@@MarioGarcia-tr4ev neither of you are wrong a lot of other metal heads really are boring people to talk too. They just say they’re interesting people to talk to because they listen to a genre of music that not many people listen too. Which all of a sudden makes them intelligent
@@MarioGarcia-tr4ev I like quite a bit of metal, but yeah, I'm not into musical tribes, because rarely do I relate to most people in those tribes and their "values". To me it's just another form of conformity. I've had quite a few metalhead friends and either they changed (most of them gave up on their metalhead look phase at some point) or they stopped being my friends.....because they DO tend to be incredibly one-dimensional.
+Amy McGuire It's funny because all three are equally versed in prog, with Steven being more prog than metal (though he has metal cred) and don't get me started on the Katatonia debacle. Still, good choices for heroes as any. Also, same last name. He he.
I met him at a meet and greet at a record store last year and I didn't get that impression at all. He was very down to earth and appreciative of everyone's compliments.
@immortalperser misleading... but still right. What you said is true, and it happens in music in general. People are starting to get tired of some clichés. I started to get into the whole Metal scene recently and one of the things that annoy me the most is that i see the same motifs and themes over and over and over again. Metal covers, in general are, as Wilson said, absolutely tasteless. Just look at the "In Waves" cover (Trivium). Now that's a decent album cover.
I love Steven when he laughs. Though it doesn't happen very often, does it? I ALWAYS love him anyway :) Those two are a great couple, can't wait for their album to come out!
I feel an album cover should reflect the bands lyrics and music within the album. It just wouldn't be right to have a death metal album with positive and uplifting images on an album cover.
@Soilwar Well, two thirds of that dream has actually come true. Steven Wilson and Mikael Akerfeldt are releasing an album next year under the project name Storm Corrosion. Should be released in April. It's not very Opeth and not very Porcupine Tree, something neither of them have ever done they said. I'm curious, if you're looking at how different Opeth's Heritage and Steven Wilson's Grace For Drowning sound, this could be a very very interesting release...
@EITrollo I guess they're right about the cliché though, but so many bands are also amazingly good at what they would call cliché metal. A band that springs to mind when talking about cliché of hard rock and metal is Airbourne. They're rock & roll to the point it seems silly, but then again, they're so fucking good at what they do. So I don't mind. I think it's a bit offensive of Mikael/Steven, considering both these men are on Roadrunner, a label with many of these 'cliché' rock/metal groups.
What they mean by the term 'cliche' in Metal, is the way that a lot of Metal bands advertise themselves all-round. In that respect, I agree with these 3 legendary musicians.
@lasoogneypubes He was most likely in a bad mood that day, whenever he's in a bad mood on stage you can tell because he becomes incredibly awkward. On the other hand, I saw him on his recent solo tour and after the concert he sat on the edge of the stage talking to fans and answering question for an hour and a half. All musicians have their off nights, you most likely caught him on one of those.
***** I am pretty sure that Immortal does that on purpose beause they just don't take themselves too seriously. Have you seen their interviews or music videos? Abbath is basically the comedian of Black metal, lol.
@@mancodrigal as much as I agree with this lol... There are cliche things associated with every other genre of music... Not limited to metal... It's when you get into what's beneath it on the surfac level is when you start to appreciate the genre.
It's nice to hear that he is humble. I believe you. People are complex, and show different sides to themselves at different times. The impression of him that I got from this video was arrogance.
Yeah I totally agree with the whole metal cliche thing, the dark clothing that befits the musical style can seem intimidating and therefore I suppose people associate metal bands with being tough, and angry and "scary" so that is how they will pose. I think in a way it is a method of keeping metal music feeling alternative and secluded from pop culture because metal bands create a physical facade in photographs that would put a conventional person off.
I mean, the same happens with hio hop, but that genre neve it's being called out about their obvious clichés, they have a Lot of "look mean, look dangerous, look tough" bs and for some reason only metal gets shitted on by that
3 kings of terribly sad none mainstream music none but the outsiders outsider type 2000's kids and old unsexy men cares about 😢 i like all 3 bands, im 34 years old. Stuck in the past
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that they are laughing about a photo shoot with him holding a sword while he's wearing a shirt with Conan holding a sword?
@essengeebee He's also in bloodbath, if your assuming katatonia isn't heavy enough and he used have pretty kick ass death metal voice. He's has a damn good right to talk about metal
We fans also does this with our own styles that the conventional folk would frown upon as though we are less metal for having friends that do not share our musical dark side. I was very emphatic about this when I was younger but I am starting to think is this necessary? In my experience if you don't have anything in common with someone you stop speaking to them and get on with your life, but if you get on well with them then what does it matter if your musical interests are different?
finally, I've been looking for that picture of him with the sword forever! yay! He actually doesn't look as stupid as I thought he might have, he actually DOES look kind of cool :P
@lasoogneypubes Personally, I know he's not like that. He loves his fans very dearly, I noticed that when I met him. The music is very complex, sometimes they need to focus very much on what they're doing or planning to do on stage. I mean, I look pissed off when I'm playing guitar, people always tell me. Doesn't mean I'm not nice. At the Grace for Drowning tour, Steven Wilson didn't say a word to the crowd, I think. But I know they were trying very hard to keep their focus on the music.
theres always a sense of cliche' in the music world its very hard sometimes not to be. but its all subjective and down to an individuals taste which is something i think Steven Wilson understands but just comes across as intolerant.
@magpie1862 Yeah I was surprised too, the previous times I'd seen SW in concert, with Blackfield and PT, they did take time to talk between songs. But I know SW wanted this Grace for Drowning show to be a "visually spectacular" show, to let the music and images do all the talking. To be honest, it did surpass my past concert experiences with PT and Blackfield. This was even better than a regular PT show.
@EITrollo I respect your opinion... the only people who would probably agree with what's being said in this video are people who are and will be fans regardless... it's perhaps harsh from Mikael to just state 'there's not many good metal bands'... It's still a matter of taste really, Opeth and SW's music are probably what's best for us, but it's shit for so many other people. I guess many fans and the artists themselves consider prog to be at a higher level of music and intelligence... I dunno
@lasoogneypubes I can somehow see where you are coming from though, if I step out of my shoes for a bit. On Insurgentes, Steven does criticise lots of things in music or how people choose to experience music nowadays, almost like he's preaching. But in the right groups of music fans, he has reached that level of status where many people will respect him for it. After all, everyone's entitled to an opinion, also Steven. But it's not cos I'm a fan or you are, that we have to agree with him.
@EITrollo Well I think much of what you said can be argued. 1) Yes to an extent, it depends on what you mean though. Is it pretentious? Yes, is it normal prog lyric fare? No not really, it has Wilson's own style to it 2) Akerfag? Really? That's just a pointless immature quip just hurt you on making any point. Also, four words: Pressure from record label. 3) Ya Akerfeldt and Wilson do take a rather holier than thou stance, but remember that Akerfeldt has been in the metal world for 20 years now.
absolutely, when I watch the Sanctitude live album I can't help but marvel at how much he looks like a ghost,it translates just amazingly well in that setting; and that doleful voice...ahh my feelings
You have missed the point here. Metal is NOT just cookie-monster vocals and generic riffs, there are a vast amount of bands that incorporate a huge amount of memorable melodic structures into their work. Again the real 'cliche' is the way that a lot of Metal bands advertise themselves to the media. Why not just let the music do the talking?
@lasoogneypubes i think you've got that wrong. I used to think the same thing, until I realized- the man is not a dick. Just socially awkward. He's probably not really all that arrogant, even though it may seem so, he's just really introverted.
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I wanna see 30 minutes of these guys chatting like this.
3 legends of sad music
The other two are just lucky to be sharing the same space with Steven Wilson hahahaha
@@Sanjayadhikari1other way round lol
@@Sanjayadhikari1terrible take
@@raptorrsr5817 also terrible take
nice some good ol fashioned prog beef letsgo boysss
That'd be a really good lineup for a tour actually: Porcupine Tree, Katatonia, and Opeth :)
+Aaron Gentry Tour of the century. The only thing that could beat it is Slayer, Anthrax and Death Angel. Oh wait.
Won't happen because Porcupine Tree do not exist anymore
***** Instead it would have to be SW solo
"Special guest, Dan Swallo"
Pier-Andrea Bascetto SW/Opeth/Katatonia/Dan Swano? That’d be the tour package to end all tour packages!
"YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK MEAN!"
Also Steven's urge to hold back the laugh after Mikael tells him of the old photo XD.
Absolutely love Steven's reaction hahaha!
Absolutely love Steven's reaction hahaha!
+23-Infinity yes :)
And I love that in one video of steven, he have the photo printed and in a frame on his table
Yeeeeah, we all have ears, thank you .
the conan shirt makes this better
steven wilson is totally a metalhead at heart een though he doesn't like to admit it.
He doesn't admit it because most of metal fans are lame af. I'm a metalhead myself aswell, but I totally understand him.
@@MarioGarcia-tr4ev neither of you are wrong a lot of other metal heads really are boring people to talk too. They just say they’re interesting people to talk to because they listen to a genre of music that not many people listen too. Which all of a sudden makes them intelligent
@@eduardovelasquez1488 they act like they are different, yet they end up being very simmilar.
@@MarioGarcia-tr4ev exactly that’s what I’m saying lol
@@MarioGarcia-tr4ev I like quite a bit of metal, but yeah, I'm not into musical tribes, because rarely do I relate to most people in those tribes and their "values". To me it's just another form of conformity. I've had quite a few metalhead friends and either they changed (most of them gave up on their metalhead look phase at some point) or they stopped being my friends.....because they DO tend to be incredibly one-dimensional.
How did the room not explode with the amount of talent in that room...
AND THIS ONE DID GO FRAMED TO HIS WALL! (Everyone who watched the Q&A session on Facebook will understand)
I'm not sure if he actually hung it on his wall (I hope he did), but man did I laugh when he was presented that picture. XD
3 incredible musicians all in the same room, amazing
This just feels like a Spinal Tap scene to me, in the best way possible
I love Steven's reaction after Mikael tells of the old photo ;DD okay i love Steven anyway but u know :D
It gets better. He actually has a picture of it on his wall.
+Robin Dreier yes, I know :D watched the live
@@robindreier9796 wait what! Where can I find it?
My three metal gods
+Amy McGuire wilson, metal?
+Amy McGuire It's funny because all three are equally versed in prog, with Steven being more prog than metal (though he has metal cred) and don't get me started on the Katatonia debacle. Still, good choices for heroes as any. Also, same last name. He he.
whats your issue with Katatonia?
liminalexpression Other than their past three records, they havn't been metal since the 90's. I have no issue with them.
Christian McGuire
debacle means failure does it not?
You can see in his eyes he was truly suffering (really funny tho):
37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8o3t9tJWi1qbffaao5_400.jpg
pbs.twimg.com/media/CqoBSwDUsAIt33g.jpg Yeah, here too.
OMG Mikael, Steven and Jonas in one room! Oh dear lord.
haha :D I love Steven's reaction when Mikael says :"I was standing with a sword." :D
Someone noticed the baby hand at 0:24? haha
In fact there is a baby in 0:44 xD
@@eddieademi wut
Steven looks aroused when near Mikael
@Zedrik Allen Yeah. Åkerfeldt was a fan of Wilson before Wilson knew of Åkerfeldt.
best part was when steven busted out laughing about the sword
adorkable as ever!
I met him at a meet and greet at a record store last year and I didn't get that impression at all. He was very down to earth and appreciative of everyone's compliments.
Woah that's probably the first time I've seen Steven laugh
Thank you so much for uploading the vid and putting the magazine cover link in the description! Took me ages to find it! :)
Seeing Steven laugh for the first time
@immortalperser misleading... but still right.
What you said is true, and it happens in music in general. People are starting to get tired of some clichés.
I started to get into the whole Metal scene recently and one of the things that annoy me the most is that i see the same motifs and themes over and over and over again. Metal covers, in general are, as Wilson said, absolutely tasteless.
Just look at the "In Waves" cover (Trivium). Now that's a decent album cover.
loved that they mentioned 'bad news'
What is Bad News? I'd like to find the quote. I've been using it for years xD
I love Steven when he laughs. Though it doesn't happen very often, does it? I ALWAYS love him anyway :)
Those two are a great couple, can't wait for their album to come out!
I feel an album cover should reflect the bands lyrics and music within the album. It just wouldn't be right to have a death metal album with positive and uplifting images on an album cover.
I googled "Mikael Akerfeldt Angela Gossow" to find the photoshoot he was talking about, it is one of the funniest fucking things I have ever seen
Micheal's hilarious: "You got to look mean!"
@Soilwar Well, two thirds of that dream has actually come true. Steven Wilson and Mikael Akerfeldt are releasing an album next year under the project name Storm Corrosion. Should be released in April. It's not very Opeth and not very Porcupine Tree, something neither of them have ever done they said. I'm curious, if you're looking at how different Opeth's Heritage and Steven Wilson's Grace For Drowning sound, this could be a very very interesting release...
DID ANYBODY NOTICE THE FUNNIEST PART ABOUT THIS VIDEO???! Mikael's wearing a Conan shirt.
@EITrollo I guess they're right about the cliché though, but so many bands are also amazingly good at what they would call cliché metal. A band that springs to mind when talking about cliché of hard rock and metal is Airbourne. They're rock & roll to the point it seems silly, but then again, they're so fucking good at what they do. So I don't mind. I think it's a bit offensive of Mikael/Steven, considering both these men are on Roadrunner, a label with many of these 'cliché' rock/metal groups.
What they mean by the term 'cliche' in Metal, is the way that a lot of Metal bands advertise themselves all-round. In that respect, I agree with these 3 legendary musicians.
They should rename this video in "IS METAL ACTUALLY OVERRATED?"
@lasoogneypubes He was most likely in a bad mood that day, whenever he's in a bad mood on stage you can tell because he becomes incredibly awkward.
On the other hand, I saw him on his recent solo tour and after the concert he sat on the edge of the stage talking to fans and answering question for an hour and a half.
All musicians have their off nights, you most likely caught him on one of those.
I believe that the first album they show is "half baked", by Jimmy Campbell, but I am unsure of any of the others ones that appear in this video.
@Angel2291 The Insurgentes DVD documentary by Steven Wilson.
How about a new Netflix series?
Are they serious? Cliched? I doubt it. In any case, every single genre will always have some sort of cliches.
true
*****
I am pretty sure that Immortal does that on purpose beause they just don't take themselves too seriously. Have you seen their interviews or music videos? Abbath is basically the comedian of Black metal, lol.
A really deep band that isn't cliche at all and very purposeful = Deathspell Omega.
it's just awesome to me. Most (good) 80s metal album covers just give you a certain feeling of the time period.
@@mancodrigal as much as I agree with this lol... There are cliche things associated with every other genre of music... Not limited to metal... It's when you get into what's beneath it on the surfac level is when you start to appreciate the genre.
It's nice to hear that he is humble. I believe you. People are complex, and show different sides to themselves at different times. The impression of him that I got from this video was arrogance.
@biffen89 You are so right. It's cool to listen to his music but I tend to avoid his interviews so not to get pissed at some of his aloof comments.
@wildwomenneverdie This is from the Insurgentes DVD :) by Steven Wilson
The fastest one and half minute of my life
Yeah I totally agree with the whole metal cliche thing, the dark clothing that befits the musical style can seem intimidating and therefore I suppose people associate metal bands with being tough, and angry and "scary" so that is how they will pose. I think in a way it is a method of keeping metal music feeling alternative and secluded from pop culture because metal bands create a physical facade in photographs that would put a conventional person off.
I mean, the same happens with hio hop, but that genre neve it's being called out about their obvious clichés, they have a Lot of "look mean, look dangerous, look tough" bs and for some reason only metal gets shitted on by that
3 kings of terribly sad none mainstream music none but the outsiders outsider type 2000's kids and old unsexy men cares about 😢 i like all 3 bands, im 34 years old. Stuck in the past
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that they are laughing about a photo shoot with him holding a sword while he's wearing a shirt with Conan holding a sword?
@essengeebee
He's also in bloodbath, if your assuming katatonia isn't heavy enough and he used have pretty kick ass death metal voice. He's has a damn good right to talk about metal
Gotta love this guys!
I would dig hanging out with these guys.
it actually makes me so fucking happy every time I see akerfeldt and wilson together :')
We fans also does this with our own styles that the conventional folk would frown upon as though we are less metal for having friends that do not share our musical dark side. I was very emphatic about this when I was younger but I am starting to think is this necessary? In my experience if you don't have anything in common with someone you stop speaking to them and get on with your life, but if you get on well with them then what does it matter if your musical interests are different?
@okapa I´ve been Katatonia fan for years. I bought nearly all of their records. And till now I also read it as Renske XD
That picture of mikael is priceless
only needed to arrive Dan Swano !
"I look at that picture...and I see in my eyes... I'm suffering. I can't do that."
Mikael's pose accurately resembles his Conan t-shirt. lol
finally, I've been looking for that picture of him with the sword forever! yay! He actually doesn't look as stupid as I thought he might have, he actually DOES look kind of cool :P
all three of 'em fucking together whoa
@lasoogneypubes Personally, I know he's not like that. He loves his fans very dearly, I noticed that when I met him. The music is very complex, sometimes they need to focus very much on what they're doing or planning to do on stage. I mean, I look pissed off when I'm playing guitar, people always tell me. Doesn't mean I'm not nice. At the Grace for Drowning tour, Steven Wilson didn't say a word to the crowd, I think. But I know they were trying very hard to keep their focus on the music.
It's not an interview, its an excerpt from Steven Wilson's documentary Insurgentes.
Can't believe I'll see these 3 guys perform with their bands in Albany
@jth1414 Isn't it a Conan the Conqueror t-shirt he's wearing?
I turned on the captions because I couldn't understand Mikael, I lol'd.
theres always a sense of cliche' in the music world its very hard sometimes not to be. but its all subjective and down to an individuals taste which is something i think Steven Wilson understands but just comes across as intolerant.
too much awesomeness to handle it in this video.
AT 1:19 HE HAS THE: "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU LAUGHING AT BIATCH" KILLER LOOK.
A nice reference to "Bad News" :)
1:18
" I was standing with a sword "
Steven Wilson : *laughs*
Aaaahhh, priceless moment
Hum, it's Jonas Renkse, not Renske
3 girls
@EITrollo Some artists have to make money. And that can mean sacrificing their image sometimes.
@culokristof When I saw Porcupine Tree live last year he was very sociable with the crowd. So that surprises me.
@magpie1862 Yeah I was surprised too, the previous times I'd seen SW in concert, with Blackfield and PT, they did take time to talk between songs. But I know SW wanted this Grace for Drowning show to be a "visually spectacular" show, to let the music and images do all the talking. To be honest, it did surpass my past concert experiences with PT and Blackfield. This was even better than a regular PT show.
Is it me, or does The Wilson come across as super camp in this video? I mean check the giggles towards the end.
@EITrollo I respect your opinion... the only people who would probably agree with what's being said in this video are people who are and will be fans regardless... it's perhaps harsh from Mikael to just state 'there's not many good metal bands'... It's still a matter of taste really, Opeth and SW's music are probably what's best for us, but it's shit for so many other people. I guess many fans and the artists themselves consider prog to be at a higher level of music and intelligence... I dunno
01:18 some sword fartings there. So Wilson pinched his nose. Lmao 🤭
1:06 - "I'm suffering" LOL!
@lasoogneypubes I can somehow see where you are coming from though, if I step out of my shoes for a bit. On Insurgentes, Steven does criticise lots of things in music or how people choose to experience music nowadays, almost like he's preaching. But in the right groups of music fans, he has reached that level of status where many people will respect him for it. After all, everyone's entitled to an opinion, also Steven. But it's not cos I'm a fan or you are, that we have to agree with him.
@culokristof i will! but what dvd is this from?
Fitting that he has a conan shirt with a sword.
That.. was.. AWESOME!
"i was standing with a sword"
lmfao
nirvana at 1:15?
@okapa Hey! It's wrong in the video too!
Basically Michael has got the entire Vertigo collection on vinyl...
"I see in my eyes, I'm suffering..." Hahahahaha.
I buy both Artist's work. Everyone else should too! Hey, If you wonder why you haven't heard from your fav band, maybe they didn't get payed..
you're welcome dude, thanks for the vid
I liked better the old times when Akerfeldt did not do any interviews they were not famous at all and a kind of mist surrounded the band
and i see... im suffering
@EITrollo Well I think much of what you said can be argued.
1) Yes to an extent, it depends on what you mean though. Is it pretentious? Yes, is it normal prog lyric fare? No not really, it has Wilson's own style to it
2) Akerfag? Really? That's just a pointless immature quip just hurt you on making any point. Also, four words: Pressure from record label.
3) Ya Akerfeldt and Wilson do take a rather holier than thou stance, but remember that Akerfeldt has been in the metal world for 20 years now.
Damn. I just realized how GHOULISH Jonas looks...it's kind of cool but also funny(and fitting for the kind of music he plays lol)
absolutely, when I watch the Sanctitude live album I can't help but marvel at how much he looks like a ghost,it translates just amazingly well in that setting; and that doleful voice...ahh my feelings
Mikael looks like some comic cartoon character on the other hand. Steven is the most normal one out of the bunch
@@ivelinapancheva3681 So true lol. And It really is quite marvelous how Jonas naturally just looks ghastly without even trying hahaha
THESE PEOPLE. IN ONE PLACE. ER MAH GAWD!
@okapa My bad, changed it, thanks
You have missed the point here. Metal is NOT just cookie-monster vocals and generic riffs, there are a vast amount of bands that incorporate a huge amount of memorable melodic structures into their work. Again the real 'cliche' is the way that a lot of Metal bands advertise themselves to the media. Why not just let the music do the talking?
This was just a joke discussion among the three of them... I don't think any of them meant it as something in depth
0:22 the little hand of Mikael's daughter (?)
@lasoogneypubes i think you've got that wrong. I used to think the same thing, until I realized- the man is not a dick. Just socially awkward. He's probably not really all that arrogant, even though it may seem so, he's just really introverted.
Lovely picture!
Them Pasta in the jar though.
0:42 it's a Mini Mikael
Found the source of the meme...ahhh side quest completed