Sorry but I own both Magic Metal and Power Metal and that sure the hell wasn't glam. More like defiantly a Judas Priest sound. Now looks yeah they looked pretty ridiculous but then again so did a lot of bands back then but sound wise far from it.
The Abbott's liked KISS and RATT and Cinderella. When they got Phil he brought them Exhorder's sound after being with Pantera for a couple of years, freshly ripped off and the rest is history. Pantera is dead and Exhorder lives. Justice prevails.
They were better at that, than they were at being 'hard'. Beyond Cowboys, it became monotonous, with no melody and Phil sounded like someone spinning a record with their finger.
WRONG ....WASP FIRST ALBUM WAS HEAVIER....and im from GP NEXT TO ARLINGTON AND LOVE PANTERA ...BUT WASP WAS HEAVIER .. COWBOYS FROM HELL ,NOW THAT WAS PANTETRAS HEAVIEST
Saw Pantera many times in the early days, always thought they sounded like a heavier Def Leppard. I love both versions of the band, kinda like both versions of VH or ACDC. Miss the Abbot bros, gone but never forgotten.
I wish I had. When I was 15 I had a chance to see them with Annihilator and Judas Priest but missed the gig. They were on Cowboys from Hell tour and prior to that they weren't playing in Europe. Also - at that time in 91 I didn't even know who they were. It was only in 92 when I heard Vulgar Tape and Mouth for War song that my mind was blown and then a few months after that I saw the Cemetary Gates video on MTV and I thought that was the best Heavy Metal song ever written - and it might as well be because it is so awesome. In 93 a friend told me that he read in an interview that they had 4 albums prior to Cowboys and my mind was blown again. And just like a month or two after that I was browsing though some tapes at my older brother's collection and I found Power Metal. And after that everything changed. It actually became my favorite album of Pantera. I just listened that tape almost every day for about 2 years. I thought it was so freaking awesome. By that time Far Beyond came out and it had some really good songs but there was about half of the album that I didn't particularly enjoy :// just filler songs and uninteresting riffs with great sound...unfortunatelly for me that trend continued and the next two albums I did not like very much. I did see them live in 2000 and it was a pretty amazing gig but I'm assuming that was not at all the power they had on stage years before that....I am happy that I was still able to catch them tho' :v
He screwed them over later, he was getting the royalties while Pantera sold albums and toured. The guys in the band weren't getting paid like they should have been.
@@Revivethefallen Why shouldnt their father receive some royalties? You raise your people up with your riches not stick them in your back pocket. You dont come around when the sun shines and then hide when it gets dark AND vice versa. Ride to the wheels fall off and stay down until ya get new wheels. Especially kin. Unless bridges are burnt.
He also got signed to a major label with his band Lord Tracy. Obviously didnt make it huge like thrash Pantera did, they were a pretty tight unit with a phenomenal bass player.
I remember reading an article [During the time the Abbot brothers were doing Damageplan] where Vinnie Paul was still in contact with Terry Glaze that they were planning on a original reunion. The unfortunate happened though when Dimebag Darrell was killed.
Any true fan of Pantera will appreciate the early albums, Power Metal was heavy and hard as anything else released that year, a perfect transition to their modern era
Saw them many times during that era. I have the "I am the night" album that all the members signed. They were one of the better bands that played the Texas circuit. Vinnie was always friendly and approachable.
I was at the Rainbow on the Sunset Strip and ran into Vinnie Paul coming out of the bathroom. I said "Vinnie?" "Yeah man." I just thanked him for the music but didn't have the heart to ask for an autograph. It was shortly after Dime had passed and it just...wasn't right.
I can't remember which one, but the Metallica camp talks about those days and the stuff they'd get up to in one of their biographical books. I think it was Enter Night. I bet you can guess what kinda hijinks 90s-era James Hetfield and Dimebag got up to after a few drinks, I think they also shared groupies.
True story, my father was Terry Glazes’ children’s gym teacher. He moved to my state after panter and had a local band called the Crawfish or something and I got to meet Terry once while working at a bar/restaurant and he even talked to me on the phone for a few minutes saying which guitar I should get as my first one. Dad took me out that day and got me a squire Stratocaster!
It's really cool their father was so supportive. I have known parents that go absolutely apeshit when their kids decide on a music career; even when the kid has the talent and work ethic.
I love all of Pantera's albums including the early glam metal years, there's some pretty ripping stuff with some top melodies from their early albums that I love so much, I also hope that their first 4 albums get's remastered and reissued.
"Power Metal" might get remastered & reissued, but the 1st 3 probably not. Rex recently stated how much he hates that era of Pantera, & doesn't consider Pantera properly starting until Phil joined. Despises Terry Glaze too. Says Terry is still living off the fact he was once the singer of Pantera. Says that at end of the this vid.
@@SuperRoo_22 Oh really, at least one album from their early years might get remaster, still I would of loved their whole discography remastered. I just love their metal sound from every single album of theirs.
@@robertobuatti7226 U never know it might happen. It would be good for the fans who have been there from the beginning to hve new copies of those albums sounding fresh & crisp, with a modern sheen.
@@SuperRoo_22 Yes definitely, I have all their albums from their whole discography and the early albums are fantastic but they do need a pristine remaster, the Cowboys From Hell and Vulgar Display Of Power albums sound amazing more than ever because of the remastered audio that really makes you want to bang your head.
@UC9xWDKGpHZbvDvIOgf6RS-A that's a bunch of bullshit. He has played with several other bands (still does) and never even mentions it in that context. He's a good dude. Rex is the fu*king a*shole.
Phil Anselmo stomped me in the face at a show in ‘94. I got tossed up to the stage and made it over the security trench than 💥 BAM! I landed in the trench and was moved out by a giant black security guard that picked me up with one arm. I was 15, it was the my first of six Pantera shows.
Power metal is a great album, very underrated. really not glam just classic metal similar to Judas priest. the track we'll meet again is worth any Pantera fan a listen.
@@PsychAxE Then you're not a true Pantera fan. You only care about the image. Appreciate the skill. Dimebag was beyond excellent, no matter what album.
Awesome. I have been listening to more early metal bands / bands with musicians who were there, some of whom carry on with some of the pre 90s tradition of metal- or not, but its there, it is in their experience. So, alot of these old bands might not have been making the adjustment in the smoothest way or ultimately not really changed direction when it would have been most beneficial- and of course we know that there was a lot of drama. It's great that many of these very skilled artists not only maintained their corporeal form, but went on to create more amazing music- regardless of style. Thanks for the video!
Projects In The Jungle, I Am The Night, and Power Metal are all good albums. Growing up in DFW in the 80's and hearing these albums, and seeing them play live back then, you knew Pantera was going to be huge one day. They did not disappoint. Just glad they ditched the Glam and got heavier.
Early Pantera was wonderful. They were local and approachable Rockstars and I never heard a bad word on them. Man, they had a huge following and we're fun as hell to party with....and man they could party!
I was living in Garland during the first half of my high school years. In 1984, I would've been 14-15. I had a sweet mullet, concert shirts, Levi's or "parachute pants", even those fucking moccasin boots!!! Haha!! Anyway, I still remember one of my buds from my neighborhood would always talk about Pantera and this "bad ass" guitar player!!!!
I met the band at Ridgmar mall in Ft. Worth when dime was 18, signing records. Saw them twice at Six Flags. Blew my mind when I found Cowboys From Hell in a cd store in Chile while I was in the Navy. This was a year before it broke big.
I have all the releases with Terry and it's no different than any of the other heavy music from the 80's. It's not glamed out like people think. It's pretty heavy actually. Plus you hear all the little elements of what became the Pantera that we all know in love now. Definitely worth checking out.
My dad currently plays in a band with Terry Glaze in MD. He also coached me in baseball for a little. One of the most talented musicians/frontman I’ve ever seen but I can see how he could be difficult to work with😂
"Projects In The Jungle" was a good album. A little heavy on the reverb, and with nowhere near the sheer creative power of later albums, but a good solid glam metal album.
When I was in high school (Cali), there was a clear division between glam and heavier stuff. If you listened to glam, you were a "poser" and lost any credibility with other "metal heads." If a heavy band "sold out," they were done. Think of the reaction when Metallica's made the black album. When Pantera broke, I remember some folks walking around telling the story of how they were a hardcore glam band... with no Internet, it just became "rumor." But I recall the hardcore Pantera fans would go nuts saying "They would never play that pussy ass shit." blah, blah, blah... again, at the time, no one really could verify this easily... but the rabid Pantera fans at my school would actually physically threaten others if they "continued to spread these lies." God, kids are dumb. lol. Point is this: I wonder how Pantera would have been received by these kids if the Internet existed back then. There was so much hatred for any bands that were perceived as "phony" or "glam" or "sellouts." If everyone knew from outset who they were and had access to their previous albums, pictures, I wonder how many of the hardcore Pantera fans during that time would have labeled them as "posers" or would even have the guts to support them publicly (but we all know privately they would be loving it) . Just a thought...
If they knew from the outset, they would never like the band. I knew many of those types and when it came to glam it's like they listen with their eyes. They always said the same shit and it was never about the music. It's always about the makeup, the outfits, etc. It drove me nuts cuz it was so moronic and hypocritical how they'd always spout that tired line of "it's should be about music, not image" yet they could never get past the image. "Poison" was like a trigger word to them and would always kick off the same bafflingly unaware rant about glam's "image", poseurs, false metal, etc., etc. I wish I knew them today. The sheer number of glam bands that remained active (or re-activated) during and after the grunge takeover, many even to this day, 30 years later....I think they have quite a bit of crow to eat and they've put it off long enough. lol. I found out recently that a few are still playing in that sandbox. I mentioned Poison in a comment of some non-music-related video and someone replied _"Poison? Fuck those glam f*gs I hated that shit back in the day. I was all about real metal like Slayer._ and he just went on this tirade right out of 1988 and I'm thinking "Wow, this dude hasn't grown up a day in over 30 years". It was sad.
@@zmbdog I'm right with you... Lord, I still have friends that do the same thing... what's worse is how common this is. I joined a facebook group for Headbangers Ball and you would be stunned at how many people are still living in 1988. It's freaky the way they talk about bands... It sounds like they're still 16, Appetite For Destruction was just released, and, God forbid, you make a negative comment or a joke. They will defend and attack you like you insulted their children. It gives me flashbacks to my high schools days when I read what people say because it's verbatim to what I remember kids in school saying back in the late 80s. You'd think most comments would be more "past tense" but most are "present tense." I'm reading these thinking: "Did you get knocked into a coma back in 1988 and just wake up thinking you had only been out for a week?"
@@zmbdog I don't see your point. Glam metal is just the image, there's nothing underneath but completely average hard rock with the occasional catchy chorus. I've never been a "true metalhead" but there is and always has been a clear distinction between the bands that are there for the music and bands that just have an image and not much else. What was glam vs metal back then became screamo vs metal in the early 00s and is now djent vs metal in modern times. There were always shallow trend followers
@@ileutur6863 The point is that these knuckleheads would always say "music matters, not image" yet would always harp on glam's image like it was part of their scripture. They'd even use that line _during a rant about Cinderella's or Poison's image_ . That level of obliviousness shouldn't be possible but it was constant. Your take on glam is like me saying "thrash is just completely average metal, nothing underneath, just an occasional decent riff." And glam metal is just image? Then what am I listening to in the car? An image? Image and music have nothing to do with each other. One doesn't take away from the other but with glam people like to pretend it does. Every style has an image. Grunge, punk, metal, everything. Just because cosmetics aren't involved doesn't make it any less of an image. Why isn't black metal ever criticized for being so reliant on an image? They must be spending twice the time in front of a mirror than anyone in Poison ever did. But apparently, they live by the woke left hypocrisy of "it's ok when we do it".
Great video RRts! I had NO idea that Vinnie was considered z musician with "promise" when they were young. The tuba quote was epic as well (though i do have love 4 z tuba)! Its secretly ALSO pretty cool that z guys were oblivious 2 z fact that "pantera" was and is part of z latin genus name 4 big cats (felis pantera).
Dime's last known words, to Vinnie, right before Damage Plan took the stage -- "Van Fuckin' Halen," a phrase Dime and Vinnie said to each other all the time before they performed, which meant "let's make this spectacular."
I saw them in a bar in 1984 in Waco, TX. They opened with "Somebody get me a doctor" VH2 album. It was awesome and nobody applauded. I mean nobody. It was basically 3 of us from Ft. Hood and a bunch of college girls. I asked the singer why they weren't in LA, who said our manager says we stay in TX. And since I know who he is now, makes a lot more sense. But it also added what? 6 years before you ever heard of them.
@@philipholmes5884 I know they played at least one other VH cover and DD's guitar was spot on. I know they played "Cowboys from Hell" with the intro but it must've been coming back from break. Waco was weird then, bars closed at 10. Weird pre government burning people up even.
@@larrylundry5384 yeah, I would have been embarrassed had I applauded because I'd have been the only one, LOL. But Waco was different than if they'd been playing in Killeen.
I just figured out that the reason Dime’s stage presence was so awesome is because he was practicing it before he even learned to play the guitar. Vinnie walked by his room while he was holding the guitar dressed up like Ace Frehley. This is why Dime’s stage presence was so powerful.
Song ''Forever tonight'', closing track for ''I am the night'' album, was featured in the movie ''Cobra'', in a scene where Brigitte Nielsen is eating fries in a restaurant and smothering them in ketchup.
Yes, at the end of the day Metallica and Megadeth might have gotten softer in the 90s they still never were 80's glam metal geeks. They actively shitted all over that scene in the press.
@Luke pantera did glam when it was popular and started getting "heavier" when glam was going out. At least Metallica didn't start out following what was trendy at the time.
@@philipholmes5884 well I don’t know about the best , but my favorite is Projects In The Jungle , reminds me of Def leopard . So happy I was introduced to Pantera !
I remember seeing them at a club in Pantego, Texas called Metalworks when they were still considered a glam band. They were just beginning to play some Slayer at the time, raining Blood as a matter of fact.
bro Metalworks was in Arlington not Pantego. I know I played there with my band and Dime showed up for the last part of our set. His girlfriend was tending bar and she called him down.
Nobody’s forgotten about it. It’s been well documented for decades. They used to play songs off of Power Metal up until 94-95. They’ve said they were trying to become famous & were just doing what they were told would get them there by the record companies. It is what it is.
No they did not. You show me a setlist past 1992 that has one Power Metal track on it. By the recording of Vulgar, they had abandoned everything prior to Cowboys.
They should release/stream the original albums as a show of support for Jerry Abbott who was the original manager and producer, if that is what he wants.
pantera's first 3 albums are cool i wish they would re-release them. especially i am the night. sounds like early def lep but not as polished and diamond darryl was still great
I really wish, they would reales all their pre CFH albums. From the bits I heard, it was good hard rock. Everyone knows they changed their style on CFH and it’s not going to diminish their later albums. Plus you don’t have to buy them if you don’t want to.
OK, I’m not gonna lie - I love Pantera’s glam metal past. There’s no shame in admitting it. The music was quality. You can tell they were having fun and enjoying it.
_"Something none of those 3 acts would do?"_ Because they were already dominating _at that time_ . So, not really accurate there. Really, the way this is written, it sounds like you're dunking on Quiet Riot, Dokken, and Stryper for....*not knowing* that Pantera would end up being successful. :?
@@tragicallymalicious1 idk I think Pantera was using more makeup than any of those 3 ever did. And are sure they never redefined anything? I'm pretty sure at least one of those kicked off the entire subgenre.
@@zmbdog except eye liner until 1986 there s no fucking make up in Pantera .. It was just the regular look of heavy bands then . I mean , do you saw Bathory in 1987 ... Its not very different from the Look people bitch about Pantera .. In 1983 , 1984 , 80% of the bands were like that ...
Those were all good albums, I'd love to have proper reissues of these especially Power Metal and I Am The Night. At least I have Power Metal on cassette and bootlegs of the first 3.
I remember seeing them signing records at a mall in Mesquite, Texas around 1982 or 83. Definitely big hair, spandex pants, hair metal dudes. Later, when their music blew up, I was really surprised at their evolution.
It's pretty hilarious how they appear to be _SO_ ashamed of their pre-'Cowboys' albums that there's zero of mention of any of the 80's albums on the band's official site. Discography listing starts at CfH, no mentions of _anything_ prior to that. I don't get it. Sure, they might not think highly of those records, but it's what got them going to where got in the 90's. Trying to just act like almost half of their discography simply doesn't exist seems childish and insecure.
You are misinformed. Warner Bros doesnt own those albums hence why they arent on the site. Dimebag wrote those songs when he was 14-17 years old during the Terry Lee era. The first album not to feature a teenager is CFH. The entire Terry Lee era was over when Dimebag was 18 years old. When they got Philip they considered it a new band and rightly so. They considered changing names but decided not to with the momentum they had. Dimebag wrote most of CFH when he was 21 & 22 so they weren't interested in re-releasing albums written 6 & 7 years earlier. Also CFH is the first album *WRITTEN WRITTEN WRITTEN* with Philip hence why they consider it their debut.
@@MosoKaiser Yea. Welcome to reality. Please stay a while. The guys could've sold the rights for a fortune at any time since the 90s but they arent interested in doing so.
Great little rockumentary. Loved it! Been listening to Pantera since about '88. After they got big with Cowboys from Hell, I found one of their glam cassettes in a thrift store bin. Hated it!
I never knew about the glam until my brother shared it with me a couple years ago. He was hooked on it for a while. Now do Ministry's 80s english pop type stuff!!
Around a decade ago it seemed like Rex and Terry reconciled as they performed some 1980s Pantera songs live with Rex's side project, Arms of the Sun, which makes me wonder why Rex's opinion of Terry soured again since then. I read that Eon interview and most of Rex's points are good ones; as he essentially puts it, lots of people aren't proud of weird things they did as teenagers, the only difference with Pantera is that they recorded themselves doing it, so it isn't really fair that people won't let them live that down when just about everyone else can move past that time in their lives. But while Rex can have any opinion he wants of his old work, and I understand why he has the opinions he does of it, I really don't know what Terry said to make Rex so mad at him. He's correct that Terry has nothing to do with Pantera's eventual success but I've never heard or read Terry claim that he did. Most of Terry's statements about Pantera have been airy but understandable raves about how incredibly awesome Dime was. And this is probably one of those "blind men and the elephant" scenarios; from Rex's point of view the 1980s were the era of no success, but from Terry's that brush with greatness was probably the coolest moment of his life. I could be missing something but so far as I know he has always had a very high opinion of his bandmates, and sadly, the same CANNOT be said of Phil. No; I'm not one of those people who think Phil's hateful statements got Dimebag killed, but he still will have to live with the guilt of destroying his relationship with a man he'll never be able to apologize to.
These guys were all over Nashville before the Far beyond Driven Album. They recorded their basaic tracks there for that album. They would call my friend who was the manager of the Deja Vu Strip Club and let him know they were coming to town. We saw them at the bowling alley (Cumberland Lanes off of Apache trail in Antioch TN) which they showed and quick clip of in their Vulgar Video (on the road video). Definitely knew of their glam past and my friends and I saw them at 328 (club) on the Vulgar Display of Power tour where White Zombie opened up for them about 2 years before White Zombie got big with Thunder Kiss. Good times.
@@benttwisted210 yea I agree she was with them partying and going all over Texas and Louisiana with them but that’s what she always said about Phil back then I have no reason not to believe her but that could have been the case I wasn’t there only hung out a few times with them he never gave me that vibe
@@Beebalabeeba I lived & played in a local band in Dallas when they were a local band right after Phil joined. I have a ton of stories from back in the day and a lot of people don't believe me when I try to tell them, but, fuck 'em! Hey, I was just busting your chops about the comment man, no big deal, thanks for not getting totally defensive!! Stay cool 😎
The 1981 photo of pantera is the only one I have seen where vinny Paul does not have a beard. I will say I do enjoy the first 4 albums more than the 1990s albums because I have listened to those albums so much I don't find them as interesting. What I find interesting about the early albums is the development of their playing songwriting and production techniques. And Terry glaze was the first member to sign with a major label (Lord Tracy signed to mca records in1988)
Why I never gave them a chance. Saw the cover of power metal and thought they were a joke. Gotta have some respect for em now.Dime was freakin awesome. After watching the ZZ Top doc I was like that’s where the glam cam from.70’s ZZ. Also from TX I’m sure they had some influence.
I keep saying this and I'm going to continue to say this : My Favorite Pantera Album is Power Metal. It's the best stuff they've ever written. I just wish they could've recorded it with the sound they had later. Every album that came after that was not as good except maybe Cowboys. Songs like Cemetary Gates, The Sleep, Psycho Holiday, Shattered perhaps were on a higher level but the album as a whole. To me personally the best one has always been Power Metal. Every song from start to finish on that album is just perfection. After Vulgar the level of songwriting decreased in my opinion and although you will find brilliant songs on albums after Vulgar there's songs on those albums that just aren't that good. Also Projects in the Jungle and I am the Night had some really good songs also. Like the song Come on Eyes to me is so much better than anything they've done after Cowboys from hell except maybe Mouth for War song. Man I so wish they picked the best songs from Projects in the Jungle & I am the night and re-recorded them with the whole Power Metal and re-releaed it as a double album with Far Beyond driven sound. That would've been something. It's so stupid that they were trying to deny their past when the past was really brilliant.
I remember my friend, who was a cassette tape collector, got metal magic many years ago. OMG, it was like night and day compared to Pantera with Phil Anselmo!
I found Projects in the Jungle in a used record store around the Vulgar era. Needless to say I was really disappointed when I listened to it, pure 80s cheese.
Well glam metal was the biggest thing in metal in the 80's when Pantera started, just like Bullet for my valentine when there name used to be Jeff Killed John, started in the early 2000's being a nu metal band, that was the big thing before they went into a metalcore/thrash metal direction on their debut album The Poison
They were the tightest group of musicians Phil had ever seen when they were looking for a new frontman. Phil said he wouldn't put on spandex (he's from the Bayou punk scene) but they required it and he eventually put on a pair because he wanted to play with the incredible talent.
One of my high school teachers in the early-2000's taught Dimebag at another high school in the 80's. He said Dimebag wore the same pair of leopard print pants everyday to school and wouldn't come to school on Thursdays and Fridays because he washed and dried his pants on those days.
Phil and the guys just copied Exhorder, (they played few dates, they were from new Orleans too, listening to Kyle thomas singing live in the late 80s and early 90s is impossible not to hear the influence. Pantera was just a commercial version of Exhorder cleaned for MTV.
Phil ripped off the sound from Exhorder, but even the guys in that band admitted that Pantera were way more dedicated and worked way harder on their music than they did. Phil’s songwriting was far better plus they had Dime. Game over.
@@hellboundTX333 I would say that Pantera had a complete combination of things that gave them that commercial success one of them is changing their sound at the right time. Another would be music videos helping generate interest and exposure. It was 1990 and MTV still played videos. They made videos for Cowboys From Hell, Psycho Holiday and Cemetery Gates (at the Basement). Those were some pretty Good Songs Cemetery Gates was also featured in the Tales from the Crypt movie Demon Night. I would think that Exhorder had the more edgier sound more clearly and closely associated with the underground Death Metal and Extremel Metal.
Pantera had that guitar sound before Exhorder was a band though, listen to a song like Onward We Rock off of I Am The Night. The core of their sound was always there, a much different approach vocally of course. Now once Phil joined he did have similarities to Kyle but they both had similar influences and were all good friends. Musically though it's inaccurate to say Pantera was just a rip off, Exhorder was a more straight forward thrash sound with some Death metal elements, Pantera was more heavy on the metal, groove and blues with some thrash thrown in.
@Luke Becuase Exhorder's album was called slaughter in the vatican, and they were not MTV friendly with lyrics like "Blood on your face Assume the position i love Anal assault Anxiously wait for the cum Screaming in torment The welps on her back are turning redder She died from the pain It made her feel ten times better!"
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Alice In Chains was a glam metal band as well.
Sorry but I own both Magic Metal and Power Metal and that sure the hell wasn't glam. More like defiantly a Judas Priest sound. Now looks yeah they looked pretty ridiculous but then again so did a lot of bands back then but sound wise far from it.
The Abbott's liked KISS and RATT and Cinderella. When they got Phil he brought them Exhorder's sound after being with Pantera for a couple of years, freshly ripped off and the rest is history.
Pantera is dead and Exhorder lives.
Justice prevails.
Early Pantera for sure. Its where the creativity came from and later was tapped. Fun teen stuff in it
Yea the glam days the part of metal we like to forget about LMAO
Honestly, early Pantera were 'glammy' but they were still heavier and more aggressive than your average Sunset Strip band.
They were better at that, than they were at being 'hard'. Beyond Cowboys, it became monotonous, with no melody and Phil sounded like someone spinning a record with their finger.
@@springbloom5940 Phil's vocals on Power Metal are up there with top tier vocalists like Rob Halford, and Geoff Tate.
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I wouldn't go that far. But at any rate, they began rapidly falling apart, thereafter.
WRONG ....WASP FIRST ALBUM WAS HEAVIER....and im from GP NEXT TO ARLINGTON AND LOVE PANTERA ...BUT WASP WAS HEAVIER .. COWBOYS FROM HELL ,NOW THAT WAS PANTETRAS HEAVIEST
WASP FIRST AND SECOND ALBUM WERE THE HEAVIEST !
Vinnie Paul glammed out is terrifying.
@Sub if you are against Antifa and BLM Vinnie Paul glammed out is terrifying.
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@Sub if you are against Antifa and BLM Glam sucks
Looks so douchey
@@PsychAxE There were some good glak bands. Vain, Stryper, Great White. There was also tons of shit.
@@PsychAxE glam rules
Metal Magic is decent.
Projects in the Jungle is good.
I Am the Night is damn good.
Power Metal is so damn good it demands a re-release.
Last ride
Saw Pantera many times in the early days, always thought they sounded like a heavier Def Leppard. I love both versions of the band, kinda like both versions of VH or ACDC. Miss the Abbot bros, gone but never forgotten.
I always said a heavier Dokken but yeah.
They were like a Turbo era Judas Priest but not as "synthy" if that makes sense
I wish I had. When I was 15 I had a chance to see them with Annihilator and Judas Priest but missed the gig. They were on Cowboys from Hell tour and prior to that they weren't playing in Europe. Also - at that time in 91 I didn't even know who they were. It was only in 92 when I heard Vulgar Tape and Mouth for War song that my mind was blown and then a few months after that I saw the Cemetary Gates video on MTV and I thought that was the best Heavy Metal song ever written - and it might as well be because it is so awesome. In 93 a friend told me that he read in an interview that they had 4 albums prior to Cowboys and my mind was blown again. And just like a month or two after that I was browsing though some tapes at my older brother's collection and I found Power Metal. And after that everything changed. It actually became my favorite album of Pantera. I just listened that tape almost every day for about 2 years. I thought it was so freaking awesome. By that time Far Beyond came out and it had some really good songs but there was about half of the album that I didn't particularly enjoy :// just filler songs and uninteresting riffs with great sound...unfortunatelly for me that trend continued and the next two albums I did not like very much. I did see them live in 2000 and it was a pretty amazing gig but I'm assuming that was not at all the power they had on stage years before that....I am happy that I was still able to catch them tho' :v
So....if it wasn't for father Abbott none of this would of ever happened. What an awesome father!
Oh, fuck yes. Jerry Abbott is a fuckin' legend.
"Would HAVE"
He screwed them over later, he was getting the royalties while Pantera sold albums and toured. The guys in the band weren't getting paid like they should have been.
Would've not "would of"
@@Revivethefallen Why shouldnt their father receive some royalties? You raise your people up with your riches not stick them in your back pocket. You dont come around when the sun shines and then hide when it gets dark AND vice versa. Ride to the wheels fall off and stay down until ya get new wheels. Especially kin. Unless bridges are burnt.
I didn’t forget about their glam metal days, I just choose not to talk about it.
That’s because you get it !
Pantera was far superior in the 1980s
Then you are not a true Pantera fan just a band wagon simp.....
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Why....they were better then.
Everything after CFH sucks.
The best era of Pantera, honestly. Power Metal is pure Judas Priest worship and is absolutely unstoppable.
There's a few seconds in rock the world that are a note for note ripoff of queensryche warning.
Whatever happened to Terry Glaze? That's gotta be an interesting story.
Terry Glaze was in Lord Tracy.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Glaze
He left pantera to go to college and then started the band lord tracy. Great guy, hes doing well
Also in a band called 76 I think. I know the bassist of Lord Tracy, Kinley Wolfe look him up on here amazing skills & ahead of his time
He also got signed to a major label with his band Lord Tracy. Obviously didnt make it huge like thrash Pantera did, they were a pretty tight unit with a phenomenal bass player.
I remember reading an article [During the time the Abbot brothers were doing Damageplan] where Vinnie Paul was still in contact with Terry Glaze that they were planning on a original reunion. The unfortunate happened though when Dimebag Darrell was killed.
Power Metal is an amazing album, it’s a transition for sure, but I enjoy it.
Yessss. Power Metal rips.
Not so forgotten for me. I listen to their first four albums all the time.
Dime and Vinnie were indeed the Eddie and Alex Van Halen of heavy metal.
In the 80's and 90's TX local bands could tour and make money without ever leaving the state.
Never saw them, but remember hearing ads on the radio for them playing clubs in Houston.
Power Metal is a fantastic album that needs a reissue
Now do Alice in Chains past as Diamond Lie/Alice N Chainz!
YESSSS!! 🤘🏻
Yep
Yes!
Any true fan of Pantera will appreciate the early albums, Power Metal was heavy and hard as anything else released that year, a perfect transition to their modern era
"True fans" can like whatever they want, calm down, stay in school.
I got the power metal album on cd, love the hell out of it. Needs a reissue.
I love both styles.
Proof that Vinnie and Dimebag were the true heart and soul of the band.
One of the best bands of all time.
Early Pantera rocks too. Love it just as much as their major releases
Saw them many times during that era. I have the "I am the night" album that all the members signed. They were one of the better bands that played the Texas circuit. Vinnie was always friendly and approachable.
R.I.P. Vinnie & Dime.
R.I.P. Vinnie & Dime.
@@bobthebear1246 only need to say it once bro.
No lie, I unironically love the I Am the Night album.
Unless you're a Glam hater, you can enjoy the albums with Terry Glaze. Just because it's not classic Pantera doesn't mean they are bad.
@@kevintanza6968 Nah, glam rocker for life here! Probably why I gravitated towards checking out Pantera's early stuff
I was at the Rainbow on the Sunset Strip and ran into Vinnie Paul coming out of the bathroom. I said "Vinnie?" "Yeah man." I just thanked him for the music but didn't have the heart to ask for an autograph. It was shortly after Dime had passed and it just...wasn't right.
I never realised they hung with Lars and James so much in the early days. Nice pics.
I can't remember which one, but the Metallica camp talks about those days and the stuff they'd get up to in one of their biographical books. I think it was Enter Night.
I bet you can guess what kinda hijinks 90s-era James Hetfield and Dimebag got up to after a few drinks, I think they also shared groupies.
True story, my father was Terry Glazes’ children’s gym teacher. He moved to my state after panter and had a local band called the Crawfish or something and I got to meet Terry once while working at a bar/restaurant and he even talked to me on the phone for a few minutes saying which guitar I should get as my first one. Dad took me out that day and got me a squire Stratocaster!
Man I wish I'd had encouraging parents! Even one of them!
It's really cool their father was so supportive. I have known parents that go absolutely apeshit when their kids decide on a music career; even when the kid has the talent and work ethic.
I love all of Pantera's albums including the early glam metal years, there's some pretty ripping stuff with some top melodies from their early albums that I love so much, I also hope that their first 4 albums get's remastered and reissued.
"Power Metal" might get remastered & reissued, but the 1st 3 probably not. Rex recently stated how much he hates that era of Pantera, & doesn't consider Pantera properly starting until Phil joined. Despises Terry Glaze too. Says Terry is still living off the fact he was once the singer of Pantera. Says that at end of the this vid.
@@SuperRoo_22 Oh really, at least one album from their early years might get remaster, still I would of loved their whole discography remastered. I just love their metal sound from every single album of theirs.
@@robertobuatti7226 U never know it might happen. It would be good for the fans who have been there from the beginning to hve new copies of those albums sounding fresh & crisp, with a modern sheen.
@@SuperRoo_22 Yes definitely, I have all their albums from their whole discography and the early albums are fantastic but they do need a pristine remaster, the Cowboys From Hell and Vulgar Display Of Power albums sound amazing more than ever because of the remastered audio that really makes you want to bang your head.
@UC9xWDKGpHZbvDvIOgf6RS-A that's a bunch of bullshit. He has played with several other bands (still does) and never even mentions it in that context. He's a good dude. Rex is the fu*king a*shole.
Phil Anselmo stomped me in the face at a show in ‘94. I got tossed up to the stage and made it over the security trench than 💥 BAM! I landed in the trench and was moved out by a giant black security guard that picked me up with one arm. I was 15, it was the my first of six Pantera shows.
Nice! Ever find any footage of that here on RUclips?! That would be priceless!
Power metal is a great album, very underrated. really not glam just classic metal similar to Judas priest. the track we'll meet again is worth any Pantera fan a listen.
I personally love the early Pantera work, the first three albums are awesome.
Oh, no
@@PsychAxE Then you're not a true Pantera fan. You only care about the image.
Appreciate the skill. Dimebag was beyond excellent, no matter what album.
@@axelfoley1406 I guess I'm not a true Pantera fan according to some guy on the internet. 🤷🏽♂️
"Forgotten glam metal past" everybody know it who listens to metal and pantera.
False
Awesome. I have been listening to more early metal bands / bands with musicians who were there, some of whom carry on with some of the pre 90s tradition of metal- or not, but its there, it is in their experience. So, alot of these old bands might not have been making the adjustment in the smoothest way or ultimately not really changed direction when it would have been most beneficial- and of course we know that there was a lot of drama. It's great that many of these very skilled artists not only maintained their corporeal form, but went on to create more amazing music- regardless of style.
Thanks for the video!
They looked glam, but hell they were heavier than probably every glam band at the time
I actually listen to their glam stuff as much as their groove/thrash stuff.
I dunno why Vinny, Dime and Rex was ashamed of their first 3 albums. I always thought they were pretty damn good.
Never really got the impression of shame just that they moved on and got into other styles. They should have just changed their name
The band saw them as demos.
Projects In The Jungle, I Am The Night, and Power Metal are all good albums. Growing up in DFW in the 80's and hearing these albums, and seeing them play live back then, you knew Pantera was going to be huge one day. They did not disappoint. Just glad they ditched the Glam and got heavier.
I grew up in DFW too, Pantera had a huge local following.
I too am glad they dropped the glam.
Early Pantera was wonderful. They were local and approachable Rockstars and I never heard a bad word on them. Man, they had a huge following and we're fun as hell to party with....and man they could party!
I was living in Garland during the first half of my high school years. In 1984, I would've been 14-15. I had a sweet mullet, concert shirts, Levi's or "parachute pants", even those fucking moccasin boots!!! Haha!! Anyway, I still remember one of my buds from my neighborhood would always talk about Pantera and this "bad ass" guitar player!!!!
I met the band at Ridgmar mall in Ft. Worth when dime was 18, signing records. Saw them twice at Six Flags. Blew my mind when I found Cowboys From Hell in a cd store in Chile while I was in the Navy. This was a year before it broke big.
@@andrewschultz7930 why
..their Glam albums are the best they ever produced.
All their Grumble metal is awful.
I have all the releases with Terry and it's no different than any of the other heavy music from the 80's. It's not glamed out like people think. It's pretty heavy actually. Plus you hear all the little elements of what became the Pantera that we all know in love now. Definitely worth checking out.
My dad currently plays in a band with Terry Glaze in MD. He also coached me in baseball for a little. One of the most talented musicians/frontman I’ve ever seen but I can see how he could be difficult to work with😂
"Projects In The Jungle" was a good album. A little heavy on the reverb, and with nowhere near the sheer creative power of later albums, but a good solid glam metal album.
Power metal album is ultra underrated.
When I was in high school (Cali), there was a clear division between glam and heavier stuff. If you listened to glam, you were a "poser" and lost any credibility with other "metal heads." If a heavy band "sold out," they were done. Think of the reaction when Metallica's made the black album. When Pantera broke, I remember some folks walking around telling the story of how they were a hardcore glam band... with no Internet, it just became "rumor." But I recall the hardcore Pantera fans would go nuts saying "They would never play that pussy ass shit." blah, blah, blah... again, at the time, no one really could verify this easily... but the rabid Pantera fans at my school would actually physically threaten others if they "continued to spread these lies." God, kids are dumb. lol. Point is this: I wonder how Pantera would have been received by these kids if the Internet existed back then. There was so much hatred for any bands that were perceived as "phony" or "glam" or "sellouts." If everyone knew from outset who they were and had access to their previous albums, pictures, I wonder how many of the hardcore Pantera fans during that time would have labeled them as "posers" or would even have the guts to support them publicly (but we all know privately they would be loving it) .
Just a thought...
If they knew from the outset, they would never like the band. I knew many of those types and when it came to glam it's like they listen with their eyes. They always said the same shit and it was never about the music. It's always about the makeup, the outfits, etc. It drove me nuts cuz it was so moronic and hypocritical how they'd always spout that tired line of "it's should be about music, not image" yet they could never get past the image. "Poison" was like a trigger word to them and would always kick off the same bafflingly unaware rant about glam's "image", poseurs, false metal, etc., etc.
I wish I knew them today. The sheer number of glam bands that remained active (or re-activated) during and after the grunge takeover, many even to this day, 30 years later....I think they have quite a bit of crow to eat and they've put it off long enough. lol.
I found out recently that a few are still playing in that sandbox. I mentioned Poison in a comment of some non-music-related video and someone replied _"Poison? Fuck those glam f*gs I hated that shit back in the day. I was all about real metal like Slayer._ and he just went on this tirade right out of 1988 and I'm thinking "Wow, this dude hasn't grown up a day in over 30 years". It was sad.
@@zmbdog I'm right with you... Lord, I still have friends that do the same thing... what's worse is how common this is. I joined a facebook group for Headbangers Ball and you would be stunned at how many people are still living in 1988. It's freaky the way they talk about bands... It sounds like they're still 16, Appetite For Destruction was just released, and, God forbid, you make a negative comment or a joke. They will defend and attack you like you insulted their children. It gives me flashbacks to my high schools days when I read what people say because it's verbatim to what I remember kids in school saying back in the late 80s. You'd think most comments would be more "past tense" but most are "present tense." I'm reading these thinking: "Did you get knocked into a coma back in 1988 and just wake up thinking you had only been out for a week?"
@@zmbdog I don't see your point. Glam metal is just the image, there's nothing underneath but completely average hard rock with the occasional catchy chorus. I've never been a "true metalhead" but there is and always has been a clear distinction between the bands that are there for the music and bands that just have an image and not much else. What was glam vs metal back then became screamo vs metal in the early 00s and is now djent vs metal in modern times. There were always shallow trend followers
@@ileutur6863 The point is that these knuckleheads would always say "music matters, not image" yet would always harp on glam's image like it was part of their scripture.
They'd even use that line _during a rant about Cinderella's or Poison's image_ . That level of obliviousness shouldn't be possible but it was constant.
Your take on glam is like me saying "thrash is just completely average metal, nothing underneath, just an occasional decent riff."
And glam metal is just image? Then what am I listening to in the car? An image? Image and music have nothing to do with each other. One doesn't take away from the other but with glam people like to pretend it does. Every style has an image. Grunge, punk, metal, everything. Just because cosmetics aren't involved doesn't make it any less of an image. Why isn't black metal ever criticized for being so reliant on an image? They must be spending twice the time in front of a mirror than anyone in Poison ever did. But apparently, they live by the woke left hypocrisy of "it's ok when we do it".
I saw them open up for anthrax during the among the living tour in houston and every one was booing them lol
My favorite is still "Projects In The Jungle". I got it when it first came out.
Imagine being the guy who suggested the name to one of greatest bands of all time in the middle class. That's dude gets my respect.
Great video RRts! I had NO idea that Vinnie was considered z musician with "promise" when they were young. The tuba quote was epic as well (though i do have love 4 z tuba)! Its secretly ALSO pretty cool that z guys were oblivious 2 z fact that "pantera" was and is part of z latin genus name 4 big cats (felis pantera).
I highly recommend "come on eyes" from Pantera's 1985 album "I am the night"..... That track is fucking awesome!
Love the Van Halen parallel... brothers on guitar and drums with a father in the music business. And Van Halen was probably their favorite band.
Dime's last known words, to Vinnie, right before Damage Plan took the stage -- "Van Fuckin' Halen," a phrase Dime and Vinnie said to each other all the time before they performed, which meant "let's make this spectacular."
There is no such thing as a bad Pantera album.
Metal Magic is fun imo, cheesy sure but no denying the talent there and the guitars and drums were noice
Thank Metallica for pantera.
If Dimebag never heard master of puppets they’ll probably just die off like every hair metal band in the 90s
I saw them in a bar in 1984 in Waco, TX. They opened with "Somebody get me a doctor" VH2 album. It was awesome and nobody applauded. I mean nobody. It was basically 3 of us from Ft. Hood and a bunch of college girls. I asked the singer why they weren't in LA, who said our manager says we stay in TX. And since I know who he is now, makes a lot more sense. But it also added what? 6 years before you ever heard of them.
Do you remember any more of the setlist ? Awesome story by the way !
@@philipholmes5884 I know they played at least one other VH cover and DD's guitar was spot on. I know they played "Cowboys from Hell" with the intro but it must've been coming back from break. Waco was weird then, bars closed at 10. Weird pre government burning people up even.
saw/hung with them many times at WOODSTOCK in harker heights around this time. and yes some nights were dead but they always killed it
@@larrylundry5384 yeah, I would have been embarrassed had I applauded because I'd have been the only one, LOL. But Waco was different than if they'd been playing in Killeen.
With their chart topping hit Ride My Rocket. Lol. Great story as always
I just figured out that the reason Dime’s stage presence was so awesome is because he was practicing it before he even learned to play the guitar. Vinnie walked by his room while he was holding the guitar dressed up like Ace Frehley. This is why Dime’s stage presence was so powerful.
Used to see them at Joe's Garage in Ft. Worth and later, at Dallas Alley. Back when they were just known locally in Texas.
Hell yeah, Joe's Garage, Dallas City Limits, The Ranch in Muenster, The Roxx in Lawton Ok.
Song ''Forever tonight'', closing track for ''I am the night'' album, was featured in the movie ''Cobra'', in a scene where Brigitte Nielsen is eating fries in a restaurant and smothering them in ketchup.
no shit ? wow got to go back and check it out
I dont hear it in COBRA at all.
I wonder if that's what inspired the same scene in *Showgirls.*
You can also hear proud to be loud from power metal in donny darko
I love Pantera glam times.Even then Dimebag played hard.
Let me say this. Philp wants to bash Metallica because of what their music sounded like in the 90's and late 90's shame on you man.
Yes, at the end of the day Metallica and Megadeth might have gotten softer in the 90s they still never were 80's glam metal geeks. They actively shitted all over that scene in the press.
@Luke The point is that Metallica had more sucess than Pantera in the 2000's.
@Luke pantera did glam when it was popular and started getting "heavier" when glam was going out. At least Metallica didn't start out following what was trendy at the time.
@@anthonysoley7121 I'm not a pantera fanboy but I'll take pantera's bro groove metal over metallica desperately trying to jump on trends and failing.
@@123612100 My guess is you were in nappies or not even born when Metallica and the San Fran band invented thrash.
Defiantly not forgotten ! I love listening to the first three albums!
Which is the best & who would you compare it with ?
@@philipholmes5884 well I don’t know about the best , but my favorite is Projects In The Jungle , reminds me of Def leopard . So happy I was introduced to Pantera !
Older Def Leppard (1rst 2 albums) ? If so i will check it out !
@@philipholmes5884 yeah Projects In the Jungle reminds me of Def Leppard’S High and Dry album, I would have loved to see them live!
I still have Project s in the Jungle, I am the Night, and Power Metal on Cassette. I love that stuff as mush as Pantera's really Heavy stuff.
It’s not forgotten, this has been talked about plenty when Pantera is discussed.
Power Metal was a sick album
Rock N' Roll True Stories Glam Pantera is gone but never forgotten.
Let's forget that
God damn they were fuckin awesome
I remember seeing them at a club in Pantego, Texas called Metalworks when they were still considered a glam band. They were just beginning to play some Slayer at the time, raining Blood as a matter of fact.
Do you remember more of the setlist ?
Did you see Watchtower live around that time also?
@@philipholmes5884 Unfortunately no I don't.
@@123612100 I never saw them.
bro Metalworks was in Arlington not Pantego. I know I played there with my band and Dime showed up for the last part of our set. His girlfriend was tending bar and she called him down.
Nobody’s forgotten about it. It’s been well documented for decades. They used to play songs off of Power Metal up until 94-95.
They’ve said they were trying to become famous & were just doing what they were told would get them there by the record companies. It is what it is.
Posers!
@@leoarguelles5943 Not really.
No they did not. You show me a setlist past 1992 that has one Power Metal track on it. By the recording of Vulgar, they had abandoned everything prior to Cowboys.
I just downloaded I am the Night and Power Metal, some of Dimebag's best solos are on those albums and some great riffs too!
They should release/stream the original albums as a show of support for Jerry Abbott who was the original manager and producer, if that is what he wants.
pantera's first 3 albums are cool i wish they would re-release them. especially i am the night. sounds like early def lep but not as polished and diamond darryl was still great
I really wish, they would reales all their pre CFH albums. From the bits I heard, it was good hard rock. Everyone knows they changed their style on CFH and it’s not going to diminish their later albums. Plus you don’t have to buy them if you don’t want to.
Power Metal has a chance. Theyll never re-release the pre Phil stuff.
OK, I’m not gonna lie - I love Pantera’s glam metal past. There’s no shame in admitting it. The music was quality. You can tell they were having fun and enjoying it.
Power Metal is Pantera's best album
Forgotten? Hell, I was there to see it all live! Diamond Darrell and “Heavy Metal Rules!!🤘🏼
_"Something none of those 3 acts would do?"_
Because they were already dominating _at that time_ . So, not really accurate there. Really, the way this is written, it sounds like you're dunking on Quiet Riot, Dokken, and Stryper for....*not knowing* that Pantera would end up being successful. :?
Ha! That’ll teach them for giving Pantera exposure!
They were successful but they never came close to "redefining" anything except how much makeup a man could wear on stage.
@@tragicallymalicious1 idk I think Pantera was using more makeup than any of those 3 ever did. And are sure they never redefined anything? I'm pretty sure at least one of those kicked off the entire subgenre.
@@zmbdog except eye liner until 1986 there s no fucking make up in Pantera ..
It was just the regular look of heavy bands then .
I mean , do you saw Bathory in 1987 ...
Its not very different from the Look people bitch about Pantera ..
In 1983 , 1984 , 80% of the bands were like that ...
@@Nissardpertugiu Pantera used more than eyeliner. lol
Nobody forgot this era, the band doesn't wanna talk about it because Phil is H A R D K O R E
Phil loves power metal and always defended the album
Those were all good albums, I'd love to have proper reissues of these especially Power Metal and I Am The Night. At least I have Power Metal on cassette and bootlegs of the first 3.
The Power Metal albums contains the seed for every next Pantera album
I remember seeing them signing records at a mall in Mesquite, Texas around 1982 or 83. Definitely big hair, spandex pants, hair metal dudes. Later, when their music blew up, I was really surprised at their evolution.
Why was my previous comment deleted, RNRTS?
What comment?
It was about recently finding this channel and I included a RUclips link to Pantera's Power Metal album.
It's pretty hilarious how they appear to be _SO_ ashamed of their pre-'Cowboys' albums that there's zero of mention of any of the 80's albums on the band's official site. Discography listing starts at CfH, no mentions of _anything_ prior to that.
I don't get it. Sure, they might not think highly of those records, but it's what got them going to where got in the 90's. Trying to just act like almost half of their discography simply doesn't exist seems childish and insecure.
You are misinformed. Warner Bros doesnt own those albums hence why they arent on the site.
Dimebag wrote those songs when he was 14-17 years old during the Terry Lee era.
The first album not to feature a teenager is CFH. The entire Terry Lee era was over when Dimebag was 18 years old. When they got Philip they considered it a new band and rightly so. They considered changing names but decided not to with the momentum they had.
Dimebag wrote most of CFH when he was 21 & 22 so they weren't interested in re-releasing albums written 6 & 7 years earlier.
Also CFH is the first album *WRITTEN WRITTEN WRITTEN* with Philip hence why they consider it their debut.
@@integrity101 Warner not owning them stops them from being even _mentioned_ on their site in any way? Sure...
@@MosoKaiser
Yea. Welcome to reality. Please stay a while. The guys could've sold the rights for a fortune at any time since the 90s but they arent interested in doing so.
Great little rockumentary. Loved it! Been listening to Pantera since about '88. After they got big with Cowboys from Hell, I found one of their glam cassettes in a thrift store bin. Hated it!
Confederate flag HELL YEAH BRO
I never knew about the glam until my brother shared it with me a couple years ago. He was hooked on it for a while.
Now do Ministry's 80s english pop type stuff!!
I didn’t forget about this they were good albums
Their 80s stuff was dimes best riffing and lead work bar none. Sick of these elitists putting it down. All pantera rules
Around a decade ago it seemed like Rex and Terry reconciled as they performed some 1980s Pantera songs live with Rex's side project, Arms of the Sun, which makes me wonder why Rex's opinion of Terry soured again since then.
I read that Eon interview and most of Rex's points are good ones; as he essentially puts it, lots of people aren't proud of weird things they did as teenagers, the only difference with Pantera is that they recorded themselves doing it, so it isn't really fair that people won't let them live that down when just about everyone else can move past that time in their lives. But while Rex can have any opinion he wants of his old work, and I understand why he has the opinions he does of it, I really don't know what Terry said to make Rex so mad at him. He's correct that Terry has nothing to do with Pantera's eventual success but I've never heard or read Terry claim that he did. Most of Terry's statements about Pantera have been airy but understandable raves about how incredibly awesome Dime was. And this is probably one of those "blind men and the elephant" scenarios; from Rex's point of view the 1980s were the era of no success, but from Terry's that brush with greatness was probably the coolest moment of his life. I could be missing something but so far as I know he has always had a very high opinion of his bandmates, and sadly, the same CANNOT be said of Phil. No; I'm not one of those people who think Phil's hateful statements got Dimebag killed, but he still will have to live with the guilt of destroying his relationship with a man he'll never be able to apologize to.
These guys were all over Nashville before the Far beyond Driven Album.
They recorded their basaic tracks there for that album.
They would call my friend who was the manager of the Deja Vu Strip Club and let him know they were coming to town.
We saw them at the bowling alley (Cumberland Lanes off of Apache trail in Antioch TN) which they showed and quick clip of in their Vulgar Video (on the road video).
Definitely knew of their glam past and my friends and I saw them at 328 (club) on the Vulgar Display of Power tour where White Zombie opened up for them about 2 years before White Zombie got big with Thunder Kiss. Good times.
R I P Vince and Dime.
You guys lived it to fullest extent.
Gone too soon.
We love you!!
Phil changed them forever and for the much much better.
My aunt was a groupie with them in the late 80s and early 90s she always told me Phil was a closet homosexual
sure !
Common phrase from women when they find a man that doesn't want to have sex with them!
Say waaaaaa
@@benttwisted210 yea I agree she was with them partying and going all over Texas and Louisiana with them but that’s what she always said about Phil back then I have no reason not to believe her but that could have been the case I wasn’t there only hung out a few times with them he never gave me that vibe
@@Beebalabeeba I lived & played in a local band in Dallas when they were a local band right after Phil joined. I have a ton of stories from back in the day and a lot of people don't believe me when I try to tell them, but, fuck 'em! Hey, I was just busting your chops about the comment man, no big deal, thanks for not getting totally defensive!! Stay cool 😎
I Loved Pantera Then and Now ,Rock On 🤘🖤
great answer
The 1981 photo of pantera is the only one I have seen where vinny Paul does not have a beard.
I will say I do enjoy the first 4 albums more than the 1990s albums because I have listened to those albums so much I don't find them as interesting.
What I find interesting about the early albums is the development of their playing songwriting and production techniques.
And Terry glaze was the first member to sign with a major label
(Lord Tracy signed to mca records in1988)
Too bad they never made it.
Why I never gave them a chance. Saw the cover of power metal and thought they were a joke. Gotta have some respect for em now.Dime was freakin awesome. After watching the ZZ Top doc I was like that’s where the glam cam from.70’s ZZ. Also from TX I’m sure they had some influence.
Can’t say I’m a Pantera fan but I like watching these.
I keep saying this and I'm going to continue to say this : My Favorite Pantera Album is Power Metal. It's the best stuff they've ever written. I just wish they could've recorded it with the sound they had later. Every album that came after that was not as good except maybe Cowboys. Songs like Cemetary Gates, The Sleep, Psycho Holiday, Shattered perhaps were on a higher level but the album as a whole. To me personally the best one has always been Power Metal. Every song from start to finish on that album is just perfection. After Vulgar the level of songwriting decreased in my opinion and although you will find brilliant songs on albums after Vulgar there's songs on those albums that just aren't that good. Also Projects in the Jungle and I am the Night had some really good songs also. Like the song Come on Eyes to me is so much better than anything they've done after Cowboys from hell except maybe Mouth for War song. Man I so wish they picked the best songs from Projects in the Jungle & I am the night and re-recorded them with the whole Power Metal and re-releaed it as a double album with Far Beyond driven sound. That would've been something. It's so stupid that they were trying to deny their past when the past was really brilliant.
I remember my friend, who was a cassette tape collector, got metal magic many years ago. OMG, it was like night and day compared to Pantera with Phil Anselmo!
All gotta start somewhere
I found Projects in the Jungle in a used record store around the Vulgar era. Needless to say I was really disappointed when I listened to it, pure 80s cheese.
I think Power Metal holds up quite well.
Still has good riffs and solos
The truth is early Pantera just wasn't that good.
And I'm a huge glam metal fan btw, there is a way to do that right but I don't know, that ain't it.
Well glam metal was the biggest thing in metal in the 80's when Pantera started, just like Bullet for my valentine when there name used to be Jeff Killed John, started in the early 2000's being a nu metal band, that was the big thing before they went into a metalcore/thrash metal direction on their debut album The Poison
Texas is just the heart of all great music. I love my state, and I love Pantera.
They were the tightest group of musicians Phil had ever seen when they were looking for a new frontman. Phil said he wouldn't put on spandex (he's from the Bayou punk scene) but they required it and he eventually put on a pair because he wanted to play with the incredible talent.
Phil wore spandex in Razor white too .
More in a Manowar attitude but still .
Even early BM and DM bands wore spandex so ...
One of my high school teachers in the early-2000's taught Dimebag at another high school in the 80's.
He said Dimebag wore the same pair of leopard print pants everyday to school and wouldn't come to school on Thursdays and Fridays because he washed and dried his pants on those days.
I’d be dope to hear a glam version of Walk lol
Phil and the guys just copied Exhorder, (they played few dates, they were from new Orleans too, listening to Kyle thomas singing live in the late 80s and early 90s is impossible not to hear the influence. Pantera was just a commercial version of Exhorder cleaned for MTV.
Phil ripped off the sound from Exhorder, but even the guys in that band admitted that Pantera were way more dedicated and worked way harder on their music than they did. Phil’s songwriting was far better plus they had Dime. Game over.
@@hellboundTX333 I would say that Pantera had a complete combination of things that gave them that commercial success one of them is changing their sound at the right time. Another would be music videos helping generate interest and exposure. It was 1990 and MTV still played videos.
They made videos for Cowboys From Hell, Psycho Holiday and Cemetery Gates (at the Basement). Those were some pretty Good Songs
Cemetery Gates was also featured in the Tales from the Crypt movie Demon Night. I would think that Exhorder had the more edgier sound more clearly and closely associated with the underground Death Metal and Extremel Metal.
Now that's just bullshit.
Pantera had that guitar sound before Exhorder was a band though, listen to a song like Onward We Rock off of I Am The Night. The core of their sound was always there, a much different approach vocally of course. Now once Phil joined he did have similarities to Kyle but they both had similar influences and were all good friends. Musically though it's inaccurate to say Pantera was just a rip off, Exhorder was a more straight forward thrash sound with some Death metal elements, Pantera was more heavy on the metal, groove and blues with some thrash thrown in.
@Luke Becuase Exhorder's album was called slaughter in the vatican, and they were not MTV friendly with lyrics like "Blood on your face
Assume the position i love
Anal assault
Anxiously wait for the cum
Screaming in torment
The welps on her back are turning redder
She died from the pain
It made her feel ten times better!"