If it was a 2.8, it would already be in my cart! Haha. I have a Canon R5 and R5 c and really appreciate the Canon 16mm 2.8. It’s super light weight and quiet and is a perfect focal length for vlogging.
My dream lens would be this with F2.8. The little Sony 24 F2.8 is so great, but want it wider. So far, Sigma 16-28 F2.8 is doing ok, but I’m on a mission for the lightest lenses for ZVE1.
The zv-e10? You already have a great night lens with the 30mm. If you're filming yourself - you'll need something wider like the Sigma 16mm 1.4 or sony 11 1.8
Great job on the video Mark! Thanks for making it. Nice shout-out for Camera Conspiracies. Love that channel too! Once I get my fx30 (no later than july!) I will be pushing my a6400 into a primarily photo-centric role so this might be a lens I consider. My Sony 15mm F1.4 will be living on the new camera anyway, so I will need a second ultra-wide to go in my kit for when I'm just out taking photos for fun. Since that typically means being outdoors, I don't really need a crazy fast aperture for my use-case. Looks like it's even lighter than the Sony 15mm as well. Full-Frame too. Hmmmmm...
thank you very much for the illustrative review of both small format primes! Whereas I don't have any issues with the nifty-fifty, here my impressions and minus points about the 17 mm (translated by< google, pardon for any imprecise wordings therefore...): A short focal length, packed relatively compactly, is a good idea. Although the image quality is very good, except for the strong distortion in RAW (which costs image quality when corrected!), I have two points of criticism - the lens is actually much "too small" - measured against the 20 mm 2.0, its size would have been okay and would have fitted in very well with the series, at least with a speed of 2.8 IMPORTANT: that's why the classic B+W S-Pro filters (clear / UV) don't fit - the tube on which the lens hood is attached using a bayonet lock is narrower than the broader filter. Consequence: the filter protrudes slightly over the edge, the attachable bayonet hood no longer fits in! So I had to buy a new B+W Master Clear Filter for 40 E, which makes the following point even more important: - Measured by the mechanical aspects and the low "speed", I find the price too high, actually it should be at least 100 € cheaper I don't understand why Sigma (like many or actually all photo manufacturers unfortunately) doesn't ask the users beforehand about their wishes. In any case, I would have said that I find so much compactness for so little speed problematic. A bit bigger, but F 3.5 or 2.8 would have been great! I now use it as a second lens next to, for example, the Canon TS - E 17 mm shift lens - at least the focal length and perspective match So, dear company Sigma: set up a customer advisory board, then everything will be better
yes - the Sony lenses work better with dynamic stabilization. But if you manually tell the camera what focal length the 3rd party is - it will help a lot
Very interesting lens and review. Thank you ! I'm thinking of buying this lens for street photography on my APS-C A6400. The F4 is not a major problem for what I plan to shoot, and I really love the tiny size and the overall quality of the I series lenses. I already have the 20/2 and the 90/2.8 which are great, so this new 17/4 will probably be just as good.
Great review! I can see why this lens exists. I think i'll be opting for the Panasonic 14-28mm f4-5.6 though as not much more in price but more flexability. Tough choice though 🤓👍
Hi Mark! I know this video is over a year old, but any chance you remember what frame rate this was filmed at? Do you still film at this same frame rate today? I have a 16-25mm and it looks like this 17mm is wider than my 16mm, so maybe it's the magnification for 4k30 on my A7C.
I think you are better off with something with a wider aperture. Although it being small it’s good. I think the slightly wider Samyang is the best go to small travel and street video prime. I’d like to see you test the Samyang, especially when you get the E1, because that’s the set up I may move to (waiting for proper reviews on E1 by real users as I’m concerned about overheating). The wider Samyang will be more ideal as well for the dynamic stabilisation on the E1.
Hi Mark, If you are vlogging (with a ZVE1), and you want to use dynamic stabilization as you walk, do you reckon the 17mm will make a big difference compared to the Sony 20mm (which I already have)? Is it worth it? Thanks.
Now I just want to watch the opening b roll. Small and light at 220 grams and equally important wide enough that you could use for vlogging on the ZVE1 with dynamic stab as you noted (even 20 mm looks too close in that case). Are there any alternatives (wide, small and light)?
Voigtlander 15mm version 3. It’s only manual focus but at f8 I think everything from 0.5m to infinity is in focus and you can just leave it like that if you’re lazy
My thoughts exactly. An amazing lens, that's smaller, lighter, faster, and you can get one used for $200 (at least that's what I sold mine for... twice lol).
I have a question, i got the ZV-E10 with the kit lens for my birthday, and it's been a few months now and ive been thinking about getting another lens, but i dont have that much money... i have around 250 to spare on a lens, and i would be using it for general photography and filmmaking, What lens do you recommend?
I just pre ordered my zv e1 with the Sony 20mm , do u think I I should get this lense instead? I kno it’s cheaper but I’m wondering if it’s less quality
the Sony 20 1.8 is a better overall lens. that 1.8 is great. focus breathing compensation. it will be a little tighter for handheld vlogging on dynamic stabilization, but you can extend your arm just a little further. plus, you don’t always have to use dynamic stabilization. I find active is fine, Keep the 20
Great video! The lens, I'm having a hard time figuring out why I would want this. Seems like a solution looking for a problem. It appears to have some nice qualities, but I don't get the purpose of relatively slow primes. If I was looking in the $600 USD range, I know used copies of the Zeiss Batis 18mm f2.8 can be had for low 600s. Then I have something for low light, indoors, astro, basically anything ultra wide. If I'm "running and gunning" as the kids say, I don't want to worry about having enough lighting. For just a little more is Sony's own 20mm f1.8 with aperture ring and function button. On the other side of $600, image quality won't be as great but Samyang and Tamron have 18mm and 20mm, respectively, f2.8 lenses for about half the cost. On the wide end of things, the 3mm difference between 17 and 20mm is pretty big but then I'd be back at the Batis. Another lens I think looks great alone but better with the lens hood on. I would just rather shoot a 2.8 at f4 than wide open on an f4 lens. Ending with a question here, can you explain a technical and/or creative reason to have a slow prime? Thanks for the content!
@@NightTrainRides I agree the lens is a nice size and weight. Aside from the amount of light allowed, that f4 is going to have a larger dof. If one is going to be shooting at a smaller aperture to have more in focus, then it does make sense. For myself, I'd rather spend about the same for a lens with a larger aperture to use it when necessary to get more purpose from the one lens.
@@POVwithRC Nope, and just my opinion. I've learned that there's a user for every lens, no lens is for everyone, and I can never have enough lenses. :)
I wonder how L mount version would pair with S5II and S5IIX :D. Although Panasonic got 18mm F1.8 for 999$ while this Sigma is 599$ :o That 30% crop is kinda heavy. It would work better with Sony's 14mm :P.
the 14 is probably the one to get if you want to use dynamic stab all the time. I’m also going to test the 11 apsc and see what happens with dynamic stab
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis But APS-C on ZV-E1 will not give you 4k AFAIR :(, but maybe I'm wrong? I use APS-C lenses on my A7IV for video all the time. Samyang 12mm F2 is nice for vlogging, although A7IV stabilization isn't :D.
For the simple fact that I'm not going FF, there's no point in getting that lens :) For other systems though, that adds a lot of versatility. If I'm being strategic I think that's the perfect way for Sigma to get a lens onto the Canon RF ecosystem since it's a different focal length at 17mm than Canon would make. Provided it's available for Nikon, L Mount and RF then it's a killer Vlogging lens for those who can make it work either with the Catalyst Browse or proper IBIS like Panny Boy. Good job Sigma!
This looks more like a portrait lens than one for filmmaking. Unless you're going to use it for shooting daytime scenes. Definitely not a low light beast. More like a gerbil. I guess for minimum focus situations, it would be good. Buuut, at F4 I'm not really drawn to it. Still a very handsome review.
P.S. I found a 16mm f/2.8 Sony APS-C lens a while back that I bought for just over $120. It’s a short lens that I thought would be great for gimbal work. But, as is, it works great for my FX30.
@@kllaskas810 Even if they are great at low light, there is a big iso requirement difference between F4 and something like a 1.8 or 2.8. I should know. Edit: oh right, you are the retard. I still have you on mute from before. Stay there.
Hey love your videos man :) I recently purchased the ZV-E10 and i was wondering if you could make some more videos on that one ..? 😆 i know the zv-e1 just got released but at some point could you make some more ZV-E10 pls :)
That is a good looking lens! If I were in the market I'd still opt for the much lighter, faster and cheaper 18mm f/2.8 from Samyang. I just sold mine a few weeks ago in my move back to APS-C, and (in this range) the old standby Sigma 16mm f/1.4. Another great video Mark.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis that would be fantastic. I did a video awhile ago about how the old lens isn't getting enough love. The AF isn't horrible either.
I like the Tamron lens or the sigma 16-28 f2.8 even more than the Tamron , but they are much bigger and more expensive. This lens is extremely small and lightweight. And landscapes I take are well over f4 (which this lens is good for) and it’s great for Vlog style vids.
I get the Sony ZVE1 with this Sigma 17. Perfection. Light and balanced. Full frame in an APSC package.
Same here with sigma fp. You can basically leave it on manual focus which is a plus as a non sony user 😅
If it was a 2.8, it would already be in my cart! Haha. I have a Canon R5 and R5 c and really appreciate the Canon 16mm 2.8. It’s super light weight and quiet and is a perfect focal length for vlogging.
yes, 2.8 would have made this an instant buy for so many
Somehow I missed this small Canon :o
My dream lens would be this with F2.8. The little Sony 24 F2.8 is so great, but want it wider. So far, Sigma 16-28 F2.8 is doing ok, but I’m on a mission for the lightest lenses for ZVE1.
Not bad but at that price I think I could just jump up to the 16-28 f2.8 from sigma. Little bit wider, more versatile, and that 2.8.
yes, if the size is ok for you - superb lens
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis yeah I think it’s small enough, and that internal zoom does help keep it that way.☺️
Great video and lens review, Mark! 😊
Also, Love that you represented Canada at the outset of the video! 🇨🇦
Mark, great review! Your opening b-roll is getting more and more cinematic!
welcome to the cinema 🤣🤣
Traveling to Paris inane the ZV10 with sigma 30MM. I will be filming some night shots. Which lense should I buy?
The zv-e10? You already have a great night lens with the 30mm. If you're filming yourself - you'll need something wider like the Sigma 16mm 1.4 or sony 11 1.8
Great job on the video Mark! Thanks for making it. Nice shout-out for Camera Conspiracies. Love that channel too! Once I get my fx30 (no later than july!) I will be pushing my a6400 into a primarily photo-centric role so this might be a lens I consider. My Sony 15mm F1.4 will be living on the new camera anyway, so I will need a second ultra-wide to go in my kit for when I'm just out taking photos for fun. Since that typically means being outdoors, I don't really need a crazy fast aperture for my use-case. Looks like it's even lighter than the Sony 15mm as well. Full-Frame too. Hmmmmm...
thank you very much for the illustrative review of both small format primes! Whereas I don't have any issues with the nifty-fifty, here my impressions and minus points about the 17 mm (translated by< google, pardon for any imprecise wordings therefore...):
A short focal length, packed relatively compactly, is a good idea. Although the image quality is very good, except for the strong distortion in RAW (which costs image quality when corrected!), I have two points of criticism
- the lens is actually much "too small" - measured against the 20 mm 2.0, its size would have been okay and would have fitted in very well with the series, at least with a speed of 2.8
IMPORTANT: that's why the classic B+W S-Pro filters (clear / UV) don't fit - the tube on which the lens hood is attached using a bayonet lock is narrower than the broader filter. Consequence: the filter protrudes slightly over the edge, the attachable bayonet hood no longer fits in! So I had to buy a new B+W Master Clear Filter for 40 E, which makes the following point even more important:
- Measured by the mechanical aspects and the low "speed", I find the price too high, actually it should be at least 100 € cheaper
I don't understand why Sigma (like many or actually all photo manufacturers unfortunately) doesn't ask the users beforehand about their wishes. In any case, I would have said that I find so much compactness for so little speed problematic. A bit bigger, but F 3.5 or 2.8 would have been great!
I now use it as a second lens next to, for example, the Canon TS - E 17 mm shift lens - at least the focal length and perspective match
So, dear company Sigma: set up a customer advisory board, then everything will be better
Here for the cheese 😂😂 “what if I don’t send it back?”
Are Sony lenses more stable than third party lenses when Dynamic Stabilization is on? Thx
yes - the Sony lenses work better with dynamic stabilization. But if you manually tell the camera what focal length the 3rd party is - it will help a lot
Very interesting lens and review. Thank you !
I'm thinking of buying this lens for street photography on my APS-C A6400.
The F4 is not a major problem for what I plan to shoot, and I really love the tiny size and the overall quality of the I series lenses.
I already have the 20/2 and the 90/2.8 which are great, so this new 17/4 will probably be just as good.
Great review! I can see why this lens exists. I think i'll be opting for the Panasonic 14-28mm f4-5.6 though as not much more in price but more flexability. Tough choice though 🤓👍
Hi Mark! I know this video is over a year old, but any chance you remember what frame rate this was filmed at? Do you still film at this same frame rate today? I have a 16-25mm and it looks like this 17mm is wider than my 16mm, so maybe it's the magnification for 4k30 on my A7C.
Yup - that's easy - I shot the at 24fps. It's all I've ever used 😀
Great humor.. funny stuff at the same time.. what if i don’t sent it back.. huh” lol 😂.. absolutely BEST review!!
thanks!!
I do own the Sony 16-35mm F4 PZ Lens. Do I really need the Sigma 17mm f4?
The 16-35 ox is great and a small lens in its own right. stick with that
I don't know if Mark read this. I have also the 16-35 PZ F4 ... do you think the Sigma is sharper? because of the fix lens as the zoom lens?
I think you are better off with something with a wider aperture. Although it being small it’s good. I think the slightly wider Samyang is the best go to small travel and street video prime. I’d like to see you test the Samyang, especially when you get the E1, because that’s the set up I may move to (waiting for proper reviews on E1 by real users as I’m concerned about overheating). The wider Samyang will be more ideal as well for the dynamic stabilisation on the E1.
I’m going to try and get the Samyang in for sure
Hi Mark,
If you are vlogging (with a ZVE1), and you want to use dynamic stabilization as you walk, do you reckon the 17mm will make a big difference compared to the Sony 20mm (which I already have)? Is it worth it?
Thanks.
you will see a pretty big difference yes. but if you get a little tripod with a selfie extender you can compensate for the 20
Thank you, Mark.
That aperture range would be cool for daytime log shooting 🤔❤
Now I just want to watch the opening b roll. Small and light at 220 grams and equally important wide enough that you could use for vlogging on the ZVE1 with dynamic stab as you noted (even 20 mm looks too close in that case). Are there any alternatives (wide, small and light)?
there’s a samyang 18 - but I haven’t tested it. I want to see what the 11 looks like on the zv-e1 with active stab - it might crop past the vignette
Voigtlander 15mm version 3. It’s only manual focus but at f8 I think everything from 0.5m to infinity is in focus and you can just leave it like that if you’re lazy
Thanks for the video, but what about samyang (rokinon) 18mm 2.8 ?
My thoughts exactly. An amazing lens, that's smaller, lighter, faster, and you can get one used for $200 (at least that's what I sold mine for... twice lol).
If I utilize ISO settings through the ZV E1 but with the sigma lens that's not great for low light, will it still be ok because of the camera itself?
zv-e1 is great at high ISO's - especially 12,800 (2nd base) but don't go TOO crazy :)
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Thanks so much for the response!
I have a question, i got the ZV-E10 with the kit lens for my birthday, and it's been a few months now and ive been thinking about getting another lens, but i dont have that much money... i have around 250 to spare on a lens, and i would be using it for general photography and filmmaking, What lens do you recommend?
try the Viltrox 23 1.4 amzn.to/43jC3Zw
or the sigma 30mm amzn.to/3zx51qS
I just pre ordered my zv e1 with the Sony 20mm , do u think I I should get this lense instead? I kno it’s cheaper but I’m wondering if it’s less quality
the Sony 20 1.8 is a better overall lens. that 1.8 is great. focus breathing compensation. it will be a little tighter for handheld vlogging on dynamic stabilization, but you can extend your arm just a little further. plus, you don’t always have to use dynamic stabilization. I find active is fine, Keep the 20
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Great video! The lens, I'm having a hard time figuring out why I would want this. Seems like a solution looking for a problem. It appears to have some nice qualities, but I don't get the purpose of relatively slow primes. If I was looking in the $600 USD range, I know used copies of the Zeiss Batis 18mm f2.8 can be had for low 600s. Then I have something for low light, indoors, astro, basically anything ultra wide. If I'm "running and gunning" as the kids say, I don't want to worry about having enough lighting. For just a little more is Sony's own 20mm f1.8 with aperture ring and function button. On the other side of $600, image quality won't be as great but Samyang and Tamron have 18mm and 20mm, respectively, f2.8 lenses for about half the cost. On the wide end of things, the 3mm difference between 17 and 20mm is pretty big but then I'd be back at the Batis. Another lens I think looks great alone but better with the lens hood on. I would just rather shoot a 2.8 at f4 than wide open on an f4 lens. Ending with a question here, can you explain a technical and/or creative reason to have a slow prime? Thanks for the content!
Size and weight. With the great iso performance of the new cameras, F4 is enough for some people.
@@NightTrainRides I agree the lens is a nice size and weight. Aside from the amount of light allowed, that f4 is going to have a larger dof. If one is going to be shooting at a smaller aperture to have more in focus, then it does make sense. For myself, I'd rather spend about the same for a lens with a larger aperture to use it when necessary to get more purpose from the one lens.
It sounds like it isn't for you.
@@POVwithRC Nope, and just my opinion. I've learned that there's a user for every lens, no lens is for everyone, and I can never have enough lenses. :)
@@BorealisOffroad Yep
I wonder how L mount version would pair with S5II and S5IIX :D. Although Panasonic got 18mm F1.8 for 999$ while this Sigma is 599$ :o
That 30% crop is kinda heavy. It would work better with Sony's 14mm :P.
the 14 is probably the one to get if you want to use dynamic stab all the time. I’m also going to test the 11 apsc and see what happens with dynamic stab
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis But APS-C on ZV-E1 will not give you 4k AFAIR :(, but maybe I'm wrong?
I use APS-C lenses on my A7IV for video all the time. Samyang 12mm F2 is nice for vlogging, although A7IV stabilization isn't :D.
For the simple fact that I'm not going FF, there's no point in getting that lens :)
For other systems though, that adds a lot of versatility. If I'm being strategic I think that's the perfect way for Sigma to get a lens onto the Canon RF ecosystem since it's a different focal length at 17mm than Canon would make. Provided it's available for Nikon, L Mount and RF then it's a killer Vlogging lens for those who can make it work either with the Catalyst Browse or proper IBIS like Panny Boy. Good job Sigma!
Does it work on ZV-e10?
for sure - but I would recommend the sony 11mm 1.8 for a wide angle lens for the ZV-E10
This looks more like a portrait lens than one for filmmaking. Unless you're going to use it for shooting daytime scenes. Definitely not a low light beast. More like a gerbil. I guess for minimum focus situations, it would be good. Buuut, at F4 I'm not really drawn to it. Still a very handsome review.
lol why do you need a low light beast? if it's for filmmaking. sony cameras are great in low light
P.S. I found a 16mm f/2.8 Sony APS-C lens a while back that I bought for just over $120. It’s a short lens that I thought would be great for gimbal work. But, as is, it works great for my FX30.
@@kllaskas810 Even if they are great at low light, there is a big iso requirement difference between F4 and something like a 1.8 or 2.8. I should know.
Edit: oh right, you are the retard. I still have you on mute from before. Stay there.
Fast longer lenses are what one would want for portraits.
Hey love your videos man :)
I recently purchased the ZV-E10 and i was wondering if you could make some more videos on that one ..? 😆
i know the zv-e1 just got released but at some point could you make some more ZV-E10 pls :)
I will be making more - but if you check out the channel - I have many, many ZV-E10 videos
Great review. Small typo in the title.
dammit - thanks
That is a good looking lens! If I were in the market I'd still opt for the much lighter, faster and cheaper 18mm f/2.8 from Samyang. I just sold mine a few weeks ago in my move back to APS-C, and (in this range) the old standby Sigma 16mm f/1.4. Another great video Mark.
I have to get that Samyang in here!!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis that would be fantastic. I did a video awhile ago about how the old lens isn't getting enough love. The AF isn't horrible either.
Rokinon/Samyang 18mm F2.8 rocks - half price and lighter but no aperture ring :)
gonna try to get that in here for a vid 👍
Not sure why they just didn’t made f2.8
would have been great - but I'm assuming size and price pushed them to f4
Much rather get any other lens ranging from PZ 16-35, Sigma 16-28, Tamron 17-28, Tamron 20-40, Samyang 18 2.8
those are more versatile for sure. but this one is so small and light it definitely has a place
I don't understand this lens. It's first f4 prime lens for sony e-mount (except 600mm f4) and it's heavy for what it is.
290g is a very light full frame lens lens (0,63 pounds)
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Much rather get an f/4 zoom for 100g more.
Samyang 18mm f2.8 is 145g.
More over in L-mount there is Panasonic 18mm f/1.8 at 340g. I feel I'm too stupid to comprehend this lens.
Yikes. The price of this f4 is more that double a couple of Viltrox f1.8 lenses, pity.
Yes - that viltrox lens has changed the game
honestly I would say, spend a couple hundred more and get the tamron 17-28
not a bad plan. it’s heavier - but more versatile
title is very cleaver marketing with Sonys "new release" 😉
it was smart
I think you will definitely forget your duggy zve10 one day as its big brother will come to you soon...
no way - dougie is the big dog on the channel
Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 is much better buy than this lens . The ability to zoom and the Faster aperture makes is much better
Anything is a better buy than this lens. It looks nice though.
lol but the size is an important factor tbh, i dont want to carry around a big lens
I like the Tamron lens or the sigma 16-28 f2.8 even more than the Tamron , but they are much bigger and more expensive. This lens is extremely small and lightweight. And landscapes I take are well over f4 (which this lens is good for) and it’s great for Vlog style vids.
It's just too slow. It's prime so it should be 1.8 at least.
Mark, when are you going on vacation? For like a month? I could even pay you...(it would probably cost me less than all these new gear videos). [wink]
send me to Hawaii - and I’ll make reviews there!!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis You handsome scoundrel, you. Called my bluff...