The House of Reps vs The Senate | Politics Explained
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2019
- What's the difference between the lower house and upper house (well, other than the green and red)?
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In Australia we have a bicameral system - the Senate and the House of Representatives. Members of the House represent a geographic area - known as electorates - which match up with population spread.
The Senate, however, represents states or territories. The number of Senators is spread equally across the country, giving less populated states an edge. There are also a lot of crossbench and minor party senators (such as the Greens and One Nation) because of the Senate's voting system, known as proportional representation, which means people who receive very few primary votes can still be elected based on preferences.
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I am the senate
Not yet
Harry Cool it’s treason then
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*I am the senate*
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Woah look i can comment on an abc news video
goodfilmful odd occurrence if I do say so
goodfilmful XD
democracy lives on.
Why do they not like people commenting on there videos?
@@FrankB69 because if 80% of people in the comments agree it’s a bad video they can discuss. And MSM wants the dumb unthinking people to just agree and not check for other opinions
And why are the House and the Senate coloured green and red? Because they were modelled after the British House of Commons (Green) and British House of Lords (Senate). The Australian Federal Parliament is an interested mix mash of the British and American governments, appropriately called "Washminster." Similar to Britain because it is a parliamentary country and a constitutional monarchy. Similar to the USA in that the upper house, unlike the British House of Lords and the Canadian Senate actually has teeth and represents states.
Isn't it far more similar to the UK then the usa
Close to a third of people now don't vote for either of the 2 major parties. The Senate is the only House that comes close to reflecting this diversity of public political opinion. However, I do believe that while 2 thirds of the Senate should be reserved for an even split between the states, 1 third should be elected by a party list of Australians at large, counted irrespective of where one lives. I'm aware that this would mean yet another voting ballot but it would mean that there is a balance between representing each of the states and reflecting the will of the people in all its glorious diversity from left wing to centre to right wing and those who don't quite fit. The NSW and SA Upper Houses are the only ones who do have a true reflection of the diversity of political views.
100% with you my friend
South Australia's population isn't shrinking, grew by 12 and half thousand in 2018. Its just not growing as fast as Victoria.
Nic Egan it’s shrinking in terms of proportion
And also , the stances South Australia has taken on green energy and the environment which goes against Federal Government pokicies
It's called sustainable population growth. Look at what happened in Sydney with their population boom and now Melbourne. You have to be on $200k+ to even think of living within 10 km's of the CBD.
@@donelion6459 the federal government doesnt determine south australia's seat numbers. Their population size does, via a very simple rule in the constitution
Total rubbish
𝙼𝚞𝚖: what r u watching
𝙼𝚎: soming bout a senat
Rather strange, I don't remember voting for AMP, BHP, Adani or BP
@Enter the Bragn’ Wow mate such a conspiracy despite the publically available list of donations made to political parties. See here: periodicdisclosures.aec.gov.au/SummaryDonor.aspx
@Enter the Bragn’ Flouride isn't bad though.
@Enter the Bragn’ yes, hydrogen flouride may be dangerous, but I don't think they are putting hydrogen flouride in the water. If you consume 5-10 grams of sodium flouride, then a fatal amount of hydrogen flouride will be produced when the sodium flouride gets absorbed by your stomach, but there is nowhere near that much in the water you drink. Plus, I'd hate to break it to you, but nearly all freshwater on the planet naturally contains sodium flouride...
if the government put elemental flourine in the water, then yes I'd be worried to, but we know they don't do that, because we aren't dead.
@Enter the Bragn’ I'm not trusting the government here. I'm trusting the science.
@Enter the Bragn’ Go back to your conspiracy theories flat earther.
Excellent explainer. Thank you!
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At least the Senate is elected using proportional representation.
It's great having these bite sized vid posts about how our parliament operates and is run. Cause with all the American shows that run on our TV Channels, many people here in Australia think our parliament and judicial system is run exactly like the American system.
As for me, I always vote below the line. I decide where my vote's going to. I'm not leaving that precious decision to a politician. Even if that means I wind up with RSI, like I did on Saturday voting in The NSW Election ⚛️
We have so many flavours of giant douche or turd sandwich to choose from here.
i was planning to vote below the line in the state election but seeing almost 300 candidates on the ballot... yikes. fortunately the NSW legislative assembly works a bit differently than the federal senate, so your vote exhausts and won't flow anywhere else once your preferences are all eliminated. makes it harder for the parties to game it with preference deals.
Tenac 300 Sorry I haven't replied sooner. I had my very last wisdom tooth extracted on Tuesday. And my typing would've been all over the place.
To answer your question for the upcoming Federal Election. Yes there will be voting above and below the line on the ballot paper. And that means RSI for me once more and again. And the polling places I go to in the past haven't even had a sausage sizzle BBQ going. How do ya like that for hospitality?......⚛️
@@6Fiona6_P_6 what does RSI mean
@@joshjosh5655 Repetitive Strain Injury. Caused from using the same muscle over and over again. It often affects the hands from typing without a break.
*Malcolm’s thoughts:*
system = gamed
simply not
transparent
transparent democracy
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you should know who
you vote for
This Comment Section is as confusing as a Picasso painting.
Thanks for simplifying things.
Thanks a ton ABC News (Australia) i was unknown about the later part of the vid which includes Voting System for Upper & Lower House & then what changed after 2016 Federal Elections :)
Hey buddy its my first time voting can I ask you a few questions about the senate. I know there are 12 senator in each state and my question is do the each of the 12 senator represent a division in that state?
@@martinvu8395 no, they dont represent a division in the state
The house won't keep adding seats. That's not what it's based on. Seats will be distributed proportionally throughout Australia however.
That was useful video, thanks xD
Wow that was a great explanation
Year 6 Canberra trip.
Actual proportion representation (without rankings or districts) can work. simply have everybody vote for a party and then proportionally allocate seats to the parties. So if a country has 10.000.000 voters that voted and a parliament with 400 seats roughly for every 25.000 votes (a bit less cuz a small amount of votes will be wasted) a party gets they get a seat in parliament, that way smaller parties get representation only if they have people who support them but they are still very viable ! AND if you want to waste no votes at all you give each party in parliament the votes that it got in the election and the party votes as one block, for example if a party got 1.132.564 votes in the election in every vote in the parliament the party first votes internally and then it allocates 1.132.564 votes to there parliamentary vote to approve a bill for example (that way it does not matter that much who are the representatives, as long as a majority of them support the position of there voters)! You can't have truly democratic elections if you elect each seat individually cuz of arrows impossible theorem, that is also why you can not have a democratic government, but you can have a democratic legislature if you don't elect 1 person at a time as arrows impossible theorem applies at electing one thing ! Finaly why have a bicameral legislature ? if one legislature has the will of the peaple and the other does not the other represents something else so why have it ? (note in my type of parliament where could be 90 parties in parliament so passing stuff would not be easy unless they are actually popular so no reason to have a second chamber to make it more difficlt as any goverment whould not be elected by the majority of parliament the therefor would not control it)
great vid.
Great vid. This should be played non stop everytime election so people understand
Also where I voted I was only required to tick 6 boxes in the senate.
What happens to the non-numbered candidates when you only write 12 numbers below the Senate voting paper line?
School made me watch this
Summer Liao hi summer this is Millie younger sis
The reason Millie can’t comment is bc she doesn’t have an acc on yt
yup, RE class :/
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Thank you ABC for a top quality explainer. I found that your News channel is really top quality journalism. It’s a shame that Liberal cut your funding.
They handed 3.3b to em before they went out of office, and the ABC still spent the election period giving vastly more favourable coverage to Labor while doing their best to smear the libs. Why the hell should LNP give taxpayer money to an entity that exists solely to attack them?
As far as I know the ABC has NEVER aired an article on the merits or demerits of a referendum to the Australian people on the Adoption of the American Bill of Rights.
What's that journalist's name? I would love to look up more of her work.
You might wonder why the senate has such a large cross bench…
*16 crossbenchers in the house of reps*
Im not familiar with election station law in Australia (As im from the US). But those “at the door canvassers” at the voting stations, really make us elections workers job harder. Where I run the election in my area the law specifically states that you cant have ANY political memorabilia whatsoever. Yet each of those voters still bring in a handful of papers they were given at the door, and they will often just throw them on the floor, leave them on one of our tables, or AT THE VOTING BOOTH ITSELF! Seems as though Australia might also have an issue with that.
We dont have any issues with it
imo, the how to vote cards are good for when you get past the parties you care about and just want to vote for the least extremist party
Good to know
All Australians should watch this
As a person who lives in a country with a first past the post system...this is extremely confusing
FPTP is essentially for morons. Those who haven't graduated from primary school
It's much better than FPTP.
Not really. Instead of casting one vote for one person, you rank your candidates in order of preference. That's the gist of it!
The Senate is far more democratic than the House of Reps, giving more seats to the crossbenchers because of proportional representation and also giving the smaller states more of a say - it’s the house barracking for the Aussie battler. Not only that the accountability mechanisms in the system keep the government held to account, through committees, estimates, disallowance of delegated legislation and amendment or rejection of contentious legislation. Paul Keating saying that only shows how undemocratic his intentions were
We can now comment ! It’s a miracle.
Could the ABC please state which Constitution the recent 2019 Federal Government is it using to hold Authority In turn show lawful subject jurisdiction?
Seems like a good system actually.
It is.
There are several very misleading things in this video.
Firstly, the implication that Annings' won on 19 votes is complete garbage. One nation got 229,056 above line "1" votes. Anning was third in line for the one nation, and got the seat after 2nd in line was found ineligible. So over 200,000 people wanted Hanson then Roberts/Anning ahead of *anyone* else in the senate. The 19 votes where not needed to secure the second quota. The quotas fell before the below line votes even needed to go to preferences.
The second big lie is saying Malcom Turnball changed the rules for how to vote in the senate. This is blatantly not true. The Prime Minister does not have such power. The parliament changes the rules, not the PM. So the blame lies equally with the Greens and Liberals - not the PM.
It clearly states he received 19 PRIMARY votes. Only 19 people in the state, actually voted for him in the first instance
@@michaelellis8726 it's still a trick question. Do you remember which Senator you gave your primary vote to? Of course you don't. You gave it to a party who nominated their candidates in a particular order.
You are right, it is the Parliament that changes the rules. But why do you "blame" the Liberals and Greens for implementing a fairer system? I don't like One Nation at all but if in a fair system, enough people elect some of their candidates over the line then so be it. That's democracy and that's the system that I want.
"Blame"? They improved the system. Even partisan hacks should be able to recognise that
below the line for the last NSW state election? 326 candidates >
I put Leyonhjelm first. Top bloke.
Tbh another new pm of australia will probably elected 3 years from now or less. This was similar to japan back in the 2010 when pm change every years.
What seat does Al Jazeera hold?
This is democracy manifest
No, it's a succulent Chinese meal.
Where I come from, political campaign is forbidden on the day of the election, so you wouldn't see last minute vouchers telling you "how to vote". That is a sign of how politicians make votes from the lack of interest on a sector of australian voters who are not informed and make desperate last minute decisions like... Fraser Anning
Every system has its strengths and weaknesses. The advantage of a Senate (whether US or AU) is that cities can not grow at the expense of the farms(stand-in for any industry where population density works against you). Imagine a law saying farmers give their produce to cities undervalued.
Jared Hamon that can't legally happen btw. That's just an invalid argument against fair population based democracy.
@@quinnreverance611 If we want "fair" votes should be weighted by how much you pay in taxes (raw total), not merely the act that you exist. Those who pay the bills makes the rules.
Laws can change meaning what was once illegal is now legal (or vice versa) . Making the protection necessary. This still crops of with water rights for example, what is more important water for for crops or for the pools in the city. Which group is more populous?
Jared Hamon if votes were weighted on tax payments, it would then be wealthy vs everyone else. There are already protective measures already to prevent mob rule. I believe in Electoral College Reform, not abolishment. There is an issue when the political minority (quite) often overrules the Majourity, and I will support reformation measures that move to make it equal. I do see what you mean though, mob rule in the past might've upheld cruel and unfair policies, and that's something that needs to be adressed with the ammendments of Electoral College.
@@quinnreverance611 It already is wealthy vs everyone else. Has been since feudalism. The reason for it is that it gives the rich an incentive to "pay taxes" as opposed to hide them in a "tax haven". While at the same deinsentivising large government programs that can not easily be funded.' This used to be addressed with "titles of nobility" which gave the rich reason have their wealth in a certain region (special privileges), but this has been rendered moot via globalization and weakening of the nobility, a new mechanic to prevent "rich flight" is necessary.
As to your other concern weighted voting" would only be a piece not the end-all be all. That and getting "the rich" on board is important for any electoral reform to be stable.
@@quinnreverance611 We have one - the House of Reps.
What Keating did for personality politics. Miss that guys style.
So in that case, I guess the order of who's papers are counted makes a difference?
That's... That's a damn good question. I genuinely can't figure out a way that it wouldn't. Instinctively I thought no of course not, otherwise it would be a prime target for manipulation or interference, and could have a significant difference... But shit, it's politics.
Hopefully someone reading this can answer better
It’s more complicated than what was said in the video. When a candidate gets more votes than the quota, a “transfer value” (the number of votes in surplus divided by total votes received) is calculated. Then all of these transfer value votes are distributed to the next candidate on every ballot. That probably doesn’t make sense but there’s good explainers on the aec website
No, all the papers are counted first
I like to vote for the smaller progressive parties in the senate but preference the big 2 in the lower house because then at least the smaller parties can keep em in check
1:27 divisions actually
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Very few people put a lot of effort into their senate vote.
In Australia we have a bicameral system...................except for Queensland
And the territories.
There's wayyy to many smaller parties now, the ballot was a kilometre long last election!!
I lived in Australia for 46 years and try as I might I never understood this system. Ban "how to vote" cards and see what you end up with. The population would be as befuddled as before.
I'm involved with a movement which believes that voting, or at least the system should be improved.
The core of their argument is that the votes of two morons cancel out the vote of a genius
@@croweater6814 Google 'Mike Hockney' (a pseudonym). In particular, 'The Case For Meritocracy' (no, not Idiocracy, haha)
And if/when you get to the part that explains The 100% inheritance tax, you will see a quote by. .. me! (A pseudonym)
I googled, only found a book. TLDR. Tell us, who decides on which people are meritorious? There have been some fairly shoddy folk arguing the I’m better than you line before.
@@adrianxenia5670 I think you will find that the use of the pencil is part of the Electoral Act. It should just have been rejected at the count. What concerns me is you getting a letter to say your vote was not counted. My understanding is that once you have received that ballot paper(s) then it is secret only you know. Can someone through a bit of light on this?
@@mattfyfield Well the elite families have made that claim for nearly two millenia now, they feel they are the best equipped to lead the human race. and look where that has led to.
Part of the problem has been identified as the Hegelian (of the philosopher Hegel) concept of 'the other.' I'm not going to sit & type an overview of it.
Meritocracy is a futuristic concept that we probably wont see in our lifetime
Nothing have in coming call
You can but should you in fact, ask yourself, we will do the same , raise a consensus and let you know . Don't hold your breath...
There’s only 25million people in Australia. I’d love to see a government to population ratio and compare us to other countries.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislatures_by_number_of_members
There's about 110,000 people per seat including both houses (the page says 100,000, but the population number is outdated.) Or about 166,000 per seat in the House of Reps. Most countries of comparable size have larger lower houses. Imo we should have a larger House, closer to 250 or 300 seats. The Senate could use a boost too.
I think less parliamentarians to people than UK
so that is senators where do legislators fit in when it comes to alteration of laws after all senators by definition are members of the senate that is it LEGISLATORS are those whom alter laws or implement new laws or revoke laws. Members of the senate are simply there to ensure that governance of the country is done within the constitution and its laws.
Its a power struggle
And the senate is the house of review
Not always, sometimes bills start of there as well and go to the house of representatives afterwards.
I’m still confused
Me too - struggled with it in college and I struggle with it 39 years later
Rob S someone help us
326 candidates on that NSW ballot, could rank all 326 if you got a candidate you really dislike.
" 326 candidates on that NSW ballot, could rank all 326 if you got a candidate you really dislike. "
State of New South Wales Legislative Council Election?
OR
Election of Senators for the State of New South Wales in the Senate of the Commonwealth of Australia?
At least it's no Kim Jong ill
hope he starts feeling better soon
I am Indonesian, why this is on my recommendation :")
Because your system denies democracy by its nature.
I would compare them to the breakfast club to be honest
Why do force us to vote the Labor, Liberal and the Greens. Donkey voting is useless exercise as votes will be transfered to another candidate.
It's my first time voting need more information. Why did they teach me this in school.
try the vote compass votecompass.abc.net.au/
Because schools are not your parents
@@michaelellis8726 but this is more important than something like Macbeth
After 30 years of the education system denying your young people their rights about political processes you now have a government funded news network dumbing it down to you.
She has nice hair
god entered into my body, as a body, the same size, and god forced me to guy
I think it would be beneficial for newer generations if term limits were added to congress. It would help younger people to build a deeper understanding of politics in general by reaching out to politicians who are similar to them in life experiences instead of having to vote for more older traditional candidates. With term limits we would be able to eliminate the issue of incumbency, incumbents having a greater advantage in comparison to newer candidates causes many young people to dissociate and disconnect from the political conversation. By adding term limits we would encourage younger candidates to run, younger candidates being beneficial due to them being more qualified to represent younger voters who make up a bulk of America and who are essential to the development and future of America. I urge other who see this post to spread the idea of adding term limits to people running in government, congress, and politics as a whole.
Just like in indonesia, because senat is a representative of people
Calls her self Hack.... good on her
Keating is gold
How can they pay for what will make them suffer in the future
Well this video would have been more helpful before the election...
The election was today, it was quite a bit before it I would say
bring on a republic Australia
Why ABC sounds like buzzfeed
budget cuts show up eventually
Have you never heard of an Australian accent before?.. or are you just now realising
You could always sub to sky.
Protection on the thought they helped
"hack reporter"
ABC reporter and hack reporter are synonymous terms
"So why male models?"
What are you saying?
It's funny that she said it's only happened twice because in 2022 the Labor party has a majority in the Senate and the House.
this video is from 3 years ago
@@floraschmidt5892 And? She said it's only happened twice in history and now 3 times.
Talk about prime minster and senate
Wow, American and I wish we had this system for our Senate. I’m sure you guys have your own complaints about how your government is run, but trust me a two party system such as ours is broken. Be grateful you don’t have it.
2 party system is stupid
We don't have a 2 party system. We have 2 parties left.
@@waterdamnaged right now is the least like a 2 party system it has ever been since the 3 party system of protectionist vs free trade vs labor in the first decade of federation.
We have a “minor” 2 party system. Labour and Liberal is the 2 main parties, but we always have a couple of minor parties and independents in government (The Greens, National). This is great because there is actual meaningful discussion and debate instead of one party forcing a policy due to numbers, then having that policy dropped when the opposition gains power
Bruh as an American , I wish we could implement this sort of model in our senate
what part? because our senate is modelled off of yours
@@Lagiacrus1996
I think he means the proportional voting part
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Why do you think it's acceptable to turn off comments on videos where people are being critical of you? Why would it ever be acceptable actually ???
I wish my national broadcaster didn't hire hack journalists.
To Mr Morrison I know you don't want to know what your voters think about what you are doing but just remember who put you there I am so upset that you and the other governments we have had in the past why have you sold our lovely country to another country don't you care evey politician that have got in have done nothing our system needs changing you go on about having not enough money well I don't know why you are worried about it with the wages you are on and all the other politician s we are still paying for you want to save money well put money back into our country and stop helping other countries we are suppose to be the lucky country yeah for the rich also put everyone on the same wage as you are on also build houses for the homeless and fix our health system up and stop buying from other countries when we have good workers out here bring back our jobs and stop paying for refugees that come out here to send our money over to their country please wake up and do something better because what you are doing now is not Woking thank you
Said everything and nothing.
son of serbia I agree
Why is a pencil and not a pen provided when voting. A pen is permanent a pencil can be robbed out. ?????????????????
ok mate this is funny
Piss off preferences
So parties can hand out leaflets at the polling station?
Volunteers for that party hand out 'how to vote' flyers outside pretty much all stations, yes. In a way it's just their way of making sure that if you intend to vote for that party you can make your preferences align with how that party want things to go, if you so wish, so they usually have the most ideologically different independents last for example. They don't say anything about policy etc. it's not campaigning.
aSneakyChicken Sounds rather strange as here in Britain you could get into trouble for talking to voters, before they went in. It is against UK electoral law to try and persuade people how to vote, at the polling station!
Absolutely
@@torspedia They're not allowed to talk to them here. Just hand out flyers.
@@flowerpower8722 That's good. Though even that is against UK electoral law.
Ugandas President must be brought before trial several have been killed in the district of Mpigi.
What's that? Adelaide didn't increase in population as much as Melbourne within a year?
Libral Guvment: oops I forgot u existed
The redistribution of seats is done by legal provision by the AEC. It's not done by the government of the day.
If you don't have anything good to say, you don't say anything. But I will say this. No sir!! These rules are messed up.
Basically just old People yelling like animals (politics)
idc
Hows the EPA going on counts of coexisting inhabitants on earth you all refer to as birds,animals,insects,fish,worms,maggots,etc. Etc. Etc. Hows the chain has it been broken by species going extinct trying to keep up with human population counts keeping humans away from canabalism.
Vote 6 or more above the line and 12 or more below the line.
and thats why the voter needs to know what day it is and have some sort of knowledge about how to boil water before theyre given the responsibility to cast their votes as to who will be the leaders of the states and our country
Voting is problematic because the electorate is either not interested enough to do their due diligence or are ignorant.
Its still fairly complicated ,and i think most Australians don't know really who they are voting for when you consider the back room deals done with preferences , i still believe the one with the most votes should win ,but that would be too transparent for the pollies ,their aim is to confuse the electorate ,and often win by default .
Our system is complicated but much fairer than what you are suggesting. Under your system you could have 5 candidates where 4 of the 5 got 18% each which would be 72% and the fifth got 28%. Thst would mean almost 3 times as many people voted for somebody other than the person who got elected. With preferential voting the person with the greatest amount of approval across all voters gets elected. That's much closer to what the majority wanted.
@@leechgully ,Assuming most Australians understand who they are voting for when they vote for an independent ,or anyone except the two major parties , most Australians aren't even informed about which way an independents preferences are leaning , don't see how this is fairer ,to achieve an honest result ,never have ,and never will .But thanks for the info, cheers .