The Infamously BAD Mortal Kombat 9 Strategy Guide

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024

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  • @PNDKM
    @PNDKM  3 года назад +719

    The only bad thing to ever come out of MK9

    • @twinkpeaks9993
      @twinkpeaks9993 3 года назад +57

      and Sheeva's 'outfit'

    • @Stinkyremy
      @Stinkyremy 3 года назад +22

      TBH frame data is not needed at all!
      Fighting games are as simple as "this moves beats that move" or "this move starts up quicker than that move finishes" as a type of paper, scissor, rock mechanic.
      If you doubt it, look how long street fighter has been around or tekken with no in game reference for frame data
      You and I have probably been playing these games since the 90s or 80s and this stuff comes natural just by playing the genre. Like how you learn neutral or footsies by playing without ever even needing to hear these words let alone understanding the concepts!
      I personally play by feeling.
      Similar that there is no need to "lab" you just learn by trial and error, win and loss.
      it is a computer game after all, it is meant to be fun entertainment not PHD levels of memory retention of frame data.

    • @doglopmaz
      @doglopmaz 3 года назад +78

      @@Stinkyremy pffff this is trol, rigth?

    • @doglopmaz
      @doglopmaz 3 года назад +23

      @@Stinkyremy footsies and so are important but frame data is as important

    • @Stinkyremy
      @Stinkyremy 3 года назад +10

      @@doglopmaz It really is not. Do you really need to know the frame data of a feirce hadoken to pull it off and then see the spacing and timing you need to be able to use it on block and be safe from the opponents attacks.
      If you do....git gud
      It would only take 1 or 2 mistakes for someone with average intelligence to learn how to use the move effectively.
      And that is just a microcosm of a scenario that parallels in all fighting games.

  • @wixelpix
    @wixelpix 3 года назад +1727

    I used to buy guides for games I didn't even own, because I just enjoyed reading them at school. Some of them had cool art in the back too.

    • @foremanmvyers
      @foremanmvyers 3 года назад +32

      i would buy them for games i’d rent often

    • @BootySweat4491
      @BootySweat4491 3 года назад +47

      Same. I used to love using the art to practice my own drawing.

    • @MrBruceHerrera
      @MrBruceHerrera 3 года назад +11

      Same for game magazines

    • @i_am_dementia9926
      @i_am_dementia9926 3 года назад +14

      I still try to buy guides. They were a huge part of my gaming experience. Next to cheat codes aha

    • @Bug582
      @Bug582 3 года назад +21

      Dude some game guides are straight up a part of my childhood. The biggest one for me was for the donkey kong country 2's guide. It was made by Nintendo too, so the quality was therr

  • @Deleted_Alt
    @Deleted_Alt 3 года назад +1249

    Prima guide: Balance patches mean we can't give you frame data as it could be outdated quickly
    Also Prima guide: HERE'S A FUCKING DAY ZERO TIER LIST

    • @mysticspark2694
      @mysticspark2694 3 года назад +45

      Why would there be a day zero tier list? Everyone who wants to play it competitively would be practicing not be at a tournament day of release.

    • @esn_64
      @esn_64 3 года назад +24

      @@mysticspark2694 nowadays? For internet clout

    • @Rad-Dude63andathird
      @Rad-Dude63andathird 3 года назад +3

      @@esn_64 yeah but what about in 2011?

    • @esn_64
      @esn_64 3 года назад +48

      @@Rad-Dude63andathird originally for discussion, than it quickly became a way to ban characters at a friend’s house because “look this guy is super cheap and it’s not because i suck so don’t play him”

    • @BarackLesnar
      @BarackLesnar 3 года назад +3

      We wouldn't want them to have to finish testing and balancing their game before they sell it to us

  • @agnastthrower5212
    @agnastthrower5212 3 года назад +386

    Back when MK Armageddon came out, I got the guide for it and immediately started noticing inaccuracies with the Konquest Kollectibles. I wrote Midway a letter addressed to Ed Boon himself telling him about the misinformation in it. Imagine my surprise when I actually got a hand signed letter from Boon thanking me for my support as a fan and for letting him know about the guide's incorrect info. Sadly the letter has been lost over the years :(

    • @mojojojo560
      @mojojojo560 2 года назад +50

      But the memory remains, and that’s all the matters. Thanks for sharing!

    • @misterbeatzit
      @misterbeatzit 2 года назад +24

      I still own that guide... I remember being SO confused by the UMK3 section, when the guide straight up says it is in the game, without mentioning it's only in the deluxe 2 disc version. I became convinced you had to 100% Konquest to unlock it... imagine my disappointment when I still didn't have UMK3 lol. I also distinctly remember some kharacters having no pictures in their little writeup, Goro being one. In place of an image, there's text that just says "goro.jpg"

    • @TrueDTBreezy
      @TrueDTBreezy 2 года назад +1

      Out of curiosity, how old were you at the time?

    • @donkeydarko77
      @donkeydarko77 2 года назад

      This didn't happen.

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 2 года назад +27

      @@donkeydarko77 Translation: "I'm jealous, so in order to soothe my fragile ego, I've decided to publicly announce that I don't believe you in the pettiest language possible, thus revealing my insecurities to the world."

  • @June8bit
    @June8bit 3 года назад +753

    Fun Fact: A lot of the movelist was either given to the wrong character or just straight up wrong. Prima actually had to send out info cards to people that purchased the guide with the correct movelist free of charge.

  • @RST_Omega
    @RST_Omega 3 года назад +642

    Seeing ketchup's glasses be wonky because they got caught in the headphones is the most relatable piece of content I've seen on this platform

    • @PNDKM
      @PNDKM  3 года назад +138

      without fail

    • @toshiroyamada2443
      @toshiroyamada2443 3 года назад +2

      So they were wonky I thought my eyes were playing tricks

    • @MrColoradoKush
      @MrColoradoKush 3 года назад +1

      His glasses always look like that though

    • @justsayin._.
      @justsayin._. 2 года назад

      That's sad. Lol

  • @SkylerA
    @SkylerA 3 года назад +296

    "Due to the shifting nature of game development, we couldn't possibly provide frame data which could change. Now please enjoy our MU and game meta tips taken from day 0 of a fighting game!"

  • @KaminariKitsune0
    @KaminariKitsune0 3 года назад +273

    Many arguments between me and my friends were started cause of this guide! In the first few weeks my sister was a Sonya main and if I remember right the guide had a fairly negative opinion of her despite being decidedly top teir in the community. She would stomp all my friends that thought Shang Tsung was the ez win character.

    • @PNDKM
      @PNDKM  3 года назад +133

      Kabal is barely covered too which is ironic as Kabal was one of the most slept on characters in the game until it was too late

    • @Fedor_Shtykov
      @Fedor_Shtykov 3 года назад +29

      @@PNDKM, in my opinion, Kabal was, is and will always be one of the top tier character.

    • @trancandy1
      @trancandy1 3 года назад +28

      @@Fedor_Shtykov it's pretty unanimous that he's #1. he literally has 0 losing matchups

    • @tbone2416
      @tbone2416 3 года назад +9

      @@trancandy1 Sheeva is top 1 smh. Noobs

    • @speedypichu6833
      @speedypichu6833 2 года назад +2

      @@Fedor_Shtykov he’s like that in MK3 too, and he’s also just good in a lot of games

  • @Harmonic14
    @Harmonic14 3 года назад +259

    It blows my mind that they didn't just include a disclaimer saying that the frame data and damage were on X version of the game and are subject to change based on future balancing patches

    • @DiamondDust132
      @DiamondDust132 3 года назад +57

      Probably because your idea actually makes sense, and that obviously wasn't the goal.

    • @Harry-et7dc
      @Harry-et7dc 2 года назад +12

      @@DiamondDust132 if you think about it, it was probably a mixture of laziness, misplaced confidence and not taking the game very seriously. they they talked about matchups and the reasoning for it sounds like they thought they knew what they were talking about but upone further inspection they weren't even in the right ballpark

    • @dazzledazz123
      @dazzledazz123 2 года назад +1

      They were lazy, simply as that

    • @D00M3R_MAVS
      @D00M3R_MAVS 2 года назад

      they probably didn't have the info. this was clearly written by hacks.

  • @PutnamentalAnimation
    @PutnamentalAnimation 3 года назад +579

    Lmao. Reminds me of the old Smash Bros Brawl Prima Strategy Guide that said that Meta Knight was a weak 6/10 character.

    • @bandawin18
      @bandawin18 3 года назад +79

      Little did they know he was an unholy monster in the competitive scene

    • @overlordkujo
      @overlordkujo 3 года назад +142

      The original Smash Bros. guide by Bradygames just has legitimately incorrect basic info about characters. Reading it now... Page 90 "Never press Down B with Jigglypuff. Just don't. Jigglypuff will fall asleep. What this move has to do with fighting, we'll never know. Don't say we didn't warn you." In addition to that, they never detail the differences between Mario and Luigi, actually saying he's just a pallet swap with a bigger hurtbox. Apart from that, the book offers spartan details to say the least. Nothing even coming close to matchups, or even listing the damage moves do. I could have sworn there was an erroneous screenshot for a character on top of everything else, but can't find it again after 3 readthroughs.

    • @G_Gr00v3
      @G_Gr00v3 3 года назад +7

      Holy shoot I remember that!

    • @Kiyosuki
      @Kiyosuki 3 года назад +24

      Yikes. The Primo guide for Brawl and Melee respectively are definitely two big examples that immediately come to mind for me when talking about bad strategy guides.

    • @DDSForbbiden
      @DDSForbbiden 3 года назад +2

      *Bruh*

  • @verybrownsalmon
    @verybrownsalmon 3 года назад +73

    I like how book creators have said, that “damage and frame data would become outdated”, but day 1 tier list and MU chart apparently not)

  • @Reshyrah
    @Reshyrah 3 года назад +47

    On the night of Mk 9's release I got this strategy guide, Scorpion and Sub-Zero figures, a free t-shirt and the Mortal Kombat movie on DVD. Best night of my life. 💗

    • @brookswilliams5239
      @brookswilliams5239 3 года назад +9

      Same!!! You know that the Scorpion and Sub-Zero figures double as a bookstand right?

    • @Reshyrah
      @Reshyrah 3 года назад +8

      @@brookswilliams5239 Totally! I used them to prop up my game collection at the time.

  • @nurse425
    @nurse425 3 года назад +83

    The "Strategy" Guide that actually made you a WORSE player if you followed it, LOL!
    Other players on the tournament scene see you carrying that around, thinking:
    "OH GOD, I hope I get matched up with THAT guy"!

  • @LtheOriginal
    @LtheOriginal 3 года назад +125

    I'm surprised they didn't say "Raiden is the best, because he's literally a God."

  • @syckles
    @syckles 3 года назад +114

    Have to say, despite this book's flaws, its a treasure of mine. Its a handsome hardback, and looks great in any Mortal Kombat collection. The art and extras are enough to makeup for the useless info.

    • @TheRealRaditz9001
      @TheRealRaditz9001 3 года назад +17

      That is a very interesting perspective

    • @yessum15
      @yessum15 3 года назад +11

      @@TheRealRaditz9001 I applaud your restraint.

    • @Alex_Logan22
      @Alex_Logan22 3 года назад +5

      Agreed, it’s a premium item.

    • @MaskedGuyCh
      @MaskedGuyCh Год назад +3

      One man's trash is another man's treasure

  • @AlriikRidesAgain
    @AlriikRidesAgain 3 года назад +45

    God, I think I owned that? Is that why my one cheap friend kept trying to make Nightwolf work? Because he was 'meta'?

    • @kylenguyen7371
      @kylenguyen7371 3 года назад +3

      Quite possible, plus his reflector did manage to invalidate some of the zoning options available.

    • @tbone2416
      @tbone2416 3 года назад +4

      Eh to be fair everyone was busted so you can't really blame him for trying to make nightwolf good,guide or no guide.

  • @rdxgamer1772
    @rdxgamer1772 3 года назад +177

    Fun fact the special move inputs and fatalitys were inside of the instruction manual for MK1

    • @celestialdragonlord5004
      @celestialdragonlord5004 3 года назад +7

      Well dam

    • @rdxgamer1772
      @rdxgamer1772 3 года назад +26

      @@celestialdragonlord5004 i know this cause i still have my copy with the manual with it

    • @Stinkyremy
      @Stinkyremy 3 года назад +6

      Never seen the instruction manual I think I just had the raw cartridge but i had a cheat magazine that gave me them all

    • @blyat8832
      @blyat8832 3 года назад +12

      My copy of the cartridge was from a friend, so I never got to see the inputs. You can't imagine how long it took me to learn every move and fatality lol

    • @experimento6262
      @experimento6262 3 года назад +2

      @@Stinkyremy cartridge? Wasn' t this on disc?

  • @konradfun
    @konradfun 3 года назад +26

    MY MK9 strategy guide JUST came in the mail like 20 minutes ago from eBay and THIS video comes out. WTF

    • @blyat8832
      @blyat8832 3 года назад +5

      *cue the dead meme x files theme*

    • @makidiaz3894
      @makidiaz3894 3 года назад

      RUclips tells creators what to make based on algorithms

    • @phoenixero8161
      @phoenixero8161 3 года назад

      @@makidiaz3894 excuse me

    • @soulpuzzle8544
      @soulpuzzle8544 3 года назад

      you buy a game now?

  • @MrMiketastic
    @MrMiketastic 3 года назад +46

    The F-bomb at 7:17 from Ketchup was more than enough to tell me how abysmal this guide was. O_O

  • @JanjoZone
    @JanjoZone 3 года назад +49

    iirc it also had wrong inputs for some fatalities. But I do remember that you could email the company that you bought the guide and they actually sent you these big cards that had movelists on them. Still have mine!

    • @ronweaslee7065
      @ronweaslee7065 3 года назад +2

      Were they bits you could tear off from the book, like a poster? I think I have those bits in my guide, and I bought it at an Electronics store. Interesting!
      Otherwise it could have been a later version of MK9s guide, idk.

    • @aramondehasashi3324
      @aramondehasashi3324 3 года назад +7

      I bought mine a little after release and it came with those cards so they must've started including them lol.

  • @Clonekiller66
    @Clonekiller66 2 года назад +8

    The most frustrating part of this game. Is that the guide implies that it's writers *had* the frame data information available to them and they didn't use it.

  • @bloodshed1980
    @bloodshed1980 3 года назад +12

    The entire goal for strategy guides quickly became filling up pages to make them look as informative as possible.

  • @bmann14k
    @bmann14k 3 года назад +8

    Final Fantasy 9 Official guide literally tells you to go online to figure out stuff. The actual book tells you to just go online

    • @David-ln8qh
      @David-ln8qh 2 года назад +2

      Best strategy a physical book could ever give you about a modern video game.

  • @VerifiedPunisher
    @VerifiedPunisher 3 года назад +59

    It's kind of ironic that they avoided frame data and damage to "avoid being outdated by NRS patches", then they add a pre release tier list in the same book 🙃

    • @MrShanester117
      @MrShanester117 3 года назад +7

      Yeah you’re like the 300th person to mention that

  • @harrygooch5658
    @harrygooch5658 3 года назад +21

    I just realized that mk9 is 10 years old... I feel so oldd

    • @victoracosta4796
      @victoracosta4796 3 года назад +5

      I remembered when this came out and saw the gameplay on RUclips. The sexy outfits and the goriness of the Fatalities blew my 10 year old mind. And that’s how I got into Mortal Kombat.

    • @soulpuzzle8544
      @soulpuzzle8544 3 года назад

      @@victoracosta4796Damn
      10 year old playing +18 game

    • @victoracosta4796
      @victoracosta4796 3 года назад

      @@soulpuzzle8544 I wish. I've never gotten to play an MK game because I've been broke most of my life.

  • @AmeLilith
    @AmeLilith 3 года назад +23

    This reminds me of the Super Smash Bros. 64 strategy guide which spent Jigglypuff's section talking about how 'worthless' she is, about how she was probably put into the game as a 'joke' and how you shouldn't pick her if you expect to win...because NONE of the people involved in the guide figured out how to use her Rest move.
    They literally say all it does is make you fall asleep and leave you open to attack and it's used as an example for how much of a 'joke character' she is.

    • @davisbowe8668
      @davisbowe8668 2 года назад

      I mean, they're not wrong.

    • @BobTheB0SS
      @BobTheB0SS 2 года назад +3

      @@davisbowe8668 Rest is one of the best high risk high reward moves in the game. Stop the nonsense

    • @aareno9116
      @aareno9116 2 года назад

      @@davisbowe8668 tell that to Hbox

    • @Maximum432
      @Maximum432 2 года назад

      Some of these companies are paying unqualified morons to write guides.

  • @daddysaso
    @daddysaso 3 года назад +47

    I was REALLY hoping you were going to show their tier list 😂

  • @kylenguyen7371
    @kylenguyen7371 3 года назад +21

    As I mentioned in a community post, I have this guide and picked it up on launch. Despite the flaws Ketchup points out, the guide did have some useful tips (especially for some of the challenge tower floors). The character sections were not entirely useless, as it gave me some basic framework before I ever came to understand frame data.

  • @goosemobile8
    @goosemobile8 3 года назад +32

    This guide had tons of misprints as well. I think it was Liu Kang's section was just a copy of Kano's, and several of the character reference cards that came with the Collector's Edition guide were incorrect. They provided a .pdf of corrected reference cards and even those weren't 100% fixed. Ridiculous.

    • @AvisPraeda777
      @AvisPraeda777 10 месяцев назад

      Over time, the bigwig fatcats were like, "What if newer games are just as bad as the MK9 strategy guide?" "We can hype a game up, rush it out the door, and drag our feet when it comes to proper updates! Our customers will purchase it anyway!"

  • @Tony6Shot
    @Tony6Shot 3 года назад +8

    I remember the MKvDC guide being not great, too. Pictures were attached the wrong things (i.e. a Scorpion fatality was replaced by a duplicate of a Joker fatality), a couple inputs were flat-out wrong, and they gave no idea of how exactly to do the super moves. For those that don't remember, the special moves could be modified with an extra input at specific times during the move, allowing a stronger move to come out. That timing was different for every move, though, and the guide simply told you what the input was, not when to do it.

  • @TangerineAltoid
    @TangerineAltoid 3 года назад +11

    They'll leave out frame data because much of it will inevitably change, but add in a tier list?

  • @bronsontolliver9027
    @bronsontolliver9027 3 года назад +9

    The very first guide I ever owned was that classic Brady Games FF7 one with Cloud looking up at the first reactor.

    • @brookswilliams5239
      @brookswilliams5239 3 года назад +3

      I have that one,the FF9 one,this MK9 one,a few of the Batman Arkham ones,The Lego Marvel Superheroes one and sooooo many others lol but yeah that FF7 one was the first ever strategy guide that I bought for a game because that game was game-changing (pun intended) lol

    • @bronsontolliver9027
      @bronsontolliver9027 3 года назад +2

      @@brookswilliams5239 I remember picking up FF9 and the guide together at a midnight release.

  • @drakkenmensch
    @drakkenmensch 3 года назад +7

    "This is the last thing they'll expect!" If your friends don't expect a signature move from the character you're playing, *find better MK players.*

    • @squidward8125
      @squidward8125 2 года назад +2

      find new friends because they are bad at mk ?

  • @sladevalen2120
    @sladevalen2120 3 года назад +12

    I still remember having a soul calibur 2 guide back in the day and being blown away by all the details to moves in the character section so seeing this is a shame for mk fans

  • @ItzNugget095
    @ItzNugget095 3 года назад +17

    I had the Shaolin Monks guide back in the day!

  • @Neogears1312
    @Neogears1312 3 года назад +5

    Never forget the third strike guide that said bottom 2 twelve was a counter matchup to undisputed best character who could punish your projectile if it *hit* her, chun li.

  • @lenin17301560
    @lenin17301560 3 года назад +20

    I own that strategy guide ☹ never used it, but I still have it, it's kind of pretty. I also have the Scorpion harpooning Sub Zero mini statue.

    • @stevenramrodd1226
      @stevenramrodd1226 3 года назад

      You also still have you're virginity?

    • @gipsyg27
      @gipsyg27 3 года назад

      @@stevenramrodd1226 bruh

  • @FragmentJack
    @FragmentJack 3 года назад +10

    Yeah, the frame data and damage bit weren’t reasonable excuses. And that’s because players would learn all there is from day one and then they’d be able adjust to the new patches and settings came out. So I don’t see why they’d leave it out. They severely underestimate how many pro-players and others want that information from day one.

  • @just_2swift
    @just_2swift 3 года назад +28

    Low key I miss the old days. I remember my older brother made an a mk trilogy guide harry potter novel THICC.

    • @blyat8832
      @blyat8832 3 года назад +8

      Did he ever try to sell it? I'd love to read an mk guide as thicc as goblet of fire

    • @just_2swift
      @just_2swift 3 года назад +2

      @@blyat8832 idk Id have to ask him where is it. It was huge

    • @ronweaslee7065
      @ronweaslee7065 3 года назад +3

      @@just_2swift whoa, what? Thick just by adding his own notes of combos and stuff? I'll add the occasional paper in my strategy guides, but Harry Potter thick is impressive!

    • @just_2swift
      @just_2swift 3 года назад +6

      @@ronweaslee7065 he had one for killer instinct gold as well just not as THICC

    • @luciano_luna1941
      @luciano_luna1941 3 года назад +3

      @@just_2swift Upload a video of it pls!!

  • @anthonywise1989
    @anthonywise1989 3 года назад +7

    I had the soft back version and if i'm not mistaken they copied and pasted all of the text for Liu Kang's moves and combos onto Kano's page. It was not well edited.

  • @limitlessapocalypse2702
    @limitlessapocalypse2702 3 года назад +21

    “We have purposely left out character damage and frame data information...”
    How did you sell this on the market and not feel morally bankrupt NETHER?!

    • @sarowie
      @sarowie 3 года назад

      @Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte the game developers gave them early access to game and information. The game developers are responsible for an official guide to some extend. Note that there is no "official rule" that a game needs "an official guide" on like day one - or ever. If a studio can not find a guide writer that is competent: Just do not print one. You need the extra cash? Call it an art book. The art book has move list but no frame data? No problem.

  • @nocturneprividyenie2391
    @nocturneprividyenie2391 3 года назад +12

    I remember that guide. At the gameshop I used to go to, that thing cost about 40 dollars. Or... under 29 quid.
    I feel bad for anyone who spent THAT much money on such a worthless guide.

    • @lmcgregoruk
      @lmcgregoruk 2 года назад +3

      I never really understood "Strategy Guides", I mean they seemed to cost AT LEAST 1/3rd the price of the actual game, and as far as I could tell, pretty much everything was either covered in the game manual/in game data or was in gaming magazines of the time, along with similar stuff for OTHER GAMES in the same gaming magazine.

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 2 года назад

      @@lmcgregoruk The stuff in the gaming magazines tended to be scattered across multiple issues, and if you were stuck with an issue that had barely anything -- or worse, _nothing_ -- on the game you're interested in, your monthly subscription was money in the toilet. The only exception were 'special issues' that hyperfocused on one game, but finding those was a matter of either having already blown a bunch of cash on a subscription that is only relevant some of the time, or religiously scanning the magazine racks in the stores.
      Strategy guides, on the other hand, are guaranteed to focus solely on the game they're for, and regularly have extra tidbits relevant to the game you're playing, or go into far more detail. I never would've completed Majora's Mask 100% if I was running off of the occasional Nintendo Power blurb about it, the guide I had for it went through each area step-by-step, with relevant example screenshots for more convoluted steps and cross-referenced maps throughout each area's walkthrough.
      TL;DR Magazines for breadth, Guides for depth.

    • @lmcgregoruk
      @lmcgregoruk 2 года назад

      @@CoralCopperHead Well to be honest, I never really had a subscription to any gaming magazine, I generally just used to buy them for the demo "cassettes"/"CDs" First for the ZX Spectrum when you got occasional free games on them, then with PC-Based magazines when they shoved a ton of MS-DOS demo's on CD-ROM, since they could fit a lot more on, than they could on the previous floppy disk coverdisks. I did have a bunch of friends that had magazine subscriptions though. I mean if the guide is in-depth then sure, but I've seen "guides" in shops that look really thin.

  • @Hattori75
    @Hattori75 3 года назад +7

    If I remember correctly the MvC3 guide had the same issue.

  • @Alex_Logan22
    @Alex_Logan22 3 года назад +9

    I was very happy with it as a casual fan, getting it for the same reasons one would’ve gotten 90s pre-competitive guides. Thank god I wasn’t a competitor, and I’m guessing this competitive frustration is what led NRS to including in-game frame/damage data.

    • @romajimamulo
      @romajimamulo 9 месяцев назад

      I mean also, the fact that patches do change those things means that guides were now able to become out of date.
      Also people would just post them online anyway and it's far more helpful in game

  • @discounthero9972
    @discounthero9972 11 месяцев назад +3

    The biggest red flag was calling them Warriors and not Kombatants.

  • @YadonTheCat
    @YadonTheCat 3 года назад +3

    Was playing Doom while starting this vid, so the music had me confused

  • @BiscuitHead22
    @BiscuitHead22 3 года назад +7

    Ermac finds Prima's lack of faith disturbing.

  • @Jotamide
    @Jotamide 3 года назад +6

    5:32 It kills me that at the time, Japan had been getting Gamest Mooks full of technical data and strategies while fighting game guides in the West pulled stuff like this. These days however, getting any form of official frame data is rare, unless you're Tekken and buy the DLC...

  • @ninjadude17
    @ninjadude17 3 года назад +6

    I've never seen him THIS angry. That's how you know it was bad.

  • @Break531
    @Break531 3 года назад +4

    I can imagine a much younger Ryan and Jake reading the guide for the first time and being absolutely livid.

  • @ill_hex8103
    @ill_hex8103 11 месяцев назад +1

    They dropped the ball hard with not making a community-centered board that can provide updating news on the patch changes and having the community itself contribute for tier lists.
    They can still make the strategy guide, just leave-in the frame data, hitboxes/hurtboxes, etc. (they usually don't change that much after launch anyway), and leave a url for the website. Or better yet, try to get the manual to reference the website, save money on printing paper, and leave all the information online.

  • @no64256
    @no64256 3 года назад +1

    So basically, the intro was written by passionate dedicated fans with a strong love of the franchise and it's history...
    And the actual guide part was written by 10 year-olds who can't figure out counterplay/flowchart Ken-s

  • @Nuh1Uh1No1Way
    @Nuh1Uh1No1Way 3 года назад +6

    "Scorpion knows about the flames"

  • @dogmechanix
    @dogmechanix 2 года назад +1

    Feels like people in 2050 are gonna be saying how the internet basically didn't exist before 2040 and we had to rely on oral tradition amd cave drawings to get video ge strategy guides. For anyone who wasn't alive in the 90s, yes, we had walkthroughs and guides on the full fledged internent back then

  • @raccooncityhunk497
    @raccooncityhunk497 3 года назад +2

    Felt like it took an eternity to get to the actual strategy guide

    • @PNDKM
      @PNDKM  3 года назад

      Approx. 1:30 minutes

  • @thelastmotel
    @thelastmotel 3 года назад +5

    We used to call 'em "tragedy guides" back in the day, as most of them, regardless of title or genre, were sucker traps.

    • @curtisjackson4090
      @curtisjackson4090 3 года назад +2

      Facts... 💯. And for me and others back then, I actually opposed getting them since it would diminish my joy / money in getting and enjoying the game

    • @thelastmotel
      @thelastmotel 3 года назад +1

      @@curtisjackson4090 Exactly! Spending more money to get less time with a game always seemed nuts to me.

  • @Dctctx
    @Dctctx 3 месяца назад +1

    I thought the bad mic quality was the worst part, then I noticed that god awful piercing

  • @deadstarr7
    @deadstarr7 3 года назад +4

    the real problem is that nrs released this knowing full well it would be worthless/obsolete because the very much knew there would be dlc characters on the way just so they could make extra money from their fan base while basically slapping them in the face.

  • @KyserClark
    @KyserClark 3 года назад +7

    I used that guide and memorized the "expert" combos for my characters and I thought I was god like because I could pull them off consistently. They weren't even optimal damage. I also thought Shang Tsung was the undisputed champ of the game because of that guide lol.
    It was nice to be able and go online with some decent damage combos though. Other than that the guide was useless. Maybe if the game had frame data I would have learned about frame data three years earlier. I didn't even know what frame data was until right before MKX came out lol.

  • @TheSpartanMoose2453
    @TheSpartanMoose2453 3 года назад +2

    I'm not even close to being a competitive player and I remember being super disappointed by this guide.

  • @Pedalbored
    @Pedalbored 3 года назад +4

    StarCraft Strategy Guide said the counter to Dragoons is Dragoons. Last one I bought was for Diablo 3. I regret nothing!

  • @Oilyoxygen
    @Oilyoxygen Год назад +1

    Miraculous that they thought framedata would be less future proof than a tier list.

  • @pilot3605
    @pilot3605 3 года назад +5

    The only book guides I ever had were for Kingdom Hearts 2 and New Vegas, and those were really good, solid advice from beginning to end for both games . The MK9 one really sounds abysmal tho

  • @Vasparoza
    @Vasparoza 3 года назад

    1:55 speaking of that, the original Rainbow six siege guide is pretty much useless today because most solders, items and maps have been reworked and drastically changed.

  • @zachiswayposi1
    @zachiswayposi1 2 года назад +1

    Wild that Tom Brady took time off from being the best quarterback of time to become a competitive MK player

  • @s13gaming72
    @s13gaming72 3 года назад +3

    I remember having like 5 guides each for Mk2, 3, and U3. And each one had different fatality inputs and were wrong about so much. That MK9 guide looks so good on the outside and I loved the history information but, like you pointed out, those screenshots are so huge and distracting that I barely used the guide. It makes me wish I could go back 10 years with a decent guide and have more fun.
    I never liked Prima guides though. I found BradyGames to be the most useful.

  • @Strizz484
    @Strizz484 3 года назад +17

    He speaks the truth, it was atrocious on every level. The Japanese mook books, UMVC3 Official Guide and Versus Books SFA2 Perfect Guide to this day still stand as the best fighting game guides ever made, imo

    • @mostverticalproductions4808
      @mostverticalproductions4808 3 года назад +7

      I have the Last Blade Gamest mook, and it's incredible. Every single move is brought up, the frame data, what can and can't cancel, BnBs, and even matchup details. I can't read Japanese but you can at least understand what it's implying.

  • @calamorta
    @calamorta Год назад +1

    It sounds like a guide I, a terrible fighting game player, would make. Insane how these people got paid to make this.

  • @ApophisNow_
    @ApophisNow_ 3 года назад +9

    Nice E1M2 background music.

  • @foxymanaic5934
    @foxymanaic5934 3 года назад +11

    I can already tell that this is going to be an interesting video. Good video idea Ketchup

  • @NeroWolf42
    @NeroWolf42 3 года назад +4

    love that classic doom music in the background

  • @irr3isont1Lt
    @irr3isont1Lt 3 года назад +1

    I still have the Official MK3 Guide, and the Official Killer Instinct Guide and loved it

  • @curtisjackson4090
    @curtisjackson4090 3 года назад +2

    Why didn't NRS just PUT the frame data in the game it's self??
    It clear that exclusion of the frame data from the guide was deliberate... moreso, NRS explicitly keeping the info from the writers (thus the consumers) making the guide.
    Edit:
    *fearing > Mike Fahey*
    4/25/11 12:48pm
    _I remember one of the previousl 3D Mortal Kombat game guides was from Brady and it didn't even include any of the secret characters much less moves lists for them or anything. I brought it up later that year at the Brady session at our manager's conference for GameStop when they wanted some constructive criticism. They said that was completely on the Mortal Kombat developers. They weren't proud of that guide because there was a lot of things the MK developers did not allow to be put in the game. Perhaps that's why Prima's doing their guide now? Wonder if that has anything (clearly not everything from some of those mistakes) to do with the suckiness of this guide as well?_

  • @yep_itsmeagain
    @yep_itsmeagain 2 года назад

    If I remember correctly Prima was putting out a ton of bad guide books during this specific time period. I remember someone make a video on how bad the Prima Skyrim book was. They always had the excuse that they were "future proofing the book as updates change everything" but they didn't even do a good job with the base game. This was probably their low point.

  • @elistiagel642
    @elistiagel642 3 года назад

    I have just realized a physical published book (made with paper and can be hold in hand) is not really suited for game that still receiving balance patches.
    These "old fashion" kind of books need a lot of time to develop, time spent on writing, editing, printing, delivering etc..
    It isn't like Dustloop, Mizumi wiki pages that can receives on-date changes as soon as someone in the community edit them.
    These physical book took so long to develop, by the time it came out, the information has probably become outdated.

  • @JediPeaceWalker
    @JediPeaceWalker 3 года назад +2

    Reminds me of the UMK3 pocket guide that's missing a lot of codes and all brutalities for the consoles.

    • @Reshyrah
      @Reshyrah 3 года назад

      Wow! I hadn't thought about that book in ages ☺️

  • @nicholausstevens1262
    @nicholausstevens1262 3 года назад +7

    I was just playing mk9 using smoke. Best game imo.

    • @Vegitodraws
      @Vegitodraws 3 года назад +2

      Smoke is so fun in MK9

    • @grannywalter
      @grannywalter 3 года назад

      Smoke FTW!!! Mk9 is still the best game in the franchise imo

    • @nicholausstevens1262
      @nicholausstevens1262 3 года назад +1

      @@grannywalter it is the best. Gameplay wise.

  • @Silanda
    @Silanda 3 года назад +2

    I think most western fighting game guides of the time were like that MK Gold one: move lists, maybe some combos, but that was about it. Some of the Japanese guides were much better. A special shoutout to the Bradygames MKT guide which had some errors and was missing characters and secrets. I can only assume that it was based on a beta version quite a way out from release. You could find the missing stuff on their website, but what's the point of buying a guide if you still have to look online to find what you need?

  • @CarnSoRaw
    @CarnSoRaw 3 года назад +4

    I have that collectors edition guide i bought it off of Facebook marketplace a year ago mint condition

  • @TheBigdan217
    @TheBigdan217 2 года назад +1

    Anyone who got a players guide never used it unless it was for Zelda, we got them as a flex

  • @connorsarles
    @connorsarles 3 года назад +7

    I'm a simple man. I hear E1M2 music, I hit the like button

  • @NucleaRaptor
    @NucleaRaptor 3 года назад +1

    *SCORPION KNOWS*
    *HE KNOWS ABOUT THE FUCKING FLAMES*

  • @KnightlyBrosGaming
    @KnightlyBrosGaming 3 года назад +3

    The only strategy guides for fighting games that were godlike were the Marvel vs Capcom 3 and Soul Calibur V guides. They contained damage values, frame data, and useful information. The games eventually got updated so some of the information became outdated like you mentioned in the video, but most of the information was still useful.

  • @zenergetic_8299
    @zenergetic_8299 3 года назад +1

    “THIS FUCKING GUIDE!” This is why I’m a Patreon.

  • @TriplePalindromous
    @TriplePalindromous 3 года назад +1

    Due to Nether Realms Studios possibly releasing Mortal Kombat 10 at some point, we have purposefully left this guide blank. Thank you.

  • @Gunnumn
    @Gunnumn 2 года назад

    I remember having the Kingdom Hearts 2 guide for years. I read that thing so much that the pages were falling out.

  • @huevonesunltd
    @huevonesunltd 3 года назад +1

    Plot twist: The guide was actually far ahead of it's time and all the current top players have no idea what they are talking about and Nightwolf is actually top tier.

  • @Skip_Jaymz
    @Skip_Jaymz 2 года назад

    Yo there was this kid in high school who would quote this whenever I tried to say, anything about the game. Holy christ this makes me feel better for even existing

  • @Grieftheunspoken2002
    @Grieftheunspoken2002 2 года назад

    I and my friends were so confused when one of us bought it back in 2014, we were all eleven, so most of us didn't have access to the internet, and seeing that book with the screenshots made us all wonder what are we going to do with that.

  • @CrazyVombat
    @CrazyVombat 3 года назад

    "If he has brain"...
    My friend, picking Saibot: Catch this! clone, clone, clone, clone!
    Me, as my first figthing experience: OMFG

  • @MrTheMasterX
    @MrTheMasterX 3 года назад +2

    >shitty strategy guide
    >it's Prima
    of course it is

  • @Brandonmtlhd
    @Brandonmtlhd 3 года назад

    Buying guides used to be a necessity for games that had a lot of stuff you would miss otherwise, or for ones that had a lot of button combos, like MK. Until the internet that is.

  • @pocketenix
    @pocketenix 2 года назад

    About intentionally leaving out frame data, when i first read that after purchasing this guide I figured it was because of Nerfs/Buffs that could be applied down the line. It did feel like a waste of money since what exactly am i paying for? Combos? Safe Strings? Mixups? General strategies? Like you know, all those things that I have developed for years harnessing just having fun labbing in training mode and experimenting in every fighting game i have ever owned. It was something about reading that line in this guidebook that made me realize that guidebooks for fighting games are near useless besides frame data (which isnt that valuable since many times you can "feel" when a move is plus and by how much with practice. Discovering how to punish or creating safe jumps or setup situations on your own is a lot more fun in my opinion. Not to mention sometimes the info in these types of guides is just straight up wrong.

  • @pabloignacioscaletta
    @pabloignacioscaletta 2 года назад

    I don't have it but I discovered everything by playing tutorial, training and story mode. Some things were even discovered incidentally, such as the fact that Shang Tsung gets a damage boost while doing the soul steal move, or that even though you may not morph into bosses with said move, you do get some benefit if you do it: you regain some health if the move connects, much as it happens with a throw.

  • @rdxgamer1772
    @rdxgamer1772 3 года назад +5

    Also prima guides have been nutrious for being bad for alot games

  • @_Paul_N
    @_Paul_N 3 года назад +1

    Looking back, I’ve only found Final Fantasy strategy guides helpful for the older games before 13 lol. RUclips has made strategy guides a waste of money these days, but they’re good collectors items.

  • @Biosynthnut
    @Biosynthnut 3 года назад +5

    The artwork was cool.

  • @Sashko_Dee
    @Sashko_Dee 2 года назад

    I remember going to my local library to look up cheat codes for Driver on the PSX. Had to write them down on a piece of paper like a savage because they charged for prints.

  • @champsammy13
    @champsammy13 2 года назад +1

    Leaving out frame data and damage makes sense due to updates, patching balancing etc.

  • @bluerazzrush
    @bluerazzrush 3 года назад +3

    Oh boy. Bad strategy guides were gold.