@@AKiEM. Randee was in the Riff170 video comments; Colon stayed ghost because I had schooled him before on the topic in a older Cornbread video he had on his own page
@@BruceSwitzer-yq1yy @user-fm8gp5rk7i 0 seconds ago first off this an attack from cornbread on nyc culture...he is not first...there is proof enough of that and i am not talking about other graff movements, i am talking about 1967...and he is stealing intellectual property from ronald fair...cornbread is a dirtbag and horrible liar and people are focused on dr colon....give me a break cornbread never had no hollywood agents come to do a life story on him and he never tagged no 747 jet and he never wrote on the outside of a skyscraper and i can keep going about his lies....stop focusing on dr colon and realize their is a bigger liar then colon can ever be and that is cornbread for sure..... Reply
Yes, was once President of Chapter 7. Was once Young Spade Div 18.... Was recently a Member of Div 17. I'm not worried about Cornbread... Or Colon, but I'm open to Information.... Zulu King Amin ♠️
@@BruceSwitzer-yq1yy ok no prob, if you think it is ok that cornbread trying to take away nyc history and we should just allow it, then we dont have anything to talk about, if you are not sure what i am referencing then you might want to know about his claims, yes we can both forget dr colon
He's lied so much that he believes his own lies. At this point, he making the case for us. No one with a brain should take him or any of these other clowns seriously.
@TheGeeLuv according to people in NYC since they believe they lies they tell. How would people from NYC know that since they was only living in nyc. Do know that outside of nyc in the early 80s none care about those from NYC
@TheGeeLuv u must have forgot people from Radio station was rocking Noone outside of nyc. So u go tell me DC Philly, California la..Miami, HOUSTON, CHICAGO etc etc didn't it known without NYC please
Dr Cool #1 was the same age as Cornbread. I saw my first Cool Earl and Cornbread at the Parkview station on the Norristown line. I have seen Cornbread and Tity in New York,Boston,and even Chicago. I still don’t know why Kidd’s partner Bad Bow isn’t mentioned. As for the era we all rolled along to the Gamble/Huff beat.
@@ThomRealEstate-k1y I think I’ve only heard Bad Bow mentioned once. Can you tell me what years you seen them up in other cities? That’s something I’ve hardly heard at all. Let me know another way to contact you.
@@AKiEM. I saw a faded Cornbread at a train station in the Bronx in 1976. In Boston it was all along wnat was the old Orange line in 1971 on a family trip. The ones I saw in Chicago was 1974 in a parking garage at Lake and Wells in 1974. I moved to NY in 1976 and in Freeport NY both Tity and Cornbread had tagged Main Street pretty good,some of those tags were there for years!
Graffiti in Philadelphia started with the gangs and what made it a "culture" was the penmanship or "hand" style of each artist, which became their signature. Some of that focus on penmanship can possibly be traced back to the constitution written in Philadelphia, which also has elaborate penmanship. That elaborate lettering and the dedication towards perfecting them is what made it an art form that was born in Philadelphia. In conjunction with that was the other aspect of "street" culture also adopted by the gangs, which was the acapella tradition which is way older and not limited to Philadelphia. It is the tradition of singing on the corner or doing improvised rhymes over top of beats banged out on a car or trash can became a form of entertainment. That rhyming acapella tradition is the connection to hip hop and also survives in the traditions of the DJs who also rhymed while playing records, such as Jocko Henderson a who was born in Baltimore and played on the radio in New York and later became famous in Philadelphia. That acapella tradition of rhyming goes back a long way and can be seen in the 1940s with groups like The Mills Brothers and old Warner Bros cartoons like "Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs". On a side note, the other aspect that arose with Philly gangs (and was in other cities) was the pretty boy style of dress which can be seen in the old photos of Cornbread and Cool Earl which look very much like Run DMC from years later. But many of the New York gangs, or at least the more famous ones, were more like what you saw in the Warriors.
Colon doesn’t know squiddly about that era. I was there and Chewy Cool Earl Cornbread Tity and others ruled the walls. When I was 14, I was inspired to pick up a spray can and go for it. I remember that Kidd had a partner named Bad Bow. Us Philadelphia artists usually worked in pairs that’s why we were so hard to catch. I was associated with the Klub City Decorators. What ripper of a time that was!
Word, thanks for the comment. Working in pairs, that explains some things. KCD was pretty early right? Do you know about what year yall started? Did yall do social functions or was it strictly Graff?
@@AKiEM. I started in1972 and we were mainly graffiti I ran with TBone Slixx Chixx and Noxxy. I knew Toke Flea BIC and alot of other graffiti artists. I was for a while on Mayor Rizzos 10 most wanted.! I never got caught or I wold have ended up in Cornbreads alma mater aka the Youth Study Center
@@ThomRealEstate-k1y The fact that Philly had crews and an actual Graff Culture says a whole lot about what Hip-Hop actually is, that history needs to be preserved.
I’m 72 years old born and raise in Philadelphia. grew up in the gang war era being a former gang member myself I remember seeing the name cornbread all over the city. That was in the mid 60s I have all my faculties and I don’t my medication.
@@jemahoney when I moved from Philadelphia to NYC I was at the LIRR station in Freeport where my family moved to. I saw that Cornbread and Tity had visited and it was like I met old friends again. Alot of the Philadelphia artists have visited NY it’s a cheap train ride away.
Grafitti was started in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in the late 60's early 70's not in NY philly wall writers, took or introduced that art to NY. in the 70's
This definitely debunks Dr Colon and Pr's even being predominate in Grafitti. Very educational. Thank u for this info. Hip Hop is truly Black American culture. Hip Hop was a stronghold in many Black American communities across the USA and to me it was a direct result from the aftermath of The Civil Rights / Black Power mvts of the late 60's into the early 70's. Things in the Black communities were shifting to a more cultural arts and self expression of there culture through music, dance, and forming of gangs to keep what the mvt established in terms of Black togetherness and combat racism in move in the grass roots level in each Black urban area. Including NYC, Philly, Detroit, LA, Chicago, Newark, Miami, Atlanta, Baltimore, DC. Hip Hop was going on in every black community in there own way. But NYC the Bronx got the credit because it was the biggest urban area and everything popular gets credited from NYC because its the Mecca of the USA thats it. But Hip Hop takes takes from all Black communities because its our culture period.
I can't go with colon on this one... I'm from NYC, the bronx, moved to Philly and camden and spent all my teenage years there. I know philly graff history and NYC and although ny was first to do the double wide letters, bubble letters etc but weren't the first to write regular tags, it was philly. Since the 60s.. how far back in the 60s idk.. I know TAKI wrote in 60s too but idk how far back ✌ hip hop did not start in Philadelphia, knock it off lol....
@@AKiEM.I would say yes. But that is a never ending argument between Philly and NY lol. I've been in these arguments since I was young. I used to write too in both cities. But I would definitely say Philly was 1st
ay look, what you ain't gon' believe is that hip-hop was born in philaedelphia on 5.17.1972, in north philly where the zulu nation originated back in the 1960s. find out the hard way though.
Dr Colon definitely missed the train on this one! I found that the makeup of Philadelphia’s graffiti artists were of all races. Also about 30 to 35 percent of them at that time were female. As a former aspiring KCD associate I ran with 2,SlixxChixx and Noxxy. I knew other queens of krylon like K Rat Mee Kee Tiny and a few others . I really get annoyed by college bred nitwits who never experienced the life,just making their dissertations from flow charts.
He claimed to be active Rochester but you can tell by a lot what he’s claimed he has no idea what he’s talking about. Thanks for your comments, Philly history needs a lot more recognition.
There is a great documentary on RUclips. The title is Sly Artistic City and it’s a great accurate story of that era. I’m in the group picture of the KCD along with my fellow artists,enjoy!
I think Cornbread was the most famous writer out of Philly but there were thousands of writers in Philly before NY graffitti got big, graffitti is part of youth culture kids were tagging walls but a few became prolific.
As stated before hip hop is Black culture created in Black communities across America. You could find the same hip hop culture in Philly, Baltimore, DC, Atlanta, in the 60s, it wasn’t exclusive to NY. James Brown helped spread that culture on his Night Train in 1958. Ny was late to the game. Stop the Latino NY myth get out of the fairytale NY trick box. Hip hop is ever evolving Black culture. Nothing boma, plena, mariachi, Mumbo sombrero 1 gear stagnant Latino culture about it. Latinos are lost in America experiencing an identity crisis.
Dude u have zero clue what the hell u talking about. Hop hop was not happening in all the cities back in the 60s. DC to this day still doesnt do hip hop, go-go music runs thr scene out there. Atlanta wasnt doing hip hop either. You worse thsn the puerto ricans with these blatant lies. I know all blacks wanna be apart of the origins of hip hop. But it was exclusively a nyc thing. Nobody took southern rap seriously until the late 90s
@Dr.DerrickColonHipHopHistory I explained exactly why they initially never heard of him right here even with info graphics for you; ruclips.net/video/7ptG5mf1Nx0/видео.htmlsi=exHCRJjPBuM4L4XU&t=775 All through your video you claimed "they never heard of him" in all sorts of ridiculous contexts, when it actually only pertained to Cool Earl and the day he started tagging. here you are pretending "there are guys who never heard of him" (NEVER) 1:14 writing I thought cornbread was first in 1:18 fact there are guys that never even 1:21 heard of cornbread same context, you pretending Cool Earl NEVER heard of him you clipped the real context WHEN HE STARTED 1:41 so you can hear cool Earl saying we 1:45 never even heard of cornbread for 1:47 someone who claimed to have bombed the 1:51 city this guy they never even heard 1:54 of 1:55 him that's interesting Here is Sidney Padwee LITERALLY talking about CornBread (hitting the airport) and his article he says "CornBread King of The Walls" those names were 1:58 every place you could couldn't you 2:00 couldn't help but see them uh these kids 2:03 got around they were they they were 2:07 amazing their range where they were so 2:10 it didn't matter if it was you know 2:12 North Philadelphia didn't matter if it 2:13 was out by the airport it was you just 2:16 saw their names and here you come pretending Cool Earl's comment (the day he started) was in the same context those names were every 2:18 place he just said yet cool Earl says we 2:22 never heard of him and here you are pretending the day CornBread was released EVERYONE was supposed to see his tag "everywhere" in the city in 67 he sees the gang names on 8:22 the walls so he's influenced by gang 8:25 graffiti and then in ' 67 when he comes 8:28 out he writes his name the this is what 8:31 he says he writes his name 8:34 everywhere yet cool Earl 8:37 says we we never heard of 8:39 him again you miscontextualized what Cool Earl said about the day he started. you said you were a writer? I bet no one ever heard of you. I bet known writers from your area in your town never even heard of you. see how that works. wheres all your tags at - you said you were out there getting up - why do we have no evidence of that? for your sake, it would be good if you really are just a lying amateur propagandist trying to make it big. Otherwise seek help immediately. This Monday, get on google "latinx therapist" and make an appointment. Show them your video, then show them mine. I will even make a gofundme to pay for it. I make the same offer to Flat Earthers and Q-Anons because thats where this is headed for you. - no joke -
What was the first ever graffiti? The earliest forms of graffiti date back to 30,000 years in the form of prehistoric cave paintings and pictographs using tools such as animal bones and pigments. These illustrations were often placed in ceremonial and sacred locations inside the caves. - How did graffiti get its name? The word 'Graffiti' is derived from the Greek word 'Graffein', meaning to write, draw, or scratch, and the label came about long b efore the arrival of Cornbread in Philadelphia in the late 1960s. In fact, the term was first coined in 1851 when inscriptions were found scratched into the walls of the ruins of Pompeii -Who came up with graffiti? Early exponents of graffiti in art included the French artist Jean Dubuffet who incorporated tags and graphic motifs into his paintings, and the New York artists Jean-Michel Basquiat and Keith Haring who could be defined as street art pioneers. Those are facts.
All those facts work as an argument against Julio 204, Taki 183 and whoever else as well… ..and actually don’t mean anything to me when it’s not what we are talking about here. Thanks for the comment tho
@@AKiEM. Those facts I presented shows the origins of Graffiti. It's fun facts, information laying around for whoever has those questions, your audience would appreciate it. That's all I'm talking about no matter who it works against, Idgaf who it works against I'm not bias like most people. As far as the 70s- 80s during the development of hip hop, yes Puerto Ricans dominated the graffiti and Breaking scene.
American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that predated it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim you co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, The Radical Latino, Fat Joe and numerous un-informed latinos---claims latinos never mentioned or verbalized during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly becoming scrutinized and debunked--widespread. Make it make sense Latinos.
@@harrysmith-g8k Of the 16 music forms mentioned above, you decided to hone-in on one. And ONLY one. Anyway, Bluegrass song and performing was deeply influenced by Blues, Black Field Hollers and African American Psalm Singing. The African (particularly West African) influence on Bluegrass is just essential as european influence. Black Music is the most dominant music in the world--whose creative genres is spread the world over. Just add Country and Bluegrass to the list and get over it.
Being from bk and much younger.. who cares ? Its all black culture . Northeast cities in general have major similarities. One thing I like about my gen we can take ideas from each other while still showing love .. older gen seems to be real stingy with their culture towards one another
THIS IS ILADEPH GRAFF HISTORY RESPECT IT. THIS IS NOT NY DONT CAPARE IT. TWO DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS. WERE THERE ANY PHILY RICANS TAGGING WHEN CORNBREAD WENTUP?
It's possible to not hear of anyone if your not on they side of town or part of the city. Depends how extensive your writing journeys are remember this is 1969-1971 Get the time line correct. Do the proper research I already seen the doc."Wall Writers" got the book and heard the personal testimonies from the writers. Not a lil here, a lil there, then build my thoughts on that it's incomplete.🤔🤔🤔🥴
Thats my point, Cool Earl wasnt there when CornBread started in N Philly We both have the doc and the book - If I left something relevant out - LMK 1965 is the date the info in my vid starts
@AKiEM. Blacks didn't invent hip hop. Jews did. When you bop your head front and back and your body front to back to a song you like, you are imitating the jewish prayer.
@@JRnycbullshit....let alone wall writings go back to the HYROGLYPHS of Egypt on walls and the mains sound of hiphop is Bass Drum which came outta Africa.......jews just got money to back it.. They have no rythmn or GIFT OF GAB!!
Who's a Myth? Julio 204 because he is the only person that ain't been able to be reached. Taki 183 did a interview. If you watched to the end the article was on a Puerto Rican in Philly that they thought was Cornbread and his Crew is still alive to verify his accounts.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 Oh, don't give me that crap Cornbread was the first graffiti writer back n North Philadelphia. Than it spread from there to New York
@@Talkmyishh but CornBread sparked a cultural movement which is part of Hip-Hop Culture. Killroy was here is not part of HH. Bird Lives in not HH. Jesus Saves is not HH. God is Love Bobby Beck is not HH.
@@AKiEM. so then what’s your point. I never said he never saw him. If cornbread was first and bombed the city, why did earl or the other writers never see his name of heard of him. Why?
this video makes zero sense and the cornbread topic makes even less sense.. how does cornbread matter in new york city if cornbreafd ONLY iINFLUENCED PHILADELPHIA!! this means he could have started in 500 b.c and would still be irrelavent to the topuc of hip hop graffiti. cornbread refrences are only revevant for forced FBA credit. tariq went to a whole nother ciity that has nothing to do with the culture inits infancy as he didnt inspire anyone here. what difference does it make when cornbread started? julio is relevant because of WERE HE WAS.
So Philly never influenced NY or vice verse? All Philly Graff and everything influenced from Philly is not HHC, ok… And all the fame Cornbread and Philly gets is because of FBA, again ok…
@@AKiEM. you got my attention for sure i am open to any evidence and i mean hard evidence to prove philly influenced washington heights or even brooklyn taggers from the early 60 to late 60s then you would have an argunment that would require even more digging. there were kids tagging in wash heights before 1965. some of wich were white ( I didnt even know that).
In 1969 I remember going to the Treymore hotel in Atlantic City memorial day weekend it was called Omega by the Sea part 1 September Labor Day weekend was omega by the sea part 2 Philadelphia flooded Atlantic City during the era.
I know you're not being funny and that guy is the king of reachin. He's tried to Make a Is procustean bed out of everything he's just trying to cut things off amd add his own hogwash to fit his lie. He's been doing that ever since we said anything. He's not a reliable source at all. It's all lies with him for someone that's a Christian. He should be ashamed of himself for the sin of lying so much . He needs to repent
Birthplace of hip hop? Graffiti has nothing to do with hiphop initially. It wasn’t until Bambata talked about the elements that they started putting them together. The Bronx is the birthplace of hiphop.
No. Graffiti was a precursor form of Hip-Hop, an Element. And those elements largely came from outside the BX. BX was instrumental in bringing them together, but they were already associated before Bamduski had the power/media to name it.
Not really there were whites, blacks and Latinos writing n the Bronx and many of them listened to rock etc.. like I said it wasn’t until the 70’s they were put together. I know I was born in the bx in 73.my brother graduated from Dewitt Clinton hs in 1979 and knew many of the pioneers in hip hop. In ny it was more multicultural when it came to graff. Julio 204 started in like 68/69. There was no hip hop yet.
Did you see/hear my response to the article? You actually believe Dr. Kool no1 was an established wall writer at the level he was mentoring Cornbread? That makes sense to you? If so that means Graff certainly started in PA before NY. Cool Earl said "we never heard of him..." - what was the very next thing he said? What evidence do you have CornBread lied about tagging the Jackson's plane? troll, grift, or delusion this is flat earth type ish - you have divorced from reality - you need a councilor
42:20 Man I Hollerd!!!! Dope Work!! Black American Culture isn’t limited to N.Y.C. 👍🏿
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Dr Colon is batshit crazy 🤣
Back in the day, riding the 34 trolley, as soon as went into the 40th St. tunnel, you'd see 'CornBread' under each light
DR. Colon got nothing, he's pretty much building a platform discrediting real pioneers.
I gave Colon that work on this topic (on my page) so bad he was scared to reply to the receipts I even had Randee quite as a mouse
Im going to watch all those - he was in the comments?
@@AKiEM. Randee was in the Riff170 video comments; Colon stayed ghost because I had schooled him before on the topic in a older Cornbread video he had on his own page
Lie-Tinos have been living up to their name for years as far as hip hop is concerned.
Lie Tinos
“In Fact” Dr colonizer is delusional 😂
I diagnosed him with cognitive dissonance months ago................. "Doctor" Zulu King Amin ♠️
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first off this an attack from cornbread on nyc culture...he is not first...there is proof enough of that and i am not talking about other graff movements, i am talking about 1967...and he is stealing intellectual property from ronald fair...cornbread is a dirtbag and horrible liar and people are focused on dr colon....give me a break cornbread never had no hollywood agents come to do a life story on him and he never tagged no 747 jet and he never wrote on the outside of a skyscraper and i can keep going about his lies....stop focusing on dr colon and realize their is a bigger liar then colon can ever be and that is cornbread for sure.....
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Yes, was once President of Chapter 7. Was once Young Spade Div 18.... Was recently a Member of Div 17. I'm not worried about Cornbread... Or Colon, but I'm open to Information.... Zulu King Amin ♠️
@@BruceSwitzer-yq1yy ok no prob, if you think it is ok that cornbread trying to take away nyc history and we should just allow it, then we dont have anything to talk about, if you are not sure what i am referencing then you might want to know about his claims, yes we can both forget dr colon
He's lied so much that he believes his own lies. At this point, he making the case for us. No one with a brain should take him or any of these other clowns seriously.
He really is making the case 😂
He makes it so easy! But we still got wight America & puerto Ricins believing this guy and pushing that agenda we gotta unite
Yeah Colon sounding crazee at this point. He gonna try to nuance us to death. 😅😂
"CORNBREAD" HANDS DOWN. "PHASE 2" (NYC) TOOK IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL 💯
Does Dr. Colon even have a doctorate? If so what discipline did he earn a doctorate in and where did he do his graduate studies?
He isn't a doctor actually. I seen video when he talked about it. Calls himself that for another reason
@gboogie360 so dude is a liar?
This just proves everything didn't start in NYC period
also facts!
You are correct; however, Foundational Americans in the Bronx made it well-known as Hip Hop culture!
@TheGeeLuv according to people in NYC since they believe they lies they tell. How would people from NYC know that since they was only living in nyc. Do know that outside of nyc in the early 80s none care about those from NYC
@TheGeeLuv like when MC hammer put that song out in the 80 call turn the mutha out just show no one was feeling nyc
@TheGeeLuv u must have forgot people from Radio station was rocking Noone outside of nyc.
So u go tell me DC Philly, California la..Miami, HOUSTON, CHICAGO etc etc didn't it known without NYC please
Great work!
As usual. ♠️
Dr Cool #1 was the same age as Cornbread. I saw my first Cool Earl and Cornbread at the Parkview station on the Norristown line. I have seen Cornbread and Tity in New York,Boston,and even Chicago. I still don’t know why Kidd’s partner Bad Bow isn’t mentioned. As for the era we all rolled along to the Gamble/Huff beat.
@@ThomRealEstate-k1y I think I’ve only heard Bad Bow mentioned once. Can you tell me what years you seen them up in other cities? That’s something I’ve hardly heard at all. Let me know another way to contact you.
@@AKiEM. I saw a faded Cornbread at a train station in the Bronx in 1976. In Boston it was all along wnat was the old Orange line in 1971 on a family trip. The ones I saw in Chicago was 1974 in a parking garage at Lake and Wells in 1974. I moved to NY in 1976 and in Freeport NY both Tity and Cornbread had tagged Main Street pretty good,some of those tags were there for years!
This guy Dr colon got some nerve who gave him the authority to say who is what in Black American culture.
If New York Griffiti artists never heard of Cornbread, so what? They met each other later and had a mutual respect for one another
I met cornbread last year 2023, still alive and well looked-like to me. peace to ole'head...
Graffiti in Philadelphia started with the gangs and what made it a "culture" was the penmanship or "hand" style of each artist, which became their signature. Some of that focus on penmanship can possibly be traced back to the constitution written in Philadelphia, which also has elaborate penmanship. That elaborate lettering and the dedication towards perfecting them is what made it an art form that was born in Philadelphia. In conjunction with that was the other aspect of "street" culture also adopted by the gangs, which was the acapella tradition which is way older and not limited to Philadelphia. It is the tradition of singing on the corner or doing improvised rhymes over top of beats banged out on a car or trash can became a form of entertainment. That rhyming acapella tradition is the connection to hip hop and also survives in the traditions of the DJs who also rhymed while playing records, such as Jocko Henderson a who was born in Baltimore and played on the radio in New York and later became famous in Philadelphia. That acapella tradition of rhyming goes back a long way and can be seen in the 1940s with groups like The Mills Brothers and old Warner Bros cartoons like "Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs". On a side note, the other aspect that arose with Philly gangs (and was in other cities) was the pretty boy style of dress which can be seen in the old photos of Cornbread and Cool Earl which look very much like Run DMC from years later. But many of the New York gangs, or at least the more famous ones, were more like what you saw in the Warriors.
Thank you for this comment. I am looking for more example of the early Gang penmanship. Do you know anything about the events in Atlantic City?
Doo woop is the precursor to hiphop
Colon doesn’t know squiddly about that era. I was there and Chewy Cool Earl Cornbread Tity and others ruled the walls. When I was 14, I was inspired to pick up a spray can and go for it. I remember that Kidd had a partner named Bad Bow. Us Philadelphia artists usually worked in pairs that’s why we were so hard to catch. I was associated with the Klub City Decorators. What ripper of a time that was!
Word, thanks for the comment. Working in pairs, that explains some things. KCD was pretty early right? Do you know about what year yall started? Did yall do social functions or was it strictly Graff?
@@AKiEM. I started in1972 and we were mainly graffiti I ran with TBone Slixx Chixx and Noxxy. I knew Toke Flea BIC and alot of other graffiti artists. I was for a while on Mayor Rizzos 10 most wanted.! I never got caught or I wold have ended up in Cornbreads alma mater aka the Youth Study Center
KCD was almost late to the party they started early 1973 or so
@@ThomRealEstate-k1y The fact that Philly had crews and an actual Graff Culture says a whole lot about what Hip-Hop actually is, that history needs to be preserved.
I just don't understand why this clown still trying to make a point. He lost every conversation. He should just give up.
I’m 72 years old born and raise in Philadelphia. grew up in the gang war era being a former gang member myself I remember seeing the name cornbread all over the city. That was in the mid 60s I have all my faculties and I don’t my medication.
I lived in West Philly during the gang war era untill we moved I remember seeing Cornbread spray painted all over the city. I lived this.
Now we got Ant all over from chester to Philly xD
@@jemahoney when I moved from Philadelphia to NYC I was at the LIRR station in Freeport where my family moved to. I saw that Cornbread and Tity had visited and it was like I met old friends again. Alot of the Philadelphia artists have visited NY it’s a cheap train ride away.
Cornbread, Kool Earl ICP 60's and 70's Donk Bugg Bobby Beck Hit a few SEPTA buses and Trolleys in my time, I never hit anyone's home.
Appreciate this brother! Setting the record straight 👊🏿
Keep pushing facts 🖤🦍✔️
Grafitti was started in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in the late 60's early 70's not in NY philly wall writers, took or introduced that art to NY. in the 70's
This definitely debunks Dr Colon and Pr's even being predominate in Grafitti. Very educational. Thank u for this info. Hip Hop is truly Black American culture. Hip Hop was a stronghold in many Black American communities across the USA and to me it was a direct result from the aftermath of The Civil Rights / Black Power mvts of the late 60's into the early 70's. Things in the Black communities were shifting to a more cultural arts and self expression of there culture through music, dance, and forming of gangs to keep what the mvt established in terms of Black togetherness and combat racism in move in the grass roots level in each Black urban area. Including NYC, Philly, Detroit, LA, Chicago, Newark, Miami, Atlanta, Baltimore, DC. Hip Hop was going on in every black community in there own way. But NYC the Bronx got the credit because it was the biggest urban area and everything popular gets credited from NYC because its the Mecca of the USA thats it. But Hip Hop takes takes from all Black communities because its our culture period.
Hip hop has nothing to do with graffiti.
Idk how I got here but I’m glad I’m here
That Julio fraud shit is crazy!! To Dr.ing up photos?? WOW!! Philly is and always will b the father of Graff!!
I can't go with colon on this one... I'm from NYC, the bronx, moved to Philly and camden and spent all my teenage years there. I know philly graff history and NYC and although ny was first to do the double wide letters, bubble letters etc but weren't the first to write regular tags, it was philly. Since the 60s.. how far back in the 60s idk.. I know TAKI wrote in 60s too but idk how far back ✌ hip hop did not start in Philadelphia, knock it off lol....
Did Graff start in Philly tho?
@@AKiEM.I would say yes. But that is a never ending argument between Philly and NY lol. I've been in these arguments since I was young. I used to write too in both cities. But I would definitely say Philly was 1st
@@gboogie360 I think it starts in both cities separately. If I ever get to it I will do a vid explaining a theory…. Thanks for your comments ✌️
ay look, what you ain't gon' believe is that hip-hop was born in philaedelphia on 5.17.1972, in north philly where the zulu nation originated back in the 1960s. find out the hard way though.
@@215Christ tell me more, what’s that date?
I’m 31 and when you get into graff ya parents tell you bout cornbread! Hell CORNBREAD SISTER IS MY DAMN NEIGHBOR LOL !!
Dr Colon definitely missed the train on this one! I found that the makeup of Philadelphia’s graffiti artists were of all races. Also about 30 to 35 percent of them at that time were female. As a former aspiring KCD associate I ran with 2,SlixxChixx and Noxxy. I knew other queens of krylon like K Rat Mee Kee Tiny and a few others . I really get annoyed by college bred nitwits who never experienced the life,just making their dissertations from flow charts.
He claimed to be active Rochester but you can tell by a lot what he’s claimed he has no idea what he’s talking about. Thanks for your comments, Philly history needs a lot more recognition.
There is a great documentary on RUclips. The title is Sly Artistic City and it’s a great accurate story of that era. I’m in the group picture of the KCD along with my fellow artists,enjoy!
can I ask you some questions? email me akiem.hhc@gmail.com
@@AKiEM. I really don’t have an email address,all I have is the handheld that I have here
@@ThomRealEstate-k1y ok. Is there another way to contact you?
Check out the 2018 documentary Wall Writers it explains everything about Cornbread and Philadelphia.
What he meant was as a youth cornbeard raised himself that boy as a Graffiti Arts❗️👈🏿
I think Cornbread was the most famous writer out of Philly but there were thousands of writers in Philly before NY graffitti got big, graffitti is part of youth culture kids were tagging walls but a few became prolific.
You’re missing Chaz in 1969…which was totally different spectrum of style
As stated before hip hop is Black culture created in Black communities across America. You could find the same hip hop culture in Philly, Baltimore, DC, Atlanta, in the 60s, it wasn’t exclusive to NY. James Brown helped spread that culture on his Night Train in 1958. Ny was late to the game. Stop the Latino NY myth get out of the fairytale NY trick box. Hip hop is ever evolving Black culture. Nothing boma, plena, mariachi, Mumbo sombrero 1 gear stagnant Latino culture about it. Latinos are lost in America experiencing an identity crisis.
Ur wrong u get F.. domimlnican Puerto Rican Cubans only NYC blacks created hip hop..hip hop NYC culture not black
Dude u have zero clue what the hell u talking about. Hop hop was not happening in all the cities back in the 60s. DC to this day still doesnt do hip hop, go-go music runs thr scene out there. Atlanta wasnt doing hip hop either. You worse thsn the puerto ricans with these blatant lies. I know all blacks wanna be apart of the origins of hip hop. But it was exclusively a nyc thing. Nobody took southern rap seriously until the late 90s
Latinos lost ??jlo,fat joe nyc
@robluv4592 And u a lunatic culture vulture. Blacks created hip hop. Puerto Ricans participated
Wow
@Dr.DerrickColonHipHopHistory
I explained exactly why they initially never heard of him right here even with info graphics for you;
ruclips.net/video/7ptG5mf1Nx0/видео.htmlsi=exHCRJjPBuM4L4XU&t=775
All through your video you claimed "they never heard of him" in all sorts of ridiculous contexts, when it actually only pertained to Cool Earl and the day he started tagging.
here you are pretending "there are guys who never heard of him" (NEVER)
1:14
writing I thought cornbread was first in
1:18
fact there are guys that never even
1:21
heard of cornbread
same context, you pretending Cool Earl NEVER heard of him
you clipped the real context WHEN HE STARTED
1:41
so you can hear cool Earl saying we
1:45
never even heard of cornbread for
1:47
someone who claimed to have bombed the
1:51
city this guy they never even heard
1:54
of
1:55
him that's interesting
Here is Sidney Padwee LITERALLY talking about CornBread (hitting the airport)
and his article he says "CornBread King of The Walls"
those names were
1:58
every place you could couldn't you
2:00
couldn't help but see them uh these kids
2:03
got around they were they they were
2:07
amazing their range where they were so
2:10
it didn't matter if it was you know
2:12
North Philadelphia didn't matter if it
2:13
was out by the airport it was you just
2:16
saw their names
and here you come pretending Cool Earl's comment (the day he started) was in the same context
those names were every
2:18
place he just said yet cool Earl says we
2:22
never heard of him
and here you are pretending the day CornBread was released EVERYONE was supposed to see his tag "everywhere" in the city in 67
he sees the gang names on
8:22
the walls so he's influenced by gang
8:25
graffiti and then in ' 67 when he comes
8:28
out he writes his name the this is what
8:31
he says he writes his name
8:34
everywhere yet cool Earl
8:37
says we we never heard of
8:39
him
again you miscontextualized what Cool Earl said about the day he started.
you said you were a writer? I bet no one ever heard of you. I bet known writers from your area in your town never even heard of you. see how that works. wheres all your tags at - you said you were out there getting up - why do we have no evidence of that?
for your sake, it would be good if you really are just a lying amateur propagandist trying to make it big. Otherwise seek help immediately. This Monday, get on google "latinx therapist" and make an appointment. Show them your video, then show them mine. I will even make a gofundme to pay for it. I make the same offer to Flat Earthers and Q-Anons because thats where this is headed for you. - no joke -
Cornbread was the creator of modern graffiti. Hip Hop appeared years after Cornbread hung up his spray cans.
Cornbread...... phillys own!!
What was the first ever graffiti?
The earliest forms of graffiti date back to 30,000 years in the form of prehistoric cave paintings and pictographs using tools such as animal bones and pigments. These illustrations were often placed in ceremonial and sacred locations inside the caves.
- How did graffiti get its name?
The word 'Graffiti' is derived from the Greek word 'Graffein', meaning to write, draw, or scratch, and the label came about long b
efore the arrival of Cornbread in Philadelphia in the late 1960s. In fact, the term was first coined in 1851 when inscriptions were found scratched into the walls of the ruins of Pompeii
-Who came up with graffiti?
Early exponents of graffiti in art included the French artist Jean Dubuffet who incorporated tags and graphic motifs into his paintings, and the New York artists Jean-Michel Basquiat and Keith Haring who could be defined as street art pioneers.
Those are facts.
All those facts work as an argument against Julio 204, Taki 183 and whoever else as well…
..and actually don’t mean anything to me when it’s not what we are talking about here.
Thanks for the comment tho
@@AKiEM. Those facts I presented shows the origins of Graffiti. It's fun facts, information laying around for whoever has those questions, your audience would appreciate it. That's all I'm talking about no matter who it works against, Idgaf who it works against I'm not bias like most people. As far as the 70s- 80s during the development of hip hop, yes Puerto Ricans dominated the graffiti and Breaking scene.
@@JoseBXNY 🥱😴
@@AKiEM. 🤡
Great work👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly..
Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that predated it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim you co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, The Radical Latino, Fat Joe and numerous un-informed latinos---claims latinos never mentioned or verbalized during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly becoming scrutinized and debunked--widespread.
Make it make sense Latinos.
@@harrysmith-g8k
Of the 16 music forms mentioned above, you decided to hone-in on one. And ONLY one.
Anyway, Bluegrass song and performing was deeply influenced by Blues, Black Field Hollers and African American Psalm Singing. The African (particularly West African) influence on Bluegrass is just essential as european influence.
Black Music is the most dominant music in the world--whose creative genres is spread the world over.
Just add Country and Bluegrass to the list and get over it.
Being from bk and much younger.. who cares ? Its all black culture . Northeast cities in general have major similarities. One thing I like about my gen we can take ideas from each other while still showing love .. older gen seems to be real stingy with their culture towards one another
eventually you will learn there are people who will claim there is no black culture and say its their culture
THAT WOULD BE THE NON EDUCATED INDIVDUALS WHO LISTEN TO THE HE SAIDS SHE SAIDS BS
CORN BREAD WAS THE FIRST IN PHILY
BUT NOT THE ENTIRE
USA......
LOOK FOR MOVIES
FROM 62 AND UP
SEE THE DATES
YOU SEE TAGS UP.
I
THIS IS ILADEPH GRAFF HISTORY
RESPECT IT.
THIS IS NOT NY
DONT CAPARE IT.
TWO DIFFERENT
MOVEMENTS.
WERE THERE ANY
PHILY RICANS TAGGING
WHEN CORNBREAD
WENTUP?
AND LOOK AT THE AGES
THEASE KATS ARE IN THEY LATE 60S
WHATS YOUR AGES MENG......
IM TALKING TO THE
DEBATERS ?
ALL IS SAID FROM HORSES MOUTH
Great work
This is just sad
It's possible to not hear of anyone if your not on they side of town or part of the city. Depends how extensive your writing journeys are remember this is 1969-1971 Get the time line correct. Do the proper research I already seen the doc."Wall Writers" got the book and heard the personal testimonies from the writers. Not a lil here, a lil there, then build my thoughts on that it's incomplete.🤔🤔🤔🥴
Thats my point, Cool Earl wasnt there when CornBread started in N Philly
We both have the doc and the book - If I left something relevant out - LMK
1965 is the date the info in my vid starts
whats wrong with the timeline?
He never did one outline. 😂😂😂
Graff was around from BC era by the Greeks.
Next you are going to say Greeks invented Hip-Hop 😂
@AKiEM. Blacks didn't invent hip hop. Jews did.
When you bop your head front and back and your body front to back to a song you like, you are imitating the jewish prayer.
@@JRnyc well I was close!
😂😂😂😂
@@JRnycbullshit....let alone wall writings go back to the HYROGLYPHS of Egypt on walls and the mains sound of hiphop is Bass Drum which came outta Africa.......jews just got money to back it.. They have no rythmn or GIFT OF GAB!!
Just prove that he's a myth ...
Who's a Myth? Julio 204 because he is the only person that ain't been able to be reached. Taki 183 did a interview. If you watched to the end the article was on a Puerto Rican in Philly that they thought was Cornbread and his Crew is still alive to verify his accounts.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 Oh, don't give me that crap Cornbread was the first graffiti writer back n North Philadelphia. Than it spread from there to New York
@@lroyjetsonson5060 Hell Nah, if your dumb ass watch the video and the guy just say that Cornbread was the first graffiti writer.
@@donaldmccall3968 it spread from NY to Philadelphia is just as crap
@@AKiEM. No it spread from Philadelphia to New York
Cornbread wasnt the originator of graffiti writing....In that old 1960s movie the west side story there was graffiti on the walls
You think west side story is the origin of graffiti ?
😂
There was graffiti seen in NY when Cornbread was just a baby. He's the first to get famous off of it, but not the first to create it.
People put words on wall for thousands of years - obviously 🙄
@@AKiEM. Exactly 💯 even bubble letters.
@@Talkmyishh but CornBread sparked a cultural movement which is part of Hip-Hop Culture. Killroy was here is not part of HH. Bird Lives in not HH. Jesus Saves is not HH. God is Love Bobby Beck is not HH.
Hes the first writer in phily not NY
So was cool earl lying? I didn’t say it he did.
no
@@AKiEM. so then what’s your point. I never said he never saw him. If cornbread was first and bombed the city, why did earl or the other writers never see his name of heard of him. Why?
@@DrDerrickColon replied in the comments
@@DrDerrickColonI highly doubt you were a known writter
@@AKiEM. nyc no, Rochester yes. I explained that in the video.
this video makes zero sense and the cornbread topic makes even less sense.. how does cornbread matter in new york city if cornbreafd ONLY iINFLUENCED PHILADELPHIA!! this means he could have started in 500 b.c and would still be irrelavent to the topuc of hip hop graffiti. cornbread refrences are only revevant for forced FBA credit. tariq went to a whole nother ciity that has nothing to do with the culture inits infancy as he didnt inspire anyone here. what difference does it make when cornbread started? julio is relevant because of WERE HE WAS.
So Philly never influenced NY or vice verse? All Philly Graff and everything influenced from Philly is not HHC, ok… And all the fame Cornbread and Philly gets is because of FBA, again ok…
@@AKiEM. you got my attention for sure i am open to any evidence and i mean hard evidence to prove philly influenced washington heights or even brooklyn taggers from the early 60 to late 60s then you would have an argunment that would require even more digging. there were kids tagging in wash heights before 1965. some of wich were white ( I didnt even know that).
In 1969 I remember going to the Treymore hotel in Atlantic City memorial day weekend it was called Omega by the Sea part 1 September Labor Day weekend was omega by the sea part 2 Philadelphia flooded Atlantic City during the era.
Peace, thank you for your comment. could you send me an email if you are willing to answer some questions for me? akiem.hhc@gmail.com
Thanks for deleting my comments and responses ✌️
@@CLOUTDEATHNYC unless you where spamming or refusing to answer questions while babbling and babbling I didn’t delete your comments
I know you're not being funny and that guy is the king of reachin. He's tried to Make a Is procustean bed out of everything he's just trying to cut things off amd add his own hogwash to fit his lie. He's been doing that ever since we said anything. He's not a reliable source at all. It's all lies with him for someone that's a Christian. He should be ashamed of himself for the sin of lying so much . He needs to repent
You squirrel chasers gots give up already 😂hip hop did not start in south 😂
and so came the weasels & haters...........................
NY CAN TAKE IT BACK TO 63 WITH THE GANG CULTURE
LOOK FOR THE FILMS
SEEK THE 411
Birthplace of hip hop? Graffiti has nothing to do with hiphop initially. It wasn’t until Bambata talked about the elements that they started putting them together. The Bronx is the birthplace of hiphop.
No. Graffiti was a precursor form of Hip-Hop, an Element. And those elements largely came from outside the BX.
BX was instrumental in bringing them together, but they were already associated before Bamduski had the power/media to name it.
Not really there were whites, blacks and Latinos writing n the Bronx and many of them listened to rock etc.. like I said it wasn’t until the 70’s they were put together. I know I was born in the bx in 73.my brother graduated from Dewitt Clinton hs in 1979 and knew many of the pioneers in hip hop. In ny it was more multicultural when it came to graff. Julio 204 started in like 68/69. There was no hip hop yet.
@@michaelsmith-ws2mb like I said Graff didn’t start in the BX according to all accounts.
Nooooo NYC birth of hip hop .Bronx created burnt building s
Dude, there’s graffiti in Ancient Rome…
…and y’all drew on cave wall before that.
Why did you bring up ‘Ancient Rome specifically?
Waaaay off topic...
Bro I didn’t write the article they did. He said he never heard of him. He also lied about writing on Jackson five plane.
Did you see/hear my response to the article? You actually believe Dr. Kool no1 was an established wall writer at the level he was mentoring Cornbread? That makes sense to you? If so that means Graff certainly started in PA before NY.
Cool Earl said "we never heard of him..." - what was the very next thing he said?
What evidence do you have CornBread lied about tagging the Jackson's plane?
troll, grift, or delusion this is flat earth type ish - you have divorced from reality - you need a councilor
and no answers
@@AKiEM. his partners said it never happened. It in my video.
@@DrDerrickColon that’s a lie or a delusion
And no answer to my questions
@@AKiEM. bro watch the video again and they tell you that all lies about writing on the plane, that never happened is what they say.
Who corn bread . Never ever heard this mr .. clue less..west side story in 60s writing graffiti...gang graffiti not hip hop
Maybe you are drunk here. If you want to reconfigure your comment, go ahead.
Y'all liers hating on NYC culture FOH
@@AngelRivera-vh7bz where’s the lie ?
@@AKiEM. The whole documentary is a lie
@@AngelRivera-vh7bz what documentary are you talking about? Name one lie I told or why are you even here commenting.
@@AKiEM. NYC f*** the south
u punching air son
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