This video is really helpful, as someone who's never really had any medical help and just getting into therapy at 25... Dr. Sally Winston saying "all people with pOCD have something in common.. they love kids and think hurting them is the worst thing that could happen" as a COCSA/SA survivor with [suspected] pOCD... that hit hard and I started crying. That really does seem to be the thing i'm stuck on, I was victimized as a child, was horrifically scarred by it, and now my biggest fear is that I could become the type of monster that would perpetuate that. Wow. Thank you all for this, seriously.
I can't thank you all enough for introducing me to metacognitive therapy - something has "clicked" for me and had helped me so much to understand the possible origins of my OCD themes and how they became permanent features in my life for 50 years. I can move forward now in a clearer way on a gentler path - working hard to beat back this disorder. Thank you isn't enough. Julia
This video is incredible and the three experts are unbelievably educational, helpful and knowledgeable. This really speaks to me and has helped shift my perspective a bit.
This talk about OCD reminds me of an Einstein's quote: “Problems cannot be solved with the same mind set that created them.” The idea that the key of solving OCD is to be found outside of its thought content is very insightful in my opinion. It reduces the temptation to seek a solution to OCD just by debating its thought content. You cannot outreason OCD. The horror film analogy used by Mike Heady seems to hit the nail on the head. You cannot get rid of irrationality with an irrational mind-set. You need a radical change of perspective. It also reminds me of a quote from the French poet La Fontaine: "Everyone believes very easily whatever he fears or desires". It looks like a spiral: anxiety feeds OCD thoughts, and vice versa. So a change of attitude induces a change of thoughts, which fosters the change of attitude, and so forth.
It’s clear that there are some differences between inference based therapy and the other metacognitive approaches. Would be really cool to see IBT more fleshed out by Mike Heady or someone else!
Maybe it’s the particular ocd therapist I’ve had, but the idea that the content is irrelevant to treatment was always a part of doing ERP. Besides that emphasis, what’s different about meta-cognitive therapy? I would really like to see how they would speak with someone to get them to “hear the sneeze” in “the movie theater”
Awesome and super helpful video. Mike and Sally seem to overly romanticize OCD symptomology at one point, however. There can be a distinction drawn between a good person who doesn't want to be a pedophile and an actual pedophile or someone with legitimate interest and pleasure from pedophilia without drawing a conclusion that someone's obsessions are a nonrandom expression of who they are ("someone who loves children and cares about them"). The same person can have intrusive thoughts that range from having illicit sex to eating garbage to jumping in front of a bus to running people over with their car. To claim that these are non-random is ridiculous. Of course, there is a degree of fitness between obsession and the person's belief system (religion and blasphemy) but to go as far as they do in this video is not accurate.
This sounds really stupid. It's not what the thought is about? Well if i wash my hands the wrong way my hands are not clean, so i have to redo it until it feels just right. The thought is a part of the complusion and vise verca, and when you have ocd long enough they become intertwined. You can no longer tell them apart, which in turn renders the whole idea of metacognition useless.
If I understand them right, they're asking where does the thought I am dirty, come from? If my greatest fear is to be dirty of course I'm going to resist. When did I become convinced I am dirty? Was there a moment or time before that? What was the inciting moment? If I can convince myself that my conviction is a fantasy (designed to justifiably protect me from what I most fear - what I know to not be true about myself - it would not be a problem if I didn't also believe the opposite) then I can notice this process reoccurring with a different form out content. I can "nip it in the bud".
This video is really helpful, as someone who's never really had any medical help and just getting into therapy at 25... Dr. Sally Winston saying "all people with pOCD have something in common.. they love kids and think hurting them is the worst thing that could happen" as a COCSA/SA survivor with [suspected] pOCD... that hit hard and I started crying. That really does seem to be the thing i'm stuck on, I was victimized as a child, was horrifically scarred by it, and now my biggest fear is that I could become the type of monster that would perpetuate that. Wow. Thank you all for this, seriously.
I can't thank you all enough for introducing me to metacognitive therapy - something has "clicked" for me and had helped me so much to understand the possible origins of my OCD themes and how they became permanent features in my life for 50 years. I can move forward now in a clearer way on a gentler path - working hard to beat back this disorder. Thank you isn't enough. Julia
This video is incredible and the three experts are unbelievably educational, helpful and knowledgeable. This really speaks to me and has helped shift my perspective a bit.
Thank you so much for watching, Conor!
This talk about OCD reminds me of an Einstein's quote: “Problems cannot be solved with the same mind set that created them.” The idea that the key of solving OCD is to be found outside of its thought content is very insightful in my opinion. It reduces the temptation to seek a solution to OCD just by debating its thought content. You cannot outreason OCD. The horror film analogy used by Mike Heady seems to hit the nail on the head. You cannot get rid of irrationality with an irrational mind-set. You need a radical change of perspective.
It also reminds me of a quote from the French poet La Fontaine: "Everyone believes very easily whatever he fears or desires". It looks like a spiral: anxiety feeds OCD thoughts, and vice versa. So a change of attitude induces a change of thoughts, which fosters the change of attitude, and so forth.
It’s clear that there are some differences between inference based therapy and the other metacognitive approaches. Would be really cool to see IBT more fleshed out by Mike Heady or someone else!
THANKS folks once again! Keep up the good work, it is much appreciated.
Fantastic hearing this :)
Maybe it’s the particular ocd therapist I’ve had, but the idea that the content is irrelevant to treatment was always a part of doing ERP. Besides that emphasis, what’s different about meta-cognitive therapy? I would really like to see how they would speak with someone to get them to “hear the sneeze” in “the movie theater”
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Awesome and super helpful video. Mike and Sally seem to overly romanticize OCD symptomology at one point, however. There can be a distinction drawn between a good person who doesn't want to be a pedophile and an actual pedophile or someone with legitimate interest and pleasure from pedophilia without drawing a conclusion that someone's obsessions are a nonrandom expression of who they are ("someone who loves children and cares about them"). The same person can have intrusive thoughts that range from having illicit sex to eating garbage to jumping in front of a bus to running people over with their car. To claim that these are non-random is ridiculous. Of course, there is a degree of fitness between obsession and the person's belief system (religion and blasphemy) but to go as far as they do in this video is not accurate.
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This sounds really stupid. It's not what the thought is about? Well if i wash my hands the wrong way my hands are not clean, so i have to redo it until it feels just right. The thought is a part of the complusion and vise verca, and when you have ocd long enough they become intertwined. You can no longer tell them apart, which in turn renders the whole idea of metacognition useless.
If I understand them right, they're asking where does the thought I am dirty, come from? If my greatest fear is to be dirty of course I'm going to resist. When did I become convinced I am dirty? Was there a moment or time before that? What was the inciting moment? If I can convince myself that my conviction is a fantasy (designed to justifiably protect me from what I most fear - what I know to not be true about myself - it would not be a problem if I didn't also believe the opposite) then I can notice this process reoccurring with a different form out content. I can "nip it in the bud".
He him his.. Yes i learned pronouns in school, no needed to be condescending