* you can do about it.
So the truthful players are being penalized with this trash shooting system because of the cheaters, I feel like it is adding a problem on top a problem there should be another way to combat zens
so, they don't move the green window. instead they move the time in which the game registers a shot start versus the timing of our button presses. either way it still bs!
All 2k25 has to do to fix the general experience is to remove the moving green window, reintegrate the old meters, and make badges actually feel like they work. They have the formula they just refuse to use it for the sake of “groundbreaking gameplay”
Badge’s definitely work. Taking away moving greens bring back zens in abundance. I have a 83 3ball. I shoot almost 60 percent. Stop making excuses cause you suck
@ my man, chill. I have an 87 three and am shooting ~65% from three and am shooting 50% with 75 mid, there was no excuse in my statement at all 💀 purely from an executive standpoint: it makes total sense to revert these changes as it would improve gameplay and encourage more players to return to the already dwindling community improving overall sales and would fund for more changes mediated through community dev testing. Zens have always been a problem but there’s less immediate desire to get a zen if jumpers are already more consistent than now
swear this video was just to let you know that the green windows do not move but that the input lag changes. so if you go off visual cue, you’ll be able to green with the same timing.
2K26 needs to have 19 dribbling with 20 shot contest and 23 builder. This is the best case scenario for a good game. Haven't bought 24, refunded 25 and now thinking about skipping 26 already 😂
These random input lags is so whack because although I understand trying to combat cheaters and focus on your visual cue because even for us that aren't cheating it's easier to memorize your timing vs reacting to visual cues that have random input delays and can throw you off but oh well :)
Yeah that's been my experience. There is no "moving green window"...2K just throws in a delayed gather every few shots (just like how pull ups have a slower gather than catch and shoot), obviously to combat modded controllers. So unlike previous 2K's, you can't just rely on muscle memory of the shot button press anymore. You need to actually learn your shooting animation and release timing, and pay attention to it every shot...which makes it more skill based if anything
Which is fine by itself but idk why they design the game like that when they know there's lag. Been saying this for years but it's true now more than ever: they need to build the gameplay differently for each mode. Not sliders either. From the ground up.
@@michaelahurt You're right...this increased emphasis on shot timing means their servers also needed an upgrade. But it's the same garbage delayed POS as always. So the entire system breaks down, and people start looking for different ways to explain why shooting is inconsistent...since our latency fluctuates constantly (and conveniently we aren't even allowed to see our ping to the server)
The issue is though to add onto this, you can learn your actual shot timing for every spot on the court, and you still can miss even with perfect timing lmao. That's the issue.
I knew I wasn't crazy omg. The amount of times I would go 4/4 and suddenly I have no thumbs. I do think the timing though in online modes (Rec) the change is more noticeable in the 2nd half of it because I can have bad starts going 1/5 and end up making the next 5 or 6 with sticking to the cues.
@@GuyaenseMamba gladly. It was slower than every 2k since 2k15 first off. Not only was it slower, but they cut the seemless flow from one animation to another, so there was a lot you couldn't do in 2k24 that you can do in literally EVERY other 2k, like doing a hop-back jumper but faking the shot and speed-boosting out of it-- this is a real thing that actual basketball players do but 2k24 doesn't allow anything like that. Due to the elimination of creativity in ballhandling, everybody dribbled the same on 2k24, from the PGs to the PFs. Left/right cross; right/left tween, behind the back, shoot, or drive and kick. It's literally comedy at this point because that is all anybody on 2k24 does when they get the ball..... because that's all they can do in that game! 2k25 isn't perfect by any means but 2k has never released a legitimately ELITE basketball game (without BS). 16 was the last game everybody collectively seemed to love (I hated 17-19 personally) so yeah, 2k25 could be better but to act like 2k24 isn't the worst one released is hilarious. Go play 2k24 since you love it so much. You have another year before it's shut down. Enjoy that. I hated that game.
@@Saxandfifthsbro 2k18 and 2k25 are both on the same level of 💩 Then again every year we say 2k gets worse and the last 2k is better than the current. So I’m genuinely scared how the next 2k will play out
@Ehmilio lol I feel you, man but the Road To 99 era that 2k18 was a part of is far worse than 2k25. We are just getting bad RNG here and in need of performance improvements when it comes to consistency on 2k25. 2k18 was fundamentally set up for the no-lifers who could spend hours everyday on the game, not for the everyday person. And 2k25 would probably seem worse to me if I didn't think 2k24 is arguably the worst ever, just from gameplay. My friends can usually book me for a few games of 2k whenever I'm online but by the time we got to November of last year, they knew not to ask me to play 2k since it was 2k24. Literally hate that game more than anything so 2k25 is an improvement to me. 😂
@@theyprada3576 because everyone blames everything in this game on rng, when every sports game ever made relies on it. sport simulation literally is rng. its necessary. Shot type lag is the main problem with shooting in this game, which i hate. Input lag is just the reality we all have to deal with. Its not a server issue, but literally the fact that people are allowed to access psn with garbage internet. they would complain if they literally werent allowed on the servers, and as a result we all have to deal with it. I work for a top 100 game developer, and i hate when people dont describe the actual problem with the game. that gives 2k an easy out.
@@theyprada3576 he doesn’t know what RNG really is. He just thought it was a buzz word lol. He has no idea that it was exactly what is being described, which is “Random Numbers Generated”
Passing and dribble lags are the biggest problem. Most people I know have figured out how to shoot by now and how to pass through lanes. If you mix up your scoring you're more likely to avoid a miss. A lot of people complain about super lane steals but never use the full icon system and pass when they see someone open instead of passing them open. And god forbid someone slows the ball down on transition to avoid a turnover. That said, i do feel y'all when you're trying to throw an open pass in transition but it takes 10 years after you press pass so the defender gets their in time.
Topic: Big men shooting over smaller defenders. No hands up, hands up, jump on defense - what contest they get (like with 85 per. d). What height difference there should be for the shot to be considered Open. Test different heights.
Salute to Tutes for the detailed work instead of just throwing "RNG" around. 25 aint perfect, but is actually a good game, and a lot of people's issues are user error. Not a fan of the random delay, but I blame zens users
If you go to my court and shoot 50 different shots, notice almost all of them even spot up, your feet in your base are almost always different. It’s too realistic. I don’t think green windows move but they definitely shrink. Including the different base on almost every shot you gotta really be on point when you shoot.
I have always been a timing player. I only shot open shots. So honestly, my timing should never change. Still shooting around 50 to 55%. In 24 i was around 70%
I don’t think so. I tempo shot everything fades, hop steps etc. and I still get the lag differentials often. It’s just a matter of learning the timings. In my opinion it widens the skill gap which is what I personally prefer.
This green moving window and the the input lag took me out I’m done with trying ,glad I only spent money on one build and I’m sticking with it for the rest of the game i dont care they not getting no more money from me
Setup an Ethernet Cable, then: 1. Set point release cue 2. High Risk / Reward 3. No Shot Meter (Invisible) 4. Use Rhythm Shooting especially for standstill jumpshots Enjoy your shooting consistency! I recommend set point & Rhythm shooting because when you flick up to release, the timing is perfect with the flick of your wrist.
2k put this in the game to make the best players suffer. 2k hates anyone who self claim they comp, if they wanted to combat cheaters then there wouldn’t be a shot meter in any game mode.the low wp npcs complained abt the 1% of players n now look what it got us. A heavy rng game
All that 2K has to do is show the green window in the shop meter like we used to have the 2K 24 and use that till we get used to it then turn the meter off but they changed it to the arrow in that stupid ring and we can't get it straight
5:28 the concerning part is the fact he removes his finger before it actually hits that green window. Don’t get me wrong i’ve known about it since it’s the same with dunk meter but actually seeing it from an outside perspective is concerning.
I can count on one hand how many zen players I ran into on 24 the whole shooting category shouldn’t suffer everyone shouldn’t be punished because 2k decided to do cross play with Xbox.
I literally played against someone w a zen in the theater and no matter what contest we got on him if we ain’t block his shot it went in 😭bro shot 7/7 on yellows and reds 😭
That’s the thing there’s a random input lag and shot type lag, it’s horrible! Not just because we have to deal with that, we also have to deal with server lag. Let’s be honest connectivity has fluctuation no matter how fast your internet is. it could be 1GB per second in one moment and have 900 per second in another moment and 1.1GB per second in another. You always preach about visual cue but when you do these tests you take out the biggest variable/factor that makes players miss, and that’s connecting to a server.
Tutes make a basketball game, NBA Tutes. I have a feeling after this years game a lot of people will not returning to 2k next year, by far the worst 2k ever made.
All 2k has to do is bring back not missing wide open. Especially if you have a 92+ 3pt rating. I realize I'm in the minority but I actually like the new dribble engine for the most part. I wish we had some more explosive moves like the Jamal Murray btb from last year or LeBron James step back. But for the most part it's cool. Only problem is what's the point of shaking your opponent if you're just going to miss a WIDE OPEN shot. ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY when you have a really high 3pt rating. The badges seem like they don't even work especially the dumb legend badges. I got 1 build with a 99 3pt rating and it's the worst build I have for shooting. My 95 3pt rating build is so much better at shooting. Same jump shot w all and the legend build sucks. That needs fixed. To summarize, - Missing open shots - badges feel useless - need a speed gap and bigger courts There's no reason a 94 speed build should be getting ran down by a center w 58 speed. I have 94 Spd w/ ball and can't get away from a 7'0 footer. Do better 2K
I've had a 90%+ win rate in Park and Rec since 15... besides 2k18 when I had like 86%.. this year..70%.....70? I'm shooting 57% from 3 with an 80 three-point rating. I know I'm shooting better than most, but this is well below what I'm used to. I'm struggling so badly, and I hate when my team makes the right plays and passes and misses good shots, and on defense, the other team makes a white.
At this point let the cheaters live...because its hurting the normal people. There's always going to be cheating. It doesn't matter. As long as technology exists. There's cheating in every game. Dont hurt the community for the 5% that cheat.
Tutes I would believe that they did this to combat the zens, but that wouldn’t make sense due to the fact that you can use zens in park/rec and starting five!! It’s clear that Mike wants the three-point percentage down in the 40’s!! ( IF they really wanna combat the zens then in multiplayer no shot meter period)
I mean I get the game isn’t the most realistic in many other aspects but I mean steph curry shoots 42% from 3 so I thinking having a bit of rng to nerf players isn’t the worst thing
this game is literally dirt fym, the game forces you to miss in the most obvious ways possible. idc how hard you stare at your shooting hand the game is going to force you to shoot around 40-60%
Tutes they said there's gonna be a patch, do you see them fixing the shooting in any way? For example, by toning down the rng like you said previously or buffing it?
Hot take: if 2k25 just fixed the delay this year it would be a top 3 2k. The gameplay could be fun but the delay makes it almost impossible to hit difficult shots, go-to shots, use dribble combos, and play defense. There’s a lot of cool stuff in this game but it’s just lost in the delay.
I disagree. I rhythm shoot fades, hop steps and go-to shots all day in all game modes. It’s just a matter of mastering the timings and “delays”. 2k widened the skill gap and now decent players are mad that they cant shoot like very skilled players. In terms of gameplay, i see every guard using the same garland speed boost running across the court like every other 2k so they need to work on that.
@ I have 4 builds with wildly different timings on all types of shots. There is no world where I have the time to learn all 4 builds perfectly. Any offline mode messes with muscle memory, and using the mycourt with no delay isn’t even practice because the delay is different. If you’re not lying you make up less than 1% of the player base. That’s not how a skill gap is supposed to look it’s just bad design.
All of these BS garbage factors in shooting, all because 2K is too cheap and lazy to invest into an Anti-Cheat to stop cheaters. Punish the entire community for 20% cheaters, instead punishing the cheaters and letting the fair players enjoy their experience.
Thanks for your videos!!! Does height change your jumpshot (release or speed)? I changed from a 6'5" to a 6'8" build with the same exact jumpshot. It just seems different timing wise.
Well well well. Look at this. I said this a month ago on another tutes vid. I got called trash casual and everything under the sun. I said the shot doesn’t change so if you watch your animation you would green more. The shot will speed up or slow down based on the type of shot but your release spot never changes. They were like nah 2k trash and gives us a moving green window. I wish I could find the vid and tag all those guys in this one. Told yall to stop blaming the game. It’s user error. It’s a reason I can shoot with a 62 3 ball. Has the same jumper(because of my middy) as my 93 3 ball. I green just as many because I know my animations.
Hi, I have a 6’10 and don’t have giannis’s dunk package, is it really that good or can I find a equally as good dunk package alternative. I seen that it’s a decent package but not a must, best dunks for 75 driving and 72 standing dunk at 6’10
No every wants to change how they shoot. Good for yall that have mastered it , what abt the button shooters . Gotta think about the ENTIRE community not just a select few that are game freaks and don’t get off. Give us 2k24 shooting and fix the gameplay in general…nobody will complain this much
Man 2k tues and 2k labs did all these test when the game first came out. All these so called test. They created the narrative of rng and moving green window. Now months later it’s counter experiments saying the opposite after the damage is done? With all due respect this is why I said months ago to take these findings with a grain of salt. The science is questionable
@ what about the narrative of rng? And I said Tutes and 2k labs. The point is you guys ran these test. Published them and although the goal in science is to never “have the answers”, the narrative was created and guys who didn’t even understand the results and findings have been pushing this narrative since September. And agajn. I said RNG and moving green window.
"Moving Green Window" is kind of a valid term as well. When timing your shot, input lag is really factored in so in some way you can say it will "move" green windows. I just think "Changing Input Lags" is more valid and more robust term.
From google : "RNG stands for Random Number Generator, which typically refers to a coding technique used in video games that helps keep a player's gaming experience fresh and unpredictable".
FINALLY proof there is no “moving green window”. I’ve been so tired of people complaining about this BS rumor that circulated on Twitter the first week the game released. People can’t take the time to learn their visual cue - is it really that hard?
Happy Holidays guys!
Can you do these tests in the park or rec to get the actual timing?
@@JohnThree-f8eyou don’t need actual timing. He literally just told you to focus on your animation. Shooting from muscle memory is gonna have you frustrated.
@@JohnThree-f8elook at your spot that greens and hit it every time. No matter how slow or fast the “timing” is. Your release point will still be where you push or jump or whatever you use
I love the title. The community jumps on anything negative. Like yup that’s clearly why I’m missing. Everyone misses because of two reasons. Moving green window or RNG. Nobody misses because of user error this year. You don’t have to look but you can literally find me saying this same thing months ago on your vid.
On the topic of shooting, can you test if Using the stick and letting go give the same green window boost as flicking the stick back up to get the tempo (rythm shooting)
So rhythm shooting vs right stick
they said using the stick give a boost and a bigger window but does that also count for holding the stick down and letting go?
this would be major because im green with a low three when stopped using rhythm and it feels like a similar boost
i know it’s because they’re trying to lower to top 20% barley to combat cheaters. if they cared about cheaters there would be no shot meters in casual modes, they in events too, this completely exposes them. they’re aiming to help the bottom while reducing the top. lowering the slider an having morals would make the majority not be able to hit as much an they would cry an whine way more in they eyes. miss a couple easier to make, make a couple almost impossible to hit. they think this result pleases the majority when it just makes everyone mad once they realize their experience is controlled
No it only makes the neurodivergent players who hyperfixate on their interests. Most players won’t know the difference between 2k17 and 2k25
U always complaining dude stfu
@@letsgobrandon1906well said brother
@@letsgobrandon1906What? lol. What players can’t tell the difference between 17 or 25? What do you guys type… lol
I would rather just deal with the cheaters. 2k shouldn’t revolve shooting around cheaters.
They couldn't care less about "cheaters". Why would they care about less than 1% of the player base. That's the cover-up. The real reason is to make the game inconsistent enough so idiots keep paying for more builds thinking it will fix their gameplay.
@@bickleyjonas6145bingo
Gotta keep the bums engaged lol
@@bickleyjonas6145 No. It was to decrease 3pt percentage to more realistic numbers.
Right? Just make the contest system SUPER good like in 20 or 21 current (was decent) contest system is shit in these newer games
idk bout yall but on pc side it looks like A LOT of cheaters are gone...
Can they just turn the “Random Lag “ slider down in the game? There isn’t a person playing this game that enjoys the random lag factor. It also feels like this Random lag applies to everything in the game. Passing, catching, dribbling …etc
I love 2k25 but the latency and lack of pure green windows has made casual rec play so stressful.
I went 10/11 the other day in the rec behind the arc (my best performance of the year) and the next game I was 1/7.
It’s so, so frustrating.
This happens
do you expect to go 10/11 every game?
@ no, I expect to shoot 40-50% consistently.
The problem is that too many games feel like I’m being punished for absolutely no reason on my rhythm shots. The game will just throw random ‘slightly fast’ penalties on a shot that was pure the game before and there’s *nothing* you can do about it.
So the truthful players are being penalized with this trash shooting system because of the cheaters, I feel like it is adding a problem on top a problem there should be another way to combat zens
Tf you mean you love 2K25 ts is assssss
What do you mean? 😂 Bro I been shooting 65%+ from 3 since 2k15 YES I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOOT OPEN SHOTS CONSISTENTLY!!! @@vincetoms
so, they don't move the green window. instead they move the time in which the game registers a shot start versus the timing of our button presses. either way it still bs!
😂😂 like wdf are u saying shit still garbage
@@darealest6399basically you could never perfect your shot because the game is constantly changing the timing of a jumpshot 😂
@88pts atp they just keep explaining the issue instead of fixing it lmao
@@darealest6399?? They want it like that dumbass, it’s not a issue to him
@@88ptsLol, he watched the video & still needed a summary 😂
All 2k25 has to do to fix the general experience is to remove the moving green window, reintegrate the old meters, and make badges actually feel like they work. They have the formula they just refuse to use it for the sake of “groundbreaking gameplay”
Badge’s definitely work. Taking away moving greens bring back zens in abundance. I have a 83 3ball. I shoot almost 60 percent. Stop making excuses cause you suck
@@BrandonBadgettthey gon cheat regardless
@ my man, chill. I have an 87 three and am shooting ~65% from three and am shooting 50% with 75 mid, there was no excuse in my statement at all 💀 purely from an executive standpoint: it makes total sense to revert these changes as it would improve gameplay and encourage more players to return to the already dwindling community improving overall sales and would fund for more changes mediated through community dev testing. Zens have always been a problem but there’s less immediate desire to get a zen if jumpers are already more consistent than now
There is no moving green window - watch the video. Learn your visual cue it’s as simple as that, I shoot 65% with 78 3pt
swear this video was just to let you know that the green windows do not move but that the input lag changes. so if you go off visual cue, you’ll be able to green with the same timing.
2k25 is a well-programmed video game: DEBUNKED!
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A?:h to a
But it was intended to block hacks.
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2K26 needs to have 19 dribbling with 20 shot contest and 23 builder. This is the best case scenario for a good game. Haven't bought 24, refunded 25 and now thinking about skipping 26 already 😂
These random input lags is so whack because although I understand trying to combat cheaters and focus on your visual cue because even for us that aren't cheating it's easier to memorize your timing vs reacting to visual cues that have random input delays and can throw you off but oh well :)
Yeah that's been my experience. There is no "moving green window"...2K just throws in a delayed gather every few shots (just like how pull ups have a slower gather than catch and shoot), obviously to combat modded controllers.
So unlike previous 2K's, you can't just rely on muscle memory of the shot button press anymore. You need to actually learn your shooting animation and release timing, and pay attention to it every shot...which makes it more skill based if anything
Nah deadass i try telling people you got 3 jumpers for everyshot ones normal ones faster and ones a slow gather
Which is fine by itself but idk why they design the game like that when they know there's lag.
Been saying this for years but it's true now more than ever: they need to build the gameplay differently for each mode. Not sliders either. From the ground up.
@@michaelahurt You're right...this increased emphasis on shot timing means their servers also needed an upgrade. But it's the same garbage delayed POS as always. So the entire system breaks down, and people start looking for different ways to explain why shooting is inconsistent...since our latency fluctuates constantly (and conveniently we aren't even allowed to see our ping to the server)
The issue is though to add onto this, you can learn your actual shot timing for every spot on the court, and you still can miss even with perfect timing lmao. That's the issue.
@ thats exactly where I’m at right now lol🤦♂️ some times I’ll definitely say i missed timed it but it’s kind hard when takeover speeds up ur jump😂
I knew I wasn't crazy omg. The amount of times I would go 4/4 and suddenly I have no thumbs. I do think the timing though in online modes (Rec) the change is more noticeable in the 2nd half of it because I can have bad starts going 1/5 and end up making the next 5 or 6 with sticking to the cues.
Such a well put together video!!! Yessss perfect explanation 💯 keep making these!
2K24 was horrible, but 2K25 is an abomination
24 wasn’t bad people need to wake up and stop crying
What made it bad? Please explain
@@GuyaenseMambahe suck at the game that’s all
@@GuyaenseMamba gladly.
It was slower than every 2k since 2k15 first off.
Not only was it slower, but they cut the seemless flow from one animation to another, so there was a lot you couldn't do in 2k24 that you can do in literally EVERY other 2k, like doing a hop-back jumper but faking the shot and speed-boosting out of it-- this is a real thing that actual basketball players do but 2k24 doesn't allow anything like that.
Due to the elimination of creativity in ballhandling, everybody dribbled the same on 2k24, from the PGs to the PFs. Left/right cross; right/left tween, behind the back, shoot, or drive and kick. It's literally comedy at this point because that is all anybody on 2k24 does when they get the ball..... because that's all they can do in that game!
2k25 isn't perfect by any means but 2k has never released a legitimately ELITE basketball game (without BS). 16 was the last game everybody collectively seemed to love (I hated 17-19 personally) so yeah, 2k25 could be better but to act like 2k24 isn't the worst one released is hilarious.
Go play 2k24 since you love it so much. You have another year before it's shut down. Enjoy that. I hated that game.
@@Saxandfifthsbro 2k18 and 2k25 are both on the same level of 💩
Then again every year we say 2k gets worse and the last 2k is better than the current. So I’m genuinely scared how the next 2k will play out
@Ehmilio lol I feel you, man but the Road To 99 era that 2k18 was a part of is far worse than 2k25. We are just getting bad RNG here and in need of performance improvements when it comes to consistency on 2k25. 2k18 was fundamentally set up for the no-lifers who could spend hours everyday on the game, not for the everyday person.
And 2k25 would probably seem worse to me if I didn't think 2k24 is arguably the worst ever, just from gameplay. My friends can usually book me for a few games of 2k whenever I'm online but by the time we got to November of last year, they knew not to ask me to play 2k since it was 2k24. Literally hate that game more than anything so 2k25 is an improvement to me. 😂
Swan debunked this if the were trying to combat cheaters they would remove the shot meter. Its there to make the better players miss
“Random input lag” just say RNG 😂
Happy holidays 🫡
RNG is a buzzword that doesnt mean anything without context. hes correct in how he describes it.
@@adrew22 how is random numbers generated a buzz word??
@@theyprada3576 because everyone blames everything in this game on rng, when every sports game ever made relies on it. sport simulation literally is rng. its necessary. Shot type lag is the main problem with shooting in this game, which i hate. Input lag is just the reality we all have to deal with. Its not a server issue, but literally the fact that people are allowed to access psn with garbage internet. they would complain if they literally werent allowed on the servers, and as a result we all have to deal with it. I work for a top 100 game developer, and i hate when people dont describe the actual problem with the game. that gives 2k an easy out.
@@theyprada3576 he doesn’t know what RNG really is. He just thought it was a buzz word lol.
He has no idea that it was exactly what is being described, which is “Random Numbers Generated”
@@solarpoweredafricanvegansp178 input lag is not rng lil bro. its not a hard concept, its literally described in the video.
Passing and dribble lags are the biggest problem. Most people I know have figured out how to shoot by now and how to pass through lanes. If you mix up your scoring you're more likely to avoid a miss. A lot of people complain about super lane steals but never use the full icon system and pass when they see someone open instead of passing them open. And god forbid someone slows the ball down on transition to avoid a turnover. That said, i do feel y'all when you're trying to throw an open pass in transition but it takes 10 years after you press pass so the defender gets their in time.
Topic: Big men shooting over smaller defenders. No hands up, hands up, jump on defense - what contest they get (like with 85 per. d). What height difference there should be for the shot to be considered Open. Test different heights.
Salute to Tutes for the detailed work instead of just throwing "RNG" around. 25 aint perfect, but is actually a good game, and a lot of people's issues are user error. Not a fan of the random delay, but I blame zens users
This is the best explaination that you could provide. Great job bro.
Thanks for the appreciation! Merry Christmas my friend
Merry Christmas TUTES!
If you go to my court and shoot 50 different shots, notice almost all of them even spot up, your feet in your base are almost always different. It’s too realistic.
I don’t think green windows move but they definitely shrink. Including the different base on almost every shot you gotta really be on point when you shoot.
Happy holidays , great video👍💪
I have always been a timing player. I only shot open shots. So honestly, my timing should never change. Still shooting around 50 to 55%. In 24 i was around 70%
There’s a tempo shot script which kind of ignores this, I would argue it’s better than the 2k24 scripts
I don’t think so. I tempo shot everything fades, hop steps etc. and I still get the lag differentials often. It’s just a matter of learning the timings. In my opinion it widens the skill gap which is what I personally prefer.
This green moving window and the the input lag took me out I’m done with trying ,glad I only spent money on one build and I’m sticking with it for the rest of the game i dont care they not getting no more money from me
Setup an Ethernet Cable, then:
1. Set point release cue
2. High Risk / Reward
3. No Shot Meter (Invisible)
4. Use Rhythm Shooting especially for standstill jumpshots
Enjoy your shooting consistency! I recommend set point & Rhythm shooting because when you flick up to release, the timing is perfect with the flick of your wrist.
Having the controller connected to a cable also help? I can't remember if tutes did a video about it
I’ve been told release cue has nothing to do with Rhythm shooting
Fyi, rhythm shooting is always set point. Your shot profile will be for non rhythm.
2k put this in the game to make the best players suffer. 2k hates anyone who self claim they comp, if they wanted to combat cheaters then there wouldn’t be a shot meter in any game mode.the low wp npcs complained abt the 1% of players n now look what it got us. A heavy rng game
Can u explain visual cue I never understand how we can pick it exactly but they never show us the specific point
it depends what you plan on release push etc
Will you be doing another Rhythm shooting boost video to see if its same or decreased and if so by how much?
I haven't done any rhythm shooting boost video though..
2kdb has a green window shot chart that confirmed the milliseconds would change after each green
All that 2K has to do is show the green window in the shop meter like we used to have the 2K 24 and use that till we get used to it then turn the meter off but they changed it to the arrow in that stupid ring and we can't get it straight
Some kids are gonna watch this whole video & still be ass in 2k 😭
5:28 the concerning part is the fact he removes his finger before it actually hits that green window. Don’t get me wrong i’ve known about it since it’s the same with dunk meter but actually seeing it from an outside perspective is concerning.
I can count on one hand how many zen players I ran into on 24 the whole shooting category shouldn’t suffer everyone shouldn’t be punished because 2k decided to do cross play with Xbox.
I literally played against someone w a zen in the theater and no matter what contest we got on him if we ain’t block his shot it went in 😭bro shot 7/7 on yellows and reds 😭
That’s the thing there’s a random input lag and shot type lag, it’s horrible! Not just because we have to deal with that, we also have to deal with server lag. Let’s be honest connectivity has fluctuation no matter how fast your internet is. it could be 1GB per second in one moment and have 900 per second in another moment and 1.1GB per second in another. You always preach about visual cue but when you do these tests you take out the biggest variable/factor that makes players miss, and that’s connecting to a server.
Tutes u need to do some sort of testing from online games you played… wins vs losses. Compare animations/etc & %s
You need to dive more into momentum
Tutes make a basketball game, NBA Tutes. I have a feeling after this years game a lot of people will not returning to 2k next year, by far the worst 2k ever made.
All 2k has to do is bring back not missing wide open. Especially if you have a 92+ 3pt rating. I realize I'm in the minority but I actually like the new dribble engine for the most part. I wish we had some more explosive moves like the Jamal Murray btb from last year or LeBron James step back. But for the most part it's cool. Only problem is what's the point of shaking your opponent if you're just going to miss a WIDE OPEN shot. ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY when you have a really high 3pt rating. The badges seem like they don't even work especially the dumb legend badges. I got 1 build with a 99 3pt rating and it's the worst build I have for shooting. My 95 3pt rating build is so much better at shooting. Same jump shot w all and the legend build sucks. That needs fixed. To summarize,
- Missing open shots
- badges feel useless
- need a speed gap and bigger courts
There's no reason a 94 speed build should be getting ran down by a center w 58 speed. I have 94 Spd w/ ball and can't get away from a 7'0 footer.
Do better 2K
They did that to steals too when they patched it I noticed after the patch it was a lag that they implemented
Why can't the devs just do something like if someone is making way over the average they get banned instead of the randomness
A lot of people hate change..so they will hate 2k every year because they can’t adjust
I've had a 90%+ win rate in Park and Rec since 15... besides 2k18 when I had like 86%.. this year..70%.....70? I'm shooting 57% from 3 with an 80 three-point rating. I know I'm shooting better than most, but this is well below what I'm used to. I'm struggling so badly, and I hate when my team makes the right plays and passes and misses good shots, and on defense, the other team makes a white.
At this point let the cheaters live...because its hurting the normal people. There's always going to be cheating. It doesn't matter. As long as technology exists. There's cheating in every game. Dont hurt the community for the 5% that cheat.
But it separates the skilled players. If you actually practiced and mastered these different timings you’d understand.
In 2k a lot more than 5% cheat my guy
Tutes I would believe that they did this to combat the zens, but that wouldn’t make sense due to the fact that you can use zens in park/rec and starting five!! It’s clear that Mike wants the three-point percentage down in the 40’s!! ( IF they really wanna combat the zens then in multiplayer no shot meter period)
As mentioned on the video if they just want to control 3pt % they can just easily lower the 3pt slider on their end
I'm still confused 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I sugggest to watch the video again, this time without skipping parts
All this because of cheaters 🤢 way to ruin the game bums smh
I mean I get the game isn’t the most realistic in many other aspects but I mean steph curry shoots 42% from 3 so I thinking having a bit of rng to nerf players isn’t the worst thing
rng literally just makes good players worse to allow people who aren't good to feel better and spend more money
Nice work
2k25 is a putrid, rotten, stinky game.
No matter what u say there’s RNG your testing in black top lol
YOU LOOK AT YOUR SHOOTING HAND!! THE MECHANICS ARE ACTUALLY GREAT AF IN THIS GAME
this game is literally dirt fym, the game forces you to miss in the most obvious ways possible. idc how hard you stare at your shooting hand the game is going to force you to shoot around 40-60%
Merry Christmas
I decided to only do lay ups, now I'm missing lay ups😅
Bruh the Zens are still overpowered and even if they do miss it’s a free rebound. Games ass
Great info and factual!
All of the "cheaters" have proved this wrong.
Smh this is outlandish
Just say you cant shoot well 😂
Tutes they said there's gonna be a patch, do you see them fixing the shooting in any way? For example, by toning down the rng like you said previously or buffing it?
So we are being punished for cheaters😂😂😂😂😢❤
Hot take: if 2k25 just fixed the delay this year it would be a top 3 2k. The gameplay could be fun but the delay makes it almost impossible to hit difficult shots, go-to shots, use dribble combos, and play defense. There’s a lot of cool stuff in this game but it’s just lost in the delay.
I disagree. I rhythm shoot fades, hop steps and go-to shots all day in all game modes. It’s just a matter of mastering the timings and “delays”. 2k widened the skill gap and now decent players are mad that they cant shoot like very skilled players. In terms of gameplay, i see every guard using the same garland speed boost running across the court like every other 2k so they need to work on that.
@ I have 4 builds with wildly different timings on all types of shots. There is no world where I have the time to learn all 4 builds perfectly. Any offline mode messes with muscle memory, and using the mycourt with no delay isn’t even practice because the delay is different. If you’re not lying you make up less than 1% of the player base. That’s not how a skill gap is supposed to look it’s just bad design.
All of these BS garbage factors in shooting, all because 2K is too cheap and lazy to invest into an Anti-Cheat to stop cheaters.
Punish the entire community for 20% cheaters, instead punishing the cheaters and letting the fair players enjoy their experience.
Thanks for your videos!!! Does height change your jumpshot (release or speed)? I changed from a 6'5" to a 6'8" build with the same exact jumpshot. It just seems different timing wise.
Well well well. Look at this. I said this a month ago on another tutes vid. I got called trash casual and everything under the sun. I said the shot doesn’t change so if you watch your animation you would green more. The shot will speed up or slow down based on the type of shot but your release spot never changes. They were like nah 2k trash and gives us a moving green window. I wish I could find the vid and tag all those guys in this one. Told yall to stop blaming the game. It’s user error. It’s a reason I can shoot with a 62 3 ball. Has the same jumper(because of my middy) as my 93 3 ball. I green just as many because I know my animations.
Hi, I have a 6’10 and don’t have giannis’s dunk package, is it really that good or can I find a equally as good dunk package alternative. I seen that it’s a decent package but not a must, best dunks for 75 driving and 72 standing dunk at 6’10
Yo please do a tutorial on devin layip package especially his floaters. Kevin cruz already post it i want some one else to find a another way
Maaaaan what about the games you cant hit a thing...were the green window is gone lol
they should remove button shooting
This is also why Mike Wang strongly recommended Rhythm Shooting. Forces you to focus more on animation cue as opposed to solely muscle memory.
No every wants to change how they shoot. Good for yall that have mastered it , what abt the button shooters . Gotta think about the ENTIRE community not just a select few that are game freaks and don’t get off. Give us 2k24 shooting and fix the gameplay in general…nobody will complain this much
which is dumb, shooting with the button has been a thing since the first 2k - changing it up did nothing but cause problems
Anyone have a jumper for 7ft 87 3ball? Or at least the best release 1 & 2
Man 2k tues and 2k labs did all these test when the game first came out. All these so called test. They created the narrative of rng and moving green window. Now months later it’s counter experiments saying the opposite after the damage is done? With all due respect this is why I said months ago to take these findings with a grain of salt. The science is questionable
this is my first time to test for moving green window. Think first before commenting, you might mislead some people because of your comment
@ what about the narrative of rng? And I said Tutes and 2k labs. The point is you guys ran these test. Published them and although the goal in science is to never “have the answers”, the narrative was created and guys who didn’t even understand the results and findings have been pushing this narrative since September. And agajn. I said RNG and moving green window.
@@killaB215 this is my only video about green window and the only time i talked about rng is just this week. You are wrong with your original post.
Now i ask who spread the lies about RNG and moving green windows. They got the 2k community sounding like bots.
"Moving Green Window" is kind of a valid term as well. When timing your shot, input lag is really factored in so in some way you can say it will "move" green windows. I just think "Changing Input Lags" is more valid and more robust term.
Stupid mf thought 2kTutes would agree with him😂😂😂😂
Who else think current gen 2k25 is smoother(better) than next gen
Haven’t played it is it actually good
@@cartiaekreactsno, its basically 24 with the demigods
@@cartiaekreacts compared to next gen 💯 but yea you can lowkey make a Demigod I be having fun on there the randoms in the rec smooth too
U have to do all this just to shoot 😢
What’s rng?
From google : "RNG stands for Random Number Generator, which typically refers to a coding technique used in video games that helps keep a player's gaming experience fresh and unpredictable".
FINALLY proof there is no “moving green window”. I’ve been so tired of people complaining about this BS rumor that circulated on Twitter the first week the game released. People can’t take the time to learn their visual cue - is it really that hard?
your game is a joke @nba2k
2k25 is amazing. Y’all just ssa
Yes hero every no life pro player on the game is bad and you're the best lmfao.
Couple the various input lags with the random load up shot animations and there you have it… 2k’s cheater combat system! Best 2k ever! 🥴
Merry crihmy
2k is done hop on marvel rivals I need teammates
All the sill issue people commenting 😂
Moving green windows arent a thing. You just have to contend with a mix of shitty and good connections on bad servers
This game is bad bruh lol they do too much and leave too much mystery...money too precious now to waste...this game is ass
Some kids are gonna watch this whole video & still be ass in 2k 😭