Well, some would point out that you don't have to make a film utterly mindless (like those two films) for children to enjoy them... On the other hand, you could also point out that you CAN make children's movies utterly mindless and still be successful, so why not, right? It is a lot easier.
Word. I have never cared about rotten tomatoes. And that is the only one that whatculture references. Sometimes they'll do metacritic sometimes they'll do IMDB they need to do IMDB a lot more
I think RottenTomatoes is the best… you got critics ratings and regular ratings… when you put them both into consideration, you can really figure out if the movie is worthwhile or not… It goes like this for me RottenTomatoes IMBD MetaCritic… However, usually when the RottenTomatoes score with both critics and audience is low, the movie is crap. When it comes to more artistic, obscure, psychedelic, psychological, weird movies, critic ratings in RottenTomatoes means a lot… a lot of times though there are movies rated very low by audience but very high by critics that are absolutely phenomenal… sometimes, not as often though, it’s the other way around… These days I don’t really watch as many films as I used to back when I was in university/a fresh-grad… so I often do a ton of research about a movie before committing to watching one. Lololol
Since 2020, both my parents and two of my friends have died. Then you add in Covid, politics, social justice issues… so, I have turned more and more to fun “popcorn” movies. At least at the movie theater. I don’t want to pay money to feel sad or angry.
"The Da Vinci Code" (2006) Note: I began ignoring Rotten Tomatoes when "paid boosters" were revealed. "Saw 3D" (2010) *I don't like "torture porn" movies. "Cocktail" (1988) "Shrek the Third" (2007) "Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel" (2009) "The Devil Inside" (2012) "The Smurfs" (2011) "The Twilight Saga New Moon" (2009) "Transformers: Dark of the Moon" (2011) "Fifty Shade of Grey" (2015)
The Da Vinci code was a good movie. The reason why it probably has a low score is Christians probably voted it down for suggesting that Jesus had a lover.
Using Rotten Tomatoes as your gauge doesn't say much for you. When Fireproof with Kirk Cameron has a higher score than The Da Vinci Code at 38% it's broken.
To be fair all far right Christian films have higher scores than their quality would warrant because of the critics who eat that shit up because of culture war bullshit
Can’t help but see some irony in you mentioning the devil inside having an abrupt ending when a lot of whatculture videos now just end abruptly with no outro. 🤣
@@thetoddsmith Off the Top of my head, I’m drawing from older Movies because I haven’t paid attention to reviews in a few years. Demolition Man. Dredd. Superman Man of Steel.
The thing with the da Vinci code is that 90% of the book is exposition which is virtually impossible to transfer to the screen without loads of, well, annoying exposition
Hate to tell you, the Box Office actually does signal whether a film resonates in the marketplace. Honestly, the thought that a film must be "artistic" to be worthwhile is silly.
@Kwippy What is "good" is subjective. I trust the box office numbers more than RT or award shows. Also, if Trump is going to live in your head like that, you should charge him rent.
Never give the public exactly what they want - they will eat donuts till the puke and blame you for making them sick. Corporate Hollywood needs to learn to aim higher than audience's desires or they will destroy the art of cinema - pretty much have already.
Bad movies can be successful, and good movies can bomb, it's not like people know what's good or bad until they actually watch it 🙄 I enjoyed The Di Vinvi Code, but then religious folk didn't like Dogma either, they get rather mad when something doesn't align with their fantasy stories Not interested in any of those Vampire chick flicks, and I never understood the appeal of Kristen Stewart, now I did like The Golden Compass "Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies, those aren't ideas those are special effects!!!!!" I much prefer Filthy Shades of Sasha Grey, and there's Sasha Grey's Anatomy too, it's just best to watch the old Sasha Grey stuff on the hub instead lol 🤪
The Social Network, The Peanut Butter Falcon, Suspiria and Bad Times at the El Royale are all great movies starring Dakota Johnson but alas Dakota Johnson did not elevate these films because she starred in them so I see your point.
@@filmsociety1311 out of all those movies you mentioned, I only watched The Social Network and I don't actually remember seeing her in it. I started watching 50 shades and gave up after 10 minutes because her acting was so bad: she was like a little kid in a school play. A few years later, after a few beers with a group of friends they decided to watch it. It was so much better dubbed into German!
@@rustyshackleford6035 bet your favorite movie franchise is fast & furious. But you like movies like THE Predator, Eternals, Shang-Chi, the Michael bay transformers movies, Jason X, Jason Takes Manhattan, X-Men Origins Wolverine, Thor 4, Black widow, multiverse of madness & the bee movie.
@rustyshackleford6035 The Oscars isn't exactly difficult to get a nomination these days,it's not just about performance anymore, you've only got to be a minority, then its pretty much guaranteed now at some point in your career to get a nomination. Plus, nearly all movies that have been released in the last 7 years are terrible in comparison to the previous 7 years . I mean, it's gotta be bad if barbie is nominated at the academy awards ffs.. come on now !
@@EnochPowellsLibrarianA yes, Ryan Gosling, a famously known minority as a straight white male - your ‘theory’ falls apart when the nominations are over 75% white people. you sound like a person who likes to use ‘woke’ as a pejorative but doesn’t actually know what it means.
The blood looked fake in Saw 3D? Didn't we know how to make blood look real by then? I don't know why I watched the Twilight movies. I hated Dark of the Moon. Thanks to that I stopped watching Transformers until Rise of the Beasts. I was a little hesitant on watching that one but it was good. I think Bumblebee restored my fate in the series.
Does anyone really base their viewing choices on what critics think? Next people will be daft enough to think the word "organic" on food has any real meaning. 😏
Please do a video based on streams! I know we live in a world where success in the movie industry has always been determined by money, but things change and there are so many movies that go unseen on streamers.
I'm sorry but none of the Twilight movies were good. I am not being biased here either my wife loved the books she liked the movies but re watching them at age 37. They are bad
In my country India we have a movie know as Ragini MMS2 in terms of story its terrible and actors and actresses have done overacting but because of songs and main actress bold scene it was hit
VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY (Who is also directing VENOM 3) MORBIUS had the writers from GODS OF EGYPT (Who are also behind MADAME WEB) And KRAVEN THE HUNTER has the writers from TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT AVI ARAD doomed this cinematic universe MADAME WEB is doomed as well, despite not having Arad's involvement
"Cultural touchstone"? I only learned about "Cocktail" a few days ago because I saw a list of highest-grossing Eighties movies and decided to Google the ones I'd never heard of.
Rotten Tomatoes is hardly the benchmark for determining a film's success and/or quality. I'd argue that most of the films on this list, while varying in quality, are far from terrible.
When 50 shade's came out I was a Big fan of the movies but since then I've found movies that were way better made for way way less and nobody seems to talk about them like James Spader's secretary and sanctuary on Hulu that prove can do this kind of movie way better I dare anyone who loves 50 shade's to watch the 2 movies I just mentioned and tell me that aren't better films
Product placements isn't new and doesn't make a movie bad, it makes movies more realistic. Because these products exist in the real world. Playpen instead of playboy, GMX instead of GMC takes people out. Plus with mega blockbusters budgets these days, it's product placements or the movie won't get made. It's just another lame excuse critics come up with to explain away their fucking bias.
Theory: Joker 2 will be Killing Joke with Lady Gaga playing Barnra Gordon who becomes broken to become Harley Quinn (who shes credited as NOT Harleen Quinzel)instead of Oracle. Gleeson and Keener's unnamed roles could be as Jim and his wife.
Anything that makes less than an underperforming marvel movie isn't "breaking the box office." Margin of profit is nice, but 100M is not a humongous hit.
Alvin and the chipmunks and The Smurfs are not aimed at critics and kids love them...that's the point of them
Well, some would point out that you don't have to make a film utterly mindless (like those two films) for children to enjoy them... On the other hand, you could also point out that you CAN make children's movies utterly mindless and still be successful, so why not, right? It is a lot easier.
U guys don’t have to give the rotten tomatoes score to these movies I mean who still trusts rotten tomatoes?
Word. I have never cared about rotten tomatoes. And that is the only one that whatculture references. Sometimes they'll do metacritic sometimes they'll do IMDB they need to do IMDB a lot more
Exactly. I suspect some scores are rigged.
I think RottenTomatoes is the best… you got critics ratings and regular ratings… when you put them both into consideration, you can really figure out if the movie is worthwhile or not…
It goes like this for me
RottenTomatoes
IMBD
MetaCritic…
However, usually when the RottenTomatoes score with both critics and audience is low, the movie is crap.
When it comes to more artistic, obscure, psychedelic, psychological, weird movies, critic ratings in RottenTomatoes means a lot… a lot of times though there are movies rated very low by audience but very high by critics that are absolutely phenomenal… sometimes, not as often though, it’s the other way around…
These days I don’t really watch as many films as I used to back when I was in university/a fresh-grad… so I often do a ton of research about a movie before committing to watching one. Lololol
Agreed. I especially don’t trust the critics score on there. And when the comments are so generic.
Strangely enough a lot of people do. I don't get it but they do
It's so easy to dunk on how horrible the Twilight movies are.
So please continue.
Good. Very good. I was about to be "upset" with you and then... 👍 👍👍
It's low hanging fruit, but I have a bad back! lol
😂🤣
They keep cranking out Fast and Furious movies which all boil down to "cars go fast".
I thought is was all about family.
It’s almost as if the critics are out of touch with the viewers, who’d have thought. 😏
Since 2020, both my parents and two of my friends have died. Then you add in Covid, politics, social justice issues… so, I have turned more and more to fun “popcorn” movies. At least at the movie theater. I don’t want to pay money to feel sad or angry.
Yes, people like trash, who’d have thought
"The Da Vinci Code" (2006) Note: I began ignoring Rotten Tomatoes when "paid boosters" were revealed.
"Saw 3D" (2010) *I don't like "torture porn" movies.
"Cocktail" (1988)
"Shrek the Third" (2007)
"Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel" (2009)
"The Devil Inside" (2012)
"The Smurfs" (2011)
"The Twilight Saga New Moon" (2009)
"Transformers: Dark of the Moon" (2011)
"Fifty Shade of Grey" (2015)
The Da Vinci code was a good movie. The reason why it probably has a low score is Christians probably voted it down for suggesting that Jesus had a lover.
Using Rotten Tomatoes as your gauge doesn't say much for you. When Fireproof with Kirk Cameron has a higher score than The Da Vinci Code at 38% it's broken.
To be fair all far right Christian films have higher scores than their quality would warrant because of the critics who eat that shit up because of culture war bullshit
Da Vinci code had ten times more reviews.
Can’t help but see some irony in you mentioning the devil inside having an abrupt ending when a lot of whatculture videos now just end abruptly with no outro. 🤣
Not sure why everybody disliked Transformers as much as they did. They were super enjoyable to watch
This just goes to show you NOT to allow movie critics to decide what you see and what you don’t. There are GOOD movies that get shitty reviews.
Oof. A random name out of nowhere. You're right, though.
I've read some of the great reviews printed in ads are "fake" critics .
Name some
@@thetoddsmith Off the Top of my head, I’m drawing from older Movies because I haven’t paid attention to reviews in a few years. Demolition Man. Dredd. Superman Man of Steel.
No one should decide if you go see a movie. Neither the critics or fans.
transformers DOFM was AWSOME! They should have put transformers AOE here instead since it also made over $1b
So The Movie Equivalent Of TV Shows Like Jersey Shore breaking TV ratings on MTV In 2009
The thing with the da Vinci code is that 90% of the book is exposition which is virtually impossible to transfer to the screen without loads of, well, annoying exposition
The only thing wrong with cocktail is it has Tom Cruise
First sentence in the video;
“For many years, the film industry has been big business…”
Rotten Tomatoes scores don’t matter. I’ve seen them give a movie an absolute trash rating, while on the other hand the audiences loved the movie.
Hate to tell you, the Box Office actually does signal whether a film resonates in the marketplace. Honestly, the thought that a film must be "artistic" to be worthwhile is silly.
Agreed.
Just because a film " resonates " doesn't mean it's good, or worthwhile. Look how Trump " resonates ".
@Kwippy What is "good" is subjective. I trust the box office numbers more than RT or award shows. Also, if Trump is going to live in your head like that, you should charge him rent.
Never give the public exactly what they want - they will eat donuts till the puke and blame you for making them sick. Corporate Hollywood needs to learn to aim higher than audience's desires or they will destroy the art of cinema - pretty much have already.
Bad movies can be successful, and good movies can bomb, it's not like people know what's good or bad until they actually watch it 🙄
I enjoyed The Di Vinvi Code, but then religious folk didn't like Dogma either, they get rather mad when something doesn't align with their fantasy stories
Not interested in any of those Vampire chick flicks, and I never understood the appeal of Kristen Stewart, now I did like The Golden Compass
"Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies, those aren't ideas those are special effects!!!!!"
I much prefer Filthy Shades of Sasha Grey, and there's Sasha Grey's Anatomy too, it's just best to watch the old Sasha Grey stuff on the hub instead lol 🤪
There is no underestimating the poor taste of most people. Mediocrity rules.
Any movie with Dakota Johnson is going to be rubbish... she can't act! I just automatically skip the movie when she's on it.
The Social Network, The Peanut Butter Falcon, Suspiria and Bad Times at the El Royale are all great movies starring Dakota Johnson but alas Dakota Johnson did not elevate these films because she starred in them so I see your point.
@@filmsociety1311 out of all those movies you mentioned, I only watched The Social Network and I don't actually remember seeing her in it. I started watching 50 shades and gave up after 10 minutes because her acting was so bad: she was like a little kid in a school play. A few years later, after a few beers with a group of friends they decided to watch it. It was so much better dubbed into German!
I found "Cocktail" so bad I walked out... and I sat through "Rise of Skywalker"!
If I had known, I would have walked out on on ROS…or better yet never gone to see it in the first place.
Not liking Cocktail is so un-American. 😂
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Barbie & Across The Spiderverse comes to mind when reading this title
Sorry your going to have a hard time finding someone who agrees with you in fact Barbie is going to the Oscars this year 😂
@@rustyshackleford6035 *you’re. Learn how to spell & then come back. But enjoy your braindead content like Barbie & across the spider-verse
@@rustyshackleford6035 bet your favorite movie franchise is fast & furious. But you like movies like THE Predator, Eternals, Shang-Chi, the Michael bay transformers movies, Jason X, Jason Takes Manhattan, X-Men Origins Wolverine, Thor 4, Black widow, multiverse of madness & the bee movie.
@rustyshackleford6035 The Oscars isn't exactly difficult to get a nomination these days,it's not just about performance anymore, you've only got to be a minority, then its pretty much guaranteed now at some point in your career to get a nomination. Plus, nearly all movies that have been released in the last 7 years are terrible in comparison to the previous 7 years . I mean, it's gotta be bad if barbie is nominated at the academy awards ffs.. come on now !
@@EnochPowellsLibrarianA yes, Ryan Gosling, a famously known minority as a straight white male - your ‘theory’ falls apart when the nominations are over 75% white people. you sound like a person who likes to use ‘woke’ as a pejorative but doesn’t actually know what it means.
The blood looked fake in Saw 3D? Didn't we know how to make blood look real by then?
I don't know why I watched the Twilight movies.
I hated Dark of the Moon. Thanks to that I stopped watching Transformers until Rise of the Beasts. I was a little hesitant on watching that one but it was good. I think Bumblebee restored my fate in the series.
i forced my friends to watch The Devil Inside on my birthday...opening night. lol
Does anyone really base their viewing choices on what critics think? Next people will be daft enough to think the word "organic" on food has any real meaning. 😏
No 2️⃣ if you thought when Bay directed these movies was bad, you should've seen when he produced the "Ninja Turtles" movies too
I hope those venom movies are on here...😂💯
Actors who’ve had Movie/Tv characters based on them “ Samuel L Jackson - Mac Windu, Afro Samurai”
Please do a video based on streams! I know we live in a world where success in the movie industry has always been determined by money, but things change and there are so many movies that go unseen on streamers.
I'm sorry but none of the Twilight movies were good. I am not being biased here either my wife loved the books she liked the movies but re watching them at age 37. They are bad
In my country India we have a movie know as Ragini MMS2 in terms of story its terrible and actors and actresses have done overacting but because of songs and main actress bold scene it was hit
No 6️⃣ And they didn't stop the sequels until 4 came around first
Obviously twilight saga is more hated than fifty shades saga at that time
VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY (Who is also directing VENOM 3)
MORBIUS had the writers from GODS OF EGYPT (Who are also behind MADAME WEB)
And KRAVEN THE HUNTER has the writers from TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT
AVI ARAD doomed this cinematic universe
MADAME WEB is doomed as well, despite not having Arad's involvement
I’ve seen this comment before 🤣
@@coreycasciano3255 Avi Arad must have eaten his childhood dog, I can't explain the obsession in any other way.
I haven't seen Venom, but I like that other one, oh wait I'm thinking Filthy Shades of Sasha Grey
Yeah guys ditch the rotten tomatoes scores it weakens the video. Anyone with a memory remember their score rigging scandals that made them irrelevant.
No 7️⃣ and they even made a fourth film which while better than three here still lacked what made the first two films so special before
No 1️⃣ And the sequels didn't stop until 3 came around
I only saw Saw 3D because Chester Bennington was in it and I was obsessed with him at the time but yeah it wasn’t that great
Unsubscribed. What a waste of time.
No 3️⃣ I do not recommend watching those either
Kind of a strange position: who decides if a movie is terrible even though a large number of people are willing to pay money to see it?
Kinda shows how irrelevant rotten tomato’s is.
the nun , unfriended should be here
EVERY SIBGLE VIDEO YOU MAKE SHOULD BE ON A TERRIBLE LIST. RETIRE OR FIRE
da vinci code was alright...
You gotta admit.....Fifty shades movies are pretty good tho.
Stooopid but goooood XDDDDD
Rotten tomatoes lol
"Cultural touchstone"? I only learned about "Cocktail" a few days ago because I saw a list of highest-grossing Eighties movies and decided to Google the ones I'd never heard of.
Rotten Tomatoes is hardly the benchmark for determining a film's success and/or quality. I'd argue that most of the films on this list, while varying in quality, are far from terrible.
When 50 shade's came out I was a Big fan of the movies but since then I've found movies that were way better made for way way less and nobody seems to talk about them like James Spader's secretary and sanctuary on Hulu that prove can do this kind of movie way better I dare anyone who loves 50 shade's to watch the 2 movies I just mentioned and tell me that aren't better films
Lesson: the hype machine used to work.
first movie i thought of when I saw this was "50 shades of grey" or whatever the hell that travesty was called...
Product placements isn't new and doesn't make a movie bad, it makes movies more realistic. Because these products exist in the real world. Playpen instead of playboy, GMX instead of GMC takes people out. Plus with mega blockbusters budgets these days, it's product placements or the movie won't get made. It's just another lame excuse critics come up with to explain away their fucking bias.
Love your content guys
Rotten Tomatoes is meaningless. Nobody with a brain trusts them. As a side note, I have never seen any of the Saw movies and never will.
We love you Ellie we love you so much
Theory: Joker 2 will be Killing Joke with Lady Gaga playing Barnra Gordon who becomes broken to become Harley Quinn (who shes credited as NOT Harleen Quinzel)instead of Oracle. Gleeson and Keener's unnamed roles could be as Jim and his wife.
I would have put Avatar in first place i was a store manager for blockbuster video and we all went to the theater to see it and we all walked out
Anything that makes less than an underperforming marvel movie isn't "breaking the box office." Margin of profit is nice, but 100M is not a humongous hit.