It's always amazed me how the Grateful Dead have constantly managed to be spared their share of responsibility for the Altamont debacle when, after all, they were the ones who, in the first place, recommended the Hells Angels, maybe not the chapeter that wound up at Altamont, but how could the Stones know about the San Francisco chapter vs the San Jose chapter vs the Oakland chapter. The Dead (and their manager Rock Scully) knew about this and the various differences among chapters and should have been more involved. But they weren't. Then, at the festival itself, and this is critical, after arriving to perform in their alloted slot, the Grateful Dead, taking stock of the violence that had taken place up to that point, walked out on the event and left the premisis altogether, leaving a 2 hour gap before the Stones came on. The Dead, on their own home turf, with an audience that was their crowd, their people, bolted like cowards, fearing further violence. They could have had a soothing effect on the crowd if they'd performed. It may or may not have worked, but their unwillingness to try was reprehensible. They knew the Stones were now alone and didn't have the option of walking out. As bad as things were at the moment of the Dead's exit, there's no telling how much worse things might have degenerated had the Stones, too, walked out. The Grateful Dead's bailing essentially gave the message that the cared only about saving themselves. They didn't care about the state of affairs at Altamont. They didn't care about the pile of crap they were handing the Stones, leaving them to hold the bag when the time came to find blame for a festival gone awry. If this concert had been in London, on the Stones' home turf, and they had walked out on the Grateful Dead under similar circumstances, nobody would have hesitated to blame the Stones for chickening out, and rightfully so. Well, at Altamont, this is what the Grateful Dead did. Have they ever answered for this? Have any of their fellow California musicians that performed that day ever answered the question about the impact of the bailing by the Grateful Dead? These other bands all bailed themselves, but at least they performed. In the end, The Grateful Dead high-tailed it out of Altamont to save their own skins, the Stones be damned and the rest of the crowd as well.
Some of the best info about Altamont can be found in the books by Sam Cutler, the Stones tour manager at the time and the voice that announces “The greatest rock and roll band in the world, The Rolling Stones,” on the Ya Ya’s album, Ethan Russell coffee table size photo book, and by Joel Selvin, and Selvin’s book is one of the best of all the books on Altamont.
The Rolling Stones had already used 50 Hells Angels to guard the stage on July 5th 1969 at their Hyde Park free concert in England and without any problems worth mentioning.
The story from what I saw on a History Channel documentary about this was that the Hells Angels felt pissed that Jagger didn’t pay them $50,000 for the concert fiasco which is why they wanted to kill him. After the failed boat assassination attempt, Jagger just decided to pay them the money.
Butch was Clarence Addie “Butch” Crouch. A founding member of the Bandidos and a long standing member of the Cleveland chapter of the Hells Angels. One of the Dirty Thirty (a group of Angels that rumbled with the Breed MC at the Polish Womens Hall in 1971). His claims can’t be verified. He went into witsec along with his family. For the full story I highly suggest listening to the podcast called, Relative Unknown by his daughter Jackee. Compelling stuff. Butch, who was going under the name Paul Dome ended up unaliving his wife and stepson along with himself in Texas in 2013.
@@purdyboi8078 if I would have used the proper word my comment would have been removed and RUclips would have threatened me with a ban. It’s already happened to me once.
From David A.Wood: Nice video as I am a diehard Rolling Stones fan. Additionally, I have heard of the infamous 1969 Altamont Speedway incident ever since August 1979 when I was fifteen-years-old. Therefore it is really nice the information on that crime totally discussed in full detail. Thanks and have a nice day (Monday, December 11, 2023).
The stones shouldn't have trusted the hells angels no matter what anyone/band/band manger. They live to ride, party, and put fear out in the world..smh.. bloody hell man. I understand why the Beatles didn't want to tour anymore, too much bullshit can go on.
Wasn’t it the Dead who hired or at least referred the HA? Maybe I’m just confusing the fact that the Dead was chummy with them for a little while. Their shared love of a wide array of drugs, and the HA’s connections, I’m sure they got on swimmingly 😝
That's not how it happened, did you even see the video? The guy in the green suit was approaching the stage with the gun in his hand after being blocked from climbing on the stage, not that I'm defending the bikers , gangs are bad mkay
THERE WERE 5000 DOLLARS OF BEERS ON THE WALL, 5000 DOLLARS OF BEER ! seriously, what did they think would happen, a jolly old drunken singsong ? we think's not, hahaha...
Because the concert was not in San Francisco so the hells angels chapter was from Oakland and LA totally not the same chapter as the hippies of San Francisco. There was no assassination attempt that is just pure bs.
WRONG. FRisco Angels were there as well; you can clearly see Frisco patches on the front of the rockers in some of the guys in the video. And if you think Frisco HA are any less ruthless, than Oakland or other charters, well then, you're just an ignorant wretch.
The 60s were coming to a close woodstock then altamont the stones final leg of their 69 tour it seemed in a sad note that era ended with the Altamont and charles Manson tragedy on success of the historic moon landing
5 bucks for a ticket, ha ha, even then...hell man, that dude would be shittin' his pants if he had to buy a taylor ticket right now. Thank god I was in my concert heyday in the early 90's when they were still only 30. My kid still's never been to one, and probably never will due to the 500 price tags.
No 1, don't hire the HA to a poorly organised event. 2) Don't pull a gun on the HA....he probably would have took a beating, you pull a gun and that's a direct threat of murder on the HA that's not going to end well for you. 3) The stones were and are absolute wankers, they bit off more than they could chew. Murder is indeed awful but come on man it was so shoddily organised with so many oversights it's hardly surprising is it? Personally I believe the Stones and management were partly culpable for some fricking shocking decisions
This was an unfortunate incident. The young man should have left when his girlfriend asked him to. You don’t use drugs and try to climb on stage especially carrying a weapon. Hells Angels are a gang, they’re not police or trained security. Could they have subdued him, took away the weapon and escorted him out of the venue? Yes, but they are a gang, and they do not handle situations with that rationale, they are violent. As Chrissie Hynde stated in her biography, she made the fateful mistake of going off with some motorcycle gang for free drugs (don’t recall if it was the Hells Angels) and she was gang raped. This cheap venue should have provided proper security. That’s not to say this young man wouldn’t have died because he pulled out a gun, but perhaps qualified professionals could have taken him down without overkill, and had him arrested.
ANDY WARHOL a tiny blonde weird artist NOPED the hells angels… Shit THAT is funny… got armed guards with automatic weapons on a compound in the Hamptons… Andy WARhol gangsta gangsta gangsta
Respect H.A. and don't mess with them! If you show them Respect they will leave you alone but if you diss them. ..there is NO WHERE TO RUN! THESE ARE MEN! NOT BOYS!
Weren't you paying attention ? Did you just learn that the 1960's was 50 years ago ? Does this surprised you bud??? Were you bad in math and history or something ? Are you in grade school? Are you DAFT MAN !!!?
It's always amazed me how the Grateful Dead have constantly managed to be spared their share of responsibility for the Altamont debacle when, after all, they were the ones who, in the first place, recommended the Hells Angels, maybe not the chapeter that wound up at Altamont, but how could the Stones know about the San Francisco chapter vs the San Jose chapter vs the Oakland chapter. The Dead (and their manager Rock Scully) knew about this and the various differences among chapters and should have been more involved. But they weren't. Then, at the festival itself, and this is critical, after arriving to perform in their alloted slot, the Grateful Dead, taking stock of the violence that had taken place up to that point, walked out on the event and left the premisis altogether, leaving a 2 hour gap before the Stones came on. The Dead, on their own home turf, with an audience that was their crowd, their people, bolted like cowards, fearing further violence. They could have had a soothing effect on the crowd if they'd performed. It may or may not have worked, but their unwillingness to try was reprehensible. They knew the Stones were now alone and didn't have the option of walking out. As bad as things were at the moment of the Dead's exit, there's no telling how much worse things might have degenerated had the Stones, too, walked out. The Grateful Dead's bailing essentially gave the message that the cared only about saving themselves. They didn't care about the state of affairs at Altamont. They didn't care about the pile of crap they were handing the Stones, leaving them to hold the bag when the time came to find blame for a festival gone awry. If this concert had been in London, on the Stones' home turf, and they had walked out on the Grateful Dead under similar circumstances, nobody would have hesitated to blame the Stones for chickening out, and rightfully so. Well, at Altamont, this is what the Grateful Dead did. Have they ever answered for this? Have any of their fellow California musicians that performed that day ever answered the question about the impact of the bailing by the Grateful Dead? These other bands all bailed themselves, but at least they performed. In the end, The Grateful Dead high-tailed it out of Altamont to save their own skins, the Stones be damned and the rest of the crowd as well.
Great Post,and Spot on
What, specifically, would you have had the Grateful Dead do?
@@KarlKrogmann I think he made it clear: follow through with the concert they agreed to do! Damn, do you need a picture drawn with crayons??
@@jrcwwl The fuck is your problem, kid.
Thank you for reminding and clarifying with everyone that THE STONES WERE NOT TO BLAME❤️ it was 1969 for crying out loud🤯
Some of the best info about Altamont can be found in the books by Sam Cutler, the Stones tour manager at the time and the voice that announces “The greatest rock and roll band in the world, The Rolling Stones,” on the Ya Ya’s album, Ethan Russell coffee table size photo book, and by Joel Selvin, and Selvin’s book is one of the best of all the books on Altamont.
The end of 1960’s peace and love ended in December 6, 1969 at the Rolling Stone’s free concert at Altamont
People complained about 5$ concerts now there people paying a few 1000$s
I wouldn’t pay $1 to watch anyone live 😂
I don’t like crowds
I'd love to go to a 5 dollar concert
The Rolling Stones had already used 50 Hells Angels to guard the stage on July 5th 1969 at their Hyde Park free concert in England and without any problems worth mentioning.
Not the same violent group that they are over here.
A generic watered down version of The Hells Angels.
That was England, not America.
THANK you so much For Streaming 👍🏼
It was Rock Scully Grateful Dead manager at the time that hooked up the ha for security
This is this history as I've read.🎉
Jerry Garcia gave them the peace sign and left after recommending the Hells Angels 🤣
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The story from what I saw on a History Channel documentary about this was that the Hells Angels felt pissed that Jagger didn’t pay them $50,000 for the concert fiasco which is why they wanted to kill him. After the failed boat assassination attempt, Jagger just decided to pay them the money.
Butch was Clarence Addie “Butch” Crouch. A founding member of the Bandidos and a long standing member of the Cleveland chapter of the Hells Angels. One of the Dirty Thirty (a group of Angels that rumbled with the Breed MC at the Polish Womens Hall in 1971).
His claims can’t be verified.
He went into witsec along with his family.
For the full story I highly suggest listening to the podcast called, Relative Unknown by his daughter Jackee. Compelling stuff.
Butch, who was going under the name Paul Dome ended up unaliving his wife and stepson along with himself in Texas in 2013.
_"Unaliving"_ huh?
Good one
@@purdyboi8078 if I would have used the proper word my comment would have been removed and RUclips would have threatened me with a ban. It’s already happened to me once.
The hells angels liked being paid with beer, what a laugh, who was the dummy who suggested that, angels on beer would be like angels as retards.
Ive been to a few of festivals in the 2000s that have a biker club for security and they can be really unfriendly.
I never heard of this before. Interesting stuff 👍🏻
From David A.Wood: Nice video as I am a diehard Rolling Stones fan. Additionally, I have heard of the infamous 1969 Altamont Speedway incident ever since August 1979 when I was fifteen-years-old. Therefore it is really nice the information on that crime totally discussed in full detail. Thanks and have a nice day (Monday, December 11, 2023).
The stones shouldn't have trusted the hells angels no matter what anyone/band/band manger. They live to ride, party, and put fear out in the world..smh.. bloody hell man. I understand why the Beatles didn't want to tour anymore, too much bullshit can go on.
The Hells Angels were acquitted of all charges the guy pulled a knife and the Hells Angels took care of business.
@@camronbay1they had to stop him and by the way, the crowds as the angels were just as high strung out and rowdy
@@LindaMerchant-bq2hp I think the live version of sympathy for the devil is amazing.
Wasn’t it the Dead who hired or at least referred the HA? Maybe I’m just confusing the fact that the Dead was chummy with them for a little while. Their shared love of a wide array of drugs, and the HA’s connections, I’m sure they got on swimmingly 😝
@camronbay1 that was bullshit, the guy was protecting himself against the fucking wanker angels, they were the one's who started all the trouble.
It's rumored that Mick Jagger made a substantial payment to the Hell's Angels to call off the green light ⁉️
It is True.
Music and poetry are supposed to cause the opposite of war and violence
With a song like 'sympathy for the devil' , I hardly believe anything of peace and love was the objective.
That's not how it happened, did you even see the video? The guy in the green suit was approaching the stage with the gun in his hand after being blocked from climbing on the stage, not that I'm defending the bikers , gangs are bad mkay
Excuse you, sir, it’s a club.
I think it's funny that people are shocked 1%ers got wild, i mean what else were they expecting? Lol
Well the angels were wild, especially wanting payment with beer, what a laugh, angels drunk are like angels as retards.
Clumsy Hell's Angels move in silence. 💀
It's the 60s, peace and love! Why hire security 😂
And the Tickets to a Stones concert are still expensive in 2024
I read somewhere that the Stones paid off the Angels to take the hit off. Is that right ?
THERE WERE 5000 DOLLARS OF BEERS ON THE WALL, 5000 DOLLARS OF BEER !
seriously, what did they think would happen, a jolly old drunken singsong ? we think's not, hahaha...
It sounds like the problem was people not being able to handle thier shit, not the Hells Angels.
Actually their last US tour was three years previously not five.
Because the concert was not in San Francisco so the hells angels chapter was from Oakland and LA totally not the same chapter as the hippies of San Francisco. There was no assassination attempt that is just pure bs.
WRONG. FRisco Angels were there as well; you can clearly see Frisco patches on the front of the rockers in some of the guys in the video. And if you think Frisco HA are any less ruthless, than Oakland or other charters, well then, you're just an ignorant wretch.
The Angels contend that Meriidieth Hunter threatened to kill Mick Jagger
The 60s were coming to a close woodstock then altamont the stones final leg of their 69 tour it seemed in a sad note that era ended with the Altamont and charles Manson tragedy on success of the historic moon landing
5 bucks for a ticket, ha ha, even then...hell man, that dude would be shittin' his pants if he had to buy a taylor ticket right now. Thank god I was in my concert heyday in the early 90's when they were still only 30. My kid still's never been to one, and probably never will due to the 500 price tags.
Pink Floyd Division Bell tour is when the tickets started to inflate
They’re going on tour without the drummer, because… Well, he’s dead
The Grateful Dead, We're Gone.
It was the San Jose chapter of the angels btw not sf my grandpa is in that pic on stage he was a ha
What a laugh, the angels capsized in the water when a storm rolled in, dummies, must have been pissed as retards.
!983 minus 1979 = 4 years. A decade is 10 years. How is four years "decades"?
No 1, don't hire the HA to a poorly organised event.
2) Don't pull a gun on the HA....he probably would have took a beating, you pull a gun and that's a direct threat of murder on the HA that's not going to end well for you.
3) The stones were and are absolute wankers, they bit off more than they could chew.
Murder is indeed awful but come on man it was so shoddily organised with so many oversights it's hardly surprising is it?
Personally I believe the Stones and management were partly culpable for some fricking shocking decisions
Mick was punched before the concert, not during.
This was an unfortunate incident. The young man should have left when his girlfriend asked him to. You don’t use drugs and try to climb on stage especially carrying a weapon. Hells Angels are a gang, they’re not police or trained security. Could they have subdued him, took away the weapon and escorted him out of the venue? Yes, but they are a gang, and they do not handle situations with that rationale, they are violent. As Chrissie Hynde stated in her biography, she made the fateful mistake of going off with some motorcycle gang for free drugs (don’t recall if it was the Hells Angels) and she was gang raped. This cheap venue should have provided proper security. That’s not to say this young man wouldn’t have died because he pulled out a gun, but perhaps qualified professionals could have taken him down without overkill, and had him arrested.
ANDY WARHOL a tiny blonde weird artist NOPED the hells angels… Shit THAT is funny… got armed guards with automatic weapons on a compound in the Hamptons… Andy WARhol gangsta gangsta gangsta
ANDY WARHAWGWILD
Comparing angels to the Mafia, what a joke, the Mafia would walk over any hells angels.
The last time Mick mattered
yeah, right.
Its was 5 not 4 dead
Blame is event planning
The put the stage even to the audience
It would happen no matter what year
1969
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Respect H.A. and don't mess with them! If you show them Respect they will leave you alone but if you diss them. ..there is NO WHERE TO RUN! THESE ARE MEN! NOT BOYS!
they're dangerous children.
@@plasticweapon They are not children, they are men.
@@jasonjaxxson they're children. and psychopaths.
@plasticweapon Well let the record state, those are your words not mine
@@jasonjaxxson are you drunk?
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So basically the hells angels were used as a scapegoat. I don’t blame them at all for their actions.
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This happened like 50 years ago btw.
This was this past Tuesday thru Sunday actually
@@JustTryingToRUclipsthey make it seem like it just happened with clickbait titles. It happened in 1969 after Woodstock.
Weren't you paying attention ? Did you just learn that the 1960's was 50 years ago ? Does this surprised you bud??? Were you bad in math and history or something ? Are you in grade school? Are you DAFT MAN !!!?
Did you ride the "yellow bus"?
Altamont was on Saturday 6 December 1969. Today is 5 November 2024.
Altamont was nearly 45 years ago.