That's because they had to cut content to meet deadlines. The Civil War and College of Winterhold quest line's suffered the most from it. Personally I'd have happily waited a good few months even a year to see the game in full uncut form
@@top_banananaplays college of winterhold felt short and weird but it didn't feel unfinished. There were some plotholes and things that didn't make much sense but it still went linear
The dial on the one dragon claw wall in the thieves guild quest has the dials set to two birds and one snake. Mercer is the snake, and gallus and karliah are the nightingales. Real cool
The first sign was Mercer letting us know that he was aware that we were after him. The second sign was a taunt. And the third was plain disrespectful. Assuming that we needed the help in order to catch up to him. I still took the potions. Because, y’know, free potions. “Im gonna take this, but I’m very offended by it”.
Those detect life scrolls are also a not so subtle suggestion from Mercer to "Get a Life." Little did he know, that little taunt of his would be his undoing.
Why would they flip the text? Having Mercer leave little taunts through the whole dungeon would have been really good and given him a little more charactisation.
@@Kaisenik Vanilla Skyrim player of 1k hours, 3 saves that completely 100% on the Thieves Guild. The text is mirrored by default. -Unofficial Skyrim patches do fix this though-
@@davidlewis1418 Sounds like Arthmoor, the conceited prick. I wouldn't play with the unofficial patch at all if Live Another Life wasn't a necessity for heavily modded games (the opening scene bugs tf out if you have too many scripts running at game start, and it would annoy me more to scroll all the way down the 500+ saves to get to the original "prisoner" file after the cart ride).
Mercer probably could have gotten away in time if he didn’t waste his time carving shadowmarks into stone and leaving his shit for people he already knows are following him
Mercer's weakness is his cockiness. He thinks he is the real shit and is boasting through the sadowmarks. He is egotistical and self-absorbed, which is why he is dragging out the time. But yes, he could've had a chance of getting away, if he truly tried
Great detail that in the first one there's a Black-Briar mead on top of the guild's symbol, probably symbolizes how Maven controls the guild, or Mercer and the corruption that he represents
This dungeon, Markarth museum, and goldenglow are so well designed with bypassing and places to hide. If ever area was so well designed skyrim would probably surpass most of the giants for game design.
It *_could_* be Mercer's own way of calling both the Guild and the three nightingales out. First detail is a call out on how the Guild's under Maven while the three lockpicks are essentially meant to call the Dragonborn and his two allies as cheap, easy to make and easy to break tools for thieves. Second detail's more about boasting, saying he's been leaving everything dry because of how slow the Guild was in terms of thinking, being that "one step ahead" Third detail, i've no idea at all. Either he's trying to boast that he's leaving a cache of strength and healing to the Guild, literally saying "i'm saving the Guild" or theres somethin else. It's only speculation on my part but think like a thief
Think they meant to represent about where to go I'm terms of the guild. The strength potion representing that the theives guild rebuilding stronger and changing to get stronger. Being powerful The potion of healing on the other hand is to just heal the wound that mercer made and continue to be used by maven or serve nocturnal. Which makes sense. The strength potion only lasts for a while, but that strength can change the outcome in combat. But with the healing potion, it's a remedy for your mistakes, It's a scapegoat that everyone goes to. Im likely overthinking it, but its a group representation for change
I've completed the Thieves Guild questline on all of my longterm playthroughs since Skyrim released, and I've never noticed the bottle and picks or the potions. Still learning stuff to this day it seems.
You know what place I wonder about the most sometimes? That shack on Solstheim that has a cellar that also has a hidden area that leads into what looks like a part of a Dwemer ruin. Has anybody ever figured out if this place is important? Is it important to lore? Are their secrets about the place I don't know about?
As far as I’m aware it has something to do with old forgotten gods/ the earth bones in some respect. There is no real information on it, just creepy Dwarven things. I believe FudgeMuppet has a video on it.
I've missed a lot of details in Skyrim because I spent hours forging nails and hinges before I get bored and see what monstrosity I can make in Oblivion character creation
I just went through that dungeon again yesterday (Irkngthand?) looking for dwemer scrap metal (that was a waste, the place was almost totally empty) and got stuck at the last door (the room that ends up flooded in the quest). I completely forgot that was the dungeon where you go after Mercer...and I never noticed the thieves' signs either time! Good job.
The thieves quest line is a simile of the main quest in Morrowind. Look at all the quest names and the thieves' relationships. One of was even the gf that was accused of murdering bf. Instead of the heart of Lorkhan, it was a skeleton key, 'do we use it or lose it?'. Falmer 'blind sighted'. Trinity restored, etc
The reason ES6 is taking so long is because they only began working on it a few years ago, and won’t start full-time development until they finish Starfield.
@@chene-aurelgaudreau1072 this. And they know they can shit out a slightly different Skyrim and make a couple hundred mill. Can't blame them, I'd do the same if given the opportunity.
More like they're busy milking ESO and F76, the same way R* is too busy milking GTAonline to make GTA6. All the great gaming companies have become greedy and lazy. Sad days...
Mercer is easily one of the top ten most vilified characters in ALL Elder Scrolls games. Maybe not THE most, but certainly up there. Too satisfying cleaving him apart when I finally caught up with him.
I've been through that questline probably a hundred times, always seen those lockpicks there, but never paid attention to them. Now you got me wanting to go back and search for more secrets 🤣
"did the falmer have no sense of smell? This place reeks!" Dragonborn:" Of course they have a sense of smell, that's how they detected you upon your approach you stinky bastard! You straight up smell raunchy and ripe like the riften ratway, It's time for us to part ways...at least until you shower!"
There is also an "Empty" shadowmark outside the abandoned house in Markarth. It doesn't say danger but it might as well, I thought that was interesting.
i remember seeing about the symbols everywhere i think from a quest they tell you or a book idk i forgot but ive never actually seen any lol just remember hearing about them
Did you know if you close the video then reopen it repeatedly you can force it to skip the ads? It takes more time than actually watching the ad but it is so satisfying.
He was barely ahead. As if he's spending time carving into stone to say there's loot that's empty and a thieves cache. Another thief must have gone through the dungeon first, maybe the one who told Merzer about the eye of the falmer being there.
The first, I may have seen but did not pick up on the meaning. Great work on that. The second, with the writing is hard to miss. I just assumed he was a thief and thieves take loot. The last one I found but I just assumed it was a normal thieves guild cache. Good work putting them all together,
Skyrim's still one of Steam's most bought and played games. And it probably does pretty well on console too. You're definitely not the only one still playing it. I personally start up a modded playthrough every few weeks. Game's such a gem.
Recently I started another playthrough to unlock every single achievement available. So no mods no cheats just skill. Playing it on master difficulty. So far I'm only left with the house, werewolf, and vampire achievements.
Yeah I think it's called Shadowmarks. I carry it with me because I'm always looking for the symbol on buildings and can never remember what each symbol means. Great way to know if breaking into a house or building is worth it. They have stashes hidden in all kinds of weird places.
@@jrichards2542 yes, and it s written by delvin, u can unlock even a secret exit in the riften prison.... u find an "escape mark" in ur cell, u just press on it and u re out
Makes sense the guild under the boot of the black briars wirh brynjolf karliah and us at the helm The empty treasury and mercer being gone before anyone knew The thought that we needed help to catch him
Its weird, but the more you look at this, it looks less like taunts, and more so like Mercer WANTED this to happen. The question I don't really get is why.
How is it that Bethesda's able to make such minut details in skyrim's open world, but still have unkillable npc's after their respective quests are finished?
It is not the dovahkiin who destorys the Dark Brotherhood but rather Astrid. Mercer also betrays the dovahkiin but the thieves guild has a chokehold on Riften so there's not much that can be done with regards to 'destroying' the guild
@@chriscaruso8876 that's how you start the quest...then you go tell some guards about it and you raid the sanctuary and kill everyone...I'm amazed by how confidently incorrect you are
Little subtle details make this game worthwhile, but I am still mad that I can't one punch Maven to her grave or her psychotic children... except her daughter she seems ok. Delphine... blasphemous! She is the worse NPC of them all.
u took 10 years to ONLY FIGURE THAT OUT?? ONLY THAT U FOUND?? AND TOOK 10 YEARS?? u dont know anything else?? u dont know the main quest?? u dont know anything.. only that for 10 years.. waw~
That took you 10 years? It took me 5 days to finish game not doing horse launch then, break out of the game to the devs outside the map houses; nothing there btw.
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nothing strange, it will just be pushed far away.
Shame on you for being this way
Bethesda put more thought into this quest, than the entire civil war questline.
Than*
Yes they are masters of DLC's and of side-quests main game they fuck up though.
Well at least in morrowind they made good main story
That's because they had to cut content to meet deadlines. The Civil War and College of Winterhold quest line's suffered the most from it. Personally I'd have happily waited a good few months even a year to see the game in full uncut form
@@top_banananaplays college of winterhold felt short and weird but it didn't feel unfinished. There were some plotholes and things that didn't make much sense but it still went linear
The dial on the one dragon claw wall in the thieves guild quest has the dials set to two birds and one snake. Mercer is the snake, and gallus and karliah are the nightingales. Real cool
I totally missed that.
The first sign was Mercer letting us know that he was aware that we were after him.
The second sign was a taunt.
And the third was plain disrespectful. Assuming that we needed the help in order to catch up to him.
I still took the potions. Because, y’know, free potions.
“Im gonna take this, but I’m very offended by it”.
Also Mercer left detect life scrolls which you can later use to uncover his invisibility😂
Those detect life scrolls are also a not so subtle suggestion from Mercer to "Get a Life." Little did he know, that little taunt of his would be his undoing.
Little did Mercer know i had my own way to get through his Invisibility, Blizzard scroll
@matthew hensley Little did Mercer know I had my own way to get through his invisibility, blindly swinging in every direction.
@@speks36 Little did Mercer know I had my own way to get through his invisibility, my pet Gargoyles and bats.
Little did Mercer know I had my own way to get through his invisibility.
nightingalesaywhat?
The dev who put all of this in in 2011:
YES, YES, FINALLY, YES!!
Why would they flip the text? Having Mercer leave little taunts through the whole dungeon would have been really good and given him a little more charactisation.
Maybe a bug?
Because Mercer is an asshole, no further explanation needed.
definitely a bug, vanilla Skyrim has the text normally so this must be cause of a graphics mod
@@Kaisenik Vanilla Skyrim player of 1k hours, 3 saves that completely 100% on the Thieves Guild. The text is mirrored by default. -Unofficial Skyrim patches do fix this though-
@@davidlewis1418 Sounds like Arthmoor, the conceited prick. I wouldn't play with the unofficial patch at all if Live Another Life wasn't a necessity for heavily modded games (the opening scene bugs tf out if you have too many scripts running at game start, and it would annoy me more to scroll all the way down the 500+ saves to get to the original "prisoner" file after the cart ride).
-Skyrim secrets you don't know.
-Let's see, how could I not know... damn I didn't know that
Mercer probably could have gotten away in time if he didn’t waste his time carving shadowmarks into stone and leaving his shit for people he already knows are following him
Mercer's weakness is his cockiness. He thinks he is the real shit and is boasting through the sadowmarks. He is egotistical and self-absorbed, which is why he is dragging out the time.
But yes, he could've had a chance of getting away, if he truly tried
Hahaha good point
Great detail that in the first one there's a Black-Briar mead on top of the guild's symbol, probably symbolizes how Maven controls the guild, or Mercer and the corruption that he represents
I would think it's a taunt, "You're under Maven's thumb, I'm not."
Wow, real af. Didn't realized that before, it makes so fucking sense now.
This dungeon, Markarth museum, and goldenglow are so well designed with bypassing and places to hide. If ever area was so well designed skyrim would probably surpass most of the giants for game design.
Skyrim's Thieves Guild level design with Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood writing could probably make the single best RPG in history
When Karliah said he was toying with us, she was not joking
It *_could_* be Mercer's own way of calling both the Guild and the three nightingales out.
First detail is a call out on how the Guild's under Maven while the three lockpicks are essentially meant to call the Dragonborn and his two allies as cheap, easy to make and easy to break tools for thieves.
Second detail's more about boasting, saying he's been leaving everything dry because of how slow the Guild was in terms of thinking, being that "one step ahead"
Third detail, i've no idea at all. Either he's trying to boast that he's leaving a cache of strength and healing to the Guild, literally saying "i'm saving the Guild" or theres somethin else.
It's only speculation on my part but think like a thief
I figured the third one was like "you'll need these if you want to have a chance of beating me" or something like that?
@@cozy-horror Yeah, that's what I figured he meant as well.
Think they meant to represent about where to go I'm terms of the guild.
The strength potion representing that the theives guild rebuilding stronger and changing to get stronger. Being powerful
The potion of healing on the other hand is to just heal the wound that mercer made and continue to be used by maven or serve nocturnal.
Which makes sense. The strength potion only lasts for a while, but that strength can change the outcome in combat.
But with the healing potion, it's a remedy for your mistakes, It's a scapegoat that everyone goes to.
Im likely overthinking it, but its a group representation for change
As soon as I saw “One step ahead” -Mercer
I quietly said “You cheeky fuck…”
I always noticed the mead and lockpicks, but never the guild symbol.
There is a book by a bed in the guild hideout "Shadow Marks" that explains all of the symbols.
It’s insane after all these years since Skyrim came out people are still discovering new things with this game.
This is just one amazing example of why the Thieve's guild is my favorite faction in Skyrim
Oh wow, what a level of detail. And almost noone will even realize this...
I've completed the Thieves Guild questline on all of my longterm playthroughs since Skyrim released, and I've never noticed the bottle and picks or the potions. Still learning stuff to this day it seems.
You know what place I wonder about the most sometimes? That shack on Solstheim that has a cellar that also has a hidden area that leads into what looks like a part of a Dwemer ruin. Has anybody ever figured out if this place is important? Is it important to lore? Are their secrets about the place I don't know about?
As far as I’m aware it has something to do with old forgotten gods/ the earth bones in some respect. There is no real information on it, just creepy Dwarven things. I believe FudgeMuppet has a video on it.
I wonder that too!
The notes there say it creates things as well, might be an old dwemer forge of some kind
Trainwiz has a small expansion to that area as part of his dwemer spectres mod.
Ruins of Uncle Sweetshare's Workshop
My favourite detail is a potion of true shot, next to the poop bucket in one of the bandits castes
Mercer is both provoking and testing you at the same time. An interesting detail.
I've missed a lot of details in Skyrim because I spent hours forging nails and hinges before I get bored and see what monstrosity I can make in Oblivion character creation
10 years..
That was a good one for sure! Did not know that before
If I recall correctly, I think there's also a trail of coins in his house (I think leading out of his office idk), implying he knew you'd show up
Quest marker: "I'm about to end this mans whole career"
I just went through that dungeon again yesterday (Irkngthand?) looking for dwemer scrap metal (that was a waste, the place was almost totally empty) and got stuck at the last door (the room that ends up flooded in the quest). I completely forgot that was the dungeon where you go after Mercer...and I never noticed the thieves' signs either time! Good job.
The thieves quest line is a simile of the main quest in Morrowind. Look at all the quest names and the thieves' relationships. One of was even the gf that was accused of murdering bf. Instead of the heart of Lorkhan, it was a skeleton key, 'do we use it or lose it?'. Falmer 'blind sighted'. Trinity restored, etc
I mean is it ever a wonder why they're taking their sweet time with ES6? They're trying to top everything they did in Skyrim
Or they just lazy
The reason ES6 is taking so long is because they only began working on it a few years ago, and won’t start full-time development until they finish Starfield.
@@chene-aurelgaudreau1072 this. And they know they can shit out a slightly different Skyrim and make a couple hundred mill. Can't blame them, I'd do the same if given the opportunity.
More like they're busy milking ESO and F76, the same way R* is too busy milking GTAonline to make GTA6. All the great gaming companies have become greedy and lazy. Sad days...
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I love how cocky this makes it seem that Mercer is.
Mercer is easily one of the top ten most vilified characters in ALL Elder Scrolls games. Maybe not THE most, but certainly up there.
Too satisfying cleaving him apart when I finally caught up with him.
I've been through that questline probably a hundred times, always seen those lockpicks there, but never paid attention to them. Now you got me wanting to go back and search for more secrets 🤣
I think I was on my second or third run-through of Thieves Guild when I realized the writing on that one wall in Irkngthand. That was cool.
The physical book guide to Skyrim I bought when the game came out had a list of the thief markings. I still use the book when I play today.
Amazing finds! I never knew any of these.
"did the falmer have no sense of smell? This place reeks!" Dragonborn:" Of course they have a sense of smell, that's how they detected you upon your approach you stinky bastard! You straight up smell raunchy and ripe like the riften ratway, It's time for us to part ways...at least until you shower!"
I knew about a couple of these but definitely not all of them. Very cool!
There is also an "Empty" shadowmark outside the abandoned house in Markarth. It doesn't say danger but it might as well, I thought that was interesting.
i remember seeing about the symbols everywhere i think from a quest they tell you or a book idk i forgot but ive never actually seen any lol just remember hearing about them
The book is called Shadowmarks. And I never got around to memorizing it like a proper thief.
Since the game first came out I’ve never came across this. Nice find!
Once I learned about the icons I was looking for them everywhere.
The thieves guild questline almost feels like a different game altogether
Is this armor/suit you are using is mod or native to the game?
Its in the game
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No. Way. I totally missed those in all my playthroughs.
It took me ten years to find out you could fail the riften guard persuasion check
Its all cool and dandy but he folded like a lawnchair...
Did you know if you close the video then reopen it repeatedly you can force it to skip the ads? It takes more time than actually watching the ad but it is so satisfying.
Yeah the thieves guild ALSO has that symbol on the back entrance sarcophagus tomb thing only the other way around like
And here I thought I knew everything known about Skyrim... Guess I'll watch more EpicNate315 then
He was barely ahead. As if he's spending time carving into stone to say there's loot that's empty and a thieves cache. Another thief must have gone through the dungeon first, maybe the one who told Merzer about the eye of the falmer being there.
The first, I may have seen but did not pick up on the meaning. Great work on that. The second, with the writing is hard to miss. I just assumed he was a thief and thieves take loot. The last one I found but I just assumed it was a normal thieves guild cache. Good work putting them all together,
What about that symbol next to the door of the general goods store in solitude?
Wasn't it mentioned in a book of some kind in the game? I feel like I've been knowing about it since forverer -.^
i've done this questline for every character but like ONE for ten years and never noticed the mark under the bottle, thought it was just random loot.
Ok but which dungeon is this? I really want to go there in game
Good find
I guess I'm not the only one still playing Skyrim.
I still am, Im doing a craftmen survivalist run, not allowed to use any weapon or armor unless i craft them
Skyrim's still one of Steam's most bought and played games. And it probably does pretty well on console too. You're definitely not the only one still playing it. I personally start up a modded playthrough every few weeks. Game's such a gem.
Recently I started another playthrough to unlock every single achievement available. So no mods no cheats just skill. Playing it on master difficulty. So far I'm only left with the house, werewolf, and vampire achievements.
Amazing
There is litterally a book in the sanctuary that explain.... so important to read bcs it unlock the quest in solsthaim
Yeah I think it's called Shadowmarks. I carry it with me because I'm always looking for the symbol on buildings and can never remember what each symbol means. Great way to know if breaking into a house or building is worth it. They have stashes hidden in all kinds of weird places.
@@jrichards2542 yes, and it s written by delvin, u can unlock even a secret exit in the riften prison.... u find an "escape mark" in ur cell, u just press on it and u re out
This was pretty interessting.
They were a railroad before railroad was a thing.
Yeah. They also have them on buildings as well
Delvin Mallory created a whole book on this. I found that book in apocropha (realm oh herma mora, not miraak)
Makes sense the guild under the boot of the black briars wirh brynjolf karliah and us at the helm
The empty treasury and mercer being gone before anyone knew
The thought that we needed help to catch him
Its weird, but the more you look at this, it looks less like taunts, and more so like Mercer WANTED this to happen. The question I don't really get is why.
WOW that's amazing
At this point I'm not sure whats been added/fixed by my modded skyrim and whats always been in vanilla skyrim.
Cool
How is it that Bethesda's able to make such minut details in skyrim's open world, but still have unkillable npc's after their respective quests are finished?
There’s thieves guild marks in every city
When will we see ES6?????
Give your mod list. Specialy for lights.
How did he grave the rock ?
I wish there was a destroy the thieves guild quest, kinda like how you can destroy the dark brotherhood
It is not the dovahkiin who destorys the Dark Brotherhood but rather Astrid. Mercer also betrays the dovahkiin but the thieves guild has a chokehold on Riften so there's not much that can be done with regards to 'destroying' the guild
@@chriscaruso8876 no there actually is a quest where you can just kill off the dark brotherhood, when Astrid kidnaps you you just kill her
@@TGoody2217 Ok so Astrid is dead, but the brotherhood is still alive. Also, that's not a quest, that's failing a quest.
@@chriscaruso8876 that's how you start the quest...then you go tell some guards about it and you raid the sanctuary and kill everyone...I'm amazed by how confidently incorrect you are
@@chriscaruso8876 the Dragonborn is a psychopath. Killing a few thieves after single handed my exterminating a rebellion? Too easy.
Why the hell did someone carve thief glyphs into a random dungeon? If it was Mercer then why? Why would he help you?
You know it's modded Skyrim when 1080p works only at 50fps
what quest was that?
Bethesda did well there
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Fun Fact: Gallus made this all
Holy heck go figure 😂😂😂
Mercer could've easily gotten away if he used the time for writing taunts on the wall but only wasted it for his ego. What a loser!😂
Little subtle details make this game worthwhile, but I am still mad that I can't one punch Maven to her grave or her psychotic children... except her daughter she seems ok. Delphine... blasphemous! She is the worse NPC of them all.
Interesting
Ok it whys it backwards?
There's a book for that
In whiterun there is a symbol underneath the bridge 😮
Every store got a symbol, that way you can tell if it's profitable, also by that symbol you can recognize the thieves Guild member Solstheim
It took you ten years to realize Mercer was a douch?
There's very subtle signs but with a little digging you can notice it.
Detail 1 🤨
wow
Never read shadow marks book eh
Need to just make a game of side quests
Sorry kid, you're way too late to the party. Shadow marks might be mostly useless(in Skyrim), but you need better observation skills regardless
Man they really make you look lol
that's sad
u took 10 years to ONLY FIGURE THAT OUT?? ONLY THAT U FOUND?? AND TOOK 10 YEARS??
u dont know anything else?? u dont know the main quest?? u dont know anything.. only that for 10 years.. waw~
maybe u just afk for 9 years 364 days 23 hours.. and when u play u only find that..
HongKong#Theives,😢.
Don't even know what this is about
That took you 10 years? It took me 5 days to finish game not doing horse launch then, break out of the game to the devs outside the map houses; nothing there btw.