Nice piece of investigative journalism... Someone clearly has an agenda...👀 As soon as we add the *Brothers from Philly* into the mix then - _no one can claim_ to have started modern day graffiti (aerosol) - it's the same with Break Dancing... SMDH
@@dryinkdryink675 Whaddup Yo!!! I’ve been busy running back n’ forth to Home Depot!!!😖 Trying to get some stuff done with the house before winter gets here… Last I checked Hip Hop 456 was a little over an hour long…😭 Maybe in a week or so…👍🏿
too bad the brothers from philly can never be first and the book he put on the screen in this video proves it and he holds the proof in his hands but still trying to push cornbread first...maybe you shouls read the 1971 may 2 article from philly inquirer to see how you have been fooled into thinking philly was first all these years...nyc was not fooled thou
@TheBOOSTEDO I feel you...winter done showed up here already. Handle ya business. But man....I look forward to the next one. They giving out material. All your videos are good
@user-fm8gp5rk7i First off Anti-FBA TETHER Hater. This is not the first thing that I've seen on this subject. Secondly, Cornbread is known as the first all across America and the Graph community. There's even information stating that Top Cat hung with Julio 204, and he brought it to the NYC hoods. This video doesn't even touch on that. He also has a previous video breaking down the timeline and exposing that Mrs. Colon's article that he used as evidence from Philly was, in fact, about a Puerto Rican from Philly, not the real Cornbread. Present your debunkable evidence, please 🙏🏾.
@user-fm8gp5rk7i Because nobody is gonna consult New York City Niggas about what they are doing. Yall Niggas ain't nobody to ask to do anything. People who do try to show you love you shit on. Just like Fat Hoe claiming that dudes from the South bit his swag with lean back. ALL while he was living, partying, and recording from Miami. Begging Lil Wayne to get on his second single.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@harrysmith-g8k Johnny never left his neighborhood like was being done by many people for centuries and that includes in Philly. Julio did something different or no one would have noticed him. Same with CornBread
@@lroyjetsonson5060 debunkable evidence...cornbread is a fraud and who ever said he started across the nation being called the first? where do you get this nonsense from, no one was paying any attention to philly, 50 years later 2 books on philly graff scene and 100s on nyc and you talking about cornbread bombing? that was 1968 and 1969 when he left the love declarations alone and really started, nobody denies him dont you understand that, but he did not start nothing, nothing in nyc and who cares about philly. really who is checking for philly, tariq got you guys up in arms when caucasains been rocking this style in america first and for decades....do the knowledge please....cornbread plays himself by lying, he could just be happy with philly history but he is not....he steals identities of black authors like ron fair and is attempting to steal nyc graff history....you had better do the knowledge...cornbread put himself on the radar to get blasted along with tariq, who obviously does not know hip hop history
so out of all the first names mentioned and of course we know the history has been tracked well , not one of them is a black dude and the movement starts in manhattan with first italian kids starting the first of our heritage tags which is signatures and street numbers, spanish kids in el barrio, the other half of italian harlem(east harlem), the spanish kids liked it and picked it up and added the jose "OF" 109. the first kings are spanish and white, the kids that bought it to the trains were white and the first pieces, the tunnel out of 116th street on the 1 line was done by junior 161 and cay 161, both kings after taki of the 1 line, where it all starts, then phase 2 always mentions the barbara 62 and eva 62 piece on the platform of 110th street on 1 line, then some people see jake 130 first on trains, white guy and at the same time on another line we see the super kool 223 extremely sloppy mini piece on a train.. so up to this point black kids have not added anything or come up with the masterpiece or provided a king....so why would tariq pull cornbread in, when he is not even first in philly or before nyc....i think you have access to wall writers, so jag says he starts in 1967 and julio 204 was 6 months to a year before him, 1966.....no one in philly has tags on walls in 1966 except kilroy, gangs and of course bobbie beck. so tariq is doing the same thing that dr colon is doing, he was given these facts and chose to ignore them in order to push his own agenda, no big deal but there is not one graffiti movement in america started by black kids on their own, this is a fact. just read dr cool section or tee bop on bobbie beck, who we found by the way but he wants no fame, but was a caucasian guy out the army and loved kilroy and bam we get bobbie beck was here systematically taking over philly in 1959....tee bop said he was inspired, dr cool said he was hypnotized by bobbie beck, so come on it is real easy to research this. cool earl klepto, chewy, bobby cool, and cold duck are all writing over one year before cornbread, who starts in april of 1968, i can share this knowledge but i have wrote enuf so far why do you think tariq would do this? also in wall writers page 74, under jag's section, it clearly states that the julio 204 tag is done by taki 183, so that kind of spoils using the word fake and you should say a re production cuz it is stated and that is exactly what has happened, just a reproduction, fake is not proper term...thx and wonder what you think about tariq's bold faced lie, oh of course i am not sure if you saw the doc...stay well
that just sounds ridiculous,,,40,000 years ago neanderthal man did it...stop with the who is first...philly movement was not first and also did not go around the world...cornbread did not start a worldwide movement the writers from nyc did....get that straight and stop talking about 5000 years ago if you can not even get your history strate from 1971,,,cornbread aint first period
IDK if its fake but one thing I do know, all the earliest interviews with writers who remember Julio all say he started around 1968/1969. Recently though, certain people have been trying to rewrite this fact and push his start back to 1965-1967. This is done because Cornbread/Philly boys are from the 1965-1967 era and you can't possibly have Philly doing it before NYC
Right. Im not saying the entire Julio 204 story is fake, its most probably not fake. Just that there are these fake images which is being used to embellish a story which is much more questionable. So when a date is emphatically stated, or a style is shown, or how much he must have gotten up since there are all these images - the mythology creeps in. CornBread and Phillys story is much more stable and documented, the dates are solid.
@user-fm8gp5rk7i Those tags are classified as Gang Graffiti, which every city had previously dummy. But not every city has numbered streets idiot so STFU because he broke that down before this video Goofy.
@@harrysmith-g8k kids who stayed mostly in their own neighborhoods are not doing anything different than what was done all over the world for centuries…. Julio was noticed because he expanded his area, Taki took it further and got up ‘everywhere’. CornBread did what Julio and Taki did combined.
Graffiti is an interesting conversation. First n foremost, it was not a part of hip hop early on. Hip hop starts with, A SPECIFIC STYLE OF MUSIC TO A SPECIFIC STYLE OF DANCE. All due respect to Cornbread.. he has nothing to do with the hip hop scene. It is Phase 2 that walks Graffiti through hip hops door, with his specific style of bombing (TRAINS). Once again, hes at the earliest parties, he does flyers, his name is mentioned on flyers, his name is shouted out, on the mic by emcees at jams, he is the most repected n revered Graffiti artist in NY. Then theres Buddy Esquire, who rules the flyer, circuit. Cornbread is a Philly thing. We gotta keep HIP HOP, initially, a Bronx thing. Those other cats Taki n Julio, ARE NOT HIP HOP. #1 They want no part hip hop, n they will tell u that, and #2 they probably never attended a hip hop jam in their lives. Many of us early heads are touch n go about Graffiti. Those pre-70 dudes are not part of the scene. Its because of Bam, who, in 82, includes Graff into the scene. Graff, just like all of the other elements, needs to be, broken down n classified before it enters hip hop as well. There should be a specific style of writing if we are going to include it in hip hop. Cornbread, Julio, Taki all should get their respective flowers...but not in hip hop!
Another guy with a big ironic wall of text - like I’m supposed to catch a tag right here - I’m not reading all that. You can have your opinion. Hip Hop is a subculture which exists before the media gave Bamduski and whoever else the power to codify it. The culture can be described in terms of elements which predate the naming ceremony - call it precursors or not… I’m probably doing a video which discusses the unifying principles… graffiti dudes can say they aren’t a part… that’s fine, but you are still doing what we do.
It's not just an opinion...it's damn near a consensus amongst us ny ole heads. Next convo...is it a subculture OR should it be labeled a counter culture? Thanks for ur response tho.
Yes there is a difference of opinions when it comes to Graff. To many...Graff shouldn't walk straight into hip hop, when djing, emceeing and didn't. There should be some criteria. Difference of opinion...it's all good.
STAY HIGH 149( BLACK)'68, BRONX NY WAS THE BEGINNING, FACTS! "AJAX"(BLK), "COMET"(BLK), "BLADE"(BLK) FIRST TO DO TOP BOTTOM AND WHOLE TRAIN BURNERS, NOT 1 TRAIN CAR, BUT THE WHOLE TRAIN ON, '69/'70! I STARTED IN '75, I WROTE "GAIN-1", FACTS!
sorry, in one of those paragraphs i meant to say that it took so long to cross 116th st because of gang issues like dr cool states he could not really go out his hood in philly for a whole year, once again cuz of gang violence, in philly it is easy to say serial tagger, but it is more of a systematic tagger that you want to be, bobbie beck systematically bombed philly and its outskirts real quik and he remained imprinted in their heads for years and was not a serial tagger, fuck serial taggers make a mark how ever you can and our nyc story does not have to fit some narrative of a serial tagger doing the whole movement single handed, which guys like hip hop historian swear by, but all that cornbread talk is cheap and cool earl said cornbread was not up in philly even half as much as him and the KIDD, dont forget bobby cool and cold duck and chewy, so to give cornbread this kind of credit is unbelievable, just wait to hear what cool earl got to say
sorry i got a lot of people contacting me and might have confused something, anyway i dont think it is in the one i told you, but anyway dr cool is bombing his north philly hood by the end of summer of love 1967 and he says he was hypnotized by the bobby beck tags he grew up seeing, now again serial tagger does not equate to starting a movement and all philly writers said it moved slow at first, same as nyc cuz of gangs and territory and the island of manhattan is about only half the size as philly and had more gangs in a condensed area, the story of philly is different then nyc and what started as a trend in one district then moved to different districts with different racial makeups but philly it stuck in black hoods only for like 7 years or so, so the two cities have different stories but again the kids in nyc by 1965 were going out of the hoods and this is a fact and herbert kohl confirmed that in past 3 months....yes he is alive at 86 and will have his study placed in hip hop museum, first aerosol tags that were part of a movement, by 1966 it is in 7 different neighborhoods and they were all bombed out and it took down hood after hood, groups of teens bombing one hood after another and then seeing the other taggers in other districts with street numbers and names and made them want to go to those streets to bomb and spread names.....we can not expect a serial tagger in nyc to do what was easier to do in philly but no matter what it was no way no how cornbread that bombed his city out, soon philly will tell it....but our movement , slower in beginning or not, was already poppin by 1966 and then comes julio 204, def nothing came up to nyc but you already know that...we have to stop looking for the serial tagger to define a movement.....i am waiting on someone to get the dr cool video up in a minute, and read wall writers, no one even heard of cornbread in their origin points...by the way joe 182 confirmed that julio 204 starts tagging before savage nomads or savage skulls even come into existence and it had nothing to do with gang activity and others streamlined it before julio and some liked the long way but in the very first tags we see with names and street numbers they read like this leo 115st david 115st ray 109 all on the same handball court on 110th street between 2nd and 3rd ave...in italian harlem, read the names leonardo and raymond are both extremely popular italian names in 1900s, especially leonardo, then we move to el barrio and get names like papo and jose....not you but others like gastman do not know how to read the walls like me and my peeps and he already admitted he blew that call on kohl's study, it did not die at all! now if leo and ray only start a trend fine, everyone plays a role, but that one serial tagger saviour never happened in philly or nyc, now taki went harder then anyone of course and bought it on to the trains and he should be respected for that....but it took 18 months to get rolling in philly too, so thats why all the articles come out in 1971, but not kohl's he saw it early and said if it was not a m ovement it would not of caught my attention, on eastside and westside...puerto rican kids were able to spread it out more, east to west where the italians whio start it were fighting for territory already while pr kids were gaining territory, my man is too thoro with his research but cool earl and klepto said it was the report of his fake death that really gave cornbread his popularity, what a shame, cornbread was already written on walls too and they do not believe his ydc story, they think he saw cornbread written on walls in ydc and took it from there, cornbread never ever ever has proof of anything, no photos and no eyewitnesses ever....
ruclips.net/video/XptNy-UfG4E/видео.html now when phase says manhattan starts it and he says "no them no us" he does not mean that taki only tagged then black kids do all pieces, he means "no us" meaning tracy and super kool and jake 130 (whiteboy) no comet (whiteboy) no clyde (spanish) no checker 170 ( spanish stlyemaster)....stlye came from all races and that can not be denied, now i will say 1970 the amount of black youth to join the game was huge, it def was a lot of black kids entering the game at that point no doubt and from bk too, but the whole culture was set in motion already from signatures to kings with crowns to pieces, the real history will be at the hip hop museum cuz they are gonna keep it real, no elephants and jet planes with propellers....philly zoo said the elephant was 13 feet tall so i guess cornbread not only forgot his camera but his ladder too, and i do remember you being more concerned with colon and stating you thought cornbread was credible, but its ok you didnt know better at that point, forget colon i pay him no mind, who cares about him when tariq is stealing the true graff history and putting it in theatres nationwide, but it is about to catch up....hog butcher by ronald fair, you a cerebral dude read the book, like riff 170 said "reading is fundamental"
don’t understand why people want to credit cornbread for starting modern day graffiti when Julio tour three is the guy who inspired the guy who inspired the rest of the city so how can we give cornbread Credit for a hip-hop graffiti when he didn’t inspire anybody in New York, but Julio 203 did. What this means is that cornbread has nothing to do with hip-hop and Philly has its own graffiti scene that is separate from New York City. Stop mixing both just to add another FB creator into hip-hop, it’s forced and it’s kind of obvious gets kind of cringe after a while. How do you explain DJing? How do you explain Capuera and breakdancing? How do you explain West African rapping please answer these questions if you strongly believe FBA invented everything
The fact that they created images to give the documentary visuals to go along with the I witness testimonies does nothing to discredit the actual history being told and I think it’s silly to even point out to the tags are recreations as if to suggest that some how because of that the historical accounts are not legit …I’m sure if Julio 204 was BLACK none of this nonsense would be going on
I grew up in the Bronx and Harlem. While living in the Bronx the Puerto Ricans didn't want to really associate with blacks. Yall were listening to latin music and salsa dancing. If youscwere so hip hop and created it then tell us what year andcwho brought it from Puerto rico? I ask Caribbean brothers and sisters the same thing
@@werkynprogres I didn’t say the human was fake. But the documentation in the documentary is fake. It is crazy to not make sure we know the photos are not real. As a retired Graff artist, that 💩 is bogus.
Nice piece of investigative journalism... Someone clearly has an agenda...👀
As soon as we add the *Brothers from Philly* into the mix then - _no one can claim_
to have started modern day graffiti (aerosol) - it's the same with Break Dancing... SMDH
When is your next video ? Them videos are hilarious with facts. I know you seen his videos posted with them dudes dancing.
@@dryinkdryink675 Whaddup Yo!!! I’ve been busy running back n’ forth to Home Depot!!!😖 Trying to get some stuff done with the house before winter gets here… Last I checked Hip Hop 456 was a little over an hour long…😭 Maybe in a week or so…👍🏿
Appreciate the info, keep exposing these devils, truth is on our side! Peace…
too bad the brothers from philly can never be first and the book he put on the screen in this video proves it and he holds the proof in his hands but still trying to push cornbread first...maybe you shouls read the 1971 may 2 article from philly inquirer to see how you have been fooled into thinking philly was first all these years...nyc was not fooled thou
@TheBOOSTEDO I feel you...winter done showed up here already. Handle ya business. But man....I look forward to the next one. They giving out material. All your videos are good
They all look alike to perfect your right they are all fakes! "Wow" 🤣🤣
I was wondering how they had pictures of all his tags.
same, I was amazed lol
Those aren't even the same handwriting at all, but they cast doubt on Cornbread 😂😂😂
@user-fm8gp5rk7i First off Anti-FBA TETHER Hater. This is not the first thing that I've seen on this subject. Secondly, Cornbread is known as the first all across America and the Graph community. There's even information stating that Top Cat hung with Julio 204, and he brought it to the NYC hoods. This video doesn't even touch on that. He also has a previous video breaking down the timeline and exposing that Mrs. Colon's article that he used as evidence from Philly was, in fact, about a Puerto Rican from Philly, not the real Cornbread. Present your debunkable evidence, please 🙏🏾.
@user-fm8gp5rk7i Because nobody is gonna consult New York City Niggas about what they are doing. Yall Niggas ain't nobody to ask to do anything. People who do try to show you love you shit on. Just like Fat Hoe claiming that dudes from the South bit his swag with lean back. ALL while he was living, partying, and recording from Miami. Begging Lil Wayne to get on his second single.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@harrysmith-g8k Johnny never left his neighborhood like was being done by many people for centuries and that includes in Philly. Julio did something different or no one would have noticed him. Same with CornBread
@@lroyjetsonson5060 debunkable evidence...cornbread is a fraud and who ever said he started across the nation being called the first? where do you get this nonsense from, no one was paying any attention to philly, 50 years later 2 books on philly graff scene and 100s on nyc and you talking about cornbread bombing? that was 1968 and 1969 when he left the love declarations alone and really started, nobody denies him dont you understand that, but he did not start nothing, nothing in nyc and who cares about philly.
really who is checking for philly, tariq got you guys up in arms when caucasains been rocking this style in america first and for decades....do the knowledge please....cornbread plays himself by lying, he could just be happy with philly history but he is not....he steals identities of black authors like ron fair and is attempting to steal nyc graff history....you had better do the knowledge...cornbread put himself on the radar to get blasted along with tariq, who obviously does not know hip hop history
Cornbread keeps changing the year. That's why his shit is suspect. Liars forget what they say
so out of all the first names mentioned and of course we know the history has been tracked well , not one of them is a black dude and the movement starts in manhattan with first italian kids starting the first of our heritage tags which is signatures and street numbers, spanish kids in el barrio, the other half of italian harlem(east harlem), the spanish kids liked it and picked it up and added the jose "OF" 109. the first kings are spanish and white, the kids that bought it to the trains were white and the first pieces, the tunnel out of 116th street on the 1 line was done by junior 161 and cay 161, both kings after taki of the 1 line, where it all starts, then phase 2 always mentions the barbara 62 and eva 62 piece on the platform of 110th street on 1 line, then some people see jake 130 first on trains, white guy and at the same time on another line we see the super kool 223 extremely sloppy mini piece on a train..
so up to this point black kids have not added anything or come up with the masterpiece or provided a king....so why would tariq pull cornbread in, when he is not even first in philly or before nyc....i think you have access to wall writers, so jag says he starts in 1967 and julio 204 was 6 months to a year before him, 1966.....no one in philly has tags on walls in 1966 except kilroy, gangs and of course bobbie beck. so tariq is doing the same thing that dr colon is doing, he was given these facts and chose to ignore them in order to push his own agenda, no big deal but there is not one graffiti movement in america started by black kids on their own, this is a fact. just read dr cool section or tee bop on bobbie beck, who we found by the way but he wants no fame, but was a caucasian guy out the army and loved kilroy and bam we get bobbie beck was here systematically taking over philly in 1959....tee bop said he was inspired, dr cool said he was hypnotized by bobbie beck, so come on it is real easy to research this. cool earl klepto, chewy, bobby cool, and cold duck are all writing over one year before cornbread, who starts in april of 1968, i can share this knowledge but i have wrote enuf so far
why do you think tariq would do this? also in wall writers page 74, under jag's section, it clearly states that the julio 204 tag is done by taki 183, so that kind of spoils using the word fake and you should say a re production cuz it is stated and that is exactly what has happened, just a reproduction, fake is not proper term...thx and wonder what you think about tariq's bold faced lie, oh of course i am not sure if you saw the doc...stay well
Why are asking me about Tariq?
We Africans been writing on the wall 5000 years before the existence of Latinos
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MrAngelrocAll FACTS , Latinos have no history
that just sounds ridiculous,,,40,000 years ago neanderthal man did it...stop with the who is first...philly movement was not first and also did not go around the world...cornbread did not start a worldwide movement the writers from nyc did....get that straight and stop talking about 5000 years ago if you can not even get your history strate from 1971,,,cornbread aint first period
who cares, you sound as ridiculous as cornbread calling himself the first modern graffiti writer
man this comment is just dumb
IDK if its fake but one thing I do know, all the earliest interviews with writers who remember Julio all say he started around 1968/1969. Recently though, certain people have been trying to rewrite this fact and push his start back to 1965-1967. This is done because Cornbread/Philly boys are from the 1965-1967 era and you can't possibly have Philly doing it before NYC
Right. Im not saying the entire Julio 204 story is fake, its most probably not fake. Just that there are these fake images which is being used to embellish a story which is much more questionable. So when a date is emphatically stated, or a style is shown, or how much he must have gotten up since there are all these images - the mythology creeps in. CornBread and Phillys story is much more stable and documented, the dates are solid.
@@AKiEM. agreed
@user-fm8gp5rk7i Those tags are classified as Gang Graffiti, which every city had previously dummy. But not every city has numbered streets idiot so STFU because he broke that down before this video Goofy.
@@harrysmith-g8k kids who stayed mostly in their own neighborhoods are not doing anything different than what was done all over the world for centuries….
Julio was noticed because he expanded his area, Taki took it further and got up ‘everywhere’. CornBread did what Julio and Taki did combined.
@@AKiEM.fake
dude became a film editor and at 70 decided to start hitting the block on lunch breaks.
Graffiti is an interesting conversation. First n foremost, it was not a part of hip hop early on. Hip hop starts with, A SPECIFIC STYLE OF MUSIC TO A SPECIFIC STYLE OF DANCE. All due respect to Cornbread.. he has nothing to do with the hip hop scene. It is Phase 2 that walks Graffiti through hip hops door, with his specific style of bombing (TRAINS). Once again, hes at the earliest parties, he does flyers, his name is mentioned on flyers, his name is shouted out, on the mic by emcees at jams, he is the most repected n revered Graffiti artist in NY. Then theres Buddy Esquire, who rules the flyer, circuit. Cornbread is a Philly thing. We gotta keep HIP HOP, initially, a Bronx thing. Those other cats Taki n Julio, ARE NOT HIP HOP. #1 They want no part hip hop, n they will tell u that, and #2 they probably never attended a hip hop jam in their lives. Many of us early heads are touch n go about Graffiti. Those pre-70 dudes are not part of the scene. Its because of Bam, who, in 82, includes Graff into the scene. Graff, just like all of the other elements, needs to be, broken down n classified before it enters hip hop as well. There should be a specific style of writing if we are going to include it in hip hop. Cornbread, Julio, Taki all should get their respective flowers...but not in hip hop!
Another guy with a big ironic wall of text - like I’m supposed to catch a tag right here - I’m not reading all that.
You can have your opinion. Hip Hop is a subculture which exists before the media gave Bamduski and whoever else the power to codify it. The culture can be described in terms of elements which predate the naming ceremony - call it precursors or not… I’m probably doing a video which discusses the unifying principles… graffiti dudes can say they aren’t a part… that’s fine, but you are still doing what we do.
It's not just an opinion...it's damn near a consensus amongst us ny ole heads. Next convo...is it a subculture OR should it be labeled a counter culture? Thanks for ur response tho.
@@dreval7957 you are from your circle of ol heads - the ones Ive come to know have the reverse opinion - I met them through HH - so...
Yes there is a difference of opinions when it comes to Graff. To many...Graff shouldn't walk straight into hip hop, when djing, emceeing and didn't. There should be some criteria. Difference of opinion...it's all good.
@@dreval7957 Graff was an early element...
now phases words might not exactly be "no them no us" butt you get the point
STAY HIGH 149( BLACK)'68, BRONX NY WAS THE BEGINNING, FACTS! "AJAX"(BLK), "COMET"(BLK), "BLADE"(BLK) FIRST TO DO TOP BOTTOM AND WHOLE TRAIN BURNERS, NOT 1 TRAIN CAR, BUT THE WHOLE TRAIN ON, '69/'70! I STARTED IN '75, I WROTE "GAIN-1", FACTS!
sorry, in one of those paragraphs i meant to say that it took so long to cross 116th st because of gang issues like dr cool states he could not really go out his hood in philly for a whole year, once again cuz of gang violence, in philly it is easy to say serial tagger, but it is more of a systematic tagger that you want to be, bobbie beck systematically bombed philly and its outskirts real quik and he remained imprinted in their heads for years and was not a serial tagger, fuck serial taggers make a mark how ever you can and our nyc story does not have to fit some narrative of a serial tagger doing the whole movement single handed, which guys like hip hop historian swear by, but all that cornbread talk is cheap and cool earl said cornbread was not up in philly even half as much as him and the KIDD, dont forget bobby cool and cold duck and chewy, so to give cornbread this kind of credit is unbelievable, just wait to hear what cool earl got to say
Where are you referring to Dr. Cool talking?
Bobbie Beck the mysterious white guy as they call him
sorry i got a lot of people contacting me and might have confused something, anyway i dont think it is in the one i told you, but anyway dr cool is bombing his north philly hood by the end of summer of love 1967 and he says he was hypnotized by the bobby beck tags he grew up seeing, now again serial tagger does not equate to starting a movement and all philly writers said it moved slow at first, same as nyc cuz of gangs and territory and the island of manhattan is about only half the size as philly and had more gangs in a condensed area, the story of philly is different then nyc and what started as a trend in one district then moved to different districts with different racial makeups but philly it stuck in black hoods only for like 7 years or so, so the two cities have different stories but again the kids in nyc by 1965 were going out of the hoods and this is a fact and herbert kohl confirmed that in past 3 months....yes he is alive at 86 and will have his study placed in hip hop museum, first aerosol tags that were part of a movement, by 1966 it is in 7 different neighborhoods and they were all bombed out and it took down hood after hood, groups of teens bombing one hood after another and then seeing the other taggers in other districts with street numbers and names and made them want to go to those streets to bomb and spread names.....we can not expect a serial tagger in nyc to do what was easier to do in philly but no matter what it was no way no how cornbread that bombed his city out, soon philly will tell it....but our movement , slower in beginning or not, was already poppin by 1966 and then comes julio 204, def nothing came up to nyc but you already know that...we have to stop looking for the serial tagger to define a movement.....i am waiting on someone to get the dr cool video up in a minute, and read wall writers, no one even heard of cornbread in their origin points...by the way joe 182 confirmed that julio 204 starts tagging before savage nomads or savage skulls even come into existence and it had nothing to do with gang activity and others streamlined it before julio and some liked the long way but in the very first tags we see with names and street numbers they read like this leo 115st david 115st ray 109 all on the same handball court on 110th street between 2nd and 3rd ave...in italian harlem, read the names leonardo and raymond are both extremely popular italian names in 1900s, especially leonardo, then we move to el barrio and get names like papo and jose....not you but others like gastman do not know how to read the walls like me and my peeps and he already admitted he blew that call on kohl's study, it did not die at all! now if leo and ray only start a trend fine, everyone plays a role, but that one serial tagger saviour never happened in philly or nyc, now taki went harder then anyone of course and bought it on to the trains and he should be respected for that....but it took 18 months to get rolling in philly too, so thats why all the articles come out in 1971, but not kohl's he saw it early and said if it was not a m ovement it would not of caught my attention, on eastside and westside...puerto rican kids were able to spread it out more, east to west where the italians whio start it were fighting for territory already while pr kids were gaining territory, my man is too thoro with his research but cool earl and klepto said it was the report of his fake death that really gave cornbread his popularity, what a shame, cornbread was already written on walls too and they do not believe his ydc story, they think he saw cornbread written on walls in ydc and took it from there, cornbread never ever ever has proof of anything, no photos and no eyewitnesses ever....
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ruclips.net/video/XptNy-UfG4E/видео.html now when phase says manhattan starts it and he says "no them no us" he does not mean that taki only tagged then black kids do all pieces, he means "no us" meaning tracy and super kool and jake 130 (whiteboy) no comet (whiteboy) no clyde (spanish) no checker 170 ( spanish stlyemaster)....stlye came from all races and that can not be denied, now i will say 1970 the amount of black youth to join the game was huge, it def was a lot of black kids entering the game at that point no doubt and from bk too, but the whole culture was set in motion already from signatures to kings with crowns to pieces, the real history will be at the hip hop museum cuz they are gonna keep it real, no elephants and jet planes with propellers....philly zoo said the elephant was 13 feet tall so i guess cornbread not only forgot his camera but his ladder too, and i do remember you being more concerned with colon and stating you thought cornbread was credible, but its ok you didnt know better at that point, forget colon i pay him no mind, who cares about him when tariq is stealing the true graff history and putting it in theatres nationwide, but it is about to catch up....hog butcher by ronald fair, you a cerebral dude read the book, like riff 170 said "reading is fundamental"
Cornbread is not from NY
Wow really? Where’s he from bro?
Philly
don’t understand why people want to credit cornbread for starting modern day graffiti when Julio tour three is the guy who inspired the guy who inspired the rest of the city so how can we give cornbread Credit for a hip-hop graffiti when he didn’t inspire anybody in New York, but Julio 203 did. What this means is that cornbread has nothing to do with hip-hop and Philly has its own graffiti scene that is separate from New York City. Stop mixing both just to add another FB creator into hip-hop, it’s forced and it’s kind of obvious gets kind of cringe after a while. How do you explain DJing? How do you explain Capuera and breakdancing? How do you explain West African rapping please answer these questions if you strongly believe FBA invented everything
Every letter is the same.
The fact that they created images to give the documentary visuals to go along with the I witness testimonies does nothing to discredit the actual history being told and I think it’s silly to even point out to the tags are recreations as if to suggest that some how because of that the historical accounts are not legit …I’m sure if Julio 204 was BLACK none of this nonsense would be going on
@@victorvixxjorge4095 are you a writer?
@@victorvixxjorge4095 I wasn’t trying to discredit the story of Julio 204.
Are you a writer?
I grew up in the Bronx and Harlem. While living in the Bronx the Puerto Ricans didn't want to really associate with blacks. Yall were listening to latin music and salsa dancing. If youscwere so hip hop and created it then tell us what year andcwho brought it from Puerto rico?
I ask Caribbean brothers and sisters the same thing
@@victorvixxjorge4095 ?
You don't have to say fake for all of them. We get it. It's annoying.
Kinda hard to have pics of graffiti from the 60s etc so not that crazy to make a documentary. The human isn’t fake
@@werkynprogres I didn’t say the human was fake. But the documentation in the documentary is fake. It is crazy to not make sure we know the photos are not real. As a retired Graff artist, that 💩 is bogus.