I think, this just sold me on Ford or Dodge, even though I don't care for either, and I love German tools. The maintenance issues sound like what I would imagine. 4 vehicles, and some company vehicles, have gotten me from 19 to 41 years old. I definitely prefer my Honda and Saturn to the Ford and Chevy. I definitely love German tools above all, and I've heard great things about their motor. However, I don't want to be stuck like Chuck, without an available mechanic. Thanks, for the video =)
Drove the Ford transit since 0 miles, 16 hours a day and in the first years had to replace ball joints, transmission, brakes and alignment job along with bulb lights and other minor, fueses issues. the amount of time spent on on the dealer was insanely and fuel economy wasn't good either. This video need an update to see if he is still happy with the FT.
Bought a New Transit Wagon in 2015 spec it out to my needs been very reliable getting 20.2 avg . MPG been very happy with it and would buy another one.
The Ford will do if you don't drive long distances or are shorter than 5-11. Other wise you need to make sure the wheel well hump on the floor isn't going to cramp up you left leg.
I’ve driven all three at my hotel shuttle job, and my favourite is the Ford Transit. The Mercedes (durabus conversion) is very nice inside w a flush passenger door, but I still like the Ford better. It’s a 9 seater w space in the back for luggage, the ride is comfortable, the console area is nice w all the cup holders and areas to store stuff and I like having a seat next to me to put my personal items within arms reach. The sprinter had no seat next to me so I had to put my stuff in the overhead rack. Even my guests commented on how much they liked the Ford Transit. I enjoyed your video, cheers from Toronto.
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. I went with 2024 RAM: front-wheel drive thus drives well full or empty, dealers everywhere, great gas mileage for a van, 9-speed trans, smallest turn radius, rear stocks don't hang low, price is great and more.
@@delamangaprofuctions1895 Not, but I have only 9,000 miles. The 6-speed trans I heard was a dog. The engine's only weak stop is the valve lifters. If they start to tick at bout 60,00 miles, new lifts are needed. My thinking is the money I save up front (not buying a Ford or Mez) , I will save and spend on lifters later.
Love your video. Thank you. I have driven Sprinters from the beginning. Early 2000's to now. They were garbage when they first came out. Tires were way too small. Engines were garbage, no techs at dealerships that were trained on the sprinters specifically. Turn around times were ridiculous etc. I am very convinced thanks to your video and others that I would buy the Transit. I have an Expedition and I am totally impressed by the performance of the EcoBoost V-6 Twin turbo engine. Plenty of power pulling a travel trailer up the canyons here in Utah. Just the number of service dealerships across the country are enough to make me commit to Ford. Mercedes just doesn't listen to their customers. They could own the market if they would just listen and react to the people who buy their products. Stupid way to run a business. Once again, thank you Sir.
I was watching another You Tube channel where this lady bought a brand new Sprinter. BRAND NEW and she had an engine light which the dealer was able to at least go away but she was told it may very likely come back on. So she brings it back home and I saw one of her fog lights didn't work. Mercedes is over rated. I just ordered the 2023 Ford Transit Trail. Hoping I see it sometime in my lifetime. LOL.
I drove Mercedes Sprinter for Mammoth mountain ski area for about four years; it was my job to transport guests from the hotels belonging to the company to the four lodges and various other access points to all chair lifts. At night (my shifts were ending 11:00 PM) I would go and pick them up from their dinner tables at all the restaurants in the area. There were nights in the winter, when the temperature was as low as around 10 degrees F. This means that it could have been 4-5F(I had thermometer values in the dashboard cluster, but it has been some years since that job) - never had an issue as freezing diesel fuel. Just wanted to quickly clarify that.
Lots of misinformation on DIESEL here. If you live anywhere where temps can start to approach critical temps for diesel they automatically do a winter blend at the refinery to prevent cold weather thickening. If you go from Southern California to a mid west deep freeze on a full tank you will run into problems and need to plan ahead, otherwise never an issue. Same as gasoline, they do a winter blend when and where necessary. And NO, no ethanol in diesel.
The fear of gelled diesel is actually overblown. While you are absolutely correct that normal diesel gels when temperatures drop into -5/-10 territory, most gas stations transition to ‘winter diesel’ by the time temps go anywhere near that low, so you are protected from gelling. Just think about it, if gelling was such a huge issue, every time there would be a freeze up, thousands of trucks would not be able to start in the morning and people would have to abandon their cars in the middle of the highway. Obviously, this does not happen.
@Calling Charleston Home some of us don't just camp in our vans. A lot of Van lifers are people with actual jobs in facilities such as healthcare workers. A lot of videos like to show people camping in their vans and working via computer online. But for a lot of us that's not reality. People who work in hospitals clinics etc who travel. But I get what you're saying. But there are a lot of us who love to travel in the cold.
@@knightlyjayful You need good logistics and time to do all that. Buying low-sulfur diesel is good enough because you also have the DEF system if you want to keep things clean. As far as cheap, the Sprinter can get a big fuel tank like 45 gallons. Some year sprinters can get the 47-gallon option. Cruising at 55-60 mph on a cruise setting I'm sure you'll get like 25 mpg to 30 mpg. I can't see the option of opting for a gas engine if diesel is available. Diesel are just THAT INHERENTLY EFFICIENT. I mean, so little is done compared to what you have to do to a gasoline engine to even get the minimum fuel economy of a diesel.
I had both Transit and now 23 sprinter 170 crew AWD. few things I can say is the drivability of the sprinter is unbelievable especially with the electric power steering, the hight of the ride clearance for off road as stock. It's as driving a small SUV and the 360 cameras make it a dream to park and drive in tight spaces, The torque and responsiveness is excellent ( I drive in the High Sierras all the time and it's a dream. And the milage is truly excellent I am averaging 22.2miles /gallon. since new. This van is a well refined vehicle extremely quiet comfortable just, if not more than my 4 runner. I bough it with everything that is available even rear wipers and defrost. There are a lot of things the ford doesn't offer as a option.Yes it cost a pretty penny 23 transit was to cost me $78k out the door not a crew 5 seats, and not with all the options sprinter has, but Sprinter was 20k over Yes it was hard to write that check. So far no regrets.
Good to hear you have a good experience, we have some of those models at FedEx and they keep having to go into the shop for a plethora of issues. It seems all the newer models of sprinters that FedEx uses have terrible quality assurance and it makes me wonder what they're smoking over at Mercedes HQ lol
Real World Experience: I'm 6'4" tall and had a 2020 Winnebago Travato GL (bought it due to COVID and the wife wanted to "Glamp"), sold it after 90 days for MANY reasons. Prior to the Travato I had a bare bones stock 2015 Ford Transit 250 Mid Roof (rolling metal tent for my cot, lawn chair and dual sport motorcycle) and currently own a 2020 Ford Transit 250 High Roof (with Adventure Wagon interior kit and most of the "van life" luxuries...wife is still traveling with me). I've looked at MB High Roof vans (Storyteller Overland, Air Stream Interstate, etc.) at Van Expos. With that, the real world part of all this is - I can't stand up straight without tilting my head in a MB, my head rubbed the finish ceiling of the Travato and I have inches to spare standing straight up in the 2020 Ford Transit 250 High Roof (Winner). PLUS I love the twin turbo ecoboost engine that Ford offers.
Transits are the longest, Promasters are the widest, Promasters are front wheel drive, the other two are rear wheel drive. All three are former European designs used in Europe for decades before being brought to North America. Biodiesel does gel in cold weather but so does diesel, however remember that diesel are the fuel of choice for Antarctic expedition, the fuel just need to be heated for it to flow. Diesel and biodiesel are just as efficient at cold weather but are so efficient that there is little excess heat to use for heating and of course the fuel must be kept warm to flow. Remember that no. 2 heating oil is diesel just dyed to indicate that no road taxes have been charged.
Just purchased a used 2021 Transit. Made it to the part in the video about the mobile hot spot being a battery drain, got a phone call to PU a friend, went to my van, used the remote start feature and Ford Pass hit me with a lo bat warning! So I've turned all connectivity off FTM.
Yes, you made the right choice. I have a 2018 and love it. My first one was a Sprinter and it always broke down. Be safe out there. Hope to see yall out on road. I drive all 48 states. 😁😁😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🚚
Well well well, n1stable thanks for the time invested on the making of this video and it did help a lot because I was really going for the Sprinter but you mention a couple of issues I had my doubts about, so thanks again man, God's bless.
Depends where you are. Have not had any problems servicing my Sprinter and I have had 3 of them. Would not trade it for any of the others although I would say the new 2023 pro masters look sweet with the technology coming out.
@@trevorobier5549 the Promaster is under powered. I saw all the new tech stuff, whatever it’s still the same 3.6L engine. The sprinter is far superior despite some of the cost of ownership issues.
@@trevorobier5549 IF one stays close to where they bought a Sprinter(and the dealership can service/repair it)yeah, it is fine. But in the application of driving to out of the way spots and or journeys away from where you bought a Sprinter, it becomes a consideration. Like Erik said, not all Mercedes dealerships can even work on Sprinters. So, for a lot of people the convenience of being out on the road and having access to more service locations for a product is paramount.
I know someone who hit a deer with their sprinter motor home in Montana. It was tough finding someone to fix it since it was a diesel. It was six weeks until it was drivable. Service makes a difference. (After driving home, had to take it back because they didn’t fix it correctly.). It is nice to drive when it is working though.
Good video, but you left out one of the most important points of comparison - the suitability of the inside evevlope for conversion, and particularly the extra width of the ProMaster, which makes sleeping across the van practical. This makes for a whole new set of interior arrangements. The lower floor of the ProMaster is also a big advantage for the millions of times you will be stepping into and out of the van.
@@SchmittPhysics I share your wish that Toyota would make cargo van that could be converted. The ProMaster is a Fiat Ducato cargo van with a US Pentastar drivetrain. The Ducato is the best selling van in the world, so at least some like it. I had a lot of misgivings about buying it, but I have to say that it has done really well. Its a 2014 with 120,000 miles with no major problems (so far). The ProMaster forum is a really good source of good info on it.
Very good point about the inside envelope. The ProMaster Class B RV's are the only ones I can lay down in crossways direction. I see in the Winnebago Revel (Sprinter chassis) they put a bulge panel where the side window would be to make the bunk longer. That only works if the bunk is high above the floor. As for the front drive / flatter floor, it makes sense, though I don't see it get much notice in the various reviews.
I've seen little gas stations way out in rural Wyoming and Tennessee where the pumps are left on all night for credit card purchases. They didn't have diesel. So for van lifers that are attracted to remote areas, that's a plus for a gas engine -- fuel is more available. Pluses for diesel are a) you can tap into the fuel line to run a diesel heater rather than having to fill a separate little tank, and b) the greater fuel economy of a diesel engine makes for greater range. If I was buying a van I'd pick the Ford too. Ram upgraded the Promaster interior a bit for 2023 BTW.
My Espar M2-B4L heater actually taps into my Transit's gasoline fuel tank and runs off of that, but it certainly was a more expensive heater than the Chinese options you can get on eBay. As for the fuel efficiency of the V6 Ecoboost gas engine on the 350 Transit vs the V6 diesel engine on the 3500 Sprinter - you can look it up on Fuelly and both seem to average 15mpg, though in my personal experience I average 16mpg with Betty, but I also drive like a grandma. ;)
Here in Europe the RAM is badged a Peugeot or Citroen. I have a Transit but our only engine is a 2.0L diesel with 130hp and the Sprinter is only a 2.0L diesel both 4 cylinder. The V6 option to us is mind blowing!
I just ordered a 2022 Silver Transit 250 AWD 148 with medium Roof and an adventure package Plus some other goodies. In Ohio where I live Diesel is $.40 to $.80 cents a gallon more per gallon so NO reason to purchase diesel for economy since the Eco Boost engine is only a couple of miles per gallon less on MPG. It will be early June B-4 I get delivery so I am planning every detail! You as well as the other van lifers are a God send during this process! I can afford to purchase a pre-built RV but there is no fun in that! If you build it; you can trouble shoot issues much easier since you are familiar with most of the products you used in the build. Looking forward to more Vids from you!
Thanks for the vid. Absolutely L O V E my (2020 148wb/Med-Roof/AWD/Eco-boost/ Flex-Fuel) Transit cargo van. I was on my way to a Ram Promaster dealer when I saw her on a Ford commercial vehicle lot. Been un-housed since 2017. Living out of the Transit full time for 2 yrs now (since 2021). Prior to that I was in a stealthed out 2015 Subaru Forester (also dear to my heart). I've probably saved over 86,000 in JUST rent cost since 2017 (Avg $1200 a mo over 6 yrs). I will NEVER go back to paying rent again. I smile every time I start her up.
There are many ways to build wealth without owning a home. I have investment accounts and a 401k via work for starters. Also high- yield savings accounts are nice right now due to raised interest rates. All the money I save on property taxes and maintenance costs goes into my traveling fund to pay for fuel. It's not for everyone but it's been great for me as a single person. 😉
Awesome video! For your battery issue, there are quite a few companies who make adhesive solar panels for vehicles which may be worth looking into. Someone in my area is building an overland toyota tacoma and put a black vinyl wrap on part of his hood, then adhered the solar panel to the vinyl to protect the paint. I'm sure you have plenty or roof space for something like that and they're relatively cheap!
Thank you! And yes, I plan on mounting an array of six 100w solar panels on my roof rack, though those will be spending all of their energy refilling my house batteries and sadly won't be helping the vehicle battery.
@@ErikJohnson2020 ah gotcha! If you haven't already accounted for hood space, you may be able to throw a solar panel on there and run it straight to the vehicle battery but it may not always get the most light with the way the hood is angled. Either way if the house batteries are charged you could always use them or a jump pack to jump the vehicle battery! Best of luck with the build!
Good explanation. This is a very important one because everyone is different and has different reasons. The best way to make the choice is to actually listen to others and why they made decisions
Try a plug in solar panel trickle charge battery system , with electronic stuff constantly on nowadays in vehicle batteries can drain in few , plus if you screw up a jumper start then you could damage some of that electronic stuff and even worse if you fry the vehicle ecm system . Nice video , I totally agree with the Mercedes van issue , I wouldn’t buy one here in the US , look at their 4x4 van used market now , peoples put them for sale everywhere . I still don’t understand why GM hasn’t step in the bigger van size yet ! I got an express 2500 , I like it cause it fit in most underground parking lot , easy to park on street with trees on the side , but I would probably buy a transit when it’s time to change.
Ford Transit is best in my opinion. I’ve owned 2 of the Sprinters and they were nothing but trouble. Tires, breaks every 10-12K and glow plug problems, and a $6,500 transmission was the last straw two Transit replaced them. No problems!
Had a 2014 Sprinter. First year of the I4 engine. Had DEF sensor problems. After 3 times waiting for the dealer and factory to come up with computer fixes the dealer and I lemon lawed it. Mercedes paid for $4600 in U-Haul fees for the 3 times it was in the shop. 2nd sprinter had NO problems all the way up to 146000 miles when I sold it. I loved the van. Consistent 23mpg was great too.
Hey 🤓 super glad to know that you can upgrade from 2 wheel drive to 4wd in the transit... I got a transit 2021 midroof a couple months ago and that was something i wasn't excited about... I totally agree with your thoughts about appearance vs ram (& check the nissan 🙄 ...no) thanks also for sharing the blurb about the battery's I thought something seemed alittle off when I let it sit for a couple months only putting supplies in and measuring and whatnot...went to start it and 🤯...nothing - brand new ... It did start but took a few tries... now I see what was going on. TY
Yeah, I'd suggest keeping your Transit on a battery tender if it's gonna be parked for more than a few days while you're working on is so that the battery doesn't get drained too low by accident. After I let mine drain too low a few times it destroyed the battery and wouldn't even hold a charge. I had to replace it, but thankfully Ford switched mine out free of charge under the 3-year warranty.
Certain 2023-2024 Ford Transit and Transit Trail vans (in the US approximately 76,015 vehicles) have been recalled due to the factory failing to fill the rear differential with the proper amount of fluid, causing premature bearing failure. This could result in rear wheel lockup or driveshaft separation that could cause loss of vehicle control or loss of power, which could result in a crash.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:27 The *initial cost of Ford Transit, Mercedes Sprinter, and Ram Promaster varies, with Transit starting at $48,000 (all-wheel drive), Promaster at $43,000 (two-wheel drive), and Sprinter at $58,000 to $63,000 (four-wheel drive).* 01:48 Ford *Transit allows aftermarket upgrade to four-wheel drive, providing more control compared to all-wheel drive.* 03:00 Mercedes *Sprinter predominantly offers diesel engines, while Promaster and Ford Transit have gasoline options. Biodiesel in Sprinter has issues in cold climates affecting fuel efficiency.* 04:51 Mercedes *Sprinter maintenance can be challenging due to specialized technicians, limited service centers, and complex engines. Ford Transit has widespread availability of mechanics and affordable parts.* 07:09 Aesthetically, *Mercedes Sprinter is considered the most appealing, Promaster is less attractive, and Ford Transit falls in between. Ford Transit's interior design is praised, close to Mercedes Sprinter's quality.* 08:30 Ford *Transit offers a built-in mobile hotspot option with remote access features, but it may drain the primary battery quickly, requiring consideration for battery upgrade.* Made with HARPA AI
I travel overseas to Asia frequently and I see large vans that would make your mouth water.Here in the US it seems we have limited supplies. Does anyone know why? I tried to research it and could not get a good answer. I seen huge Toyota vans for example used to bus groups of people around. That would be sick if we could have those in the US.
Pre emissions. Those are the real million mile sprinters. After 08 it gets more complex and expensive to maintain because of Def systems and emissions goals
Biggest problem with MBZ TD is limitation to 5% biodiesel component. No fuel problems in the cold if #1 diesel is available. Problem: the DEF system freezes at about -14F and the motor control system will allow 9 more starts before limp home mode. This requires dealer reset.
Good points on the differences. I'd like to see a video on any preferences for the cargo area - dimensions, features, etc. (PS: I like that you showed the side view with the camera in the shot. I hate when people do it as if they have a live audience. It's so fake! If they're talking to a camera (online audience), face the camera! Otherwise, who are they talking to?!)
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah I like showing the primary camera or sometimes even the B-camera in the scene with me as an interesting way to change up the view!
The Dodge Promaster have the widest interior. it also ha a super high roof version in 2024.They also use a tried and true V6 normally aspirated motor. Same motor that is used in the Jeeps for over a decade. Front wheel drive,meaning less to go wrong, no drive shaft. They are not the longest 13 4 inches feet long floor interior in the 159 inch wheel base extendend version. Overall the Promaster will cost less in long term maintenance. But the Ford has its pluses as well.But I would go for the ProMaster Van. Amazon uses them and they put alot of wear and tear and milage on them. just satying
You say that, but when the vehicle that holds your entire "house" brakes down, you might suddenly realize the importance of the reliability of the vehicle itself.
I agree, no Sprinter, too expensive and over engineered. I personally prefer Pro Master than Transit, I don't feel Transit looks any better than ProMaster, even it does, I don't care.
I think you get use to the look of the Promaster. It’s utilitarian charm grows on you. The Sprinter is like a wife before having children, good looking for a while but eventually she lets herself go!
The transits are the ugliest vans ever. They remind me of a face with a big long nose and a pointy narrow head. Overall I think the Promaster is much better looking, European looking or not.
Basically I'm a Ford guy because I like the dealer network and Fords generally last a long time like my 300,000 mile trouble free Escape. My old Expedition was also trouble free quiet and comfy as a highway cruise o matic unit with ability to billy goat around steep stuff in Montana as well without breaking. However I bought a new Sprinter , diesel 4wd Thor tranquility after I drove a Transit, was disappointed in that it drove like a truck but with ok power though. The Mercedes just drives and steers a lot nicer. The engine ... I'll have my oil changed in the Mercedes by guys I trust .. the hell with the lack of dealers in the states. Mercedes and BMWs are known as shop queens in the US, but not really the vans. In Morocco, Mercedes run and run over the rocks for decades and keep on tickin' because they're simple for starters then just fix them as needed. Same goes for Sprinters, they are not AMG 5 litre electronic demons like the US high end sedans from hell. They're pretty basic. In Africa I drove the Sprinter which is called a Vito there, S. Africa, Swazi and in Mozambique. They drive like a million bucks, I like the 5 cyl inline better there than the sluggish USA EPA V6 though. Anyhow the USA Mercedes is not fast, drives really nice, it's heavy but does ok. The Ford is sort of rough I think, drives like a truck and I thought it would be a lot better than I found it to be. Both are good. The Ford is probably cheaper to own. The Benz is more fun to own in my opinion. Neither are perfect. The Euro or African versions are both better and faster than the USA EPA versions. I really thought the Transit would be great but I hated the seat, nowhere comfortable to rest your arms, it felt like a cheap plastic rubbermaid trash bucket of a door panel and dash, uncomfortable driving position, what the hell. By the way the ProMaster has the sweetest interior it's just that I didn't trust US Chrysler. Maybe it was the best one of the 3 who knows. Anyway flip a coin.
Tks for the vid! Unfortunately I don't have much faith in either the Transit or Promaster for the long haul (ie. reliability. IIt's a case of they dont make 'em like they used to. I would love to see an episode on "vintage" 90's vans" like the Econoline, Chevy G20, or GMC Vandura. They may fail but you only need to fix them once. Can't be said for the new ones.
Thanks for this. We've had battery drain problems with other vehicles (not vans) before and it's a real pain. Talk about getting stranded or being left high-and-dry when you need a vehicle most! It can really happen. That's definitely a point to consider. You'd think these car companies could get themselves together and actually manufacture vehicles without major problems.
Good Video. Im planning on buying a van when I become homeless soon. I do like the Sprinter but the Transit may be the way to go. Plan on living in it and trading out of it as well as selling at weekend markets around the country on weekends. My biggest concern is gas mileage.
On the surface, fuel costs are probably cheaper on a mile-per-mile basis with a diesel engine. However, whatever you might save on fuel you'll end up paying back and then some in maintenance and service fees with the Mercedes. You gotta pick your poison. At least fuel gets bonus points on most credit cards. 😉
Vans have had central locking (power locks) since 2000 as standard and the 1990s as an option. The Ford Transit was the first cargo van in the world to come standard central locking (european transit) in 2000. Also diesel vans are far superior, I'm just talking about diesel, not biodiesel, they are better for big heavy cargo vans than petrol (gasoline) engines.
Yeah, sadly here in the US most states are legislating a mandatory shift to Biodiesel and effectively "outlawing" regular diesel, despite biodiesel having a whole range of negative issues.
I went with the Sprinter in 2022. The Mercedes “ownership” experience is terrible. I wanted a 4x4, and it was nearly impossible, unless I was willing to pay an upcharge of $7,500-$20k! I wasn’t, and finally took what I could find at MSRP. Little did I know, unless your Sprinter comes with something from the factory, Mercedes refuses to sell it to you. In fact, the wiring harness will only accept your specified options from the factory. It’s a joke and super frustrating. An upfitter might me able to get some options for you. Want factory swivel seats…thousands! Instead of that $300 option from the factory.
I just brought the ford transit 250. The best thing about it is get the base 3.7 liter it the most torquey engine I’ve seen even in cars. And I switch from a 195 351 . It less than 1/2 the size but has more pulling away without even useing 25% of power, it shifts to 2 th at 10 mph so you’re not wasting gas. I drove for 4 days and it was above to just at full line. My ford van uses 40 buck a week. This is more than double mpg Iam getting 16 city and almost 20 hwy this is unreal for a 250 and hauling about 1,500 lv weight. And it drive as a car so happy I pick the right choice
I ordered my Ford Transit with the options I see you have. It is on order and may take 8 months to get. I just subscribed and am going to watch your progress!!
I don’t know about the US market but some things you are talking about the Transit doesn’t work outside the US. So in Europe the sprinter would be the much better choice by using after sale up fitting like Iglhaut or Oberaigner for the 4x4. These options are nots available for The RAM / Fiat or the Transit in Europe, so you won’t get the same off-road capability in Europe. Also the reliability of a Sprinter seems to be much higher in Europe than in the US. Sure they have issues, every van has, but they’re much more reliable than Fiat (RAM) or even Transits. So here in Europe I completely would disagree with the choice. But at the end it depends on what you want to do with it. Also I wouldn’t really expect that the parts of a F-350 will fit a Transit since the F-350 is a US constructed van whitest the Transit was constructed in Europe (Ford Germany). Also fairly enough the Fiat / RAM offers the best space / volume inside, the Transit also offers very straight walls, a big disadvantage of the Sprinter with its smaller top walls
My sister and brother in law have a sprinter and drove to visit us in FL from CA and they had a breakdown here. They had to tow it 2 hrs away to get it to a dealer that could actually repair it and it was almost 4k for the repair.
Great video, Eric. I liked that you showed the side view of your camera set up too 😊 Question: what about the interior dimensions of the Transit - narrowness, straight walls, height options, etc. vs. Sprinter (very narrow and in-sloping at top) and Promaster (wider and boxier)? How did it affect your build out? Thanks!!
HA! Yeah I don't really see too many people giving a candid look at what it really looks like talking to a camera by yourself. And that's a very fair question about the differing dimensions, and one that several people have asked, but in my case I honestly didn't give any weight to the exact dimensions of the height or width of any of the vans. Assuming you're getting a high roof, and the extended length, they're all big. I felt like it was a better idea to prioritize the elements of the van that you couldn't adapt to, such as how hard it would be to find qualified repairs and service, or what kind of drivetrain the van had. Anyway, hope that helps!
I suggest visiting the Humble Road You Tube channel. Search for the “Transit? Sprinter? Promaster?” Video. He gives very detailed dimension comparisons for all three makers. There are other videos where you may also find the info as he does phenomenal build outs on all sizes and variations… i.e. long bed/high roof, etc. Good luck.
I was thinking about the maintenance costs more than the purchase costs. But yeah, I like the look of the Transit as much as the the Sprinter. so it's a no brainer for me, Transit it is.
I’ve spent 3 years toting every tool and tester I own from home, to my car, to my work vehicle, back to my car and back home. It’s annoying, especially on days I need a ladder. I’m hunting a Transit.
My Mercedes fell apart at 200k. My ram has an obnoxious steering wheel and the cup holders suck (important when you live in it 8 hrs a day for work). I can’t comment on the Ram durability. I don’t know if I like it more than the Mercedes because it’s new but I am glad to be rid of my Mercedes. Fords weren’t available when my bosses were getting the Ram. The Ram gas van gets 15-20 mpg for me loaded. The diesel Mercedes got over 20. If your driving them a lot, diesel is the way.
I’m surprised you didn’t include interior usable length, width, and height with the different extended height, wheel base and bed lengths available for each as a category. The dodge is the widest available and its boxy shape is great for build out, plus now the The new super-high ProMaster stands at 86 inches (7 feet 2 inches), making giving it the most headroom. Ford offers the longest bed available and use to have the most extended headroom. Mercedes is best if you’re abroad in Europe due to its narrower body which is an advantage with narrower streets. Although the Mercedes, while really nice looking and has a great cab interior is actually underpowered for true off-road performance. While I agree your categories are incredibly important and things like maintenance availability and cost are often overlooked, build space is usually the first thing considered when building out a van.
I read somewhere I think it was 2020, Ford engineers went to Norcal to talk with van dwellers and get some tips on what they would like since van dwelling has been booming. I'm glad Ford got rid of that tiny dinky little screen in the dash and went with the big touch screen behind you. They also did AWD as an option. Good job, Ford. I wish they'd give the Transit and the Transit Connect diesel options for fuel range. 3:49 Diesel can freeze if you let it. You have to buy an anti-gelling liquid. They are not expensive. It's like Stabil for gasoline, but for anti-gelling in diesel fuel. Diesel is a superior fuel. The engine is very efficient compared to a gasoline engine.
Do you have to open your doors to swivel the seats? With regards to maintenance, I completely agree. The simplicity of the pro master and it’s Pentastar motor as well as the Fort, a really big deals. If you’re a local delivery guy that’s a different story.
I dont HAVE to open the doors to swivel the seats around, but I have noticed the swivel base will rub on the door in the process and is starting to leave little scuff marks, so if you want to avoid that you'd want to open the doors.
liked and subscribed for your honest opinion on your van choice... i was hesitant against the ford cause i drive it every day for work... but i guess it is reliable
Thank you so much for this video, am looking to buy one of these for my millwork business here in Florida. I’ll most likely end up going for the transit high roof.
I did some more reading on the build your own Sprinter. The cargo capacity on the 2500 is between 4,000 and 5,000. Don't remember exactly. The Transit 350 single wheel is about 9,000 or 9,900,not sure. The Sprinter has swivel and power seat for about $2,500. I would appreciate any comments. I'm still looking at this time.
Well for nearly $1,600 extra for just having power adjustments... I'd probably put that into a better fridge, or more battery storage (Which you'll use every day vs however often you have someone else driving your car)
I have had one unexpected issue after using my Transit "Glampervan" conversion during the last 6 months. When I open a window when driving, I get a "farmyard" smell in the van. Turns out that air is being sucked through the Airhead composting toilet exhaust fan (8CFM) vent that is connected to the solids container! I fixed that by adding a second much stronger (130CFM) "booster" fan to the end of the exhaust tube, that I turn on manually before opening the window. I turn it off when the van is at rest, because it is noisy and draws more power. The small 8cfm fan that came with the Airhead is still on all the time. I have been wondering why more people have not mentioned this issue....any thoughts? Just be prepared for this issue if you are using a composting toilet.
Very informative video. Facing the same decisions here soon. By the way, loving the Channel Fireball hat. Wish they hadn't changed their logo, that one was iconic.
A lot of them are just rebranded sprinters mycdi has 300,000 Mi runs perfect and I get 500 600-700 almost 800 miles per tank depending on if I'm on the highway or not 500 in the city
Good luck with your van, there is no right and wrong choice, only a personal one. And that can even depend on where in the planet you live, since I would never even consider a Ford given its history of problems that we have seen in the past in Europe with the Transit. Biodiesel? Never, Fiat Ducato (your ram promaster) even adviced against using it risking your warranty back in the day I was in the market for a motorhome. Just plain normal diesel, but that is a more accepted source of fuel here compared to the US. I would have gone for the roomier Ducato or the Man tge/VW Crafter, Mercedes is nice and quality etc but has a rost issue and as you say, a price issue. Enjoy your build and your Ford. That is all that matters.
Your insulation video came up today December 30,2021. I have been watching build videos and new class B van videos. I believe the gas Sprinter max is 170 2500. Would be good to find a video explaining all the options and packages. I have discovered the RV manufacturers don't use a power driver's seat. Some custom builders might. Not sure which van has power seat and swivel.
@@emilyacoxpsychic Ford does have factory swivel seats. But you can't get swivel with power. The Sprinter you can get both. I don't know about 2023 models.
Yeah, we're seeing similar demand issues here in the states too. Back when I was hunting for my van I had a super tough time finding any reasonable milage used vans that weren't within spitting distance price wise of a brand new full warranty vehicle. It also drove home the reality of how well these cargo vans hold their value over time, even with high mileage.
I think, this just sold me on Ford or Dodge, even though I don't care for either, and I love German tools.
The maintenance issues sound like what I would imagine.
4 vehicles, and some company vehicles, have gotten me from 19 to 41 years old. I definitely prefer my Honda and Saturn to the Ford and Chevy. I definitely love German tools above all, and I've heard great things about their motor.
However, I don't want to be stuck like Chuck, without an available mechanic.
Thanks, for the video =)
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Drove the Ford transit since 0 miles, 16 hours a day and in the first years had to replace ball joints, transmission, brakes and alignment job along with bulb lights and other minor, fueses issues. the amount of time spent on on the dealer was insanely and fuel economy wasn't good either. This video need an update to see if he is still happy with the FT.
Bought a New Transit Wagon in 2015 spec it out to my needs been very reliable getting 20.2 avg . MPG been very happy with it and would buy another one.
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The Ford will do if you don't drive long distances or are shorter than 5-11. Other wise you need to make sure the wheel well hump on the floor isn't going to cramp up you left leg.
I’ve driven all three at my hotel shuttle job, and my favourite is the Ford Transit. The Mercedes (durabus conversion) is very nice inside w a flush passenger door, but I still like the Ford better. It’s a 9 seater w space in the back for luggage, the ride is comfortable, the console area is nice w all the cup holders and areas to store stuff and I like having a seat next to me to put my personal items within arms reach. The sprinter had no seat next to me so I had to put my stuff in the overhead rack. Even my guests commented on how much they liked the Ford Transit. I enjoyed your video, cheers from Toronto.
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. I went with 2024 RAM: front-wheel drive thus drives well full or empty, dealers everywhere, great gas mileage for a van, 9-speed trans, smallest turn radius, rear stocks don't hang low, price is great and more.
any reliability issues so far?
@@delamangaprofuctions1895 Not, but I have only 9,000 miles. The 6-speed trans I heard was a dog. The engine's only weak stop is the valve lifters. If they start to tick at bout 60,00 miles, new lifts are needed. My thinking is the money I save up front (not buying a Ford or Mez) , I will save and spend on lifters later.
I appreciate knowing the maintence costs on the vehicles. When you are broke down you want it fixed asap and not too expensive. Great video. Thank you
We have a 2021 transit 350 conversion for pleasure way and the Ford driving experience, quality, reliability, etc. Etc. Cannot be beat!
Was set on a sprinter, but now I’ll be researching the transit more. Great info. Subscribed
Yeah. I just bought a new transit. Over the others. Drives like a dream empty or loaded. Crazy tech too.
Love your video. Thank you. I have driven Sprinters from the beginning. Early 2000's to now. They were garbage when they first came out. Tires were way too small. Engines were garbage, no techs at dealerships that were trained on the sprinters specifically. Turn around times were ridiculous etc. I am very convinced thanks to your video and others that I would buy the Transit. I have an Expedition and I am totally impressed by the performance of the EcoBoost V-6 Twin turbo engine. Plenty of power pulling a travel trailer up the canyons here in Utah. Just the number of service dealerships across the country are enough to make me commit to Ford. Mercedes just doesn't listen to their customers. They could own the market if they would just listen and react to the people who buy their products. Stupid way to run a business. Once again, thank you Sir.
I was watching another You Tube channel where this lady bought a brand new Sprinter. BRAND NEW and she had an engine light which the dealer was able to at least go away but she was told it may very likely come back on. So she brings it back home and I saw one of her fog lights didn't work. Mercedes is over rated. I just ordered the 2023 Ford Transit Trail. Hoping I see it sometime in my lifetime. LOL.
I drove Mercedes Sprinter for Mammoth mountain ski area for about four years; it was my job to transport guests from the hotels belonging to the company to the four lodges and various other access points to all chair lifts. At night (my shifts were ending 11:00 PM) I would go and pick them up from their dinner tables at all the restaurants in the area. There were nights in the winter, when the temperature was as low as around 10 degrees F. This means that it could have been 4-5F(I had thermometer values in the dashboard cluster, but it has been some years since that job) - never had an issue as freezing diesel fuel. Just wanted to quickly clarify that.
Bio-diesel will freeze, regular diesel won't because it contains ethanol.
Lots of misinformation on DIESEL here. If you live anywhere where temps can start to approach critical temps for diesel they automatically do a winter blend at the refinery to prevent cold weather thickening. If you go from Southern California to a mid west deep freeze on a full tank you will run into problems and need to plan ahead, otherwise never an issue. Same as gasoline, they do a winter blend when and where necessary. And NO, no ethanol in diesel.
@darb4091 and there is not that much of effective difference between the blends at least in my experience
The fear of gelled diesel is actually overblown. While you are absolutely correct that normal diesel gels when temperatures drop into -5/-10 territory, most gas stations transition to ‘winter diesel’ by the time temps go anywhere near that low, so you are protected from gelling. Just think about it, if gelling was such a huge issue, every time there would be a freeze up, thousands of trucks would not be able to start in the morning and people would have to abandon their cars in the middle of the highway. Obviously, this does not happen.
Bio diesel is significantly worse than regular diesel and I think he was looking at it as an eco friendly alternative.
@Calling Charleston Home People who love and follow cold weather for winter sports are sometimes in those temperatures.
@Calling Charleston Home people who like to live in cold weather. Ummm Alaska.
@Calling Charleston Home some of us don't just camp in our vans. A lot of Van lifers are people with actual jobs in facilities such as healthcare workers. A lot of videos like to show people camping in their vans and working via computer online. But for a lot of us that's not reality. People who work in hospitals clinics etc who travel. But I get what you're saying. But there are a lot of us who love to travel in the cold.
@@knightlyjayful You need good logistics and time to do all that. Buying low-sulfur diesel is good enough because you also have the DEF system if you want to keep things clean. As far as cheap, the Sprinter can get a big fuel tank like 45 gallons. Some year sprinters can get the 47-gallon option. Cruising at 55-60 mph on a cruise setting I'm sure you'll get like 25 mpg to 30 mpg. I can't see the option of opting for a gas engine if diesel is available. Diesel are just THAT INHERENTLY EFFICIENT. I mean, so little is done compared to what you have to do to a gasoline engine to even get the minimum fuel economy of a diesel.
I had both Transit and now 23 sprinter 170 crew AWD. few things I can say is the drivability of the sprinter is unbelievable especially with the electric power steering, the hight of the ride clearance for off road as stock. It's as driving a small SUV and the 360 cameras make it a dream to park and drive in tight spaces, The torque and responsiveness is excellent ( I drive in the High Sierras all the time and it's a dream. And the milage is truly excellent I am averaging 22.2miles /gallon. since new. This van is a well refined vehicle extremely quiet comfortable just, if not more than my 4 runner. I bough it with everything that is available even rear wipers and defrost. There are a lot of things the ford doesn't offer as a option.Yes it cost a pretty penny 23 transit was to cost me $78k out the door not a crew 5 seats, and not with all the options sprinter has, but Sprinter was 20k over Yes it was hard to write that check. So far no regrets.
Good to hear you have a good experience, we have some of those models at FedEx and they keep having to go into the shop for a plethora of issues. It seems all the newer models of sprinters that FedEx uses have terrible quality assurance and it makes me wonder what they're smoking over at Mercedes HQ lol
Real World Experience: I'm 6'4" tall and had a 2020 Winnebago Travato GL (bought it due to COVID and the wife wanted to "Glamp"), sold it after 90 days for MANY reasons. Prior to the Travato I had a bare bones stock 2015 Ford Transit 250 Mid Roof (rolling metal tent for my cot, lawn chair and dual sport motorcycle) and currently own a 2020 Ford Transit 250 High Roof (with Adventure Wagon interior kit and most of the "van life" luxuries...wife is still traveling with me). I've looked at MB High Roof vans (Storyteller Overland, Air Stream Interstate, etc.) at Van Expos. With that, the real world part of all this is - I can't stand up straight without tilting my head in a MB, my head rubbed the finish ceiling of the Travato and I have inches to spare standing straight up in the 2020 Ford Transit 250 High Roof (Winner). PLUS I love the twin turbo ecoboost engine that Ford offers.
this is the comment i look for. im 6'1 so finding something with standing room is a must. appreciate the comment
Transits are the longest, Promasters are the widest, Promasters are front wheel drive, the other two are rear wheel drive. All three are former European designs used in Europe for decades before being brought to North America. Biodiesel does gel in cold weather but so does diesel, however remember that diesel are the fuel of choice for Antarctic expedition, the fuel just need to be heated for it to flow. Diesel and biodiesel are just as efficient at cold weather but are so efficient that there is little excess heat to use for heating and of course the fuel must be kept warm to flow. Remember that no. 2 heating oil is diesel just dyed to indicate that no road taxes have been charged.
Just purchased a used 2021 Transit. Made it to the part in the video about the mobile hot spot being a battery drain, got a phone call to PU a friend, went to my van, used the remote start feature and Ford Pass hit me with a lo bat warning! So I've turned all connectivity off FTM.
To add, the seller (Enterprise used cars) made good on the bad battery.
Yes, you made the right choice. I have a 2018 and love it. My first one was a Sprinter and it always broke down. Be safe out there. Hope to see yall out on road. I drive all 48 states. 😁😁😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🚚
Well well well, n1stable thanks for the time invested on the making of this video and it did help a lot because I was really going for the Sprinter but you mention a couple of issues I had my doubts about, so thanks again man, God's bless.
I totally agree, serviceability makes the sprinter “not a van” in my records. It’s something that’s not talked about nearly as much
Exactly! Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment!
Depends where you are. Have not had any problems servicing my Sprinter and I have had 3 of them. Would not trade it for any of the others although I would say the new 2023 pro masters look sweet with the technology coming out.
@@trevorobier5549 the Promaster is under powered. I saw all the new tech stuff, whatever it’s still the same 3.6L engine. The sprinter is far superior despite some of the cost of ownership issues.
@@trevorobier5549 IF one stays close to where they bought a Sprinter(and the dealership can service/repair it)yeah, it is fine. But in the application of driving to out of the way spots and or journeys away from where you bought a Sprinter, it becomes a consideration. Like Erik said, not all Mercedes dealerships can even work on Sprinters. So, for a lot of people the convenience of being out on the road and having access to more service locations for a product is paramount.
I know someone who hit a deer with their sprinter motor home in Montana. It was tough finding someone to fix it since it was a diesel. It was six weeks until it was drivable. Service makes a difference. (After driving home, had to take it back because they didn’t fix it correctly.). It is nice to drive when it is working though.
Good video, but you left out one of the most important points of comparison - the suitability of the inside evevlope for conversion, and particularly the extra width of the ProMaster, which makes sleeping across the van practical. This makes for a whole new set of interior arrangements.
The lower floor of the ProMaster is also a big advantage for the millions of times you will be stepping into and out of the van.
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I share your wish that Toyota would make cargo van that could be converted.
The ProMaster is a Fiat Ducato cargo van with a US Pentastar drivetrain. The Ducato is the best selling van in the world, so at least some like it.
I had a lot of misgivings about buying it, but I have to say that it has done really well. Its a 2014 with 120,000 miles with no major problems (so far).
The ProMaster forum is a really good source of good info on it.
the Promaster is a FIAT metal box w/ Chrysler engine/Trans.
Very good point about the inside envelope. The ProMaster Class B RV's are the only ones I can lay down in crossways direction. I see in the Winnebago Revel (Sprinter chassis) they put a bulge panel where the side window would be to make the bunk longer. That only works if the bunk is high above the floor. As for the front drive / flatter floor, it makes sense, though I don't see it get much notice in the various reviews.
I've seen little gas stations way out in rural Wyoming and Tennessee where the pumps are left on all night for credit card purchases. They didn't have diesel. So for van lifers that are attracted to remote areas, that's a plus for a gas engine -- fuel is more available. Pluses for diesel are a) you can tap into the fuel line to run a diesel heater rather than having to fill a separate little tank, and b) the greater fuel economy of a diesel engine makes for greater range. If I was buying a van I'd pick the Ford too. Ram upgraded the Promaster interior a bit for 2023 BTW.
My Espar M2-B4L heater actually taps into my Transit's gasoline fuel tank and runs off of that, but it certainly was a more expensive heater than the Chinese options you can get on eBay.
As for the fuel efficiency of the V6 Ecoboost gas engine on the 350 Transit vs the V6 diesel engine on the 3500 Sprinter - you can look it up on Fuelly and both seem to average 15mpg, though in my personal experience I average 16mpg with Betty, but I also drive like a grandma. ;)
Here in Europe the RAM is badged a Peugeot or Citroen. I have a Transit but our only engine is a 2.0L diesel with 130hp and the Sprinter is only a 2.0L diesel both 4 cylinder. The V6 option to us is mind blowing!
I just purchased a diesel 2012 Mercedes Sprinter van it was previously owned by FedEx and has 486,000 on it and it runs and drives great
Thoughts and prayers
I just ordered a 2022 Silver Transit 250 AWD 148 with medium Roof and an adventure package Plus some other goodies. In Ohio where I live Diesel is $.40 to $.80 cents a gallon more per gallon so NO reason to purchase diesel for economy since the Eco Boost engine is only a couple of miles per gallon less on MPG. It will be early June B-4 I get delivery so I am planning every detail! You as well as the other van lifers are a God send during this process! I can afford to purchase a pre-built RV but there is no fun in that! If you build it; you can trouble shoot issues much easier since you are familiar with most of the products you used in the build. Looking forward to more Vids from you!
Thanks for the vid. Absolutely L O V E my (2020 148wb/Med-Roof/AWD/Eco-boost/ Flex-Fuel) Transit cargo van. I was on my way to a Ram Promaster dealer when I saw her on a Ford commercial vehicle lot. Been un-housed since 2017. Living out of the Transit full time for 2 yrs now (since 2021). Prior to that I was in a stealthed out 2015 Subaru Forester (also dear to my heart). I've probably saved over 86,000 in JUST rent cost since 2017 (Avg $1200 a mo over 6 yrs). I will NEVER go back to paying rent again. I smile every time I start her up.
You also missed out on a great opportunity to build wealth by not owning a home for the last 6 years.
There are many ways to build wealth without owning a home. I have investment accounts and a 401k via work for starters. Also high- yield savings accounts are nice right now due to raised interest rates. All the money I save on property taxes and maintenance costs goes into my traveling fund to pay for fuel. It's not for everyone but it's been great for me as a single person. 😉
Awesome video! For your battery issue, there are quite a few companies who make adhesive solar panels for vehicles which may be worth looking into. Someone in my area is building an overland toyota tacoma and put a black vinyl wrap on part of his hood, then adhered the solar panel to the vinyl to protect the paint. I'm sure you have plenty or roof space for something like that and they're relatively cheap!
Thank you! And yes, I plan on mounting an array of six 100w solar panels on my roof rack, though those will be spending all of their energy refilling my house batteries and sadly won't be helping the vehicle battery.
@@ErikJohnson2020 ah gotcha! If you haven't already accounted for hood space, you may be able to throw a solar panel on there and run it straight to the vehicle battery but it may not always get the most light with the way the hood is angled. Either way if the house batteries are charged you could always use them or a jump pack to jump the vehicle battery! Best of luck with the build!
@@ErikJohnson2020 How do the three compare on ground clearance?
I also heard that in case of a breakdown, it may take weeks before a Mercedes dealer could take your vehicle in.
Didn't expect to see Channel Fireball merch on the Van conversion video haha, thanks for the great informative video!
Mtg for life! 😉
Glad you enjoyed the content, and thank you for taking the time to comment!
Good explanation. This is a very important one because everyone is different and has different reasons. The best way to make the choice is to actually listen to others and why they made decisions
Couldn't agree with you more! Thanks for commenting!!
Try a plug in solar panel trickle charge battery system , with electronic stuff constantly on nowadays in vehicle batteries can drain in few , plus if you screw up a jumper start then you could damage some of that electronic stuff and even worse if you fry the vehicle ecm system . Nice video , I totally agree with the Mercedes van issue , I wouldn’t buy one here in the US , look at their 4x4 van used market now , peoples put them for sale everywhere . I still don’t understand why GM hasn’t step in the bigger van size yet ! I got an express 2500 , I like it cause it fit in most underground parking lot , easy to park on street with trees on the side , but I would probably buy a transit when it’s time to change.
Ford Transit is best in my opinion. I’ve owned 2 of the Sprinters and they were nothing but trouble. Tires, breaks every 10-12K and glow plug problems, and a $6,500 transmission was the last straw two Transit replaced them. No problems!
Yeah, maintenance on the Sprinters is nuts. 🤑🤑🤑
I formerly owned a transit
Now I have a Nissan cargo
Miss the transit
Badly
Had a 2014 Sprinter. First year of the I4 engine. Had DEF sensor problems. After 3 times waiting for the dealer and factory to come up with computer fixes the dealer and I lemon lawed it. Mercedes paid for $4600 in U-Haul fees for the 3 times it was in the shop. 2nd sprinter had NO problems all the way up to 146000 miles when I sold it. I loved the van. Consistent 23mpg was great too.
Hey 🤓 super glad to know that you can upgrade from 2 wheel drive to 4wd in the transit... I got a transit 2021 midroof a couple months ago and that was something i wasn't excited about... I totally agree with your thoughts about appearance vs ram (& check the nissan 🙄 ...no) thanks also for sharing the blurb about the battery's I thought something seemed alittle off when I let it sit for a couple months only putting supplies in and measuring and whatnot...went to start it and 🤯...nothing - brand new ...
It did start but took a few tries... now I see what was going on. TY
Yeah, I'd suggest keeping your Transit on a battery tender if it's gonna be parked for more than a few days while you're working on is so that the battery doesn't get drained too low by accident. After I let mine drain too low a few times it destroyed the battery and wouldn't even hold a charge. I had to replace it, but thankfully Ford switched mine out free of charge under the 3-year warranty.
Quigly who does the 4x4 conversion had a limit on miles and age on vans they will convert.
Only options at this stage for the 4x4 conversion are Quigly and QuadVan and they only convert up to the 2019 model year.
@@ErikJohnson2020 so can you pull the fuse for the wi-fi hot spot when not in use?
Certain 2023-2024 Ford Transit and Transit Trail vans (in the US approximately 76,015 vehicles) have been recalled due to the factory failing to fill the rear differential with the proper amount of fluid, causing premature bearing failure. This could result in rear wheel lockup or driveshaft separation that could cause loss of vehicle control or loss of power, which could result in a crash.
Graxxxiazz for a great video, great info....just placed order for 250 mid roof. The wait is 4 to 8 months. Riverside CA
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00:27 The *initial cost of Ford Transit, Mercedes Sprinter, and Ram Promaster varies, with Transit starting at $48,000 (all-wheel drive), Promaster at $43,000 (two-wheel drive), and Sprinter at $58,000 to $63,000 (four-wheel drive).*
01:48 Ford *Transit allows aftermarket upgrade to four-wheel drive, providing more control compared to all-wheel drive.*
03:00 Mercedes *Sprinter predominantly offers diesel engines, while Promaster and Ford Transit have gasoline options. Biodiesel in Sprinter has issues in cold climates affecting fuel efficiency.*
04:51 Mercedes *Sprinter maintenance can be challenging due to specialized technicians, limited service centers, and complex engines. Ford Transit has widespread availability of mechanics and affordable parts.*
07:09 Aesthetically, *Mercedes Sprinter is considered the most appealing, Promaster is less attractive, and Ford Transit falls in between. Ford Transit's interior design is praised, close to Mercedes Sprinter's quality.*
08:30 Ford *Transit offers a built-in mobile hotspot option with remote access features, but it may drain the primary battery quickly, requiring consideration for battery upgrade.*
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Thank you. I am in the research phase. New to the class B game. Very helpful tips.
You're more than welcome!
I travel overseas to Asia frequently and I see large vans that would make your mouth water.Here in the US it seems we have limited supplies. Does anyone know why? I tried to research it and could not get a good answer. I seen huge Toyota vans for example used to bus groups of people around. That would be sick if we could have those in the US.
Do you have pictures of them ?
WOW!!!!
sounds nice !
@@kday9438 search Toyota Hiace but there are other models too I think. Don t have photos but I’ll look online.
I drive a 2006 T1N Sprinter.
By far, the best truck I've ever owned. Good video, thanks.
Pre emissions. Those are the real million mile sprinters. After 08 it gets more complex and expensive to maintain because of Def systems and emissions goals
"Instant Sub" quality video. Thanks bro cheers!
Great help , definitely getting the AWD or 4x4 depending what’s available
Yes I would get the Ford Van as well. And that's good Information. About swapping out the Drive Train for a 4×4 from like a F250 or Fw350
Awesome video all the way to the end!!! Thanks Erik
Nice simple comparison. I didn’t know about the Ford hotspot, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed the video enough to watch till the end!
Biggest problem with MBZ TD is limitation to 5% biodiesel component. No fuel problems in the cold if #1 diesel is available. Problem: the DEF system freezes at about -14F and the motor control system will allow 9 more starts before limp home mode. This requires dealer reset.
Good points on the differences. I'd like to see a video on any preferences for the cargo area - dimensions, features, etc. (PS: I like that you showed the side view with the camera in the shot. I hate when people do it as if they have a live audience. It's so fake! If they're talking to a camera (online audience), face the camera! Otherwise, who are they talking to?!)
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah I like showing the primary camera or sometimes even the B-camera in the scene with me as an interesting way to change up the view!
The Dodge Promaster have the widest interior. it also ha a super high roof version in 2024.They also use a tried and true V6 normally aspirated motor. Same motor that is used in the Jeeps for over a decade. Front wheel drive,meaning less to go wrong, no drive shaft. They are not the longest 13 4 inches feet long floor interior in the 159 inch wheel base extendend version. Overall the Promaster will cost less in long term maintenance. But the Ford has its pluses as well.But I would go for the ProMaster Van. Amazon uses them and they put alot of wear and tear and milage on them. just satying
Ram is the best. I've owned three 1500 quads with 5.7L hemis and now a TRX, and I have a 2023 promaster 2500. All excellent.
Awesome information. I changed my mind.. Im going for the Transit instead of Sprinter
Room is paramount for me. So the van that has the most size option would get my nod
You say that, but when the vehicle that holds your entire "house" brakes down, you might suddenly realize the importance of the reliability of the vehicle itself.
@@ErikJohnson2020 Strong point. Thank you
I agree, no Sprinter, too expensive and over engineered.
I personally prefer Pro Master than Transit, I don't feel Transit looks any better than ProMaster, even it does, I don't care.
I think you get use to the look of the Promaster. It’s utilitarian charm grows on you. The Sprinter is like a wife before having children, good looking for a while but eventually she lets herself go!
The 2023 Promaster with new chrome RAM grill and the LED lights makes it more beautiful than Transit and Sprinter combined 😍
The transits are the ugliest vans ever. They remind me of a face with a big long nose and a pointy narrow head. Overall I think the Promaster is much better looking, European looking or not.
I also have a Transit. I love it for the same reasons you do.
Good information, I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Ecoboost engine's performance versus the competition.
This video help me and make a lot of sense, make me change my mind. Very strong points.
Basically I'm a Ford guy because I like the dealer network and Fords generally last a long time like my 300,000 mile trouble free Escape. My old Expedition was also trouble free quiet and comfy as a highway cruise o matic unit with ability to billy goat around steep stuff in Montana as well without breaking.
However I bought a new Sprinter , diesel 4wd Thor tranquility after I drove a Transit, was disappointed in that it drove like a truck but with ok power though. The Mercedes just drives and steers a lot nicer. The engine ... I'll have my oil changed in the Mercedes by guys I trust .. the hell with the lack of dealers in the states. Mercedes and BMWs are known as shop queens in the US, but not really the vans. In Morocco, Mercedes run and run over the rocks for decades and keep on tickin' because they're simple for starters then just fix them as needed. Same goes for Sprinters, they are not AMG 5 litre electronic demons like the US high end sedans from hell. They're pretty basic.
In Africa I drove the Sprinter which is called a Vito there, S. Africa, Swazi and in Mozambique. They drive like a million bucks, I like the 5 cyl inline better there than the sluggish USA EPA V6 though. Anyhow the USA Mercedes is not fast, drives really nice, it's heavy but does ok. The Ford is sort of rough I think, drives like a truck and I thought it would be a lot better than I found it to be. Both are good. The Ford is probably cheaper to own. The Benz is more fun to own in my opinion. Neither are perfect. The Euro or African versions are both better and faster than the USA EPA versions. I really thought the Transit would be great but I hated the seat, nowhere comfortable to rest your arms, it felt like a cheap plastic rubbermaid trash bucket of a door panel and dash, uncomfortable driving position, what the hell. By the way the ProMaster has the sweetest interior it's just that I didn't trust US Chrysler. Maybe it was the best one of the 3 who knows. Anyway flip a coin.
I just bought a very sexy high roof extended AWD Transit in Carbonized Gray. Can't wait to have it built into my home.
A big deal buster for me is the rear wheel drive on the Ford, been there done that. No traction in the snow compared to the front wheel drive Ram...
Betty has AWD and handles amazingly well in fresh snow, even up to the axels.
Tks for the vid! Unfortunately I don't have much faith in either the Transit or Promaster for the long haul (ie. reliability. IIt's a case of they dont make 'em like they used to. I would love to see an episode on "vintage" 90's vans" like the Econoline, Chevy G20, or GMC Vandura. They may fail but you only need to fix them once. Can't be said for the new ones.
Thanks for this. We've had battery drain problems with other vehicles (not vans) before and it's a real pain. Talk about getting stranded or being left high-and-dry when you need a vehicle most! It can really happen. That's definitely a point to consider. You'd think these car companies could get themselves together and actually manufacture vehicles without major problems.
Yeah, this one caught me off-guard for sure, especially since it was less than a year old, but after Ford replaced the battery, no issues so far. 🤞
Good Video. Im planning on buying a van when I become homeless soon. I do like the Sprinter but the Transit may be the way to go. Plan on living in it and trading out of it as well as selling at weekend markets around the country on weekends. My biggest concern is gas mileage.
On the surface, fuel costs are probably cheaper on a mile-per-mile basis with a diesel engine. However, whatever you might save on fuel you'll end up paying back and then some in maintenance and service fees with the Mercedes.
You gotta pick your poison.
At least fuel gets bonus points on most credit cards. 😉
Transit is top on the list. I want to find info on the dually versions.
Vans have had central locking (power locks) since 2000 as standard and the 1990s as an option. The Ford Transit was the first cargo van in the world to come standard central locking (european transit) in 2000.
Also diesel vans are far superior, I'm just talking about diesel, not biodiesel, they are better for big heavy cargo vans than petrol (gasoline) engines.
Yeah, sadly here in the US most states are legislating a mandatory shift to Biodiesel and effectively "outlawing" regular diesel, despite biodiesel having a whole range of negative issues.
@@ErikJohnson2020 That's an awful shame, in Ireland I'd say 1 in 250 vans are petrol vans.
@@ErikJohnson2020- yep, because of stupid republican agro-states like the one I live in - Iowa.
Thank you! I am looking for a work van and you just made it so easy for me to decide and I agree with everything you said.
Great video.
Thanks for taking the time to comment! Glad you liked the video.
I bought 5 Ford Transits for my business. My employees like them. Never have any problems with them, they run great.
Buy a 2wheel drive so it’s cheaper to register! Then upgrade to 4x4 later on.
I went with the Sprinter in 2022. The Mercedes “ownership” experience is terrible. I wanted a 4x4, and it was nearly impossible, unless I was willing to pay an upcharge of $7,500-$20k! I wasn’t, and finally took what I could find at MSRP. Little did I know, unless your Sprinter comes with something from the factory, Mercedes refuses to sell it to you. In fact, the wiring harness will only accept your specified options from the factory. It’s a joke and super frustrating. An upfitter might me able to get some options for you. Want factory swivel seats…thousands! Instead of that $300 option from the factory.
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I just brought the ford transit 250. The best thing about it is get the base 3.7 liter it the most torquey engine I’ve seen even in cars. And I switch from a 195 351 . It less than 1/2 the size but has more pulling away without even useing 25% of power, it shifts to 2 th at 10 mph so you’re not wasting gas. I drove for 4 days and it was above to just at full line.
My ford van uses 40 buck a week. This is more than double mpg Iam getting 16 city and almost 20 hwy this is unreal for a 250 and hauling about 1,500 lv weight.
And it drive as a car so happy I pick the right choice
Reason why the high mpg is that rare shifting at 15 mph or less and still torque to just pull away without reving
I ordered my Ford Transit with the options I see you have. It is on order and may take 8 months to get. I just subscribed and am going to watch your progress!!
Wow! 8 Months!? That's nuts! Hopefully I'll be finished with the van build by then. lol 😅
Great video you explain things very well
Glad it was helpful!
I'm not a Ford guy at all but appreciate your analysis.
Try to disable that hotspot. Only use it when you need to. That will solve your battery parasitic draw issue.
I don’t know about the US market but some things you are talking about the Transit doesn’t work outside the US. So in Europe the sprinter would be the much better choice by using after sale up fitting like Iglhaut or Oberaigner for the 4x4. These options are nots available for The RAM / Fiat or the Transit in Europe, so you won’t get the same off-road capability in Europe. Also the reliability of a Sprinter seems to be much higher in Europe than in the US. Sure they have issues, every van has, but they’re much more reliable than Fiat (RAM) or even Transits. So here in Europe I completely would disagree with the choice. But at the end it depends on what you want to do with it. Also I wouldn’t really expect that the parts of a F-350 will fit a Transit since the F-350 is a US constructed van whitest the Transit was constructed in Europe (Ford Germany). Also fairly enough the Fiat / RAM offers the best space / volume inside, the Transit also offers very straight walls, a big disadvantage of the Sprinter with its smaller top walls
My sister and brother in law have a sprinter and drove to visit us in FL from CA and they had a breakdown here. They had to tow it 2 hrs away to get it to a dealer that could actually repair it and it was almost 4k for the repair.
This!!!!! This exact scenario isn't that uncommon with Sprinters. Absolutely nightmarish.
Great video, Eric. I liked that you showed the side view of your camera set up too 😊
Question: what about the interior dimensions of the Transit - narrowness, straight walls, height options, etc. vs. Sprinter (very narrow and in-sloping at top) and Promaster (wider and boxier)? How did it affect your build out?
Thanks!!
HA! Yeah I don't really see too many people giving a candid look at what it really looks like talking to a camera by yourself. And that's a very fair question about the differing dimensions, and one that several people have asked, but in my case I honestly didn't give any weight to the exact dimensions of the height or width of any of the vans. Assuming you're getting a high roof, and the extended length, they're all big. I felt like it was a better idea to prioritize the elements of the van that you couldn't adapt to, such as how hard it would be to find qualified repairs and service, or what kind of drivetrain the van had. Anyway, hope that helps!
I suggest visiting the Humble Road You Tube channel. Search for the “Transit? Sprinter? Promaster?” Video. He gives very detailed dimension comparisons for all three makers. There are other videos where you may also find the info as he does phenomenal build outs on all sizes and variations… i.e. long bed/high roof, etc. Good luck.
Transit for me too. Higher roof and best cost/repairability. I do like the looks and 4x4 of the Sprinter though.
#metoo.
Digging the channel fireball cap.
you missed one of the most important items, driving and driving position
I did not learn anything because I came to same decision in 2020 😀. Good luck on your build.
I was thinking about the maintenance costs more than the purchase costs. But yeah, I like the look of the Transit as much as the the Sprinter. so it's a no brainer for me, Transit it is.
I’ve spent 3 years toting every tool and tester I own from home, to my car, to my work vehicle, back to my car and back home. It’s annoying, especially on days I need a ladder. I’m hunting a Transit.
My Mercedes fell apart at 200k. My ram has an obnoxious steering wheel and the cup holders suck (important when you live in it 8 hrs a day for work). I can’t comment on the Ram durability. I don’t know if I like it more than the Mercedes because it’s new but I am glad to be rid of my Mercedes. Fords weren’t available when my bosses were getting the Ram. The Ram gas van gets 15-20 mpg for me loaded. The diesel Mercedes got over 20. If your driving them a lot, diesel is the way.
this was awesome. I was dead set on a RAM until this video. I am in the planning stage. Thank you
I’m surprised you didn’t include interior usable length, width, and height with the different extended height, wheel base and bed lengths available for each as a category. The dodge is the widest available and its boxy shape is great for build out, plus now the The new super-high ProMaster stands at 86 inches (7 feet 2 inches), making giving it the most headroom. Ford offers the longest bed available and use to have the most extended headroom. Mercedes is best if you’re abroad in Europe due to its narrower body which is an advantage with narrower streets. Although the Mercedes, while really nice looking and has a great cab interior is actually underpowered for true off-road performance. While I agree your categories are incredibly important and things like maintenance availability and cost are often overlooked, build space is usually the first thing considered when building out a van.
Thank you taking the time explaining
Good video, well thought out 👍🏻
I read somewhere I think it was 2020, Ford engineers went to Norcal to talk with van dwellers and get some tips on what they would like since van dwelling has been booming. I'm glad Ford got rid of that tiny dinky little screen in the dash and went with the big touch screen behind you. They also did AWD as an option. Good job, Ford. I wish they'd give the Transit and the Transit Connect diesel options for fuel range.
3:49 Diesel can freeze if you let it. You have to buy an anti-gelling liquid. They are not expensive. It's like Stabil for gasoline, but for anti-gelling in diesel fuel. Diesel is a superior fuel. The engine is very efficient compared to a gasoline engine.
Do you have to open your doors to swivel the seats? With regards to maintenance, I completely agree. The simplicity of the pro master and it’s Pentastar motor as well as the Fort, a really big deals. If you’re a local delivery guy that’s a different story.
I dont HAVE to open the doors to swivel the seats around, but I have noticed the swivel base will rub on the door in the process and is starting to leave little scuff marks, so if you want to avoid that you'd want to open the doors.
liked and subscribed for your honest opinion on your van choice... i was hesitant against the ford cause i drive it every day for work... but i guess it is reliable
I'm sold on the Ford ...just hope for soon arrival trails high top extended.... yippi
Thank you so much for this video, am looking to buy one of these for my millwork business here in Florida. I’ll most likely end up going for the transit high roof.
You're welcome! Thanks for taking the time to comment!
I did some more reading on the build your own Sprinter. The cargo capacity on the 2500 is between 4,000 and 5,000. Don't remember exactly. The Transit 350 single wheel is about 9,000 or 9,900,not sure.
The Sprinter has swivel and power seat for about $2,500. I would appreciate any comments. I'm still looking at this time.
Well for nearly $1,600 extra for just having power adjustments... I'd probably put that into a better fridge, or more battery storage (Which you'll use every day vs however often you have someone else driving your car)
@@ErikJohnson2020 That is a good point. When the weather warms up here in New England,I'm going to test drive a few Ford Transit's.
love the channel fireball hat
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I have had one unexpected issue after using my Transit "Glampervan" conversion during the last 6 months. When I open a window when driving, I get a "farmyard" smell in the van. Turns out that air is being sucked through the Airhead composting toilet exhaust fan (8CFM) vent that is connected to the solids container! I fixed that by adding a second much stronger (130CFM) "booster" fan to the end of the exhaust tube, that I turn on manually before opening the window. I turn it off when the van is at rest, because it is noisy and draws more power. The small 8cfm fan that came with the Airhead is still on all the time. I have been wondering why more people have not mentioned this issue....any thoughts? Just be prepared for this issue if you are using a composting toilet.
Oh that is fantastic to know! I'll for sure remember to add an extra fan when I install my toilet!
Very informative video. Facing the same decisions here soon. By the way, loving the Channel Fireball hat. Wish they hadn't changed their logo, that one was iconic.
¡Another MTG fan! 🤓
@@ErikJohnson2020 There are dozens of us, DOZENS!
@@ErikJohnson2020 There are dozens of us, DOZENS!
A lot of them are just rebranded sprinters mycdi has 300,000 Mi runs perfect and I get 500 600-700 almost 800 miles per tank depending on if I'm on the highway or not 500 in the city
Agree on accounts. I have a Storyteller LT on a Transit.
Lets not forget of the 3 vans, Transit is the best driver, followed by Sprinter and with some distance by the Promaster, which is the most truck like.
Just sole me on the ford....confirmed all my hunches
Good luck with your van, there is no right and wrong choice, only a personal one. And that can even depend on where in the planet you live, since I would never even consider a Ford given its history of problems that we have seen in the past in Europe with the Transit. Biodiesel? Never, Fiat Ducato (your ram promaster) even adviced against using it risking your warranty back in the day I was in the market for a motorhome. Just plain normal diesel, but that is a more accepted source of fuel here compared to the US.
I would have gone for the roomier Ducato or the Man tge/VW Crafter, Mercedes is nice and quality etc but has a rost issue and as you say, a price issue.
Enjoy your build and your Ford. That is all that matters.
Your insulation video came up today December 30,2021. I have been watching build videos and new class B van videos. I believe the gas Sprinter max is 170 2500.
Would be good to find a video explaining all the options and packages.
I have discovered the RV manufacturers don't use a power driver's seat. Some custom builders might. Not sure which van has power seat and swivel.
Can you get swivel seats for the Ford transit?
@@emilyacoxpsychic Ford does have factory swivel seats. But you can't get swivel with power. The Sprinter you can get both.
I don't know about 2023 models.
Bought my h2 l2 transit 18 months ago for £12500. It had 8k on the clock. Have been offered £16000 & it now has 35k !
Yeah, we're seeing similar demand issues here in the states too. Back when I was hunting for my van I had a super tough time finding any reasonable milage used vans that weren't within spitting distance price wise of a brand new full warranty vehicle. It also drove home the reality of how well these cargo vans hold their value over time, even with high mileage.
Ever heard of solar panels?