Love the vid! You should do a tutorial or BTS of how you set up certain shots with slog 2 and hlg 3! People talk about exposing 2 stops, like that type of stuff I don't understand still.
Yeah we thought this may be the case as exposing +2 stops or 0 for slog2 or HLG3 is a lot easier said than done. We’ll definitely make a note of that for a future follow up tutorial. We really appreciate the feedback!
Just got an A7iii and you guys upload this same day!? Meant to be! 💯 Can you guys do a sound design video!? Like how you find sounds and songs and how you layer them together would be amazing!!
excellent video! I was having problems with color accuracy on my zve10. I tested several picture profiles and didn't find any that delivered the color accuracy I was looking for. the red tones were turning pinkish and the orange was turning yellowish. Finally, with the settings you suggested for the HLG3, the colors were true to reality
@@meliorstudios Amazing!! thanks for your kind answer, so you would recommend to use ISO manually in both profiles? (S-log and HLG or just in one of those??) Thanks! :)))
Even if you used slog3 to try and match to an fx3, you will have so much noise and banding appear that it won’t be worth it, hence what I do with my Sony A7iii and A7siii is shoot on slog2 on the Sony A7iii and then match it up through careful color grade in post
Hey there! thanks for all your resources! Can you explain in detail why you don't shoot slog3 and prefer slog2?? Doesn't slog3 have more information to work in shadows/highlights? thank you!
While you are correct about your statement, the A7iii is an 8-bit camera and when you push it to past its limits, SLOG3, you are bound to have banding easily because you have less colors to work with compared to 10-bit. A simple “8-bit vs 10-bit” video will help you more on that.
For slo mo with the A7iii we either shoot with 4K 30fps and slow that down by 80% (though we would t call this SLO mo I guess) or 1080p 120fps. We usually avoid 60fps on the A7iii as the bit rate and image quality isn’t as good
@@apipmyblack hey man! We think the A7iv is a brilliant camera. Compared to the 8-bit A7iii it’s 10-bit which is so much easier for grading. You can also finally do 60fps at 4K which is huge despite it being a crop. If someone was looking at either the a7iv or A7iii I’d definitely ask what budget they have. If you’re doing just narrative 24fps, the A7iv will not be too much of an upgrade from the a7iii but if you are looking to do 4K SLO mo then the A7iv is much better. Both are great hybrid cameras. The A7iv definitely competes more with the Fuji X-T4 and Canon R5 hybrid cameras
Thanks for your video Why is every tuto/forum i go everyone settings detail to -2 or -7? i'm getting confused when I get more info about wide gammut videography lol
HLG3 is better in lowlight as the profile is less flat, hence you don’t have to push the image too much to get contrast and color back, therefore it won’t break up as much
Hey guys! You changed my mind about upgrading the sony a7iii for the moment, the footage you achieved with this camera is amazing! I just wanted to ask you about how do you measure the exposure while shooting s-log2 (+2) or HLG3 (+-0), do you see the in camera meter? the histogram? Both? Do you use zebras for highlights? And what about the metering mode? Do you set it to multi, or center? Sorry for too many questions, I just need a brief and general answer hah
Hey Juan! That’s awesome to hear, we’re glad you’ve decided to keep the A7iii a while longer, it’s definitely overlooked with the images you can produce. We actually have a video coming later out this month (99% most likely) on how to perfectly expose for Slog2 and HLG3 on the A7iii. But in brief, we use the metering mode (M.M.) on the lcd screen (middle of the bottom of the screen) and use spot metering. Got Slog2, correct, we expose for +2 stops. So making sure the number besides M.M is +2. If it’s flashing then you’re overexposing. We use spot metering and first point this at our subject, if it’s a person then their face. Then we’ll expose till it gets to +2.0 and then compose our clip. If we’re overexposed we use an ND Filter to lower the exposure. If it’s under exposed we lower the Aperture value (open it up) or bump the iso up. Max like 1000 iso but 1600 is still passable. We’ll write about HLG later today
@@meliorstudios Thanks a lot for the reply! That was my doubt, what does the camera consider +2 stops when it's on multi M.M, a bit difficult to calculate. So exposing for the subject or area of interest with spot metering is going to be the solution! Thanks again, very helpful!
@@meliorstudios I've done some tests and BT.2020 colours look better to me. But If you want to use Premiere Pro, you have to interpret all footages to rec.709 before placing them on timeline. Otherwise everything is blowing out. There is no such problem in Davinci though
hello, im really struggling with my sony a7iii and grading as a whole, your final products look amazing and i cant even get near that, i would really like some help if there is a video or person i can talk to please patch me in, thank you
hHey ! Great simple and very usefull video. I had the exact same adjustments, which in normal light conditions worked fine, but in bright light conditions my videos where over exposed ! how can i adjust that ? my iso was to minimum also my aperture to maximum
@@meliorstudios Thank you, I did try with the setting but I don't know why the video with Slog2 turn pinkish when I open the Gamma assist, the video seems very weird..
@henry60204 that’ll just be the gamma assist, once you take it into resolve or premiere pro, you’ll have much more control of the Colors and it’ll be a lot less magenta
how to achieve the look in shot like 0:11. I also tried using s-log2 tried to color grade it but the lighting is just different here. Can someone explain, thanks
These settings work great for wedding videography! But camera wise, the A7iii lacks in the slow motion department, which doesn’t make it the best for weddings
@@meliorstudios i agree with you, the lacks of 4K slow motion, makes it very difficult, that's why i will move to A7 IV. Thank you so much for the info. Great job guys!!!
@@meliorstudios i shoot a lot of weddings as video, few more as photographer and i have some commercial videos. If it wasn't the photography, i want the Sony SIII. And my jaws dropped with the R5, but the price is high for me.
I think a hybrid camera that’s great with photos and video seems to suit you good. We use the R5 for interview work and honestly it’s great but I’ve found the dynamic range on the A7iv to be better on video
When using slog3 you can simply use the standard PP8 profile but I don’t recommend using it on cameras like the A7iii. It’s great on the A7siii, FX3 and FX6 etc
Thanks,, it's a week I bought Sony a7iii with lens Sigma 35mm f1.4 DG DN.🙂 I have a question: Why do you recommend ITU.709 MATRIX and not the (S-Gamut) in S-LOG2 PP7🤔?!!! And after completing the recording, are you color grade the video on Adobe premiere pro? I think (S-Gamut) in SLOG2 PP7 is more cinematic. You would help me a lot by solving this question. Long live your channel!
Hey! We originally did use S-gamut with slog2 in PP7. However we found with s-gamut on the Sony A7iii there is a big shift in colour towards magenta in the final image as we explained in the video. Therefore through some research online we found and alternative ITU.709 matrix. And we’ve found this works better with our workflow as the footage is much nicer to grade and there isn’t a huge shift in colour. However with that said, at the end of the if S-gamut works for you go for it! We just found using ITU.709 matrix in post provides a faster workflow. We edit and grade everything in Davinci resolve
hi guys, and thanks first of all. i set hlg3 in my camera and i will do some tests at night. I recently bought the andycine 4k plus external monitor. it's normal that the image is darker than the camera monitor? What settings for brightness, contrast, saturation, color, have you set on your externalmonitor? on the monitor do you use lut? thank you, and keep it up
Hey Paolo! Thanks for taking the time to watch the vid! And that problem may just be to the different brightness levels of the different screens you use. And we haven’t adjusted any of the colour settings on our Andycine monitor settings. We just use The HLG3 image that comes straight out the camera, as most of the time it’s very close to the end look we’re going for
@@meliorstudios in no case do you use lut in the external monitor just for a better view?? Do you prefer to observe on the external monitor always in slog2 and hlg3? what parameters for backlight, brightness, contrast, saturation and color did you set on the external monitor?
@@paologambi8312 Not often actually tho we probably should probably use a rec.709 LUT for S-log2. You can actually use the S-log2 rec.709 look preview that's built into the camera. And we kept the settings of the monitor exactly how it came, though we do keep the brightness at 100 most of the time. The main reason we use an external monitor is for pulling focus and compositions. The larger screen helps with both!
Just when I first got my a7iii, I found that looking at the back LCD for judging exposure, my photos came out very dark after importing to the computer, even if the back LCD showed perfect exposure when taking the photo. You have to turn off DRO (Dynamic Range Optimization) in the settings. When left on, the back LCD is not representing the real exposure in a good way. So I think your external monitor is actually showing you the right image in this case
So, i have copied all of these picture profile settings to a tee, but i seem to be having trouble when it comes to the actual quality of the videos themselves. It alwas seems like when i finish editing the quality of the video has dropped by at least half and is no longer a crisp looking video. Even when i am editing it looks worse in quality than i feel like it should. Im not sure what i could be missing but any advice would be greatly appreciated! Love the videos, thank you for the amazing content and information!
I apply these settings but it doesn't save when i turn off my camera and turn it back on, am i doing something wrong? Also it only applies to the dial you set them on right?
Hey Jay, sorry to hear you’re having some problems. You have to use the memory recall feature on the camera. I’ll link a vid that goes through it well: ruclips.net/video/Wa5voIxwsPI/видео.html
Hi Amelia! Usually the reason for noisy footage is the footage not being exposed correctly. If you can expose for +2.0 over exposed then I suggest using Slog2. Otherwise For darker situations I recommend using HLG3. Which gamma are you finding your noise is most grainy?
@@meliorstudios Thanks for the swift response! Slog2 is the one I've been using. But you're right, I think I haven't exposed correctly! And will definitely try out HLG3 next time. And I'm also shooting with slow mo settings a lot of the time which probably doesn't help.
@@ameliamagdalena4307 we’re currently making a tutorial on how to expose for Slog2 correctly which will hopefully be out soon. But yes, shooting 1080p Slow motion will give you grainy images no matter what you do as the codec with 1080p is prone to breaking up really easily. Hence why if anyone wants to shoot a lot of slow motion, we usually recommend a different cameras. The alternative is using the Denoise feature in Davinci Resolve Studio, but that of course means purchasing the studio version of Davinici. But it’s saved our butt a lot of times when working with slo mo footage on the A7iii. It kinda makes it bearable
Hi, thanks for the information. Would you know how to configure the sony a7 III so that the color is as compatible as the sony a7s3 configured on the pp8, gamut: slog3, color mode: s-gamut3.cine. white balance: 4000k. That is, I need to film with these two cameras and for the color to be as similar as possible. It happens to me that the a7 III is leaving me with a pink tone that dyes the entire image, while the a7s3 reflects real colors much better.
Hey! I would suggest you used the Slog2 PP7 profile we suggested as this will alleviate some of the magenta shift on the A7iii as well as giving you the most Dynamic Range. I'd say then to match with the Sony a7siii you'd just have to have a good eye in post color grading to match the shots. I've done it before and it's not too bad but in lower light conditions it can get tricky. Just keep an eye on the waveforms
Hey guys! You can do this using the memory recall function in Sony Settings and assign each setting to either the 1 or 2 dial on top of the camera. Josh at Make Art Now made a great video about this: ruclips.net/video/Wa5voIxwsPI/видео.html
He visto todos tus vídeos y son verdaderamente útiles. Tengo una pregunta: Por qué recomiendas más usar el espacio de gama ITU. 709 MATRIX y no el S-Gamut.3 cine que todo el mundo recomienda? Me ayudarías mucho resolviendo esa duda. Larga vida a tu canal!
This is incredibly helpful, thanks so much for making this video! Quick question, do you use certain zebra settings for Slog2 and HLG3 to expose them correctly? Or is there another exposure method you use besides zebras? Still trying to nail down the best way to expose on the A7iii. Thanks again!
Hey Harris, Thanks for taking the time to watch the video! For Slog2 we do often use zebras, setting them at a value of 107+ but for HLG we just use the exposure number and ensure the value for the exposure is at +/- 0. We hope that makes sense
Hey there! As it happens the 2 cameras we currently are using in rotation are the Sony a7iii and the fujifilm x-t4. The fuji has many great features such as the automatic 10bit without the need of an external recorder making grading easier and the 4k quality 60fps slow-mo! We will make a video on the fuji eventually so keep your eyes peeled on our instagram or our story polls anticipating it
@@paologambi8312 we agree that the Fuji is the better camera, though we recently just bought the camera and are still getting to grips with the workflow of the camera. We’re very comfortable with the A7iii but once we get to a similar stage with the X-T4 we’ll probably start using that camera much more
Estuve leyendo y respecto a slog2 y slog3 leí que a veces se suele manejar bastante más fácil el slog2. Fue diseñado para sensores electrónicos mientras que el slog3 vendría a ser heredado de las curvas de películas analógicas (resumido muy así nomás, es un chino todo). A fin de cuentas ambos funcionan bien pero he visto que muchos prefieren el 2. No necesariamente por ser 3 más grande que 2 indica que sea más nuevo y mejor 🤷🏻♂️ Eso sí, del detalle en -7 no tengo idea jajaj
Hello Melior Studio, a question, when I want to do the transformation of slog itu 709 matrix, or hlg 709, I can not get the color as you have an additional configuration such as put it in color davinci yrgb color managed color process HDR Davinci Wide Gamut Intermediate, or I leave it as factory configuration
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You guys are killing it. I hope you keep making simple tutorials and little showcases as the channel continues to grow!
We keep doing a bit of both for sure! Thanks a lot Spencer!
Hello, tell me, please, where can I download LUT for SLOG-2 according to your settings? I would be grateful for help!
This is the help with 8-bit I've been looking for! Really helpful vids keep them coming!
We’re glad you found it helpful! Thanks for taking the time to watch!
you know how long it took to actually find a video that showed where to get to pictire profile on a a7iii...THANK YOU
Really glad you found it helpful!
It's literally called "Picture Profile" in the menu. How do you use your camera without going through the menu at least once?
@@Taretsong
Add it to your custom menu too, makes it easier to get at what you need
Hello, tell me, please, where can I download LUT for SLOG-2 according to your settings? I would be grateful for help!
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Gold for free. Keep it up!
Thanks a lot William!
You guys are doing God's work ❤️❤️
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
Early gang!!! From Malaysia 🤜🏼🤛🏼 very good tutorial ✨
Thanks for taking the time to watch! We hope you found it useful!
Love the vid! You should do a tutorial or BTS of how you set up certain shots with slog 2 and hlg 3! People talk about exposing 2 stops, like that type of stuff I don't understand still.
Yeah we thought this may be the case as exposing +2 stops or 0 for slog2 or HLG3 is a lot easier said than done. We’ll definitely make a note of that for a future follow up tutorial. We really appreciate the feedback!
Just got an A7iii and you guys upload this same day!? Meant to be! 💯 Can you guys do a sound design video!? Like how you find sounds and songs and how you layer them together would be amazing!!
Hey Brandon! We hope you enjoy the A7iii as much as we do, and yeah for sure, we can make a tutorial on that for sure, good shout
do you use da vinci resolve for color grading? if so, what's your color space transform for these?
That’s what I’d like to know as well
So glad i found your Channel! Great Work, great help. Thank you!
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
excellent video! I was having problems with color accuracy on my zve10. I tested several picture profiles and didn't find any that delivered the color accuracy I was looking for. the red tones were turning pinkish and the orange was turning yellowish. Finally, with the settings you suggested for the HLG3, the colors were true to reality
Great video! Quick question, would you leave the ISO in automatic mode??? Thanks :)
We always recommend adjusting your ISO manually as the camera can push it too high sometimes on auto and give you grainy footage
@@meliorstudios Amazing!! thanks for your kind answer, so you would recommend to use ISO manually in both profiles? (S-log and HLG or just in one of those??) Thanks! :)))
I am looking this kind of video and I got it tank you so much brother Love from India ❤️❤️
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
Thank you. Huge help for a shoot tomm. TY again!
Thanks for watching!
Any advice for matching these profiles on an FX3? Will i be screwed if i use s-log 3?
Even if you used slog3 to try and match to an fx3, you will have so much noise and banding appear that it won’t be worth it, hence what I do with my Sony A7iii and A7siii is shoot on slog2 on the Sony A7iii and then match it up through careful color grade in post
This is spot on advice!!! Did the same and it worked perfectly
Super helpful. Thank you so so so much.
Hey there! thanks for all your resources! Can you explain in detail why you don't shoot slog3 and prefer slog2?? Doesn't slog3 have more information to work in shadows/highlights? thank you!
While you are correct about your statement, the A7iii is an 8-bit camera and when you push it to past its limits, SLOG3, you are bound to have banding easily because you have less colors to work with compared to 10-bit. A simple “8-bit vs 10-bit” video will help you more on that.
Thanks guys, it's always good and useful to hear other filmmakers setups. Looking forward to hearing you going in details one day soon :)
Thanks for taking the time to watch Claudio! And for sure we’ll have a much more detailed and practical tutorial up for this too in due time
@@meliorstudios you're welcome and I'll be there watching it😉
So thankful for this video!
Thanks for watching
Gr8 content , Which one to use in low light and which one to use in normal light ? HLG 3 or SLOG-2
I needed this one so bad. great one guys.
Thanks a lot man!
YOU ARE AMAZING! thank you for making this!!!
This is the video I searched for the whole time since I have my a7iii. And now I stumbled upon it by accident
Super clear! Thanks!
Hope it was useful
Thanks guys for the quick and helpful insight!
I’ve got one question. For crisp slow motion shots, what do you tend to use? 30, 60 or 120 fps?
For slo mo with the A7iii we either shoot with 4K 30fps and slow that down by 80% (though we would t call this SLO mo I guess) or 1080p 120fps. We usually avoid 60fps on the A7iii as the bit rate and image quality isn’t as good
@@meliorstudios so are you shooting in NTSC then rather than Pal?
thank you so much sir for your timr
doing this
Hope you found out helpful!
@@meliorstudios hey mate just want to ask you, what do you think about a7IV?
@@apipmyblack hey man! We think the A7iv is a brilliant camera. Compared to the 8-bit A7iii it’s 10-bit which is so much easier for grading. You can also finally do 60fps at 4K which is huge despite it being a crop. If someone was looking at either the a7iv or A7iii I’d definitely ask what budget they have. If you’re doing just narrative 24fps, the A7iv will not be too much of an upgrade from the a7iii but if you are looking to do 4K SLO mo then the A7iv is much better. Both are great hybrid cameras. The A7iv definitely competes more with the Fuji X-T4 and Canon R5 hybrid cameras
Cool. Thanks
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Recommendations for ISO/exposure for HLG3?
i usually do between +0.7 and +1.3 on my A7C
how do you grade hlg3 with cineprint? what do you choose in the color transform color space and log gamma?
For HLG you should use Rec.709 for both the input colour space and input colour gamma
Thanks for your video
Why is every tuto/forum i go everyone settings detail to -2 or -7? i'm getting confused when I get more info about wide gammut videography lol
This is simply because the artificial sharpness the sony adds isn't the best, and it's much better to add sharpening in post to get a better output
@@meliorstudiosthank you for the reply!
HUGE help -- thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
When using Slog2 with these settings do we still need to apply a Slog2 to Rec.709 conversion lut to the videos?
Yes in post if you’re wanting to use a LUT conversation you can still use a Slog2 to Rec.709 conversion LUT and it should still work
What would be better for the sony a7iv?
For the A7iv use PP8 - slog3 and sgamut3.cine
great stuff -- any recommended technical LUT for HLG? Cheers!
Question, with slog do I need to over expose? & thank you for this simple straight to the point video.
Hey! And yes for slog you tend to have to overexpose. For example with Slog2 you have to over expose by 2 stops:)
When you say 2 stops, is that the dial on the top on the right hand side? So +2?
@@paulgreenwood69 no man, this is when you you use iso on auto. He means to be just +2 stops overexposed.
do you have a grading tutorial for the slog footage?
fantastic---just what i need so glad i found your channel--thanks Steve in oz
Hey Steve! Thanks for watching! Hope you’re enjoying the summer!
cheers Melior- its been hot! 🤭 ive just sent an email many thanks🙏
@@steveparkins6854 we’ll get back to you ASAP!
@@meliorstudios 🙏🙏🙏
Witch one wis best in low light
HLG3 is better in lowlight as the profile is less flat, hence you don’t have to push the image too much to get contrast and color back, therefore it won’t break up as much
Pp2 is hlg3
@@allinfilms1k we created our custom HLG3 profile in pp1, you can do this with any picture profile
Hey guys! You changed my mind about upgrading the sony a7iii for the moment, the footage you achieved with this camera is amazing! I just wanted to ask you about how do you measure the exposure while shooting s-log2 (+2) or HLG3 (+-0), do you see the in camera meter? the histogram? Both? Do you use zebras for highlights? And what about the metering mode? Do you set it to multi, or center? Sorry for too many questions, I just need a brief and general answer hah
Hey Juan! That’s awesome to hear, we’re glad you’ve decided to keep the A7iii a while longer, it’s definitely overlooked with the images you can produce. We actually have a video coming later out this month (99% most likely) on how to perfectly expose for Slog2 and HLG3 on the A7iii. But in brief, we use the metering mode (M.M.) on the lcd screen (middle of the bottom of the screen) and use spot metering. Got Slog2, correct, we expose for +2 stops. So making sure the number besides M.M is +2. If it’s flashing then you’re overexposing. We use spot metering and first point this at our subject, if it’s a person then their face. Then we’ll expose till it gets to +2.0 and then compose our clip. If we’re overexposed we use an ND Filter to lower the exposure. If it’s under exposed we lower the Aperture value (open it up) or bump the iso up. Max like 1000 iso but 1600 is still passable. We’ll write about HLG later today
@@meliorstudios Thanks a lot for the reply! That was my doubt, what does the camera consider +2 stops when it's on multi M.M, a bit difficult to calculate. So exposing for the subject or area of interest with spot metering is going to be the solution! Thanks again, very helpful!
Can i use this setting in my sony a7s2 and sony 6300?
Yes!
Noob question but what profile does the a7iii shoot in by default? That is without selecting a pp
If you have no picture profile selected or PPOff then you’re simply shooting on Rec.709
Why HLG3 over HLG2? I’ve noticed HLG3 has always had more noise than HLG2 in the shadows.
HLG3 has a little more dynamic range!
Why don't you use BT.2020 for HLG3? Doesn't it give more range of a colour?
We haven't tried to pair HLG3 with BT.2020 but we'll have a try with it. Though we've found HLG3 with Rec.709 has worked well enough for us so far
@@meliorstudios I've done some tests and BT.2020 colours look better to me. But If you want to use Premiere Pro, you have to interpret all footages to rec.709 before placing them on timeline. Otherwise everything is blowing out. There is no such problem in Davinci though
@@tarask9971 in that case we’ll definitely look into it! Really appreciate the suggestion Teras!
thank you so much
Thanks for Watching!
So what I’m seeing is Slog for outdoors daylight and nighttime is Hlg ?
Yes essentially. If you can expose by +2.0 stops use slog3 and if you can’t because it’s too dark, switch to HLG3
I meant to write slog2*
How would you put the color space transform in davinci resolve with these two types of color mode?
For Slog2 and ITU.709 matrix the gamma would be Slog2 and color space would be Rec.709
@@meliorstudios Let me understand. The input color space would be rec 709 and the input gamma would be sony slog2?
hello, im really struggling with my sony a7iii and grading as a whole, your final products look amazing and i cant even get near that, i would really like some help if there is a video or person i can talk to please patch me in, thank you
hHey ! Great simple and very usefull video. I had the exact same adjustments, which in normal light conditions worked fine, but in bright light conditions my videos where over exposed ! how can i adjust that ? my iso was to minimum also my aperture to maximum
For that night scenes shot in hlg3, which input gamma are you using in davinci resolve? Thanks in advance. Love your channel!
Hey man! for the input gamma in Davinci Resolve we used Rec.709. Thanks again for watching
You guys are brillant!
Hope you found it helpful, thanks for watching guys!
keep it up gaues🖤👑
Thanks a lot man!
Any advise for Sony a7r3?
I'd advise using the same settings
@@meliorstudios Thank you, I did try with the setting but I don't know why the video with Slog2 turn pinkish when I open the Gamma assist, the video seems very weird..
@henry60204 that’ll just be the gamma assist, once you take it into resolve or premiere pro, you’ll have much more control of the Colors and it’ll be a lot less magenta
Thanks
is this setting worth for fx3?
how to achieve the look in shot like 0:11. I also tried using s-log2 tried to color grade it but the lighting is just different here. Can someone explain, thanks
would you recommend this also for wedding videography?
These settings work great for wedding videography! But camera wise, the A7iii lacks in the slow motion department, which doesn’t make it the best for weddings
@@meliorstudios i agree with you, the lacks of 4K slow motion, makes it very difficult, that's why i will move to A7 IV. Thank you so much for the info. Great job guys!!!
@@VasilisTsagkarakis if you’re doing a lot of wedding videography the A7iv is so much better !!
@@meliorstudios i shoot a lot of weddings as video, few more as photographer and i have some commercial videos. If it wasn't the photography, i want the Sony SIII. And my jaws dropped with the R5, but the price is high for me.
I think a hybrid camera that’s great with photos and video seems to suit you good. We use the R5 for interview work and honestly it’s great but I’ve found the dynamic range on the A7iv to be better on video
what the best one for sony zv-1 for talking head video?
went over most of your videos! but where is the video of how to Expose HLG3 and S-Log 2?? we need it asap!!!!
This is coming ASAP!!!!
Thanks guys 🙌
Thanks for watching!
On davinci resolve what do you put for the following for ITU REC 709 Matrix & HLG3:
input color space
input gamma
output color space
output gamma
What is best iso range for slog2 and hlg3
Why not use gamut cine for slog2 and bt2020 for hlg2.
How to do that with Slog3 though
When using slog3 you can simply use the standard PP8 profile but I don’t recommend using it on cameras like the A7iii. It’s great on the A7siii, FX3 and FX6 etc
Thanks,, it's a week I bought Sony a7iii with lens Sigma 35mm f1.4 DG DN.🙂
I have a question: Why do you recommend ITU.709 MATRIX and not the (S-Gamut) in S-LOG2 PP7🤔?!!!
And after completing the recording, are you color grade the video on Adobe premiere pro?
I think (S-Gamut) in SLOG2 PP7 is more cinematic.
You would help me a lot by solving this question. Long live your channel!
Hey! We originally did use S-gamut with slog2 in PP7. However we found with s-gamut on the Sony A7iii there is a big shift in colour towards magenta in the final image as we explained in the video. Therefore through some research online we found and alternative ITU.709 matrix. And we’ve found this works better with our workflow as the footage is much nicer to grade and there isn’t a huge shift in colour.
However with that said, at the end of the if S-gamut works for you go for it! We just found using ITU.709 matrix in post provides a faster workflow. We edit and grade everything in Davinci resolve
@@meliorstudios Well done, you got subscribe and like👍..
Really appreciate it!
@@meliorstudios And what color input do you choose in davinci resolve? can't find ITU.709 for slog2..Thank you for your help
Colour input you select Rec.709 if using ITU.709
So I’m filming a tv show idk which is better to shoot in though slog or hlg3
thank youuuuuuuuu!
Thanks for watching
hi guys, and thanks first of all. i set hlg3 in my camera and i will do some tests at night. I recently bought the andycine 4k plus external monitor. it's normal that the image is darker than the camera monitor? What settings for brightness, contrast, saturation, color, have you set on your externalmonitor? on the monitor do you use lut? thank you, and keep it up
Hey Paolo! Thanks for taking the time to watch the vid! And that problem may just be to the different brightness levels of the different screens you use. And we haven’t adjusted any of the colour settings on our Andycine monitor settings. We just use The HLG3 image that comes straight out the camera, as most of the time it’s very close to the end look we’re going for
@@meliorstudios in no case do you use lut in the external monitor just for a better view?? Do you prefer to observe on the external monitor always in slog2 and hlg3? what parameters for backlight, brightness, contrast, saturation and color did you set on the external monitor?
@@paologambi8312 Not often actually tho we probably should probably use a rec.709 LUT for S-log2. You can actually use the S-log2 rec.709 look preview that's built into the camera. And we kept the settings of the monitor exactly how it came, though we do keep the brightness at 100 most of the time. The main reason we use an external monitor is for pulling focus and compositions. The larger screen helps with both!
Just when I first got my a7iii, I found that looking at the back LCD for judging exposure, my photos came out very dark after importing to the computer, even if the back LCD showed perfect exposure when taking the photo. You have to turn off DRO (Dynamic Range Optimization) in the settings. When left on, the back LCD is not representing the real exposure in a good way. So I think your external monitor is actually showing you the right image in this case
@@meliorstudios 709 look preview into the camera ? can you explain me? never seen this feature before
How to color transform slog2 and ITU in the davinci resolve?
Very useful video, thanks
We’re glad you found it useful!
For s log 2 part why not s log 2 gamut? What’s the difference between itu and gamut
Hey bro, what did you us aperture +1 or +2 when you shots on s-log2 and what loots do you use (2:27 - time this video -sky)?
Love your videos! Do you have any similar tips but for the a7siii ?
Unfortunately we don’t have enough experience with the A7siii to comment on this. But if we ever get to test it we’ll definitely let you know!
So, i have copied all of these picture profile settings to a tee, but i seem to be having trouble when it comes to the actual quality of the videos themselves. It alwas seems like when i finish editing the quality of the video has dropped by at least half and is no longer a crisp looking video. Even when i am editing it looks worse in quality than i feel like it should. Im not sure what i could be missing but any advice would be greatly appreciated! Love the videos, thank you for the amazing content and information!
Did you ever figure out this problem?
If we use itu 709 Matrix ....so how was our post processed.....
I apply these settings but it doesn't save when i turn off my camera and turn it back on, am i doing something wrong?
Also it only applies to the dial you set them on right?
Hey Jay, sorry to hear you’re having some problems. You have to use the memory recall feature on the camera. I’ll link a vid that goes through it well:
ruclips.net/video/Wa5voIxwsPI/видео.html
@@meliorstudios I appreciate the help!
@@meliorstudios also do you guys use a ND filter on your Slog2 shots if needed?
Hey man, yeah we use a variable ND most of the time when shooting with Slog2
Does this work for low light situations? Whenever I shoot late afternoon or at night, my footage is noisy...
Hi Amelia! Usually the reason for noisy footage is the footage not being exposed correctly. If you can expose for +2.0 over exposed then I suggest using Slog2. Otherwise For darker situations I recommend using HLG3. Which gamma are you finding your noise is most grainy?
@@meliorstudios Thanks for the swift response! Slog2 is the one I've been using. But you're right, I think I haven't exposed correctly! And will definitely try out HLG3 next time. And I'm also shooting with slow mo settings a lot of the time which probably doesn't help.
@@ameliamagdalena4307 we’re currently making a tutorial on how to expose for Slog2 correctly which will hopefully be out soon. But yes, shooting 1080p Slow motion will give you grainy images no matter what you do as the codec with 1080p is prone to breaking up really easily. Hence why if anyone wants to shoot a lot of slow motion, we usually recommend a different cameras. The alternative is using the Denoise feature in Davinci Resolve Studio, but that of course means purchasing the studio version of Davinici. But it’s saved our butt a lot of times when working with slo mo footage on the A7iii. It kinda makes it bearable
Thank you so much ✨ You’re great!
hi guys which settings in CST for hlg3 to convert in 709? thank you
We use Rec.709 for both the input Gamma and input Colour space
Hi how to convert slog2??
Convert loot slog2 to 709 or I can grading with out it?
@@komixy2013 you can convert slog2 to Rec.709 using CST. Tho we’ve also shown how to grade Slog2 here: ruclips.net/video/u5oiaixAQ8Y/видео.html
@@meliorstudios sorry what is CST?🙈
Resume Day slog 2 and night hlg3 ??
That’s what we do!
is the same picture profiles for a7iv?
what are the standard isos for HLG 3? I heard that its 800 & 4000 for S-Log2. Found nothing yet
native iso in a7iii camera is 800 , so in any iso mode should be 800
native iso in a7iii camera is 800 , so in any iso mode should be 800
Hi, thanks for the information. Would you know how to configure the sony a7 III so that the color is as compatible as the sony a7s3 configured on the pp8, gamut: slog3, color mode: s-gamut3.cine. white balance: 4000k. That is, I need to film with these two cameras and for the color to be as similar as possible. It happens to me that the a7 III is leaving me with a pink tone that dyes the entire image, while the a7s3 reflects real colors much better.
Hey! I would suggest you used the Slog2 PP7 profile we suggested as this will alleviate some of the magenta shift on the A7iii as well as giving you the most Dynamic Range. I'd say then to match with the Sony a7siii you'd just have to have a good eye in post color grading to match the shots. I've done it before and it's not too bad but in lower light conditions it can get tricky. Just keep an eye on the waveforms
can i record slog2 and hlg3 at the same time
Unfortunately not. You have to shoot one or the other depending on how much light you have available to shoot with
Will this work with the A7R3?
Yes, same principle!
@@meliorstudios thank you!
EPIC!
Thanks a lot Lucid!
How do these settings stay saved ? Every time I turn off my camera they go back to older settings
Hey guys! You can do this using the memory recall function in Sony Settings and assign each setting to either the 1 or 2 dial on top of the camera. Josh at Make Art Now made a great video about this: ruclips.net/video/Wa5voIxwsPI/видео.html
thanks dude
He visto todos tus vídeos y son verdaderamente útiles. Tengo una pregunta: Por qué recomiendas más usar el espacio de gama ITU. 709 MATRIX y no el S-Gamut.3 cine que todo el mundo recomienda? Me ayudarías mucho resolviendo esa duda. Larga vida a tu canal!
Agrego: No quise decir espacio de gama, si no el Color Mode. Atento a tu respuesta!
¡Hola! Usamos ITU.709 MATRIX en lugar de S.gammut porque hay menos cambio magenta con este perfil.
Lo siento, mi español no es muy bueno
Thanks 🔥
We hope you found it helpful!
@@meliorstudios Yess a lot really thanks for your work
@@Marco-hx4zx thanks for watching!
This is incredibly helpful, thanks so much for making this video! Quick question, do you use certain zebra settings for Slog2 and HLG3 to expose them correctly? Or is there another exposure method you use besides zebras? Still trying to nail down the best way to expose on the A7iii. Thanks again!
Hey Harris, Thanks for taking the time to watch the video! For Slog2 we do often use zebras, setting them at a value of 107+ but for HLG we just use the exposure number and ensure the value for the exposure is at +/- 0. We hope that makes sense
@@meliorstudios Amazing, thank you so much for the helpful response! You rock!
Melior, do you have an opinion on Fuji?
Hey there! As it happens the 2 cameras we currently are using in rotation are the Sony a7iii and the fujifilm x-t4. The fuji has many great features such as the automatic 10bit without the need of an external recorder making grading easier and the 4k quality 60fps slow-mo! We will make a video on the fuji eventually so keep your eyes peeled on our instagram or our story polls anticipating it
@@meliorstudios why don't you use fuji as the main camera, considering the 10 bit and 60 fps?
@@paologambi8312 we agree that the Fuji is the better camera, though we recently just bought the camera and are still getting to grips with the workflow of the camera. We’re very comfortable with the A7iii but once we get to a similar stage with the X-T4 we’ll probably start using that camera much more
Are you using them settings for 120fps?
Yes! For 120fps and 24fps
how about for awb
We often leave the white balance at AWB unless we’re wanting to go for a different or a more specific look, then we’ll use custom Wb
Needed this🤍
Glad you found it helpful !
Muy buenos videos! porque los detalles en -7? y porque slog2 a slog3? gracias.
Estuve leyendo y respecto a slog2 y slog3 leí que a veces se suele manejar bastante más fácil el slog2. Fue diseñado para sensores electrónicos mientras que el slog3 vendría a ser heredado de las curvas de películas analógicas (resumido muy así nomás, es un chino todo). A fin de cuentas ambos funcionan bien pero he visto que muchos prefieren el 2. No necesariamente por ser 3 más grande que 2 indica que sea más nuevo y mejor 🤷🏻♂️
Eso sí, del detalle en -7 no tengo idea jajaj
@@jncampora muchas gracias
how do you color grade this profiles pls
We've made a tutorial here on how to grade S-log2 & HLG3: ruclips.net/video/03ugQ7WoAOU/видео.html
What ISO do you guys shoot either profile in?
S-log2 (PP7) always try and shoot at ISO 800. And HLG3 (PP1) as low as possible (ideally below ISO 1000)
Hello Melior Studio, a question, when I want to do the transformation of slog itu 709 matrix, or hlg 709, I can not get the color as you have an additional configuration such as put it in color davinci yrgb color managed color process HDR Davinci Wide Gamut Intermediate, or I leave it as factory configuration
But if you use S-Log with an 8-bit camera, the colors will break when you transform the color space to Rec. 709.
Over expose to avoid noise & grade it yourself. Slog 2 is way better for luts you have more control.
Why ITU709 Matric instead of Gamut?