This originally aired on TV in 2007. I have seen it a few different times on You tube and other video upload sites. I am glad that there are more 'repeats' than 'new' episodes. Less new episodes means less planes crashing and less people dying.
Poor People Going Through Surreal Inhumane Psychological Terror Trapped and Waiting For That "Moment" They Smash into The Water/Ground and Perish....Unfathomable
24:00 The situation raises several questions about the career trajectory and choices of a highly experienced pilot. Generally, one would expect a pilot with a significant level of skill and experience to be in demand by major airlines, which offer not only better financial compensation but also more prestigious routes. These airlines also tend to have more robust safety protocols and better resources for their staff, contributing to a more desirable and secure working environment. Why is this experienced pilot working for a 2 plain "Fly by night" airline?
What country was Egypt at war with? That will tell you why he couldn't work for a major airline. He was probably blacklisted. You cannot even criticize Israel as a nation, let alone be at war with it and not suffer financially. Just look at what's happening today. America is passing laws that will criminalize criticism of a foreign nation, Israel. What a joke. 😂
These investigators Gove me great confidence in flying. They literally go everything they can. It's inspiring to see. NTSB should be proud of what they do. As an American I've very proud of our aviation system.
@@markmckinney1924 ...beautifull minds indeed. but political. most won't public advise that children are not for risk in air or highway. so, the big business scalp of children and by parents that place their children at risk, persist. and be sure, more children will perish for human vanities, risk and choices. dl
@markmckinney1924: Don't you think that it would be better if we never get to see these investigators. The [passengers] would be much better off if, they never get to need them at all. You get my idea, right? After all, if they were very aware of the amazing work that they do very aware of the amazing work that they do, I hope that soon enough, Quantum computers will take the plane, out of The Humans when something goes crazy and human pilots can't figure out what's the problem, Fear no more here comes the Almighty Quantum COMP. , once, the problem is under control, Then the real pilots will take over
Yeah, whats sad is in my opinion, we can't just blame just the captain. The co-pilot and and 3rd guy should've said something to the capitan much earlier instead of being too scared.
Have you as a child been bullied and know what's it like or as eith ne kniw being in what I brlieve is harassment bullying by people in area you live prople never listen to innocent one but are intimidated by grouos of peopke I have and am there now
Yeah but if you come from an authorotarean culture, and the disoreintated guy in control is a war hero,General etc ,etc you are intimidated by that! You are afraid to speak up frankly!
I watched two other videos recently, that had to do with crashes in the USA in the early 2000's. Problem was found to be a rudder issue, and a malfunction of that circuitry, which was later revised. The planes involved would bank to the opposite side when rudder was engaged. In watching this video, the movements of the plane and inability to control it, plane banking severely, then diving into a catastrophic crash looks exactly like these other two scenarios.
The moment @ 3:05 when I heard 'A former officer in the Egyptian Air Force' I knew what the problem was going to be. In these kinds of very hierarchical societies , this equates to the captain being infallible and the rest of the crew being too scared to tell him when he is wrong
It is never one problem. Trying to place blame on only one aspect means other people have too much pride, don't believe they can do anything wrong, and are covering their a...s. There was something wrong with the plane, something wrong with the crew including the pilots, something wrong with maintenance, and something wrong with the airline. It costs too much to retrieve the airplane from the bottom of the sea, but it costs more to leave it there. The answer is buried in what they didn't care to know.
As the narrator said most of the plane is buried in the red sea. Unless Egypt has the money to get equipment to retrieve the remains of 604 we might never know what was 110% the real cause. R.I.P.
Exactly. Usually, you want to know what's wrong with your plane so you can avoid the mistake. But in this case, they want to take the easy route and put the blame on humans hence why they never bothered to retrieve the wreckage.
It baffles me how this captain responded to vertigo. It doesn't matter if you have training on disorientation or not, if you have no visuals, you are flying IFR, your eyes as the PIC should be on the instruments ONLY in these conditions, you should not be looking around for visual references and trying to fly VFR. How this captain had 7000+ hours and did not understand this vitial, basic rule in IFR conditions is beyond me. God rest his, the crew, and all the pax on board, but this was an inexcusable accident. This is a B737-300, this aircraft has THREE attitude indicators, the captain should have had his eyes glued to his own, and, if he believed it to be innacurate, cross-checked with the secondary, and his F/O's.
I've watched so many of these "Mayday" movies. They either blame the pilot, find mechanical errors or its due to poor weather conditions. I dont think this was about the pilot or crew. The Egyptian government wants to save face. The airline company was all about profits & could've cared less about properly maintaining their airline. Such a tragedy.
I feel so terrible for all involved. I couldn’t imaging how The first officer who was brand new was feeling tryna tell his much more experience captain he’s doing something wrong. That would be so tense. If I was a captain In a plane the first thing I’d say to my copilot is “if you see something I don’t, take control to save the plane and don’t worry about rank, let’s get home safe and not crash with regret”
I never experienced disorientation until recently on a flight where I work up and thought we were banking a hard right until I leveled out and realized we were already level. Can’t imagine such a feeling when behind actual controls.
I think the actor portrayed The Captain did a great job. He seems totally reliable at the beginning, but then vertigo took over and it's all creepy afterwards.
He didn't look at the artificial horizon???? When there's no visual reference, how can a pilot POSSIBLY not use artificial horizon (and other instruments) to counteract any vertigo.
I always wish there were more airplane manufacturers. I feel like the 2 company monopoly causes many in the airline industry to feel uncomfortable criticizing the planes, even in the event of poor maintenance.
There are a lot more than 2 worldwide. Comac builds jet liners in China and UAC builds them in Russia. Plus, there used to be 2 main ones here in the states. McDonnell Douglas and Boeing plus Airbus in Europe. There was still just as many crashes back in the 50s when there was several companies. Here in the States so much goes into the design and they have great simulators to see how new designs will function in the real world. Before a new jet liner becomes available for sale it goes through very rigorous testing. Where they push the jet much harder than they are designed for. Almost all plane crashes are due to 2 causes. Pilot error or poor maintenance. It's shocking how many crashes could have been avoided had maintenance crews followed prescribed instructions for maintaining and repairing aircraft. Like the plane that had the captains window blow out and took the captain with it. Only other crew members holding onto his legs kept him from attempting to flap his arms to avoid meeting the ground sooner than expected 17000 ft in the air. That was due to a mechanic replacing the window with screws he thought were correct. If he had followed correct procedures he would have looked in the manual and known he was using the wrong bolts. Crashes due to manufacturer issues are usually found pretty quickly and the planes get grounded until that issue is resolved. Boeing just had a problem like that a few years ago with their Max jet. Plus, jet engines are not manufactured by Boeing or Airbus. I know GE manufactures most of Boeings engines and Rolls-Royce makes them for Airbus. Plus when it comes to propeller driven planes there are numerous manufacturers around the world.
The competition between more manufacturers would definitely lead to shortcuts in safety and more people dying. It’s the maintenance that is the issue and as they say, in certain cultures it is deeply shameful to question a veteran pilot…the same issue occurs in Asian cultures. The first officer drew the captain’s attention to the problem but the latter was confused due to vertigo.
@@robertschumann7737Unless it is a 737 Max, which all of the testing was manipulated and no pilots were trained or even told about the new flawed system.
I had a friend, a Russian citizen, who was on vacation at that Resort at that time. I was unsure when she was returning to Russia and I thought she might have been on this flight. Initially, the news said that there was one Russian citizen on the manifest. She wasn't on it, which was a relief, but she had a different problem. While at the Beach Resort she was hit by a ski boat, which broke her left leg in five places. She spent almost the whole next year and a half in a Russian Hospital healing and regrowing the bone (with the use of a device created by a Russian doctor). She said that the Egyptian doctors who worked on her initially did a bad job. So it had to be redone when she got to Russia. I'm visited her and 2006 and she had a significant limp but was not too bad off considering how bad the injury was.
In my opinion, the way the possible evidence and actual evidence were presented, both, the company and the crew excluding the flight attendant, are at fault. Concerning the vertigo thing. Both, First Officer and the third guy should have done something. Third observation, the Captain was experienced military pilote before. He and the two others should have assessed the environment at that moment, moonless night, etc.
Better they post them and get the ad and premium-users revenue, than pirates getting the money. I've also noticed on a lot of these, people praising the channel for the quality. As if this was an independent channel and not a TV show that's been running around the world, with 3 variations, for longer than some viewers have been alive. So this way the actual team gets the credit, instead of some RUclipsr pretending they made it.
No mayday call. Minutes after it left airport. Quickly after takeoff. Blare leave from that airport. Two days after crash, Yemen terroist phone call. Ruled out.
Nope. The rudder problem requires the unit get extremely cold and then be exposed to hot fluid. The plane had been sitting in the desert for hours and all would have been warm at that point. The failure occurs after a long flight at a high altitude and then on approach to landing.
I have doubts about what happened: If the captain thinks he fly level, but the airplane was turning right, the correction is to turn back left. And I am sure when the co-pilot talked about the right turn the pilot looked at their instruments. Is there anything missing from the movie, or do I misunderstand something?
The need to “save face” in some cultures? “Amplified Notions of Hierarchy” - where the lower-ranked are expected to be Obsequious toward their superiors?
I had booked 2 of my clients on this flight for 2 days excursion to Cairo, the morning at the hotel dreams beach I could see the rescue boats and planes.
This looks like it could be a classic case of "The first rule of any air crash investigation: Blame the pilots." While vertigo may have been the cause, it is unlikely as this is the very reason that pilots are taught to fly by instruments. The VERY first thig you do as you start to turn is look at your artificial horizon. If he thought that the instruments had failed, you would have expected him to have said so or to have queried the first officer if the instruments on his side were working properly. This wouldn't be the first case where an aircraft crashed due to instrument failure and they tried to blame the pilots. Just look at the 737 MAX.
I have learned to ignore vertigo because I get ear infections and they make me dizzy. But I have two others in my life, both pilots who had dizzy spells and it was nearly impossible for them to ignore what they were feeling and trust me to help them while they were on their feet. What is probably needed is a simulator that turns them in unexpected angles and they must ignore what they are feeling and operate the simulator by instruments alone. For somebody who learned to fly by the seat of their pants, this could be very difficult. This is why CRM is so important because you may not realize you have vertigo. Somebody else who has nothing better than monitor the instruments could have a better picture than you.
I agree with you that there have been cases where it was too easy to blame the pilots. However, from the dialog in this case, the captain was clearly disoriented and not paying attention or had psychological blindness to what the instruments were telling him, and the others were too slow to intervene adequately. Which instrument wasn't working though? I don't remember them mentioning it. But it suggests the captain may have had less faith in the remaining instruments because of that, which then led to him relying on misleading feelings from his inner ear
Everything must be checked and double checked to ensure all systems are working as they are supposed to 100%. There must not be any compromise whatsoever. Air travel is considered as the safest way of travel, but a single malfunction can cause a disaster from which there is no recovery. Pilots should also be trained and retrained and dismissed if they show any sign of abnormality.
Sometimes auto pilot is all you have, there have been cases where auto pilot was the only thing that was able to do anything about a problem. If the captain was a war hero and a recognized pilot, its no doubt he tried everything to save the plane.
You only talking such because you are not in the captain shoes but I wish was you in his position and not him let me see if you would of been alive to tell the story
What I find remarkable after decades of analyzing plane crashes, it was never mandated to install cameras/lights facing the wings, tail and undercarriage, so the pilots can actually see what the controller surfaces are doing and record this on the FDR.... Dunno, I think visual queues are kinda important...
@@stephenwoodward9771yes but this was pilot error . Any pilot who wants auto pilot to get home out of trouble shouldn't be left to fly . They got disoriented and it was pitch black night . That's why I don't fly at night
There are clearly two significant psychological factors at play: when people become stressed in any way they tend to resort to what they trust most because their unconscious mind takes control. It sounds very much as if the captain had an internal discrepancy been what he felt the plane was doing, and what it was actually doing to the point where he was not believing the instruments, which is why he got the place into the wing circumstances - going nose up, losing speed and banking to the right. The information from the instruments simply wasn't going in, which was why he was surprised when the first officer pointed out the reality that he didn't really accept. And the historical defence to people in his position and him specifically meant it was so difficult for the others to intervene they only did so when the situation was already unrecoverable.
i get being mad and frustrated but holding protests is so dumb and helps no one. You want the investigators to do their job properly and thoroughly to find the exact cause, instead of just rushing through it.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...MY X-SECURITY AGENCY GAVE ME A "CONTRACT OF SERVICE" LATER I FOUND OUT IT WAS A LOUSY APPOINTMENT LETTER ..I WASN'T COVERED FOR ANYTHING
Because the technology is not available. Also you have to also take into consideration of where the boxes end up. If they end up in the ocean they may not last long if water penetrates the boxes or maybe a whale might accidentally eat it or it lands at a depth where the signal cannot reach the surface or its trapped in rocks that will block the signal. There so many things that can happen to make it impossible for the boxes to be found. Same with a crash on land. The plane can crash in one place but the boxes end up 20 miles away.
The black boxes have to constructed to be extremely tough to withstand impact forces. Bigger battery capacity means a redesign of the whole unit, a new test and certification cycle, and possibly retrofitting existing aircraft to accommodate the bigger units. It also means, on passenger aircraft, taking space away from somewhere else. Cargo planes are just long tubes, passenger aircraft have insulation, overhead bins, lighting, PA systems, miles of wiring, oxygen mask units with oxygen bottles...all of it crammed in among seats, lavatories, galleys, and often on long haul craft, crew rest compartments tucked away somewhere for flight or cabin crew to fit in a few hours of sleep away from the cattle. Adding stuff means moving lots of other stuff.
@@thebabyhumanist1964 Yeah, I know he was being funny. Certainly doable. Except now you've built the world's worst road bus, because an airplane made of thick steel won't fly. Old joke: ATC, after a 747 lands fast and a bit long: "United 775 Heavy, turn right on taxiway Alpha if able. If not able, take the Guadaloupe exit off the 405 and turn right to return to the terminal."
I think that plane should not have left the ground until whatever was wrong was fixed. They were talking about something electrical. Have seen this many times on Mayday shows, something brought up by the pilots and maintenance says its ok and then crashes! Replace the faulty part or don,t fly it!
No airplane is in perfect condition. On any day, there might be a failed light bulb in the main wheel well. The only scenario that would need that light is if the main gear down indicator failed and a crewmember has to look at the indicator in the floor. There was a famous scenario where a pilot was issued a violation because the cigarette lighter did not work, and the pilot chose to fly anyway. At that time, there was no rule saying it was ok to fly without it, only that everything had to work. The level of stupidity of this incident resulted in a document called the Minimum Equipment List, or MEL. All airliners are required to have one. It documents how many of what can be failed and the airplane still be airworthy, and how quickly the fault must be repaired. The First Officer's foot heater is not really required to safely fly, so we can live without it until the next time the plane is at an airport with a major repair facility. I appreciate that your message was likely a reaction to the video. If so, I apologize for the excessively long reply.
Money. It's all about money. Pilots are under a TON of pressure by the airlines to get their planes in the air and can be sverely punished even if there's a problem
@@MrGoesBoom It's the same problem with doctors as it is with pilots. Doctors keep on giving you prescription drugs that treat symptoms and don't heal you so that you can stay sick and you have to keep returning to them so they can keep making money.
12:45 For all the 'Flying is safer than driving' people, name me 1 car accident where 148 people die. Reason # 2,416 I don't fly (I also don't ride in cars).
Here's a few since googling is too hard for you: The catastrophe of Sange, where 230 people died after a tanker truck flipped over and exploded Bawalphur explosion, similar incident with 219 dead 1982 Salang Tunnel Fire, where two military convoys crashed into each other in a tunnel and caused a fire which killed upwards of 3,000 people (though most likely closer to a few hundred)
I am convinced the blame can be layed at the feet of the captain,his status intimidated others to speak up,he was only human and prone to error,others felt afraid to speak out frankly for fear of disrespecting this high status captain, well everybody had to die because of the fear of disrespecting a man that was just as human as all of us! That is what sucks about authoritarianism!
Nope, Nope, Nope, I simply will not file. All is well until the plane gets a mind of its own. Sure, statistically it is safer than driving but if you happen to be on the plane going down, your chances for survival are slim to none.
15:52 This episode is about movers and Shakers.... In Sociology, they'd call these accidents and even terrorist attacks "Risk Acceptance". It is either this, or no traveling at all. As all ways of travelling involve at least some risks, think Titanic or Herald of Free Enterprise. And flying apparantly still remains safer than travelling by car or bus. Trains sometimes go off their tracks and are also potential targets for terrorists....
While air safety standards improve, standards of English grammar continue to sink. It is the "cost of continuing", not "the cost to continue" and it is "there was no way of knowing" not "no way to know."
Even though the investigators found the company in gross neglect they still find delight in trashing a decorated pilot. They almost always blame the pilot or co pilot. Look a Captain Sully Sullinburger. He proved them wrong. They act like they are never wrong. That just my opinion, but who am I
I said it before, I'll say it again, you pay for Discounts flights, you get Discount flights. The only way they can make money is to cut corners. Safety, Training, Maintenance, all get sacrificed in the big to make a buck. This is why I'll only fly established carriers. IT might cost more but my chances of making it from A - B are a LOT better.
When the captain said he could not see the runway and the first officer had said "in sight". If I was the fo I would have responded: maybe your eyes are getting too old
I always support privatization, but in airlines profit corrupts many airlines Egypt has only Egypt Air. They have crashes like any other airline, but upon doing research private airlines are at the top of the list of crashes.
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May I know the narrator of Aeroperu 603
A postcard saying ' I think this will arrive after me' - WOW!! That hits you right where it hurts.
This originally aired on TV in 2007. I have seen it a few different times on You tube and other video upload sites. I am glad that there are more 'repeats' than 'new' episodes. Less new episodes means less planes crashing and less people dying.
I agree
One way to look at it.
The number of GA accidents though, is horrendous, these programs should discuss those more.
We are waiting for a new episode on the Air China crash!
2017 was the safest year in the history of commercial aviation. 50 fatalities out of 4.1 billion passengers.
There are many more car crashes than planes, trains, & ships/boats
“There’s something wrong with the plane!” That broke my heart. May the passengers and crew of Flash Airlines flight 604 RIP. ❤❤
they don't know GOD NO RIP
@@Afriexfull what the fork are you talking about
To die in this fashion is unimaginable
So sad these poor people 💔😭
It’s amazing how this cameraman survived all of these crashes.
Companies like flash shouldve never been operating in the first place. 😢. RIP to those lost.
Vertigo can be extremely sudden and powerful.
I've seen that masterpiece Movie! Jimmie Stewart, Kim Novak & Barbie BelL Gedes.
And that's why you are taught to fly on instruments.
It happened to JFK. Jr. Thats why he crashed.
Poor People Going Through Surreal Inhumane Psychological Terror Trapped and Waiting For That "Moment" They Smash into The Water/Ground and Perish....Unfathomable
24:00 The situation raises several questions about the career trajectory and choices of a highly experienced pilot. Generally, one would expect a pilot with a significant level of skill and experience to be in demand by major airlines, which offer not only better financial compensation but also more prestigious routes. These airlines also tend to have more robust safety protocols and better resources for their staff, contributing to a more desirable and secure working environment. Why is this experienced pilot working for a 2 plain "Fly by night" airline?
Yes, I agree.
I was wondering the same thing.
Maybe the Pilot had young children, a family at home that he wanted to be close to rather than very far away flights.
What country was Egypt at war with? That will tell you why he couldn't work for a major airline. He was probably blacklisted. You cannot even criticize Israel as a nation, let alone be at war with it and not suffer financially. Just look at what's happening today. America is passing laws that will criminalize criticism of a foreign nation, Israel. What a joke. 😂
These investigators Gove me great confidence in flying. They literally go everything they can. It's inspiring to see. NTSB should be proud of what they do. As an American I've very proud of our aviation system.
@@markmckinney1924 ...beautifull minds indeed.
but political.
most won't public advise that children are not for risk in air or highway.
so, the big business scalp of children and by parents that place their children at risk, persist.
and be sure, more children will perish for human vanities, risk and choices.
dl
@markmckinney1924: Don't you think that it would be better if we never get to see these investigators. The [passengers] would be much better off if, they never get to need them at all. You get my idea, right? After all, if they were very aware of the amazing work that they do
very aware of the amazing work that they do, I hope that soon enough, Quantum computers will take the plane, out of The Humans when something goes crazy and human pilots
can't figure out what's the problem, Fear no more here comes the Almighty Quantum COMP. , once, the problem is under control, Then the real pilots will take over
Yeah, whats sad is in my opinion, we can't just blame just the captain. The co-pilot and and 3rd guy should've said something to the capitan much earlier instead of being too scared.
i think its a cover up he knew how to fy it , and remember it went sideways before they were in troube
He was the captain, the buck stops there. The captain was arrogant.
Have you as a child been bullied and know what's it like or as eith ne kniw being in what I brlieve is harassment bullying by people in area you live prople never listen to innocent one but are intimidated by grouos of peopke I have and am there now
Yeah but if you come from an authorotarean culture, and the disoreintated guy in control is a war hero,General etc ,etc you are intimidated by that! You are afraid to speak up frankly!
I watched two other videos recently, that had to do with crashes in the USA in the early 2000's. Problem was found to be a rudder issue, and a malfunction of that circuitry, which was later revised. The planes involved would bank to the opposite side when rudder was engaged. In watching this video, the movements of the plane and inability to control it, plane banking severely, then diving into a catastrophic crash looks exactly like these other two scenarios.
Pitch black night. Simple turn over Red Sea, plane not working.
Change flight, change flight, 2,6, and 8 years old. Cheap tickets not worth it.
The moment @ 3:05 when I heard 'A former officer in the Egyptian Air Force' I knew what the problem was going to be. In these kinds of very hierarchical societies , this equates to the captain being infallible and the rest of the crew being too scared to tell him when he is wrong
Rest In Peace Thoes Who Die In The Crash🕊️
It is never one problem. Trying to place blame on only one aspect means other people have too much pride, don't believe they can do anything wrong, and are covering their a...s. There was something wrong with the plane, something wrong with the crew including the pilots, something wrong with maintenance, and something wrong with the airline. It costs too much to retrieve the airplane from the bottom of the sea, but it costs more to leave it there. The answer is buried in what they didn't care to know.
As the narrator said most of the plane is buried in the red sea. Unless Egypt has the money to get equipment to retrieve the remains of 604 we might never know what was 110% the real cause. R.I.P.
Budget airline gets budget investigation.
@@davidrhp847 EXACTLY! THANK YOU!
Exactly. Usually, you want to know what's wrong with your plane so you can avoid the mistake. But in this case, they want to take the easy route and put the blame on humans hence why they never bothered to retrieve the wreckage.
What happened???????ground proximity warning.
It baffles me how this captain responded to vertigo. It doesn't matter if you have training on disorientation or not, if you have no visuals, you are flying IFR, your eyes as the PIC should be on the instruments ONLY in these conditions, you should not be looking around for visual references and trying to fly VFR.
How this captain had 7000+ hours and did not understand this vitial, basic rule in IFR conditions is beyond me. God rest his, the crew, and all the pax on board, but this was an inexcusable accident.
This is a B737-300, this aircraft has THREE attitude indicators, the captain should have had his eyes glued to his own, and, if he believed it to be innacurate, cross-checked with the secondary, and his F/O's.
Three ADI's ... they agree ..... Trust them!
I've watched so many of these "Mayday" movies. They either blame the pilot, find mechanical errors or its due to poor weather conditions. I dont think this was about the pilot or crew.
The Egyptian government wants to save face.
The airline company was all about profits & could've cared less about properly maintaining their airline. Such a tragedy.
Every business have profit oriented mind but we have system that protect from pilot error.
The captain only had to engage the autopilot everyone would have survived
May all the victims rest in peace.
A mother of 5... That was the saddest part for me.... Hardships of the children are unimaginable....
Team work is very important
I feel so terrible for all involved. I couldn’t imaging how The first officer who was brand new was feeling tryna tell his much more experience captain he’s doing something wrong. That would be so tense.
If I was a captain In a plane the first thing I’d say to my copilot is “if you see something I don’t, take control to save the plane and don’t worry about rank, let’s get home safe and not crash with regret”
I never experienced disorientation until recently on a flight where I work up and thought we were banking a hard right until I leveled out and realized we were already level. Can’t imagine such a feeling when behind actual controls.
0:10, what I yell when I'm trying to lift something heavy.
You're not alone 😂😂😂
21:59 Had this plane not crashed on that night, it could very easily have ended up like Helios 522 (also a 737-300) during a later flight .
I think the actor portrayed The Captain did a great job. He seems totally reliable at the beginning, but then vertigo took over and it's all creepy afterwards.
He didn't look at the artificial horizon???? When there's no visual reference, how can a pilot POSSIBLY not use artificial horizon (and other instruments) to counteract any vertigo.
Why every time they don’t find no evidence they blame on the pilot??
If there’s no evidence after investigation for another reason… What else is left… Pilot error.
the hotel employee crying when he found those people who didnt end up taking the flight is so moving
I always wish there were more airplane manufacturers. I feel like the 2 company monopoly causes many in the airline industry to feel uncomfortable criticizing the planes, even in the event of poor maintenance.
There are a lot more than 2 worldwide. Comac builds jet liners in China and UAC builds them in Russia. Plus, there used to be 2 main ones here in the states. McDonnell Douglas and Boeing plus Airbus in Europe. There was still just as many crashes back in the 50s when there was several companies. Here in the States so much goes into the design and they have great simulators to see how new designs will function in the real world. Before a new jet liner becomes available for sale it goes through very rigorous testing. Where they push the jet much harder than they are designed for. Almost all plane crashes are due to 2 causes. Pilot error or poor maintenance. It's shocking how many crashes could have been avoided had maintenance crews followed prescribed instructions for maintaining and repairing aircraft. Like the plane that had the captains window blow out and took the captain with it. Only other crew members holding onto his legs kept him from attempting to flap his arms to avoid meeting the ground sooner than expected 17000 ft in the air. That was due to a mechanic replacing the window with screws he thought were correct. If he had followed correct procedures he would have looked in the manual and known he was using the wrong bolts. Crashes due to manufacturer issues are usually found pretty quickly and the planes get grounded until that issue is resolved. Boeing just had a problem like that a few years ago with their Max jet. Plus, jet engines are not manufactured by Boeing or Airbus. I know GE manufactures most of Boeings engines and Rolls-Royce makes them for Airbus. Plus when it comes to propeller driven planes there are numerous manufacturers around the world.
The competition between more manufacturers would definitely lead to shortcuts in safety and more people dying. It’s the maintenance that is the issue and as they say, in certain cultures it is deeply shameful to question a veteran pilot…the same issue occurs in Asian cultures. The first officer drew the captain’s attention to the problem but the latter was confused due to vertigo.
agree, but its with all industries now... its rouge Capitalism and VERY dangerous!
@@robertschumann7737Unless it is a 737 Max, which all of the testing was manipulated and no pilots were trained or even told about the new flawed system.
Now it's mostly Boeing and Airbus but there still lots of other planes out there.
They need to make planes out of the cheap plastic flip flops, they always survive.
I think the last thing a pilot wants to hear when he’s occupied is “terrain, pull up”, it’s like duh!
I had a friend, a Russian citizen, who was on vacation at that Resort at that time. I was unsure when she was returning to Russia and I thought she might have been on this flight. Initially, the news said that there was one Russian citizen on the manifest. She wasn't on it, which was a relief, but she had a different problem.
While at the Beach Resort she was hit by a ski boat, which broke her left leg in five places. She spent almost the whole next year and a half in a Russian Hospital healing and regrowing the bone (with the use of a device created by a Russian doctor). She said that the Egyptian doctors who worked on her initially did a bad job. So it had to be redone when she got to Russia.
I'm visited her and 2006 and she had a significant limp but was not too bad off considering how bad the injury was.
Nobody cares.
@@chiasanzes9770.... with the exception of donkeys who post useless comments.
In my opinion, the way the possible evidence and actual evidence were presented, both, the company and the crew excluding the flight attendant, are at fault. Concerning the vertigo thing. Both, First Officer and the third guy should have done something. Third observation, the Captain was experienced military pilote before. He and the two others should have assessed the environment at that moment, moonless night, etc.
148 persons & crew.
28:47 It was at this moment the ground engineer knew he screwed up
There is no mention in the investigation of the faulty equipment mentioned before takeoff by engineer. Was it a contributing factor?
I love how they decided to give us youtube users these videos even though they didnt need too
Better they post them and get the ad and premium-users revenue, than pirates getting the money. I've also noticed on a lot of these, people praising the channel for the quality. As if this was an independent channel and not a TV show that's been running around the world, with 3 variations, for longer than some viewers have been alive. So this way the actual team gets the credit, instead of some RUclipsr pretending they made it.
Greg Feith ❤
He has both beauty and brains.
He was the lead investigator for American Airlines 1420
@@katrinarucker2326 dream dude !
No mayday call. Minutes after it left airport. Quickly after takeoff. Blare leave from that airport. Two days after crash, Yemen terroist phone call. Ruled out.
Rudder control problem. several 737's have had this problem. hydraulic froze up from ice in hydraulic line not melting
Nope. The rudder problem requires the unit get extremely cold and then be exposed to hot fluid. The plane had been sitting in the desert for hours and all would have been warm at that point. The failure occurs after a long flight at a high altitude and then on approach to landing.
I have doubts about what happened: If the captain thinks he fly level, but the airplane was turning right, the correction is to turn back left. And I am sure when the co-pilot talked about the right turn the pilot looked at their instruments. Is there anything missing from the movie, or do I misunderstand something?
Egyptians seem incapable of being truthful in situations like these.
The government LIES
Lumping a group of people together is a sign of a low IQ
Yes !
The need to “save face” in some cultures?
“Amplified Notions of Hierarchy” - where the lower-ranked are expected to be Obsequious toward their superiors?
Why wouldn't they? did you forget that there were french and American investigators on the team
WOW, so vertigo could cause this, very interesting!
Greg Feith is so beautiful. ❤
He wears the most distinct ties 👔 geometric and loud !!
If the pilot was so experienced and respected why was he working for such a cut rate company?
Egypt has a high unemployment rate
Finding jobs is not easy
I had booked 2 of my clients on this flight for 2 days excursion to Cairo, the morning at the hotel dreams beach I could see the rescue boats and planes.
This looks like it could be a classic case of "The first rule of any air crash investigation: Blame the pilots." While vertigo may have been the cause, it is unlikely as this is the very reason that pilots are taught to fly by instruments. The VERY first thig you do as you start to turn is look at your artificial horizon. If he thought that the instruments had failed, you would have expected him to have said so or to have queried the first officer if the instruments on his side were working properly. This wouldn't be the first case where an aircraft crashed due to instrument failure and they tried to blame the pilots. Just look at the 737 MAX.
I have learned to ignore vertigo because I get ear infections and they make me dizzy. But I have two others in my life, both pilots who had dizzy spells and it was nearly impossible for them to ignore what they were feeling and trust me to help them while they were on their feet. What is probably needed is a simulator that turns them in unexpected angles and they must ignore what they are feeling and operate the simulator by instruments alone. For somebody who learned to fly by the seat of their pants, this could be very difficult. This is why CRM is so important because you may not realize you have vertigo. Somebody else who has nothing better than monitor the instruments could have a better picture than you.
I agree with you that there have been cases where it was too easy to blame the pilots. However, from the dialog in this case, the captain was clearly disoriented and not paying attention or had psychological blindness to what the instruments were telling him, and the others were too slow to intervene adequately. Which instrument wasn't working though? I don't remember them mentioning it. But it suggests the captain may have had less faith in the remaining instruments because of that, which then led to him relying on misleading feelings from his inner ear
Poor quality of weather reports
I flew to Sharm in 2004, I will never go again.
I think there was problem with the autopilot,
Everything must be checked and double checked to ensure all systems are working as they are supposed to 100%. There must not be any compromise whatsoever. Air travel is considered as the safest way of travel, but a single malfunction can cause a disaster from which there is no recovery. Pilots should also be trained and retrained and dismissed if they show any sign of abnormality.
Any Captain that yells "AUTO PILOT" to get him out of trouble should never be allowed to fly.
Sometimes auto pilot is all you have, there have been cases where auto pilot was the only thing that was able to do anything about a problem. If the captain was a war hero and a recognized pilot, its no doubt he tried everything to save the plane.
@@nickv4073 why?
You only talking such because you are not in the captain shoes but I wish was you in his position and not him let me see if you would of been alive to tell the story
What I find remarkable after decades of analyzing plane crashes, it was never mandated to install cameras/lights facing the wings, tail and undercarriage, so the pilots can actually see what the controller surfaces are doing and record this on the FDR.... Dunno, I think visual queues are kinda important...
There is NO WAY I would get on a "budget" airline.
Not even Ryanair?
Can happen to any plaine
@@stephenwoodward9771yes but this was pilot error . Any pilot who wants auto pilot to get home out of trouble shouldn't be left to fly . They got disoriented and it was pitch black night . That's why I don't fly at night
Pilot error has caused about 70% of all airline incidents
@T-vy8cc yes flying isn't for everyone
There are clearly two significant psychological factors at play: when people become stressed in any way they tend to resort to what they trust most because their unconscious mind takes control. It sounds very much as if the captain had an internal discrepancy been what he felt the plane was doing, and what it was actually doing to the point where he was not believing the instruments, which is why he got the place into the wing circumstances - going nose up, losing speed and banking to the right. The information from the instruments simply wasn't going in, which was why he was surprised when the first officer pointed out the reality that he didn't really accept. And the historical defence to people in his position and him specifically meant it was so difficult for the others to intervene they only did so when the situation was already unrecoverable.
I thought pilots are suppose fly by instrument at night?
There was two similar situations involving same aircraft where the actuator that conrol the rudder malfunctioned. Could that have been the cause?
RIP 🙏🏻🌹🙏🏻🌹
Most people would act on self preservation. Correct?
i get being mad and frustrated but holding protests is so dumb and helps no one. You want the investigators to do their job properly and thoroughly to find the exact cause, instead of just rushing through it.
i have never seen this one
I’ve seen it, but I don’t mind…it just shows the state of entertainment, when we choose to watch airplane crash episodes 🧐
Saving money and making money is the most important thing to companies
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...MY X-SECURITY AGENCY GAVE ME A "CONTRACT OF SERVICE" LATER I FOUND OUT IT WAS A LOUSY APPOINTMENT LETTER ..I WASN'T COVERED FOR ANYTHING
Why can't airlines make a black box that has a longer shelf life. Batteries that last longer.
Because money.
Because the technology is not available. Also you have to also take into consideration of where the boxes end up. If they end up in the ocean they may not last long if water penetrates the boxes or maybe a whale might accidentally eat it or it lands at a depth where the signal cannot reach the surface or its trapped in rocks that will block the signal. There so many things that can happen to make it impossible for the boxes to be found. Same with a crash on land. The plane can crash in one place but the boxes end up 20 miles away.
The black boxes have to constructed to be extremely tough to withstand impact forces. Bigger battery capacity means a redesign of the whole unit, a new test and certification cycle, and possibly retrofitting existing aircraft to accommodate the bigger units. It also means, on passenger aircraft, taking space away from somewhere else. Cargo planes are just long tubes, passenger aircraft have insulation, overhead bins, lighting, PA systems, miles of wiring, oxygen mask units with oxygen bottles...all of it crammed in among seats, lavatories, galleys, and often on long haul craft, crew rest compartments tucked away somewhere for flight or cabin crew to fit in a few hours of sleep away from the cattle.
Adding stuff means moving lots of other stuff.
@@MGower4465"Why don't they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff?" ~ Steven Wright
@@thebabyhumanist1964 Yeah, I know he was being funny. Certainly doable. Except now you've built the world's worst road bus, because an airplane made of thick steel won't fly.
Old joke: ATC, after a 747 lands fast and a bit long: "United 775 Heavy, turn right on taxiway Alpha if able. If not able, take the Guadaloupe exit off the 405 and turn right to return to the terminal."
Why are they showing an MD-80 interior when the flight is a 737?
Because it's made for tv, on a very small Canadian budget
re-uploaded episode
Yep…
@@kovy689 We can report it as repetitive/spam content.
I feel it's unjust to blame the crew , there are no evidence. It's just assumptions. 😢rest in peace to all those who lost their lives. 😢
I think that plane should not have left the ground until whatever was wrong was fixed. They were talking about something electrical. Have seen this many times on Mayday shows, something brought up by the pilots and maintenance says its ok and then crashes! Replace the faulty part or don,t fly it!
If the first reaction of a captain to get out of an upset situation is to turn on the autopilot, something is very wrong.
Vertigo? Whats the point of instrument then?
So, that's it? Just a big question mark. Seems like they have a lot of unanswered questions on this one.
"Go along...to get along..." Dangerous in multitude of situationd !!
Karen if you ever run for public office , I’ll vote for you and provide financial assistance. Your great and smart . agree. Joey in Pennsylvania
Shattered on impact. Sunk beneath 148 died on impact.
Why IN THE NAME OF GOD do pilots not abort a flight if there is a defect in the airplane?
No airplane is in perfect condition. On any day, there might be a failed light bulb in the main wheel well. The only scenario that would need that light is if the main gear down indicator failed and a crewmember has to look at the indicator in the floor.
There was a famous scenario where a pilot was issued a violation because the cigarette lighter did not work, and the pilot chose to fly anyway. At that time, there was no rule saying it was ok to fly without it, only that everything had to work. The level of stupidity of this incident resulted in a document called the Minimum Equipment List, or MEL. All airliners are required to have one. It documents how many of what can be failed and the airplane still be airworthy, and how quickly the fault must be repaired. The First Officer's foot heater is not really required to safely fly, so we can live without it until the next time the plane is at an airport with a major repair facility.
I appreciate that your message was likely a reaction to the video. If so, I apologize for the excessively long reply.
@@jwizardcThey still needed to abort though. Because it could be more than just a burnt out light bulb.
@@katrinagex77Sometimes light bulbs burn out during the flight.
Money. It's all about money. Pilots are under a TON of pressure by the airlines to get their planes in the air and can be sverely punished even if there's a problem
@@MrGoesBoom It's the same problem with doctors as it is with pilots. Doctors keep on giving you prescription drugs that treat symptoms and don't heal you so that you can stay sick and you have to keep returning to them so they can keep making money.
12:45 For all the 'Flying is safer than driving' people, name me 1 car accident where 148 people die. Reason # 2,416 I don't fly (I also don't ride in cars).
Train accidents and bus accidents.
Bruh how do people like you live life
But I mean, YOU can only die once...
@@JunFan777 I would rather not die with last two minutes screaming.
Here's a few since googling is too hard for you:
The catastrophe of Sange, where 230 people died after a tanker truck flipped over and exploded
Bawalphur explosion, similar incident with 219 dead
1982 Salang Tunnel Fire, where two military convoys crashed into each other in a tunnel and caused a fire which killed upwards of 3,000 people (though most likely closer to a few hundred)
I hope the (probably justifiably) angry families remember that the pilots wife also lost someone. God bless them all.
Still no explanation why the plane banked to the right
I am convinced the blame can be layed at the feet of the captain,his status intimidated others to speak up,he was only human and prone to error,others felt afraid to speak out frankly for fear of disrespecting this high status captain, well everybody had to die because of the fear of disrespecting a man that was just as human as all of us! That is what sucks about authoritarianism!
The vertigo claim is very lame !
Nope, Nope, Nope, I simply will not file. All is well until the plane gets a mind of its own. Sure, statistically it is safer than driving but if you happen to be on the plane going down, your chances for survival are slim to none.
Why does this captain look like the first officer of Egypt Air 990? Unless it's the same actor (for the show)
15:52 This episode is about movers and Shakers....
In Sociology, they'd call these accidents and even terrorist attacks "Risk Acceptance". It is either this, or no traveling at all. As all ways of travelling involve at least some risks, think Titanic or Herald of Free Enterprise. And flying apparantly still remains safer than travelling by car or bus. Trains sometimes go off their tracks and are also potential targets for terrorists....
Can you ploease do any Pakistan International Airlines(PIA) crash investigation? Like the pk 8393 or crashes that happened within pakistan.
13:30. :other families were not on the flight list:.... so how many booked,did NOT take the flight.... a Titanic moment
Vertigo? No. Pilot was turning left as the plane continued turning right…
I am SO SICK of this Lume ad…please stop it’s gross
I agree! My whole family says the same thing. It's all over social media, all over regular TV. It's annoying to the point I will never buy it.
😂. Just put some goop under or on your (something) and SMELL BETTER…without having to shower?
It's cool how they do the same incidents over and over and over in "different" videos. 🙄
While air safety standards improve, standards of English grammar continue to sink. It is the "cost of continuing", not "the cost to continue" and it is "there was no way of knowing" not "no way to know."
Time to sue the plane company 🤑🤑
No it's the mantainence people that don't do their jobs correctly
I was on that plane last time
Even though the investigators found the company in gross neglect they still find delight in trashing a decorated pilot. They almost always blame the pilot or co pilot. Look a Captain Sully Sullinburger. He proved them wrong. They act like they are never wrong. That just my opinion, but who am I
I said it before, I'll say it again, you pay for Discounts flights, you get Discount flights. The only way they can make money is to cut corners. Safety, Training, Maintenance, all get sacrificed in the big to make a buck. This is why I'll only fly established carriers. IT might cost more but my chances of making it from A - B are a LOT better.
3:15 maybe his wife did a lousy job packing......lol
😅😅😅😅😅
Little girl might have “felt” it…
When the captain said he could not see the runway and the first officer had said "in sight". If I was the fo I would have responded: maybe your eyes are getting too old
Shoulda just pointed at the bank angle indicator
I always support privatization, but in airlines profit corrupts many airlines
Egypt has only Egypt Air. They have crashes like any other airline, but upon doing research private airlines are at the top of the list of crashes.