very nice and helpful. admire the detail of instruction. I have a relatively weak set of forearm extensors which limits my power on my backcast - to compensate, at the end of my forward cast I rotate my wrist, making sure I keep the rod tip at the center of the rotation, and then on the back cast I can use delayed, much more powerful wrist extension in combination with my haul. This has dramatically improved my accuracy, and my distance. Also it facilitates my body rotation to see the back cast, and front cast. Does anyone you know of a reasonable degree of expertise use this method?
Hi and yes. :) by rotating your wrist at the end of the forward cast, do you mean flexion or do you mean rotating the plane like a screwdriver to allow extension? Chris Korich does the first for accuracy and I do the second for distance 170. We are definitely coming to this stuff! Not next episode but the 2 or 3 afterwards.
@@SexyloopsTV thanks for the quick response. Yes, yes, at the end of the forward cast, I pronate the wrist to the inside and down, rotating the thumb inside so that the thumb ends under the other grasping fingers. then when I begin the back cast I can use the thumb/wrist pressure to get that final acceleration. As the line extends, I once again rotate the thumb outward to have the thumb on the bottom for the forward cast. I find that you have much more power if you can add the synergy of the thumb to the wrist extension. You and other are seen to compensate for weak wrist extension by putting the butt of the rod against your forearm. That certainly helps, but I have to think that this technique I'm using makes the power of the forward cast much more mirrored in the backcast. Thought????? so admire all you do and understand.
Paul, one other point (After watching Chris video), is that the thumb action adds one more joint to the power application using the wrist, the elbow, and the shoulder... with this technique you end with thumb pressure on both the forward and backward casts.
@@turninflat in my opinion that grip becomes restrictive at some point as we increase distance. The two grips I normally see used by the longest distance casters are the V grip and the Cradle grip. This is why we are doing this in steps 70, 100+, 100-115, 120+ and then an all-out exploration at 130+. While picking the components and drills that commonly take flycasters through these respective levels. For example we haven’t made a big thing about tracking. Now I think tracking is very important in distance casting (of course!) but I can see plenty of examples of 100’ casts with no regards to tracking! Consequently I think tracking becomes progressively more important as distance increases (we start to mention it in the next video and then we will go to town on it at 110-115). I think we can say the same about every aspect/component of the stroke; as distance increases, everything starts to become progressively more important. So the focus of this exercise is to mirror teaching. In this case how to take a 50’ caster and teach him/her to throw 70’. Next will be to take that 70’ caster and teach them to throw 100+ and so on. Believe me it’s going to get more and more technical because as we know distance is about technique 😆 At 120 we are really going to take the grip to pieces! I hope that makes sense!! Cheers!
@@turninflat just seen the previous reply 😆 Yep I think it’s mostly about wrist plane but there are some other options too. Bracing the butt into the forearm will definitely be discussed later as well. It makes longer line carry possible.
Thank you guys this information it is so much appreciated. I am stuck at 85 to 90 feet and have recently stated to record my self casting. I was surprised to see how little wrist rotation I have on my backcast. Do you shoot line out on your backcast and do you start the forward cast a little before the line straightens out to increase the load on the rod.
Good questions! I usually shoot into final backcast when fishing but not in comp. I find that I get a longer forward cast if I don’t shoot on the final backcast. In fact I have to really check that I don’t subconsciously slip line at loop straight. I certainly don’t “hit the J” and this causes catastrophic loop failure for me. However there may be forward movement prior to loop straight (rod/hand/body repositioning, particularly with the 170). We will definitely get into this as we hit the higher numbers. Thanks 👍
I notice in this video that Paul gets some sneaky practice in using a dustpan. That's something he has obviously kept a closely guarded secret up until now. It's so unfair on we mere mortals to be kept in the dark when it comes to the blue dustpan and its magical properties. Spill the beans.
My hunch is that the extra air resistance of the dustpan is how he builds up his casting muscles, like a sprinter dragging a weight behind himself on the track. Since he lives in Paradise, I can't imagine any other reason, like there being any biting insects, to induce this behaviour.
At this time of year the trees are flowering and jungle bees feed on socks. I play this light-hearted game with the dustpan because if I don’t 500 bees move in.
If I'm carrying 80feet in the backcast, what should I be shooting, on top of the 80 feet carry on the final forward cast? I'm only half way through the video so my apologies if you as answered this question some way in the video. Great idea as well guys. Oh, it's a Barrio GT 125 #7 line.
Hi Paul. James tested this www.sexyloops.com/index.php/ps/shoot-v-carry On an 80’ carry shooting 40-50%. But it depends on lines, conditions and other factors.
Yep the way I would put it is that his backcast is mostly rotation with little or no drag/translation before hand. That will definitely change as his carry length increases.
@Paul Arden you talked about having the fly line on the ground and then a fwd cast to shoot the whole line, can you include that in your next video please Cheers
hey guys just discovered sexloops. love it. give a rod to complete beginer and his elbow and forearm will stay put and his wrist will do at least 180 . mayby thats where it comes from. just a thought
For sure. Too much wrist is the same as too much of anything. But to freeze it completely as a consequence is a bit drastic! The real trick is to take the momentum of the body, block or brake its motion, and allow this momentum to transfer upwards and move the wrist and rod for us. Done well, this can result in higher line speed, tighter loops and for less effort from the caster. Freezing or applying bondage to the wrist prevents the caster for doing or learning this. Hands up, I did not fully appreciate this myself until a number of years ago either. IMO, we got it wrong. That’s not to say that we are not doing this ourselves, many are! But I think fully understanding the process can be a small lightbulb moment. It certainly was for me. I could not understand why my left arm was getting tired when trying to learn this hand. Are my left arm muscles weaker? No I know they are not because I lift the same weights and if anything my left arm is slightly stronger. Maybe the problem is the small muscles? But those were not getting tired! It was then I realised I was trying to force the rod back with the forearm using the left, whereas what I do with the right, is keep it relaxed and follow the process described above (without realising it). That was my lightbulb. Talking with John Waters in Australia and Phil Blackmar in Texas about biomechanics in flycasting and other sports, during lockdown, really allowed me to pull this apart. Old dogs sometimes do learn new tricks 😆
Awesome video guys. Cant wait for the next one!
Great video guys. I’m looking forward to the next ones.
Is flailing with a blue dustpan also recommended?
Solid Gold !!
Awesome video
Thanks for sharing
very nice and helpful. admire the detail of instruction. I have a relatively weak set of forearm extensors which limits my power on my backcast - to compensate, at the end of my forward cast I rotate my wrist, making sure I keep the rod tip at the center of the rotation, and then on the back cast I can use delayed, much more powerful wrist extension in combination with my haul. This has dramatically improved my accuracy, and my distance. Also it facilitates my body rotation to see the back cast, and front cast.
Does anyone you know of a reasonable degree of expertise use this method?
Hi and yes. :) by rotating your wrist at the end of the forward cast, do you mean flexion or do you mean rotating the plane like a screwdriver to allow extension? Chris Korich does the first for accuracy and I do the second for distance 170. We are definitely coming to this stuff! Not next episode but the 2 or 3 afterwards.
@@SexyloopsTV thanks for the quick response. Yes, yes, at the end of the forward cast, I pronate the wrist to the inside and down, rotating the thumb inside so that the thumb ends under the other grasping fingers. then when I begin the back cast I can use the thumb/wrist pressure to get that final acceleration. As the line extends, I once again rotate the thumb outward to have the thumb on the bottom for the forward cast. I find that you have much more power if you can add the synergy of the thumb to the wrist extension. You and other are seen to compensate for weak wrist extension by putting the butt of the rod against your forearm. That certainly helps, but I have to think that this technique I'm using makes the power of the forward cast much more mirrored in the backcast. Thought????? so admire all you do and understand.
Paul, one other point (After watching Chris video), is that the thumb action adds one more joint to the power application using the wrist, the elbow, and the shoulder... with this technique you end with thumb pressure on both the forward and backward casts.
@@turninflat in my opinion that grip becomes restrictive at some point as we increase distance. The two grips I normally see used by the longest distance casters are the V grip and the Cradle grip. This is why we are doing this in steps 70, 100+, 100-115, 120+ and then an all-out exploration at 130+. While picking the components and drills that commonly take flycasters through these respective levels. For example we haven’t made a big thing about tracking. Now I think tracking is very important in distance casting (of course!) but I can see plenty of examples of 100’ casts with no regards to tracking! Consequently I think tracking becomes progressively more important as distance increases (we start to mention it in the next video and then we will go to town on it at 110-115). I think we can say the same about every aspect/component of the stroke; as distance increases, everything starts to become progressively more important. So the focus of this exercise is to mirror teaching. In this case how to take a 50’ caster and teach him/her to throw 70’. Next will be to take that 70’ caster and teach them to throw 100+ and so on. Believe me it’s going to get more and more technical because as we know distance is about technique 😆 At 120 we are really going to take the grip to pieces! I hope that makes sense!! Cheers!
@@turninflat just seen the previous reply 😆 Yep I think it’s mostly about wrist plane but there are some other options too. Bracing the butt into the forearm will definitely be discussed later as well. It makes longer line carry possible.
Thank you guys this information it is so much appreciated. I am stuck at 85 to 90 feet and have recently stated to record my self casting. I was surprised to see how little wrist rotation I have on my backcast. Do you shoot line out on your backcast and do you start the forward cast a little before the line straightens out to increase the load on the rod.
Good questions! I usually shoot into final backcast when fishing but not in comp. I find that I get a longer forward cast if I don’t shoot on the final backcast. In fact I have to really check that I don’t subconsciously slip line at loop straight.
I certainly don’t “hit the J” and this causes catastrophic loop failure for me. However there may be forward movement prior to loop straight (rod/hand/body repositioning, particularly with the 170).
We will definitely get into this as we hit the higher numbers. Thanks 👍
I notice in this video that Paul gets some sneaky practice in using a dustpan. That's something he has obviously kept a closely guarded secret up until now. It's so unfair on we mere mortals to be kept in the dark when it comes to the blue dustpan and its magical properties.
Spill the beans.
My hunch is that the extra air resistance of the dustpan is how he builds up his casting muscles, like a sprinter dragging a weight behind himself on the track. Since he lives in Paradise, I can't imagine any other reason, like there being any biting insects, to induce this behaviour.
At this time of year the trees are flowering and jungle bees feed on socks. I play this light-hearted game with the dustpan because if I don’t 500 bees move in.
@@SexyloopsTV Socks? Why on earth would you be wearing socks?
@@DaddyT3T4 because they make the sandals look cool 😎
@@DaddyT3T4 I have a bike on the boat 😎
If I'm carrying 80feet in the backcast, what should I be shooting, on top of the 80 feet carry on the final forward cast? I'm only half way through the video so my apologies if you as answered this question some way in the video. Great idea as well guys. Oh, it's a Barrio GT 125 #7 line.
Hi Paul. James tested this www.sexyloops.com/index.php/ps/shoot-v-carry On an 80’ carry shooting 40-50%. But it depends on lines, conditions and other factors.
80’ is an excellent carry by the way!! 💪
@@SexyloopsTV looks like I'll have to meet up with Nick at our local memorial park. My transition must be at fault and/or probably a myriad of errors.
Brilliant!
It looks like Nick breaks his wrist on the start of his backcast in those last 2 distance casts,
Yep the way I would put it is that his backcast is mostly rotation with little or no drag/translation before hand. That will definitely change as his carry length increases.
@Paul Arden you talked about having the fly line on the ground and then a fwd cast to shoot the whole line, can you include that in your next video please
Cheers
@@alhughes101 yep no problems.
Brilliant.Think Paul needs to synchronize the timing better on the bug swatter 😈
😆
@16:00 “…one, two, three, five. One, two, three, five”. Where did four go? 😂
@@cachi-7878 there is no 4 on Sexyloops. It’s complicated 🤣
Oh, I seem to have missed the 30 - 50 video 😜
😆
Little too much wrist on the dust pan back cast
hey guys just discovered sexloops. love it. give a rod to complete beginer and his elbow and forearm will stay put and his wrist will do at least 180 . mayby thats where it comes from. just a thought
For sure. Too much wrist is the same as too much of anything. But to freeze it completely as a consequence is a bit drastic! The real trick is to take the momentum of the body, block or brake its motion, and allow this momentum to transfer upwards and move the wrist and rod for us. Done well, this can result in higher line speed, tighter loops and for less effort from the caster. Freezing or applying bondage to the wrist prevents the caster for doing or learning this.
Hands up, I did not fully appreciate this myself until a number of years ago either. IMO, we got it wrong. That’s not to say that we are not doing this ourselves, many are! But I think fully understanding the process can be a small lightbulb moment. It certainly was for me.
I could not understand why my left arm was getting tired when trying to learn this hand. Are my left arm muscles weaker? No I know they are not because I lift the same weights and if anything my left arm is slightly stronger. Maybe the problem is the small muscles? But those were not getting tired! It was then I realised I was trying to force the rod back with the forearm using the left, whereas what I do with the right, is keep it relaxed and follow the process described above (without realising it). That was my lightbulb.
Talking with John Waters in Australia and Phil Blackmar in Texas about biomechanics in flycasting and other sports, during lockdown, really allowed me to pull this apart.
Old dogs sometimes do learn new tricks 😆