Bringing back a sliding keyboard in a device like this, tickles the part of my brain where I was playing legend of Zelda on an old Samsung slider phone circa 2006
@@CLOYO if it wasn’t for all of these new little handhelds coming out of china, I’d absolutely pick up an old Experia play. I’m kinda looking at getting an r35s thanks to taki. I’ve got the steam deck, but I really want to beat donkey Kong 64 some day, and being able to slide that out of my pocket would be pretty neat
@@CLOYO I really wish they would make an updated version of the Xperia play. I know they technically did but it was just a normal smartphone with no controller. The original was such a great concept that a lot of people missed out on. With the advancement in tech and emulators, a phone like that would be so great to have now.
I so far bought from GPD Win and Aokzoe and they all have issues from overheating to boot problems to random restarts to BSOD to screen tearing the list goea on the RoG Ally is my current device at the moment all updated to latest bios 335 no issues yet but battery life sucks
The problem with these handhelds is that the company just keep releasing them until they get a 'hit' like the Steam Deck or ROG. But the problem is, they will never get that because most people dont trust a company that doesnt stick by a console. Even Valve knew this, by confirming they wont be releasing a Steam Deck 2 for at least a year or so, because you need to get peoples trust that you can actually support a product before moving onto the next.
When it comes to niche PC companies I kind of trust Ayn more than Ayaneo. They have a legit site, not THAT many models (their lineup is reasonable with budget, mid tier and pro versions) and they adjust the price of their handhelds, I heard some models come with issues but they seem to be good with customer service. AND their prices aren’t as outrageous as Ayaneo’s as well. They had a blunder with shipping times sure but well I had to wait for my first Steam Deck for over a year too. And I just find it weird that Ayaneo’s main website doesn’t work for everyone - I can access only their shopify that has only a handful of their products with massive discounts but apparently it’s legit?
Pretty sure it's not about getting a hit but instead something something about them needing the sell the next console to build the current one, always playing catchup.
@@ejay3k in my opinion its something different and something ive been complaining about its when companies listen to the consumer TOO MUCH its good to get feedback and to use that going forward but sometimes what the consumer wants is not what they want because when they say what they want they forget what it costs look at what most consumers would say is the perfect handheld 7 inch must be oled must be 1080p(4k better) must do 120fps must have the fastest cpu and gpu combo you can cram in it must have external gpu support and 2tb of storage then such a device exists and the consumer goes woah im not paying 1200 dollars for that!!!! thats the one thing i think valve did well is they built the steamdeck much in the same way you build a console they set a rough price point then built its features around what they could and could not have and compromised where they could dumping features one big one is everyone ragging on the 720p screen which is funny because people where jizzing there pants over the switch saying how amazing it looked how beutifull breath of the wild was how jaw dropping the image looked how breathtaking the image was... despite having the same resolution and framerate ( if not lower framerate) than a steamdeck but brininging it back steam and asus dont feel the need to keep re inovating the console over and over but aya feels the need to keep making the next best system and chasing the unreasonable demands of there fans they dont want to make a system and let it have its run they want to chase the bleeding edge
Straight Facts💯💯💯 my Aya neo air bugged out on me after a month and now it doesn’t turn on anymore ….smh spent $700 on that thing….. i wont be messing wit aya neo products nomore sadly.
Yeah, never gonna buy this, it's bordering on or exceeding a grand. That's way too much to spend on this. But I do like watching him go through the specs and what you can do with it, because even if I don't want it, I do find it interesting.
It’s in my price range and I’m super interested but one thing making me apprehensive is that sliding mechanism. I still love the GPD Win 4 the fact it looks like the PSP helps a bit 😂
It's just too expensive. A handheld with an iGPU really just needs to cost half of this. This class of device is new so I get the price premium. When I saw a steamdeck on sale refurbished for under $300 I felt like the value was within reason.
The 64GB+4TB version seems damn nice though, especially for that size compared to the Steam Deck. Though that maxed out version costs $1300, that's enough to buy a really beefy 4K GPU.
This is one Ayaneo device I am kind of interested in in the future but only after a heavy discount. Both for the comfort of the keyboard and also because the screen position might improve ergonomics.
Not gunna lie. I was very interested in this device before finishing this review. It really feels like a cool device to play on, but that it lacks quality in a number of areas that I don't think are acceptable for being as expensive as it is. Thank you for the review!
Out of all the Aya products I have seen Russ and others review, this is the one that I would honestly consider getting. I’m loving the form factor and the ips screen is more than enough.
I’m waiting til he reviews the Flip KB, Clamshell design is my top tier due to the protection that is offered, though the Flip looks like it may be a little chunky for true pocketable carry.
This is now out under the guise of Antec core HS, it's exactly the same console but branded as Antec not ayaneo It's £550 for the console with 32gb of Ram 2tb of storage and it's bundled with a dock,case, screen protector and joystick cap set. I've just ordered one that's why I came here to look at the review
It's an awesome price, especially when you think that the GPD Win 4, with a weaker spec, is twice the price as this. Ebuyer sold out within a few days, but looks like stock is expected soon, as of typing this.
@DKTronics70 the white had sold out when I bought mine and the black was gone 20 minutes after purchase, not surprised at that price mind. Plus all the stuff in the bundle
The ability to angle the screen is definitely a huge plus (the main reason the GPD Win 3 just isn't comfortable for me to use is that the controller and screen are at the same angle), but I'm still glad I chose the GPD Win Mini. It's a bit large, but I can fit it in the inner pocket of three different jackets *with* the grips on, so it's pocketable enough for me.
I think it's the clamshell design that makes the Mini more pocketable, with these slide handhelds the screen and sticks are still exposed and I always want to keep them in a protective case which of course makes them a lot bigger.
@@massivepileup I wouldn't put the Win Mini in a *pants* pocket (especially with grips attached), only an inner jacket pocket or hoodie pouch, but yeah, and in addition to protecting the screen and encasing the sticks, the clamshell design allows for the width of the screen to be just about the width of the whole device. With a slide-out design (much like with a PSP/GBA style design), screen size has to be sacrificed to make room for controls unless the controls are hidden under the sliding part...which seems pretty pointless, since you might as well just put a hinge on it at that point and have built-in screen protection and fully adjustable viewing angle. Having owned the Win 3 for a while, I have concluded that the slide-out design is completely pointless. I don't know why they didn't just put a hinge on it. I'm glad they went back to the hinge for the Win Mini, because it's better in every single way I can think of. And I don't know why Ayaneo is jumping on the slide wagon. I respect that they added an angle adjustment feature, but they might as well have just made it clamshell. I don't know what the reasoning is behind going with an obviously inferior design. It's just exposing the screen and sticks for no reason at this point. I understand putting controls on the sides when there isn't a keyboard, especially with cheaper, lightweight devices. Once you add the keyboard and the weight of PC guts, you might as well go clamshell. It's just better for so many reasons.
@massivepileup i can pocket it in my big jeans but the clamshell is definitely more pocketable imma get a clamshell instead with a second screen it looks like a DS
7:54 FINALLY, someone talked about that! I hate when these buttons are positioned right above the right analog. Same reason why I sent back my Backbone controller.
With the Win4 it's almost the same. I think the real difference lies in the angle of the sides, you hold your hands differently. The case should have been a little bit more gamepad like.
shame how those physical keyboard/buttons phones just faded out. theres something special about actually touching buttons rather than a screen where u can make typos so quickly/easily
I want more companies to go for the clamshell style. I’m still using my GPD Win 2 and I love its small size. However it’s getting a bit long in the tooth. I’m interested in the Win Mini however since I have a Steam Deck I can’t really justify the price. I wish GPD would make a cheaper lower spec version of the Mini with a cpu like an AMD Athlon or even an Intel N100. Both of those cpus would destroy the old M3 in the GPD Win 2.
This was reassuring for someone like me, on the verge of having FOMO. I still love my GPD Win 4 6800U. I just have to find more time to enjoy all these handhelds 😅
Found a fellow Win 4 6800U appreciator Edit: I did however put in an order for the Slide, if only because I sometimes use these handheld PCs to render videos concurrently
The control issues are certainly strange - it can't be the game getting confused because there is a controller and a keyboard at the same time because I am not in the habit of unplugging the keyboard of my desktop whenever I want to use a controller. This is something they messed up specifically with this device, not a standard game or windows issue.
On Android, some older games/code/game engines have a bug where any attached keyboards are automatically assigned as "Controller 1" and the main controller as "Controller 2". This then means said games won't support the second controller and thus any controllers.
Not to mention other devices have been okay with kind of form factor (physical keyboard and controller). Gpd has a physical switch to change between the two control methods and even have a track pad that works in either mode. Aya just needs to step up their game.
GPD Win 4 Owner here - missing the mouse nub is a massive oversight and definitely renders the keyboard kinda useless as you explained. I already mishit the top row of buttons with the screen slid up, adding more up there seems like a bad move. Finally I think they whiffed on the screen implementation. Not being flush seems like the wrong choice, and it slides too high up. I get it allows for the angling but that's probably why it felt so flimsy. The gpd win 4 screen only extends roughly 40% above the device, but this is closer to 66-70%. I think they should keep iterating but I wouldn't trade in my win 4 for this. Great video!
I use FX Sound on my PC, it can do amazing things as far as equalizer functions. It totally makes my Creative Labs speakers sound correctly. OOB, they sound like all mids, with the app, you can actually hear the tweeters and low end.
I really do not understand the "these companies release 5 handhelds per microsecond" complaints on every single review of anything but the Deck/Ally/Legion Go. Ayaneo, GPD, OneXPlayer/OneNetbook, etc. have been at this for YEARS before more western-reachable tech entered the market. It is obvious Valve wants to keep the Deck and the OLEDeck alive as much as possible, and that is a valid business strategy; these other companies do not follow that methodology and yet it still works for them. Is a matter of launching as many diverse devices as possible until that lineup is pretty much set and always appeal to the same market demographic, which in this case is mostly Asia. I am not going to say that the Deck is bad by any means of the imagination, in fact both are excellent, but those are products for another demographic and, yes, these 5 handhelds per microsecond companies actually sell these devices. Not to mention that Valve, Asus and Lenovo do a terrible job at reaching less populated markets. Must admit that getting the Slide before the Flip KB or Flip DS is a bit of a shame but it looks like quite a nice device nonetheless. Keep it up Russ, thanks for the review!
I had considered trading out my GPD Win 4 for this, but honestly, it sounds like a lot of the issues that you had with this (no mouse nub, JoyCon joysticks, gamepad/keyboard recognition, heat) aren't nearly as big of an issue on the Win. So I guess I'll stick with it and recommend it as an alternative.
Was kind of interested in this due to the Win 4s laggy screen, but the dpad is such a miss. I don't know why handheld PCs have gotten to such an optimized state and they are still whiffing on the dpads half the time.
My first smartphone was a Sidekick and I loved it. Far prefer a physical keyboard to on-screen, plus the better viewing angle. Sadly, I am a poor gamer and will never be able to afford something nice like these handhelds.
I have this first world problem Russ. On devices that I don't particularly have an interest in buying, I wish the videos were short and sweet. But the devices that I might actually buy, I wish the videos were twice as long! Thanks for the video.
I'm glad they're making more of these slide style handhelds but they need to nail the controls. The GPDWIN4 is still much better to use thanks to the optical track pad / button it has which makes it easy to use mouse based games on it. And really, trackpads would be better. The sooner everyone just straight copies the Steam Deck controls, the better.
Apart from the price being way above what I could afford the springs being exposed on the screen gives me concern that they'll break, get damaged to easily or be a magnet for dirt/bag fluff. Even a thin plastic/vinyl cover could have avoided the latter.
in my country this console is sold on the secondary market for 32k ₽ ($371) does it make sense to buy it, or take SteamDeck OLED for about the same price?
While they keep releasing new units, it would be great if they make the battery pack more charge so i can game longer before reaching out for the powerbank
Coming out significantly after the Win 4, I don't get why they didn't make it a 7 inch screen to give it a feature that stands out. Their entire market is just Aya loyalists who already have a thousand different options for their devices as everyone else already has the Win.
The Win Mini's mouse/controller toggle, like the one on previous GPD machines, doesn't disable the keyboard (or the touch pad). It just disables the controller when set to mouse mode. Disabling the keyboard makes no sense anyway, any desktop or laptop PC is going to have a keyboard connected while you play games on a controller. Games may switch to keyboard and mouse mode when you press a key or click and some don't accept it if the controller is plugged in after the game has started but the presence of a keyboard should never interfere with anything. Whatever is happening with Witcher and GoW must be something else.
I hope these handheld manufacturers invest in better battery technology and hopefully push battery life to double or even more in the next few years. Also I really hope that with so much competition around that prices will start to drop a bit or even drop significantly. Holds my breath!
They cannot, the technology is at a dead corner density wise. However, solid state batteries should be released within the next 1-5 years. Depending on how many stable layers they can implement, the energy density will be between 1.5-5x times the density we have now, with the upside of it not degrading due those batteries not using a solvent for the lithium crystals. In other words, within 5 years we should see electronics doubling the use time. If not better (they could do better but it would not be economical)
the battery life seems extremely underwhelming. Also what's up with the 12W for Wind Waker HD. I play it on my SD and it takes just 5W and give me a bit more than 4hrs of battery life. This one even with Celeste gives under 4, while the SD would even reach 6hrs.
I don’t understand the devices with the blackberry style keyboard. What is the point of a keyboard that is too small to use for office tasks or gaming? Why not save on cost, bulk and complexity and just utilize a digital keyboard for the few times you actually need one on a handheld?
do you think the sticks on the rp4 and ayn odin 2 would fix all your issues with these switch style joysticks? I'm wondering how good they are, especially for FPS games
Been following you for a while and I like your videos. I got the Miyoo mini plus with onion OS, but I would like to get something more powerful. I want it to be able to play N64 and PS2. I love playing Conker, Ratchet, Jak and more. Does not need to be perfect. So my question is this. Which one would you recommend for N64 and PS2?
Can you test/check how the controls work in steam big picture mode for all future x64 handheld? Has a air plus (mendo) and its really irritating there is no equivalent of xbox guide/steam menu button when in Big Picture mode. Can't seem to find any software/mapping alternative either, the inbuilt aya software can only s do win+G which is different.
that looks really cool and reminds me of the old days of cell phone keyboards. Don't see a need for a keyboard like that. Im looking to game on these not type out an email. Really not sure who this is for..
My problem with AYA is that they’re are releasing so many devices while their naming scheme doesn’t make any sense. How am I supposed to decide which one is better? Some newer devices are even less powerful than some older models, so you can’t just go and get the latest model.
I wish the PC handheld market wasn't full of console-type fanboys now. It's so stupid how much nonstop complaining and hating on any devices that aren't the one the commenter's mom bought them. People don't seem to understand how lucky we are to have all these options or how companies like GPD or AYANEO may not be perfect, but they've helped shape this space and offer people options for years now... also the great news is if you aren't interested in something you don't have to buy it. We're basically all just trying to enjoy videogames and things we like. It's not a competition.
If Valve made the Steam deck still have the trackpads and have a sliding screen with physical keyboard it would be so much better for a multi-purpose computer. Physical keyboard without trackpads is silly.
Pretty dope looking.. only set back is the price. Cost you an arm and a leg for that extra unique slide and keyboard feature. This is definitely something I'll spend money on if i had some lying around.
Screens aren't just sold like paint where you can just make them on the got.... First you need to find ANY supplier making an OLED screen that fits your needs, 16:9 OLED screen are not common, they have barely made it to laptops, let alone desktop monitors
@@jesusbarrera6916 that is true but there's a lot of cell phones that come in different sizes that have OLS screen hell their TVs that have all that screen that are different sizes so I'm sure they could make it happen and a lot of the phones are like $200 phones so that's why I feel like they could easily just make that happen
there should be a simpler version of ayaspace, maybe the user does not want to control every game with it and just wants to control power, fan and leds, there should at least be an option to skip or disable the game manager and launcher on startup and just start it minimized (it can be very slow to start)
Re games getting confused with the controls, maybe they could implement a workaround that would switch the keyboard off if the screen was in the closed position.
kinda baffled they need a keyboard toggle for witcher. Like I don't remember any pc games that make me unplug my dang keyboard and mouse just to use a controller
Well Russ, I won't be supporting Ayaneo anymore. I placed an order for parts for my Geek 1S on Nov. 8th. I have emailed them many times and got many different responses. When I ordered the parts, they were in stock on the website. Since then, the parts for the Geek 1s and 2S devices are no longer being sold. They don't seem to be supporting them. I was told my parts were shipped many times with the same tracking number being given with no updates on the tracking for almost two months. One response they admitted to not having the parts, but having them made and it going to take up to 2 weeks, but that was a month ago. I was told they were made over a week ago and shipped again. No updates since that.
And it being a handheld, you *will* drop it. Not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when". I think that alone means people should carefully consider whether it's worth it to them. Everyone wants to be careful with their expensive hardware, but let me tell you, just days after getting my N3DS and heading back to college, my roommate managed to trip over my charging cable and fling my N3DS across the room (we had only one outlet in the room and it was in the walkway, because cheap-ass dorms). It's a surprisingly durable system and thankfully didn't go tumbling around, so no damage to it whatsoever, but imagine if that happened with your giant clunky slide-out handheld device? While the screen's out, this thing would absolutely split apart or at least the contacts/cords inside the rails would get damaged. Even the old-school DS Lite eventually broke the plastic hinges just from opening and closing it a ton of times (mine lasted all the way from early high school until a couple years ago, probably about a decade or more, but even I had it happen to me eventually while replaying some Pokemon games). Wear happens, too, and the more moving parts, the more complex the machinery, the more susceptible it becomes to issues. I *love* the idea of a slide-out keyboard on a device like this, it has its perks... but for $1k? This thing is absolutely gonna break, I hope whoever buys it is prepared to pay out the ass for repairs or a replacement. You have to have serious cash to burn to get something like this, it's not even just about getting one, it's about the cost of replacement, repairs or alternative models down the line if this one starts to have problems and you can't justify using it anymore.
We need consoles exactly like this but with detachable controllers and keyboards. Someone should make a standardize connector for the keyboard and controllers that's free to use so we can have market competition.
this device seems awesome, but I still have to go with GPD devices for the D Pad alone. The PS Vita clone D Pads are pretty much objectively the best design
I am calling it Switch 2: same slide design but with an extra screen instead of keyboard and joy cons. Update: I take that back looks like a fold out mechanism would be a better design.
Bringing back a sliding keyboard in a device like this, tickles the part of my brain where I was playing legend of Zelda on an old Samsung slider phone circa 2006
GBA and PS1 emulation was the GOAT on the Xperia Play! I think this was around 2012.
@@CLOYO if it wasn’t for all of these new little handhelds coming out of china, I’d absolutely pick up an old Experia play. I’m kinda looking at getting an r35s thanks to taki. I’ve got the steam deck, but I really want to beat donkey Kong 64 some day, and being able to slide that out of my pocket would be pretty neat
@@CLOYO I really wish they would make an updated version of the Xperia play. I know they technically did but it was just a normal smartphone with no controller. The original was such a great concept that a lot of people missed out on. With the advancement in tech and emulators, a phone like that would be so great to have now.
Still use mine to this day Great portable emulation device. Wish it had type c for charging though.@@CLOYO
I so far bought from GPD Win and Aokzoe and they all have issues from overheating to boot problems to random restarts to BSOD to screen tearing the list goea on the RoG Ally is my current device at the moment all updated to latest bios 335 no issues yet but battery life sucks
The problem with these handhelds is that the company just keep releasing them until they get a 'hit' like the Steam Deck or ROG. But the problem is, they will never get that because most people dont trust a company that doesnt stick by a console. Even Valve knew this, by confirming they wont be releasing a Steam Deck 2 for at least a year or so, because you need to get peoples trust that you can actually support a product before moving onto the next.
When it comes to niche PC companies I kind of trust Ayn more than Ayaneo. They have a legit site, not THAT many models (their lineup is reasonable with budget, mid tier and pro versions) and they adjust the price of their handhelds, I heard some models come with issues but they seem to be good with customer service. AND their prices aren’t as outrageous as Ayaneo’s as well. They had a blunder with shipping times sure but well I had to wait for my first Steam Deck for over a year too. And I just find it weird that Ayaneo’s main website doesn’t work for everyone - I can access only their shopify that has only a handful of their products with massive discounts but apparently it’s legit?
Pretty sure it's not about getting a hit but instead something something about them needing the sell the next console to build the current one, always playing catchup.
@@ejay3k in my opinion its something different and something ive been complaining about
its when companies listen to the consumer TOO MUCH
its good to get feedback and to use that going forward but sometimes what the consumer wants is not what they want because when they say what they want they forget what it costs
look at what most consumers would say is the perfect handheld
7 inch must be oled must be 1080p(4k better) must do 120fps must have the fastest cpu and gpu combo you can cram in it must have external gpu support and 2tb of storage
then such a device exists and the consumer goes
woah im not paying 1200 dollars for that!!!!
thats the one thing i think valve did well is they built the steamdeck much in the same way you build a console they set a rough price point then built its features around what they could and could not have and compromised where they could dumping features
one big one is everyone ragging on the 720p screen which is funny because people where jizzing there pants over the switch saying how amazing it looked how beutifull breath of the wild was how jaw dropping the image looked how breathtaking the image was... despite having the same resolution and framerate ( if not lower framerate) than a steamdeck
but brininging it back
steam and asus dont feel the need to keep re inovating the console over and over but aya feels the need to keep making the next best system and chasing the unreasonable demands of there fans they dont want to make a system and let it have its run they want to chase the bleeding edge
Straight Facts💯💯💯 my Aya neo air bugged out on me after a month and now it doesn’t turn on anymore ….smh spent $700 on that thing….. i wont be messing wit aya neo products nomore sadly.
@@foggdiggigty2062 Are you serious?! That really sucks!
Totally out of my price range but I always enjoy these in-depth review
Yeah, never gonna buy this, it's bordering on or exceeding a grand. That's way too much to spend on this. But I do like watching him go through the specs and what you can do with it, because even if I don't want it, I do find it interesting.
It’s in my price range and I’m super interested but one thing making me apprehensive is that sliding mechanism. I still love the GPD Win 4 the fact it looks like the PSP helps a bit 😂
It's just too expensive. A handheld with an iGPU really just needs to cost half of this. This class of device is new so I get the price premium. When I saw a steamdeck on sale refurbished for under $300 I felt like the value was within reason.
The 64GB+4TB version seems damn nice though, especially for that size compared to the Steam Deck. Though that maxed out version costs $1300, that's enough to buy a really beefy 4K GPU.
This is one Ayaneo device I am kind of interested in in the future but only after a heavy discount. Both for the comfort of the keyboard and also because the screen position might improve ergonomics.
Not gunna lie. I was very interested in this device before finishing this review. It really feels like a cool device to play on, but that it lacks quality in a number of areas that I don't think are acceptable for being as expensive as it is. Thank you for the review!
Was interested but holy hell that price
The 64GB version makes sense
AYANEO's devices are always so ridiculously expensive... That and they make dozens of them a year then immediately move on to the next thing
@@Caba-Rojoit doesn't. These are pretty overpriced.
@@Caba-Rojo Nah there's no reason to even get that much ram on a system like this it's insanely overpriced
It’s cheaper than most slide handhelds on the market
Out of all the Aya products I have seen Russ and others review, this is the one that I would honestly consider getting. I’m loving the form factor and the ips screen is more than enough.
I’m waiting til he reviews the Flip KB, Clamshell design is my top tier due to the protection that is offered, though the Flip looks like it may be a little chunky for true pocketable carry.
This is now out under the guise of Antec core HS, it's exactly the same console but branded as Antec not ayaneo
It's £550 for the console with 32gb of Ram 2tb of storage and it's bundled with a dock,case, screen protector and joystick cap set. I've just ordered one that's why I came here to look at the review
Were you able to find whether controller issues were fixed?
@colossusrageblack I've no idea yet but it's being delivered Wednesday, il have a muck about with it and let you know
It's an awesome price, especially when you think that the GPD Win 4, with a weaker spec, is twice the price as this.
Ebuyer sold out within a few days, but looks like stock is expected soon, as of typing this.
@DKTronics70 the white had sold out when I bought mine and the black was gone 20 minutes after purchase, not surprised at that price mind. Plus all the stuff in the bundle
@@darrenwilliams5615 Hows it been goin?
The ability to angle the screen is definitely a huge plus (the main reason the GPD Win 3 just isn't comfortable for me to use is that the controller and screen are at the same angle), but I'm still glad I chose the GPD Win Mini. It's a bit large, but I can fit it in the inner pocket of three different jackets *with* the grips on, so it's pocketable enough for me.
I think it's the clamshell design that makes the Mini more pocketable, with these slide handhelds the screen and sticks are still exposed and I always want to keep them in a protective case which of course makes them a lot bigger.
@@massivepileup I wouldn't put the Win Mini in a *pants* pocket (especially with grips attached), only an inner jacket pocket or hoodie pouch, but yeah, and in addition to protecting the screen and encasing the sticks, the clamshell design allows for the width of the screen to be just about the width of the whole device. With a slide-out design (much like with a PSP/GBA style design), screen size has to be sacrificed to make room for controls unless the controls are hidden under the sliding part...which seems pretty pointless, since you might as well just put a hinge on it at that point and have built-in screen protection and fully adjustable viewing angle.
Having owned the Win 3 for a while, I have concluded that the slide-out design is completely pointless. I don't know why they didn't just put a hinge on it. I'm glad they went back to the hinge for the Win Mini, because it's better in every single way I can think of. And I don't know why Ayaneo is jumping on the slide wagon. I respect that they added an angle adjustment feature, but they might as well have just made it clamshell. I don't know what the reasoning is behind going with an obviously inferior design. It's just exposing the screen and sticks for no reason at this point.
I understand putting controls on the sides when there isn't a keyboard, especially with cheaper, lightweight devices. Once you add the keyboard and the weight of PC guts, you might as well go clamshell. It's just better for so many reasons.
@massivepileup i can pocket it in my big jeans but the clamshell is definitely more pocketable imma get a clamshell instead with a second screen it looks like a DS
7:54 FINALLY, someone talked about that! I hate when these buttons are positioned right above the right analog. Same reason why I sent back my Backbone controller.
With the Win4 it's almost the same. I think the real difference lies in the angle of the sides, you hold your hands differently. The case should have been a little bit more gamepad like.
i think that noise aspect deserves more attention and space in your reviews
Reminds me of my old G1 smartphone with the slideout keyboard. The very first android phone. I had it back in 2009. I loved that phone
shame how those physical keyboard/buttons phones just faded out.
theres something special about actually touching buttons rather than a screen where u can make typos so quickly/easily
I want more companies to go for the clamshell style. I’m still using my GPD Win 2 and I love its small size. However it’s getting a bit long in the tooth. I’m interested in the Win Mini however since I have a Steam Deck I can’t really justify the price. I wish GPD would make a cheaper lower spec version of the Mini with a cpu like an AMD Athlon or even an Intel N100. Both of those cpus would destroy the old M3 in the GPD Win 2.
Amazon has a mini laptop with the N100 called "koosmile" for about $450.
Yeah a clamshell with a screen that can extend so far it's flat with the keypad
Aya Neo has that coming and a ds version lol
After having the rog ally for a week I definitely like the idea of having a keyboard but I think I’m pretty happy with what I have
This was reassuring for someone like me, on the verge of having FOMO. I still love my GPD Win 4 6800U. I just have to find more time to enjoy all these handhelds 😅
Found a fellow Win 4 6800U appreciator
Edit: I did however put in an order for the Slide, if only because I sometimes use these handheld PCs to render videos concurrently
I bring mine on long commutes I somehow find time to play in short bursts I am currently playing dead space remake been enjoying it so far
Cant wait to see what aya neo releases next week!
$1599, I just got the Sony product reveal shivers!
What? I got it only for $580
But this is many months later I guess price dropped
The control issues are certainly strange - it can't be the game getting confused because there is a controller and a keyboard at the same time because I am not in the habit of unplugging the keyboard of my desktop whenever I want to use a controller. This is something they messed up specifically with this device, not a standard game or windows issue.
On Android, some older games/code/game engines have a bug where any attached keyboards are automatically assigned as "Controller 1" and the main controller as "Controller 2". This then means said games won't support the second controller and thus any controllers.
Not to mention other devices have been okay with kind of form factor (physical keyboard and controller). Gpd has a physical switch to change between the two control methods and even have a track pad that works in either mode. Aya just needs to step up their game.
Why oh why oh why do they go LCD generic over a decent AMOLED panel?
See yaaa
Where can you get a decent 6" 16:9 OLED display?
GPD Win 4 Owner here - missing the mouse nub is a massive oversight and definitely renders the keyboard kinda useless as you explained.
I already mishit the top row of buttons with the screen slid up, adding more up there seems like a bad move.
Finally I think they whiffed on the screen implementation. Not being flush seems like the wrong choice, and it slides too high up. I get it allows for the angling but that's probably why it felt so flimsy. The gpd win 4 screen only extends roughly 40% above the device, but this is closer to 66-70%. I think they should keep iterating but I wouldn't trade in my win 4 for this. Great video!
Are you the OG 6800U appreciator or the newer version user?
I use FX Sound on my PC, it can do amazing things as far as equalizer functions. It totally makes my Creative Labs speakers sound correctly. OOB, they sound like all mids, with the app, you can actually hear the tweeters and low end.
Yeah it's a great program, helped a lot with the low max volume on the last laptop I owned too
I really do not understand the "these companies release 5 handhelds per microsecond" complaints on every single review of anything but the Deck/Ally/Legion Go. Ayaneo, GPD, OneXPlayer/OneNetbook, etc. have been at this for YEARS before more western-reachable tech entered the market. It is obvious Valve wants to keep the Deck and the OLEDeck alive as much as possible, and that is a valid business strategy; these other companies do not follow that methodology and yet it still works for them. Is a matter of launching as many diverse devices as possible until that lineup is pretty much set and always appeal to the same market demographic, which in this case is mostly Asia. I am not going to say that the Deck is bad by any means of the imagination, in fact both are excellent, but those are products for another demographic and, yes, these 5 handhelds per microsecond companies actually sell these devices. Not to mention that Valve, Asus and Lenovo do a terrible job at reaching less populated markets.
Must admit that getting the Slide before the Flip KB or Flip DS is a bit of a shame but it looks like quite a nice device nonetheless. Keep it up Russ, thanks for the review!
I had considered trading out my GPD Win 4 for this, but honestly, it sounds like a lot of the issues that you had with this (no mouse nub, JoyCon joysticks, gamepad/keyboard recognition, heat) aren't nearly as big of an issue on the Win. So I guess I'll stick with it and recommend it as an alternative.
sure the dpad is hadoukenable and shoryukenable, but for the ultimate test, is it pretzelable, get some classic snk love in here
Was kind of interested in this due to the Win 4s laggy screen, but the dpad is such a miss. I don't know why handheld PCs have gotten to such an optimized state and they are still whiffing on the dpads half the time.
My first smartphone was a Sidekick and I loved it. Far prefer a physical keyboard to on-screen, plus the better viewing angle. Sadly, I am a poor gamer and will never be able to afford something nice like these handhelds.
I have this first world problem Russ. On devices that I don't particularly have an interest in buying, I wish the videos were short and sweet. But the devices that I might actually buy, I wish the videos were twice as long! Thanks for the video.
This gen of portable consoles prove that Sega game gear was ahead of its time.
I'm glad they're making more of these slide style handhelds but they need to nail the controls. The GPDWIN4 is still much better to use thanks to the optical track pad / button it has which makes it easy to use mouse based games on it. And really, trackpads would be better. The sooner everyone just straight copies the Steam Deck controls, the better.
Looks great, I'll buy it when there's a Sale, Just upgraded to a Steam Deck OLED so I'm good for a while
Your videos are always so informative
Does this one get os hot it nukes the screen? Did the company tell you to not mention any of the bad bits in their email?
제가 궁금한건 스팀덱올레드 포함 안드기기 까지 포함해서 입력딜레이가 가장 짧은기기가 무엇입니까 스위치는 실기니까 제외 게임은 딜레이가 짧아야 즐길수있습니다 부디 답변이나 영상부탁드립니다
Apart from the price being way above what I could afford the springs being exposed on the screen gives me concern that they'll break, get damaged to easily or be a magnet for dirt/bag fluff. Even a thin plastic/vinyl cover could have avoided the latter.
in my country this console is sold on the secondary market for 32k ₽ ($371)
does it make sense to buy it, or take SteamDeck OLED for about the same price?
While they keep releasing new units, it would be great if they make the battery pack more charge so i can game longer before reaching out for the powerbank
No cartridge on screen for switch games show case? Hopefully you do not get copyright strikes
Coming out significantly after the Win 4, I don't get why they didn't make it a 7 inch screen to give it a feature that stands out.
Their entire market is just Aya loyalists who already have a thousand different options for their devices as everyone else already has the Win.
Antec selling a rebadged one of these starting at 499, at that price it doesn’t sound like a bad deal
The Win Mini's mouse/controller toggle, like the one on previous GPD machines, doesn't disable the keyboard (or the touch pad). It just disables the controller when set to mouse mode. Disabling the keyboard makes no sense anyway, any desktop or laptop PC is going to have a keyboard connected while you play games on a controller. Games may switch to keyboard and mouse mode when you press a key or click and some don't accept it if the controller is plugged in after the game has started but the presence of a keyboard should never interfere with anything. Whatever is happening with Witcher and GoW must be something else.
Thanks for this review. Got the information I needed. 👍
I hope these handheld manufacturers invest in better battery technology and hopefully push battery life to double or even more in the next few years. Also I really hope that with so much competition around that prices will start to drop a bit or even drop significantly. Holds my breath!
They cannot, the technology is at a dead corner density wise. However, solid state batteries should be released within the next 1-5 years. Depending on how many stable layers they can implement, the energy density will be between 1.5-5x times the density we have now, with the upside of it not degrading due those batteries not using a solvent for the lithium crystals.
In other words, within 5 years we should see electronics doubling the use time. If not better (they could do better but it would not be economical)
if we get decent battery life in a pc handheld imagine what we'll be getting in something like the odin 2, days of battery maybe?
the battery life seems extremely underwhelming. Also what's up with the 12W for Wind Waker HD. I play it on my SD and it takes just 5W and give me a bit more than 4hrs of battery life. This one even with Celeste gives under 4, while the SD would even reach 6hrs.
I suggest you to test the d-pad with more récent fighting games for half-circles dashes etc (like ggxx accent core or ps2 king of fighters 11)
I appericaite that I you play Destiny on these, as someone that also plays it's always good to hear how it performs on these handhelds. Thank you sir!
I don’t understand the devices with the blackberry style keyboard. What is the point of a keyboard that is too small to use for office tasks or gaming? Why not save on cost, bulk and complexity and just utilize a digital keyboard for the few times you actually need one on a handheld?
Can’t wait for mine 😊 I been using the ayaneo 2021 still and it’s holding up great still but I been waiting forever for this device.
love the reviews, retro corp. was curiuos, what are your favorite handheld pcs overall for your categories? idk lol
Yes the reborn of the sliding keyboard
Nevermind i aint selling my steamdeck for this
do you think the sticks on the rp4 and ayn odin 2 would fix all your issues with these switch style joysticks? I'm wondering how good they are, especially for FPS games
The sliding mechanism reminds me of old HTC slide out keyboard phones
Htc desire z had so many problems with the hinges . Had 3 and all had to be repaired at some point
When I grow up I wanna be a D-Pad engineer!
Been following you for a while and I like your videos. I got the Miyoo mini plus with onion OS, but I would like to get something more powerful. I want it to be able to play N64 and PS2. I love playing Conker, Ratchet, Jak and more. Does not need to be perfect. So my question is this. Which one would you recommend for N64 and PS2?
Can you test/check how the controls work in steam big picture mode for all future x64 handheld?
Has a air plus (mendo) and its really irritating there is no equivalent of xbox guide/steam menu button when in Big Picture mode.
Can't seem to find any software/mapping alternative either, the inbuilt aya software can only s
do win+G which is different.
Is it a big deal between getting the 16gb or 32gb of ram
does it have a menu option to choose between control / mouse, like on the ally?
The ayaneo flip DS is the one i am Extremely looking forward to.
Bro, the exposed slide mechanism from the back view looks risky after extended use 😮
that looks really cool and reminds me of the old days of cell phone keyboards. Don't see a need for a keyboard like that. Im looking to game on these not type out an email. Really not sure who this is for..
My problem with AYA is that they’re are releasing so many devices while their naming scheme doesn’t make any sense. How am I supposed to decide which one is better? Some newer devices are even less powerful than some older models, so you can’t just go and get the latest model.
14 devices in 36 months
I wish the PC handheld market wasn't full of console-type fanboys now. It's so stupid how much nonstop complaining and hating on any devices that aren't the one the commenter's mom bought them.
People don't seem to understand how lucky we are to have all these options or how companies like GPD or AYANEO may not be perfect, but they've helped shape this space and offer people options for years now... also the great news is if you aren't interested in something you don't have to buy it. We're basically all just trying to enjoy videogames and things we like. It's not a competition.
Comfort and controls makes the most impact on these handhelds. Which one has the best of both?
onexfly
Your pcsx2 settings must be wrong. You can play GOW2 at a locked 60fps on an 11w tdp. It definitely doesn't require 15w.
Good to know. If I ever plan to take a trip to Antarctica, I'll have to buy this so I get the adapters to run everything else.
that floating screen looks like pocket lint nightmare, imagine trying keep the grime and dust out of that open design.
Would you consider doing a 6 months later for the Loki max?
I love that tactile sliding screen sound.
If Valve made the Steam deck still have the trackpads and have a sliding screen with physical keyboard it would be so much better for a multi-purpose computer. Physical keyboard without trackpads is silly.
This but 7in and with the next gen amd in a few yrs, will be the one for me. Sticking with ayaneo geek 6800 for now
Can you run Adobe Premier Pro on this system just for super simple editing?
Pretty dope looking.. only set back is the price. Cost you an arm and a leg for that extra unique slide and keyboard feature. This is definitely something I'll spend money on if i had some lying around.
Should I get this or the Odin 2?
It would be cool if you could hit a button like a switchblade.
Definitely love this design above all others to date.
So no money was exchanged but.. I assume you keep the review product? You don't send it back right?
for that price I still don't understand why the handhelds aren't OLED
Air 1s
Screens aren't just sold like paint where you can just make them on the got.... First you need to find ANY supplier making an OLED screen that fits your needs, 16:9 OLED screen are not common, they have barely made it to laptops, let alone desktop monitors
@@jesusbarrera6916 that is true but there's a lot of cell phones that come in different sizes that have OLS screen hell their TVs that have all that screen that are different sizes so I'm sure they could make it happen and a lot of the phones are like $200 phones so that's why I feel like they could easily just make that happen
Best looking handheld
there should be a simpler version of ayaspace, maybe the user does not want to control every game with it and just wants to control power, fan and leds, there should at least be an option to skip or disable the game manager and launcher on startup and just start it minimized (it can be very slow to start)
Re games getting confused with the controls, maybe they could implement a workaround that would switch the keyboard off if the screen was in the closed position.
Is this powerful than ASUs rog ally??
what would you choose between them GPD win4 or Ayaneo Slide?
He obviously would prefer the Win 4 over the Slide since it comes with a trackpoint for the mouse aspect as well
That early bird pricing and solid black casing is making me a tad jealous with my ROG Ally. Also I have to admit the sliding screen is niche but cool.
kinda baffled they need a keyboard toggle for witcher. Like I don't remember any pc games that make me unplug my dang keyboard and mouse just to use a controller
You didn’t mention the price in don’t like
Excellent. Now the Aya Neo dual screen 🎉
Thanks!
So clean I’d love to put some hours into this
Well Russ, I won't be supporting Ayaneo anymore. I placed an order for parts for my Geek 1S on Nov. 8th. I have emailed them many times and got many different responses. When I ordered the parts, they were in stock on the website. Since then, the parts for the Geek 1s and 2S devices are no longer being sold. They don't seem to be supporting them. I was told my parts were shipped many times with the same tracking number being given with no updates on the tracking for almost two months. One response they admitted to not having the parts, but having them made and it going to take up to 2 weeks, but that was a month ago. I was told they were made over a week ago and shipped again. No updates since that.
i'm still waiting for the Ayaneo Flip DS
i love that kind of form factor
It looks sleek, almost like the steam deck with its color however, it would be a nightmare to accidentally drop this.
More than a nightmare for sure
And it being a handheld, you *will* drop it. Not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when".
I think that alone means people should carefully consider whether it's worth it to them. Everyone wants to be careful with their expensive hardware, but let me tell you, just days after getting my N3DS and heading back to college, my roommate managed to trip over my charging cable and fling my N3DS across the room (we had only one outlet in the room and it was in the walkway, because cheap-ass dorms).
It's a surprisingly durable system and thankfully didn't go tumbling around, so no damage to it whatsoever, but imagine if that happened with your giant clunky slide-out handheld device? While the screen's out, this thing would absolutely split apart or at least the contacts/cords inside the rails would get damaged. Even the old-school DS Lite eventually broke the plastic hinges just from opening and closing it a ton of times (mine lasted all the way from early high school until a couple years ago, probably about a decade or more, but even I had it happen to me eventually while replaying some Pokemon games).
Wear happens, too, and the more moving parts, the more complex the machinery, the more susceptible it becomes to issues.
I *love* the idea of a slide-out keyboard on a device like this, it has its perks... but for $1k? This thing is absolutely gonna break, I hope whoever buys it is prepared to pay out the ass for repairs or a replacement. You have to have serious cash to burn to get something like this, it's not even just about getting one, it's about the cost of replacement, repairs or alternative models down the line if this one starts to have problems and you can't justify using it anymore.
I dropped mine 3 times still intact though 1 button broke but easy to put back just glue it in
I would love to an office tour! I realy wonder how you store all of these devices 🤔
Great review, so much care
I like the sliding keyboard reminds me of the older days when i owned phones with like that.
We need consoles exactly like this but with detachable controllers and keyboards. Someone should make a standardize connector for the keyboard and controllers that's free to use so we can have market competition.
this device seems awesome, but I still have to go with GPD devices for the D Pad alone. The PS Vita clone D Pads are pretty much objectively the best design
I have an Ayaneo Geek and like it quite a bit, though I just wish the company had actual good customer support
would love to hear your thoughts on the Anyeo flip DS
Are you left handed? Weird question I know.
Can It Play On The TV
I am calling it Switch 2: same slide design but with an extra screen instead of keyboard and joy cons.
Update: I take that back looks like a fold out mechanism would be a better design.
Hey are going to review the E6 handheld 😮?