what truth? there is 0 evidence for any proof of his existence, things weren't written down till hundreds of years after his time. The bible is inaccurate because back then only a few people could write and no one is perfect. It is a mathematical certainty that there were mistranslations and passages added for their own amusement. Let alone the fact that it was verbally passed down for hundreds of years (making it even more inaccurate). Saying god did it is taking the lazy way out.
"Praise God for his magnificent Creation and for his Son " You need to be more clear. Do you mean Zeus and his son Perseus? Zeus and his son Hercules? Or some other god and his son? What about the sons of goddesses?
Most of you guys are falling or keep in mind that this is a small part of Franks Full lecture, and an even smaller part of his book. Frank goes into detail first proving (use math, logic models and axioms) that the universe had a supernatural creator (supernatural meaning beyond natural means) Then he goes into why the creator is a christian god as opposed to a jewish or islamic god or any other "undiscovered" god. read his book in it's entirety to get the full message.
@@ThePurpleGoose023 yeah I've watched this guy, seems his position is that because our universe had a beginning and no one knows what caused it or what was before it, the theory that requires less faith is creationism. That seems to be his whole point, and I do agree that a lot of atheists I have met seem more religiously devote to science to the point that it can not be corrected, has no room for new discoveries and change, and does so extremely slowly. And its devote followers can't even fathom questioning the status quo.
@@ThePurpleGoose023 well he never actually argued that. The person above said that what was said proves nothing and is following up on the claim to ask then what is it that would have point more towards the answer than what was presented here
@@ThePurpleGoose023 No its an argument using logic. A being that is immaterial, timeless, and spaceless? Oh I wonder what it could be, definitely not God, says the prideful atheist. Anyone with an open unbiased mind would consider that to be God, but people who hate God will find any reason to not believe in him.
In the first chapter of Genesis we have a state of a perfect eternal world, being marred by sin, which is separation from the source of perfection: God. In the last chapter of Revelation we have our imperfect world restored to a state of perfection. Everything in between is this Divine Being's Plan of Redemption to save and redeem this fallen world.
People like lain must be miserable in life they have nothing to gain and everything to lose and these trolls always use such childish behavior. Get a life kid.
After comparing her to a dog ( a strong insult in that time and culture) Jesus answered her saying "“I was not sent-forth except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel” According to the Bible, if you aren't Jewish Jesus wasn't sent for you.
Atheist:God knows what evidence i would need to be convinced and he will give it if he exist. This is some of the typical answer you will get when you ask some atheist on the issue of evidence. Here are some possible meaning of what they said: 1.They do not know what evidence they are looking for and make an excuse. 2.They have a conviction not to believe regardless of the evidence given to them. 3.They are not fully honest with themselves.
@@hambone8820 no reason? why would 2.3 billion people believe in God for no reason? I'll let you research on your own because you already are looking at these types of videos because you know it's true. But I'll leave you with this Jeremiah 29:13 "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."
@@js3phh192 Everyone in the world used to think the world was flat, the number of people that believe something doesnt make it any more true. "faith" isn't a good reason to believe something, if so, what besides God in your life do you take using only faith? Because if there was physical/tangible proof of God, you wouldn't need faith. As powerful as religion makes God, you'll think he could do better than having people use faith.
@@hambone8820 you simply dont understand. This life is a test. To see who's really about God. There isnt proof, there's evidence. Such as DNA. The beginning of the universe needing an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, powerful thing. What comes to mind when you think of that.
@@js3phh192 DNA doesn't prove God exists, it just shows a person's genome. The beginning of the universe, The Big Bang is the best guess, but it could have always existed. If it was created, where did God get the materials? If your answer is "out of thin air", then the universe coming from nothing without God is possible too. But because scientists don't have Nothing, to test to make something from, we will probably never know. And I'm fine with not knowing, I'm sure you don't know everything and somehow you survived.
"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously." - Albert Einstein “The word 'God' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this.” - Albert Einstein "“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” - Albert Einstein “I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.” - Albert Einstein
"first there was matter than started to grow..." I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about. I was referring to string theories and how the collision of other big bang expansion events may have caused our own big bang. Remember, people once thought the earth and the sky was the whole universe. Until the 1920's most people believed the Milky Way was the whole universe. Now, you believe the big bang is the whole universe. Learn from history, or be on the wrong side of it. Choose.
The biggest mistake in this video: "The universe" probably isn't JUST the big bang expansion. Many scientists are quite certain that there is much, much more than JUST the big bang and that there actually is no such thing as "nothing".
@Thatguywithlogic The multiple universe story doesn’t help anything because again, something cannot create itself and nothing can do nothing on its own.
@GDDM sam correct that being "created" does not apply to God as described in the Bible. God as described in the Bible is outside of time and our universe and has always been and will always be. God as described in the Bible created everything, including time. Thus, you equating God being created is moot.
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It is not arrogant to state that there is only one right Belief. Because there is only one that makes the most logical sense, and only one that best fits the Scientific Evidence we have for the explanation of the universe and all it's material and immaterial. A lot of mono theistic religions do not make enough sense to be a valid explanation of what we see and observe. Deductive reasoning will lead to the one that comes the closest to explaining why we are here. An Intelligent being is Self-Evident. By: An Agnostic
The biblical scholars I've talked with have said that since the original Hebrews wrote it to show that they were each numbered, this meant that they were exactly 6 days longs. Not as in "they were written to represent ages", but instead to show that the Days of Creation were actually just 6 days long. Is this wrong or right?
There is, of course, a great deal of evidence for God, as any scientist will tell you. I'm so glad we've got science to find out the truth about everything. Evidence is the best path to truth ever.
Religion is a faith. Faith is believing without evidence. You don't need science to believe in God, which is good because there is no evidence for God. Why...because its just a faith
Faith is believing without evidence. Scientists use evidence. I'm not saying some scientists aren't corrupt. Science is only as good as the Integrity of the scientist
@@cnault3244 Apparently, about 5% of all scientists believe in God. Yes, they know how the tides work and they know what causes lightning. The problem is they can't explain everything. Therefore God.
The funny thing is Christians can explain how the universe was supposedly created all day long, but in the end, they still have no evidence that it was created by god, AND they claim they have a god that can explain it, but he chooses not to show up to any of these discussions.
Is very easy to explain first of all think that laws don't write themselves to write a law you need a smart intellectual being. Now we know that the God of the bible is real is because he proves himself because he says things only he can know like the future specific prophecies and more. More over God appeared in creation in the form of a man and teacahed us how to live perfectly he preached about God. Died and rose again proving he was saying. The truth that is like a summary of what you may want. Even if you were given evidenve you would probably be skeptical about it. You and me agree that the universe had a begging for evidence but if the universe had a beginning then who made it? Obiusly it most be a timeless spaceless not affected by nature and really powerful because he can create out of nowhere. How ever you athiest have a problem if you believe in the big bang that nothing made everything you are in a big probl
@@eliavbenmelech2187 When it comes to laws, yes, we know people write/create laws, but couldn't people have written Biblical laws? We don't know a God wrote them. Maybe Moses wrote them without a God. When it comes to prophecies, what prophecies could only God give? Most of the ones I'm heard of are extremely vague, and others are clearly inaccurate or not prophetic passages at all. When it comes to Jesus, he may have existed and talked about God, but how do we verify his words? The universe may have had a beginning, but it doesn't mean someone made it. It could have been a natural process which formed the universe.
@@zeddicuszorrander3599 we can verify Jesus words because we have first century gospels that are eyewitness and disciples and apostles and companions of Jesus that lived with him. That's like saying how do we know what tacitus said. We have writings and a lot of evidence
@@eliavbenmelech2187 Yes, we might have evidence that Jesus said certain things, but he do we verify Jesus' claims are true? For example, we can verify I said, "Someone stole my phone," but how do we verify someone actually stole my phone?
"It takes zero faith to be an atheist" - That has to be one of the biggest lies I have ever heard an Atheist say. "faith is an excuse people give themselves for something without evidence." - Exactly what Atheists are doing, they can't prove that God does not exist, so they have faith that God does not exist.
@@frozone1263 Yet religious people still can't prove God is real. Do you believe in aliens, if not, you have faith in aliens not existing. See how retarded that example is, I just used your logic but replacd the word God. I never said I know God doesn't exist, I need proof to believe he exist tho.
@@frozone1263 Once again, you can't prove that demons are real, just like you can't prove God is real. Well you can't prove it without using faith, which isn't real proof.
@@hambone8820 So you don't know for sure demons aren't real, so you have faith that demons aren't real. Because you can't prove that demons aren't real. In a whole context, if you say demons aren't real, then you are also implying that exorcisms aren't real, that spiritual possession isn't real. I'm sorry, but I don't have enough faith not to believe in demons.
The only thing that I disagree with Frank about is God being timeless because one can consider eternity to be God's version of time. I don't believe that God needed to create time, but instead created space and matter into the flow of time which already existed due to God's existence. As a result of this space and matter began its existence when God created them into the flow of time that already existed due to his existence. I've tried to think of a way for time to NOT exist in order to agree with Frank, but the concept is NOT logical to me, so I'm forced to believe as I stated above. I am willing to accept a perspective that can make me agree with Frank if anyone has one, but it's going to have to be something that makes sense to me and like I said I've already tried doing such a thing for myself which only forced me to accept what I stated above as being true.
@Thatguywithlogic If you are “saying holding double-standards is childish” and “that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence” why don’t you dismiss your “thought” of multiple universes as you said that you merely “thought” of it and have no evidence for it? Frank in this video clearly outlines supporting evidence for the Biblical account of creation. Yet you have none for your “multiple universe” “thought.”
evolution is a lie. hydrolytic sorting shows that the layers in the Earth are proven to have been put there by water. dinosaur death pose mitochondrial eve the vostok ice core samples second law of Thermodynamics entropy. giant ice wolf head and dogs prove microevolution is damage control. macro evolution has never been seen anything with the chance of happening of one to the 50th power is considered scientifically absurd... meanwhile our blood coalesces at odds of 1 to the 270 millionth power. aliens are demons Nephilim bones human DNA is level six complexity. only level two can be achieved by accidental chemistry. consciousness itself. being separate from the body. the Fibonacci sequence. fractals. incredibly complex ecosystems that are interdependent. 10 human organs that rely on each other to function defy your ideas of Macro evolution. human and dinosaur footprints together. human and dinosaur living together carvings and statues. chlorophyll on T-Rexes tooth shows that most dinosaurs like iguanodon were vegetarian. live red blood cells found in the Horn of a dinosaur meaning that it was alive less than 2,000 years ago. oceanic trench and Continental Beach heads prove the movement of pangea to modern configuration because of the flood. 272 civilizations out of account of the flood that were not influenced by the Bible (haven't heard of it) sea life and sediments on all mountain tops of the world which would require a minimum of 100 feet of water above. ice Age was literally caused by the flood. if you believe in a big bang then you have to wonder where did the heavy elements and stars come from in the first place and why did they explode and how come no explosions ever in the history of mankind have ever created something that they only destroy. creation of fossils are extremely rare and form best underwater ergo to the flood. going Evolution natural selection implies intelligence. entropy states that we're going to a state of disorder which means that we were once put together neatly. that is entirely opposite of the belief of evolution. the laws of nature prove evolution is a lie. many of your prominent atheists have begun to admit that it seems we may have been put here by aliens because that the only intelligent source they can admit to. mutations are obviously bad. take a complex computer program for example like our DNA and just keep removing and scrambling the binary and see how many programs you have that still work.
@@VengefulPolititron WTF is absolute truth? Something is either the truth or it is not the truth. To say something is not only the truth, it is the ABSOLUTE truth is a meaningless statement.
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
evolution is a lie. you don't know about hydrolytic sorting shows that the layers in the Earth are proven to have been put there by water. dinosaur death pose mitochondrial eve the vostok ice core samples second law of Thermodynamics entropy. giant ice wolf head and dogs prove microevolution is damage control. macro evolution has never been seen anything with the chance of happening of one to the 50th power is considered scientifically absurd... meanwhile our blood coalesces at odds of 1 to the 270 millionth power. aliens are demons Nephilim bones human DNA is level six complexity. only level two can be achieved by accidental chemistry. consciousness itself. being separate from the body. the Fibonacci sequence. fractals. incredibly complex ecosystems that are interdependent. 10 human organs that rely on each other to function defy your ideas of Macro evolution. human and dinosaur footprints together. human and dinosaur living together carvings and statues. chlorophyll on T-Rexes tooth shows that most dinosaurs like iguanodon were vegetarian. live red blood cells found in the Horn of a dinosaur meaning that it was alive less than 2,000 years ago. oceanic trench and Continental Beach heads prove the movement of pangea to modern configuration because of the flood. 272 civilizations out of account of the flood that were not influenced by the Bible (haven't heard of it) sea life and sediments on all mountain tops of the world which would require a minimum of 100 feet of water above. ice Age was literally caused by the flood. if you believe in a big bang then you have to wonder where did the heavy elements and stars come from in the first place and why did they explode and how come no explosions ever in the history of mankind have ever created something that they only destroy. creation of fossils are extremely rare and form best underwater ergo to the flood. going Evolution natural selection implies intelligence. entropy states that we're going to a state of disorder which means that we were once put together neatly. that is entirely opposite of the belief of evolution. the laws of nature prove evolution is a lie. many of your prominent atheists have begun to admit that it seems we may have been put here by aliens because that the only intelligent source they can admit to. mutations are obviously bad. take a complex computer program for example like our DNA and just keep removing and scrambling the binary and see how many programs you have that still work.
Wow was that suposed to be witty . Please provide evidence firstly that it was a WHO that banged it and not a what. Then give evidence for this WHO specifically. Waiting with baited breath
Well the premise of your question assumes a 'limited' God. The definition of what God would be is a being that is beyond time, meaning there is no beginning, all powerful, all knowing, and so on so forth. God is ultimate, and always has been. He is the creator. God bless you my friend.
Your an agnostic..fair enough, but it seems you WANT to believe in a creator. Why? Were you brought up into a religion? I'm totally atheist but was born in the U.K. in the early 50s..in those days virtually everyone in this country was religious,so I was brainwashed into thinking there really was a God. I also,was agnostic for many years but i'm sure you'll agree the big problem with that is that its passive and sitting on the fence. Do you think your viewpoint may change?
Thr only way to understand the universe is through math not language. a theoritical equation predicted the Higgs field 40 years before it was discovered. stop using language. use math and all will be revealed.
@Thatguywithlogic God in the Bible teaches against religions because religion separates us from Him. The only “Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this : to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”James 1:27 It takes circular reasoning to think that humans evolved from great apes. DNA evidence from the Human Genome Project confirms Biblical history of mankind being of one race and destroys Darwinism’s multiple races.
evolution is a lie. hydrolytic sorting shows that the layers in the Earth are proven to have been put there by water. dinosaur death pose mitochondrial eve the vostok ice core samples second law of Thermodynamics entropy. giant ice wolf head and dogs prove microevolution is damage control. macro evolution has never been seen anything with the chance of happening of one to the 50th power is considered scientifically absurd... meanwhile our blood coalesces at odds of 1 to the 270 millionth power. aliens are demons Nephilim bones human DNA is level six complexity. only level two can be achieved by accidental chemistry. consciousness itself. being separate from the body. the Fibonacci sequence. fractals. incredibly complex ecosystems that are interdependent. 10 human organs that rely on each other to function defy your ideas of Macro evolution. human and dinosaur footprints together. human and dinosaur living together carvings and statues. chlorophyll on T-Rexes tooth shows that most dinosaurs like iguanodon were vegetarian. live red blood cells found in the Horn of a dinosaur meaning that it was alive less than 2,000 years ago. oceanic trench and Continental Beach heads prove the movement of pangea to modern configuration because of the flood. 272 civilizations out of account of the flood that were not influenced by the Bible (haven't heard of it) sea life and sediments on all mountain tops of the world which would require a minimum of 100 feet of water above. ice Age was literally caused by the flood. if you believe in a big bang then you have to wonder where did the heavy elements and stars come from in the first place and why did they explode and how come no explosions ever in the history of mankind have ever created something that they only destroy. creation of fossils are extremely rare and form best underwater ergo to the flood. going Evolution natural selection implies intelligence. entropy states that we're going to a state of disorder which means that we were once put together neatly. that is entirely opposite of the belief of evolution. the laws of nature prove evolution is a lie. many of your prominent atheists have begun to admit that it seems we may have been put here by aliens because that the only intelligent source they can admit to. mutations are obviously bad. take a complex computer program for example like our DNA and just keep removing and scrambling the binary and see how many programs you have that still work.
@@mikaeljohansson7921 You know it's impossible to view all my evidence in 2 minutes. since I posted just 2 minutes ago. atleast message me back in a week and tell me WHY it's wrong. that way it won't be obvious you didn't read or watch anything.
@Thatguywithlogic “Here is the message we have heard from Christ and now announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all.” 1 John 1:5 NCV Fun fact; it gets dark at night in most locations where plants exist and in some locations darkness lasts more than 24 hours.
how does the universe collapse into nothing if you reverse time? it should collapse into a shrinking sphere of growing energy density. also if i am not mistaken the bible says that god hovered over the waters in the beginning, water isn't nothing.
Did you ever read the Bible before? Literally, the first verse of the Bible Genesis 1:1 it says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." It says God created everything. Read the Bible before talking about.
You made it unclear if you understand the big bang or not. The big bang is the expansion of the universe, not the creation of it through an explosion. Furthermore, your argument is that we don't know, therefore God.
Well its either God you put your faith in or that we are here by some other means. If its the God of the bible you want,he tells parents in Jeremiah 19.9 [as a form of punishment] to kill their children and eat them ! For me,its no thanks. Personally I find it absurd to believe in God as I perceive it as a man-made creation and not the other way round. Einstein said it was naive' to believe in a creator. Some find it comforting to believe in God,that does not make God real though.
It is always telling when you are making these presentations to the congregation of a church. I would like to see how he would fare if he was presenting to a conference of astrophysicists!
Lars Uelf a lot of astrophysicists see evidence that there is a singularity beginning like the bible claimed 2500 years before the twentieth century when scientists used modern technology to confirm this claim is true..... the logic of " a lot of criminals claim their christians" was weird...
Sim Climie The difference being that astrophysicist don't believe that the whole universe was magically created in 7 days around 6000 years ago. When you take the Bible literally, you have to deny reality
It fails to establish the existence of the supernatural, and it fails to define what something supernatural actually is. Also, it fails to show that the cause of the universe is supernatural.
+Vainslain To understand beginnings and endings, we have to understand the dimension of time. Us limited human beings measure time in our world through the existence of physical decay and the rotation of the sun and moon. Things physically decay and things die. But what if physical decay and these giant orbital lights disappear. What if the universe was always at a state of perfection, without physical decay. Well, sin, which is separation from this entity of perfection, has resulted in what perceive as physical decay and time and wars and evil. And this entity, my friend, does not need an origin. It would be as Turek said, as dividing by zero.
No, you're certainly confused. If you want to escape a cosmic beginning at a singularity ex nihilo, then you have to appeal to quantum physics. But even QM doesn't remove the beginning, it masks it behind the planck era, where the universe supposedly arose as a fluctuation within the vacuum. Which, by the way, the vacuum is not "nothing". Regardless of how you look at, the universe did arise a finite time ago out of literally nothing. Other than that, I'm not sure what your argument is.
@AnaximanderLindemann You call me dumb and wonder why I respond with an ad hominem? Are you kidding? Now that petty name calling is out of our system we can have a convo if you wish.
You also seemed to be invoking the multiverse, or superstring theory, as well. But that is too invoke something that is mere conjecture. But even if proven true, the multiverse would be subject to the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin singularity theorem and would therefore itself require a beginning. So there is still no exception to the rule.
In today's culture a day is 24 hours. One day could've been something completely different back then. Perhaps a day could've been millions, even billions of years.
When God made the earth he called the light day and the darkness night, which was the first day, which was followed by all the other days that He made the universe in.
I'd rather not waste 15 minutes of my time to try to disprove your points, I have better things to do with my life. Now stop being a jackass and move on.
Turek embarrasses himself by cherry picking science facts. find a real physicist who makes this argument. to say something must have created something is a law that came into being with the universe, not before. hard for us to understand, but science nonetheless.
Escape route? Did you reply to the right comment? If you were, then merely using the word "only" is exceedingly arrogant and given the history of science, an absurd use of an absolute.
Dont know which documentary your referring to-you didnt say. Yes, the laws that govern our universe began from 1 sec+ after the big bang. What happened before we can only guess and we prob. would'nt have the capacity to understand it anyway. Maybe there are infinite universes without begining or end and life is eternal..an atheist is someone who does not believe a creator started it all, not necessarily non-existence when you die [but many do].
An infinite being cannot become from anywhere, because infinity does not have a beginning or an end. God did not come into existence. He was always there.
I mean the Big Bang supposedly came from absolutely nothing. And if there was nothing, how did something trigger it? It is so crazy to think that there is something beyond and bigger than us that created the universe?
@AnaximanderLindemann Infinite regress is impossible WITHIN A SPACE/TIME FRAMEWORK. Indeed the very notion of regress is only possible within that framework. I never said the universe caused itself out of nothing, I said it was uncaused and existing within infinity as a probability.
@FindingTruthToday Basically, I'm saying holding double-standards is childish. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, and while this certainly has been the downfall of many theories, it has unfortunately, as of yet, had no impact on religion.
Religion is a faith. Faith is believing without evidence. You don't need science to believe in God, which is good because there is no evidence for God. Why...because its just a faith
@AnaximanderLindemann I know it's difficult to think in these terms, but the logic is inescapable: without space and time there can be no cause and effect. Cause/effect is "If this, then that". Space/time is required for this to occur, or would you care to explain to me at what point in time time began. W/O space there can be no point, w/o time there can be no beginning. The very idea of "before time" is nonsensical. For space/time to exist it must be self-existing. Cont.
Calling this evidence is really misleading. A personal creator does not follow from Tureks reaoning. Its a "possibility" among many. Especially many if you allow "supernatural". The "christian god" does not fit into the picture anywhere in Tureks talks, but he does manage to make a case for agnosticism. :P
Your'e right that science does have all sorts of fanciful theories,but bear in mind they are only theories[multiverses, etc] and NOT regarded as SCIENTIFIC FACT. E=Mc 2 for example is accepted as scientific fact. There's a big difference between a scientific theory and scientific fact. Being agnostic is your choice..in the meantime I think you might enjoy the following vid on utube : Does God exist by Stephen Hawkins 43 mins. I thought it very profound,it deals with one of your previous Q.
@AnaximanderLindemann cont., the quantum level. If the universe is uncaused there can't be a personal entity creating or causing from nothing. Ex nihilo creation is an impossibilty anyway.
Sorry, but you're just wrong. For one, modern science has determined that the big phase, i.e. the expansion of energy from a singularity, had a beginning. Beyond that nothing has been "determined conclusively". Explanation of ulltimate origin is, in the words of cosmologist Alan Guth, "up for grabs". Also, everything that begins to exist has a cause IN SPACE/TIME. Cause and effect is contingent upon space/time. PM me if you really want to discuss this because 500 characters is a pain in the ass.
Of course,this is the way the human mind thinks and we can only grasp things with beginnings and ends. But shouldnt that theory apply to God as well? The theist will go on to say "yes,well God didnt have a beginning you know". That seems like a copout to me. Science does not have all the answers but it does not go creating gods either! to do so would be absurd. How life has arisen I dont know but it has. A biologist is better equiped to answer that than myself.
Turok has convinced himself that the universe could not have arisen from nothing,so there MUST have been a supernatural cause. He is doing no better than fearful cavemen that created the God figure. If Turok and all other theists wish to worship and pray to something that does not exist, let them get on with it. Believing in something does not make it so.
So...his whole point is it makes no sense that the universe came from nothing...But it makes perfect sense for a God who never came from anything to make it from nothing....what?!
@Vainslain you wrote "But all things physical started somehow at one point. You cant include God cos aint physical matter" You wrote that but are unable to provide any evidence that it is true. Your statement is not falsifiable, but you had nothing that indicates that it make any sense to make the statement in the first place. It is a stupid thing to say.
@FindingTruthToday Evidence against one thing, or lack of evidence for one thing, is NOT evidence for another. As far as the multiple big bang theory, no I don't have evidence for it and I admit that. but whether or not it is true is irrelevant. As of now I don't blame you for dismissing it. I simply have a hard time understanding how anybody can say the big bang makes no sense without a creator, but that the creator does not need to have been created or follow any of the laws of physics
Well, let me ask you... in an atheistic world view, how did things start? what is the first cause for an atheist... and that includes the vast space called the universe that everything else sits in, the stars, the suns, the planets..etc, they are all sitting in...space..where did that come from... I say this proves there is a God... I also know there is a God, I have talked to him before, and he has talked with me through the scriptures, he has answered prayers, and I have felt his voice inside me... that is how I know there is a God, and noone can convince me of anything else. He proforms miracles, I at times can feel his love, and yes, at times he feels distant, but that is usually because of me...
From nothing, nothing comes. If nothing is something, then it is NOT nothing, but a thing with 0 discernable properties. True nothing isn't even a thing with 0 discernable properties, it's the lack of a medium against which properties are chosen against their logical opposites (CTMU, C. Langan). Your idea of nothing is much like L. Krauss idea of quantum vaccum being nothing, this is a misnomer and incorrect. Nothing is pre-substance, with which Being can instantiate something from the void (Nothing) it surround. Again, we're talking pre-space and pre-time here so this relationships are REAL, without being physical or conceptual, but actual. Look into the metaphysics of Nothing if you're curious or think I'm a quack. It's a subtle but very rich framework that shows many angles of absurdity to the idea of "something was just always here" or "nothing isn't real". The Buddhists got the right idea; if anything is REAL, that would be Nothing & Being (which knows Nothing).
I agree with you that the God concept was mankinds first stab to explain the universe and that in itself does'nt make it wrong. I cannot prove a creator could exist outside of space and time..but equally, because we cannot explain the universe is no real reason to suppose a creator. I know one thing though..the bible is the most horrific book which describes a malevolent God. There's things in there[ i know where] which would turn your stomach. Want me to quote them?
@AnaximanderLindemann Read your syllogism again and you'll see what I'm getting at. Everything that had a beginning in time had a cause, but the universe did NOT have a beginning in time, time had a beginning in the universe. Therefore, the universe is uncaused, eternal, and (because space had a beginning in the universe as well) infinite.
It may appear "intuitive" to the human mind that a God figure exists and created the universe, but that does not make it true ! God is mankinds first attempt to explain the universe and the riddle of existence..but would'nt you feel foolish praying to and worshipping a God figure that does'nt even exist ? Your'e right, QM does not have all the answers but that is no reason to suggest an eternal being created everything .. thats like taking the easy way out.
@@Pikkabuu do you have any evidence or any proof to support your claim or it's only your opinion? Because like I know the equation of general relativity shows that all of the stars and all of the galaxies are moving away from us and the universe is constantly expanding and every scientist will accept it, And if our universe is still expanding then it's not infinite, And if it's not infinite then that means it had a begening, and if the stars and galaxies are moving away from us, That means if we can reverse all of the moving away of stars, we will quickly find out that the universe will collapse to one point which all scientists call the big bang, Which means basically that all of the universe came from nothing, and one point exploded and formed what we call the universe, But we have a lot of logical arguments to say that God is the one who created it because nothing can't create everything, so the creator of the universe must be timeless, spaceless, immaterial, powerful So that he could create this universe from one big bang, And you got the idea, all of the evidence leads to the God of the bible and to Jesus christ.
@Thatguywithlogic Per you statement; “I just don't see how you can expect evidence of certain theories whilst simultaneously requiring none for your beliefs” I take it you didn’t watch the video which these comments are attached…In the video Frank outlines clearly evidence supporting the Biblical account of creation.You then go on a“thought” of your own just because you choose to not use Occam's razor on your “thought.” Why would anyone think Noah’s flood true? youtube.co m/watch?v=_9Pr08bp8-I
@GDDM sam A flood story is a Chinese classic called the “Hihking” which tells the story of Fuhi, whom the Chinese consider to be the father of their civilization. It records that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters escaped a great flood and were the only people alive on earth. After the great flood, they repopulated the world. Hawaiians also have a flood story that tells of a time when, long after the death of the first man, the world became a wicked, terrible place. Only one good man was left, and his name was Nu-u. He made a great canoe with a house on it and filled it with animals. In this story, the waters came up over all the earth and killed all the people; only Nu-u and his family were saved. And many more great flood stories are out there. As the story of the Flood was verbally passed from one generation to the next in various parts of the world, some aspects would have been lost or altered. And this is what has happened, each story shares remarkable similarities to the account of Noah in the Bible. This is true even in some of the details, such as the name Nu-u in the Hawaiian flood story. “Nu-u” is very similar to “Noah.”
@GDDM sam yes, that's their stories about a world wide flood. Question for you... if you knew that Christ Jesus died on the cross for you so that you could go and be with Him forever in Heaven, would you want to be forever with Him in Heaven?
@FindingTruthToday I actually thought of it myself before being told. I don't have any proof for it, but the concept isn't too far fetched (assuming the big bang is true, which in all likelihood is the case). I just don't see how you can expect evidence of certain theories whilst simultaneously requiring none for your beliefs. There is no evidence of a worldwide flood during the time of modern humans and no doubt that God didn't give people different languages to prevent a tower to heaven...
@DoNotBeHighandMighty SMartest man who ever lived? If it was Einstein, you're wrong, he did not think Jesus was the son of god, because he did not believe in a god. Hawking? Nope. So i don't get it.
The universe has been there all the time. When you talk about a cause, you imply a moment before this effect, don't you? If you don't agree, then tell me an example. How can the universe has a cause if there was no any moment before the instant the universe universe came into existence?
How would you know that the universe has always been there? are you as eternal as the universe to state it as a fact? How do you come with that conclusion? I would like to know if you finally discovered it own your own, and how did you do it. Or are you "Choosing" to believe what others are saying? Look at it this way, we're all going to end up believing in or on something or someone. There's not such thing in not believing in anything, because even then if someone says they don't believe in anything, it's already a way of belief, because they're choosing to believe that they don't believe. So if you were to ask them if they believe that they don't believe in anything? their response will be "yes,I believe that". So we all are believers and we all have faith no matter which way you believe. But as a Christian I choose to believe in Jesus Christ, and yes, you might say that I'm choosing to believe in a bunch of lunatics that wrote a book, which is no different from you to choose to believe a bunch of scientists, in which I'm not going to call lunatics or any names since I'm not grater or less than them to pass judgement on what they believe. But one thing I'll say, you, personally; can't quite say with 100% certainty that what they say is completely the truth. unless you have ran every single test and experiment of all the scientist to be sure that everything they've told you is what truly is. Who knows, maybe if you do that you might also come up with a different answer. And yes, same thing goes for me, however, your bible is constantly changing every year on something, and mainly to correct errors in it more than to add something new, mine doesn't, and what I mean about your bible I mean your science textbooks, but ultimately everything comes back to faith, and in which side you want to place your faith in.
David Quintana David, your point has been raised many times in other discussions. I am very interested in knowing the way you think. So, you say that the same way I chose to believe in the scientists, you chose to believe in Jesus and the Bible. I think you are right. I chose to believe in the scientists. But the real point is that I chose to believe them because I have contact with many of their products. Medicines, electronic devices, food, energy, mechanical devices, materials, in fact, our lives are completely surrounded by products given by science. The predictions that scientists make actually happen. If they say there is a tiny particle called electron, I believe them, although I will never see one. But that's because every prediction based on the existence of that particle is verified. Your computer works, my TV produces images from the other side of the world and there are many other predictions based on that. Now what can the Bible or Jesus predict that you can verify? So, are you really sure that my way of believing in the scientists is the same way you believe in Jesus?
David Quintana I believe those things that there is evidence for, and for which the scientific method can be applied. You are correct. Your Bible never changes. Even though it has been shown to be in error, it never changes.
@AnaximanderLindemann Interesting... someone who misspells 'that' calls me dumb. From nothing comes nothing, therefore, the physical universe comes from something and it necessarily has to come from something non-physical, uncreated, and outside space/time (infinite/eternal). This something (Call it God, Brahma, or apple pie, I don't care), also, necessarily, contains within it all possible material, power, and intelligence. If you can't follow the logic train there, PM me and I'll go slower.
@AnaximanderLindemann Little boxes. PM me if you want to really talk about this. Without space and time there can be no cause and effect and, thus, infinite being can't cause space/time and the whole of the material universe to exist. In order for phys. universe to exist it, then, it must also be self-existing. Indeed, for space/time to coexist with infinity it can only exist as one of infinite possibilities within infinity, like a quantum wave form, and, remember, the universe began at, cont.
The idea of an intelligent force expanding the universe from a central point makes much more sense from a pantheistic perspective than a theistic one. Hmm. Maybe Einstein was smarter than Turek.
@FindingTruthToday TOOT TOOT!! PLAY THAT KAZOO VICTOR!! Victor, you have been shown the science over and over, your little word games mean nothing and you know it!! What do you call someone that repeats untruths, Victor? KEEP PLAYING THAT KAZOO, VICTOR!!
Yes, but his reasoning, going from this supernatural or metaphysical cause of the universe, to the christian God, is hogwash. Tureks rhetorics and appeals to intuition does not make his arguments into evidence.
That existed outside of space/time/matter...as all of those were created at the point in time that it expanded. How do you have a small particle that exists...with no time frame to put it in(no time), no where to place it (no space), and has matter...when matter didn't exist prior to the big bang?
"I believe in the big bang.... I just know who banged it". :) Cute. Quick question... Who banged god? Where did god come from? ....And you say something can't come from nothing.... so what did god create it from?
The universe came from nothing (apart from an infinitely complex, infinitely powerful being). Does it make more sense to have a universe that begins as the most basic building blocks that, over billions of years, gradually becomes more complex or does it make more sense to start with something incredibly complex making something incredibly basic? We don't know how the Big Bang occurred. But we have no reason (other than our own incredulity) to assert that God did it.
Well, before the big bang, scientists agree that there was a moment with no time, space or matter. Either that just happened or the explanation is God. God is the creator and doesn't require a creator, or that creator would be God. God is what we'd call a being unlimited by time, space or matter. The question "who created God" also doesn't make sense since it gives the idea of something coming before God, who's outside the finite boundary of time. There are other lines of argument people use to make a case for God.
yami You can't solve a mystery by appealing to a greater mystery. If there was a murder and we had a dead body but no evidence of who did it, we can't say 'well, it must have been the invisible murder fairy'. We have a material universe and a point in time beyond which we cannot currently understand the physics involved. We simply say 'we don't know' rather than 'the invisible universe-creating deity did it'.
Praise God for his magnificent Creation and for his Son and for you Frank....may God bless your soul with more truth.
Careful. You might get attacked by an angry atheist.
Amen Hallelujah
what truth? there is 0 evidence for any proof of his existence, things weren't written down till hundreds of years after his time. The bible is inaccurate because back then only a few people could write and no one is perfect. It is a mathematical certainty that there were mistranslations and passages added for their own amusement. Let alone the fact that it was verbally passed down for hundreds of years (making it even more inaccurate). Saying god did it is taking the lazy way out.
@@prolson3708 That's crap😂, the bible is the most accurate history book ever, and is translated 99% correct, come again buddy
"Praise God for his magnificent Creation and for his Son "
You need to be more clear. Do you mean Zeus and his son Perseus? Zeus and his son Hercules? Or some other god and his son?
What about the sons of goddesses?
Like his enthusiastic speaking style! Clear, loud, challenging and loving.
Most of you guys are falling or keep in mind that this is a small part of Franks Full lecture, and an even smaller part of his book.
Frank goes into detail first proving (use math, logic models and axioms) that the universe had a supernatural creator (supernatural meaning beyond natural means)
Then he goes into why the creator is a christian god as opposed to a jewish or islamic god or any other "undiscovered" god.
read his book in it's entirety to get the full message.
@dennis romo Sorry, but Frank doesn't prove the universe had a creator. That's his interpretation of the evidence to hand so far.
@@Whatsisface4 With all the evidence he provided, what do you believe could be the uncaused first cause my friend? God bless you and Jesus loves you!
@@ThePurpleGoose023 yeah I've watched this guy, seems his position is that because our universe had a beginning and no one knows what caused it or what was before it, the theory that requires less faith is creationism. That seems to be his whole point, and I do agree that a lot of atheists I have met seem more religiously devote to science to the point that it can not be corrected, has no room for new discoveries and change, and does so extremely slowly. And its devote followers can't even fathom questioning the status quo.
@@ThePurpleGoose023 well he never actually argued that. The person above said that what was said proves nothing and is following up on the claim to ask then what is it that would have point more towards the answer than what was presented here
@@ThePurpleGoose023 No its an argument using logic. A being that is immaterial, timeless, and spaceless? Oh I wonder what it could be, definitely not God, says the prideful atheist. Anyone with an open unbiased mind would consider that to be God, but people who hate God will find any reason to not believe in him.
In the first chapter of Genesis we have a state of a perfect eternal world, being marred by sin, which is separation from the source of perfection: God. In the last chapter of Revelation we have our imperfect world restored to a state of perfection. Everything in between is this Divine Being's Plan of Redemption to save and redeem this fallen world.
People like lain must be miserable in life they have nothing to gain and everything to lose and these trolls always use such childish behavior. Get a life kid.
@@iainhart9097 what an ignorant, a hypocrite and a viper you are!
Do you have any evidence that your fairy tales are in any way true? None that I have ever seen.
@@walkergarya You could say that about litterally anything.
@@frankiemcbean. No. Real history and science are based on evidence.
I love Dr. Turek! To all believers please pray for me. I need help and I believe in the power of prayer so please pray, I need you
Jesus answered him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one goes to the Father except by me.
John 14:6 GNT
After comparing her to a dog ( a strong insult in that time and culture) Jesus answered her saying "“I was not sent-forth except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel”
According to the Bible, if you aren't Jewish Jesus wasn't sent for you.
Atheist:God knows what evidence i would need to be convinced and he will give it if he exist.
This is some of the typical answer you will get when you ask some atheist on the issue of evidence. Here are some possible meaning of what they said:
1.They do not know what evidence they are looking for and make an excuse.
2.They have a conviction not to believe regardless of the evidence given to them.
3.They are not fully honest with themselves.
Thesis: I have zero evidence of God, but I will still believe for no reason.
@@hambone8820 no reason? why would 2.3 billion people believe in God for no reason? I'll let you research on your own because you already are looking at these types of videos because you know it's true. But I'll leave you with this Jeremiah 29:13 "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."
@@js3phh192
Everyone in the world used to think the world was flat, the number of people that believe something doesnt make it any more true. "faith" isn't a good reason to believe something, if so, what besides God in your life do you take using only faith? Because if there was physical/tangible proof of God, you wouldn't need faith. As powerful as religion makes God, you'll think he could do better than having people use faith.
@@hambone8820 you simply dont understand. This life is a test. To see who's really about God. There isnt proof, there's evidence. Such as DNA. The beginning of the universe needing an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, powerful thing. What comes to mind when you think of that.
@@js3phh192
DNA doesn't prove God exists, it just shows a person's genome. The beginning of the universe, The Big Bang is the best guess, but it could have always existed. If it was created, where did God get the materials? If your answer is "out of thin air", then the universe coming from nothing without God is possible too. But because scientists don't have Nothing, to test to make something from, we will probably never know. And I'm fine with not knowing, I'm sure you don't know everything and somehow you survived.
I love your teachings brother 😂😂😂 so energetic
@GDDM sam what do you mean by that?
"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously." - Albert Einstein
“The word 'God' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this.” - Albert Einstein
"“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” - Albert Einstein
“I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.” - Albert Einstein
Where can i find this full video?
"first there was matter than started to grow..." I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about. I was referring to string theories and how the collision of other big bang expansion events may have caused our own big bang. Remember, people once thought the earth and the sky was the whole universe. Until the 1920's most people believed the Milky Way was the whole universe. Now, you believe the big bang is the whole universe. Learn from history, or be on the wrong side of it. Choose.
The biggest mistake in this video: "The universe" probably isn't JUST the big bang expansion. Many scientists are quite certain that there is much, much more than JUST the big bang and that there actually is no such thing as "nothing".
Where can I get the full version of this. I prefer the older
Praise the lord 🙏
@Thatguywithlogic The multiple universe story doesn’t help anything because again, something cannot create itself and nothing can do nothing on its own.
@GDDM sam correct that being "created" does not apply to God as described in the Bible. God as described in the Bible is outside of time and our universe and has always been and will always be. God as described in the Bible created everything, including time. Thus, you equating God being created is moot.
God Bless You all. All Glory Honor Praise Worship and Thanksgiving to God. Jesus is King!!!! THANK YOU GOD FOR ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THANK YOU JESUS FOR ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THANK YOU HOLY SPIRIT FOR ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING WE LOVE YOU GOD WITH ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING WITH ALL OUR HEART SOUL MIND AND STRENGTH
It is not arrogant to state that there is only one right Belief. Because there is only one that makes the most logical sense, and only one that best fits the Scientific Evidence we have for the explanation of the universe and all it's material and immaterial. A lot of mono theistic religions do not make enough sense to be a valid explanation of what we see and observe. Deductive reasoning will lead to the one that comes the closest to explaining why we are here. An Intelligent being is Self-Evident. By: An Agnostic
nice!
"God is a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought. It's as simple as that." - Joseph Campbel
God is Good.
"Evidence": that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
I see no contradictions.
Thank you, Frank.
The biblical scholars I've talked with have said that since the original Hebrews wrote it to show that they were each numbered, this meant that they were exactly 6 days longs. Not as in "they were written to represent ages", but instead to show that the Days of Creation were actually just 6 days long. Is this wrong or right?
Why does this video have more likes than dislikes?
@DoNotBeHighandMighty He also married his first cousin. What's your point?
There is, of course, a great deal of evidence for God, as any scientist will tell you.
I'm so glad we've got science to find out the truth about everything.
Evidence is the best path to truth ever.
Religion is a faith. Faith is believing without evidence.
You don't need science to believe in God, which is good because there is no evidence for God.
Why...because its just a faith
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Scientists have faith in the scientific method.
Faith is believing without evidence. Scientists use evidence. I'm not saying some scientists aren't corrupt. Science is only as good as the Integrity of the scientist
"There is, of course, a great deal of evidence for God, as any scientist will tell you."
Which scientists?
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Apparently, about 5% of all scientists believe in God.
Yes, they know how the tides work and they know what causes lightning.
The problem is they can't explain everything. Therefore God.
The funny thing is Christians can explain how the universe was supposedly created all day long, but in the end, they still have no evidence that it was created by god, AND they claim they have a god that can explain it, but he chooses not to show up to any of these discussions.
Is very easy to explain first of all think that laws don't write themselves to write a law you need a smart intellectual being.
Now we know that the God of the bible is real is because he proves himself because he says things only he can know like the future specific prophecies and more. More over God appeared in creation in the form of a man and teacahed us how to live perfectly he preached about God. Died and rose again proving he was saying. The truth that is like a summary of what you may want. Even if you were given evidenve you would probably be skeptical about it.
You and me agree that the universe had a begging for evidence but if the universe had a beginning then who made it? Obiusly it most be a timeless spaceless not affected by nature and really powerful because he can create out of nowhere.
How ever you athiest have a problem if you believe in the big bang that nothing made everything you are in a big probl
@@eliavbenmelech2187 When it comes to laws, yes, we know people write/create laws, but couldn't people have written Biblical laws? We don't know a God wrote them. Maybe Moses wrote them without a God.
When it comes to prophecies, what prophecies could only God give? Most of the ones I'm heard of are extremely vague, and others are clearly inaccurate or not prophetic passages at all.
When it comes to Jesus, he may have existed and talked about God, but how do we verify his words?
The universe may have had a beginning, but it doesn't mean someone made it. It could have been a natural process which formed the universe.
@@zeddicuszorrander3599 we can verify Jesus words because we have first century gospels that are eyewitness and disciples and apostles and companions of Jesus that lived with him.
That's like saying how do we know what tacitus said. We have writings and a lot of evidence
@@eliavbenmelech2187 Yes, we might have evidence that Jesus said certain things, but he do we verify Jesus' claims are true?
For example, we can verify I said, "Someone stole my phone," but how do we verify someone actually stole my phone?
@@zeddicuszorrander3599 We have eyewitness and people that's were there and wrote it down
@Thatguywithlogic other than someone telling you a story about multiple big bangs happening, what is your evidence for it?
Amen Hallelujah
You are praising a man who is lying through his teeth with a forked tongue...
It takes zero faith to be an atheist, faith is an excuse people give themselves for something without evidence.
"It takes zero faith to be an atheist" - That has to be one of the biggest lies I have ever heard an Atheist say.
"faith is an excuse people give themselves for something without evidence." - Exactly what Atheists are doing, they can't prove that God does not exist, so they have faith that God does not exist.
@@frozone1263
Yet religious people still can't prove God is real. Do you believe in aliens, if not, you have faith in aliens not existing. See how retarded that example is, I just used your logic but replacd the word God. I never said I know God doesn't exist, I need proof to believe he exist tho.
@@hambone8820 "you have faith in aliens not existing." - Yes, but I do actually believe they exist, as demons. :)
@@frozone1263
Once again, you can't prove that demons are real, just like you can't prove God is real. Well you can't prove it without using faith, which isn't real proof.
@@hambone8820 So you don't know for sure demons aren't real, so you have faith that demons aren't real. Because you can't prove that demons aren't real. In a whole context, if you say demons aren't real, then you are also implying that exorcisms aren't real, that spiritual possession isn't real. I'm sorry, but I don't have enough faith not to believe in demons.
The only thing that I disagree with Frank about is God being timeless because one can consider eternity to be God's version of time.
I don't believe that God needed to create time, but instead created space and matter into the flow of time which already existed due to God's existence.
As a result of this space and matter began its existence when God created them into the flow of time that already existed due to his existence.
I've tried to think of a way for time to NOT exist in order to agree with Frank, but the concept is NOT logical to me, so I'm forced to believe as I stated above.
I am willing to accept a perspective that can make me agree with Frank if anyone has one, but it's going to have to be something that makes sense to me and like I said I've already tried doing such a thing for myself which only forced me to accept what I stated above as being true.
@Thatguywithlogic If you are “saying holding double-standards is childish” and “that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence” why don’t you dismiss your “thought” of multiple universes as you said that you merely “thought” of it and have no evidence for it?
Frank in this video clearly outlines supporting evidence for the Biblical account of creation. Yet you have none for your “multiple universe” “thought.”
I'm honestly looking for evidence of a creator. This video is a disappointment.
here's some, I did some research and compiled a list of general topics on the matter
Absolute Truth exists, and is knowable.
People's beliefs are clouded and fuzzy, based on what they know, dont know, and what happened to them>
Absolute Truth, is reality, without human error or emotion getting in the way.
Please gentlemen, observe these:
The best videos I've found, in over 2000 hours of research.
While keeping the list short ( i aimed for 10, but had to go to 18)
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Does the Bible (Job 40) Describe a Sauropod Dinosaur (Behemoth)?(20:40)
Genesis Apologetics - Published on Sep 18, 2017
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✡ Believe in God in 5 Minutes (Scientific Proof) (5:27)
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The Fossil Record: Proof of Noah's Flood or Evolution (16:00) Genesis Apologetics - Mar 20, 2018
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Archaeological Evidence that Proves the Bible is True (1:20:52)Planet Zion - Jun 24, 2014
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2017SEP10 - Why We Know Christianity is True - J Warner Wallace (55:23)(Canon)
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Cold-case homicide detective J. Warner Wallace - DNA Information Code (10:01)LoveYourNeighbour - Published on Sep 5, 2017
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Noah's Ark - Chuck Missler : Koinonia House (8:27)
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Why i believe in a young earth by ex-evolutionist Dr.Grady McMurtry Part 1 (21:42)[+ part 2,3,4]
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What Are The Odds Statistically: Jesus/Prophecy (1 of 3) Chuck Missler (10:00)
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If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong (5:17) Dennis Prager
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How Consciousness Points to the Existence of God
(9:29)Cold-Case Christianity with J. Warner Wallace - Published on Sep 8, 2015
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Human Chimp DNA Similarity (7:37)Genesis Apologetics - Jun 1, 2017
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"Evidence for a Spiritual View of the "Alien" Phenomenon:"Why do many Christians think the alien phenomena is demonic?" © 2009 Guy Malone,
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Chuck Missler The Days Of Noah & Return Of The Nephilim HD
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Debate 19 Kent Hovind Vs. Three Evolutionists : Kent Hovind (2:21:24)
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Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution (57:13)HooverInstitution Jul 22, 2019
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Birds Did Not Evolve from Dinosaurs, Say Evolutionists -Stunning New Research Overturns Widely Held Evolutionary Idea - by A. Peter Galling on June 12, 2009 (ARTICLE)
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Faith and Public Policy - Engage Conference
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evolution is a lie.
hydrolytic sorting shows that
the layers in the Earth are proven to have been put there by water.
dinosaur death pose
mitochondrial eve
the vostok ice core samples
second law of Thermodynamics entropy.
giant ice wolf head and dogs prove microevolution is damage control.
macro evolution has never been seen
anything with the chance of happening of one to the 50th power is considered scientifically absurd...
meanwhile our blood coalesces at odds of 1 to the 270 millionth power.
aliens are demons
Nephilim bones
human DNA is level six complexity.
only level two can be achieved by accidental chemistry.
consciousness itself. being separate from the body.
the Fibonacci sequence.
fractals.
incredibly complex ecosystems that are interdependent.
10 human organs that rely on each other to function defy your ideas of Macro evolution.
human and dinosaur footprints together. human and dinosaur living together carvings and statues.
chlorophyll on T-Rexes tooth shows that most dinosaurs like iguanodon were vegetarian.
live red blood cells found in the Horn of a dinosaur meaning that it was alive less than 2,000 years ago.
oceanic trench and Continental Beach heads prove the movement of pangea to modern configuration because of the flood.
272 civilizations out of account of the flood that were not influenced by the Bible (haven't heard of it)
sea life and sediments on all mountain tops of the world which would require a minimum of 100 feet of water above.
ice Age was literally caused by the flood.
if you believe in a big bang then you have to wonder where did the heavy elements and stars come from in the first place and why did they explode and how come no explosions ever in the history of mankind have ever created something that they only destroy.
creation of fossils are extremely rare and form best underwater ergo to the flood.
going Evolution natural selection implies intelligence.
entropy states that we're going to a state of disorder which means that we were once put together neatly.
that is entirely opposite of the belief of evolution. the laws of nature prove evolution is a lie.
many of your prominent atheists have begun to admit that it seems we may have been put here by aliens because that the only intelligent source they can admit to.
mutations are obviously bad.
take a complex computer program for example like our DNA and just keep removing and scrambling the binary and see how many programs you have that still work.
@@VengefulPolititron WTF is absolute truth?
Something is either the truth or it is not the truth.
To say something is not only the truth, it is the ABSOLUTE truth is a meaningless statement.
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
Nope, I cannot make myself believe the nonsense in the bible and your christian dogma. I need evidence to believe and you do not have evidence.
evolution is a lie.
you don't know about
hydrolytic sorting shows that
the layers in the Earth are proven to have been put there by water.
dinosaur death pose
mitochondrial eve
the vostok ice core samples
second law of Thermodynamics entropy.
giant ice wolf head and dogs prove microevolution is damage control.
macro evolution has never been seen
anything with the chance of happening of one to the 50th power is considered scientifically absurd...
meanwhile our blood coalesces at odds of 1 to the 270 millionth power.
aliens are demons
Nephilim bones
human DNA is level six complexity.
only level two can be achieved by accidental chemistry.
consciousness itself. being separate from the body.
the Fibonacci sequence.
fractals.
incredibly complex ecosystems that are interdependent.
10 human organs that rely on each other to function defy your ideas of Macro evolution.
human and dinosaur footprints together. human and dinosaur living together carvings and statues.
chlorophyll on T-Rexes tooth shows that most dinosaurs like iguanodon were vegetarian.
live red blood cells found in the Horn of a dinosaur meaning that it was alive less than 2,000 years ago.
oceanic trench and Continental Beach heads prove the movement of pangea to modern configuration because of the flood.
272 civilizations out of account of the flood that were not influenced by the Bible (haven't heard of it)
sea life and sediments on all mountain tops of the world which would require a minimum of 100 feet of water above.
ice Age was literally caused by the flood.
if you believe in a big bang then you have to wonder where did the heavy elements and stars come from in the first place and why did they explode and how come no explosions ever in the history of mankind have ever created something that they only destroy.
creation of fossils are extremely rare and form best underwater ergo to the flood.
going Evolution natural selection implies intelligence.
entropy states that we're going to a state of disorder which means that we were once put together neatly.
that is entirely opposite of the belief of evolution. the laws of nature prove evolution is a lie.
many of your prominent atheists have begun to admit that it seems we may have been put here by aliens because that the only intelligent source they can admit to.
mutations are obviously bad.
take a complex computer program for example like our DNA and just keep removing and scrambling the binary and see how many programs you have that still work.
To God be the glory.
Spoiler: at no point in this video is evidence for a god presented.
I believe in the big bang. I just know who banged it😲
Wow was that suposed to be witty .
Please provide evidence firstly that it was a WHO that banged it and not a what. Then give evidence for this WHO specifically.
Waiting with baited breath
@@ThePurpleGoose023 A SPACELESS/TIMELESS/IMMATERIAL/ALL POWERFUL/PERSONAL/INTELLIGENTE CAUSE😉
@@ThePurpleGoose023 in order for it be created, it can't be made of that😉. That's who we mean by God
if god exist then who created god
Well the premise of your question assumes a 'limited' God. The definition of what God would be is a being that is beyond time, meaning there is no beginning, all powerful, all knowing, and so on so forth. God is ultimate, and always has been. He is the creator. God bless you my friend.
@@peytonsingh6258 God is the uncreated creator...
That would ultimately lead to who created the thing that created God. It is impossible
Your an agnostic..fair enough, but it seems you WANT to believe in a creator. Why? Were you brought up into a religion? I'm totally atheist but was born in the U.K. in the early 50s..in those days virtually everyone in this country was religious,so I was brainwashed into thinking there really was a God. I also,was agnostic for many years but i'm sure you'll agree the big problem with that is that its passive and sitting on the fence. Do you think your viewpoint may change?
Thr only way to understand the universe is through math not language. a theoritical equation predicted the Higgs field 40 years before it was discovered. stop using language. use math and all will be revealed.
@Thatguywithlogic God in the Bible teaches against religions because religion separates us from Him. The only “Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this : to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”James 1:27
It takes circular reasoning to think that humans evolved from great apes. DNA evidence from the Human Genome Project confirms Biblical history of mankind being of one race and destroys Darwinism’s multiple races.
Sin separates us from God
Einstein diden't belive in gods after that.
And the evidence?
Absolute Truth exists, and is knowable.
People's beliefs are clouded and fuzzy, based on what they know, dont know, and what happened to them>
Absolute Truth, is reality, without human error or emotion getting in the way.
Please gentlemen, observe these:
The best videos I've found, in over 2000 hours of research.
While keeping the list short ( i aimed for 10, but had to go to 18)
Big Reasons for God
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Does the Bible (Job 40) Describe a Sauropod Dinosaur (Behemoth)?(20:40)
Genesis Apologetics - Published on Sep 18, 2017
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✡ Believe in God in 5 Minutes (Scientific Proof) (5:27)
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The Fossil Record: Proof of Noah's Flood or Evolution (16:00) Genesis Apologetics - Mar 20, 2018
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Archaeological Evidence that Proves the Bible is True (1:20:52)Planet Zion - Jun 24, 2014
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2017SEP10 - Why We Know Christianity is True - J Warner Wallace (55:23)(Canon)
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Cold-case homicide detective J. Warner Wallace - DNA Information Code (10:01)LoveYourNeighbour - Published on Sep 5, 2017
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Noah's Ark - Chuck Missler : Koinonia House (8:27)
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Why i believe in a young earth by ex-evolutionist Dr.Grady McMurtry Part 1 (21:42)[+ part 2,3,4]
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What Are The Odds Statistically: Jesus/Prophecy (1 of 3) Chuck Missler (10:00)
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If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong (5:17) Dennis Prager
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How Consciousness Points to the Existence of God
(9:29)Cold-Case Christianity with J. Warner Wallace - Published on Sep 8, 2015
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Human Chimp DNA Similarity (7:37)Genesis Apologetics - Jun 1, 2017
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"Evidence for a Spiritual View of the "Alien" Phenomenon:"Why do many Christians think the alien phenomena is demonic?" © 2009 Guy Malone,
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Chuck Missler The Days Of Noah & Return Of The Nephilim HD
(3:09:55)Daniel Heath - Published on Jun 20, 2015
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Debate 19 Kent Hovind Vs. Three Evolutionists : Kent Hovind (2:21:24)
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Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution (57:13)HooverInstitution Jul 22, 2019
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Birds Did Not Evolve from Dinosaurs, Say Evolutionists -Stunning New Research Overturns Widely Held Evolutionary Idea - by A. Peter Galling on June 12, 2009 (ARTICLE)
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(18) I dont have enough faith to be an atheist (1:38:31) Frank Turec
Faith and Public Policy - Engage Conference
(link banned here)
evolution is a lie.
hydrolytic sorting shows that
the layers in the Earth are proven to have been put there by water.
dinosaur death pose
mitochondrial eve
the vostok ice core samples
second law of Thermodynamics entropy.
giant ice wolf head and dogs prove microevolution is damage control.
macro evolution has never been seen
anything with the chance of happening of one to the 50th power is considered scientifically absurd...
meanwhile our blood coalesces at odds of 1 to the 270 millionth power.
aliens are demons
Nephilim bones
human DNA is level six complexity.
only level two can be achieved by accidental chemistry.
consciousness itself. being separate from the body.
the Fibonacci sequence.
fractals.
incredibly complex ecosystems that are interdependent.
10 human organs that rely on each other to function defy your ideas of Macro evolution.
human and dinosaur footprints together. human and dinosaur living together carvings and statues.
chlorophyll on T-Rexes tooth shows that most dinosaurs like iguanodon were vegetarian.
live red blood cells found in the Horn of a dinosaur meaning that it was alive less than 2,000 years ago.
oceanic trench and Continental Beach heads prove the movement of pangea to modern configuration because of the flood.
272 civilizations out of account of the flood that were not influenced by the Bible (haven't heard of it)
sea life and sediments on all mountain tops of the world which would require a minimum of 100 feet of water above.
ice Age was literally caused by the flood.
if you believe in a big bang then you have to wonder where did the heavy elements and stars come from in the first place and why did they explode and how come no explosions ever in the history of mankind have ever created something that they only destroy.
creation of fossils are extremely rare and form best underwater ergo to the flood.
going Evolution natural selection implies intelligence.
entropy states that we're going to a state of disorder which means that we were once put together neatly.
that is entirely opposite of the belief of evolution. the laws of nature prove evolution is a lie.
many of your prominent atheists have begun to admit that it seems we may have been put here by aliens because that the only intelligent source they can admit to.
mutations are obviously bad.
take a complex computer program for example like our DNA and just keep removing and scrambling the binary and see how many programs you have that still work.
@@VengefulPolititron you are wrong.
@@mikaeljohansson7921
You know it's impossible to view all my evidence in 2 minutes.
since I posted just 2 minutes ago.
atleast message me back in a week and tell me WHY it's wrong.
that way it won't be obvious you didn't read or watch anything.
@@VengefulPolititron you have all the old arguments that has been around for 20-30 years and debunked for the same time. I know them. Nothing new.
@Thatguywithlogic “Here is the message we have heard from Christ and now announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all.” 1 John 1:5 NCV
Fun fact; it gets dark at night in most locations where plants exist and in some locations darkness lasts more than 24 hours.
God in his glory lights up where he is. The bible clearly sates that the city of God is never dark only on the outside.
how does the universe collapse into nothing if you reverse time?
it should collapse into a shrinking sphere of growing energy density.
also if i am not mistaken the bible says that god hovered over the waters in the beginning, water isn't nothing.
What the bible says is irrelevant, it is a fairy tale, not real history.
@@walkergarya i am using the bible to discredit itself here.
Did you ever read the Bible before? Literally, the first verse of the Bible Genesis 1:1 it says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." It says God created everything. Read the Bible before talking about.
@@jadenthiviyan1271 I have read the bible and frankly, as it is obviously nonsense, I do not care what it says.
@@walkergarya Umm, i wasn't talking to you.
You made it unclear if you understand the big bang or not. The big bang is the expansion of the universe, not the creation of it through an explosion. Furthermore, your argument is that we don't know, therefore God.
Well its either God you put your faith in or that we are here by some other means. If its the God of the bible you want,he tells parents in Jeremiah 19.9 [as a form of punishment] to kill their children and eat them ! For me,its no thanks. Personally I find it absurd to believe in God as I perceive it as a man-made creation and not the other way round. Einstein said it was naive' to believe in a creator. Some find it comforting to believe in God,that does not make God real though.
Totally out of context you quotes that scripture
It is always telling when you are making these presentations to the congregation of a church. I would like to see how he would fare if he was presenting to a conference of astrophysicists!
Yes, if this was credible, i'd think he'd have a nobel prize by now.... which i've notice he's hasn't quite got.
actually there are a lot of astrophysicists are christians....
Sim Climie .... so what? A lot of criminals would consider themselves Christians as well.
Lars Uelf
a lot of astrophysicists see evidence that there is a singularity beginning like the bible claimed 2500 years before the twentieth century when scientists used modern technology to confirm this claim is true.....
the logic of " a lot of criminals claim their christians" was weird...
Sim Climie The difference being that astrophysicist don't believe that the whole universe was magically created in 7 days around 6000 years ago. When you take the Bible literally, you have to deny reality
Einstein was a deist not a pantheist.
So what?
The Cosmological Argument doesn't aspire to point towards any particular God, it's designed to show a supernatural cause of the universe.
The only super natural thing is God.
It fails to establish the existence of the supernatural, and it fails to define what something supernatural actually is. Also, it fails to show that the cause of the universe is supernatural.
+Vainslain To understand beginnings and endings, we have to understand the dimension of time. Us limited human beings measure time in our world through the existence of physical decay and the rotation of the sun and moon. Things physically decay and things die. But what if physical decay and these giant orbital lights disappear. What if the universe was always at a state of perfection, without physical decay. Well, sin, which is separation from this entity of perfection, has resulted in what perceive as physical decay and time and wars and evil. And this entity, my friend, does not need an origin. It would be as Turek said, as dividing by zero.
No, you're certainly confused.
If you want to escape a cosmic beginning at a singularity ex nihilo, then you have to appeal to quantum physics.
But even QM doesn't remove the beginning, it masks it behind the planck era, where the universe supposedly arose as a fluctuation within the vacuum. Which, by the way, the vacuum is not "nothing".
Regardless of how you look at, the universe did arise a finite time ago out of literally nothing.
Other than that, I'm not sure what your argument is.
@AnaximanderLindemann You call me dumb and wonder why I respond with an ad hominem? Are you kidding? Now that petty name calling is out of our system we can have a convo if you wish.
You also seemed to be invoking the multiverse, or superstring theory, as well. But that is too invoke something that is mere conjecture.
But even if proven true, the multiverse would be subject to the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin singularity theorem and would therefore itself require a beginning.
So there is still no exception to the rule.
Frank doesnt believe 6 days of creation.
Also doesn't believe in FlatEarth
In today's culture a day is 24 hours. One day could've been something completely different back then. Perhaps a day could've been millions, even billions of years.
lies?
When God made the earth he called the light day and the darkness night, which was the first day, which was followed by all the other days that He made the universe in.
I'd rather not waste 15 minutes of my time to try to disprove your points, I have better things to do with my life. Now stop being a jackass and move on.
What do you mean learn from history, choose what?
Turek embarrasses himself by cherry picking science facts. find a real physicist who makes this argument. to say something must have created something is a law that came into being with the universe, not before. hard for us to understand, but science nonetheless.
That is Qur'an description of God . Not Bible Gospel today with contradicting.
Escape route? Did you reply to the right comment? If you were, then merely using the word "only" is exceedingly arrogant and given the history of science, an absurd use of an absolute.
Dont know which documentary your referring to-you didnt say. Yes, the laws that govern our universe began from 1 sec+ after the big bang. What happened before we can only guess and we prob. would'nt have the capacity to understand it anyway. Maybe there are infinite universes without begining or end and life is eternal..an atheist is someone who does not believe a creator started it all, not necessarily non-existence when you die [but many do].
i dont understand why it is so hard for theists to believe that the big bang could happen when a flying man cam from absolutely nothing
+LightningK9 What you are calling flying man I call God
An infinite being cannot become from anywhere, because infinity does not have a beginning or an end. God did not come into existence. He was always there.
Because a man and spaghetti are MATTERIAL and need space to exist
I mean the Big Bang supposedly came from absolutely nothing. And if there was nothing, how did something trigger it? It is so crazy to think that there is something beyond and bigger than us that created the universe?
@AnaximanderLindemann Infinite regress is impossible WITHIN A SPACE/TIME FRAMEWORK. Indeed the very notion of regress is only possible within that framework. I never said the universe caused itself out of nothing, I said it was uncaused and existing within infinity as a probability.
@FindingTruthToday Basically, I'm saying holding double-standards is childish. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, and while this certainly has been the downfall of many theories, it has unfortunately, as of yet, had no impact on religion.
Religion is a faith. Faith is believing without evidence.
You don't need science to believe in God, which is good because there is no evidence for God.
Why...because its just a faith
@AnaximanderLindemann I know it's difficult to think in these terms, but the logic is inescapable: without space and time there can be no cause and effect. Cause/effect is "If this, then that". Space/time is required for this to occur, or would you care to explain to me at what point in time time began. W/O space there can be no point, w/o time there can be no beginning. The very idea of "before time" is nonsensical. For space/time to exist it must be self-existing. Cont.
Calling this evidence is really misleading. A personal creator does not follow from Tureks reaoning. Its a "possibility" among many. Especially many if you allow "supernatural".
The "christian god" does not fit into the picture anywhere in Tureks talks, but he does manage to make a case for agnosticism. :P
You do understand that your only real escape route is by way of vacuum fluctuation models or loop quantum gravity models right?
Your'e right that science does have all sorts of fanciful theories,but bear in mind they are only theories[multiverses, etc] and NOT regarded as SCIENTIFIC FACT. E=Mc 2 for example is accepted as scientific fact. There's a big difference between a scientific theory and scientific fact. Being agnostic is your choice..in the meantime I think you might enjoy the following vid on utube : Does God exist by Stephen Hawkins 43 mins. I thought it very profound,it deals with one of your previous Q.
Since time and space means nothing to God maybe the universe has always existed.
@AnaximanderLindemann cont., the quantum level. If the universe is uncaused there can't be a personal entity creating or causing from nothing. Ex nihilo creation is an impossibilty anyway.
Sorry, but you're just wrong. For one, modern science has determined that the big phase, i.e. the expansion of energy from a singularity, had a beginning. Beyond that nothing has been "determined conclusively". Explanation of ulltimate origin is, in the words of cosmologist Alan Guth, "up for grabs". Also, everything that begins to exist has a cause IN SPACE/TIME. Cause and effect is contingent upon space/time. PM me if you really want to discuss this because 500 characters is a pain in the ass.
Of course,this is the way the human mind thinks and we can only grasp things with beginnings and ends. But shouldnt that theory apply to God as well? The theist will go on to say "yes,well God didnt have a beginning you know". That seems like a copout to me. Science does not have all the answers but it does not go creating gods either! to do so would be absurd. How life has arisen I dont know but it has. A biologist is better equiped to answer that than myself.
Turok has convinced himself that the universe could not have arisen from nothing,so there MUST have been a supernatural cause. He is doing no better than fearful cavemen that created the God figure. If Turok and all other theists wish to worship and pray to something that does not exist, let them get on with it. Believing in something does not make it so.
So...his whole point is it makes no sense that the universe came from nothing...But it makes perfect sense for a God who never came from anything to make it from nothing....what?!
@Vainslain you wrote "But all things physical started somehow at one point. You cant include God cos aint physical matter"
You wrote that but are unable to provide any evidence that it is true. Your statement is not falsifiable, but you had nothing that indicates that it make any sense to make the statement in the first place. It is a stupid thing to say.
@FindingTruthToday Evidence against one thing, or lack of evidence for one thing, is NOT evidence for another. As far as the multiple big bang theory, no I don't have evidence for it and I admit that. but whether or not it is true is irrelevant. As of now I don't blame you for dismissing it.
I simply have a hard time understanding how anybody can say the big bang makes no sense without a creator, but that the creator does not need to have been created or follow any of the laws of physics
Well, let me ask you... in an atheistic world view, how did things start? what is the first cause for an atheist... and that includes the vast space called the universe that everything else sits in, the stars, the suns, the planets..etc, they are all sitting in...space..where did that come from... I say this proves there is a God... I also know there is a God, I have talked to him before, and he has talked with me through the scriptures, he has answered prayers, and I have felt his voice inside me... that is how I know there is a God, and noone can convince me of anything else. He proforms miracles, I at times can feel his love, and yes, at times he feels distant, but that is usually because of me...
Whatever makes you feel better.
"Came out of nothing"
Even nothing is something.....
From nothing, nothing comes. If nothing is something, then it is NOT nothing, but a thing with 0 discernable properties. True nothing isn't even a thing with 0 discernable properties, it's the lack of a medium against which properties are chosen against their logical opposites (CTMU, C. Langan). Your idea of nothing is much like L. Krauss idea of quantum vaccum being nothing, this is a misnomer and incorrect. Nothing is pre-substance, with which Being can instantiate something from the void (Nothing) it surround. Again, we're talking pre-space and pre-time here so this relationships are REAL, without being physical or conceptual, but actual. Look into the metaphysics of Nothing if you're curious or think I'm a quack. It's a subtle but very rich framework that shows many angles of absurdity to the idea of "something was just always here" or "nothing isn't real". The Buddhists got the right idea; if anything is REAL, that would be Nothing & Being (which knows Nothing).
I agree with you that the God concept was mankinds first stab to explain the universe and that in itself does'nt make it wrong. I cannot prove a creator could exist outside of space and time..but equally, because we cannot explain the universe is no real reason to suppose a creator. I know one thing though..the bible is the most horrific book which describes a malevolent God. There's things in there[ i know where] which would turn your stomach. Want me to quote them?
Yes
@AnaximanderLindemann Read your syllogism again and you'll see what I'm getting at. Everything that had a beginning in time had a cause, but the universe did NOT have a beginning in time, time had a beginning in the universe. Therefore, the universe is uncaused, eternal, and (because space had a beginning in the universe as well) infinite.
It may appear "intuitive" to the human mind that a God figure exists and created the universe, but that does not make it true ! God is mankinds first attempt to explain the universe and the riddle of existence..but would'nt you feel foolish praying to and worshipping a God figure that does'nt even exist ? Your'e right, QM does not have all the answers but that is no reason to suggest an eternal being created everything .. thats like taking the easy way out.
Oh man I love reason 😂, atheist are screwed with this topic.
Nope. Turek is lying here and the fact that he has to lie shows who here is screwed.
@@Pikkabuu where did he lie?
The equation of general relativity makes it super clear that the universe came into being out of nothing.
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No. It never states that nor was the Big Bang an explosion as Turek claims.
@@Pikkabuu do you have any evidence or any proof to support your claim or it's only your opinion?
Because like I know the equation of general relativity shows that all of the stars and all of the galaxies are moving away from us and the universe is constantly expanding and every scientist will accept it,
And if our universe is still expanding then it's not infinite,
And if it's not infinite then that means it had a begening, and if the stars and galaxies are moving away from us,
That means if we can reverse all of the moving away of stars, we will quickly find out that the universe will collapse to one point which all scientists call the big bang,
Which means basically that all of the universe came from nothing, and one point exploded and formed what we call the universe,
But we have a lot of logical arguments to say that God is the one who created it because nothing can't create everything, so the creator of the universe must be timeless, spaceless, immaterial,
powerful
So that he could create this universe from one big bang,
And you got the idea, all of the evidence leads to the God of the bible and to Jesus christ.
@Thatguywithlogic Per you statement; “I just don't see how you can expect evidence of certain theories whilst simultaneously requiring none for your beliefs” I take it you didn’t watch the video which these comments are attached…In the video Frank outlines clearly evidence supporting the Biblical account of creation.You then go on a“thought” of your own just because you choose to not use Occam's razor on your “thought.” Why would anyone think Noah’s flood true? youtube.co m/watch?v=_9Pr08bp8-I
@GDDM sam A flood story is a Chinese classic called the “Hihking” which tells the story of Fuhi, whom the Chinese consider to be the father of their civilization. It records that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters escaped a great flood and were the only people alive on earth. After the great flood, they repopulated the world.
Hawaiians also have a flood story that tells of a time when, long after the death of the first man, the world became a wicked, terrible place. Only one good man was left, and his name was Nu-u. He made a great canoe with a house on it and filled it with animals. In this story, the waters came up over all the earth and killed all the people; only Nu-u and his family were saved.
And many more great flood stories are out there. As the story of the Flood was verbally passed from one generation to the next in various parts of the world, some aspects would have been lost or altered. And this is what has happened, each story shares remarkable similarities to the account of Noah in the Bible. This is true even in some of the details, such as the name Nu-u in the Hawaiian flood story. “Nu-u” is very similar to “Noah.”
@GDDM sam yes, that's their stories about a world wide flood. Question for you... if you knew that Christ Jesus died on the cross for you so that you could go and be with Him forever in Heaven, would you want to be forever with Him in Heaven?
@FindingTruthToday I actually thought of it myself before being told. I don't have any proof for it, but the concept isn't too far fetched (assuming the big bang is true, which in all likelihood is the case).
I just don't see how you can expect evidence of certain theories whilst simultaneously requiring none for your beliefs. There is no evidence of a worldwide flood during the time of modern humans and no doubt that God didn't give people different languages to prevent a tower to heaven...
Sam go read the bible.
@DoNotBeHighandMighty SMartest man who ever lived? If it was Einstein, you're wrong, he did not think Jesus was the son of god, because he did not believe in a god. Hawking? Nope. So i don't get it.
The universe has been there all the time. When you talk about a cause, you imply a moment before this effect, don't you? If you don't agree, then tell me an example. How can the universe has a cause if there was no any moment before the instant the universe universe came into existence?
How would you know that the universe has always been there? are you as eternal as the universe to state it as a fact? How do you come with that conclusion? I would like to know if you finally discovered it own your own, and how did you do it. Or are you "Choosing" to believe what others are saying? Look at it this way, we're all going to end up believing in or on something or someone.
There's not such thing in not believing in anything, because even then if someone says they don't believe in anything, it's already a way of belief, because they're choosing to believe that they don't believe. So if you were to ask them if they believe that they don't believe in anything? their response will be "yes,I believe that".
So we all are believers and we all have faith no matter which way you believe.
But as a Christian I choose to believe in Jesus Christ, and yes, you might say that I'm choosing to believe in a bunch of lunatics that wrote a book, which is no different from you to choose to believe a bunch of scientists, in which I'm not going to call lunatics or any names since I'm not grater or less than them to pass judgement on what they believe.
But one thing I'll say, you, personally; can't quite say with 100% certainty that what they say is completely the truth. unless you have ran every single test and experiment of all the scientist to be sure that everything they've told you is what truly is. Who knows, maybe if you do that you might also come up with a different answer. And yes, same thing goes for me, however, your bible is constantly changing every year on something, and mainly to correct errors in it more than to add something new, mine doesn't, and what I mean about your bible I mean your science textbooks, but ultimately everything comes back to faith, and in which side you want to place your faith in.
David Quintana David, your point has been raised many times in other discussions. I am very interested in knowing the way you think.
So, you say that the same way I chose to believe in the scientists, you chose to believe in Jesus and the Bible. I think you are right. I chose to believe in the scientists. But the real point is that I chose to believe them because I have contact with many of their products. Medicines, electronic devices, food, energy, mechanical devices, materials, in fact, our lives are completely surrounded by products given by science. The predictions that scientists make actually happen. If they say there is a tiny particle called electron, I believe them, although I will never see one. But that's because every prediction based on the existence of that particle is verified. Your computer works, my TV produces images from the other side of the world and there are many other predictions based on that.
Now what can the Bible or Jesus predict that you can verify? So, are you really sure that my way of believing in the scientists is the same way you believe in Jesus?
David Quintana I believe those things that there is evidence for, and for which the scientific method can be applied. You are correct. Your Bible never changes. Even though it has been shown to be in error, it never changes.
hundreds of predictions in the Bible have and are happening as well.
Also nothing has been in error maybe a typo but the doctrine never has.
@AnaximanderLindemann Interesting... someone who misspells 'that' calls me dumb. From nothing comes nothing, therefore, the physical universe comes from something and it necessarily has to come from something non-physical, uncreated, and outside space/time (infinite/eternal). This something (Call it God, Brahma, or apple pie, I don't care), also, necessarily, contains within it all possible material, power, and intelligence. If you can't follow the logic train there, PM me and I'll go slower.
@AnaximanderLindemann Little boxes. PM me if you want to really talk about this. Without space and time there can be no cause and effect and, thus, infinite being can't cause space/time and the whole of the material universe to exist. In order for phys. universe to exist it, then, it must also be self-existing. Indeed, for space/time to coexist with infinity it can only exist as one of infinite possibilities within infinity, like a quantum wave form, and, remember, the universe began at, cont.
The idea of an intelligent force expanding the universe from a central point makes much more sense from a pantheistic perspective than a theistic one. Hmm. Maybe Einstein was smarter than Turek.
Mmm no it dosent...
@FindingTruthToday
TOOT TOOT!! PLAY THAT KAZOO VICTOR!!
Victor, you have been shown the science over and over, your little word games mean nothing and you know it!! What do you call someone that repeats untruths, Victor?
KEEP PLAYING THAT KAZOO, VICTOR!!
This proves nothing.
Yes, but his reasoning, going from this supernatural or metaphysical cause of the universe, to the christian God, is hogwash. Tureks rhetorics and appeals to intuition does not make his arguments into evidence.
S.U.R.G.E.... yeah! it's all there. I wonder how would Turek convince people with an acronym in a different language if they don't speak English.
Is that a serious question?
Well i dont think it was nothing, just an infinetecmaly dence small partical that expanded
That existed outside of space/time/matter...as all of those were created at the point in time that it expanded.
How do you have a small particle that exists...with no time frame to put it in(no time), no where to place it (no space), and has matter...when matter didn't exist prior to the big bang?
X/0 = infinity
"I believe in the big bang.... I just know who banged it". :) Cute.
Quick question... Who banged god? Where did god come from?
....And you say something can't come from nothing.... so what did god create it from?
God has no beginning, he is outside of space and time therefore God doesn't need a creator
God is outside of his creation, a different dimension...but I do know, he created everything we see and don't see...yes, I know there is a God...
Frankie that sounds a awful lot like god is there again; to fill in the GAPS that science hasn't answered yet.
So science hasn’t answered questions yet? Who’s filling in the gaps now?
@cryora There have likely been multiple big bangs. Doesn't explain the beginning of the universe, but it does destroy theism if true.
Likely? You mean you are not sure?
The Universe created itself. Ooops... this would be a fallacy of circular reasoning.
@DeutschNinjaTanuki In the absence of the sun the Earth would be damned near absolute zero, so nice try mate.
Yea, well, thats why God created the sun...
The universe came from nothing (apart from an infinitely complex, infinitely powerful being).
Does it make more sense to have a universe that begins as the most basic building blocks that, over billions of years, gradually becomes more complex or does it make more sense to start with something incredibly complex making something incredibly basic?
We don't know how the Big Bang occurred. But we have no reason (other than our own incredulity) to assert that God did it.
Okay but who created god?
Idk
Yup, that’s kinda my point.
Well, before the big bang, scientists agree that there was a moment with no time, space or matter. Either that just happened or the explanation is God. God is the creator and doesn't require a creator, or that creator would be God. God is what we'd call a being unlimited by time, space or matter. The question "who created God" also doesn't make sense since it gives the idea of something coming before God, who's outside the finite boundary of time. There are other lines of argument people use to make a case for God.
@@yamimementomori So god doesn't need a start but the universe needs one huh. What if the universe was just always there, being an infinite loop?
yami
You can't solve a mystery by appealing to a greater mystery.
If there was a murder and we had a dead body but no evidence of who did it, we can't say 'well, it must have been the invisible murder fairy'.
We have a material universe and a point in time beyond which we cannot currently understand the physics involved. We simply say 'we don't know' rather than 'the invisible universe-creating deity did it'.
Quran said universe was joint together and Allah still expanding it ... 1400 years ago .
Allah isn't doing crap. God I holding it together. Not the god of muslims...not their version.
he also misrepresents einstein. more dishonesty.
Tim Roeder how? Not refuting just wondering