It seems to me that most Africans, no matter the period of time, sociopolitical landscape, cultural backdrop, nation or climate, has always been easily fooled by notions of oecumenia and brotherhood when the Uncle Ruckus Syndrome ridden M*lattoes of the North, the W0gs, the desert wanderers and the navigators starts flirting around. Getting caught by the exact same tactic, over and over again for now 4,000 years. When are we going to learn? "You can't make this sh*t up!" - Kevin Samuels.
This is Bs,,bro you from America ,,the the f you going to no ,,3quarters of people that got taken over from Africa to America They was MUSLIM,,it has got to be the jews and Christians,,
“When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.” ― Jomo Kenyatta
This remind me of something which may or may not apply. A question of, who holds the real treasures? It’s found in the Bible, book of Matthew chapter 6 starting at verse 19. It goes “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
Jomo Kenyatta was a good orator and was a compliant puppet of the British also- he didn’t return much of the “ Landgrabbed” Kikuyu land that was returned to Kenya by the British . Kenyatta robbed his own people and most of Kenya know it. Lol
One thing I’ve noticed is that most of the despicable of racist people I’ve come cross claim to be either Islam or Christian especially those extremists
As a practitioner of Santeria (Yoruba faith in Cuba🇨🇺), my heart is broken every time I think our brothers in the motherland have been fooled by Western religions and forgotten the roots that we now celebrate. I hope Ìṣẹ̀ṣe tradition will one day return to the prestige it deserves. Aché for my Yoruba and African brothers and sisters 🕊️❤️
Soy Cubana, Lucumi tambien, santera hija de Yemaya Okute. Mi papa es un babalawo y mi mama es una santera, hija de Yemaya tambien. Toda mi familia tienen "santo." Los orishas son la luz en mi vida. IFA es muy profunda, esta triste que nuestrsa gente no saben la verdad de nuestra fe 🇨🇺🇨🇺🇨🇺🇨🇺😇😇😇
Finally someone has the guts to talk about this. It seems people only talk about the good things abrahamic religions did for Africans, but always seem to gloss over all the bad that abrahamic religions have done for Africans.
I’m agnostic and I fully agree. The fact that Africans and Afro descendant people can’t seem to realize that Islam and Christianity played a role in the destruction of the continent is crazy
There is nothing wrong with Christianity itself however people have misused the religion and twisted it for their own benefits. This is what was used against us but also many other ethnic groups in the world
Your opening line from the jump says it all. "Africans became just as pious and faithful as any other, yet when it came to the idea of religious brotherhood there always seemed to be a disconnect. This ambivalence unfortunately revealed a darker side demonstrating how religious nations at times didn't PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACHED" Keep on sharing what you have been finding, as we continue to share what we are learning!!!
This is the unfortunate truth, I wish traditional African religions would write down their knowledge in a book, to make it easier for native/ diasporan Africans to learn more about our ancestral practices, in a more pragmatic manner to fit today’s time.
It's difficult to do that when their knowledge keepers are religiously persecuted if they refuse to practice their religion in secret. I personally have second-hand experience with such things. Usually, those who do write about it are ethnographers/anthropologists who don't understand the beliefs as well as those they getting their info from
What's crazy is I had this conversation with different age groups of AA'S the other day and another time with West Indians not long before and boy was it enlightening. I just wanna say a lot of our people are aware...and it warms my soul.
True. Many of us are more devoted to the religions than those who brought it to us. And many of us will defend the religions with our whole hearts. It shows how our spiritual nature was used against us. They observed us and saw ways that would make us vulnerable to their tactics.
@@sasbridgecloserstudent Look at how the Axumites praised God as they defeated the Italians who were invading their homeland. I don't think the faith is the problem.
@@thevisitor1012 Ethiopians believe in Coptic Christianity I think. A sort of Orthodox type. The Italians were catholic which is what western Europeans practices.
I don't think it was just capitalism. Racism and a sentiment of supremacy (whether Arab or European) played a role in considering the black Africans as inferior to them. In the case of Arabs, this predates Islam, but became more prominent as the religion expanded (and it wasn't only against blacks, but generally against non-Arabs, but blacks were often treated the worst). And what it worse, this continues to happen to this day.
Mohammed was a Blackman. Then came the Persians and took over, wanting to kill Mohammed. He sought refuge in christian Ethiopia. Islam mythology came after Christianity mythology that came after Judaism mythology that came well after Greek mythology that came well after Egyptian mythology. That came well after something else. The hadza people are by and large atheist.
Religion in Africa is naturally a very polarising topic... The exchange between Ahmed Baba and the Moroccan sultan is a very interesting moment in the Moroccan/Songhai conflict.
Certainly. I recall another text of the Morrocan Sultan being warned by his own countrymen before invading the Songhai, due to the religious implications, yet he ignored them all the same.
Because this particular Moroccan Sultan may have been a Muslim, but was a nationalist first and foremost. He also waged war on the Ottomans (Eurasian Muslims) by allying with European Christians. His main general in the invasion of Songhai was of Catholic-European origin. He wasn’t interested in Islamic unity… he was focused on the interests of Morocco in light of the rising power and influence of Spain and Portugal. I usually enjoy these videos, but this one is “thesis history” and not a reflection of Home Teams best work.
Coming from Mali... Great content, unfortunately it's not common knowledge. Brainwashing is real out here... Illiteracy does not help as well. Thanks for sharing !
In the case of both Morocco and Portugal, their leaders were driven by profit and greed. It's very telling that these ideas of morality, religion, and brotherhood can always be overridden by our basic human instincts to survive. And that during these time periods, the kingdoms of Africa never held such ambitions that the imperialists far north of them did. Perhaps it was because they never had to. And that is what left them, not unlike most of the world, unguarded and unprepared for the modern era.
In those times, the goal wasn’t to only conquer the land, but to also convert the ppl. It was a common practices throughout history. Those who did not convert were beaten or killed. For survival many ppl converted and overtime our own rituals were lost.
A major problem black people have is that too many of us are unaware of how blessed we are and that other people want what we naturally have. This is because humans are more aware of what they don't have as opposed to what they do have.
@@soda8736Africa, the wealthiest land in the world, our melanin skin which has many benefits, our athleticism, rhythm, style, creativity, the spirit & energy within us,the most genetically diverse people on the planet etc.
@@isiahjean-baptiste434 Land or resources mean nothing if the people cant cultivate the resources. Asians and Europeans cultivate the major resources and Africans do the labor or if the Africans in charge they outsource it.. . Melanin can be found in many people , there are people in South America, South east Asian , India and the islands of Samoa that have melanin and have people darker than any light skin black person. Also I don't know if you actually study culture , but all cultures or people have their own attributes. For example, without European creativity you and I woulnt be communicating about on this device. .It's not a competition.. Here's somes advice , there is no problem with having pride in being black , but that doesn't mean you should take shots at other people ,Also you'll admit Africa is the most diverse genetically , but you would probably call the North Africans of today invaders though they have been there 20000 years at least.
@@soda8736 Europe has been poor and violent for most of its existence, Africa hasn't. Right before the colonial period, Europe had been through 700 years of the dark ages. Even over the last 300 years when Western Europe became strong, most of their citizens were still poor. Millions of Europeans migrated to the US in the late 19th- early 20th century. Math, science, engineering was brought to the world by Africans. Also, many of the inventions that make modern society possible are black inventions including the elevator, cell phone, refrigerator, gps, lawn mower, traffic light system etc & that's despite this being our period of decline. When I said creativity I was referring more to the music, dance, slang, hairstyle, fashion trends that black people set and other people don't. No other group has the influence black people have. Also Arab Africans have only been in Africa for about 1000 years. The Ancient Egyptians were black for example. Egypt's biblical name is Kemite, which means "land of black people." Black people are the original humans & have been in our current form for more than 250,000 years. I don't even think any other race is more than 15,000 years old.
@@isiahjean-baptiste434 You look at at history like it's a competition because I'm sure what you learned is from afrocentrics scholars who teach that way and romanticize Africa and downplay Europe.. Some of those invention I'm aware of some I think people lied to you about. The Arab phenotype has been in North Africa for at leas 2000 year's, look up ginger man , a pre dynastic mummy and look at his hair it's not black hair..I'm not saying there was no black people in Egypt , but to say it was a black society is a reach in opinion. If so where all the black people go , there is no documented mass migration or genocide, even with Egypt fallen to Foreign rule many times. Sudan stands for land of the blacks , why is Egypt not named that ? Because Sudan was where black people were in large numbers..
All people were fooled by these hierarchical religions but people have to be ensnared or enslaved in a dominance state hierarchy for it be successful. I think there needs to be more focus on the non-state societies of africa and how they were affected by colonialism and imperialism
Has there ever been anyone who has come from outside of Africa and not saw it as an opportunity to exploit its people? I'm not necessarily preaching xenophobia but not gatekeeping has proven to be historically catastrophic
The true fight is between the lower classes and the higher ones, the people with these ambitions of conquest and exploitation readily do it against their own people too, it is not a fight against foreigners, it is against the powerful
I reunited to my Igbo traditional roots. I’m learning how to practice Odinani and I’m so overjoyed to learn about the culture that was hidden from me. Pan Africa is something you put in a jar or book, there’s no container because it constantly expands.
The justification for the Mali-Songhai conflicts are indeed a unique case which I wish we had more context behind. It's at least worth mentioning the Malian conquests of Sonni Ali, whose status as a Muslim remains very controversial, and who was condemned by the Muslims of his time regardless.
I am an atheist and the fact that Black folks don’t see Christ as a foreign influence baffles me. It was always a religion of subjugation to another peoples god
I believe we know that Christ is a foreign influence, just like every basic need is foreign to Black people, Our Beds, Clothes, Houses and Food etc. And the real issue is, Africans run straight to witchcraft the minute you move religion from our system...and witchcraft has only brought us misfortunes for centuries, its easier to take a foreign religion because it fights witchcraft by just kneeling down and just praying, the problem is the people that brought religion to us, making us inferior to them because of lack of knowledge in their skills, not the religion itself. And to forge a new African religion is close to impossible in this age. to live without a religion is good for an individual like you, but for a group of Africans, you open a door to dark magic and lawlessness. I see it, its happening in our villages, in Joburg city and I've tried it myself and all I can say is, it works and it's 100% evil. God works better, and can actually heal every African, he can instate order in our communities. The Bible and Qur'an didn't create God, God has always been there, he is a ball of power, and some missionaries did us a favour by telling us what he has done in their lands and how they sourced his power. that's all/. We also can ask for wisdom, and we can automatically be superior in new skills: by order and systematic ways.
I have been talking to friends lately about the fact that African people are the only people in the World who are not allowed a religion of their own. All African religious/spiritual belief systems are viewed and presented in a very derogatory, and frankly fictitious, way. Even the ancient mesoamerican religions, where human sacrifice was a core component, are treated with respect and cultural sensitivity lol. A wah so bout black people why we can’t have our own belief systems? Why is it that our indigenous belief systems strike terror into the hearts and minds of others? To me, based on my own learning and understanding, it is because our traditional religions have motivated and empowered us to rebel against our historical oppressors. African religion is our freedom! It gives us agency!
Reclaiming those religions can not mean rejecting Islam and Christianity though, the people should be taught that there's a war to be fought against their oppressors, and that Islam and Christianity cam be weapons in that war, but unity beyond religion should be the objective, if the individuals want to latter abandon foreign religions or not, that is their choice to make
@@Tsuruchi_420 why can’t it mean rejecting Abrahamic religions? To me, it’s counter productive to worship your deity in the image of your oppressor, it’s not conducive to post-colonial liberation. Freedom of religion is a birth right, I’m not here to take it away from anyone, even though it was taken away from us. It’s just my opinion and what I think would be in the best interests of the pan-African world. Blessed love
gonna be so real with you i havent actually heard anything you said in this video (because i was researching religious syncretism between europe, africa, and natives and this just wasnt what i needed) BUT you have the perfect narration voice to leave on in the background and drown out school noises so ive looped this a hundred times today
Years ago, I remember Bishop William Rurikunde speaking at a barbecue. What he said was something I never expected. He said that once his forbears lived in fear of evil spirits and witchcraft. Then the “lovely missionaries came”. He then explained how Christ had changed their lives. We in Britain lived in fear of witchcraft and Druidism before the arrival of Christian missionaries.
The Moroccans may have invaded the Songhai Empire but what did the general public think? Ahmed Baba was very popular in Morroco. Abu'l-Mahalli launched a religious movement against the sons of Al-Mansur because of how they were behaving. Abu'l-Mahlli said - 'Properties had have been plundered and sanctities have been violated and, therefore, their power must be broken'. There was also a belief amongst the Moroccans that the invasion of Timbuktu was a sign that the world was coming to an end. From what I can see the general public in Morroco disagreed with the invasion of the Songhai Empire.
@@klappapa His family name was Aqit. They were Sanhaja berbers, probably Massufa. Baba was a middle name or possibly even a nickname as it doesn't even appear in some versions of his name. Baba is a muslim name though.
@@some1350 Ahmad Baba was a Sanhaja Berber. “The mosque that was chiefly associated with teaching in this period was the Sankore Mosque. Sankore is a quarter in the north-east of Timbuktu, and its name means ‘white nobles’, the term ‘white’ here referring to the light-skinned Sanhaja, and corresponding to the Arabic term _bidan_ .” (Hunwick et al. 2003, Timbuktu and the Songhay Empire, p.lviii) "Timbuktu was a town that had internalised the concept of race long before Ahmad Baba was born. Most of the town’s Berbers and Arabs, including Ahmad Baba, lived in the Sankoré quarter, which means the quarter of the ‘White masters’ or ‘White nobles’ in the Songhay language.” (Cleaveland 2015, Ahmad Baba al-Timbukti and his Islamic critique of racial slavery in the Maghrib)
@@ario4795 Ok seems you're correct. However, my main point still stands. It seems at least bare minimum a lot of the general public did not agree with the invasion of the Songhai Empire. Sometimes what rulers do does not reflect the opinion of the people.
So I think the problem stems from a failure to create deep, resilient, and adaptable systems. The core problem is the allure of foreign ways of doing things all together. The only reason a ruler or group of people even now chooses to adapt another groups cultural framework (of which they are only pretenders), is a missing element or better way to address a problem already plaguing that society. If these African rulers chose these other religions as a quick fix, it would seem they where already crumbling from an unaddressed issue. This made them exploitable.
This is why i hold no religious affiliation i hate religions growing up i was christian, they taught me to hate my people skin colour and our image i'm glad growing up i realised it was a waste of time and effort to believe in these things... i do believe in giving thanks to your ancestors because without them you would not be here but giving praise to any god is not welcomed around me.
@@illmaticgaming4162 The Tel Dan stele gives evidence of Solomon's father, David. So yes he did exist. I will admit a lot of elements in his story may have been exaggerated and added on overtime.
I don't think it's too hard to imagine why the Songhay and the Mandinka went to war with one another. That was a conflict which probably developed gradually, and more tangibly, overtime. Whereas the conflict with Morocco was probably completely unexpected.
Jeremiah was black "I am black.." Jeremiah 8:21 Solomon was black, "I am black...look not upon me because I am black, because the sun has looked upon me.." Songs of Solomon 1:5,6. The tribe of Judah is black. "The gates of Judah mourn. They are black down to the ground. The cry of Jerusalem has gone up". Jeremiah 14:2. "Their faces were blacker than a coal". Lamentations 4:8 "Their skin was black as an oven". Lamentations 5:10 "I am black..." Job 30:30
As an african american ados learning about slavery as a kid,I backed away from it.didnt need someone elses religion in order to believe in the universe God,etc
That was good. I always wondered what the issue was with the invasion of the Songhai Empire. I've been told the issue was gun in the hands of the morrocan gave then the victory...but conversly this didn't work for the brittttish till the 19th century when they had machine guns... i'm still confused. Ironically the same thing they did to Songhai was done to them by Europeans...
It was the guns, but the Songhai empire was extremely unstable because there was a succession crisis. Brothers were fighting brothers for the title of Askiya. When the Moroccans came, they surprised the Songhai, but the Songhai did not see them as much of a threat because Morocco was always weaker than their empire. They tried to use a stampede to take them down, and the moroccans shot the guns reversing the stampede and sending the cows trampling the Songhai elite force at the battle of Tondibi. Division is what caused the collapse
@@yusefbrooks8584 sad... ridiculous they didn't have a succession plan. I know this has happened in Europe too around the same time... but not with such dire consequences..
@@Keonny77 I think that monarchy isn't good for a kingdom but it should be a republic of some sort. I know that's what caused the fall of Kongo as well.
It all started with us Nubians. Some disagreeable beings decided to operate from their lower selves and turned on each other and the baby race who came after us just excalated the madness. Once we unite it is over for the wicked. ❤️🖤💚 Drops 🎤
It's not the prophets that revealed the message of brotherhood to the people in Africa, but the late followers who idealogy of faith in one God was not on their agenda from the beginning.
Wonderful post. I just have an issue with the wording you used in the beginning. You used word theory, where it should be hypothesis. When it comes to using the scientific method to evaluate subjects such as history. I would ask to keep the language in the scientific format. Thank you.
@Ario 4 & @Some 1 Hunwicks interpretation of Sankore can be challenged, in having nothing to do with skin color. Sankore is either derived from the Arabic root word “Sanna” meaning, to clean (the teeth), seize with the teeth, establish a law, follow a path, form. And/or the root word “Sakana” meaning, to be quiet, rest, repose, dwell, lodge, inhabit, stop, still, subside. -Omar Arabic-English Dictionary
All foreign Religions were forced unto us- Africans. Foreign Religions pushed our black women down and lost their status in our Africa society. Before Religion Africans are the only society who have Female Kings, who places women in higher class than men. Even when the Muslim traveler- Ibn Batuta first arrived in Africa long long time ago he Saw African women in higher status and even the married women will sit and talk with men he asked his black African host " how women never veiled themselves and have a male friends a controversial practice back home in the Maghreb (Arab world)" and his African host replied " This association of women with men is agreeable to us and part of our good manners, to which no suspicion attached...they are not like the women of your country" the Muslim traveler got mad and felt insulted so from there they forced their barbaric Religion on us, forcing our women to veil and away from men and that what we still see today in Muslim Africa community
I definitely appreciate the multiple perspectives on Islam and Christianity, I'm still firm in my Christian beliefs, it served my life well. But I do see how the followers really spanked the teachings 🙏🏿
You mean you are still a firm believer of snakes and donkeys talking?, human sacrifices and thousands of inconsistencies and scientific illiteracy? And ridiculous bible stories?
@@jonahmaddox1038 Definitely, when God said love your neighbor, SOMEHOW people started the inquisition of America. Just like the Egyptian religions too, those were twisted by Pharaoh to enslave the Ethiopian Jews.
I looked at the sources used for the documentary and all of the authors appear to have a European background in education. Meaning it’s a European perspective (if you’re using European sources for your information). To get and African perspective I would imagine one would have to search outside the English language and look for reports in Arabic and other tribal languages for written documentation.
Well done! You're articulating this much better than I could. The capitalist exploitation part was very compelling because I also noticed that these abrahamic religions were introduced to us through trade that overtime became more exploitative. It's also clear that there may have been a social gap that these religions filled e.g. the Moroccan rulers with slave mothers. They and other social minorities of high class may have had to endured ridicule and suffering throughout their lives from the majority. This is exactly the kind of opportunity where abrahamic religion thrives. Plus the way they create a new genealogy for themselves to justify their place in society, by any means necessary (delusion and war). It's sad how these social gaps are still present to this day and the running theme of anti-blackness is beyond anything we can imagine. There's so much to detangle here, but its worth it. We need to continue to assess the conditions that allowed for this to happen. Rulers ignorance and naivety, social discrimination within African societies, Greed, anti-blackness. These things are still playing out today. It's easy to say destroy capitalism, but honestly I want to discover a solution that does not result in another world war, at our expense. There are many tools at our disposal e.g. education, diet, music, farming, trade, innovation, technology, fashion and so much more. I'm not losing hope for the Black people (People of african descent in all their wonderful hues and shades). Let's heal and move forward knowing the harm other's are capable of inflicting in the name of their gods. Whether that's a yhwh, allah, invisible hand or free trade. It's clear that these punks will say anything to get a shiny rock or a piece of cotton. These days it's numbers on a screen going up. And they have achieved this by any means necessary. Keep up the good work. I've been watching this channel since high school and it's been a great intro to African history for me. Bless up fam.
Just to point out. Europeans at that time weren't practicing capitalism. They were practicing Mercantilism. Capitalism came later with Adam Smith's teachings.
Adam Smith didn't invent nothing, nor can one person invent and entire mode of production, if it smells, looks and tastes like capitalism, then it is so
The differences were not about skin color, the differences were of religious belief. 1. The Songhai empire was becoming a caliphate which would have made them the center of the Muslim world 2. The Islam is of the west is very different from the Islam of the east and still is. Western Muslims allowed their women to read and write and hold equal value to that of a man. I would say the first reason is far more important because it involves control and power, while the second would be your reason for fighting as you can claim its pagan and not true Islam.. we see this today with groups destroying sacred sights for religious reasons.
I have made my own analysis. Where Christianity and Islam has headquarters, the place is flourishing. Where it is practiced by converts like Africa, the place is suffering. And where these religions were forbidden eg Japan, China, etc, those places are doing just fine economically. Africans have everything but are looking for a better place like heaven or paradise where there are streets of gold etc. Who knows for sure what 'heaven' or 'paradise' is like. So, the moral of the story is everyone wants a good life but religions promise it after you leave earth. At the end everyone believes not because they want a bad life.
I believe the ways and forms of worship was something we knew, they only capitalize on them and form the unions out of them, later naming it religion, with our history and contact with the creator, all those information were documented in our cave shelters, and stones (cuneiforms), base on that info they refurbished them to something new for us.
Since both these nations are mentioned frequently in the Torah and Bible, could you cover the history of abrahamic religions in Ethiopia and Egypt? I want to know how these religions were originally practiced.
When you take a foreign religion you will always get subjugated. Look at what the Aryans did to the black original settlers in India and then formed Hinduism. Look at the cast System in India. We need to control and limit the power off religion in our continent and champion our Spirituality.
I agree to a point but; what parent would treat there children 🤔 so horrible 😢. In all truth we are the parents of all humanity and for our children to treat us in this way is ALMOST unforgivable.
I am indian my dear African brothers and sisters I will tell you one truth Islam and Christianity relegions are not our ancestors relegions this two Abrahamic relegions total coleneised relegions actvaly african people NATURE god people it's true' , truth is God, it's similarities to hinduism.love from INDIA 💕💕💕.
I practice Hoodoo, an african american ethnic religion derived from Central and west african traditions and esotericism and supernaturalism. I've never been more free and connected to the ancestors. Mainstream religion only held me back
To say that they were “fooled” is to do a disservice to your ancestors. They were no less genius then than we are today. They made choices, they had every right to make . Just because you disagree with the choices they made , doesn’t give you the right to dumb them down. On one hand you are so proud of the African accomplishments, on the other hand, you shame them when you disapprove of anything besides what you think to be true African religions , when in fact, everything originates somewhere. Who knows who brought the continent idolatry, but thats to be readily accepted before Abrahamic faiths? Come on now.
Nah they were fooled. If they knew the state we were living in now. They would've neutered themselves to save us the trouble. - I think what you meant to say was: their reasons made logical sense at the time.
@@Baraborn nah, I meant what I said. I live a good life. I have a husband, children, a family, a community, companions, a home, a career , passions, and most of all, I have my الله. I’m so sorry that you live a life that makes you wish you’d never been born, and I pray for you to have love in your life, happiness and all that makes you feel whole, إن شاء الله
@@Baraborn They were not fooled. Think deeper than that. They were victims of the age of colonialism, which came centuries after Islam first arrived in Africa. Christianity is another matter but even that relationship was mutual until colonization of the continent (and the Transatlantic Slave Trade) grew considerably worse over time. The problem has always been modern imperialism and the way it was used to exploit the medieval, tribal, and/or divided societies of its time. This includes weaponizing and even betraying religion all in the name of profit...
Religion as a political tool/weapon in the hands of others will always get you in trouble...Unfortunately the people that brought you their "religion" also brought technology, writing, etc....Just part of the game .
The game would be more acceptable if those who brought the religion would take their knees off the neck of those they conquered. It is not a game when they continue to remain in control of your existence on this earth. And what makes you think technology and writing did not exist before the invasions?
@@sasbridgecloserstudent Of course...But I don't know too many instances in history where a group would give up an advantage over others....It doesn't happen now so I doubt it would happen then.
@@sasbridgecloserstudent And I NEVER STATED that we didn't have technology but what they had coupled with their ideas were so attractive to our people that it's still there so it speaks to what they had.
The colonisers did NOT bring writing to Africa. They did not bring any technology, in fact very much impeded the development of African technology. Genocide and colonialism is never, even remotely, justifiable
@@osz804 They brought guns, they brought medicine, they brought items and ideas from all over..No one is excusing or rationalizing criminality or exploitation but you know you're tripping 😏
For those that dont know: most religions 98% in Africa are monotheistic(the one GOD), way before Abraham. We dont convert or force our faiths on other tribes. Our languages are sacred to these beliefs. -Beni-Nzambi
Very disingenuous I just was a video that was talking about Bornu-Ottoman alliance that was based most likely due to religious affiliation which shows you that it’s a bit more complex than saying it was just religion being bad.
I assume it was due to influential African figures of the past being Muslim themselves. Or, perhaps, to offer an antithesis to the Christian-preaching ways of the West and white Americans. Either way, it was adopted as a means of empowerment and identity.
Soo true!!! African viewing from barbados. Herero tribe in Namibia were killer in church while praying with closed eyes. Organized by germán presta and the germán soldiers 😮😮😮
This sounds like the Persian when the Arabs came with Islam they accepted it but the Arabs had to leave has all foreign power because they understand that over time they would be look down on experience and history made them aware of this ie the Assyrian .Greece, Mongolian and others
We as Afrikans have our Indigenous Afrikan Spirituality. We and our Ancestors are Spiritual People who are in tune with Mother Earth and The Universe. I'm a Proud Afrikan who is returning to Afrikan Spirituality. The Religions brought by Invaders and Colonizers were made to keep us Docile, Lack Critical Thinking, And Hate ourselves and Culture. I just really hope that all my fellow Afrikans wake up and leave these Man Made religions for good and ever.
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It seems to me that most Africans, no matter the period of time, sociopolitical landscape, cultural backdrop, nation or climate, has always been easily fooled by notions of oecumenia and brotherhood when the Uncle Ruckus Syndrome ridden M*lattoes of the North, the W0gs, the desert wanderers and the navigators starts flirting around.
Getting caught by the exact same tactic, over and over again for now 4,000 years. When are we going to learn?
"You can't make this sh*t up!"
- Kevin Samuels.
This is Bs,,bro you from America ,,the the f you going to no ,,3quarters of people that got taken over from Africa to America
They was MUSLIM,,it has got to be the jews and Christians,,
African man sold out African ,,people
yep, just look at the 2023 Masalit genocide 😢
“When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.” ― Jomo Kenyatta
This is so true
Yes but thats not on the religion...some of the Oldest churches are in africa. It was Romans that killed Jesus. Christianity is White washed
This remind me of something which may or may not apply. A question of, who holds the real treasures? It’s found in the Bible, book of Matthew chapter 6 starting at verse 19. It goes “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
Jomo Kenyatta was a good orator and was a compliant puppet of the British also- he didn’t return much of the “ Landgrabbed” Kikuyu land that was returned to Kenya by the British . Kenyatta robbed his own people and most of Kenya know it. Lol
@@ObeseGramps yhyh, and the same christians believe they have gold and mansions for them in heaven
So happy I got off the religious plantation a long time ago, absolutely no regrets.
One thing I’ve noticed is that most of the despicable of racist people I’ve come cross claim to be either Islam or Christian especially those extremists
Same here Fam!
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Lol, nicely put. Big up yourself
I really yearn to do the same my sistuation is does not allow that .
As a practitioner of Santeria (Yoruba faith in Cuba🇨🇺), my heart is broken every time I think our brothers in the motherland have been fooled by Western religions and forgotten the roots that we now celebrate. I hope Ìṣẹ̀ṣe tradition will one day return to the prestige it deserves. Aché for my Yoruba and African brothers and sisters 🕊️❤️
African religions are inferior to western religions. Too much ancestor worship
Respect to you brethren.
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Soy Cubana, Lucumi tambien, santera hija de Yemaya Okute. Mi papa es un babalawo y mi mama es una santera, hija de Yemaya tambien. Toda mi familia tienen "santo." Los orishas son la luz en mi vida. IFA es muy profunda, esta triste que nuestrsa gente no saben la verdad de nuestra fe 🇨🇺🇨🇺🇨🇺🇨🇺😇😇😇
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Finally someone has the guts to talk about this. It seems people only talk about the good things abrahamic religions did for Africans, but always seem to gloss over all the bad that abrahamic religions have done for Africans.
Same
You forget that Ethiopia believed in that Abrahamic religion, while maintaining independence.
@@thevisitor1012 christianity in Ethiopia is almost a completely different religion from what europe forced on the rest of the world
Yes.
What good things, please
A foreigner can never be your brother. In Africa I am even frightened of my relatives let alone a total stranger.
Facts 😂
But I think it’s because your Igbo we don’t exactly see ourselves as one.
I’m agnostic and I fully agree. The fact that Africans and Afro descendant people can’t seem to realize that Islam and Christianity played a role in the destruction of the continent is crazy
They'll make any excuse they can, including claiming to be Abrahamic religion to have originated in Africa, which isn't true...
Of the world, you mean?
@Ebk so what? The first bible can be from Ethiopia and Christianity & Islam still helped to destroy the continent. Both things can be true
There is nothing wrong with Christianity itself however people have misused the religion and twisted it for their own benefits. This is what was used against us but also many other ethnic groups in the world
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Your opening line from the jump says it all. "Africans became just as pious and faithful as any other, yet when it came to the idea of religious brotherhood there always seemed to be a disconnect. This ambivalence unfortunately revealed a darker side demonstrating how religious nations at times didn't PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACHED"
Keep on sharing what you have been finding, as we continue to share what we are learning!!!
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Ethiopian Christianity
So true
This is the unfortunate truth, I wish traditional African religions would write down their knowledge in a book, to make it easier for native/ diasporan Africans to learn more about our ancestral practices, in a more pragmatic manner to fit today’s time.
Same
That's the main reason other faiths lasted and flourished and many of ours didn't.
diasporan?
It's difficult to do that when their knowledge keepers are religiously persecuted if they refuse to practice their religion in secret. I personally have second-hand experience with such things. Usually, those who do write about it are ethnographers/anthropologists who don't understand the beliefs as well as those they getting their info from
@@gudisatufa6187 An English historian said if your ideals and values are in the minority you better be prepared to fight for them
"Religion " as a "weapon"
Is still a weapon at the end of the day.
ethnicity and culture is also a weapon then
A statement which has no real meaning,
Deserves either a non authentic answer ?
Or,
None at all.
You decide.
What's crazy is I had this conversation with different age groups of AA'S the other day and another time with West Indians not long before and boy was it enlightening. I just wanna say a lot of our people are aware...and it warms my soul.
They took our concepts flipped it perverted it and threw us the okey doke, we caught it and then ran with it 🤦🏾♂
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True.
True. Many of us are more devoted to the religions than those who brought it to us. And many of us will defend the religions with our whole hearts. It shows how our spiritual nature was used against us. They observed us and saw ways that would make us vulnerable to their tactics.
@@sasbridgecloserstudent Look at how the Axumites praised God as they defeated the Italians who were invading their homeland. I don't think the faith is the problem.
@@thevisitor1012 Ethiopians believe in Coptic Christianity I think. A sort of Orthodox type. The Italians were catholic which is what western Europeans practices.
I don't think it was just capitalism. Racism and a sentiment of supremacy (whether Arab or European) played a role in considering the black Africans as inferior to them. In the case of Arabs, this predates Islam, but became more prominent as the religion expanded (and it wasn't only against blacks, but generally against non-Arabs, but blacks were often treated the worst). And what it worse, this continues to happen to this day.
This is ironic because black people are the original humans.
Capitalism is what keeps racism going today though
Mohammed was a Blackman.
Then came the Persians and took over, wanting to kill Mohammed. He sought refuge in christian Ethiopia.
Islam mythology came after Christianity mythology that came after Judaism mythology that came well after Greek mythology that came well after Egyptian mythology.
That came well after something else.
The hadza people are by and large atheist.
@ Kuro Azrem, Definitely agree
The Arabs engaged in the SLAVE TRADE.
Religion in Africa is naturally a very polarising topic...
The exchange between Ahmed Baba and the Moroccan sultan is a very interesting moment in the Moroccan/Songhai conflict.
Certainly. I recall another text of the Morrocan Sultan being warned by his own countrymen before invading the Songhai, due to the religious implications, yet he ignored them all the same.
Because this particular Moroccan Sultan may have been a Muslim, but was a nationalist first and foremost. He also waged war on the Ottomans (Eurasian Muslims) by allying with European Christians. His main general in the invasion of Songhai was of Catholic-European origin. He wasn’t interested in Islamic unity… he was focused on the interests of Morocco in light of the rising power and influence of Spain and Portugal. I usually enjoy these videos, but this one is “thesis history” and not a reflection of Home Teams best work.
Coming from Mali... Great content, unfortunately it's not common knowledge. Brainwashing is real out here... Illiteracy does not help as well. Thanks for sharing !
Fake Malian
@@AL_AFGHANI1how do you know😂 what has islam done for Mali?
In the case of both Morocco and Portugal, their leaders were driven by profit and greed. It's very telling that these ideas of morality, religion, and brotherhood can always be overridden by our basic human instincts to survive. And that during these time periods, the kingdoms of Africa never held such ambitions that the imperialists far north of them did. Perhaps it was because they never had to. And that is what left them, not unlike most of the world, unguarded and unprepared for the modern era.
In those times, the goal wasn’t to only conquer the land, but to also convert the ppl. It was a common practices throughout history. Those who did not convert were beaten or killed. For survival many ppl converted and overtime our own rituals were lost.
A major problem black people have is that too many of us are unaware of how blessed we are and that other people want what we naturally have. This is because humans are more aware of what they don't have as opposed to what they do have.
And what do black people naturally have that others want?
@@soda8736Africa, the wealthiest land in the world, our melanin skin which has many benefits, our athleticism, rhythm, style, creativity, the spirit & energy within us,the most genetically diverse people on the planet etc.
@@isiahjean-baptiste434 Land or resources mean nothing if the people cant cultivate the resources. Asians and Europeans cultivate the major resources and Africans do the labor or if the Africans in charge they outsource it.. . Melanin can be found in many people , there are people in South America, South east Asian , India and the islands of Samoa that have melanin and have people darker than any light skin black person. Also I don't know if you actually study culture , but all cultures or people have their own attributes. For example, without European creativity you and I woulnt be communicating about on this device. .It's not a competition.. Here's somes advice , there is no problem with having pride in being black , but that doesn't mean you should take shots at other people ,Also you'll admit Africa is the most diverse genetically , but you would probably call the North Africans of today invaders though they have been there 20000 years at least.
@@soda8736 Europe has been poor and violent for most of its existence, Africa hasn't. Right before the colonial period, Europe had been through 700 years of the dark ages. Even over the last 300 years when Western Europe became strong, most of their citizens were still poor. Millions of Europeans migrated to the US in the late 19th- early 20th century. Math, science, engineering was brought to the world by Africans. Also, many of the inventions that make modern society possible are black inventions including the elevator, cell phone, refrigerator, gps, lawn mower, traffic light system etc & that's despite this being our period of decline. When I said creativity I was referring more to the music, dance, slang, hairstyle, fashion trends that black people set and other people don't. No other group has the influence black people have.
Also Arab Africans have only been in Africa for about 1000 years. The Ancient Egyptians were black for example. Egypt's biblical name is Kemite, which means "land of black people." Black people are the original humans & have been in our current form for more than 250,000 years. I don't even think any other race is more than 15,000 years old.
@@isiahjean-baptiste434 You look at at history like it's a competition because I'm sure what you learned is from afrocentrics scholars who teach that way and romanticize Africa and downplay Europe.. Some of those invention I'm aware of some I think people lied to you about. The Arab phenotype has been in North Africa for at leas 2000 year's, look up ginger man , a pre dynastic mummy and look at his hair it's not black hair..I'm not saying there was no black people in Egypt , but to say it was a black society is a reach in opinion. If so where all the black people go , there is no documented mass migration or genocide, even with Egypt fallen to Foreign rule many times. Sudan stands for land of the blacks , why is Egypt not named that ? Because Sudan was where black people were in large numbers..
You have done marvelously, as usual! Just what I have been needing to hear. Thank you.
Probably one of our biggest downfalls is that we are far too magical.
All people were fooled by these hierarchical religions but people have to be ensnared or enslaved in a dominance state hierarchy for it be successful. I think there needs to be more focus on the non-state societies of africa and how they were affected by colonialism and imperialism
Well spoken!
Has there ever been anyone who has come from outside of Africa and not saw it as an opportunity to exploit its people? I'm not necessarily preaching xenophobia but not gatekeeping has proven to be historically catastrophic
The true fight is between the lower classes and the higher ones, the people with these ambitions of conquest and exploitation readily do it against their own people too, it is not a fight against foreigners, it is against the powerful
I reunited to my Igbo traditional roots. I’m learning how to practice Odinani and I’m so overjoyed to learn about the culture that was hidden from me. Pan Africa is something you put in a jar or book, there’s no container because it constantly expands.
there have always been black africans in north africa before islam
Nope
In your dreams perhaps
in your dreams, Romans had most of north Africa and Romans almost NEVER met blacks
still are today met some my self
@@jakobjama4612 Their ancestors arrived in North Africa post-Islam
It is crazy how religion can become ethnicity.
The justification for the Mali-Songhai conflicts are indeed a unique case which I wish we had more context behind. It's at least worth mentioning the Malian conquests of Sonni Ali, whose status as a Muslim remains very controversial, and who was condemned by the Muslims of his time regardless.
Well done. Gives me a great jump off point to do some of my own research. Thank you
Correction: How Africans allow themselves to be fooled?
I don't think any Africans were fooled during the battle of Adwa, but you tell me.
Keep ignoring what you don't want to hear.
Nuttun no go so
Victim blaming
I am an atheist and the fact that Black folks don’t see Christ as a foreign influence baffles me.
It was always a religion of subjugation to another peoples god
I believe we know that Christ is a foreign influence, just like every basic need is foreign to Black people, Our Beds, Clothes, Houses and Food etc. And the real issue is, Africans run straight to witchcraft the minute you move religion from our system...and witchcraft has only brought us misfortunes for centuries, its easier to take a foreign religion because it fights witchcraft by just kneeling down and just praying, the problem is the people that brought religion to us, making us inferior to them because of lack of knowledge in their skills, not the religion itself. And to forge a new African religion is close to impossible in this age. to live without a religion is good for an individual like you, but for a group of Africans, you open a door to dark magic and lawlessness. I see it, its happening in our villages, in Joburg city and I've tried it myself and all I can say is, it works and it's 100% evil. God works better, and can actually heal every African, he can instate order in our communities. The Bible and Qur'an didn't create God, God has always been there, he is a ball of power, and some missionaries did us a favour by telling us what he has done in their lands and how they sourced his power. that's all/. We also can ask for wisdom, and we can automatically be superior in new skills: by order and systematic ways.
Today is Sunday good time to binge-watch.
Well put together, Thank you bro,
I have been talking to friends lately about the fact that African people are the only people in the World who are not allowed a religion of their own. All African religious/spiritual belief systems are viewed and presented in a very derogatory, and frankly fictitious, way. Even the ancient mesoamerican religions, where human sacrifice was a core component, are treated with respect and cultural sensitivity lol. A wah so bout black people why we can’t have our own belief systems? Why is it that our indigenous belief systems strike terror into the hearts and minds of others? To me, based on my own learning and understanding, it is because our traditional religions have motivated and empowered us to rebel against our historical oppressors. African religion is our freedom! It gives us agency!
Reclaiming those religions can not mean rejecting Islam and Christianity though, the people should be taught that there's a war to be fought against their oppressors, and that Islam and Christianity cam be weapons in that war, but unity beyond religion should be the objective, if the individuals want to latter abandon foreign religions or not, that is their choice to make
@@Tsuruchi_420 why can’t it mean rejecting Abrahamic religions? To me, it’s counter productive to worship your deity in the image of your oppressor, it’s not conducive to post-colonial liberation. Freedom of religion is a birth right, I’m not here to take it away from anyone, even though it was taken away from us. It’s just my opinion and what I think would be in the best interests of the pan-African world. Blessed love
@@IrishJam93 you cant force your ideals onto people it will only push them away
@@neetea2that works in both ways
Because we are the chosen people and the oppressors knew this. To break us, it was necessary to lie to us and to divide and conquer
Good analysis and theory. Yes, more should be done to study this further.
gonna be so real with you i havent actually heard anything you said in this video (because i was researching religious syncretism between europe, africa, and natives and this just wasnt what i needed) BUT you have the perfect narration voice to leave on in the background and drown out school noises so ive looped this a hundred times today
It is also worth mentioning that many Imazighen resisted islamization and arabization. Sadly, these movements were crushed by Sunni extremists.
They would still hate abeeds like you though
YES, I've been saying this for so long, but unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to get better any time soon
Years ago, I remember Bishop William Rurikunde speaking at a barbecue. What he said was something I never expected.
He said that once his forbears lived in fear of evil spirits and witchcraft. Then the “lovely missionaries came”. He then explained how Christ had changed their lives.
We in Britain lived in fear of witchcraft and Druidism before the arrival of Christian missionaries.
The Moroccans may have invaded the Songhai Empire but what did the general public think? Ahmed Baba was very popular in Morroco. Abu'l-Mahalli launched a religious movement against the sons of Al-Mansur because of how they were behaving. Abu'l-Mahlli said - 'Properties had have been plundered and sanctities have been violated and, therefore, their power must be broken'. There was also a belief amongst the Moroccans that the invasion of Timbuktu was a sign that the world was coming to an end. From what I can see the general public in Morroco disagreed with the invasion of the Songhai Empire.
Ahmed Baba was a north african berber.
@@ario4795 No he wasn't. He was a black scholar from Timbuktu.
@@klappapa His family name was Aqit. They were Sanhaja berbers, probably Massufa. Baba was a middle name or possibly even a nickname as it doesn't even appear in some versions of his name. Baba is a muslim name though.
@@some1350 Ahmad Baba was a Sanhaja Berber.
“The mosque that was chiefly associated with teaching in this period was the Sankore Mosque. Sankore is a quarter in the north-east of Timbuktu, and its name means ‘white nobles’, the term ‘white’ here referring to the light-skinned Sanhaja, and corresponding to the Arabic term _bidan_ .”
(Hunwick et al. 2003, Timbuktu and the Songhay Empire, p.lviii)
"Timbuktu was a town that had internalised the concept of race long before Ahmad Baba was born. Most of the town’s Berbers and Arabs, including Ahmad Baba, lived in the Sankoré quarter, which means the quarter of the ‘White masters’ or ‘White nobles’ in the Songhay language.”
(Cleaveland 2015, Ahmad Baba al-Timbukti and his Islamic critique of racial slavery in the Maghrib)
@@ario4795 Ok seems you're correct. However, my main point still stands. It seems at least bare minimum a lot of the general public did not agree with the invasion of the Songhai Empire. Sometimes what rulers do does not reflect the opinion of the people.
So I think the problem stems from a failure to create deep, resilient, and adaptable systems.
The core problem is the allure of foreign ways of doing things all together. The only reason a ruler or group of people even now chooses to adapt another groups cultural framework (of which they are only pretenders), is a missing element or better way to address a problem already plaguing that society.
If these African rulers chose these other religions as a quick fix, it would seem they where already crumbling from an unaddressed issue. This made them exploitable.
Phenomenal job as always.
This will take years to dismantle
This is why i hold no religious affiliation i hate religions growing up i was christian, they taught me to hate my people skin colour and our image i'm glad growing up i realised it was a waste of time and effort to believe in these things... i do believe in giving thanks to your ancestors because without them you would not be here but giving praise to any god is not welcomed around me.
That makes zero sense. For example Moses and Solomon fell in love with Black women, how could it teach you to hate yourself?
Solomon and Moses did not exist.Hephaestus fell in love with Aphrodite a black woman. The story doesn't make them real.
@@illmaticgaming4162 The Tel Dan stele gives evidence of Solomon's father, David. So yes he did exist. I will admit a lot of elements in his story may have been exaggerated and added on overtime.
@@illmaticgaming4162 This is the first time I've ever heard of Aphrodite being black, where did you hear this?
@@illmaticgaming4162 Though I don’t believe in religion either Aphrodite is clearly not black bro but I do agree with the overall point.
Thanks for bringing out the Truth daily.
I don't think it's too hard to imagine why the Songhay and the Mandinka went to war with one another. That was a conflict which probably developed gradually, and more tangibly, overtime. Whereas the conflict with Morocco was probably completely unexpected.
Thank you, you are doing a great job as always..
Your intro song is cool, what n who is the track ?
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You are spot on Sir
Excellent video site!
Im a Christian but you nailed this ..well said and well put 👏🏿👏🏿
Set yourself free
Just curious….knowing the history? Why ?
I am free I wish we had more time to talk about this not on here or probably face to face wish yall the best brothers
Jeremiah was black "I am black.." Jeremiah 8:21
Solomon was black, "I am black...look not upon me because I am black, because the sun has looked upon me.." Songs of Solomon 1:5,6.
The tribe of Judah is black. "The gates of Judah mourn. They are black down to the ground. The cry of Jerusalem has gone up". Jeremiah 14:2.
"Their faces were blacker than a coal". Lamentations 4:8
"Their skin was black as an oven". Lamentations 5:10
"I am black..." Job 30:30
They came with the book and left with Slaves Wake up Stay Solid ✊🏿💯
As an african american ados learning about slavery as a kid,I backed away from it.didnt need someone elses religion in order to believe in the universe God,etc
That was good. I always wondered what the issue was with the invasion of the Songhai Empire. I've been told the issue was gun in the hands of the morrocan gave then the victory...but conversly this didn't work for the brittttish till the 19th century when they had machine guns... i'm still confused. Ironically the same thing they did to Songhai was done to them by Europeans...
It was the guns, but the Songhai empire was extremely unstable because there was a succession crisis. Brothers were fighting brothers for the title of Askiya. When the Moroccans came, they surprised the Songhai, but the Songhai did not see them as much of a threat because Morocco was always weaker than their empire. They tried to use a stampede to take them down, and the moroccans shot the guns reversing the stampede and sending the cows trampling the Songhai elite force at the battle of Tondibi. Division is what caused the collapse
@@yusefbrooks8584 sad... ridiculous they didn't have a succession plan. I know this has happened in Europe too around the same time... but not with such dire consequences..
@@Keonny77 I think that monarchy isn't good for a kingdom but it should be a republic of some sort. I know that's what caused the fall of Kongo as well.
Once the roots have cut from the tree the trunk would collapse .
One can learn everything he needs to know about religion by observing how gently you need to approach a topic which criticizes it.
No, this comment section shows exactly the opposite of this, religion is much more complex of a topic than many people think
@@Tsuruchi_420 You completely miss the point I made.
That it is gloriously powerful. Beautiful.
It all started with us Nubians. Some disagreeable beings decided to operate from their lower selves and turned on each other and the baby race who came after us just excalated the madness. Once we unite it is over for the wicked. ❤️🖤💚 Drops 🎤
It's not the prophets that revealed the message of brotherhood to the people in Africa, but the late followers who idealogy of faith in one God was not on their agenda from the beginning.
Religion isn't inherently bad. I'm adhere to my personal perennial philosophy in which I find value in every teaching.
Great video
Wonderful post. I just have an issue with the wording you used in the beginning. You used word theory, where it should be hypothesis. When it comes to using the scientific method to evaluate subjects such as history. I would ask to keep the language in the scientific format. Thank you.
@Ario 4 & @Some 1 Hunwicks interpretation of Sankore can be challenged, in having nothing to do with skin color. Sankore is either derived from the Arabic root word “Sanna” meaning, to clean (the teeth), seize with the teeth, establish a law, follow a path, form. And/or the root word “Sakana” meaning, to be quiet, rest, repose, dwell, lodge, inhabit, stop, still, subside. -Omar Arabic-English Dictionary
All foreign Religions were forced unto us- Africans. Foreign Religions pushed our black women down and lost their status in our Africa society. Before Religion Africans are the only society who have Female Kings, who places women in higher class than men. Even when the Muslim traveler- Ibn Batuta first arrived in Africa long long time ago he Saw African women in higher status and even the married women will sit and talk with men he asked his black African host " how women never veiled themselves and have a male friends a controversial practice back home in the Maghreb (Arab world)" and his African host replied " This association of women with men is agreeable to us and part of our good manners, to which no suspicion attached...they are not like the women of your country" the Muslim traveler got mad and felt insulted so from there they forced their barbaric Religion on us, forcing our women to veil and away from men and that what we still see today in Muslim Africa community
Was this in Nubia or Songhai?
I definitely appreciate the multiple perspectives on Islam and Christianity, I'm still firm in my Christian beliefs, it served my life well. But I do see how the followers really spanked the teachings 🙏🏿
People can turn the word of God backwards
You mean you are still a firm believer of snakes and donkeys talking?, human sacrifices and thousands of inconsistencies and scientific illiteracy? And ridiculous bible stories?
@@jonahmaddox1038 Definitely, when God said love your neighbor, SOMEHOW people started the inquisition of America. Just like the Egyptian religions too, those were twisted by Pharaoh to enslave the Ethiopian Jews.
@@jonahmaddox1038 That's for everyone and every thing. Even our African proverbs are used against their own people for what even greed one wanted.
I looked at the sources used for the documentary and all of the authors appear to have a European background in education. Meaning it’s a European perspective (if you’re using European sources for your information). To get and African perspective I would imagine one would have to search outside the English language and look for reports in Arabic and other tribal languages for written documentation.
Well done! You're articulating this much better than I could. The capitalist exploitation part was very compelling because I also noticed that these abrahamic religions were introduced to us through trade that overtime became more exploitative. It's also clear that there may have been a social gap that these religions filled e.g. the Moroccan rulers with slave mothers. They and other social minorities of high class may have had to endured ridicule and suffering throughout their lives from the majority. This is exactly the kind of opportunity where abrahamic religion thrives. Plus the way they create a new genealogy for themselves to justify their place in society, by any means necessary (delusion and war). It's sad how these social gaps are still present to this day and the running theme of anti-blackness is beyond anything we can imagine. There's so much to detangle here, but its worth it. We need to continue to assess the conditions that allowed for this to happen. Rulers ignorance and naivety, social discrimination within African societies, Greed, anti-blackness. These things are still playing out today.
It's easy to say destroy capitalism, but honestly I want to discover a solution that does not result in another world war, at our expense. There are many tools at our disposal e.g. education, diet, music, farming, trade, innovation, technology, fashion and so much more. I'm not losing hope for the Black people (People of african descent in all their wonderful hues and shades). Let's heal and move forward knowing the harm other's are capable of inflicting in the name of their gods. Whether that's a yhwh, allah, invisible hand or free trade. It's clear that these punks will say anything to get a shiny rock or a piece of cotton. These days it's numbers on a screen going up. And they have achieved this by any means necessary.
Keep up the good work. I've been watching this channel since high school and it's been a great intro to African history for me. Bless up fam.
you finally came to the same conclusion I have years ago.
It's true that "you cannot serve both God and mammon" but it ain't stopped people from trying.
Just to point out. Europeans at that time weren't practicing capitalism. They were practicing Mercantilism. Capitalism came later with Adam Smith's teachings.
Adam Smith didn't invent nothing, nor can one person invent and entire mode of production, if it smells, looks and tastes like capitalism, then it is so
The differences were not about skin color, the differences were of religious belief. 1. The Songhai empire was becoming a caliphate which would have made them the center of the Muslim world
2. The Islam is of the west is very different from the Islam of the east and still is. Western Muslims allowed their women to read and write and hold equal value to that of a man. I would say the first reason is far more important because it involves control and power, while the second would be your reason for fighting as you can claim its pagan and not true Islam.. we see this today with groups destroying sacred sights for religious reasons.
You know you are telling the truth.
(Religion in America keeps black poorer as they cliche the BIBLE…lol And Women single and many divorced.)
Is there a place to donate to your channel?
I believe he has that I do in the description box.
I have made my own analysis. Where Christianity and Islam has headquarters, the place is flourishing. Where it is practiced by converts like Africa, the place is suffering. And where these religions were forbidden eg Japan, China, etc, those places are doing just fine economically. Africans have everything but are looking for a better place like heaven or paradise where there are streets of gold etc.
Who knows for sure what 'heaven' or 'paradise' is like. So, the moral of the story is everyone wants a good life but religions promise it after you leave earth. At the end everyone believes not because they want a bad life.
On top of that these religions look down on Africans.
My brother you thinking just like me the promise of reward in heaven tricked us into not making good lives for our people.
Arabs are also converts, Europeans to, every single humans ancestors were converts to a religion
I believe the ways and forms of worship was something we knew, they only capitalize on them and form the unions out of them, later naming it religion, with our history and contact with the creator, all those information were documented in our cave shelters, and stones (cuneiforms), base on that info they refurbished them to something new for us.
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Since both these nations are mentioned frequently in the Torah and Bible, could you cover the history of abrahamic religions in Ethiopia and Egypt?
I want to know how these religions were originally practiced.
The ancient Pharoahs were somalis from the land of punt current day somali
When you take a foreign religion you will always get subjugated. Look at what the Aryans did to the black original settlers in India and then formed Hinduism. Look at the cast System in India. We need to control and limit the power off religion in our continent and champion our Spirituality.
The only constant to peace is strength. You are brothers when you are respected, and children when you are not. Simple as that.
I agree to a point but; what parent would treat there children 🤔 so horrible 😢. In all truth we are the parents of all humanity and for our children to treat us in this way is ALMOST unforgivable.
Ok from what ive seen christianism did not destroyed africa,capitalism did
I am indian my dear African brothers and sisters I will tell you one truth Islam and Christianity relegions are not our ancestors relegions this two Abrahamic relegions total coleneised relegions actvaly african people NATURE god people it's true' , truth is God, it's similarities to hinduism.love from INDIA 💕💕💕.
India kept its Gods and culture. Much respect.
Thanks brother one day we Will Get rid of this shitty religions
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I practice Hoodoo, an african american ethnic religion derived from Central and west african traditions and esotericism and supernaturalism. I've never been more free and connected to the ancestors. Mainstream religion only held me back
To say that they were “fooled” is to do a disservice to your ancestors. They were no less genius then than we are today. They made choices, they had every right to make . Just because you disagree with the choices they made , doesn’t give you the right to dumb them down. On one hand you are so proud of the African accomplishments, on the other hand, you shame them when you disapprove of anything besides what you think to be true African religions , when in fact, everything originates somewhere. Who knows who brought the continent idolatry, but thats to be readily accepted before Abrahamic faiths? Come on now.
Nah they were fooled. If they knew the state we were living in now. They would've neutered themselves to save us the trouble. - I think what you meant to say was: their reasons made logical sense at the time.
@@Baraborn nah, I meant what I said. I live a good life. I have a husband, children, a family, a community, companions, a home, a career , passions, and most of all, I have my الله. I’m so sorry that you live a life that makes you wish you’d never been born, and I pray for you to have love in your life, happiness and all that makes you feel whole, إن شاء الله
@@Baraborn They were not fooled. Think deeper than that. They were victims of the age of colonialism, which came centuries after Islam first arrived in Africa. Christianity is another matter but even that relationship was mutual until colonization of the continent (and the Transatlantic Slave Trade) grew considerably worse over time. The problem has always been modern imperialism and the way it was used to exploit the medieval, tribal, and/or divided societies of its time. This includes weaponizing and even betraying religion all in the name of profit...
And the mystery continues 😂✊🏿
On the same content on East Africa,do sth on the rebellion put up by the 'NANDI' as they faced the colonialists
Religion as a political tool/weapon in the hands of others will always get you in trouble...Unfortunately the people that brought you their "religion" also brought technology, writing, etc....Just part of the game .
The game would be more acceptable if those who brought the religion would take their knees off the neck of those they conquered. It is not a game when they continue to remain in control of your existence on this earth. And what makes you think technology and writing did not exist before the invasions?
@@sasbridgecloserstudent Of course...But I don't know too many instances in history where a group would give up an advantage over others....It doesn't happen now so I doubt it would happen then.
@@sasbridgecloserstudent And I NEVER STATED that we didn't have technology but what they had coupled with their ideas were so attractive to our people that it's still there so it speaks to what they had.
The colonisers did NOT bring writing to Africa. They did not bring any technology, in fact very much impeded the development of African technology. Genocide and colonialism is never, even remotely, justifiable
@@osz804 They brought guns, they brought medicine, they brought items and ideas from all over..No one is excusing or rationalizing criminality or exploitation but you know you're tripping 😏
For those that dont know: most religions 98% in Africa are monotheistic(the one GOD), way before Abraham. We dont convert or force our faiths on other tribes. Our languages are sacred to these beliefs. -Beni-Nzambi
Very disingenuous I just was a video that was talking about Bornu-Ottoman alliance that was based most likely due to religious affiliation which shows you that it’s a bit more complex than saying it was just religion being bad.
Just goes to show you...like the scripture said "there's nothing new under the sun!" BRICS...perfect example of what's to come!
I still believe Jesus is King bro. But I get you. I still love all your other videos.
Islam and christianity and two heads of the same beast.
I can understand with Christianity but I always wonder why so many of our prominent leaders adopted Islam.
Islam came first and been awhile to brainwashed people
I mean more recent leaders like Malcom X, Muhammad Ali, many members of the black panther party, The NOI etc
Cause they didn’t know any better either..
I assume it was due to influential African figures of the past being Muslim themselves. Or, perhaps, to offer an antithesis to the Christian-preaching ways of the West and white Americans. Either way, it was adopted as a means of empowerment and identity.
Because it was the religion of their people, no matter if brought by foreigners or not, it is so
Throw out these abrahmic religions 😂😂
Soo true!!! African viewing from barbados. Herero tribe in Namibia were killer in church while praying with closed eyes. Organized by germán presta and the germán soldiers 😮😮😮
Did the old faith protect the Africans from what happened?
We were good towards foreigners because we thought they were human and understand what it meant to be nice towards others
This sounds like the Persian when the Arabs came with Islam they accepted it but the Arabs had to leave has all foreign power because they understand that over time they would be look down on experience and history made them aware of this ie the Assyrian .Greece, Mongolian and others
We as Afrikans have our Indigenous Afrikan Spirituality. We and our Ancestors are Spiritual People who are in tune with Mother Earth and The Universe. I'm a Proud Afrikan who is returning to Afrikan Spirituality. The Religions brought by Invaders and Colonizers were made to keep us Docile, Lack Critical Thinking, And Hate ourselves and Culture. I just really hope that all my fellow Afrikans wake up and leave these Man Made religions for good and ever.