Can I Make Something More Functional than the IBox for Significantly Less?
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Have you ever found yourself struggling with overly complex and costly box joint jigs? Fret no more, as we introduce the ultimate solution to your woodworking woes! Follow along as we demonstrate the creation of a user-friendly and budget-friendly box joint jig that ensures flawless joints with just a single test cut. Don't miss the opportunity to discover this transformative woodworking tool - hit subscribe to stay updated on all the details!
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Timestamps
Intro - Can we Make a Better Box Joint Jig? it 0:00
The 3 Questions you Need to Ask in Product Development 0:45
What Problems are We Trying To Solve? 1:12
Accurate and Easy to Use 1:42
Center Keyed Box Joints 2:45
Features of Katz-Moses Box Joint Jig 3:30
How did we make a box joint accurate? 3:37
Setup and Micro Adjust 4:50
Removable Keys Make Center Keyed Box Joints So Easy 6:42
Manufacturing and Product Development Behind the Scenes 7:58
Welcome to the Katz-Moses Tools Manufacturing Facility 9:20
What Equipment do we Use? 10:11
How We do Manufacturing Development 12:10
Interesting Problem Solving 14:22
Prototyping On Steroids 16:17
How to Go From a CNC to a Laser 16:50
Making High Accuracy Parts on a Laser 17:54
Pick and Pack 19:00
How it all Comes Together 19:42
Outro 20:46
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Yup, I am one of those oddballs who would like to see you demo this on a router table (one with a standard size miter slot, of course). Hopefully you can find the time to make such a video.
As a small business owner....this is the content I love. Thanks for taking the time to show all of this.
Awesome video, Jonathan! As an aspiring manufacturer, I greatly appreciated seeing behind the scenes. It is inspiring to see how much your business has grown over the last few years. I hope you continue to have success! - Joe
Thanks so much Joe!
Received my box joint jig and love it. Its quality and accuracy are exactly as you described. Love it!!
Soooo interesting to see all the behind the scenes! Amazing facilities you have put together. :O
Thanks Cris! I hope you're well! Send me a PM and I'll send you one
Jonathan,
Thank you for showing us your manufacturing process. I'm always interested to see how things are made and you did an outstanding job of showing and telling us. When I find the need for a box joint jig you are the first place I will consider. You can count on that! 😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
Love your products! Thanks for the tour of your facility. Amazing equipment. You have the right idea, SELL SOLUTIONS!
Long time watcher and supporter of your products. Amazing to see how far you've come and look forward to seeing what's next. - Chris
Jonathan, very nice and well organized production facility - you've really stepped up your game. I'm always pleased to support a small business producing innovative high quality products - just ordered the box joint jig. Just wanted to say thank you for your contributions to the woodwork community!
As a previous purchaser of your products I can't wait for this one. I've said for over a year now to play around and build a box joint jig. We'll always behind on builds and rarely taking time for my own builds this is perfect!!! This will make me spend an afternoon playing with it making a few nice boxes for myself and my kids finally
Love supporting you JKM-you are one of the good guys in the WW community; will pick one of yours to add to the shop; agreed on the Incra-have that one too.
That was quite interesting. For your next vacuum pump look into liquid ring vacuum pumps. They are used in paper production, have significant vacuum, tolerate lots of debris, are quite and run cooler than any other pump that I'm aware of. If nothing else it will be an interesting dive into tech. Water is the liquid.
AND you did all this in only 8 years???? All I can say is you're an amazing person and I'm glad to be a small KM Tools Happy Customer! Good for you Johnathan! God bless you!
Yesterday (3/13) was my 8 year anniversary with woodworking. My father-in-law walked me through the steps of taking a 2x4 and turning it into a shadow box frame with box joints! Even though it was just pine, it still blew my mind what was hiding inside a dirty old 2x4. I was HOOKED. Thanks for sharing this journey with me!
Nice to see behind the scenes
Great video. As a "RETIRED" CNC programmer, I miss all of the 'technical' work and the manufacturing process. What a blast it would be to be involved in the development of products like you are making. I wish you continued success, and thank you for sharing the processes.
A question I would always ask students rather than “what do you want to be when you grow up?” was “what kind of problem do you want to solve?”
Great insight JKM! I still ask interviewees what they want to be when they grow up - I am looking for their answer, but also want to see if they have any sense of humor…
I want to be Jonathan Katz-Moses when I grow up.
@@crashkghaha I want to solve the problem of why JKM cutting box joints is so hot right now.
Wow! Best darned box joint jig I have ever used. Also I liked the behind the scenes part of this video.
Johnathan Thank you. As others have said I'll parrot, this is exactly what I like to see. I've noticed a major trend where woodworker RUclips channels have gone away from making products and have shifted to other content like tool reviews. This leaves people like myself yearning for more content that shows how things are made.
Damn you, Mr. K-M. You’re quickly becoming my go-to jig/tool manufacturer. I have no choice but to buy this…
This. This is how product development should be done. I've been in the industry for 8+ years and so many company's idea of product development is "cost reduction". Not that it's a bad thing, but it's not solving any problem, except profit margins. This clearly identifies problem and gives great solutions. Well Done!
I can't say thank you enough for sharing your manufacturing insights. We chatted on the phone a few years back about laser cutters, and I haven't looked back. You were 100% correct and that purchase was a total game changer for me. We are getting close to maxing out our capacity in our current location and the next step is to set up a facility with Design/Prototyping, Manufacturing and Shipping areas... We have a lot of work to get there, but seeing how you handle these challenges helps me think through the solutions.
Thanks for sharing the process and explaining the pitfalls that you and your team had to overcome. I appreciate your quest for excellence!
I can see why I enjoy using your router plane and dovetails jigs, so accurate and well made!
Keep making AND SHOWING us how you develop your products!
Happy woodworking!
This was a fun one. Thank you my friend
Thanks for the tour. Really inspiring Jonathan. I need to get out there and see it myself. Quite the impressive operation man keep killing it.👍👍
It fills my heart seeing you get after it as you are! I have both of your flat pack products I fully expect to buy the next one you release 🤘
I just received my box joint jig the other day! I can’t wait to make the center key joints as those look so much better than having one off sized joint. Thanks for the behind the scenes video Jonathan! I love to see how much thought you have put into these items! I hope you make more!
That is just simply slick, gotta appreciate the time and effort that goes into everything you do
We love your products and your story. Thanks for sharing the details of your journey with us all!
Thank you Katz. I just received my Box Joint Jig. Wow. That came fast, I only ordered it the evening before. That took just under 24 hours. Amazing. Thank you for the instructional video. At first I was trippen that there was not instructions, and then realized you provide a video. The whole thing looks great. I decided to put linseed oil on my fences before using this thing, just for added durability. But overall, seems awesome. Thank you.
Jonathan, your manufacturing process is really, really good. I am very familiar with the Fanuc controller. We had an Omni CNC in our cabinet shop in the early 2000’s and you are correct that it is probably the best controller on the market. Your Pick and Pack out portion is absolutely NEXT LEVEL, I mean Amazon NEXT LEVEL. Very impressive. Oh Ps your router plane has seen some great work. This tool I believe is superior to the OG Stanley #71. I love this tool and it was actually my very first high end hand tool I’ve ever purchased and I’m 64 and been woodworking for over 30 years. As soon as I recor from major chest surgery, I will be ordering the box joint fixture. Keep up the amazing work you do
Got so interested in the tour, I forgot to comment. I am impressed by the time and quality you have put into this. I will be ordering one within the month, because there is nothing I love to build more than small boxes. Keep up the great videos and content.
WOW, what an impressive operation~!! I've been following your channel since the beginning and your evolution has been amazing. I love that center-keyed box joint...such a clean look~! I've made box-joint jigs over the years, but I really like the features of yours, so I'll definitely be ordering one of yours. Thanks Jonathan~!
Fantastic work, Jonathan! 😃
It looks like a fantastic design indeed!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I really enjoyed seeing your manufacturing process and the attention to detail. Great video!
My absolute favorite thing that you do is ask us to "come in for a closer look" or "come on in and let me show you (fill in the blank)" it's like having the coolest professor in college. Professor Moses!
Excellent content as always, Jonathan. Congrats on all the growth you've had. Back of the house tour was fantastic. All I can say is kol ha'kavod. You've earned it.
I love your stuff. I've ordered a few things and they all work great. I will continue to purchase from you to support what you do. Keep up the good work.
I'm not sure I even need a box joint jig. However, I am so impressed with your teaching skills and your YT videos, that I will buy a box joint kit just help the cause. BTW, I try to buy any/all woodworking tools, jigs, kits I might need from KM just because of your YT videos are so informative and useful. Keep up the great work and instructional videos! You are MUCH appreciated.
Really fascinating look at all the things you go through to figure out your process to manufacture the parts! People have no idea how much is involved in developing and making things!
I really like to see good folks succeed in life. I’ve been following since wayyy back. I know you’ve put the work in and I’ve seen the growth. It’s fantastic. Keep up what you do bud…it’s inspiring. 👊🏼☺️
My God, I cannot describe the jealousy when I saw your manufacturing area 😂 this is so awesome. It must feel amazing to have built towards this over the years and reached this level. I'm excited to see where it goes from here.
I’ve been watching since you did the video with David Picciuto; just amazing what you’ve built from what started as a hobby! Love your products and content 🙌
Wow Katz very impressive business u made! I think I started following you when you worked in your shed. I Think your building looks a bit bigger now. It’s amazing what you have created! 👏 keep it up 👍
I ordered one, very anxious to try it out!
Congratulations on all your success!! Truly inspiring and I love your videos. Informative, engaging, well done. Awesome channel.
Very professional and very cool Jonathan!
Thank you once again sir for figuring out easier ways to create things. I love this jig it looks great. Thank you for showing us around the shop. I would love to spend a day learning more about CNC routers and how they all work. I would like to understand how the CNC gets its information. As a computer nerd I would like to see the code and how it generated for the machine.
Great video, Jonathan. I have an Incra iBox and hate it. No matter how often I use it, I have to watch the instructional video again.
Just ordered your new box joint jig, and am looking forward to receiving it.
this is amazing! I can't wait for the cross cut sled jig
Thanks for the video, really enjoyed the tour of the manufacturing area.
Looks great. I remember you talking about this at WBC yesterday.
I like the look of this jig. One quick thought though: if you offset the mounting holes for the fence pieces you could make them not just rotatable 180 degrees, but also flippable back-to-front so you could make use of all 4 corners rather than just the two. You'd just need a second op to hollow out the relief for the bolt heads on the other side. (Or a zeroth op more likely, do the drill and relief on the full panel, then flip the board and use the features you just cut to register for the rest of the milling that you're doing now)
@katzmosestools Thank you for providing insight for the CNC tool paths and fabrication hurdles. I think those were far more valuable when coupled with the reason why decisions were made. Thank you for taking the time to help others learn.
I love box joints. HATED setting up. Great solution to an actual problem. I don't even have any immenent projects needing box joints but ordered it anyway.
Hi Jonathan, what an awesome shop! I purchased your router table and many products from you as I really appreciate all your great advice. Your box jig looks fantastic, but I don’t yet have a table saw, but as soon I do, I’ll order one immediately! Keep up the great work and thanks again for all you do!
Really enjoyed the extra detail!
You should be proud. Best wishes for continued success. Thank you for sharing.
This looks amazing. Thank you for sharing. Great job on making a fantastic product.
Niiiiiiiice ..I'll be ordering that jig Forsure...love the versatility of it, very impressive my man .those CNC an Lazer machine's are the cats meow lol..thanks for your time on your vids and straight up, this is how it is channel lol...
That backing track is dope
I have self-developed saw blade here, very practical
Like you, I find figuring out the problem to be solved an important part of the creative process. To avoid the awkward partial key problem, when I design a piece using box joints, the size of my work piece is determined by an odd number of full keys. For example, box sides with nine 1/2” keys will result in 4.5” sides, 5 keys on one board and 4 on the other. The center key solution is another viable approach, and may be necessary when the size of the boards can’t be dictated by the keys, but I like the simple elegance of all consistent keys.
Ordered a box joint jig, received it, but I haven't assembled it (been busy with too many projects!). I'm looking forward to putting it to use soon!
Looks like another great project. I still want you to do a Moxon vice kit.
2:18 Nick cage is even interested in that 😂😂
Love this content! Nice to see the backstory.
Purchased this morning!
Cool video.
Wow. That's way more "professional" than I imagined. I don't mean that in a pejorative way. I never expected scanners etc. Good on you! Just ordered it (and a bunch of other stuff that I've been meaning to get around...corner glue scraper, for example) :)
Great design but dado blades are illegal in Europe - any ideas?
Will you make a metric version?
Blew me away per usual Mr Katz-Moses. I really want that box joint jig, it's so sexy. Congrats my friend on the CNC factory. Watch you grow so much, very proud when I tell someone "Oh Katz-Moses! Yeah I'm subbed to him." Great stuff sir. Wish you all the best God bless.
Thanks so much my friend!
For the future, you should look into Coosa Composite Boards from Coosa Composites. Coosa Boards are made of high-density closed-cell polyurethane foam reinforced with continuous-strand fiberglass and woven roving. Coosa Boards are dimensionally stable and non-absorbent.
Coosa Boards were developed as an alternative to marine-grade plywoods. The cost is comparable to marine-grade plywood and Baltic Birch plywood. It can be cut and sanded with normal woodworking tools.
really cool stuff. Couldnt you have made the 'mortise' where the pin slides in a consistent size so that you wouldn't need multiple backing plates? I would imagine you could offset the male side of the plug to be perfectly aligned and there would be less waste in MDF. Food for thought
For routertable use, it would be nice to have slots for the runner on the other side as well. Seems like a great alternative to a €300,- Incra Ibox
??? Can you use a single blade or do you have to have a Dado stack? Because I really want one but I don't have a Dado stack.
I appreciate you making jigs for woodworkers, as I don’t want to spend my time making my tools. That’s like French Cleats, I don’t have a laser or CNC by I can buy mounting brackets at A Glimpse Inside from Chris, and not have to cut out all the 45’s, I can just screw them to my told holder and hang it.
Love this design! I emailed you an idea :) 😊
Thanks
Great video, love seeing the thought process that goes into it all and and why’s behind certain decisions.
In regards to the laser engraving, is it possible to do the engraving before the CNC? Would minimize alignment issues on laser as the CNC is easier to reference afterwards. Would also reduce handling time of having to place all the pieces in and out of the laser engraving jigs?
Next on JKM's tool-making journey: JKM invents a combo CNC and Laser engraver combo that works all-in-one. With the tolerances, etc.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY💵!!! (Can’t believe I’m the first to say that, lol)
Thanks for the hard work developing this jig! I’ll be ordering one!
Got my box joint jig quickly and it went together easily. A question for you: is there such a thing as a half blind box joint for the front of drawer faces, like a half blind dovetail? I'm envisioning cutting the side pieces and using them as a template for a flush cut trim with the router, but I don't want to redo the whole process if someone has already done it and made all the mistakes. Thanks.
As a long time flat bed router operator, I have to ask….. why on the cut pass of the plywood parts, do you use such a large diameter bit? This is opening up far bigger areas and reducing vacuum pressure. A smaller bit would help with hold down, and you can nest more parts.
I don't owe a dado stack. Can I use a regular blade and make many cuts? Loved the behind-the-scenes part of the video.
Curious if you considered on-board storage for the acrylic keys?
thznk you
Hey ! There's two guys back there spying on you
@ Jonathan Katz-Moses - Is that "NOPE" a shoutout to Chuck Testa?
I wish that this was available before I bought my I box.
Looks great. Can this jig be used on a router table?
Will this jig work on a router table as well? Seems like it would.
Do the miter bars have adjustability?
Where/how did you learn to manufacture? Did you have some exposure growing up. I often see people that are great at what they do often had gotten their experience very young. I have the Ibox. Really related to the having to refresh how to use it with youtube and directions.
No I learned in the last couple years. My dad was in tech and I had no experience as a kid. Thanks my friend.
Quick safety question. Are the type of gloves like the red ones worn using the router acceptable to wear using rotating tools? I've always heard no gloves but maybe that's just the thick leather ones. I'm looking to hire an employee and want to make sure everyone is safe in my shop.
It just depends on what they’re doing. They’re just taking tabs off and no where near the bit.
What is the name of the song at 8:00? I really like it
For those of us who’s table saws do not fit dado stack blades how would that work for us
Looks great, but for the rest of the world, do you have a metric version? (Wife called me away before I saw the whole video 😅}
I am curious how you adjust for slight differences in table saw miter slots? Not all of them are the exact same.
Watch the install video. We have like 5 different solutions
vimeo.com/911067749
@@katzmosestools- Thank you, sir!
When CNC-cutting the parts out, why space them so far apart? It looks like you could get 20%-40% more parts out of a sheet by spacing the parts just by the width of the cutter, maybe a bit more, to allow for cutter deflection. An exception would be where you had to rout the pocket shown @12:59.
Same with laser cutting. @17:54, a fair few parts can be cut from the border and the right-most end of the sheet, as well as the space @17:58.
Video suggestion: No BS guide for maximizing part yield from your material.
More parts = more suction loss. We had to cut down the amount of parts because the sheets wouldn’t hold
@@katzmosestools Divide the sheet in half (or 1/3, or whatever works best) and cut up 1 half at a time. Not cut the sheet, but program the machine to cut parts from half of the sheet at a time. When the machine starts cutting the other half, lay a board over the first half, to reduce vacuum loss.
Laying a board introduces a whole bunch of other issues like tool safe Z height needing to be raised significantly and the dust shoe crashing . Plus it adds more steps for humans. That’s not a high production shop solution that’s viable. Trust me we’ve run thousands of sheets of plywood