Having a HVAC company in Hawaii since 1992 I have had many vans ranging from Astro vans to E350 with a 7.3 diesel that I put 500k miles on ( 3 transmissions ) at the moment fleet consists of 6 sprinters, 3 of which have the Knapeide service body a Metris and a Transit with the 3.5 Ecco boost which is quicker than a van should be (amazing drive train ) but for comfort and reliability you can’t touch the sprinter, zero breakdowns in over 600k miles
The Ram ProMaster is actually a Fiat Ducato, and that same model has been around in europe since 2006, so it's really a 16 year old van, althought it has been stlighly updated along the years.
@@stefanfalldorf6573 that old "face" of the RAM van,still looks better than that of the new Sprinter .. other than that,the Merc van is superior in every department and probably it's a bit more pricey (when similar versions). Hope to see some hybrid and electric vans .. in the future.
@@stefanfalldorf6573 You just get mainly now European Vans in the US and I count the Ford as one of them. In Australia we get Asian ones as well from Toyota, Hyundai and now the Chinese. All have to pass crash tests . Toyota and Hyundai are very popular
Ive owned both. The Promaster I bought brand new custom ordered needed cylinder head #2 @71k. Cylinder head #6 @ 91k, and transmission at 104k. We will see what the Sprinter beholds over a 100k journey.
Repairing anything under the hood of either van looks like a difficult and therefore expensive proposition. I don't even understand why vehicles with bare sheet metal interiors, 2 seats, and small engines are so expensive.
I agree about potential repairs. I’d also much rather see a comparison of the Ford and Ram. Mercedes have been around long enough that you know you are going to be spending a ton of time at the shop, and that’s if you have one close by that will actually work on it. Where I live I’d have to go 3-4 hours to get one fixed, and that would end up being a ton of towing bills. No thanks.
My preference is the Ram Promaster over the Mercedes Sprinter, primarily on price. It would be a much more close choice between the Ford Transit and the Ram Promaster. But the $15,000 price increase in the Ram Promaster in the last 2 years really detracts from its value proposition. I am not convinced that a new Ram Promaster now costing over $50,000 with just a few options is worth it. In the high 30’s and low 40’s, yes, but when it zooms past 50, it’s attractiveness dims considerably.
The Dodge is the better choice, unless you want service center rejection, high parts cost and service costs. Not to mention that some MB dealers turn away Sprinter work. This is especially true with factory camper van builds and home built units. See it many times...
The Ford Transit high roof is the only one I can stand up in so it's the best choice for me. But besides that I think the Transit with the 3.5 ecoboost with the twin turbo is the best choice for vanlife. With a full build out the weight makes those 2 vans snails going up steep mountains.
@@Max-cg5fp Horsepower 310 hp @ 5,000 rpm Torque 400 lb-ft @ 2,500 rpm. If you change it to the F150 tune you get another 100 hp and foot pounds of torque
@@Max-cg5fp What is the difference between Sprinter diesel standard output and high-output? The four-cylinder diesel engine with standard output has increased horsepower at 170 hp and increased torque at 295 lb. -ft. Replacing the six-cylinder diesel engine is a more powerful, high-output four-cylinder diesel with 20 more horsepower (211 hp) and 7 more lb.Jan 3, 2023
I have a v6 diesel spinster. Very happy with it. Use it to haul around my cycling gear so only RWD setup for me. Lower load height, and better mileage. Get about 21/22 mpg on hwy. Love fit and finish on interior on the sprinter as well. Personal vehicle not for business.
Since they both offer rear doors opening all the way out to sides, it would been cool to have both vans bumper to bumper with rear opened to show load height difference too.
AWESOME VIDEO. I LOVE THE VAN CONTENT, PLEASE BRING MORE OF THIS CONTENT. Please review the last generation of the Dodge Ram Van Wagons from 1994-2003. I really want you to review this truck and all the American Vans like the Ford Econoline that was sold as a van until 2014 and then they only sold it as a chassis that was updated from the interior in 2021 and also a good review of the Chevrolet Express which is the Last Classic American Van built on a frame. Thanks The Fast Lane Truck & @TFLClasics.
blows my mind they charge 46K+ for a motor, transmission strapped to an empty metal box. such a premium for the van lifers and commercial use. I found a used 2017 promaster halff converteed for 24k. 58k miles thinking of getting it
The ProMaster body design was released in 2006. As someone who has worked on hundreds of the same Fiat Ducato/Maxi and Peugeot Boxer in different engine, transmission and body configurations, (years 2007-2018) I would absolutely not recommend them. I have worked on thousands of the Mercedes Sprinters from 2007-2019 and I would recommend them out of all the similar sized vans. They age far better and parts like the exterior mirrors can be cheaper to replace.
The ZF9 speed automatic transmission isn't that bad, any issues with that transmission have been mostly software related. The other transmission Europe gets with the Fiat Ducato (it's neither a manual nor an automatic, it's kinda a mix of the two) has been a problematic one though. It seems the Ford Transit is the better option for reliability...that is, until Toyota decides to build something similarly sized (the Hiace sold overseas is smaller).
It's the reverse in the US. You will pay a premium for parts for the Sprinter, where Promaster parts are quite reasonable. The drivetrain in the Promaster is a beefed up version of what is used in other Stellantis products in North America so parts are common and there are thousands of dealerships that can service it, verses a much smaller number for the Sprinter. I've had experience with both vans. Both are good and have their own strengths and weaknesses.
@@1guyin10 That sounds better than what we had to experience. As an example, We paid over $1k per exterior mirror that took months to be delivered from Italy. Whereas Mercedes parts were cheaper as the mirror components could be bought individually, and came quicker via Singapore. I understand the garbage built in Italy or France is not as good as the ProMaster built in Mexico(?), but I have been burned by the volume of problems by Stellantis products.
@@damilolaakanni Toyota has had amazing success with the Hiace. You are referiing to an Automated Manual Transmissuon. They tend to work better on heavy trucks
I’ve been driving a 2021 long wheelbase high roof Sprinter for work. The interior is that same as this one. It’s a 2.5L four cylinder turbo diesel. It goes really well, even with 1000kg in the back. My biggest gripe with it is the throttle lag. I’ve had many occasions when I have floored it to get moving in a hurry, only to have the computer take a few seconds to decide if it will do what I’ve asked for. The other annoying thing is all of the so-called active safety features that only serve to constantly alarm for no reason. Such as alarming when passing a light pole when making a turn. I googled how to turn most of them off and it has been a lot more pleasant to drive since then.
Transit is still best in class, the Express not far behind (being the widest with the most engines and the only you would really want to tow with). The Sprinter is too expensive unless you just have to have the diesels or a true 4x4, the Transit offers AWD which is enough for contractors to get in and out of customers driveways who haven't shoveled snow.
Would only go with an older express with the 4L80 transmission when towing. The electronic 6 speed transmission is only good for about 120,000 miles with mild towing. I've had 5 put in,doesn't matter whether you service the filter and fluids, they almost always go around 120k.
One advantage to the Ram is that you get the most headroom relative to the overall height, as well as lowest load floor, because of the FWD. I’m considering a low-roof Ram because I want the lowest roof height I can get with the highest interior height. One thing that sucks with the Ram is no passenger version, and the “crew” version is really just an aftermarket bulkhead/seat combo which is t ideal.
For 2023, the Promaster gets the 2014 and up Ducato/Jumper/Boxor face upgrade. The updated dash arrived in 2022 along with the 9 speed transmission, plus about an $7,000 increase in price for a similarly equipped van, but with the older 6 speed and older dash and grill. I suspect the 2023 van is going to cost about $10,000 more than the 2021 van with the same equipment option specifications.
I have a 2022 ProMaster with the “9” speed transmission. It is really only a 7 speed version of the 9 speed. That’s right, 9 speed selector, but only shifts to 7th of the 9th, even up to 80 mph down a mountain highway. The good news is that the ProMaster is a very easy to drive, and efficient van.
I live in the UK and trust me it’s hard to flip them they will slide before they flip as most of the weight is low to the ground. The ram is a fiat Ducato and are very good vans the sprinter I never really liked due to the side panels flexing and making loads of noise
What promaster needs to do is add electric motors to the rear wheels just like the Toyota mini van. This keeps the low platform height and makes it all wheel drive. All wheel drive is leading the van camper builds you see on RUclips. That would make them more competitive in the custom market.
I wonder what this Ram Van will drive like ( if at all ) when the snow starts to fly; especially when you need or want to go up a grade when there's cargo on board. Oh boy not for me I think. AWD would be the answer hopefully. The MB would stay on the lot as far as I'm concerned, their reliability is terrible from what I've heard, not to mention it's initial cost. Although, rear wheel drive is more desirable for hauling weight. Showing these vans in snow, would make a great video; there's where we'd learn about their traction / driving capabilities in winter weather.
you did not say what size the sprinter was /is it a 2.1 liter twin diesel turbo 4 cylinder or a 2.0 liter single turbo diesel 4 cylinder /an transmission matters/the van prices went up /i have a 2021 mb-sprinter cargo /take care/thanks much
That all black hard af, I am looking to start my own expediting company and I’m looking for reliability and longevity. Any real life experiences would gladly be appreciative
I am a courier who drives a 2018 Promaster. I an often driving through Chicago and Milwaukee and any place you want. After seeing this, there is no way that I would choose the Sprinter. That Mercedes is going to have significantly higher maintenance costs and fewer service options. Plus, if are in and out of the cargo doors, that deck height is a significant issue.
I'm an IC in the Courier business too and I'm considering the PM as well. How has yours been running thus far; anything I should look out for? Love the Sprinter but way too expensive and the Transit isn't that far off price wise. I do about 35K miles/year. Thanks!
My friend owns a kitchen company and is from Germany…..you would think he would use the Mercedes’ and he has, but he told me the RAM is better especially the brakes. He had to do brakes on the MERC many times to one time on the RAM. Also Mercedes service is much more expensive. He has 5 RAM vans now and no MERCEDES vans
Good vid. We are getting a Sprinter soon. I want that AWD. But think the interior/dash is just PLAIN & cheap looking. There’s gotta be a huge market for upgrade accessories.
I'm going to stick with a Chevy Express with a nice monster 401 horsepower 400 small-block 6.6 liter V8 in their new cargo van even though the body is the same thing but I've never had a problem with that except for its rusting away too fast. But the mechanical issues of Dodge or well-known same thing for the Mercedes sprinter. I'll stay away from both of those things neither one of those would be anywhere near my first five picks of cargo vans. I'm not looking to spend more time in the repair shop than when I am on the road, thank you
You may save money by buying the pro master ram van, but in the long run, it will cost you more because gas prices plus it probably got a V-8. If that’s the case it will cost a lot more to run it up and down the road versus a sick V6 diesel.
Of these 2 I'd probably take the Ram. I like the idea of a lower load floor and where I live Parts and service should be more accessible. On the inside. For a camper van I like the interior layout of the Ram. For hauling probably the Sprinter. The separate cab just looks safer to me for hauling tools or heavy items.
I know quite a few with built out promasters and every single one of them have had very major failures. Transmissions, engines, radiators, and tons of suspension issues. And it seems like most issues happen around 100k Miles. Id go for the sprinter. They drive way nicer and get better mileage. Seems like most of the sprinter issues are with the emissions equipment and that can be worked around.
The new 2023 Transits and Promasters have surpassed the Sprinter. As good tech-wise, media, cargo, and most of all a lot easier to live with day to day in terms of maintenance access and costs.
The things I like about the Sprinter is that it rides very comfortable. However, I hate that new model gear shifter. For some stupid reason, they put the gear shifter right where most car put their wiper at and I kept mistakenly it for the wiper.
They're pretty much the same thing, remember Dodge Sprinter? Or Freightliner Sprinter? And here we still have the Mercedes Sprinter, oh so many Sprinters, lol. They all came from the same corral, only a name change since Fiat came along. The Transit owns the EuroVan market hands down
The Ram Promaster is not related to the Sprinter - the Sprinter was always made by Mercedes, just imported by Dodge and Freightliner as knock-down kits to be assembled here and avoid the chicken tax. Now Mercedes reassembles them themselves. The Promaster is a rebadged Fiat Ducato - a completely different van as you can see from watching the video.
More Enlightened by your previous 2023 ProMaster Cargo Vans Reveal ! I think you misinformed us - this 2022 has the "old tranny," not the "new" 9 speed - that comes in the 2023, which you told us that previously ! I GREATLY Look Forward to a Comprehensive 2023 ProMaster MID-Roof 136 Review - mpg's, Towing and Hauling and the reduced mpg values with regard to THAT ! I'm planning on ordering a "2023 Mid-Roof 136" Cargo for near future Conversion for full timing. Any insights into that would be nice too. Yea I think most of us are familiar with the FIELD's, Sportsmobile's, and Quigley's ! Are there any closer to the S.E. ? I'm searching some but haven't seen what I'm needing. That is a Price Point that is DOABLE ! ? . ha !
Actually 2022 was the update for dash interior toys and the 9 speed. The new exterior face, roller option rear door and super high roof come in 2023. 2022 first year of nine speed with old face.
We've had heads and cams replaced under 60K on our Rams. Pullys break off causing overheating. condensor lines break. radiators break and leak. Cooling fans go out. Trans go out under 30K. Just crap!!! Our Sprinters have had no problems.
That’s like a delivery company I did business with ,that had a fleet of vehicles, couldn’t get 200 k from a Ford ranger , but could get 300k plus on a Toyota pick up , easily , now they use a lot of Prius vehicles 😀
Thanks for the review - had considered one to haul my motorcycle to the track. I think I'll stick to a trailer. Talk about a profit margins...sheesh. An un finished steel box on wheels for 40k and up.
A random and rambling review. Guy walking around making general observations with few specifics like “ it’s high but a newer version will be higher “ WHAT. GIVE ME SOME NUMBERS!
Wouldn’t choose the Pro Ram for off-road builds - that low bar under the rear axle (anti-sway?) reduces your clearance to about 6”. The Sprinters will be far more expensive for maintenance and repairs, especially if you are just west of the middle of nowhere and the nearest dealer that can handle them (which is NOT just any Mercedes dealer) could be hundreds of miles away. Next.
The Ram Promaster in my opinion is not very suitable for off road “over landing” because it is not available in 4x4 or AWD versions. Plus the rear drop beam axle limits rear axle ground clearance. You can get a 4x4 version of the Fiat Ducato in Europe, but it’s not available stateside. When lightly loaded, the Promaster is ok on snow and icy roads, but I have seen a number of videos and articles claiming the Promaster is not very suitable in off road conditions. That’s the area where AWD or 4x4 really excels over a FWD configuration.
Driving comfort, ergonomics, ease of use, switch/control placement and a smooth drive. 1. MB 2. Ford Transit 3. Coffin 4. RAM. The company I work for moves all sizes of each of these vans. All wheelbases, all engines sizes, roof heights, cargo and interior options. This also includes larger breadtruck sized vans like Ford F59’s. The newest Ford Transits are probably the number one vehicle concerning use of cab space, ergonomics, ingress, egress, lighting, switchgear, materials, a/c vent placement, outside mirror use and adjustment to clearly see down side of vehicle, ability to wipe windows if fogged up and see clearly, use of dash space on top and at console, inputs and outputs for powers and accessories, cup holders and compartment design of dash and door panels…etc. The best seats, mirrors, steering wheel feel, suspension and engine smoothness, noise and vibrations mitigation are in the MB. The Transit completely dominates aside from that. The RAM…I could never find a reason to choose…and I dread driving them if given a choice. The transit is also the winning solution for Amazon fleet vehicles. MB was a top choice but the expense of running them and other issues make them a second choice if your running a fleet operation. Customizable? MB is superior for a long term vehicle if you’re going to OWN one and make it an RV or an Overlander type of vehicle. However, if you’re not hard core and want to save some money then it’s back to the Transit. Driving a T350 with the turbo 6 is also a fast machine and can give a few cars a run for the money up to 80mph. …at the end of the day these require test driving. I recommend anyone contemplating these vehicle to remember that when you’re driving long distance or will be spending plenty of seat time that when you attempt to place your left arm and right arm in a comfortable position….you’re going to find out real quick which van is the most uncomfortable.
The thing that I like about the dodge is the better turning radious and the fwd which is better for snow. MB are very roomy snd the diesel has plenty of torque, but the pedal delay is no fun. The transits are pretty good overall.
Really confused. I've lived in Europe. I've lived in the US. Not really sure why we need Eurovans here in the states. If you drive one through, say Oxford England then you know why they are the way they are but here..... Really lame vehicles. Capable? Yes, but give me a full size van here any day. That being said. I'm a Dodge, Chevy guy..... Not a Ford guy.... The RAM van is ugly as sin. I mean it looks like a bug.... If I had a fleet of them for a business, and I'm not the one driving them, then fine but... For a motorhome or overlanding rig..... Mmm no! Thanks Andre for a nice review of these vans. I have been wondering the differences between these 2.
As someone who has driven lots of traditional full-size vans and the Euro-style vans, the Euro vans are better in every possible way. The Ford Transit in particular is powerful, maneuverable, and handles and rides great. Also, in the 15-passenger version it is much safer than the traditional 15-passenger vans.
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Having a HVAC company in Hawaii since 1992 I have had many vans ranging from Astro vans to E350 with a 7.3 diesel that I put 500k miles on ( 3 transmissions ) at the moment fleet consists of 6 sprinters, 3 of which have the Knapeide service body a Metris and a Transit with the 3.5 Ecco boost which is quicker than a van should be (amazing drive train ) but for comfort and reliability you can’t touch the sprinter, zero breakdowns in over 600k miles
What year and configuration is your sprinter with over 600k? Is it diesel or gas?
The Ram ProMaster is actually a Fiat Ducato, and that same model has been around in europe since 2006, so it's really a 16 year old van, althought it has been stlighly updated along the years.
Updated in 2014 like it's siblings the Citroën Jumper and the Peugeot Boxer. Couldn't belive to see that old front face as a brand new vehicle.
And Fiat's reputation is to die for.......
Doesn’t matter the new one comes out in a few more months
@@stefanfalldorf6573 that old "face" of the RAM van,still looks better than that of the new Sprinter .. other than that,the Merc van is superior in every department and probably it's a bit more pricey (when similar versions). Hope to see some hybrid and electric vans .. in the future.
@@stefanfalldorf6573 You just get mainly now European Vans in the US and I count the Ford as one of them. In Australia we get Asian ones as well from Toyota, Hyundai and now the Chinese. All have to pass crash tests . Toyota and Hyundai are very popular
Ive owned both. The Promaster I bought brand new custom ordered needed cylinder head #2 @71k. Cylinder head #6 @ 91k, and transmission at 104k. We will see what the Sprinter beholds over a 100k journey.
update? i want to buy one for my business.
Repairing anything under the hood of either van looks like a difficult and therefore expensive proposition. I don't even understand why vehicles with bare sheet metal interiors, 2 seats, and small engines are so expensive.
They are covering sticker price; I have a feeling "fleet" pricing for these type of vehicles is a lot more realistic.
Because people make money or save money with this vehicles , so the know people will buy them !! Things are only worth as much as people but then
Lol…… this is actually a lot of vehicle/mass for the money! Try that with a truck and see the prices!!
I agree about potential repairs. I’d also much rather see a comparison of the Ford and Ram. Mercedes have been around long enough that you know you are going to be spending a ton of time at the shop, and that’s if you have one close by that will actually work on it. Where I live I’d have to go 3-4 hours to get one fixed, and that would end up being a ton of towing bills. No thanks.
Because they’re used by delivery companies like FedEx and amazon. They pay top dollar for these.
These transporter comparisons are totally missing on youtube. Thanks Andre!
My preference is the Ram Promaster over the Mercedes Sprinter, primarily on price. It would be a much more close choice between the Ford Transit and the Ram Promaster. But the $15,000 price increase in the Ram Promaster in the last 2 years really detracts from its value proposition. I am not convinced that a new Ram Promaster now costing over $50,000 with just a few options is worth it. In the high 30’s and low 40’s, yes, but when it zooms past 50, it’s attractiveness dims considerably.
I sold my first Promaster at 225,000 miles. Just basic maintenance done. Was still going strong.
Fiat ducato (promaster) is a light duty fwd unibody van, fca's alternative to sprinter is called iveco daily - body on frame rwd
The Dodge is the better choice, unless you want service center rejection, high parts cost and service costs. Not to mention that some MB dealers turn away Sprinter work. This is especially true with factory camper van builds and home built units. See it many times...
I have a 2018 RAM Promaster 2500, and fully built out. I get 14-15 MPG keeping it between 65-70 mph.
Imagine having the 9 speed and updated 3.6
2023 AWD HO Diesel - 24MPG Highway.
I drove my friend’s Sprinter cargo this weekend..nice..but I like my Ford Transit as well...
The Ford Transit high roof is the only one I can stand up in so it's the best choice for me.
But besides that I think the Transit with the 3.5 ecoboost with the twin turbo is the best choice for vanlife. With a full build out the weight makes those 2 vans snails going up steep mountains.
The Sprinter featured here has more torque than the Transit though, which means it's better suited for going up hills.
@@Max-cg5fp Horsepower 310 hp @ 5,000 rpm
Torque 400 lb-ft @ 2,500 rpm.
If you change it to the F150 tune you get another 100 hp and foot pounds of torque
Transit not available in 136' wheelbase high roof version and neither does the Sprinter, making the Promaster the only one I can use.
Sure but the diesel motor will outlive all the above and does all the same without a tune lol
@@Max-cg5fp What is the difference between Sprinter diesel standard output and high-output?
The four-cylinder diesel engine with standard output has increased horsepower at 170 hp and increased torque at 295 lb. -ft. Replacing the six-cylinder diesel engine is a more powerful, high-output four-cylinder diesel with 20 more horsepower (211 hp) and 7 more lb.Jan 3, 2023
I have a v6 diesel spinster. Very happy with it. Use it to haul around my cycling gear so only RWD setup for me. Lower load height, and better mileage. Get about 21/22 mpg on hwy.
Love fit and finish on interior on the sprinter as well. Personal vehicle not for business.
Since they both offer rear doors opening all the way out to sides, it would been cool to have both vans bumper to bumper with rear opened to show load height difference too.
Please do a side by side comparison with all of the vans!
Fords too!
Thanks Andre!
AWESOME VIDEO. I LOVE THE VAN CONTENT, PLEASE BRING MORE OF THIS CONTENT.
Please review the last generation of the Dodge Ram Van Wagons from 1994-2003. I really want you to review this truck and all the American Vans like the Ford Econoline that was sold as a van until 2014 and then they only sold it as a chassis that was updated from the interior in 2021 and also a good review of the Chevrolet Express which is the Last Classic American Van built on a frame.
Thanks The Fast Lane Truck & @TFLClasics.
blows my mind they charge 46K+ for a motor, transmission strapped to an empty metal box. such a premium for the van lifers and commercial use. I found a used 2017 promaster halff converteed for 24k. 58k miles thinking of getting it
The ProMaster body design was released in 2006. As someone who has worked on hundreds of the same Fiat Ducato/Maxi and Peugeot Boxer in different engine, transmission and body configurations, (years 2007-2018) I would absolutely not recommend them.
I have worked on thousands of the Mercedes Sprinters from 2007-2019 and I would recommend them out of all the similar sized vans. They age far better and parts like the exterior mirrors can be cheaper to replace.
The ZF9 speed automatic transmission isn't that bad, any issues with that transmission have been mostly software related. The other transmission Europe gets with the Fiat Ducato (it's neither a manual nor an automatic, it's kinda a mix of the two) has been a problematic one though. It seems the Ford Transit is the better option for reliability...that is, until Toyota decides to build something similarly sized (the Hiace sold overseas is smaller).
@@damilolaakanni Yes but the Toyota is extremely reliable. Chinese do build a Ford Transit clone
It's the reverse in the US. You will pay a premium for parts for the Sprinter, where Promaster parts are quite reasonable. The drivetrain in the Promaster is a beefed up version of what is used in other Stellantis products in North America so parts are common and there are thousands of dealerships that can service it, verses a much smaller number for the Sprinter. I've had experience with both vans. Both are good and have their own strengths and weaknesses.
@@1guyin10 That sounds better than what we had to experience. As an example, We paid over $1k per exterior mirror that took months to be delivered from Italy. Whereas Mercedes parts were cheaper as the mirror components could be bought individually, and came quicker via Singapore.
I understand the garbage built in Italy or France is not as good as the ProMaster built in Mexico(?), but I have been burned by the volume of problems by Stellantis products.
@@damilolaakanni Toyota has had amazing success with the Hiace. You are referiing to an Automated Manual Transmissuon. They tend to work better on heavy trucks
I’ve been driving a 2021 long wheelbase high roof Sprinter for work. The interior is that same as this one. It’s a 2.5L four cylinder turbo diesel. It goes really well, even with 1000kg in the back. My biggest gripe with it is the throttle lag. I’ve had many occasions when I have floored it to get moving in a hurry, only to have the computer take a few seconds to decide if it will do what I’ve asked for. The other annoying thing is all of the so-called active safety features that only serve to constantly alarm for no reason. Such as alarming when passing a light pole when making a turn. I googled how to turn most of them off and it has been a lot more pleasant to drive since then.
Get a devices called Pedal Control 2.0. 3 minute plug in, runs on an app, and fixes the lag for a couple hundred $$.
YOU MEAN 2.1 4 CYL DIESEL
Agreed, I love the diesel torque but it literally takes 3-5 seconds before the pedal works and it accelerates.
100%. I test drove one and decided to leave it on the lot.
Great video! You highlighted key points that no one else mentioned. Thank you!
Great video, but we're missing the Ford transit
I've had both.... go with the sprinter. Too many electrical issues with the promaster
I would rather have a column shifter any day than the lever on the RAM. Even a knob shifter, which I'm not a fan of either, would be better.
It’s brand new? You driven a 2022?
Transit is still best in class, the Express not far behind (being the widest with the most engines and the only you would really want to tow with). The Sprinter is too expensive unless you just have to have the diesels or a true 4x4, the Transit offers AWD which is enough for contractors to get in and out of customers driveways who haven't shoveled snow.
Would only go with an older express with the 4L80 transmission when towing. The electronic 6 speed transmission is only good for about 120,000 miles with mild towing. I've had 5 put in,doesn't matter whether you service the filter and fluids, they almost always go around 120k.
MB is dropping the 4x4 system in favor of an AWD system for 2023
When will you add the Ford Transit to the discussion on vans?
One advantage to the Ram is that you get the most headroom relative to the overall height, as well as lowest load floor, because of the FWD.
I’m considering a low-roof Ram because I want the lowest roof height I can get with the highest interior height.
One thing that sucks with the Ram is no passenger version, and the “crew” version is really just an aftermarket bulkhead/seat combo which is t ideal.
Have you considered a city?
@@IanNubbit opposite problem, not enough head height.
The 2023 pro has a crew design
You had to bring beatiful teal color Sprinter vs plain black promaster.. what a comparison.
For 2023, the Promaster gets the 2014 and up Ducato/Jumper/Boxor face upgrade. The updated dash arrived in 2022 along with the 9 speed transmission, plus about an $7,000 increase in price for a similarly equipped van, but with the older 6 speed and older dash and grill. I suspect the 2023 van is going to cost about $10,000 more than the 2021 van with the same equipment option specifications.
I have a 2022 ProMaster with the “9” speed transmission. It is really only a 7 speed version of the 9 speed. That’s right, 9 speed selector, but only shifts to 7th of the 9th, even up to 80 mph down a mountain highway. The good news is that the ProMaster is a very easy to drive, and efficient van.
Only work van I drove was a 99' E-350 extended body. Great work van!! Haven't drivin one a these yet..they look kinda top heavy...Tall vans!!
I live in the UK and trust me it’s hard to flip them they will slide before they flip as most of the weight is low to the ground. The ram is a fiat Ducato and are very good vans the sprinter I never really liked due to the side panels flexing and making loads of noise
Aftermarket products like hushmat can be applied like a sticker and dampens sound and vibration. Not bad with heat insulation either.
You were more likely to flip your E-Series. These Euro-style vans are actually pretty stable by comparison.
Depends on the business. If you tow, sprinter. If you just haul,deliver. The Pro master. Plus with the Ram,your paying the Mercedes price.
i really like the pro master and if I had to choose, hands down pro master. I hope that in the future they offer an AWD version of the Pro master
No , they don't . In France is the factory Dangel , they change your truck in to 4wd , 15 k euros...
What promaster needs to do is add electric motors to the rear wheels just like the Toyota mini van. This keeps the low platform height and makes it all wheel drive. All wheel drive is leading the van camper builds you see on RUclips. That would make them more competitive in the custom market.
A few years ago, I had some work done by a van upfitter company. The owner told me that new Promaster vans rattle more than is 250k mile Chevy pickup.
I wonder what this Ram Van will drive like ( if at all ) when the snow starts to fly; especially when you need or want to go up a grade when there's cargo on board. Oh boy not for me I think.
AWD would be the answer hopefully.
The MB would stay on the lot as far as I'm concerned, their reliability is terrible from what I've heard, not to mention it's initial cost. Although, rear wheel drive is more desirable for hauling weight.
Showing these vans in snow, would make a great video; there's where we'd learn about their traction / driving capabilities in winter weather.
The Promaster, being FWD, goes quite well in the snow if you have decent tires. It even handles rough dirt roads without complaint.
@@1guyin10 Good to know then.
Both are cool as is, but it really gets interesting when you start to customize!
Finally a Pro Master vs Sprinter ! Work vans do sell pretty heavily in the US market almost like trucks.
you did not say what size the sprinter was /is it a 2.1 liter twin diesel turbo 4 cylinder or a 2.0 liter single turbo diesel 4 cylinder /an transmission matters/the van prices went up /i have a 2021 mb-sprinter cargo /take care/thanks much
Nice color on the Sprinter.
Note: The MB Sprinter's normal territory is the German Autobahn, at speeds of 80-100 mph.
The sprinter looks beautiful next to that ugly thing.
Nice, objective comparison. Thank you.
That all black hard af, I am looking to start my own expediting company and I’m looking for reliability and longevity. Any real life experiences would gladly be appreciative
Now put side by side with a transit
I am a courier who drives a 2018 Promaster. I an often driving through Chicago and Milwaukee and any place you want. After seeing this, there is no way that I would choose the Sprinter. That Mercedes is going to have significantly higher maintenance costs and fewer service options. Plus, if are in and out of the cargo doors, that deck height is a significant issue.
I'm an IC in the Courier business too and I'm considering the PM as well. How has yours been running thus far; anything I should look out for? Love the Sprinter but way too expensive and the Transit isn't that far off price wise. I do about 35K miles/year. Thanks!
Is there a video between all the vans?! Chevy express, ford transit, or pro master??
My friend owns a kitchen company and is from Germany…..you would think he would use the Mercedes’ and he has, but he told me the RAM is better especially the brakes. He had to do brakes on the MERC many times to one time on the RAM. Also Mercedes service is much more expensive. He has 5 RAM vans now and no MERCEDES vans
Best is Ram ProMaster 2023!!!!!!!
Good vid. We are getting a Sprinter soon. I want that AWD. But think the interior/dash is just PLAIN & cheap looking. There’s gotta be a huge market for upgrade accessories.
Ram needs to put the Dooley Rear Axle back in their Work Vans! That front wheel drive Bullcrap needs to go!! Put the Diesel back in there as well.
I'm going to stick with a Chevy Express with a nice monster 401 horsepower 400 small-block 6.6 liter V8 in their new cargo van even though the body is the same thing but I've never had a problem with that except for its rusting away too fast. But the mechanical issues of Dodge or well-known same thing for the Mercedes sprinter. I'll stay away from both of those things neither one of those would be anywhere near my first five picks of cargo vans. I'm not looking to spend more time in the repair shop than when I am on the road, thank you
You may save money by buying the pro master ram van, but in the long run, it will cost you more because gas prices plus it probably got a V-8. If that’s the case it will cost a lot more to run it up and down the road versus a sick V6 diesel.
Nope. It's a V-6, gets the same mpg as the diesel MB, and diesel costs more than gas.
What the reviews of the express and transit and ike gantlet test for all them
TFLvans time let’s go
Bring on the Ford!
Ford Transit?
Of these 2 I'd probably take the Ram. I like the idea of a lower load floor and where I live Parts and service should be more accessible. On the inside. For a camper van I like the interior layout of the Ram. For hauling probably the Sprinter. The separate cab just looks safer to me for hauling tools or heavy items.
Promaster if your are a courier hands down. It's a snow machine.
I would love to see what Quigley can do with the Sprinter!
Halo infinite?
Put a bullet through it at 500yards?
They probably wouldn't bother because there's a 4wd option available from the factory.
How much cost to do oil change in ProMaster and how often?
Where is the transit?
Have you ever profiled the VW ocean?
Ford Transit all the way. Servicing the ProMaster and Sprinter is MUCH more difficult.
Honestly, this is more interesting than the Lightning.
RAM, is that producer? I didnt know that, i think ram is model of jeep. So theyt make vans also, nice
I know quite a few with built out promasters and every single one of them have had very major failures. Transmissions, engines, radiators, and tons of suspension issues. And it seems like most issues happen around 100k Miles. Id go for the sprinter. They drive way nicer and get better mileage. Seems like most of the sprinter issues are with the emissions equipment and that can be worked around.
That’s what the new trans, engine and rear suspension adddress
I’ll take the Ford as my new home cause you know the world right now
The new 2023 Transits and Promasters have surpassed the Sprinter. As good tech-wise, media, cargo, and most of all a lot easier to live with day to day in terms of maintenance access and costs.
The things I like about the Sprinter is that it rides very comfortable. However, I hate that new model gear shifter. For some stupid reason, they put the gear shifter right where most car put their wiper at and I kept mistakenly it for the wiper.
The best van, at least for the USA? The one that isn’t there, Transit.
Have you reviewed vw crafty van?
Van life, you'll never go back...it has to be Diesel, and should always be 4x4
Sprinter is the only way to get a diesel now that Ford has discontinued them for the Transit in the US.
best mpg?
Does the Sprinter need DEF (diesel exhaust fluid)? I didn't see a second filler cap when you showed the red fuel cap)
He showed the DEF fill under the hood.
Why do they call it a one ton pickup when it carries 2 tons
I feel like a higher height is good for flooding
Mercedes break more with payload but the ram usually give me no problem
They're pretty much the same thing, remember Dodge Sprinter? Or Freightliner Sprinter? And here we still have the Mercedes Sprinter, oh so many Sprinters, lol. They all came from the same corral, only a name change since Fiat came along. The Transit owns the EuroVan market hands down
The Ram Promaster is not related to the Sprinter - the Sprinter was always made by Mercedes, just imported by Dodge and Freightliner as knock-down kits to be assembled here and avoid the chicken tax. Now Mercedes reassembles them themselves. The Promaster is a rebadged Fiat Ducato - a completely different van as you can see from watching the video.
@@stephenj4937 Yep, Dodge Sprinter was a product of the Daimler-Chrysler union before Daimler bailed and Fiat bought Chrysler.
I wish the Promaster was still available in a diesel.
I prefer the Transit.
Andre don't forget Ford has the Transit
More Enlightened by your previous 2023 ProMaster Cargo Vans Reveal ! I think you misinformed us - this 2022 has the "old tranny," not the "new" 9 speed - that comes in the 2023, which you told us that previously ! I GREATLY Look Forward to a Comprehensive 2023 ProMaster MID-Roof 136 Review - mpg's, Towing and Hauling and the reduced mpg values with regard to THAT ! I'm planning on ordering a "2023 Mid-Roof 136" Cargo for near future Conversion for full timing. Any insights into that would be nice too. Yea I think most of us are familiar with the FIELD's, Sportsmobile's, and Quigley's ! Are there any closer to the S.E. ? I'm searching some but haven't seen what I'm needing.
That is a Price Point that is DOABLE ! ? . ha !
Actually 2022 was the update for dash interior toys and the 9 speed. The new exterior face, roller option rear door and super high roof come in 2023. 2022 first year of nine speed with old face.
The ram pro master looks like Bubba from forest gump.
We've had heads and cams replaced under 60K on our Rams. Pullys break off causing overheating. condensor lines break. radiators break and leak. Cooling fans go out. Trans go out under 30K. Just crap!!! Our Sprinters have had no problems.
That’s like a delivery company I did business with ,that had a fleet of vehicles, couldn’t get 200 k from a Ford ranger , but could get 300k plus on a Toyota pick up , easily , now they use a lot of Prius vehicles 😀
I need a van that can tow a 2 door jeep on an alunimum trailer
Anyone can walk into the dealership and see what you said. Why not discuss things like drivability, handling, acceleration, stability etc.
Thanks for the review - had considered one to haul my motorcycle to the track. I think I'll stick to a trailer. Talk about a profit margins...sheesh. An un finished steel box on wheels for 40k and up.
A random and rambling review. Guy walking around making general observations with few specifics like “ it’s high but a newer version will be higher “ WHAT. GIVE ME SOME NUMBERS!
Toyota should build its Hi-Ace van.
Wouldn’t choose the Pro Ram for off-road builds - that low bar under the rear axle (anti-sway?) reduces your clearance to about 6”. The Sprinters will be far more expensive for maintenance and repairs, especially if you are just west of the middle of nowhere and the nearest dealer that can handle them (which is NOT just any Mercedes dealer) could be hundreds of miles away.
Next.
Get a Transit
@@angelgjr1999 Probably a Transit AWD extended with either mid- or high-roof and a possible lift and Koni shocks.
The Ram Promaster in my opinion is not very suitable for off road “over landing” because it is not available in 4x4 or AWD versions. Plus the rear drop beam axle limits rear axle ground clearance. You can get a 4x4 version of the Fiat Ducato in Europe, but it’s not available stateside. When lightly loaded, the Promaster is ok on snow and icy roads, but I have seen a number of videos and articles claiming the Promaster is not very suitable in off road conditions. That’s the area where AWD or 4x4 really excels over a FWD configuration.
Promaster is best van in europ for caravan
Driving comfort, ergonomics, ease of use, switch/control placement and a smooth drive.
1. MB
2. Ford Transit
3. Coffin
4. RAM.
The company I work for moves all sizes of each of these vans. All wheelbases, all engines sizes, roof heights, cargo and interior options. This also includes larger breadtruck sized vans like Ford F59’s.
The newest Ford Transits are probably the number one vehicle concerning use of cab space, ergonomics, ingress, egress, lighting, switchgear, materials, a/c vent placement, outside mirror use and adjustment to clearly see down side of vehicle, ability to wipe windows if fogged up and see clearly, use of dash space on top and at console, inputs and outputs for powers and accessories, cup holders and compartment design of dash and door panels…etc.
The best seats, mirrors, steering wheel feel, suspension and engine smoothness, noise and vibrations mitigation are in the MB.
The Transit completely dominates aside from that.
The RAM…I could never find a reason to choose…and I dread driving them if given a choice.
The transit is also the winning solution for Amazon fleet vehicles. MB was a top choice but the expense of running them and other issues make them a second choice if your running a fleet operation.
Customizable?
MB is superior for a long term vehicle if you’re going to OWN one and make it an RV or an Overlander type of vehicle. However, if you’re not hard core and want to save some money then it’s back to the Transit.
Driving a T350 with the turbo 6 is also a fast machine and can give a few cars a run for the money up to 80mph.
…at the end of the day these require test driving. I recommend anyone contemplating these vehicle to remember that when you’re driving long distance or will be spending plenty of seat time that when you attempt to place your left arm and right arm in a comfortable position….you’re going to find out real quick which van is the most uncomfortable.
The thing that I like about the dodge is the better turning radious and the fwd which is better for snow. MB are very roomy snd the diesel has plenty of torque, but the pedal delay is no fun. The transits are pretty good overall.
Wheres the Transit?
Ours is in for it new engine at 75000 3 years old it will have to go as soon as it come back never again
weres the ford and chevy
PM doesn't have 9 speed, just 7
RAM aka Fiat aka Peugeot aka Citroen :D
I like the high roof Ford Transit better than these two. Eco boost AWD is the ticket
Overhang in the rear is a big NO for off-road.
CAn the promaster spark plugs be replaced without removing the radiator??
Yes. Its actually not bad to work on for a FWD V6 once you take the wiper cowl off, which you have to do on many other vehicles as well.
We need these as EV’s
Ford has started. Get it together Mercedes and ProMaster! They all need a minimum of 250 mile range
Why is the Ram’s breather so dirty?
If you have TFLtruck, TFLcar, and TFL bike why not have TFLvan
Really confused. I've lived in Europe. I've lived in the US. Not really sure why we need Eurovans here in the states. If you drive one through, say Oxford England then you know why they are the way they are but here..... Really lame vehicles. Capable? Yes, but give me a full size van here any day.
That being said. I'm a Dodge, Chevy guy..... Not a Ford guy.... The RAM van is ugly as sin. I mean it looks like a bug.... If I had a fleet of them for a business, and I'm not the one driving them, then fine but... For a motorhome or overlanding rig..... Mmm no!
Thanks Andre for a nice review of these vans. I have been wondering the differences between these 2.
As someone who has driven lots of traditional full-size vans and the Euro-style vans, the Euro vans are better in every possible way. The Ford Transit in particular is powerful, maneuverable, and handles and rides great. Also, in the 15-passenger version it is much safer than the traditional 15-passenger vans.