Na bhai.... Metro v ek time baad bhoat jyada bhar jaati h.... Delhi metro 5-10 saal baad mumbai local jaise ho jayegi....avi itna bura haal h delhi metro ka bhot population h.....
Metro is a part of solution, except it we need to upgrade local trains, add more local train routes(including semi high speed routes to , improve bus network, improve city design so most commutes would be at walking distance and add and mantain footpaths and cycle lanes
@@justarandomguywithoutaname8719 indian city developers only think about cars. That is why they build flyovers and then say that metro or LRT cant be constructed because of the flyover
Everything will reach to its peak capacity and then the metro would be maxed out too. You guys don't understand the word population, it keeps growing, the land does not
We Mumbaikars want all local trains to be full AC at cheap rates, similar to Metros. This is a necessity inorder to upgrade the standard of living of Mumbaikars, this will also reduce hanging from doors and keep people inside trains, also frequency should be reduced to 2 mins per train
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A Metro-like configuration can help but it will reduce seating capacity and increase the standing of passengers. The reduction of Long-distance trains in the suburban network will increase the frequency. Another option is to have viaducts to boost network lines and thereby adding more services and reducing overcrowding in trains.
The usage of purely Indian stock footage relevant to the topic is highly appreciated. Other channels often use stock footage of trains in other countries.
#AskPT: What if seat alignment change from current designs to that used in metroes, so that more space would be available to stand, and seating for some special citizens.
@@PowerTrain I request you to make a Video that why spliting of State is always a Bad Idea in Long term. Instead of Focusing on too much Decentralization of Power, why it is Necessary to Build Infrastructure, Road, Expressways and New Freight Rail Lines, Between the 2 Cities which would Cover almost all Poor Villages or Cities. As we can clearly see that Bihar Becomes Poorer State, when Jharkhand get Separate out, as Jharkhand was Coal mining Hub. We can also see How UP becomes Poorer state, When Uttrakhand get Separate out from UP as, Uttrakhand is a Tourist Hub. We can also see, How Andhra Pradesh get Poorer State when Telangana get Separate out, as Telangana is an IT as well as Semi-Industrial State.
@@manusharma7487 Well Bro I dont know who soch mohak Mangal but I will definately ask it. anyway, Politics, Infrastructure Development and Economic Activities are Brother of same Womb. ~Kautliya Arthashastra Even Powertrain will Agree with that without Politics, you cant do Development. Do you know why India never Becomes an Industrial State like European Countries or China????? Because of Land Hoarding Problem by Zamindaars, Politicians, Underworld Mafias and Rich Oligarch. After-all You need a Land for doing an Infrastructure Development, Town Planning, Creating New Urban Cities or Opening a Manufacturing Factory especially related to Defense Sectors or Aerospace Sector Right????
The pressure to reach in time is one of the reason behind such rush. We need city metro system in Mumbai just like delhi ab Maharashtra government ke upar hai wo kiya karna chahte
Did u know Kolkata Suburban Railway system (local train system) is the largest Suburban system in India (it almost cover whole South Bengal)...and Just like Mumbai... here in Southern Bengal Local train is our lifeline...❤
for those who are saying, why don't we build elevated tracks above the current tracks, i want to remind them that, the trains tracks are not the only things which are there along the route, there are also many road-over-rail bridges, some of them critically important to road traffic. so, either the rail corridor gets built at a height where it passes over the road bridge, or the road bridge is broken down and recreated to pass over the double level rail train. either way, it is a very costly and disruptive maneuver. and technical thing is, building another road on top of existing road is one thing, |it is relatively easy, but building anything over live wires at 25KV is totally another thing. that too when the train traffic is continuous, the risk of falling debris is way too much.
double deckers can be used but .. with a new design which allows people to go on upper berth from platform only.. .like at every coach's end there should be a stair which can be made as spacious as you want .. for people to come down or go on the upper decker .. stairs should not be inside the coach but outside ... that will allow them to move faster.
there is one main problem with Mumbai Local line setup especially platforms. currently track 1 and 2 are for slow down and slow up traffic while track 3 and 4 are for fast down and fast up. applies to both Central as well as Western railway. ideally, in a quadruple setup, outer tracks i.e., 1 and 4 should be for slow trains and inner tracks 2 and 3 should have been for fast trains. this way, there was no need for platforms for track 2 and 3 where fast trains do not stop. but main benefit would have been that changing trains would have been much easier. suppose if we are at Church gate and want to go to Santacruz, now presently, we have to get down at Bandra platform 4, then walk up the staircase, walk the corridor, go down the staircase to platform1 and then catch the slow train there to go to Santacruz, this causes crowding on the staircase as well as the overhead pass ways. but if the 1 and 2 were for down slow and down fast trains, then the process would be --> we would get in a fast train, get down at Bandra and at same platform on other side, get into a slow train and reach Santacruz. no need to climb up and down the staircase, only ones on the staircase would be those whose destination is that station. such tracks exist in lonavala Pune section where the stretch is only two tracks but it splits into 4 tracks at some stations so that local trains take the inner tracks (1 and 4) while mail trains pass through on inner tracks (2 and 3)
(1) All 3 main lines ke beech me interlink karke uspe Metro ya local train chalaye ( for e.g. transharbor is interlink between Central and Harbor line ) (2) Western aur Central railway stations ko redesign karke Navi Mumbai jaisa dono tarf se utarne, chadhne ke liye platform
Agar train ki design change na karke Stations ko hi double decker kar diya jaye or train ke andar har ek compartment mein ek stair ese adjust kiya jaye jisse upar or niche kahi bhi problem na ho or upar wale upar ke station mein utar jayenge or niche wale niche ki station mein esa ho to kaisa hoga??
Har station me aise nahi karsakte kyun cost bhi bahut hoga aur feasible nahi kyun station sirf local ke liye nahi bana hai agar upar bhi platform hua to normal express train ko bhi doble decker karna padega jo ki feasible nahi hai
How about some "only standing local" in peek hours??? Hear me out!!! My POV (I'm sure many would agree) Time spent in train: 1hr+ one way 70% days i travel entirely standing. 20% days i get to sit for last 10-15 mins. 10% days i skip trains because of no space. Those who don't want to stand and not in a rush can wait. And those who don't care because they travel standing anyways would get on it. Ventilation needs to be improved/redesigned that's for sure.
In Mumbai biggest problem in local train people facing is of not the space but a problem so far ignored by all. The problem is 4 door coaches. Because of this in platform people overcrowding in order to reach doors. At the same time inside the train again people overcrowd near the 4 gates to get easy exit. When train come to halt from platform people start climbing even before train stop only to face the people getting ready to alight. This create a he'll of a situation for exit and entry. Otherwise inside the train people manage the space available. This exit entry problem can be solved only by increasing the doors . A coach can easily redesign with at least 6 or 7 doors in place of 4. This will dispers the density of crowing at 4 to 6 or 7 . Life will be easier. Standing space increasing means better commuting. Authority must think about this Otherwise when all trains come with closed door facility travel will become much more difficult as the density of traveling public per minute per train is unbelievable in Mumbai. Will anyone in railways start thinking this????
Atleast IR must shift local train's electrical equipment into underslung of the train It will help increaseing capacity without adding any coaches. And make coaches interconnected and air conditioning
Double decker inner city trains can only be viable if you have separate upper and lower deck entrances and ramps and crowd control bariers. It's very specialised solutions done in only few places and it breaks the platform for standard trains. Double deckers in normal set up should be only be used in long distance routes.
Flying raanee already chalti hai wide door ke sath & double dekar me interior metro jesa ho jaye to solution aa jayega , dadar chadhne utarane ki jagah side me raheni chahiye
Instead of making DD local trains, WR/CR can make use of metro-like design in the current locals. In metro, there is more space for standing and less place for sitting, if this is used then capacity can increase because of loss of seats. This is my opinion which could work but only thing that can save overcrowding is automatic doors and Mumbai metro
But there are people who travel from Andheri to CST or kalyan to nerul for office and college due to which they need seats so that they can atleast sit for some time and take rest
Waise me sochta hoon ki jo ICF Non-AC DoubDeck coaches hai wo Fast shuttle during rush hour ke liye use kiya jaa sakhte hai especially in Mumbai and Kolkata... For example- Kalyan to CSTM jo beech me sirf Thane aur Dadar me rukega. Similarly, Vasai - Andheri - Dadar - Churchgate/CSMT fast shuttle. For Kolkata Mecheda - Howrah via Bagnan, Uluberia, Santragachhi; then Kalyani - Sealdah via Barrackpore and Dumdum; Bandel - Howrah via Chandannagore, Serampore and Bally agar chalye to I think Mumbai aur Kolkata me overcrowding ka problem kuchh haad tak solve ho jayega... Railways long distance ke liye toh Fast Local chalata hai, lekin agar short distance ke liye bhi Fast shuttle service with DoubDeck coaches chalaye, jaha sabse zyada bhir hota hai, toh overcrowding thoda solve hoga..
1st of all the same idea which is used in current double decor train is not necessary to be used Insted we can create double decor train my multiple platforms means 2 platform 1 on top of other. And trains will be just one on top of other
Instead of double decker trains, we can have bridges over existing local network and run trains on both tracks (on Bridge and Normal Track) also at station level we can have platform on bridge itself, to minimize infrastructure rework we can have only fast stations such as Thane, Ghatkopar, Kurla, Dadar, CSMT as double platform stations so that fast trains will run on bridges and slow trains will run on below normal tracks. also wherever road bridges crossing over rail line we need to elevate these bridges as we have done in Metros. This will surely double the capacity if we manage crowds at stations particularly fast stations. this will generate revenue to railways in long run such as extra space for shops and advertisement. Also considering special trains for long distance trips such as Badlapur, Virar which will not halt at unnecessary stations which will reduce travel time for long distance commuters.
Well you should see the Sydney local train, it is a double decker train with more space and comfort. I think indian railway should make double decker local train like Sydney.
Is complete standing seats a viable ans useful options for local trains? In peak hours on experimental basis few coach can be made seating less, will be able to accomodate more passangers, the ones travelling shorter distances can choose to travel in those.
I believe the doorway passage is important but the bogey design needs improvement if we rearrange the seating each bogey can accommodate more passengers easily. I see this personally if the seats took less space people can come in and out more easily and breathability will improve.
Well,The mainline double decker is useless for local trains but can design new coaches with big corridor and doors like mini double decker train and best example could be Sydney metro though some would say Sydney has less ridership but if the trains are more frequent it may work
The only solution is more and more metro also development of other cities so people go to those cities for jobs too not just Mumbai. Kaafi jayda population issue hai
One thing that can reduce crowd in Mumbai local that setup industries and businesses in all other cities like vododra Surat Lucknow kanpur Bhopal itarsi Indore jabalpur etc
Another menace in Local Trains is people standing in Half part of the doorways and thus only half part of the double doors is actually available for passengers to get in and get out. one easy way of cancelling this culture is to make it official that all exits must be from the side the train is going and all entry must be made from the other side of the door ie if the train is going to Virar, then at Dadar station, platform is on left hand side, the left-hand side part of the doorway (pointing towards Virar) should be the one for alighting while the right-hand side should be for getting in. at Bandra, Andheri, Borivali, it would be the right-hand side for alighting and left-hand side for getting in as platform is on the right side of the train. if this rule was made official, the door blocking situation will automatically become illegal. this rule will also help in passenger behavior when AC trains with closed doors become the Norm. perfect solution would be double discharge stations, but it is too late to implement it.
Hi Powertrain, your video was very informative, even i was talking the same topic while traveling in local train, i also came up with the idea of double decker train, but later i too realised that it'll be a failure. Suggestion: How about making a different layout for the local during peak hours Ex 1 : make all 15 coaches of local train with the config of single door system means for 1 coach only 1 single door which will open from top to bottom and vice versa or make 2 huge doors for 1 coach will open in traditional manner (mind that this train will be AC ventilated and will reflect design of somewhat our metro train) This train will not have any railing , seats etc which will create obstruction Ex 2 : during peak hours, we can use the above config train in split manner ,means out of 15 coaches, 10 coach will be like i explained above and 5 coaches will be normal current used coaches This will be really helpfull for people onboarding and alighting easily which are short distance travellers and also for long distance travellers (they can sit on those 5 coaches during peak hours) I am sure, this will be very effective for mumbaikars ,less chance of stabbing etc Please read this one ❤❤❤
@@PowerTrain how come ? You'll have 1 single door which will work similarly like our current coaches .. instead i think people will swiftly enter and exit the coaches comfortable... Also some platforms have both sides entry/exit point those stations will help more
ruclips.net/video/g8EjdousK-E/видео.html Why We Should Move Away from Double Deckers RMTransit Double Deckers may seem like an obvious solution to bring our ridership numbers up, but is it really the best choice we have? 00:00 Introduction 01:36 Why am I talking about this? 02:10 When to use single vs double decker this may or may not apply to Indian Scenerio but it is a good listen
Until and unless express/mail lines are completely segregated from local lines this is not possible. Currently fast lines share tracks with express/mail and semi-fast locals change tracks between fast and slow lines. Even if complete segregation is achieved it won't happen that easily. To convert such a large system to CBTC you will have to keep sections of suburban lines closed for months if not a year. This is absolutely not possible in case of Mumbai. The lifeline cannot be stopped for more than 2-3 days.
High speed rail is for longer distances and cannot be used for short distance travelling. Converting local trains tracks to high speed would be waste of money.
Wait for metro network to build out and expressways to complete. This pressure might not exist. If you still want double decker, think as stacked. Top layer will exit on its own platform level
It needs more frequency. That's the only solution. Expand stations and add more lines. Perhaps most stations with 4 lines, so slow and fast go together. There's no other solution. Double decker only makes sense for shuttle service I'm fearing with metro, local train will be ignored.
#askpt Instead of double decker trains, why can't we have double floor railway tracks. It will take huge cost. But considering land cost of Mumbai it will have good return to scale
Yeah even I was thinking that but I see two issues. First is something he already highlighted, the increased heights would require higher power lines, brigdes, underpasses etc. That would be very costly. Secondly, making train higher would result in a higher center of gravity. That would increase the risk trains toppling over at high speeds. The way to counter this would be to increase the gauge length, which would be insanely expensive.
You mean a elevated track on the existing tracks. Yaa this will be costly but even if we try to build this it would be a challenge as the elevated track needs to be created without hampering the trains flow beneath it. Plus all the platforms also need to be also elevated.
Best option he ki seats hi nikal de sab log khade khade jayenge aur space bhi badh jayega secondly doors aur wide kar dene chahiye jisse logo ko chadhne utarne aur chadne me dikkat na ho aur ye trains only office hours ya rush hours ke time hi chalani chahiye
I have a thought. Running only fast local trains In speed of 160. Trains will have automatic doors and no seats inside the train. More people can be accommodated. I think train should be 15 coaches and run only between CSMT and Kalyan.(I am considering Central Line only) Travel time from CSMT to kalyan even in fast train takes 1hour because average train speed is only 50-60kmph. If the speed is almost tripled then time taken will be only around 20mins from Kalyan to CSMT for which commuters can stand. And mostly people get down at Dadar only. I think train can halt at Kalyan, Dombivali, Thane, Ghatkopar,Kurla,Dadar and Direct CSMT. I think this thought is ridiculous but it would be quiet nice
Double decker trains ko long route ke liye chalana chahiye jo busy route ho uss pe chalana chahiye jaise ki bihar se delhi, mumbai, gujarat Kyuki ye routes bahut kharab hai bahot jyada rush hai in sab route me
what if they start running short distance trains like Dadar to churchgate or bandra to dadar, and have sittings like metro, people can travel while standing for few minutes, creating separate platforms for the short distance train will not affect the traffic of regular trains, this might not solve the problem of overcrowding, but will provide relief to the passengers who travel on short distances.
@powertrain I beg to differ. Double Decker trains is not a stupid idea. Sydney Australia is a perfect example. But yes, for it to be effective in Bombay given the population, other modes of transport need to developed first. So may be around 2030 once the metro system is established and becomes the main mode of public transport.
Why is everyone talking about making a new transport system to decrease the crowd rather than city planning, making new cities and encouraging companies to build new offices in the outermost parts of Mumbai metropolitan city maybe even outside kalyan-dombivli city? That way you can change the crowd moving patterns and decrease the crowd and the most important advantage is saving time which mumbai needs it.
Very difficult Power supply cables wud b major hurdle Over head traffic bridges wud b second hurdle Rake design has to b changed thoroughly and its nt possible But yes, purely new rake has to b designed as per mail express double decker coaches Passengers themselves hv to maintain some rules thn only its possible
A circular track,a circular full track length train ,a circular full length track above it ,a short length train above it , successively with low speed .
It's not a stupid idea. AC trains halt much more time than normal train. If Railway afford that time this is affordable too. Also, it lower deck can be made same as metro where more standing should be there and Upper deck should focus for Long distant passenger with seatings seat. Moreover, Doors should be automatic too though it's Non-Ac Train as our windows are big enough and some ventilation design can be added.
I got to know that dd coach and ac3tier coaches have same height, because dd has almost flat roof and ac3 has kind of parabolic cross section roof, dd loooks af it's unusually large, but it reaches same height has ac3tier's extra roof dome height, so height is not a problem
There Can Be One Solution wherein We have Double Decker Special Trains With Entry And Exit Of the Upper half Being By A Overhead Platform On the Station matlab Station has to be modified With Another overhead walk Jaha par upar waale log directly nikal jaaye aur board kre sam niche ka alag chalega it's like ek ke upar ek..rkhna bas thoda height Kum krke
While everyone is focusing on metro to reduce conjunction in trains. We should also prioritize our buses system. Make bus rides more comfortable (AC electric buses). And spread awareness about the same. Only Buses + metro + local trains can reduce the conjunction on road. It can't be done alone by local trains and metro without buses.
You guys are in dire need of metro, our Delhi metro have a footprint of more than 22 lakhs per day so it will definitely reduce burden on your train system.
Railway chahe to 400 vande Bharat me 50 DOUBLE DECKER VANDE BHARAT bhi la sakta hai specially un route me jaha already double stack container, double decker, Autolinx car carrier chal rahi hai
You have add one more time Sab logon ko apne station pe pehle utarna hota hai crowd ki vajhah se jara bhi late ho gaye to sidha next next to log 1station pehle hi corridor mein ate hai or vo duble decker mein possible hi nahi hai
In order to launch double decker local train there should also be double decker platforms so that upper deck peoples can get down and up in upper deck and same goes for lower deck
Local train to vardan he ek mumbaikar k liye har 5 min me free yatra itni tez...uske baad metro bhi har jagah vaha ban jana chahiye ...mumbai jesi city me kahi bhi metro bana do chalegi hi..vo bhi full capacity pr....underground metro bhi aur banna cahhiye mumbai me...dusara thoda auto valo kam karna cahhiaye...tisra car valo ko alternate days chalane ka rule bana do
I disagree with this. Please read the entire comment. Intermediate and long distance trains will benefit heavily from double-decker wagens. Germany uses something called doppelstockwagen. These trains are designed very well. The doors are really wide and offer level boarding in 95% cases in all trains. The crowd is not as much as in rush hour Mumbai locals but not too less either. You'll be surprised how crowded these German trains get, especially during holiday season the crowd is wost than in India These trains are designed with lighter metals and the latest emu version uses a single shared co-co bogies with 2 couches like the TGV. These trains come with max of 14 emu double decker couches, are completely AC'ed and support max speed of 200kmph. All this is achieved on standard gauge of tracks not even broad guage like India. This means with the right intent and possible help from Siemens or Alstom, we can build a double decker emu trainset that can be lighter, faster and more spacious than not only our existing Vande Bharat express but also better than its europian doppelstockwagen counterparts. Reference: The German DB new IC2 doppelstockwagen (this does not have the shared bogies like TGV but the rest is as it is) Do some research and let me know what you think. Comments are open for all and I would encourage a civil debate. Thanks.
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Only Mumbai Metro can save Mumbai City by making Mumbai City jam free and can become a lifeline for city.
Na bhai.... Metro v ek time baad bhoat jyada bhar jaati h.... Delhi metro 5-10 saal baad mumbai local jaise ho jayegi....avi itna bura haal h delhi metro ka bhot population h.....
@@adam_seeker_urdu_fan delhi mai sirf metro hai local trains nahi hai
Metro is a part of solution, except it we need to upgrade local trains, add more local train routes(including semi high speed routes to , improve bus network, improve city design so most commutes would be at walking distance and add and mantain footpaths and cycle lanes
@@justarandomguywithoutaname8719 indian city developers only think about cars. That is why they build flyovers and then say that metro or LRT cant be constructed because of the flyover
Everything will reach to its peak capacity and then the metro would be maxed out too. You guys don't understand the word population, it keeps growing, the land does not
I have asked it in askpt of your initial videos below 100.....and you answered it well.....thank you
My pleasure
When you started talking about suffocation i started imagining it and literally made me feel claustrophobic 😂🥵
Ufff
Hey bro thnx for that word😂
I avoid local trains in peak time due to claustrophobia
same in local Eastern Railway( kolkata)🤣🤦♂️
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Let's hope we all play our role adequately to make our country great.
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We Mumbaikars want all local trains to be full AC at cheap rates, similar to Metros.
This is a necessity inorder to upgrade the standard of living of Mumbaikars, this will also reduce hanging from doors and keep people inside trains, also frequency should be reduced to 2 mins per train
try to replace all the normal local train with ac local, and you will see a big protest. unfortunately we enjoy poverty and low living standard! 🥲🎉
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@@jaysiddhapura no buddy development hokar rahega, last week decision for tender floating of 200 Ac trains was made we have to wait and watch
Rrts like train system is required I Mumbai and surrounding areas. I think it will be implemented in Mumbai after seeing its impact in Delhi.
Specialised coaches are must for mumbai for rapid acceleration- deceleration
Automatic doors are a must
Phir to vo AC train ho Jaega
Yes Automatic doors are important
Andheri me band nahi hoga door
Not possible
@@krusty07 Its possible we just need to change
Power train💟I was like I am so bored on RUclips but Then I saw a new vid from you and now having a good day
A Metro-like configuration can help but it will reduce seating capacity and increase the standing of passengers.
The reduction of Long-distance trains in the suburban network will increase the frequency.
Another option is to have viaducts to boost network lines and thereby adding more services and reducing overcrowding in trains.
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Thank you so much 😀
@@PowerTrain Welcome 😁
They should increase station platform height equal to door height, should have barrier gates on platforms of train doors like metro 2A
Platform Screen Doors (PSDs) can used only if the signalling system is CBTC.
I love the new Intro. Keep it for all your videos.
The usage of purely Indian stock footage relevant to the topic is highly appreciated. Other channels often use stock footage of trains in other countries.
I'm so happy a train specific hindi channel has grown so big
Congrats on your success and thank you for the amazing content
#AskPT:
What if seat alignment change from current designs to that used in metroes, so that more space would be available to stand, and seating for some special citizens.
Even seat hta dena hi theek rhega
It has been tried before, it failed
@@PowerTrain why it failed how can we improve it now
@@PowerTrain I request you to make a Video that why spliting of State is always a Bad Idea in Long term.
Instead of Focusing on too much Decentralization of Power, why it is Necessary to Build Infrastructure, Road, Expressways and New Freight Rail Lines, Between the 2 Cities which would Cover almost all Poor Villages or Cities.
As we can clearly see that Bihar Becomes Poorer State, when Jharkhand get Separate out, as Jharkhand was Coal mining Hub.
We can also see How UP becomes Poorer state, When Uttrakhand get Separate out from UP as, Uttrakhand is a Tourist Hub.
We can also see, How Andhra Pradesh get Poorer State when Telangana get Separate out, as Telangana is an IT as well as Semi-Industrial State.
@@manusharma7487 Well Bro I dont know who soch mohak Mangal but I will definately ask it.
anyway, Politics, Infrastructure Development and Economic Activities are Brother of same Womb.
~Kautliya Arthashastra
Even Powertrain will Agree with that without Politics, you cant do Development.
Do you know why India never Becomes an Industrial State like European Countries or China?????
Because of Land Hoarding Problem by Zamindaars, Politicians, Underworld Mafias and Rich Oligarch.
After-all You need a Land for doing an Infrastructure Development, Town Planning, Creating New Urban Cities or Opening a Manufacturing Factory especially related to Defense Sectors or Aerospace Sector Right????
You need to talk and request people to join ur channel.
The pressure to reach in time is one of the reason behind such rush. We need city metro system in Mumbai just like delhi ab Maharashtra government ke upar hai wo kiya karna chahte
Did u know Kolkata Suburban Railway system (local train system) is the largest Suburban system in India (it almost cover whole South Bengal)...and Just like Mumbai... here in Southern Bengal Local train is our lifeline...❤
I recently visited Kolkata, the metro system is amazing there. Love from Bengaluru.
for those who are saying, why don't we build elevated tracks above the current tracks,
i want to remind them that, the trains tracks are not the only things which are there along the route,
there are also many road-over-rail bridges, some of them critically important to road traffic.
so, either the rail corridor gets built at a height where it passes over the road bridge, or the road bridge is broken down and recreated to pass over the double level rail train. either way, it is a very costly and disruptive maneuver.
and technical thing is,
building another road on top of existing road is one thing, |it is relatively easy, but building anything over live wires at 25KV is totally another thing. that too when the train traffic is continuous, the risk of falling debris is way too much.
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double deckers can be used but .. with a new design which allows people to go on upper berth from platform only.. .like at every coach's end there should be a stair which can be made as spacious as you want .. for people to come down or go on the upper decker ..
stairs should not be inside the coach but outside ... that will allow them to move faster.
there is one main problem with Mumbai Local line setup especially platforms.
currently track 1 and 2 are for slow down and slow up traffic while track 3 and 4 are for fast down and fast up.
applies to both Central as well as Western railway.
ideally, in a quadruple setup, outer tracks i.e., 1 and 4 should be for slow trains and inner tracks 2 and 3 should have been for fast trains.
this way, there was no need for platforms for track 2 and 3 where fast trains do not stop.
but main benefit would have been that changing trains would have been much easier.
suppose if we are at Church gate and want to go to Santacruz,
now presently, we have to get down at Bandra platform 4, then walk up the staircase, walk the corridor, go down the staircase to platform1 and then catch the slow train there to go to Santacruz, this causes crowding on the staircase as well as the overhead pass ways.
but if the 1 and 2 were for down slow and down fast trains, then the process would be -->
we would get in a fast train, get down at Bandra and at same platform on other side, get into a slow train and reach Santacruz.
no need to climb up and down the staircase, only ones on the staircase would be those whose destination is that station.
such tracks exist in lonavala Pune section where the stretch is only two tracks but it splits into 4 tracks at some stations so that local trains take the inner tracks (1 and 4) while mail trains pass through on inner tracks (2 and 3)
(1) All 3 main lines ke beech me interlink karke uspe Metro ya local train chalaye ( for e.g. transharbor is interlink between Central and Harbor line ) (2) Western aur Central railway stations ko redesign karke Navi Mumbai jaisa dono tarf se utarne, chadhne ke liye platform
Agar train ki design change na karke Stations ko hi double decker kar diya jaye or train ke andar har ek compartment mein ek stair ese adjust kiya jaye jisse upar or niche kahi bhi problem na ho or upar wale upar ke station mein utar jayenge or niche wale niche ki station mein esa ho to kaisa hoga??
Har station me aise nahi karsakte kyun cost bhi bahut hoga aur feasible nahi kyun station sirf local ke liye nahi bana hai agar upar bhi platform hua to normal express train ko bhi doble decker karna padega jo ki feasible nahi hai
Paisa kon dega 😂😂
Creative idea 💡👌
@@shrin210 Government dega or kon..
@@archanbhattacharya1097 Government ko kon dega 😂
Public toh deti nhi h Free ka local train m karte h
How about some "only standing local" in peek hours???
Hear me out!!!
My POV (I'm sure many would agree)
Time spent in train: 1hr+ one way
70% days i travel entirely standing.
20% days i get to sit for last 10-15 mins.
10% days i skip trains because of no space.
Those who don't want to stand and not in a rush can wait. And those who don't care because they travel standing anyways would get on it.
Ventilation needs to be improved/redesigned that's for sure.
If everyone is going to stand, won't it hinder the air flow inside?
In Mumbai biggest problem in local train people facing is of not the space but a problem so far ignored by all. The problem is 4 door coaches. Because of this in platform people overcrowding in order to reach doors. At the same time inside the train again people overcrowd near the 4 gates to get easy exit.
When train come to halt from platform people start climbing even before train stop only to face the people getting ready to alight. This create a he'll of a situation for exit and entry.
Otherwise inside the train people manage the space available.
This exit entry problem can be solved only by increasing the doors . A coach can easily redesign with at least 6 or 7 doors in place of 4. This will dispers the density of crowing at 4 to 6 or 7 . Life will be easier. Standing space increasing means better commuting.
Authority must think about this Otherwise when all trains come with closed door facility travel will become much more difficult as the density of traveling public per minute per train is unbelievable in Mumbai.
Will anyone in railways start thinking this????
Atleast IR must shift local train's electrical equipment into underslung of the train
It will help increaseing capacity without adding any coaches. And make coaches interconnected and air conditioning
It's already being done in newer trains
@@PowerTrain double decker train is the only solution,in Europe they handle over crowd by double decker and its effective
Currently it's being experimented in 1 AC local. Looks like it will be implemented in future.
Double decker inner city trains can only be viable if you have separate upper and lower deck entrances and ramps and crowd control bariers. It's very specialised solutions done in only few places and it breaks the platform for standard trains.
Double deckers in normal set up should be only be used in long distance routes.
Flying raanee already chalti hai wide door ke sath & double dekar me interior metro jesa ho jaye to solution aa jayega , dadar chadhne utarane ki jagah side me raheni chahiye
#AskPT:
Can coach number be increased to 20 in this local trains, as already long route trains have 22-23 coaches approx.
Platforms are not so long
@@akhilghag5898 yes
Platform issue
I guess it can be done on central line and western line but not on harbour because platform issue
Platform badaye ja skta h ye sab vande Bharat k natanki na karke
Instead of making DD local trains, WR/CR can make use of metro-like design in the current locals. In metro, there is more space for standing and less place for sitting, if this is used then capacity can increase because of loss of seats. This is my opinion which could work but only thing that can save overcrowding is automatic doors and Mumbai metro
they tried that by cutting the seat size,
i have been in such a train, people didnt like it much
But there are people who travel from Andheri to CST or kalyan to nerul for office and college due to which they need seats so that they can atleast sit for some time and take rest
@@jayeshchoudhary2570 That is true but because of overcrowding too people lose their lives
Waise me sochta hoon ki jo ICF Non-AC DoubDeck coaches hai wo Fast shuttle during rush hour ke liye use kiya jaa sakhte hai especially in Mumbai and Kolkata... For example- Kalyan to CSTM jo beech me sirf Thane aur Dadar me rukega. Similarly, Vasai - Andheri - Dadar - Churchgate/CSMT fast shuttle. For Kolkata Mecheda - Howrah via Bagnan, Uluberia, Santragachhi; then Kalyani - Sealdah via Barrackpore and Dumdum; Bandel - Howrah via Chandannagore, Serampore and Bally agar chalye to I think Mumbai aur Kolkata me overcrowding ka problem kuchh haad tak solve ho jayega...
Railways long distance ke liye toh Fast Local chalata hai, lekin agar short distance ke liye bhi Fast shuttle service with DoubDeck coaches chalaye, jaha sabse zyada bhir hota hai, toh overcrowding thoda solve hoga..
1st of all the same idea which is used in current double decor train is not necessary to be used
Insted we can create double decor train my multiple platforms means 2 platform 1 on top of other.
And trains will be just one on top of other
One thing can be done..... Defined entry and exit doors may be given which will ease boarding and Deboarding
Instead of double decker trains, we can have bridges over existing local network and run trains on both tracks (on Bridge and Normal Track)
also at station level we can have platform on bridge itself, to minimize infrastructure rework we can have only fast stations such as Thane, Ghatkopar, Kurla, Dadar, CSMT as double platform stations so that fast trains will run on bridges and slow trains will run on below normal tracks. also wherever road bridges crossing over rail line we need to elevate these bridges as we have done in Metros. This will surely double the capacity if we manage crowds at stations particularly fast stations. this will generate revenue to railways in long run such as extra space for shops and advertisement. Also considering special trains for long distance trips such as Badlapur, Virar which will not halt at unnecessary stations which will reduce travel time for long distance commuters.
Well you should see the Sydney local train, it is a double decker train with more space and comfort.
I think indian railway should make double decker local train like Sydney.
true I live in Sydney and mostly I take train, its so comfortable. 99% times you will get the seats. You can enjoy your coffee.
Is complete standing seats a viable ans useful options for local trains? In peak hours on experimental basis few coach can be made seating less, will be able to accomodate more passangers, the ones travelling shorter distances can choose to travel in those.
At ground level we can use electrifying train above we can use metro and we need to update the station so we can use another metros too..
I believe the doorway passage is important but the bogey design needs improvement if we rearrange the seating each bogey can accommodate more passengers easily.
I see this personally if the seats took less space people can come in and out more easily and breathability will improve.
I think we should focus on population decline better for upcoming generations.
Well,The mainline double decker is useless for local trains but can design new coaches with big corridor and doors like mini double decker train and best example could be Sydney metro though some would say Sydney has less ridership but if the trains are more frequent it may work
Can't we make double decker platform for the doors designed only for upper deck.
The only solution for the crowd of Mumbai's local train is decentralize the south Mumbai businesses
The only solution is more and more metro also development of other cities so people go to those cities for jobs too not just Mumbai. Kaafi jayda population issue hai
One thing that can reduce crowd in Mumbai local that setup industries and businesses in all other cities like vododra Surat Lucknow kanpur Bhopal itarsi Indore jabalpur etc
Please make a video on cbtc signalling system
Soon
A major problem with big infrastructures is once they are built then it becomes really difficult to modify them.
Another menace in Local Trains is people standing in Half part of the doorways and thus only half part of the double doors is actually available for passengers to get in and get out.
one easy way of cancelling this culture is to make it official that all exits must be from the side the train is going and all entry must be made from the other side of the door
ie if the train is going to Virar, then at Dadar station, platform is on left hand side, the left-hand side part of the doorway (pointing towards Virar) should be the one for alighting while the right-hand side should be for getting in.
at Bandra, Andheri, Borivali, it would be the right-hand side for alighting and left-hand side for getting in as platform is on the right side of the train.
if this rule was made official, the door blocking situation will automatically become illegal.
this rule will also help in passenger behavior when AC trains with closed doors become the Norm.
perfect solution would be double discharge stations, but it is too late to implement it.
#Askpt
Is the bullet train in India double or more line ?
Absolutely enjoy your content. Although, I do have a suggestion, consider making them in English.
Hi Powertrain, your video was very informative, even i was talking the same topic while traveling in local train, i also came up with the idea of double decker train, but later i too realised that it'll be a failure.
Suggestion:
How about making a different layout for the local during peak hours
Ex 1 : make all 15 coaches of local train with the config of single door system means for 1 coach only 1 single door which will open from top to bottom and vice versa or make 2 huge doors for 1 coach will open in traditional manner (mind that this train will be AC ventilated and will reflect design of somewhat our metro train)
This train will not have any railing , seats etc which will create obstruction
Ex 2 : during peak hours, we can use the above config train in split manner ,means out of 15 coaches, 10 coach will be like i explained above and 5 coaches will be normal current used coaches
This will be really helpfull for people onboarding and alighting easily which are short distance travellers and also for long distance travellers (they can sit on those 5 coaches during peak hours)
I am sure, this will be very effective for mumbaikars ,less chance of stabbing etc
Please read this one ❤❤❤
Making people follow will be difficult and also increase ingress and debarking time
@@PowerTrain how come ? You'll have 1 single door which will work similarly like our current coaches .. instead i think people will swiftly enter and exit the coaches comfortable... Also some platforms have both sides entry/exit point those stations will help more
@@surendravishwakarma5654 single door = high traffic on that door to ingress/outgress.
make road connectivity from Virar Vasai and also trams track
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Why We Should Move Away from Double Deckers
RMTransit Double Deckers may seem like an obvious solution to bring our ridership numbers up, but is it really the best choice we have?
00:00 Introduction
01:36 Why am I talking about this?
02:10 When to use single vs double decker
this may or may not apply to Indian Scenerio but it is a good listen
#AskPt. What are the hurdles faced by MRVC to upgrade signalling systems to CBTC and track designs for high speed rail?
Until and unless express/mail lines are completely segregated from local lines this is not possible. Currently fast lines share tracks with express/mail and semi-fast locals change tracks between fast and slow lines. Even if complete segregation is achieved it won't happen that easily. To convert such a large system to CBTC you will have to keep sections of suburban lines closed for months if not a year. This is absolutely not possible in case of Mumbai. The lifeline cannot be stopped for more than 2-3 days.
High speed rail is for longer distances and cannot be used for short distance travelling. Converting local trains tracks to high speed would be waste of money.
Wait for metro network to build out and expressways to complete. This pressure might not exist.
If you still want double decker, think as stacked. Top layer will exit on its own platform level
It needs more frequency.
That's the only solution.
Expand stations and add more lines.
Perhaps most stations with 4 lines, so slow and fast go together.
There's no other solution.
Double decker only makes sense for shuttle service
I'm fearing with metro, local train will be ignored.
Mumbai - Nashik and Mumbai- Pune can also reduce crowd in local trains
Uk in both sections ghats ata hai local train ghats nahi Chad sakta so bad idea
@@AmartyaRao356 rrts se ho sakta hai, Vande Bharat has been successful
@@MrPrandhir hmm oo tohbasa mention kar na
I m in railway signal dept.
Mumbai suburban root are already automated signal..
Only solution is either make metro route or extra track for local..
#askpt Instead of double decker trains, why can't we have double floor railway tracks. It will take huge cost. But considering land cost of Mumbai it will have good return to scale
Yeah even I was thinking that but I see two issues.
First is something he already highlighted, the increased heights would require higher power lines, brigdes, underpasses etc. That would be very costly.
Secondly, making train higher would result in a higher center of gravity. That would increase the risk trains toppling over at high speeds. The way to counter this would be to increase the gauge length, which would be insanely expensive.
You mean a elevated track on the existing tracks. Yaa this will be costly but even if we try to build this it would be a challenge as the elevated track needs to be created without hampering the trains flow beneath it. Plus all the platforms also need to be also elevated.
Best option he ki seats hi nikal de sab log khade khade jayenge aur space bhi badh jayega secondly doors aur wide kar dene chahiye jisse logo ko chadhne utarne aur chadne me dikkat na ho aur ye trains only office hours ya rush hours ke time hi chalani chahiye
I have a thought.
Running only fast local trains In speed of 160.
Trains will have automatic doors and no seats inside the train. More people can be accommodated.
I think train should be 15 coaches and run only between CSMT and Kalyan.(I am considering Central Line only)
Travel time from CSMT to kalyan even in fast train takes 1hour because average train speed is only 50-60kmph. If the speed is almost tripled then time taken will be only around 20mins from Kalyan to CSMT for which commuters can stand. And mostly people get down at Dadar only.
I think train can halt at Kalyan, Dombivali, Thane, Ghatkopar,Kurla,Dadar and Direct CSMT.
I think this thought is ridiculous but it would be quiet nice
FROM MR PETER CASTELLINO , BOMBAY , 23-4-2023.
I FULLY DISAGREE BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO BE FULLY RELAXED WHENEVER THEY TRAVEL .
Wow I was thinking about this for a quite long time and loved how you covered this in a video.... telepathy at the next level
double decker local trains can be implemented with double decker platforms which would need a complete overhaul of station designs
How about double decker platforms for double decker local trains?
What will happen if there are more people on the upper deck?
Metro ka jaal bichhao
Local se jaan chhudao❤
Double decker trains ko long route ke liye chalana chahiye jo busy route ho uss pe chalana chahiye jaise ki bihar se delhi, mumbai, gujarat Kyuki ye routes bahut kharab hai bahot jyada rush hai in sab route me
Nice logic, but it's not trains design issue, it's mumbai infrastructure issue. Routes are not change from long time..
coaches should be connected to each other, passengers can pass one to another
For real
We should redevelop this local train system like tokoyo local trains
Too costly
Local train me kaun sa coach use hota hai bhai? Koi technical naam?
what if they start running short distance trains like Dadar to churchgate or bandra to dadar, and have sittings like metro, people can travel while standing for few minutes, creating separate platforms for the short distance train will not affect the traffic of regular trains, this might not solve the problem of overcrowding, but will provide relief to the passengers who travel on short distances.
skip from 1:46 to 2:18 and save your eyes🙂
@powertrain I beg to differ. Double Decker trains is not a stupid idea. Sydney Australia is a perfect example. But yes, for it to be effective in Bombay given the population, other modes of transport need to developed first. So may be around 2030 once the metro system is established and becomes the main mode of public transport.
#askpt
How standard Guage so stable in high speed then broad gauge
But they can use flying ranee and Valsad fast passenger coaches
Why is everyone talking about making a new transport system to decrease the crowd rather than city planning, making new cities and encouraging companies to build new offices in the outermost parts of Mumbai metropolitan city maybe even outside kalyan-dombivli city? That way you can change the crowd moving patterns and decrease the crowd and the most important advantage is saving time which mumbai needs it.
I think this channel can make a video on this very topic.
Very difficult
Power supply cables wud b major hurdle
Over head traffic bridges wud b second hurdle
Rake design has to b changed thoroughly and its nt possible
But yes, purely new rake has to b designed as per mail express double decker coaches
Passengers themselves hv to maintain some rules thn only its possible
We provide them charchgte to virar and centre line CSTM to kajrat route and kasara route
Very cool video New here awesome stuff very cool 👍🏻🚂🎥😎TSM
A circular track,a circular full track length train ,a circular full length track above it ,a short length train above it , successively with low speed .
What if they remove sitting from few coaches ? So that more people can fit but they have to travel by standing
It's not a stupid idea. AC trains halt much more time than normal train. If Railway afford that time this is affordable too.
Also, it lower deck can be made same as metro where more standing should be there and Upper deck should focus for Long distant passenger with seatings seat. Moreover, Doors should be automatic too though it's Non-Ac Train as our windows are big enough and some ventilation design can be added.
Exactly.... This guy thinks he knows everything
Need bothside platform like Thane Vashi track, also need 5 AC dibbas and other NON AC in local trains.
I got to know that dd coach and ac3tier coaches have same height, because dd has almost flat roof and ac3 has kind of parabolic cross section roof, dd loooks af it's unusually large, but it reaches same height has ac3tier's extra roof dome height, so height is not a problem
Wow. Good to know👍🏼
There Can Be One Solution wherein We have Double Decker Special Trains With Entry And Exit Of the Upper half Being By A Overhead Platform On the Station matlab Station has to be modified With Another overhead walk Jaha par upar waale log directly nikal jaaye aur board kre sam niche ka alag chalega it's like ek ke upar ek..rkhna bas thoda height Kum krke
Mumbai me platform already narrow hai
Alteast foot over bridge daalne ki jagah nahi hoti
@@shiekkaleem4539 woh hai but Wo As Infra Upgrade try kr skte hai maybe...
What about developing metro in Mumbai like Delhi metro?
Just like Airbus has upper level ingress/egress, it is quite possible for major stations to have a platforms on upper level too..
While everyone is focusing on metro to reduce conjunction in trains. We should also prioritize our buses system. Make bus rides more comfortable (AC electric buses). And spread awareness about the same. Only Buses + metro + local trains can reduce the conjunction on road. It can't be done alone by local trains and metro without buses.
Just correction its not 30 to 32 seconds. It is 13 to 15sec max
What about two deck platforms as a solution.
What about Mumbai to Nashik & Mumbai to Pune Local train???
Metro style seating is best option. It gives plenty of space for people to stand.
You guys are in dire need of metro, our Delhi metro have a footprint of more than 22 lakhs per day so it will definitely reduce burden on your train system.
Railway chahe to 400 vande Bharat me 50 DOUBLE DECKER VANDE BHARAT bhi la sakta hai specially un route me jaha already double stack container, double decker, Autolinx car carrier chal rahi hai
You have add one more time
Sab logon ko apne station pe pehle utarna hota hai crowd ki vajhah se jara bhi late ho gaye to sidha next next to log 1station pehle hi corridor mein ate hai or vo duble decker mein possible hi nahi hai
In order to launch double decker local train there should also be double decker platforms so that upper deck peoples can get down and up in upper deck and same goes for lower deck
That would be expensive as hell ...not feasible concept
Local train to vardan he ek mumbaikar k liye har 5 min me free yatra itni tez...uske baad metro bhi har jagah vaha ban jana chahiye ...mumbai jesi city me kahi bhi metro bana do chalegi hi..vo bhi full capacity pr....underground metro bhi aur banna cahhiye mumbai me...dusara thoda auto valo kam karna cahhiaye...tisra car valo ko alternate days chalane ka rule bana do
DFC ki tarah HT line ki hight badha de to coch me head room jyada milega
I disagree with this. Please read the entire comment.
Intermediate and long distance trains will benefit heavily from double-decker wagens.
Germany uses something called doppelstockwagen. These trains are designed very well. The doors are really wide and offer level boarding in 95% cases in all trains. The crowd is not as much as in rush hour Mumbai locals but not too less either. You'll be surprised how crowded these German trains get, especially during holiday season the crowd is wost than in India
These trains are designed with lighter metals and the latest emu version uses a single shared co-co bogies with 2 couches like the TGV.
These trains come with max of 14 emu double decker couches, are completely AC'ed and support max speed of 200kmph. All this is achieved on standard gauge of tracks not even broad guage like India. This means with the right intent and possible help from Siemens or Alstom, we can build a double decker emu trainset that can be lighter, faster and more spacious than not only our existing Vande Bharat express but also better than its europian doppelstockwagen counterparts.
Reference: The German DB new IC2 doppelstockwagen (this does not have the shared bogies like TGV but the rest is as it is)
Do some research and let me know what you think.
Comments are open for all and I would encourage a civil debate.
Thanks.