Now this got more meaningful than I thought it was. Especially how you said that every 4 33 is never the same. And its the audience who gets the attention.
John Cage was interested in Zen Buddhism, which is where he got the idea to determine the lengths of each of 4’33’s movements by chance. Later in life he questioned the very nature of sound and music. He realized at some point that real silence doesn’t actually exist, and he wrote 4‘33 to examine the interplay between sound and silence in the compositional process.
0:13 Y'know, I don't wanna argue too much with people. But, just because that is the one that played the piano (whatever that red thing is) you shouldn't call the music horrifying!
I think the proper distinction to make is not whether or not 4'33 isn't music or not, but rather if it's art or not. Music can most certainly be described as the combination of percussive & melodic sounds created by musical instrumentation. It seems there is a clear cut definition as to what music is. However, in the case of pure sound, that is for anyone's interpretation. Anyone can find all kinds of sounds pleasant, just look at the digital space now. It's saturated with ASMR, ambient & abstract music, and compilations of videos that string together natural occurrences that sound like music or harmony in some way. So my answer would be that John Cage's 4'33 is in fact, not music. Silence cannot be music for it is the absence of it. Silence does not have organized structure, music does. Silence can be described as the absence of sound. Perhaps not all sounds, which is why 4'33 is a rather interesting concept since it forces the listener to focus on natural sounds rather than organized sounds. So whether or not someone wants to consider silence a form of art is for their own perspective. Objectively though, music & silence are two completely different things.
There’s actually an interview with John Cage where he explained 4’33” is a composition of rests. When he timed the composition, it turned out to be 4’33”. Take that for what it’s worth.
The point here is not the music itself but rather human thinking! Arguing about what music is and what is not, makes our minds rolling, and they are made to roll, not to stall. Breaking down the conventions (not for their own sake and definetelly not just or showing off) helps us move our minds a bit forward, broaden and widen our perception of life, ideas, boundaries, principals, convensions, notions, etc... This is what I like about this piece; every time I found myself in a talk about it, most often my day ends with new perspectives about all how's and what's in art, and perhaps in life too.
For what it's worth, I think that John Cage looked at music transcripts and performances and saw periods within the transcript when there were musical 'rests' (crotchets, brieves and semibrieves et al) and concluded that these elements were 'part' of the music. He therefore, controversially went on to compose 4 mins 33 secs which only consisted of said elements. This of course led to criticism, but each performance of his infamous piece is unique and individual as each performance has its own audio contaminations that otherwise would be less audiable in a performance with fewer musical 'rests'. IMO .... a masterpiece
Even as a blues player, the silence between riffs is just as important as the actual riffs. The music is the audience, not John Cage. Absolutely brilliant. ✌️❤️🎸
I think John Cage mastered sarcasm that he actually made people believe that this is a masterpiece. Now I see where Randy Marsh from "South Park" get his motivation to start "Sarcasteball"
@@edilsonarquiteto01 my fine arts lecturer said it was perceived as the 'perfect' time period for a song, so that's why it was 4 minutes and 33 seconds
i would say it's music because its organizational structure is consciously thought out. the CONSCIOUS organization of sound in time is music, and is how it differs from nature and other random sounds.
I think 4'33 is music. It is similar to Andy Warhol's "Campell's soup can" painting; both artistic pieces have a similar purpose or meaning, or content
Actually, it’s more similar to Rauschenberg‘s „White Paintings“, a series of works Cage knew of and tried to transport to the realm of music with 4‘33.
People who like this song are either pretentious snobs who don't understand it, or troll memers. The performance of the guy staring at his stopwatch is hilarious though. Many others are painfully cringe when the musicians think they're being artistic though.
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10 likes and I'll play this piece!
Where is it 😂
The likes count....
It seems to be playing right now
"Or can you? " 😂😂that one killed me
John Cage was the biggest troll of his time
he was really. His work was supposed to make you question things but humour was very much part of it.
Subversion
Dude even made the longest music ever where it will finish over 600 years later.
*coughs*
John Cage: and that was the first movement, moving on
Exactly
Now this got more meaningful than I thought it was.
Especially how you said that every 4 33 is never the same. And its the audience who gets the attention.
Ive been practising this piece my whole life
Sorry to say this but you will never perfect this piece.
John Cage was interested in Zen Buddhism, which is where he got the idea to determine the lengths of each of 4’33’s movements by chance.
Later in life he questioned the very nature of sound and music. He realized at some point that real silence doesn’t actually exist, and he wrote 4‘33 to examine the interplay between sound and silence in the compositional process.
I’d pay to hear 4 33
Same
pay up to make me shut up
@@allensucks3721 💵💰 hush now
There was no music, the rest of these theories are part of human nature to find the meaning and reasons for everything. 😂
Silence is part of music
A piece Beethoven can hear
You really made me laugh! Great sense of humor! :)
What happens when you practise this at home, and there's no one listening?
A tree falls
The sound of one hand clapping.
You're listening
0:13 Y'know, I don't wanna argue too much with people. But, just because that is the one that played the piano (whatever that red thing is) you shouldn't call the music horrifying!
Exactly. We all had to start somewhere. Except perhaps Mozart.
Rests are music too!
I think the proper distinction to make is not whether or not 4'33 isn't music or not, but rather if it's art or not. Music can most certainly be described as the combination of percussive & melodic sounds created by musical instrumentation. It seems there is a clear cut definition as to what music is.
However, in the case of pure sound, that is for anyone's interpretation. Anyone can find all kinds of sounds pleasant, just look at the digital space now. It's saturated with ASMR, ambient & abstract music, and compilations of videos that string together natural occurrences that sound like music or harmony in some way.
So my answer would be that John Cage's 4'33 is in fact, not music. Silence cannot be music for it is the absence of it. Silence does not have organized structure, music does. Silence can be described as the absence of sound. Perhaps not all sounds, which is why 4'33 is a rather interesting concept since it forces the listener to focus on natural sounds rather than organized sounds. So whether or not someone wants to consider silence a form of art is for their own perspective. Objectively though, music & silence are two completely different things.
There’s actually an interview with John Cage where he explained 4’33” is a composition of rests. When he timed the composition, it turned out to be 4’33”. Take that for what it’s worth.
The point here is not the music itself but rather human thinking! Arguing about what music is and what is not, makes our minds rolling, and they are made to roll, not to stall. Breaking down the conventions (not for their own sake and definetelly not just or showing off) helps us move our minds a bit forward, broaden and widen our perception of life, ideas, boundaries, principals, convensions, notions, etc... This is what I like about this piece; every time I found myself in a talk about it, most often my day ends with new perspectives about all how's and what's in art, and perhaps in life too.
For what it's worth, I think that John Cage looked at music transcripts and performances and saw periods within the transcript when there were musical 'rests' (crotchets, brieves and semibrieves et al) and concluded that these elements were 'part' of the music. He therefore, controversially went on to compose 4 mins 33 secs which only consisted of said elements. This of course led to criticism, but each performance of his infamous piece is unique and individual as each performance has its own audio contaminations that otherwise would be less audiable in a performance with fewer musical 'rests'. IMO .... a masterpiece
It's not music. It's a performance.
John cage is what happen when dada artist choose music instead of painting and sculpture.
Even as a blues player, the silence between riffs is just as important as the actual riffs. The music is the audience, not John Cage. Absolutely brilliant.
✌️❤️🎸
I think John Cage mastered sarcasm that he actually made people believe that this is a masterpiece. Now I see where Randy Marsh from "South Park" get his motivation to start "Sarcasteball"
Or the cover for Spinal Taps black album...perhaps
what i don't understand is how it took him five years to complete 4'33
Pretentious bullshit and philosophic meandering
"Everything We Do is Music" - John Cage
Your screams are like music to my audio receptors
-Qymaen Jaysheelal general of CIS and music connaiseur.
Missed opportunity to make this video just 4'33" of a black screen.
Bit of a missed opportunity that this video isn't 4 minutes and 33 seconds. lol.
Very interesting, but why 4'33"? is there an explanation of why this time period?
4’33” is four minutes 33 seconds
@@bloopertrooper7521 Ok, i understand. But why? is there a reason for this time period?
@@edilsonarquiteto01 I mean then again nothing about John Cage or this piece makes that much sense
@@edilsonarquiteto01 because the numbers are cool
@@edilsonarquiteto01 my fine arts lecturer said it was perceived as the 'perfect' time period for a song, so that's why it was 4 minutes and 33 seconds
its shocking to believe that every person in the world is listening and participating in 4'33'' if you think about it.
This is how famous John cage
10,000 comedians out of work and he's doing standup.
hes sitting
I like to create a lot of music by eating with my mouth open, but other musicians do not appreciate that.
I don’t mean to brag, but I can play a mean 4:33 by John Cage…..
I just wrote Theme and Variations on John Cage's 4 33. Now to find a publisher.
my music teacher just played this in class
imagine this video being complete silence
4'33 is the story of the Emperor's New Clothes.
Lollllll
This "performance" if you can call it one is Emperor's new clothes performed as a social experiment.
Came here from lirish
Our mapeh told us to listen and write a reaction, I was not expected that the music is nothing but the noise that I made
i would say it's music because its organizational structure is consciously thought out. the CONSCIOUS organization of sound in time is music, and is how it differs from nature and other random sounds.
I think 4'33 is music. It is similar to Andy Warhol's "Campell's soup can" painting; both artistic pieces have a similar purpose or meaning, or content
Actually, it’s more similar to Rauschenberg‘s „White Paintings“, a series of works Cage knew of and tried to transport to the realm of music with 4‘33.
@@jowe interestimg
When I saw this clip was about the right length, I thought the presenter wasn't actually going to say anything!
People who like this song are either pretentious snobs who don't understand it, or troll memers.
The performance of the guy staring at his stopwatch is hilarious though. Many others are painfully cringe when the musicians think they're being artistic though.
That an audience wouldn't boo and jeer and slow hand-clap such nonsense speaks volumes...
I have known 4'33'' for years.But only recently I started to grasp the geniality of John Cage's work... absolutely incredible
Well explained
Silence is also a music
Can be played on theremin?
Go on, Katice - I dare you!
What if your deaf?
......
Bro it was a troll. there wasn’t even a music there-
:skull:
5 years for what??!
Hi
This is music in the same way that rap is music.
So they're both unquestionably music and acceptable forms of art?
È geniale.
Se loco eu sei tocar essa musica direitinho.
just another example of why 'modern' classical music is garbage
The likes are at 333. I will not like to keep the balance intact
Ok Boomer