Aircraft hits PERSON on runway!
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2020
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A horrible incident happened yesterday 08/05/2020 in Austin, Texas, USA. A Boeing 737-700 from Southwest airlines reported that they had seen, and possibly hit, a person on the runway. The airport sent out a medic vehicle who found a deceased male person on the runway.
The involved aircraft received damaged to the left hand engine-nacelle but there were no further injuries to passengers and crew.
In this video I want to explain a bit about the options we, the pilots, have in order to avoid runway collisions and obstacles.
My thoughts goes out to the involved person, crew and the friends and family of the deceased.
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Most of us can't even avoid a deer at highway speeds. They never had a chance.
In fact, depending on the weather and road conditions, the vehicle you're driving, the speed you're traveling, and how early you see the deer (or other animal), in many instances you're putting your own life and the lives of your passengers in increased danger if you swerve to try to miss the animal. In those cases, it's best to just hit it. The same would be true for a human on the road or the runway. The question of "could anything have been done?" is valid, but when you consider the limited options a car driver has for a deer that suddenly appears on the road, you have to realize that an airplane pilot's options are MUCH more limited, with virtually nothing they can do to miss a human or animal suddenly appearing on the runway.
*Darwin*
Well. He won’t do it again
60mph and and a female not deer but a simmilar animal jumped in front of my motorcycle. at 12mph they where able to pass me without a free meal-
@@talkofchrist 2 years ago, on 2 separate occasions in the span of 2 months, i hit a deer in my vehicle, they ran into me not the other way around. a jet plane, its gotta barrel on through man
I can not fathom how any rational person could hold pilots responsible for this. The person should not have been there and every possible precaution has been taken to assure that. No system is perfect. Keep up the great work!
Im no pilot but who in a sane mine blame the pilots! ridiculous.
МРЪСНА ГАЗ - well if they are killed, the driver’s life is ruined regardless of the circumstances. Most never recover.
Pearson could have been suicidal.
K3th. B.W - you think?
It's really a pretty simple calculation: The pilots can not risk the lives of all the passengers on the plane in an effort to save the life one person who has no business being on that runway.
The fact you had to explain why a 60 ton machine going 100+mph couldn't miss a tiny human in the dark means that people are pretty dense when it comes to aircrafts. 🤦🏻♀️
Its like driving a car times 1000..
"...means that people are pretty dense when it comes to aircrafts." - There's no need to be so restrictive. A lot of people are extremely dense, full stop -- the subject doesn't matter. The scary thing is that people are becoming stupider every year. I'm genuinely concerned what the state of the general population will be in 10 or 20 years.
You got that right
I’m retired now and my wife says go join a bunch of clubs . Spent life with stupid people and I’m going to search for them when I retire ?
@@nomore6167 People aren't getting more stupid. Stupid opinions and stupid contributions are getting thrust into the spotlight more and more, that's all.
@@josephjackson7269 :). Get a dog or a cat, probably better conservation
As a Semi-truck driver for over 20 years, when I first heard about this incident a couple things came to mind. 1. I was surprised the pilots actually saw the individual prior to impact let alone where able to try and avoid (thinking blind spots, and the speed the plane is going at touch down). 2. How did that individual get onto the runway area. Hats off to the pilots for not over reacting and putting all the people on the plane at risk of serious injury or death.
Holy shit! I live in Austin, and work in that airport at times, and I heard NOTHING about this until now.
What I don’t understand is how a human doesn’t see a gigantic plane coming right at them. I mean, planes aren’t quiet…it makes me think it was a suicide attempt (and subsequent success) 😞
@@KDu400 Out on the tarmac, it would be so loud from all of the planes coming and going, I could see someone not hearing one more plane until it was literally right on top of them, especially if they were staff wearing required hearing protection. What they were doing out there in the first place, on a runway designated by ATC for an incoming flight, and not looking around their surroundings is the better question.
@@KDu400 Yep. There is a university library, that has a life size picture of an approaching 747 like plane, on one of the huge walls. The idea is, a threatening picture keeps brains alert. Run for your life!
@@Trainwreck_Art No airport staff would be in that location EVER. It had to be a trespasser. I worked at an airport. Staff would would be in a vehicle and in direct radio communication with ATC and ground controllers. You can't drive or be anywhere without permission.
I lost it when someone suggested to use the radar to detect an intruder on the runway.
Come on man! It s a Boeing 737 not a Tesla.
Teslas dont recognize class8 trucks ferchrissakes
In my naivety, I would have expected the Aviation Herald to attract fairly intelligent comments...obviously not. So stupid, it’s painful. TCAS for humans on the runway! Wince.
I think that's why you have to look at every comment on social media as a comment from any actual 10 yr old. It helps me deal with some of the weird responses and not reply with some knee-jerk response.
As an aviation forecaster I also had a cringe at the radar comment. Oooof. *facepalm*
@J Hemphill Nothing can be made foolproof. Fools are very ingenious.
This is similar to what us railroad crews deal with when involved in crossing incidences and people walking on the tracks. I've been involved in four incidences. It is a helpless feeling when traveling at 50mph on a 10,000 ton train and someone pulls out in front of you in a vehicle or is walking near the tracks and doesn't respond to the train horn and bell. There is no way to stop the train in time to avoid a collision and obviously no way to steer clear of the vehicle or person walking. I hope the crew seeks out and receives some professional guidance in dealing with the trauma.
Rod Ney As a train engineer who hit a 10 y old kid in 2011, I can say you re 100 percent right about the lack of options we have in these situations.
In France you re immediately off your duty and you re given the possibility to meet a psychologist and a few days off.
So sorry this has happened to you. All the best.
@@Boss_Tanaka as a 7 to 10 year old, I frequently walked on railway tracks. I sometimes do it alone, sometimes with my friends, my cousins, or my parents. Our house was 10m from the railway track. I cannot imagine how anyone can get hit by a train. Unless they were deaf. Trains are crazy loud, and the tracks don't have sharp turns. You can see them coming from far away, and all you had to do is to step off the tracks. The only problem are bridges with no where to step off to. If a train comes while you're on the track there, you're SOL. This is why we never walk those bits of the track.
It's frightening just how many train drivers have had this happen to them. I honestly can't imagine the helpless feeling as someone steps onto the tracks.
I know a lot of cases involve people deciding to end their lives and that's tragic but the "accidents" infuriate me. Why can't people wait 2 minutes before walking or driving across a crossing. They put themselves, the driver and any passengers in danger. Then, if the unfortunate does happen, they will likely traumatise the driver. It's incredibly selfish
@@danielch6662 People today are so engrossed in their phones and portable media, I can see how they might not know a train is coming :(
Former truck driver here. We were told don't try to avoid deer on the road. That goes for cars, too. Michigan DOT had a safety campaign where they said, "don't veer for deer". There was no way to avoid that guy. Whoever he was put a lot of effort into getting past airport security to get where he was. It was either suicide or trying the stunt in the movie Pushing Tin where Billy Bob Thornton would stand on a runway to feel the wake turbulence. That's a stupid thing to try.
If you want to experience wake turbulence, you need to do it at a safe altitude, while skydiving. I have personally never had difficulty in recovering stability,& actually found it great fun doing a deliberately unstable exit from Beechcraft. Nothing remotely like a jet, but you will tumble like a leaf for a couple thousand feet due to prop blast. Obviously, NOT recommended unless you're experienced,& at a good altitude( above 10,000 feet)! Rule of thumb: if you're not sure what altitude you are at, deploy main canopy! Improper attitude positioning may cause a malfunction if you are not flat and stable,& you need time to cut away/ deploy reserve if required.
Gosh, it was fun, though!😁
It was actually ruled a suicide.
In the late sixties as 16 year old kid under the influence of alcohol, my friend and I hopped over twenty feet of coiled barbed wire to access the touch down zone of an international airport. At night we would lie on our backs and wait for large passenger planes to land over our heads. We would gage where to lie by the black ties marks on the tarmac. On each successive landing we would move further down the runway trying to get as close as possible to the belly of the plane. Each time we did this airport security would scramble a vehicle with a yellow blinking light and we would run like hell. It’s amazing we didn’t get killed during those thrill seeking years. Of course now there is a huge fence that you would need to cut in order to breech and it’s likely you would be caught within minutes.
If you live in an a rural area with lots of deer, you know that deer veer at you.
I feel so sorry for the pilot. Even if he couldn't do anything to prevent it, he must felt terrible.
Yes such an unfortunate incident, pilot could not do anything.
Hi Petter, well said as usual. As a former military pilot with thousands of landings, there is no way this person on the runway could have been avoided. You described it so well. Thanks!! - Dean from Minnesota USA
Hi Dean! Yes, I feel that when these types of tragedies happen it’s very important that people understand the facts.
Thanks for your support!
Dean Danielson Fellow Veteran Thank You for your Service . I'm a US Air Force Veteran & VA Retiree as well .
I’m certainly no expert but even I can see it’d be impossible to miss.
Dean thank you for your service I myself am 13 I want to be in the Air Force
@@noahandcamsadventures1296 Go for it! There's no reason you can't do what you want and go into the Airforce.
I'm just going to go ahead and say this. If you get hit by a plane landing on a runway, regardless of the circumstances, it was your fault. Period.
Well said
Funny, that's just what the law seems to say about it too. (see above) Go figure.
I whole heartedly agree
For sure
Let me add train tracks to the list of places where if you get hit, it's entirely your fault.
if the go-around was not filmed some angry words would have come out of the co-pilot to that flap
Yep 😂
@@MentourPilot Was not this go-around filmed in a Flight Simulator? If so, I'm sure a company lending a right seat copilot would not have spent hundreds of dollars for a high paid company pilot to spend the day there filming.......(use student pilot in the right seat, evidenced by shaking hand on Flap lever, reaching for the ALT knob in error).
I listened to the atc for this incident. You could hear the pilot's tone change when he first told atc. Must have been a truly traumatic experience.
Wow, this brings back some memories. I was a Tower controller in Darwin, Australia late 1970's. Early morning arrival, a DC9 if I recall, had been cleared to land. Final scan of the runway with binoculars when the DC9 was about 1 mile final. Uh Oh, there's a person wandering across the runway about 1000' from the landing threshold. Appeared to be drunk the way he was stumbling along. I advised the aircraft to "go round" and told him of the problem and the location. The cool response I got was "that's OK tower, I think we can miss him"! I could see the aircraft change attitude and apply power (black exhaust in the early morning light) and I assumed he would continue with the go round. As I was coordinating with the approach controller for a clearance, to my astonishment, the aircraft climbed to about 50 to 60 feet and then proceeded to settle back down on the runway for a landing. Fortunately Darwin's runway was 11,000ft long so there was plenty of room and the aircraft landed about 500ft. past the touchdown bracket markers. So cool, never forget that or the words. The airfield police chased this guy all over the place before finally stopping him. Comment from them was "eyes as big as dinner plates"!
This very nearly became a Darwin story of another sort.
Thanks for the story bandit! Iam Currently studying aviation in Darwin.
Cool to hear some Aussie stories
Thank you for the story !!!!!!!
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The runway was 11000ft long? That's a typo right?
You helped my aunt get over her fear of flying, thank you, captain ❤️
Ohhh, that makes me so happy to hear!
The more of these videos I watch, the less I want to fly.
My aunt now has a fear of walking on runways, thank you, captain ❤️
Yes, much safer inside the aeroplane than on the runway.
@@MarkDekkersLife I share that fear 😧
*Final year law student here. For those wondering about the legality of the situation and who's to blame:* The victim's families in no way can blame the Airline, pilots or the airport security for this incident or file a suit. In law, there is a doctrine called "Voluntary assumption of risk". It basically means that if a person voluntarily puts themselves in a situation _(person walking on the runway I would assume voluntarily)_ where they know injury can be a result _(you have to know its a fuckin runway and those tend to be dangerous if you walk on them)_ , they are not able to bring a claim against the other party _(the airlines, pilots or airport security)_ ...
There is no suit here... This is a defence for the tort of Negligence which would be the most probable claim against the airport security claiming security negligence... But here the defence of Voluntary Assumption of risk comes into play (for airport security) as the victim (deceased person) would be fully aware that he put himself in a situation that was dangerous...
Well, anyone can file a suit for anything. But any suit about this would surely be insta-dismissed. One question, though -- presumably voluntary assumption of risk requires that the person understands that they are in a risky situation? If a child or person with learning difficulties got onto an airfield, they might not understand that they were in danger, so would that still apply? I can imagine liability if, for example, a child or person with learning difficulties walked through a gaping hole in the fence, right? (Just as a hypothetical; not suggesting that this happened here.)
@@beeble2003 It never ever happen so it's not makes much sense to ask . Imao court would dismiss it anyway ..
@@axa897 It makes perfect sense to ask and it, or something like it, has surely happened hundreds of times. Children and adults with learning difficulties get themselves into dangerous situations that they don't understand, all the time.
@@beeble2003 In that case the blame would lie with whomever has legal guardianship or custody of the victim for allowing them to put themselves into a potentially fatal situation. Unless it is shown that there is actual negligence, such as the airport or airline knowing in advance that there was an incompetent individual who could wander onto the runway and failing to take appropriate precautions, there is still no liability to them.
@@fighteer1 I can't believe that's true. Parents are not required to maintain 24/7 watch over their children. Children are allowed to leave the home unsupervised.
When I started learning how to ride, I was shocked at how invisible you are as a biker at night without reflectors. Even with headlights on, from inside a car you can completely miss a biker 20 feet in front of you with poor street lighting. Never overestimate visibility.
A motorcycle hides behind an A pillar. I move my head side to side to try to see past the A pillar but recently a large motorcycle with two riders suddenly appeared "out of nowhere." It was perfectly timed with my head movement. The motorcycle had run a stop sign.
Reflectors!!!!!! I scared the shit (sadly) out of a couple and their child in a stroller one night when I stopped and begged them not to walk at night without reflectors. I drive very slowly in my neighborhood because it’s safer and because we are cat friendly. However, in the dark, I didn’t see them and they were in the middle of the street. Had I been driving fast and not being aware, I surely would have hit them. I scared the hail out of them with how I approached them but I’ve never seen them repeat that very dangerous move🥺
@@fairyprincess911 It's much kinder to scare the shit out of someone than to turn them into roadkill. I know I would have appreciated it if I were them.
@@karigami either way, you'd scare the shit out of them. One is a bit less pleasant, however.
Yeah that's true. I've never had a driver's license, or a car - and I'm in my 40s. I just don't want one. I don't want a car, and I hate driving. So I bus, or walk, or bike. Now, because I have very little driving experience (I had a learner's lisence in my teens, so drove a little, then realized I hated everything about it), I also had basically no idea how not-visible I was on my bike.
It wasn't until I was a passenger in a car, one night, when a person was biking in an irresponsible manner, too close to the car, that I realized. Well, I went right out and got reflective strips and stuff for both myself and my bike.
can we all pay our respects to the crew and airport workers of this flight who have gone though a very unprecedented and traumatic experience and to the deceased's family, friends, colleagues. accidents like these are extremely rare in the aviation world.
Absolutely, my heart goes out to all of them, including the victim (most of us are assuming this was suicide) and his family, but it is very sad that the crew will have to live with this event as well as it was through no fault of their own. As someone who knows well what it is like to live most of his life in the shadow of Complex PTSD (from years of abuse as a child), and battling depression and suicidal ideation off and on, I really hope the crew receive proper mental health counseling as the earlier the trauma is addressed and resolved the less difficulty they will have getting over the event, though it will stay with them in some capacity for life and they will forever be changed by it in some capacity. I hope they can heal soon!
Honestly, the pilot should be commented instead of criticized. He was caught in an extremely rare and sudden circumstance and yet he reacted very calmly and accurately to try his best to salvage the situation without jumping and overreacting which could have caused a disaster. Most people who get jump scare by an obstacle while driving their cars would just break that wheel and drive off the road.
How about we pay respects to the man who tried to headbutt an airplane? 😆
Wait wait wait, we haven't finished paying our respect to the tens of thousands of train drivers in the world
@@benghazi4216 One USA RR has a locomotive driver training video in which trainees are told that the average driver (USA "engineer") will be driving when five people are killed. There's not much that a driver can do. Commenters and newscasters often say that the train went into emergency but if the train is moving at very much speed they don't. The risk of causing the train to buckle and throw cars off of the track by an emergency brake application is too great, especially on curved track. A freight train may have Liquefied Petroleum Gas (propane/butane), chlorine, fuels, all sorts of poisonous, flammable and explosive cargo aboard. The driver will set the brakes at a Service setting to bring the train to a stop.
I was construction manager for Safair Hangars at JHB in 1989 when a worker decided it was easier to cross the runway to get to work, than go around the perimeter road to the building site. A Zambian Airways DC-10 aborted landing prompting an $5,000 bill for fuel. While a runway is 60m wide, it will take about 20 seconds to run cross a runway. In that time, a landing plane has moved 1400m towards the crossing point. It is easy to misjudge the speed of an aircraft when it is heading towards you!
Good for them for asking for the money. I hope the guy had to pay it from his own pocket.
Frankly, if a person jumps umder a train or an airplane, the operating companies should have all the right to sue them (their heirs) for the damages caused. Including the psychological trauma for the pilot/driver and the delay/inconvenience caused for the hundreds of the passengers.
That engine was probably more expensive than the guys house....
@@panda4247 That's not really fair to the family of the deceased who are also suffering, and from more than just monetary losses.
@@ateslabattery115 well, it's also not fair to everybody involved (passengers, drivers, pilots) that they have to suffer some trauma because somebody decided to jump under their vehicle. And also monetary losses (to the company operating the vehicle, to the people being late to their jobs, etc).
I agree with you that the family should not pay it from their own money (i.e. they are not accountable for actions of their relatives; this is not China where 3 generations get in prison for crimes of one person...).. What I meant was that the property of the person whose fault it was, should cover it, even if the person is dead. I.e. the heirs would only get the rest after the damages have been paid.
It's like... if I buy a house and get a mortgage and I have to pay each month... if I die, the responsibility to pay does not vanish and my family does not get the house for free.
If my family does not have the money to continue paying, they can decline inheriting my property, and the bank will take it. If they want to keep the house they have to continue paying.
The same should apply here. The responsibility to pay for the damages the guy caused, should not vanish just because he died.
If the damages were bigger than the guy's property, then the family could decline inheriting; the people claiming the damages would split the property.
The long-term effect of this could be that people would stop committing suicides in ways that "hurt/damage" other people. Which is a good thing.
Mentour Pilot truly has both a lot of patience and an educational soul! Having to explain why either the weather radar or the TCAS would not be of any help reveals all his tolerance with those that don’t have a slightest clue on what they are talking about.
Yep, where does he find the patience? 1. How many times in my nearly 60 years of life and paying attention to the news have I heard a thing like this: one. and 2. Radar and TCAS to deal with the once-in-a-lifetime situation in point 1.??? Ridiculous.
I mean, he is an instructor, so he is probably very used to talk with people that have no idea about anything. Of course pilots in training would probably have at least enough knowledge to not try to suggest something so stupid like using weather radar to detect a person on the runway, but i am sure they also say many things that sound equally stupid to very experienced pilots.
*I Love CharLes DarWin!!!!*
yes. and that understanding patience is part of why some of us are drawn to his channel
Along with demonstrating lack of sense, it reveals they have no understanding of physics.
I really feel sorry for the crew and hope they get all the wellbeing support they need. Their nightmares may never end.
That flap lever is almost ready for an INOP tag.
Yep... I have my tee shirt ready!
@@MentourPilot I was thinking while watching that video of the refused landing, it would be interesting to see a similar one, if the pilot observing was disabled. Is that something you've drilled in training?
That little bit of rudder probably saved a much more gory picture.
@@MentourPilot no,its serious,in all videos that guy always struggle to move that lever.
please take no offense,but either the lever is bad or he needs some exercise at the gym.seems like one day he will brake his wrist.
@@MentourPilot Can I get one of those please! Thanks in advance 👏
This is not some worker who wandered onto the runway or was working on the runway. Tower would have been aware of that 1000%. The aircraft was cleared to land on the runway they landed on (not on the wrong one, which has happened). That means Tower believed the runway was clear.
So the person was unknown to the tower controller. Why does a person jump the perimeter fence, wearing no reflective garments, and find his way onto an active runway at the *exact* moment a huge and well-lighted airliner is touching down? The previous plane landed 20 minutes earlier so if his intent was to cross the runway he had loads of time to do it between landings.
It is highly plausible, but not yet certain, that the person intended to be where he was when he was. It's a tragedy, no question. We'll see what the person's intent was as the investigation unfolds. But there should be zero question that there was very little the pilots could have done to avoid him and it sucks that they were put in this situation.
Yeah very similar to peoples jumping in front of a subway train! Very sad but these crazy times definitely push more peoples to suicide...
I agree. This only makes sense to me if it was intentional. It may, still, have been very poor decision making. Like kids crossing highways, except crazier.
Wow, that sounds like a very involved way of committing suicide.
Tragic loss of life but what could it be but suicide by jet engine man people need help that they're not getting if that's the case what else would he be doing out there or he or she wow.
Ok the person is dead but, in my mind this was nothing short of a criminal act on his behalf.
He could have possibly caused a disaster with his action, putting in danger the lives of all on the plane.
As it goes, he was hit by the side of the engine cell.. if he was taken _inside_ the turbine blades, the pilots could possibly have major problems applying reverse thrust..
I always love when we get the POV of maneuver/checklist/procedure being executed in the simulator. It really bangs in how hard it is for mistakes to slip through when every step is read off and confirmed by both pilots. It’s extremely reassuring and I’m not even afraid of flying.
The final investigation found no significant fault with the pilots or the airport. The area was surrounded by high security fences on all sides among numerous other security measures, and the intruder, 22-year-old Junin Ko, snuck in and was not authorized. The best guess was suicide, which is awful as it could have traumatized many other workers. No doubt the airport has looked at additional security measures since then.
Thanks for the update. Wish people would choose a way to end it all (if they are determined to do so) that didn't traumatize others. Or (SO much better!!!) seek help!!
Suicide seems a stretch. That's a helluva lot of work and effort to go through for something you could easily accomplish in a myriad of other ways. My guess would be human stupidity, amplified by alcohol or drugs
@@lonewolf5238 I wouldn't say suicide was a stretch, if someone is suicidal they're also by definition in an unstable mental state, deciding to do so in some way that makes some sort of public statement isn't all that unusual.
I was one of those posters on the AVHerald telling others that the pilots couldn't do anything to avoid the guy. Thank you for posting this!
no one would try to go around not knowing what damage had been caused, the undercarriage or engine could have been on the point of failure.
My first thought was, "What the hell was someone doing on the runway?!"
wycombe wanderer - I suspect the people who thought they could do a go around, were thinking they would be able to BEFORE the man was hit. Not after the plane hit someone or something.
@@lottiestanley7696 Yep, but you see, you aren't gonna avoid somebody. Especially in an comertial airliner in a dusk landing. And even if you have spiderman like senses and would've predicted that, the person still would've died because of the jetwash of TOGA thrust. So I don't see the fault with the pilots and hope that they feel alright.
The Legacy once reverse thrust and breaking has begun...... theres no going back
I used to fly. I left the airlines for the Railroad, with the understanding I'll average 3 pedestrian strikes in my career. If the crew happens upon this comment: Take the counseling if its offered. Don't rush back to the seat.
The difference is that on the railway it's almost inevitable that people will put themselves in the part of a train and the support services to deal with the consequences are usually readily available. On the other hand aerodromes in general and airports in particular are far better secured than most rail tracks so this sort of tragedy is relatively very rare. I only hope that the pilots involved will have the support they are likely to need.
You can have the best security in the world but if someone is determined enough they'll always find a way to break through any security and sadly in this case a human life was lost because of it, this wasn't the fault of the pilot because it's all on the individual on the ground
Correct
Tell that to area 51
@@DeluxHippopatumus The thing with Area 51 is they've almost certainly got many layers of security. Probably more than anyone who doesn't have clearance to be on that base knows about - any security you can see, you can plan for, so the best security is to make enough layers that there are a couple of layers that nobody on the outside knows they have to plan for them. That kind of security works for highly controlled and secretive air bases or whatever Area 51 actually is. It works for private residences of VIPs like the White House and, especially, country retreats. It doesn't work for major commercial hubs - at some point it just gets in the way.
Take a look at the Berlin wall. From the Soviet side. Getting into the NATO side of Berlin was a harrowing ordeal of inspections and suspicious, armed guards ready to gun you down if you looked at them funny. And yet, NATO intelligence services got people through that on a semi-regular basis. Why? Largely because it had to have limits on just how difficult it was to get through because there needed to be *some* degree of permeability to the public.
Actually, the fault lies entirely with airport security (not necessarily the individuals, but the security apparatus as a whole). Airport security (or, more accurately, the failure of it) is what allowed that individual to get onto the runway. The people who designed the airport security probably felt that someone walking onto the runway was an unlikely scenario, thus not worth the cost it would take to prevent it from happening, but that doesn't change anything. What if this individual had malicious intent and had set explosives on the runway instead of walking onto the runway? This was a massive and grave failure of airport security.
Hey no more. “No more “
15:30 "Feelings for the crew" - having watch a UK series called "The Tube" - about the London underground train network, one episode of the series was called "One Under" and dealt with people falling under trains - whether suicide or not.
A few of the train drivers affected by the experience NEVER drove a train again from that moment on.
Do people really expect that a 60+ tonne machine going at more than triple highway speed can simply steer around something in short notice
Yes, because half of everyone you will ever interact with are of below average intelligence. If you don't believe me, try working retail during the holiday season.
*This was a WeLL Done, Quick & Easy Suicide!!!!*
Have you seen the number of people who cut off 18-wheelers going at highway speeds? People are crazy.
😁😁😁
Yes, some people are just that ignorant and have little or no understanding of basic physics.
ATC here. Great vid. We have an 11k feet runway where I work, at the best of times no human eye can detect anything but a vehicle in the runway. A guy on the runway during dusk, we'll never see that. I feel really bad for the personnel/staff involved. It's horrible.
Is the stress of your job made up for thru ur pay? Just curious if u guys make good $$? Kind of personal I know but I had to ask
@@lorenbillings5829 So I break down or stress as "dynamic stress" where it's intense when you're doing the job, but you can't really take it home with you. Unlike say a corporate job where you might have a huge project looming over your head. If I'm not plugged in, why would I be stressed. In terms of pay, it's pretty good, and I think justified for the job. at least here in Australia. But we're always short on people. I think the whole world is short of controllers.
@@harosokman thanks for sharing!
I've worked both in the fire department and in medicine and sometimes you have to make these hard choices, knowing that it's a life or death situation. In this situation, you have to think of how many people you are flying behind you on the plane versus this one guy on the runway who has the full benefit of 1) knowing he is on an active runway, 2) being able to see the many lights on plane coming in to land, and 3) being able to hear the roar of the engines approaching. It's not necessarily a psychologically easy choice but it is an easy moral choice to hit the single person on the runway rather than risk the many passengers and crew on your flight. Looking at the damage, it looks like these pilots were almost able to miss the person since he seems to have hit the side of the engine. In my opinion, they should all feel like they did everything they could to save this guy and they protected all the people on the plane with them. Sometimes you can do every single thing right and someone still dies so the struggle becomes a philosophical one of realizing that everyone will die at one point and you just so happened to have been there when someone died and you did everything you could humanly do to prevent them from dying. In this particular case, it sounds like a suicide to me. This person wanted to die and they did. A pilot shouldn't hold themselves accountable for the irrational actions of other people. Most of the time, there isn't a person on the runway because most people don't make such a choice and no one in any field can possible account for such unexpected human behavior. I personally think that these pilots did an amazing job of trying to avoid the guy because, when you said he hit the engine, I imagined he had hit it in the center and been cut in two at whatever point the edge of the engine hit him but they must have put in as much rudder as was safe to have him hit the side of the engine. In any case, we should all rest assured that at least this guy died quickly and that's all any of us can ask for when we have to face death anyway.
i don't think you have much time to contemplate anything. it will be a reflex.
I suspect that he died at about 200 kph. Imagine the acceleration.
Yes, I have a very dark sense of humor. If the deceased doesn't like it he can complain to St. Peter.
When I was in the military had a crew working on the runway. ATC had shift change and we were missed in the brief. C-130 on final. I seen him called ATC on my radio. Was told standby. I didn’t standby I came right back with tell him to go around we are on the runway. Conversation later was very interesting. But moral is if you are gonna be out there stay in contact with tower.
Pilot monitoring: “Ok, we’re filming a demo video, don’t mess up, don’t mess up, don’t mess up”.
Flap Lever:
Flap lever: “you’re not the boss of me.”
flap lever: "I'm about to end this guy's career"
@@Mirciulikkk The flap lever is tricky to operate. It has deep detents for each flap setting and that makes it often not go where you want it as soon as you want it.
Roger Huber no it’s not
@@alecarrington23 Well, after 35 years working on the 737 I stand by my statement and most all the other techs I worked with think so.
What's scary is that if the pilot hadn't maneuvered to avoid the person, he would have been sucked into the engine. Imagine losing an engine just as you've applied reverse thrust.
Excellent point! And with the fan blade going into catastrophic failure throwing pieces into the cabin. Seems like they averted a serious disaster.
@@arthurnied5500 It's a requirement that any level of engine-failure should be contained within the engine casing & nacelle.
Whether the safety elves envisioned an 80 kilo bird when setting the rules I don't know. :)
I think a recent, last year perhaps, incident resulted in a catastrophic failure of a turbine (I think) that breached the containment & fuselage. I'm not sure of the exact details, my memory isn't as sharp as it used to be. :)
@@DickHolman this was the flight that killed that woman. Southwest Flight 1380. It was my responsibility working for an airline to not only track airworthiness directives but also ensure compliance. Humans are fallible and I can guarantee you engineering designs can cause problems as well as fix them. I certainly don't trust any of these current containment rings to protect me from a catastrophic failure. I would prefer they prevent people that don't belong on active runways from being there in the first place.
@@arthurnied5500 12’ heavy gauge chain link topped with razor wire keeps most of them out. Setting the lower edge of the fence into concrete footing helps keep them from going under.
@@algrayson8965 It takes a special kind of stupid for unauthorized personal to risk all that, ignore the obvious posted no entry signs (danger etc etc). The pilot is responsible for the safety of everyone on board not some dumb dumb that didn't read, somehow still managed to skirt all the physical barriers. >.>
I love your videos so much. I usually spend my time on RUclips watching car content (builds, restorations, etc) but I find the most time spent on here is watching your videos. You have a way of delivering information that grabs hold of me and does not let go until the video is over. They're so thorough and well put together. Just wanted to let you. -Anthony from Pennsylvania
Another thoughtful video. Thanks for emphasizing what can and cannot be done. You do good work explaining aviation to those unfamiliar with how it works. My thoughts are with the crew and airport workers who had to deal with this.
On Vasaviation it sounded like the pilot saw the person, but didn't realize he had been struck till some moments later. Also he was quick to notify the tower, who immediately diverted the next landing till the runway was cleared.
oh gosh, it sounds so sad :(
Very proffesional by all of them to sort out the situation.
Very nicely explained... But a sad case. Thank God ! this incident did not harm the many passengers and crew.
Indeed!
You make excellent videos mate, very well explained and thorough.
I've seen other vids on some of the same incidents but yours always have that little extra bit of info and insight.
Thanks.
I love your posts. This one, My heart goes out to the family and friends of the the guy (what in the hell was he thinking) My heart goes out to the flight crew, the ground crew and the family of this guy
It may have been a dare situation to play chicken with a plane.
Looks like you got a lot of Monday Morning Quarterbacking on this one. It’s the same thing when people think you can stop a train with 70+ freight car load in an instant when a vehicle is stuck on the tracks.
Yeah, but sometimes something might look easy to fix from the outside and requires a bit of explaining to show that it’s NOT easy.
That’s what I’m trying to do with this one
Exactly, these people are acting so slow!
@@MentourPilot I saw a post on social media here in Austin that questioned why the pilots did not stop the plane when they saw a person was on the runway. I directed them to your site. Don't hate me. :)
jamespcurtiss stop the plane!! 🧐
@@jamespcurtiss Yerr... they do have airbrakes after all. Works for Bugs Bunny!
You don’t stand on a runway. You don’t stand in front of a moving train. You don’t stand between me and pizza! It’s just common sense...
Not in Austin
They made common sense illegal back in the mid 2000s... Someone added it in as part of some unrelated huge bill, and nobody actually read the thing before we passed it.
Sachi Perez 🤣😄😂😃😅😀😂
Sachi Perez You can’t roller skate in a buffalo park🎶
Actually in Gibraltar it is normal that you go through the runway. But that is the only exception. :D
Thank you Petter for always explaining how things happen whether good or bad. I find your videos very informational. I am not a pilot but i wish i would have been a long time ago. I'm 55 now and too old for it now. Your videos are awesome and it gives me happiness, believe it or not, just to learn what i missed out on. Keep up the good work and thank you so much for being an excellent pilot.
I don't know if many people know how much work you put into these videos. It's aprpeciated.
I feel really bad for the pilots. Especially the pilot flying, having to live with the knowledge that they struck and killed a person, even though it was unavoidable by them.
Since the plane had right of way I'd say the person struck the plane and killed themselves.
Absolutely nothing the pilots could do. I hope they are philosophical about it. The only person who could have changed anything was the person that was hit.
It’s a bloody plane for heavens sake it’s not like crossing a street...
@@frankboff1260 frankly one wants to try poison be prepared to lose your life.That person unless was mentally unstable is unforgivable
Yes, it is probably very similar to what train driver people (don't know the correct english word) feel, when they hit a person on the rails. They see it coming, they want to stop, but they also know there's nothing they can do.
@@HippieInHeart you're thinking conductor/engineer, that the train guy
I listened to the ATC for this particular flight and it makes me feel bad for the flight crew as well. They sounded like they were having such a good day with zero idea that anything remotely close to this would happen. I just hope that this incident does not move the bar to managing this type of risk too far as this so rarely happens. Great video as always!
I didn't know about this. It's a tragedy for sure. Mentour, I've watched enough if your videos to understand that this was an unavoidable incident. There's no way that plane could've taken any evasive kind of action to stop this from happening. Great explanation. Love your videos. Keep them coming.
To Mentour pilot. I have watched many of your videos and thank you for the professional style and clear English in which they are presented - as I gather that you are either German or Austrain speaking. The aviation side is always very well presented. Certainly the best on You Tube... I wish that all commercial pilots were like you, as you engender confidence. Well done!!
I remember several years ago my flight was just about to and at a provincial airport in the Philippines when the pilot put on full trust and we made a go around and landed safely 10 minutes later. Turned out a water Buffalo had strayed on to the runway . Certainly would have made quite a mess of our 737
My dad used to drive trains. I know that no matter the circumstances, if the vehicle you're in control of takes someone's life, that weighs heavily on you. My heart goes out to the pilot, and I hope the investigation leads to improvements to prevent future accidents.
Hi. Retired railroader here. Dispatcher, Engineer, Conductor, etc.
We of course can't maneuver at all, except for plugging the air. Which causes the brakes to engage on the entire train. From the lead engine, to the very back. Which could be a railcar, caboose, or a single or multiple locomotives.
We've had fellow engineers on different carriers, approaching at night into a town around a curve, run over a transient that was sleeping on the tracks. There is absolutely no way they could stop in time, even at nearly a running mans speed.
What's even more amazing to me was how someone, trespassing, and walking away from me, dosen't hear my train coming up to them from behind. But I had this happen several times. Fortunately, for them,as well as myself, I detected them early and was able to slow way down, and could easily come to a full stop, well before even getting close. Each time I either barely, very lightly blew the horn, or rang the bell. In order to not alarm them too much. But of course it did alarm them very much when they tuned around. They were literally terrified. Every time.
Our four engines were SW 1200s,
3 of them had dynamic breaking ability. Ours was a private shortline logging railroad.
I had the enviable privilege of experiencing a go-around in a 737 while about 500ft AGL due to a runway incursion. It involved the steepest 60-ish right turn I ever felt in a passenger scenario. It did a lot to give me a profound respect for the design. I also had never felt that level of acceleration force either. Thanks to 9:30, I can get an idea of what was going on up front. The experience of that was a genuine privilege.
It's just like the media people think the pilots could see it and drift around the person like in a sports car.
Would be able to in Flying high.
I have it on good authority that the 737th Fast & Furious will be about this very thing.
In FSX everything is possible.
You are "the media."
yeah they also like to call everything jumbo jets and the pilots always lose control
You should initiate getting that flap lever fixed in the simulator.
I've seen the FO struggling with it A DOZEN times now.
It's always one of the same 3 clips !
Most likely suicide. I've witnessed it when I drove a tractor trailer for a living. Kid ran across the freeway jumped the median and dove in front of the car right next to me. It rattled me for weeks. Nothing could be done to stop it. These pilots couldn't do anything as well.
That's even worse. Hitting something as big as a person could cause a serious accident.
I work for an airline that flies there and coming in for the night shift I was like "why is AUS closed?" and the answer was a hell of a shock. Later on we were told that Austin PD ruled it was a suicide.
@@laner.845 Even if it wasn't it was.
@@algrayson8965 suicide is intent to kill oneself. Idiots doing stupid stunts who accidentally kill themselves could apply to this scenario, but not be considered suicide. Intent is the difference.
I can imagine the crew never expects something like this to happen. I also like to follow trains and railroads, and they tell new engineers that they _will_ hit someone during their career, and if that is a problem, don't become an engineer.
Thank you for covering this, tough subject, but you had the facts and you clarified it nicely. Here in the states, I've seen so many 'stories' on it, some all I could do was shake my head. I feel so badly for everyone involved.
Hello from Germany :) I've been watching your videos for a few weeks now and want to thank you for your great videos! For every question I ask about aviation, there is an video on your channel ! thank you very much! I also want to become a pilot and can learn a lot from your videos :) I wish all future pilots good luck and of course a lot of fun !
Thank you for your kind words! I do what I can to answer the questions that comes up.
I cannot help but smile every single time he says "absolutely fantastic."
Thank you for taking time to so clearly explain the facts behind airplane incidents.
Good video. I'm not in the aviation business, but I watch your channel often. You are very good at explaining the technical complexities of flying to the general public, as well as the economic and controversial aspects of the business. This would fall under breaking news, but you quickly answered a lot of questions on how such a tragedy could not be easily avoided. Good job.
The landing speed is about 200 feet per second. Not much time to react even if they saw him.
It's just like driving a car at 260 km/h.
Even if you aware you would have hit someone, you won't have much time to react.
@@chnet968 Well a car can at least stop in a reasonable time. But a plane can obviously not stop in flight.
@@TremereTT A racecar with a racedriver and optimal traction conditions, maybe. Most of us at most have driven at HALF the speed of a landing airplane, and at night in a normal car that is still too fast to stop or swerve safely (remember to add 2sec reaction time), should something appear in the headlights. I've had a deer cross the road in front of me at the edge of my headlights at night while driving at ~100km/h and that was too close a call for comfort, no way at 260km/h.
Even if you could react the plane wouldn’t maneuver fast enough (especially with the safety of those onboard in mind)
Exactly!
Outstanding videos. Great content, clear explanation and very important information. I enjoy watching your videos,
Keep them coming and continue to do a great job!
Pete you handled this with CLASS! Thank you.
I was a flight attendant for SWA in the 90s. I can't even begin to imagine what the entire crew had to go through.
Man, pilot monitoring had a LOT of trouble with the flaps settings!
think they need a little lube on that sim
Yeah, the flap mechanism needed some oiling. It’s a sim
@@MentourPilot Clearly!
@@MentourPilot PAN-PAN xD
My thoughts exactly! So if the simulator is teaching that guy to be apprehensive on the flaps or if he's just unfamiliar with the correct operation hopefully that will be addressed. Shame on them if the simulator is malfunctioning as it is making for bad habits. He was completely distracted with a simple control mechanism when it should not claimed that much of his attention.
Love your detailed, very clear explanations using everyday language, thanks.🙂
I’ve been on one commercial airliner that had to perform a “go around”, flying into a Texas airport. It was initiated at about 300 feet AGL and handled quite professionally. We were later told just kind of a nebulous explanation of there being an obstruction on the runway. I never knew if it was another plane or wildlife - I had heard, deer where a problem from time-to-time for that airport.
Very difficult to "like" this in the traditional sense, but I must warmly commend the way in which you handled this awful situation, providing information, reasons and explanations. Once you are back in the air, which I hope will be soon, I would wish that you, your crew and your passengers never have to experience this yourselves. If you do then I would have confidence in the authority of the cockpit crew to make the best decision available at that time. Stay safe.
When I first heard this story I was just happy to know he didnt get ingested into the engine. From the damage it looks like the pilots tried their best to avoid him. I wonder how many degrees right of the centerline did they turn because it looks significant.
That would be interesting to see, how far if at all!
@DDream 1986 No difference to the individual (other than physical), big difference to potential aircraft damage, clean up and reopening the runway not to mention the extra affects on those required to clean up and investigate and the family members.
@@AListFlierKris the NTSB has the responsibility to investigate the incident. They can however assign it to the FAA.
He didn't get ingested but part of his body pushed in the cowling on the nacelle and he got torn apart, with part of his body still lodged in the torn metal of the nacelle. The pictures are pretty gruesome (though obviously nowhere near as messy as an ingestion)
You're assuming you know where a suicidal maniac is standing. Maybe he changed his mind and dove outta the way a little too late. Speculation won't resolve this.
I loved seeing the go-around from the pilot's point of view. Thank you for that.
Have been watching all petter's videos and going back to see what I've missed. Missed this one and hadn't heard of this sad incident. Great information.
hi petter I am a nurse by profession and enjoy your podcasts . My thoughts go out to the pilots following this incident. It must be horrendous for them to know they hit a human and killed them and I would like to add that it wasn't there fault. thankyou for explaining this in such a way that I understood it as a member of the public.
Hi Mentour Pilot.
A keen follower of your videos here from India. I love the way you explain even the smallest things in detail. You are doing an excellent work Sir - spreading your knowledge. Thank you.
really liked your empathy for all airport workers and crew
Wow! That rejected landing in the simulator was Great!! A real revelation of all that has to happen so quickly. Thanks for that!
Love your passion for aviation, and your technical descriptions
I have been flying in Asia since 2008 and had my portion of "interesting" moments. At some remote places, there are few arrivals and departures, and the runway is like a road for the locals. I have seen people growing vegetables between the runway and the airport fence, and it could happen that dogs and kids were seen on the runway. You really have to keep your eyes open at such places. But at large international airports, you don't expect this to happen. And in reduced visibility, you don't have much chance to avoid tragic accidents like this.
I bet you were't flying 737s into people's backyards
I would assume they won't let 180-200 seaters into those airports, maybe 75 seaters and such...
@@flaminG-Ghost "I would assume they won't let 180-200 seaters into those airports, maybe 75 seaters and such" - It's not quite the same scenario, but have you ever looked up Gibraltar International Airport?
Another excellent video, very well explained. Thank you.
12:00 Ahh, the classic, avoid a person in the middle of the road and instead kill 20 people in a bus queue :)
or 150 passengers in your rolled plane
Stop a thermonuclear explosion or comfort a frightened bunny rabbit 🤔
I doubt anyone would purposely make that choice, but it could easily happen inadvertently.
@@jsmariani4180 Most large vehicle training involves some time around this, when you have to not try to avoid a collision to avoid a worse case. It is against your base instinct.
I knew you would do the video about that accident!
I aim to please. I thought there was to much speculation out there about what the pilots can and cannot do.
@@MentourPilot Superb 🤘
As for the high-viz vests worn by ground crew, it's primarily so vehicles can see them. Ground crew should know to avoid taxiing aircraft
I'm really enjoying your videos, I do have an interest in aviation but you do a good job and keep your videos entertaining for anyone I would assume. Great job 👍 Su inglés es impecable!!!
Love your work, Petter
Nice job. Pray for the pilots sure it weighs on them
Indeed. I feel so bad for them
yea, tough on the pilots - mentally not easy to deal knowing someone died..
And, (this is not kind) - imagine the additional paperworks involved. The local police may want to talk to you (vehicular manslaughter!!) and if the deceased family were to sue, imagine the pilots having to attend Court. Lots of time and paperworks involved man..
Pfft, they shouldn't. This guy made his choice. I certainly wouldn't sweat it.
I live here in Austin and am fairly close to the airport and use it regularly. By now many of you have seen the fence the guy climbed to get onto the airport property and yes, it is easy to climb. This happened in 2018 when someone climbed it to try and avoid the police. But the threat is mainly from animals, primarily deer, and humans are not much of a concern.
At the moment, Austin is experiencing an incredible amount of people walking in traffic and other transportation infrastructure and most of them are what would be classified as emotionally disturbed people and often suicidal and under the influence of drugs of some kind. The police are working very hard, and quite successfully, to keep them from getting killed or injured but there are still incidents every day of people being struck. But someone making the effort to walk on the runway was not something that could have been anticipated as most of these incidents are more in Austin proper, and not on the edge of the city where the airport is located. And, just my opinion, the person who was killed had no interest in avoiding the aircraft and there was nothing the pilots could have done to avoid him.
Thank you for your information, I hope peace and stability come upon Austin, TX With courageous dedication make the people well.
I work at Austin and never heardthid nonsense. Security is pretty tight at the airport. Although I will admit I have not seen the fence on that side of the airport.
@@garrnk I parallels 183
@@johnfitzpatrick2469 I had this sudden thought about the stories of a guy who was sucked through a jet engine and survived.
Is it possible that this guy was crazy, high, or drunk enough to want to try it out for himself.
Getting himself in line with the engine was quite an achievement.
I use to fly several times a year. Then about 20 years ago I had an internal feakout about flying while in flight. It felt like the whole plane closing in on me.
You are great at what you do. I have been marathoning you channel for a few days now. Thank you for sharing all your incredible knowledge with us. This is the first time I have been able to even look at planes and not feel that 20 year feeling again. :)
Very well explained. good you did this video.
Very well explained video, I hope it reaches out to those who are pointing blame.
Excellent analysis.
Thank you!
Well, great news update. Just wanted to see that situation through your eyes. Thanks much....
Every time I’ve flown commercially, I’ve always looked out of the window while the people were still getting on, and be amazed at the organization of the ground crew, it’s like a synchronized dance of people and luggage carts, so this has always fascinated me
So, VASAviation has the radio. It sounds like it was way to fast and dark for them to react at all. It’s really that simple. Good explanation as always.
I’m sad to hear about this accident. But there is no one but the deceased person to blame for this.
How am I just now hearing about this? I'm an Austin native but living in Florida since 2015, so it's hard to keep up. This was very informative and well done, thanks. Ironically, in January of 2020, Austin-Bergstrom made the top 10 list of the best large airports.
Thanks for this helpful account from the pilot perspective
It's almost like a train, there's not much one can do. Particularly in the dark.
Sounds like it was a suicide by plane. Sadly, people will do a suicide by jumping in front of a moving train, this is just by plane.
Hard to say what the background of the situation is. Mental illness is a possibility.
I'd say it's very likely to be suicide, suicides are up right now for obvious reasons it's been particularly bad in cities with New York city had people stuck by trains in the subway nearly every day last week it was two one day plus several jumpers from bridges. It's not unreasonable to think some one in Austin would use an aircraft instead
@@tgm9991 It seems unappropriated to give a thumbs up so I will say I agree instead. Sad but more believable than an accident. ;-[
Sad to say, but very probable. The only participant who had any real opportunity to avoid the collision would have been the pedestrian. It will be interesting to find out if he was also wearing dark clothing...
@@tgm9991 You have hit the nail on the head.I`m pretty sure NY will confirm these cases as death from the China virus..what a mess.
Great show bro been watching it abit lately , most interesting cheers
What a sad scenario. On a brighter note, ur video with Kelsey was great.