It has become the industry standard, but it wasn't always the case. I'm old enough to remember a time when Disney meant old timey cutesy bland expressions. There was a Family Guy scene where they parody old Disney films.
Inbetweens just refer to the drawings between the key poses here they are talking about extreme poses and accent poses which are often keys but can also be in between drawings.
In betweens refer to the drawings we make in between key poses, what they are referring to here are accent poses and extreme poses extreme poses are often keys but accent poses are more often in betweens.
There are a lot of movements that go into even the simplest parts of the human body from walking to talking to running jumping. Whatever else have you. The same goes with faces. You don't go straight from happy to sad just like that you know, not in a natural state, not with complex emotions and you're in a maybe a complex situation. You know it's more. It's more fluid that way with those crazy ugly faces in there in my opinion. I'm solidly sure I'm explaining that right.
@@nekofrost9935 Old Disney had no real evident emotion in the character. The Disney that did the "ugly faces" had emotions. Do you know why that is? Of course you don't, you wouldn't have said something so stupid if you did. If your face is placid all the time, there is no transition. The same way that if you take a picture at just the right time a cats sneeze is funny and ugly. It's okay that you're stupid, just keep it to yourself.
Smears are amazingly integral to stylisation! You don’t notice them, but you definitely FEEL them during a normal watch. Makes animations feel a lot more fluid
Yes but those are not smear frames at all. Smear = motion blur. Happens between key frames. Again many people here seems to now know what a smear frame is. Which is funny as the name itself says it all what they are. Physical Distortion / deformation not tied to motion = not smear frame. Exaggerating = not smear frame. Visual Stretching to give speed enhancements simulating camera shutter motion blur (the smear) = smear frame. Then sometimes of course it can be a fine line between the smear “deformation” and the actually deformation caused by the action
I think hes saying smear as in, smearing the facial expressions a character goes through Not smearing LINES, but smearing more of an idea, or process, or.... something like that. Lol
These exaggerated expressions are what make the animation look so appealing and fluid. That split second of a funny face creates a smooth and appealing transition in movement.
Maybe he mean her “funny/silly” faces in awkward moments. For me the only shot when she was “ugly” is the moment where king Triton make a deal with Ursula
@@smoking_lab_rat The whole message of the video is confusing for me. It was like they were saying the older artists didn't like what the younger artists were doing. But the older artist explained that if they had to choose between making Ariel pretty or real, they would choose real.
@@leilaniaragonyou are confused a little. The “older artist” here, Glen Keane, is actually one of the younger artists that the video is talking about, and that in his day the older artists would prefer prettier expressions over real ones.
Exactly! Look, take any video of anybody and go through it frame by frame and you will see the exact same kind of "funny images". We all make "silly faces" as our facial expressions change and flow. That's what real faces do. And adding that to animation makes it seem much more natural and alive.
You know how the back of tapestries are, just a mess of tangles and knots that's hold the beautiful design in the front together? Well, I think of smear frames as those ugly knots and tangles. They make the animation look fluid and organic.
@@tigerlight3930 Same. Sometimes the single thread in the tapestry can only see the backside of the tapestry, and all its fellow threads tangled up with it. It looks to the thread like it's part of a jumbled, knotted mess. That's why it can't see its purpose in the pattern of the grand design.
they're not hiding anything, it's a smear frame which is just transitions in between scenes I'm sorry but please stop responding!! I can't handle the amount of notifications 😭
they still do this look up "noodle bones" or "noodle joints" its basically how they make smear frames in modern games you wont notice it unless you pause it but makes animation look way smoother in games
They are! I'm a nineties kid and grew up with vhs. When we got the vhs tape of the lion king, I paused our vcr at just the right moment during the scene where Simba lays on the grass and the dandelion seeds blow into the air. The seeds spell the word SEX in all caps for an 16th of a second or so. The way they had to animate the drawings frame by frame back then, there's no way that wasn't done on purpose.
@@anitagarcia8056They put the letters S.F.X in a lot of Disney movies as an inside joke. In animation its short form for "Special Effects". Every time it shows up in Disney Films it's on a special effect (like Dust or water splashes) it's like putting a post it note that says 'Fridge' on your fridge.... that's the joke.
That's not really what they were talking about. They weren't mad about smear frames. They were talking about the over all expressions and moments, not individual frames. Animators have been using exaggerated smear frames since forever. This is pretty much misinformation
Technically speaking the video never says it's smear frames? Obviously smear frames have been around since the very beginning. In any case the video is very confusingly put together.
I think it’s more realistic to have ugly, misplaced moments. We do it in real life all the time 😂😂😂 imagine how many “ugly” moments we’ve had that other people saw and we didn’t realize it
I used to replay that scene in Iron Giant when I was a kid because I found it absolutely hilarious. Mansley as a character was just hilarious in general.
I don't think he's talking exclusively about smear frames. Smear frames are distortions of the characters features that make them flow with the next frame, he's talking specifically about sneakily thrown in exaggerated facial expressions where the animators could have avoided popping the characters eyes and making them look more silly but chose to have some fun with it
@@niedzisiaj6645 Real actually I get what you mean. Imo they are still effectively smear frames, but less for actual smear motions, and more for character/motion emphasis. I wish there were an actual term for it (unless there is in which case I may be stupid 💀)
Me and my mom literally used to have a game we played called Funny Freeze Frames. If we paused a movie on a funny freeze frame (normally to go and get snacks or something), we’d shout “funny freeze frame!” and start laughing.
I don't know this channel but this short popped up on my feed and I'm gobsmacked at how ill-informed and stupid a channel supposedly about Animation could possibly be
The short never implied they were only going to talk about disney animation. That was never the argument, even though the vast majority of what we see as examples are from disney (gee, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that disney has basically almost monopolized animation, drowning out their competitors, with bad consequences for everybody as a result, but that's american capitalism for you.) The argument is that YOUNGER generations of animators were and are more prone to using "funny" in-between frames as a way of stylization, as opposed to the older generations requiring every frame to be equally "realistic". The real take-away is that this new stylization created a more fluid and "alive" style that creates energy and sometimes comedy. THE HORROR, TRULY THE YOUTH WILL RUIN CIVILIZATION.
@@RedFloyd469 The thumbnail is literally a non-Disney image. It IS implied by the title it will be about Disney. All those words you took all that time to type out were irrellevant.
@@TheMenaceHimself2006 indie shows are independent. Of course it won't compare to some billion dollar budget cartoon, W2h is literally animated/written by 1 person lol
I kinda hate when people say it's ugly frames. Like yeah they are but it's to make it smoother. Animation has its tricks and not everything looks beautiful. It's the same for 3d storyboards, or storyboards in general. It's not completed work but it's needed
Glen Keane is talking about something completely different here. He’s referring to the expressions or drawings in a more general way. He’s not talking about the smears or extreme inbetweens.
i LOVE MISINOFORMATION RAAAA imagine writing this script, finding videos, and then putting it on there, there is so much time in those steps to be like "huh maybe this is wrong"
Yeah this video is kinda dumb lol. Those drawings aren't just easter eggs. They're extremes. They're on screen for one or two frames max and they're meant to be the most extreme pose in an action. When you see someone get punched in slow motion you wouldn't say that its an easter eggs face he's making .2 seconds after getting punched. It's just what faces do.
@@hamiltonsupreme8191 oh boy.. i really dont know how to respond to this comment. Are you that ignorant? Im guessing youre a child, or just dont know how the internet works. Either or. Please use a small portion of your already small brain. Do your own research. Here as an example: if i grab a piece of paper. And write the word “cake” on it. And tell you. I have cake. Does that make it a cake? No it doesnt (im really hoping youre smart enough to understand this analogy but I genuinely have very low expectations) He didnt show an once of evidence. He showed smear frames. (Which if you do a quick google search, you would know what they are) have a good day bud, please. Think before you comment.
I always like to imagine the 'ugly' expressions were a chance for the animators to blow of steam and have a chuckle, giving them a bit more pep to carry on with the slog afterwards.
@@MrBrax But he talks about Disney Animators, he only introduces thru other animated stuff, but the core of the video is between two generations of Disney animators
These small frames give you reason to watch the movie again to see if you can spot them. I rewatched Invader Zim to see how many Bloody Girrs I could find.
They do a good job of really instilling action and emotions in a way that is essentially subliminal. As a wise man once said "they don't know they saw it. But they did. Even a hummingbird couldn't catch Tyler at work."
I remember watching The Iron Giant as a kid with my cousins and one of them had to use the restroom and paused it at that exact moment and all of us were just dying of laughter and he came back out, saw it and started laughing with us. Good times. That made me laugh seeing it again 😂
Actually, those funny frames are called smear frames. They are the frames in between movements (fast ones) so simulate quickly moving objects. Like when you flick a pencil up and down you don’t see every single frame. You see a smear in the middle. Hence the name “smear” frames! :)
“The Animators weren’t happy.” Given how the Cinderella horse (Major?) reacts to the Fairy Godmother saying “mice,” I’m suspicious. Also, to those saying “Iron Giant isn’t a Disney movie.” I am very much a stickler for things like that. And since the focus was more on funny animation frames in general, not exclusively Disney, I’m willing to let it slide; I didn’t even realize it was being suggested here.
Brad Bird was the director and also had been an animator. Even if it wasn't disney, I'm sure he was well aware of these animation tactics?gags? whatever theyre called, he knew what he was doing
They might have chosen real over pretty, but the younger animators chose pacing and fluidity over real. And the latter creates a more memorable final product
That’s the thing that’s not what they are actually talking about. They aren’t talking about smear frames like examples given in this short. They are just talking about about the animations being more cartoony.
the train scene in Anastasia as they are trying to fix the broken rail chain thing has thee funniest expressions ive ever seen when pausing, frame by frame is comedy gold
I’ve always seen these as a more emphasized portrayal of the intended emotion. Honestly without these smaller moments the films would not have the same feel as they do and imo I think give it more life
The first time I noticed that as a kid was in "The sword in the stone" when Arthur touches the sword and gets shocked by the angelic light coming down making his eyes bulge out.
"Appeal" is one of the twelve principles of animation. It's a normal question to ask as an animator. One example of how appeal is used when characters are made round to make them seem more friendly, such as with Kirby. The artists have to think about how each character will "appeal" to the audience. Since each character is different and the tone of each story is different, the artists have to think of different ways to make them appealing each time. One person thought the "ugly" frames appealed more, and the other person thought the "not ugly" frames would appeal more.
Those are the most memorable character moments. I just rewatched the little mermaid the other day and I was impressed again at the work that went into the animation in general, but the characters, especially. Granted, the continuity on her face is really erratic at times.
It’s not about “sneaking in a funny face” it’s called pushing the expression. When the sequence plays it all flows together. In betweens are just that… in between the key frames. (I’ve have a degree in animation).
tween frames and smear frames and transitions and all the other words are so much fun! i absolutely love that one screenshot where someone paused "Beauty and the Beast" during that scene this short showed and Gaston's head was like, phasing through his body
No matter what time period we're in there is always a group of old people to ruin the excitement! I hope when I'm old I will still be curious and excited to see things change 😊
one of my favorite moments in a recent disney movie is in Encanto. when Mirabel is going to join Luisa and she bumps into Isabella and she says "wHaT iS yOuR pRobLeM?!"
"Smear" frames are a similar concept and also just as important for adding movement and energy to an animation! Makes for some hilarious still frames too 😂
This reminds me of a not-so-recent meme trend where they would pause the animation mid-movement to show how "bad" the animation was. Not realizing that those were deliberate techniques to make the characters move more smoothly.
me and my brother noticed that iron giant frame. we kept replaying and pausing it and laughed so hard out stomachs hurt, we loved it as kids and its still one of my favorite movies of all time
My little sister noticed this with one time when we were watching the Little Mermaid. Flounder makes a very funny face for a split second when explaining something to King Triton. The face shows up when Flounder mentions Scuttle the Seagull.
It's not intended as a secret joke, it serves the purpose of visual emotion. You don't just see the expression, you feel it too. It gives more personality to the animated characters.
SpongeBob is huge with this too. I mean I suppose a lot of animated things are, but SpongeBob seems like you can damn near pause it at anytime in an episode and someone will be funny looking
I knew things would get better with my brother when he checked himself into rehab of his own free will. He's almost 2 years strong. I have hope for Jack.
My little brother would do this all day, with every movie he watched or video game he played. He would always pause it every time he seen a funny/crazy face and would laugh his ass off.😂😂
Well said. Nothing is going to be constantly peasing and appealing to the eye, especially specific eyes. It adds character and turns whats a simple movie into something more. Hence the iron giant scene.
My grandfather, Vernon G Witt, was a Disney artist, and a ornery one at that. They loved sneaking those frames in, especially to make a dirty jokes, we even still have some sketches of frames and characters that'd be considered off color
I haven't heard anyone say it but this kind of happens IRL too. You see someone laugh and you think "how cute"; you take a picture in the wrong moment and they look like they want to eat your face.
I can’t tell you how many times me and my siblings replayed that bathroom scene from the iron giant where Kent gets his face smashed in the doorway and we would all be laughing so hard. In my opinion, the funny part of the animation is always the best part.
My siblings and i used to pause iron giant at that exact scene every time it came up and just laugh our asses off😆 miss those days. Pretty sure there are a couple other scenes specifically involving Mansley, where he just makes some absolutely ridiculous faces😅
my dad essentially did that one time or two when we got Aladdin on VHS tape; used the step-pause button to study the wild takes, frame by frame. it blew my mind how much can change in1/25th of a second X3
I would always notice those weird frames but found them hilarious, sometimes I would pause the movie on one of those frames by accident and would have a laughing fit literally one of my fav childhood memories
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The “in betweens” can make a character way more expressive and is barely noticeable
Ya especially when you give the priest a heart on & you draw in a bunch of 🐔’s on the movie cover…
It has become the industry standard, but it wasn't always the case. I'm old enough to remember a time when Disney meant old timey cutesy bland expressions.
There was a Family Guy scene where they parody old Disney films.
Inbetweens just refer to the drawings between the key poses here they are talking about extreme poses and accent poses which are often keys but can also be in between drawings.
In betweens refer to the drawings we make in between key poses, what they are referring to here are accent poses and extreme poses extreme poses are often keys but accent poses are more often in betweens.
It's noticeable on a subconscious level, in a good way
the thing is though, the "ugly" faces make the animation flow so so nicely. it makes things bouncy and fluid. its not really that hidden IMO
I think maybe the faces didn't flow, and that's why they were ugly.
You think they hate it just because it's ugly? It's because it's not supposed to be there.
There are a lot of movements that go into even the simplest parts of the human body from walking to talking to running jumping. Whatever else have you. The same goes with faces. You don't go straight from happy to sad just like that you know, not in a natural state, not with complex emotions and you're in a maybe a complex situation. You know it's more. It's more fluid that way with those crazy ugly faces in there in my opinion.
I'm solidly sure I'm explaining that right.
@@nekofrost9935 Old Disney had no real evident emotion in the character.
The Disney that did the "ugly faces" had emotions. Do you know why that is? Of course you don't, you wouldn't have said something so stupid if you did.
If your face is placid all the time, there is no transition. The same way that if you take a picture at just the right time a cats sneeze is funny and ugly.
It's okay that you're stupid, just keep it to yourself.
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The first pause doesn’t count because you’re supposed to see the silly expression. It’s the crux of a visual gag.
Maybe this video is about visual gags and nit smear frames. 🤔
I honestly have no idea.
@@baggelissonicyeah, videos like these are always confusing
Videos like this are made only for views
Gaston's expression is part of a gag as well. This video is dumb.
Smears are amazingly integral to stylisation! You don’t notice them, but you definitely FEEL them during a normal watch. Makes animations feel a lot more fluid
Yes but those are not smear frames at all. Smear = motion blur. Happens between key frames. Again many people here seems to now know what a smear frame is. Which is funny as the name itself says it all what they are.
Physical Distortion / deformation not tied to motion = not smear frame. Exaggerating = not smear frame.
Visual Stretching to give speed enhancements simulating camera shutter motion blur (the smear) = smear frame.
Then sometimes of course it can be a fine line between the smear “deformation” and the actually deformation caused by the action
no, YOU dont notice the... most of US do in fact notice them 😂
I think hes saying smear as in, smearing the facial expressions a character goes through
Not smearing LINES, but smearing more of an idea, or process, or.... something like that. Lol
If u feel them u notice them…
@@William-Morey-Bakeronly ones that are supposed to be seen or ones that are exaggerated are ones you notice, not hidden ones
These exaggerated expressions are what make the animation look so appealing and fluid. That split second of a funny face creates a smooth and appealing transition in movement.
I think we need an example of what was an "ugly" expression for Ariel.
Maybe he mean her “funny/silly” faces in awkward moments. For me the only shot when she was “ugly” is the moment where king Triton make a deal with Ursula
@@smoking_lab_rat The whole message of the video is confusing for me. It was like they were saying the older artists didn't like what the younger artists were doing. But the older artist explained that if they had to choose between making Ariel pretty or real, they would choose real.
@@leilaniaragon dont be so serious about what this channel sending. Sometimes his vids have no clue
@@leilaniaragonyou are confused a little. The “older artist” here, Glen Keane, is actually one of the younger artists that the video is talking about, and that in his day the older artists would prefer prettier expressions over real ones.
@seyyednaqvi6760 thank you--the video makes more sense
For the record, The Iron Giant is created by Warner Bros and director Brad Bird. Before he did The Incredibles in the 2000’s
Yeah, implying that The Iron Giant was Disney is so insulting to the genius of that movie 😂
I love watching the iron giant. It was one of my favorites growing up.
I did the exact same thing!@@mirandanavarro7585
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Animation needs to be exaggerated to flow right. It's not just "hiding funny images" rather showing bounce and emotion.
Sounds like the creator of this video has not animated any 2d works at all.
it's not always a need cause it depends on the style tbf lol
@highdefinition450 Have you ever animated a Bouncing Ball? Yes you do.
Exactly! Look, take any video of anybody and go through it frame by frame and you will see the exact same kind of "funny images". We all make "silly faces" as our facial expressions change and flow. That's what real faces do. And adding that to animation makes it seem much more natural and alive.
HHHH YEA THAT ANNOYED ME SO MUCH-
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they got mad the teenager wasn’t sexy enough
disney moment
Mansley getting his face stuck in the slamming door is hilarious.
You know how the back of tapestries are, just a mess of tangles and knots that's hold the beautiful design in the front together? Well, I think of smear frames as those ugly knots and tangles. They make the animation look fluid and organic.
Same with cells in general. The backs are painted mess
Thats a beautiful way to put it😮❤
I'd rather look at those smears.
Hehe, I Just remember 🎶Heaven's eye🎶
@@tigerlight3930 Same. Sometimes the single thread in the tapestry can only see the backside of the tapestry, and all its fellow threads tangled up with it. It looks to the thread like it's part of a jumbled, knotted mess. That's why it can't see its purpose in the pattern of the grand design.
they're not hiding anything, it's a smear frame which is just transitions in between scenes
I'm sorry but please stop responding!! I can't handle the amount of notifications 😭
The majority of the time that’s the case. However, the animator may also want to draw a funny frame every now and then
they still do this look up "noodle bones" or "noodle joints" its basically how they make smear frames in modern games you wont notice it unless you pause it but makes animation look way smoother in games
They are! I'm a nineties kid and grew up with vhs. When we got the vhs tape of the lion king, I paused our vcr at just the right moment during the scene where Simba lays on the grass and the dandelion seeds blow into the air. The seeds spell the word SEX in all caps for an 16th of a second or so. The way they had to animate the drawings frame by frame back then, there's no way that wasn't done on purpose.
@@anitagarcia8056They put the letters S.F.X in a lot of Disney movies as an inside joke. In animation its short form for "Special Effects". Every time it shows up in Disney Films it's on a special effect (like Dust or water splashes) it's like putting a post it note that says 'Fridge' on your fridge.... that's the joke.
@@horrorvictim ig someone messed up the F lol
That's not really what they were talking about. They weren't mad about smear frames. They were talking about the over all expressions and moments, not individual frames. Animators have been using exaggerated smear frames since forever. This is pretty much misinformation
Reported the video for misinformation
Guessed so
Exactly! The creator of the video did not understand at all what Glen Keane was referring to, and completely misinterpreted everything
Technically speaking the video never says it's smear frames? Obviously smear frames have been around since the very beginning. In any case the video is very confusingly put together.
They didn’t even know Iron Giant isn’t a Disney movie 🙄 that’s when I knew to stop listening lol
When you pause a speech, the speaker seems to have hidden a funny face during the speech, what a hilarious detail!
I think it’s more realistic to have ugly, misplaced moments. We do it in real life all the time 😂😂😂 imagine how many “ugly” moments we’ve had that other people saw and we didn’t realize it
I used to replay that scene in Iron Giant when I was a kid because I found it absolutely hilarious. Mansley as a character was just hilarious in general.
I LOVE THE IRON GIANT
I did the same thing. Especially the phone scene😂
Absolutely! Love iron giant! My all time favorite! He was hilarious with that exlax going and pooping everywhere around town! 😅🤣👌🏻
Iron giant was wb though, so it doesn't fit here.
Me too. That cracked me up. Have to watch it with the kids again.
That is the most complicated way to try and explain smear frames
I was gonna say are these not just what smears are ?? 💀💀
EXACTLY-
Yep, they could have saved some time and confusion by just saying they were smear frames
I don't think he's talking exclusively about smear frames. Smear frames are distortions of the characters features that make them flow with the next frame, he's talking specifically about sneakily thrown in exaggerated facial expressions where the animators could have avoided popping the characters eyes and making them look more silly but chose to have some fun with it
@@niedzisiaj6645 Real actually I get what you mean. Imo they are still effectively smear frames, but less for actual smear motions, and more for character/motion emphasis. I wish there were an actual term for it (unless there is in which case I may be stupid 💀)
Me and my mom literally used to have a game we played called Funny Freeze Frames. If we paused a movie on a funny freeze frame (normally to go and get snacks or something), we’d shout “funny freeze frame!” and start laughing.
thats so cute i will do this when i have kids one day^^
My dad's really good at doing this completely unintentionally 😂
Game? Was there a point system or something?
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@@lapetitemorte6307, Nah; It was just whoever could get the funniest freeze frame, lol
Love that you start this short about Disney animation with a shot from a Warner Brother's movie. Great research!
I don't know this channel but this short popped up on my feed and I'm gobsmacked at how ill-informed and stupid a channel supposedly about Animation could possibly be
The short never implied they were only going to talk about disney animation. That was never the argument, even though the vast majority of what we see as examples are from disney (gee, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that disney has basically almost monopolized animation, drowning out their competitors, with bad consequences for everybody as a result, but that's american capitalism for you.)
The argument is that YOUNGER generations of animators were and are more prone to using "funny" in-between frames as a way of stylization, as opposed to the older generations requiring every frame to be equally "realistic".
The real take-away is that this new stylization created a more fluid and "alive" style that creates energy and sometimes comedy. THE HORROR, TRULY THE YOUTH WILL RUIN CIVILIZATION.
@@RedFloyd469 The thumbnail is literally a non-Disney image. It IS implied by the title it will be about Disney. All those words you took all that time to type out were irrellevant.
it’s called a smear frame. They do it a lot. They do it for saving money and making it easier.
you’re welcome for explaining
Its not for saving money OR for making it easier but you got the name right
It makes the character more relatable, likeable and loveable.
It annoys me how the animators were so upset over this. Its not that big of a deal. No one is looking perfect in case a camera flashes at them 24/7
I can confirm, that animating smear frames is far funnier than just seeing them.
It’s called smear frames, often used to make an animation smoother.
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@@aaronthecatten what's so good about it?
@@Prrojiya17 it's Sock from Welcome to Hell, an animation series on RUclips!! Sadly only has 1 episode though
@@aaronthecatten Ngl, a good portion of indie shows are kinda mid.
@@TheMenaceHimself2006 indie shows are independent. Of course it won't compare to some billion dollar budget cartoon, W2h is literally animated/written by 1 person lol
so that's why the earlier princesses look uncannily perfect...
Mr. Keane, I can personally assure you that Ariel was ALWAYS appealing in EVERY way!
Go straight to jail.
Go straight to jail.
That Gaston Frame Is Still Burning In My Head
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Merry Ghostmas!
@@Enirahtak8 Finally,Someone Recognize Blockhead Lmao
@@LucasLaFontant Yep! 😆
I kinda hate when people say it's ugly frames. Like yeah they are but it's to make it smoother. Animation has its tricks and not everything looks beautiful. It's the same for 3d storyboards, or storyboards in general. It's not completed work but it's needed
Glen Keane is talking about something completely different here. He’s referring to the expressions or drawings in a more general way. He’s not talking about the smears or extreme inbetweens.
Thanks for the explanation :)
@@Makememesandmore :)
Thought so. It wouldn’t make sense for them to be critical of it either since it pretty much defines their era.
Thought I was crazy cause I didn't see a clear connection between the two things
The guy's face getting squashed by the door seemed perfectly appropriate.
The yoshi noise as his head gets smashed by the door is diabolical. 😂😂
As a lover of visual humor, I'm so glad they pushed towards this change.
They do it to this day. Pause the Frozen movie, just as Anna is punching Hans. The intent of her fist meeting his face is priceless.
i LOVE MISINOFORMATION RAAAA imagine writing this script, finding videos, and then putting it on there, there is so much time in those steps to be like "huh maybe this is wrong"
Yeah this video is kinda dumb lol. Those drawings aren't just easter eggs. They're extremes. They're on screen for one or two frames max and they're meant to be the most extreme pose in an action. When you see someone get punched in slow motion you wouldn't say that its an easter eggs face he's making .2 seconds after getting punched. It's just what faces do.
Bro literally brought video evidence and you call it misinformation?
@@hamiltonsupreme8191 The video evidence doesn't support what he says lol.
@@hamiltonsupreme8191 oh boy.. i really dont know how to respond to this comment. Are you that ignorant? Im guessing youre a child, or just dont know how the internet works. Either or. Please use a small portion of your already small brain. Do your own research.
Here as an example: if i grab a piece of paper. And write the word “cake” on it. And tell you. I have cake. Does that make it a cake? No it doesnt (im really hoping youre smart enough to understand this analogy but I genuinely have very low expectations)
He didnt show an once of evidence. He showed smear frames. (Which if you do a quick google search, you would know what they are) have a good day bud, please. Think before you comment.
@@hamiltonsupreme8191Video evidence of someone saying something isn't video evidence of the thing being true. Please learn this.
I always like to imagine the 'ugly' expressions were a chance for the animators to blow of steam and have a chuckle, giving them a bit more pep to carry on with the slog afterwards.
Funny thing is that's what makes Ariel so freaking special ❤❤❤
Repeat after me: The Iron Giant is NOT a Disney movie!
Uh...okay :)
The iron Giant is NOT a mov-
Wait what :(
When did they say it was?
@@diegocalderon5190the title
@@MrBrax But he talks about Disney Animators, he only introduces thru other animated stuff, but the core of the video is between two generations of Disney animators
These small frames give you reason to watch the movie again to see if you can spot them. I rewatched Invader Zim to see how many Bloody Girrs I could find.
I thought that was a creepypasta is that actually real
@@GippyHappyYeah, it is. Look it up on RUclips, the animators of Invader Zim snuck it in there in some episodes for a single frame
Ohh here comes the fun police☹️
F those boomers
Aka boomers
They do a good job of really instilling action and emotions in a way that is essentially subliminal. As a wise man once said "they don't know they saw it. But they did. Even a hummingbird couldn't catch Tyler at work."
I remember watching The Iron Giant as a kid with my cousins and one of them had to use the restroom and paused it at that exact moment and all of us were just dying of laughter and he came back out, saw it and started laughing with us. Good times. That made me laugh seeing it again 😂
Actually, those funny frames are called smear frames. They are the frames in between movements (fast ones) so simulate quickly moving objects. Like when you flick a pencil up and down you don’t see every single frame. You see a smear in the middle. Hence the name “smear” frames! :)
“The Animators weren’t happy.”
Given how the Cinderella horse (Major?) reacts to the Fairy Godmother saying “mice,” I’m suspicious.
Also, to those saying “Iron Giant isn’t a Disney movie.” I am very much a stickler for things like that.
And since the focus was more on funny animation frames in general, not exclusively Disney, I’m willing to let it slide; I didn’t even realize it was being suggested here.
Brad Bird was the director and also had been an animator. Even if it wasn't disney, I'm sure he was well aware of these animation tactics?gags? whatever theyre called, he knew what he was doing
it makes animation much more fluid, sometimes giving it a "bouncy" effect. i LOVE it as an artist
it’s so natural bc we have “ugly faces” too. i love this 😂🫶🏼
They might have chosen real over pretty, but the younger animators chose pacing and fluidity over real. And the latter creates a more memorable final product
Older animators: "Animation is SERIOUS!"
Young animators: "Hehe. Funni faces."
Movie watchers: "Ayo look at this goofy smear frame."
I love this so much
That’s the thing that’s not what they are actually talking about. They aren’t talking about smear frames like examples given in this short. They are just talking about about the animations being more cartoony.
Right thing is if you pause a video of someone talking irl theres gonna be frames where the person looks ugly or goofy
the train scene in Anastasia as they are trying to fix the broken rail chain thing has thee funniest expressions ive ever seen when pausing, frame by frame is comedy gold
But it made so many of us kids happy when we’d pause the frame on our VHSs! 😁
I’ve always seen these as a more emphasized portrayal of the intended emotion. Honestly without these smaller moments the films would not have the same feel as they do and imo I think give it more life
The first time I noticed that as a kid was in "The sword in the stone" when Arthur touches the sword and gets shocked by the angelic light coming down making his eyes bulge out.
Uh. How old was the person who said Ariel wasn't "appealing" in some shots? Just. Just curious.
"Appeal" is one of the twelve principles of animation. It's a normal question to ask as an animator. One example of how appeal is used when characters are made round to make them seem more friendly, such as with Kirby. The artists have to think about how each character will "appeal" to the audience. Since each character is different and the tone of each story is different, the artists have to think of different ways to make them appealing each time. One person thought the "ugly" frames appealed more, and the other person thought the "not ugly" frames would appeal more.
@cetitanenthusiast776 thank you for explaining that, the phrase was very concerning to someone with no animation knowledge (me)
I love that they chose "real" over "pretty" for a young female character. 🥰
They're mostly in-betweens, this funny draiwngs make the animation more fluid
This song/video is so underrated. Really dig the vibe, very fun!
Those are the most memorable character moments. I just rewatched the little mermaid the other day and I was impressed again at the work that went into the animation in general, but the characters, especially. Granted, the continuity on her face is really erratic at times.
I love that this is still a thing with cgi. Just watch Hans getting punched in slow mo in frozen.
Fun police
Also, The Iron Giant wasn’t made by Disney, yes, they own it, but it was made way before Disney brought Fox
It's by Warner Brothers lol
Relax it was just an example clip
It's freeze-frames that make everything perfect.
It’s not about “sneaking in a funny face” it’s called pushing the expression. When the sequence plays it all flows together. In betweens are just that… in between the key frames. (I’ve have a degree in animation).
tween frames and smear frames and transitions and all the other words are so much fun! i absolutely love that one screenshot where someone paused "Beauty and the Beast" during that scene this short showed and Gaston's head was like, phasing through his body
No matter what time period we're in there is always a group of old people to ruin the excitement! I hope when I'm old I will still be curious and excited to see things change 😊
You will grower wiser and see your errs
Just wait till you grew older and more experience.
Funny images can actually make the animation easier, and it helps a lot with fast movements
These “ugly” expressions are our memes now. They are CRITICAL
When my brothers and I were kids we paused the tv on that exact scene of the iron giant and laughed for 30 mins. It’s a fond memory.
one of my favorite moments in a recent disney movie is in Encanto. when Mirabel is going to join Luisa and she bumps into Isabella and she says "wHaT iS yOuR pRobLeM?!"
These are just smear frames, bro what are you yapping about?
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The iron giant’s not Disney.
"Smear" frames are a similar concept and also just as important for adding movement and energy to an animation! Makes for some hilarious still frames too 😂
That scene from The Iron Giant when the mom slams his face into the door is literally one of my favorite scenes 😂 so glad it made it to the film ❤
“One second, you’re watching a serious character”
*Shows Gaston*
This reminds me of a not-so-recent meme trend where they would pause the animation mid-movement to show how "bad" the animation was. Not realizing that those were deliberate techniques to make the characters move more smoothly.
The younger animators knew what's up. It's fun, emotive, surreal but conveys emotional realism. The memes we get now are just a very nice bonus.
Games do it too. Even serious ones. I personally think it makes the animation much more alive
me and my brother noticed that iron giant frame. we kept replaying and pausing it and laughed so hard out stomachs hurt, we loved it as kids and its still one of my favorite movies of all time
Animation back then was so damn good, all of my cartoon crushes were Disney animations
I’d much rather have an animated piece full of “ugly” panels and expressions over ones that are forced to look perfect/pretty throughout
My little sister noticed this with one time when we were watching the Little Mermaid. Flounder makes a very funny face for a split second when explaining something to King Triton. The face shows up when Flounder mentions Scuttle the Seagull.
I always loved these sort frames. I paused movies to find these all the time growing up.
The face Simba makes looks like the face the temmie in the tem shop makes when you decline selling something.
It's not intended as a secret joke, it serves the purpose of visual emotion. You don't just see the expression, you feel it too. It gives more personality to the animated characters.
“Kent Mansley. You work for the government.”
Perfect movie.
We called them “stop faces” and they’re a treasure to laugh at as a kid so I’m glad they’re there
I’m honestly so inspired by traditional animators. I wish I could create something like this
SpongeBob is huge with this too. I mean I suppose a lot of animated things are, but SpongeBob seems like you can damn near pause it at anytime in an episode and someone will be funny looking
Smear frames are absolutely funny but also absolutely awesome when you don't hit pause 😂
I thought the funny faces were just standard for creating animations. Interesting to hear the classic artists tried to keep it as real as possible.
I knew things would get better with my brother when he checked himself into rehab of his own free will. He's almost 2 years strong. I have hope for Jack.
My little brother would do this all day, with every movie he watched or video game he played. He would always pause it every time he seen a funny/crazy face and would laugh his ass off.😂😂
Well said. Nothing is going to be constantly peasing and appealing to the eye, especially specific eyes. It adds character and turns whats a simple movie into something more. Hence the iron giant scene.
My grandfather, Vernon G Witt, was a Disney artist, and a ornery one at that. They loved sneaking those frames in, especially to make a dirty jokes, we even still have some sketches of frames and characters that'd be considered off color
Thats something i love about one piece, he really isn't afraid to make even characters who are meant to be attractive pull ugly faces.
He's not being simply critical of people pausing frames, he's criticizing the idea that a charcter shouldn't be threedimensional
I haven't heard anyone say it but this kind of happens IRL too. You see someone laugh and you think "how cute"; you take a picture in the wrong moment and they look like they want to eat your face.
I can’t tell you how many times me and my siblings replayed that bathroom scene from the iron giant where Kent gets his face smashed in the doorway and we would all be laughing so hard. In my opinion, the funny part of the animation is always the best part.
My siblings and i used to pause iron giant at that exact scene every time it came up and just laugh our asses off😆 miss those days.
Pretty sure there are a couple other scenes specifically involving Mansley, where he just makes some absolutely ridiculous faces😅
my dad essentially did that one time or two when we got Aladdin on VHS tape; used the step-pause button to study the wild takes, frame by frame. it blew my mind how much can change in1/25th of a second X3
I wonder what the older animators thought about all the hidden phallic symbols
A lot of those "ugly" faces are part of the stretch-and-squash fundamentals, to add anticipation to the movement and make it flow.
I would always notice those weird frames but found them hilarious, sometimes I would pause the movie on one of those frames by accident and would have a laughing fit literally one of my fav childhood memories