It’s very poignant and fitting that Prince Philip was the one who pointed out that Charles caused Diana the most pain. I like how he always stood up for her in the series. They were both royal outsiders, so Philip always sympathized with Diana.
Philip was also the product of a broken marriage. Although his parents never divorced, his father abandoned his wife and children for a married French actress.
@@AdaKizi248Jonathan Pryce. BRILLIANT actor. He also played Juan Peron in Evita back in 1996 with Madonna playing Eva Peron. He's also been in Miss Saigon on Broadway.
When Philip said “particularly by the person who caused her the most pain”, he wasn’t speaking of Diana. He was talking about the Queen. It was in response to the Queen saying that she “will not be told how or when to grieve or show emotion”.
@@lindajackson2382maybe not that exact wording but he probably felt it. He failed her as husband he and royal family threw in deep end and he didn’t help her but when it came to her death he knew she had been treated as one royals.
@@Pinkranger87 I really wonder. the way he treated her and suddenly he is the good guy? The Crown clearly was oriented to make the family look as good as possible while the outsiders were always crapped on. Just like in Real Life Diana was terribly treated by most of them.
Philip's point of view probably reflects what he himself experienced when he was a young boy and was forced to walk behind his sister's coffin in season 2. I believe he wanted to spare his grandchildren a similarly painful experience.
I felt bad for Diana’s family. They didn’t want the huge public funeral. And Philip was right, it’s a lot to put William and Harry through. Philip went through it when he lost his family.
Yup but also Charles was right aswell people wanted a public funeral you had to be there on those days in the streets people were a step away of going down with the monarchy if the Royal Family didnt give a state funeral with all the honors to Diana.
@@radicalxg8282 Charles was thinking about himself and his conscience, I suspect he was desperate to show the people he did love her because of all the hostility towards the RF when she died, at least Diana's brother called them out for the way they treated her at her funeral and they all had to sit there and take it!
@@EmiliusReturns Yeah thats what I read too that he said he would walk with them, but both William and Harry revealed in the documentary marking 20 years since her death that they didn't want to and were pressured into it but they didn't say by who, I remember it because Diana's brother Charles Spencer went mad when he heard because he was told the boys wanted to do that. He only found out when the documentary came out
As if there was anything _less_ important than ‘official’ status. The entire show amounted a documentary on the idiocy & irrelevance of static ‘official’ classifications and the myriad of ways that modernity has obliterated their stability.
I like the Queen and Prince Philip’s response here. While the PM and Prince Charles were concerned about public perceptions, the Queen and Prince Philip just wanted to be grandparents to two boys grieving for their mother.
In a way, @@robertisham5279 yes. We didn't see it then because the world was in complete shock at her untimely death. But looking back on it now, Her Majesty and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh were simply trying to handle a very awful situation--and it was the one moment when The Queen nearly dropped all pretense of state duty to simply console and care for her grandsons...one of whom will eventually become King.
@@robertisham5279 Charles knew the mood could turn on them and in turn kick them out. Charles was looking after the future of the monarchy here because it is his and William's future. Charles did the right thing here as he knows the Royal Family are public family. They have to be in public eye to keep their position in public life.
The Queen, Philip and the Queen Mother basically forced Charles to marry the little blond strumpet. Just because she was blond and mildly attractive doesn't make her a saint.
@@HarryPost-o9c She wasn't a saint, but neither was Charles. It bugs me that years after her death, she is still blamed for his atrocious behavior towards her. It's not her fault she loved him. It's not her fault Charles was distant and wanted the marriage to crumble. It's not entirely her fault that she gravatated towards those who did show her kindness and affaction. It's not her fault the institution failed her. Charles is at fault and is moreso at fault for how he treated her. She wasn't a strumpet. He was a non-starter from the get-go. Why should she get his blame?
@@HarryPost-o9c No they did not. He had proposed to quite a few eligible young ladies of good standing and they all turned him down. Diana’s sister was actually a young lady he dated in the past that turned him down, she did not want to marry an heir. His parents wanted him to marry a noble woman yes, he was 33 and not getting any younger, he chose to propose to Diana. She was going to back out from marrying Charles, her sisters talked her into going through with it.
@beecasssoutherngal8974 she should've told her sisters to f off. Easy for them to tell her she should marry him, when they weren't the ones that were going to marry him.
1:48 this was perhaps the first we've seen the queen put her family first rather than duty and the crown. I find it's interesting that both Elizabeth and Philip weren't great parents to their children, however with William and Henry, their grandchildren, it's completely different, they've shown to be better as grandparents
I think a lot of people end up being far better grandparents than they were parents. It comes of being older and wiser and of not having the crushing responsibility of raising children 24/7.
This is perfect. In real life, Charles did mourn for Diana and regret failing her in life. And this scene did a perfect job in capturing that grief and guilt as Charles wanted to hold a public funeral for his ex-wife and pointing out to his parents, mostly his mother, that they need to be the face of a nation for grieving someone who was loved by their entire country. He owned up to his mistakes even if not many people believed it, but I’m one of those people who do believe Charles did realize his mistakes.
I agree. I also find it sad that so many hate Charles for being unfaithful when Diana herself was unfaithful and even broke many marriages by sleeping with married men.
@@ellevillamor4454 I'm not defending Diana cheating too but Charles cheated first he had an affair with Camilla long before Diana cheated so he broke his marriage Vow's first
@@cfinley81r u shaming a dead when Charles left her alone so do u blame her for looking for comfort elsewhere she was all alone in the royal family trying to keep her Individuality while conforming to her royal image and feeling the pressure not living up to the royal family's standard's especially the late queen's standard's
@@MsJubjubbirdthey were more upset that she didn't make a public statement and didn't even order the flag at Buckingham Palace to be lowered to half mast. The public would have understood her staying at Balmoral if she'd just shown a little compassion in the first couple of days after Diana's death even if it was only for appearances sake. A simple statement in the papers could have been enough to stop people turning against the royals.
Which was a break from her history of putting the crown first. She made a lot of decisions earlier in her reign aimed at the good of the institution of the monarchy but which angered family members.
Whether he said anything like this or not, they were spot on with the idea behind Charles's comment that (part of) the public wanted to see the princes during the funeral. Egged on by the media, a loud proportion of the public demaded to see the Queen, never mind that she was trying to look after her bereaved grandsons, because they wanted to see them too. There were people who seemed to take Blair's "People's princess" comment literally. Diana belonged to them and if they wanted to see her sons, then they had a right to see her sons.
Charles was a blink away from the Queen saying, ‘Off with his head!’ She switched to her serious voice and inflections. Prince Philip’s subtle quip brought Charles back to the scope of his words. The subtle head nod from Prince Philip to Charles’s response seemed to say, ‘You know you messed up, so say the right thing.’ As the Queen changed her gaze to Philip, she simultaneously softened her dagger-like expression, all while retaining the seriousness of the mood. Brilliant acting!
She was stripped of her HRH status, yet moved the entire world and even prompted the Queen to break royal protocol bowing to her coffin as well as paying tribute to the mother of our future King.
The funeral was never for *Diana* though. We have no idea if she would have wanted that or a private service. The funeral was only ever for the public, for the royals, for literally everyone but her. She never had a chance to lay out what she wanted when she died. I hesitate to say she earned it, because it’s entirely possible that if she’d had a say, she would have wanted to die in peace and quiet, away from the cameras and tabloids that made her last years so miserable.
@@flowerfaerie8931 It was lovely that it was thus done ⚘From the procession , to Elton singing Candle in the Wind . Tony Blair quoting from Corinthians , to the Earl having a dig at The Firm . I'm glad it was public , just I really think she would have been chuffed ⚘❤
While I do agree with Phillip and Elizabeth, I can't help but to be inclined to side with Charles here. Diana //was// the Princess of Wales. Diana //is// the mother of Princes William (who, needless to say, is the heir to the throne) and Harry. While the Royal Family did come around and participate in the "spectacle" anyway, they should have given Diana the honors right from the very start. It was the honorable and dignified thing to do. Charles was right, they can't just simply choose to say "oh welp, that's a Spencer thing now" and be a private family when Diana BOOSTED the Royal Family's status PR-wise, even after she split with Charles.
Exactly and for him to be lecturing Elizabeth about being mother to the nation is disgusting and hypocritical he sure as hell wasn’t acting like a father to his sons when he was having an affair with Camilla divorced Diana so he could be with Camilla and somehow had the audacity to expect his sons to accept respect and be okay with him marrying Camilla and expect them to love respect accept and want to be around her
People are praising them for calling Charles out here but the interesting thing that often happens in life as it does here in the scene is that he's essentially being told "you cant try tog et it right now because you got it wrong before".
In the moment when Philip said that Charles was like " Damn dad that hurt , but your not wrong, I was a shitty husband . She knew I didn't love her and that she felt like well an inconvenience and I reminder her about it everyday and when she finally found someone who loved her for her it got her killed , your right I have no room to say how others should treat her when I was the main person who treated her like shit".
I tend to agree that it was a Spencer family matter as Diana was no longer an HRH. It was Charles who divorced her and made his choice. The Spencer family would be in charge in having a public funeral service
It was an absolutely beautifull service ❤😢 Befitting who should have been Queen ⚘ loved by millions around the world and her family layed her to rest at the Family home ❤
I think everyone had a valid point in this matter. Charles and Tony Blair was right in that the public needed and excepted a grand funeral for Diana, so that they could say goodbye to her. But on the other hand I can understand both the Spencer family's wish for a private ceremony, as well as Elizabeth and Phillip's point of view, that they wanted to do what was best for William and Harry and not put them through such a public display. But as Charles points out in this clip, they can't have it both ways.
The late Prince Philip always pointed out his son's inadequacy and hypocrisy in this context, even writing numerous letters to Diana expressing his utter disbelief at the prospect of leaving her for Camilla.. At least the late Queen is resting comfortably in her grave knowing that the lineage of Windsor is not tied to Alice Keppel, a notorious and damned mistress who happens to be the great great grandmother of Camilla. Charles egregiously let Diana down during her lifetime, however, she is and will always be the the people's princess and personally the legitimate queen in my heart ❤
@@marywise7661 She didn't give birth to a prince, hence she is just a blip and a flash in a pan moment type of a thing, I am quite curious if she ever tells her book club members and grandchildren about Alice Keppel, great values indeed.
Elizabeth is damned for not being a caring mother to Charles because she was the Queen. But when she wants to be a Grandma to William and Harry she must be Queen. Charles is pompous in regards to his caring for Diana and the boys on this. He loved Camelia firstly. He did let Diana down. The funerel was more of an apology to Diana. She deserved it, but the boys deserved the closeness of family too
It HAD to be a large public affair so that the public , who loved her so ❤ , could pay their respects . Her death and funeral glaringly exposed the hypocrisy of that strange family
@chateaupig826 the public had a parasocial relationship to her. They didn't know her, they felt they did. Her family was forced The media were getting heat for how she died and their role in it. Rightly so! They made paparazzi bold woth the money they paid for photos of her. That's why they chased the car that fatefilled night. Turned the public ire off their industry And on to the Queen, a grandmother who was shielding Diana's sons, her grandsons letting them grieve their mother in private. While the public got the Funeral they saw as fitting. It hurt her beloved sons. To be so young and walk all that way behind the coffin to be asked to put their grief aside to help the public mourn, Harry has spoken about it in Spare, I don't know of we will hear from William on his experience and the impact it had. All because the public demanded to see the boys. Even now the public feel they have more ownership over Diana then her own sons. when William's opinion on his mother is reported and doesn't match the public perception of Diana, the hate he gets. Look at the vitriolic replies to Harry speaking about his own mother by media and the public. Ppl say he doesn't have the right to speak about her loss or life even after so many years of being silenced. They get hate all while the media use her name to compare their Prince's wife's to their mother, write books on Diana, do interviews about her as ex staff drip fed the public her private life and secrets and make decade long careers off Diana's name. It's the dark side of Parasocial relationship the media can use her name her own sons can, but only if it meets the public approval else they are attacked.
The irony and hypocrisy is that both the Queen and Prince Phillip were the reason Charles was an emotional mess forced into marriage with another emotional mess created by selfish parents. It was a recipe for disaster to put two people together who had Mummy and Daddy issues and then to act pious and condescending about the results of such a horrible mismatch makes me roll my eyes. Phillip especially was brutal towards Charles in his earlier years and Elizabeth was certainly willing to play Mother of the Nation when it suited her and hide when that was more convenient than facing the truth about her own decisions. They created Charles, they molded him, and then they broke him repeatedly in different but equally devastating ways. Yes as an adult he knew what was right and what was wrong but the path to Hell is always smoothest so he did what was expected of him and the consequences were so dire. If only Diana had married him ten years later at 29 instead of 19... If only...
@@DarlingNikki2 So true. They were in an arranged marriage, and it was very common for a royal to, after he had fulfilled his marital duties, look for real love elsewhere. If only Diana had known what she was saying yes to. That this marriage was not supposed to be for love. Then she might have had different expectations and it wouldn't have been so hard on her and it wouldn't have turned in such a mess. Or... if only they all had let Charles marry Camilla in the first place... That was not possible at the time because of royal reasons, but that wasn't Charles' fault. Charles was as much of a victim of the whole situation as Diana was. And the situation was created by his ancestors, including his parents.
@@robertisham5279 Thank you. I'm a fan, if you will, of the late Diana and deeply mourned her passing as much as anyone else who'd never actually met her. I came to understand more of her and Charles as I got older and realized they were both victims of that ancient and often ridiculous system known as royalty. I truly believe in the end he did love her as the mother of his children and he did do right by her in death. It may not seem much to some but I thought his actions after her death were touching and also warranted in spite of what his parents thought.
I remember correctly in the documentary, it was the Prime Minister that persuaded the Queen to go public because if she didn’t, it might have been the end of the Monarchy, that's how much the people loved her and they were hurting, it was said it was the first the people were angry at the Queen when she refused and wanted to stay in Balmoral with William and Harry. Goodbye England's rose and the people's princess!!
You are right is was and he is also the one who coined the phrase the Peoples Princess. There were letters and pictures amongst all those flowers at Buckingham Palace, blaming the Royal family for her death. It was the Queens lowest approval rating during her entire reign. The approval rating, the Prime Minister who I think was Tony Blair and the articles in every newspaper bashing the Royal Family and their treatment of Diana both in life and death really backed the Queen into a corner where she had no choice but to address the British people.
Prince Philip absolutely nailed it in pointing out what a hypocrite Charles is. He did favor his daughter-in-law over his own son. Charles failed Diana in both life and death. He is such a small, small man.
Charles is a great, great man. He insisted on getting the wife he wanted, and got her. To hell with Diana, her immaturity, and arranged marriages in general.
@@junipervip681 Fortunately, you have no power to send somebody to hell 🤬😡😝 Attention to your words... your thoughts... they're certainly part of you. What a shame !!!!
@@liegegoncalvesteixeira2080 Fortunate for who, exactly? For those who hate marriage so much, they would encourage public displays of an obviously mismatched, unhappy marriage in order to, what, exactly? Convince youth to forsake marriage as an inevitable path to certain misery? You would be far better off to direct your sanctimonious emotions to gratitude to our deserved one true Queen Camilla.
@@junipervip681Having a mistress as a consort is embarrassing to the nation, as if "Camillagate" was not enough.. Again she is a descendant of Alice Keppel, I cannot wait until Catherine becomes Queen consort wearing the sapphire ring belonging to Diana 💙
@@junipervip681 so wearing one's heart on your sleeve is a huge crime? I get it that Camilla is Charles' true love, but they had absolutely no right to build their happiness over Diana's unhappiness.
Surely it's not possible to be able to eavesdrop so easily, so clearly in a royal residence. There'd be no privacy when staff is walking down the hallway...
Prince Philip bluntly spoke the truth, nobody wanted Diana out of the marriage, except for petulant Charles, if he had an iota of respect to the union he wouldn't have invited Camilla wearing white to the wedding in the first place..An honorable man cherishes his marital vows and bids farewell to any past relationship, Diana's life was cut short but it is God's will that her memory is still alive given the fact that she revolutioned the monarchy in so many ways making her the people's princess and queen of my heart❤
Yeah, they should have stayed unhappily married for the rest of their lives. Now *that* would have been an excellent message for the youth of the nation to see. Barf. To hell with immature Diana. God Save King Charles and Queen Camilla!
@@junipervip681Charles needs a babysitter for life and got one, Diana's shadow will always loom larger over these two, I am also curious if Camilla ever tells her book club and grandchildren about her great great grandmother Alice Keppel , great values indeed.
@@shikazh5139 Diana needed men, lots of men, and boy, did she get them. Great values indeed. Long live King Charles and Queen Camilla, the happiest image of marriage there is today!
@@junipervip681 Quit disrespecting the memory of the mother and grandmother of our future kings. Camilla is a mere consort who didn't give birth to a prince or princess, William's time is coming and everyone will remember Diana ever more fondly ❤️
@@shikazh5139 Start respecting our one true Queen Consort, the chosen, beloved wife of our King Charles. Diana never deserved to be queen and would have made our King miserable with her self-centered immaturity. Long live our wonderful King Charles and Queen Camilla!
This is honestly what is sad. Charles and Diana were in good terms when they separated. When they were together, it was deeply frustrating to be forced to be happy when they weren't. Now that he was with Camilla and had room to be happy, he was able to give more credit to Diana and be more civil. Had she lived longer, they would've had more better years as friends than years as a scornful couple.
some people are simply better as friends and co-parents than married, neither of them could provide for each other what they needed, they just weren't compatible, and once they both found stability and compatibility with someone else, they were both happier and able to interact with each other on more emotionally secure footing.
Regardless of historical accuracy, this scene is kind of brilliant. When the Queen & King are standing up for Diana and expressing themselves most forcefully, William isn't there. Only does he come in after and hear Charles sounding cold (talking about how William must act like a king, how they don't understand why people liked Diana & how the PM says a public funeral is necessary) & the Queen & King talking about the still-emotional yet regal pragmatics of it all. He did hear the part about how his father caused her the most pain - yet Charles made salient points about it all. Both sides showed emotion and coldness throughout the conversation. It would have been good for him to hear all of it, from both sides, but alas.
Wooooo, the Duke of Edinburgh with that royal clapback!!! I hollered when I first saw it. Charles deserved ALL of that smoke, lol! 🤣🤣🤣 I hope Philip roasted Charles like that in real life.
Charles was a victim of protocol, traditions, and an arranged marriage by his own parents (among others). And now that it all turned out to be mess, those same parents are shaming Charles for first doing his duty and then following his heart... Then what was he supposed to do? If they had allowed him to marry Camilla in the first place, it wouldn't have turned out this way.
Perhaps if Phillip had done his parenting duties better, Charles would have turned out a better and more emotionally secure man. The Duke of Edinburgh might be great at clapbacks but if he had been half as good in his parenting, maybe things would have gone better.
I'm surprised that here Philip is portrayed as disregarding what the public wanted or expected from the RF when in a previous season he and Elizabeth quarreled over her coronation. Philip said the people would view a lavish coronation as an affront during a time of economic deprivation and that the hostility that bred might lead to the monarchy being overthrown at a later date. He reminded Elizabeth that his own royal family in Greece had been overthrown and that he had to leave the country in an orange crate. Yet here he is acting as if it doesn't matter how the public would view their decision to grieve privately.
No, the response from Queen came very late n probably it came only due to the out pouring of love by public. At that time almost everbody thought they were involved in her death. Diana the true Queen of hearts. May she rest in peace.Amen
"We all wanted her to remain in this family" yeah, but you all had a funny way of showing it. You wanted her physically there, but that was where it ended. No one had the balls to take her side and shut Charles down to stop making her life hell.
Because Charles did what was expected of him. He accepted this bride that was arranged for him, even though he loved someone else, he produced an heir and a spare, and that was all they could ask of him. The biggest mistake was not informing Diana about the fact that this marriage was not out of love. She naively thought it was. That's why it was so hard on her when it turned out it wasn't. If she had known, they probably could have made it work, both having lovers. Then she wouldn't have turned into a mental wreck and Charles wouldn't have been the bad guy.
I can honestly see both sides of this argument. Charles is right about the fact that the family keeps trying to be both private and public, even though it almost never works out, and that it won’t look good if the people notice the royal family not doing anything in response to Diane’s death. At the same time, The Queen and Philip are also right about the fact that they should honor the wishes of the Spencer family, since Diane and Charles were already divorced. They also are right about the fact that William and Harry should not be forced to mourn in public, and that Charles caused Diane the most pain, though Charles does own up to his mistakes.
Charles and Tony Blair were more interested in public opinion whereas the Queen and Prince Philip were more concerned with William and Harry. And Philip wasn’t wrong, if Charles hadn’t gotten his way in terms of getting a divorce, she wouldn’t have been with Dodi in Paris
I found it curious that, at the point when the Queen needed to be mother to the nation, she decided that family came first. All the time before, it was her duty as Queen that was prioritised over all else. Just because she seemed to resent Diana.
Oh dear. I never liked the backlash towards Queen Elizabeth in this matter. Diana was no longer a Royal. She was a grandmother to two sad, grieving grandsons. The fact nobody seemed to get that. Made me mad. Was it truly wrong for them to consider them first. Take some private time for the family. One way, or another her funeral would always have been a Royal one. There was no way around it. But really. The Spencer family should have been the ones that had it. King Charles ( Then Prince) wanted the divorce. NOT his parents. He did. I like how the series pointed that out. His hypocrisy.
I, too, continue to be appalled that Her Majesty was forced to participate in such a vulgar, public display of crass emotion that was the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales, especially since Diana was no longer a part of the Royal Family. It may sound callous, but that is simply the truth. Charles treated Diana abominably throughout their marriage, took advantage of her youth and inexperience, and grew increasingly jealous as her popularity eclipsed his. Charles ran to the arms of the wretched and duplicitous Camilla Parker-Bowles to cry over his lot in life when he should have "manned up" and accepted his duties as husband to Diana. It was horrible to see the young Princes, William and Harry, have to participate in that sad spectacle. It was horrible to see Her Majesty be forced to participate in that sad spectacle. The whole affair was abominable.
I don’t understand the conjectured mentality of the Queen in this situation. Even if she were a fictional, rather than fictionalized, character. All through the series, she forces everyone to her will in the name of the Crown. Showing no mercy. I don’t think her softness towards her grandsons here rings true.
With all respect to the late HRH Diana. Her death came at the wrong time (not that there would have ever been a good one) for Charles (and Camilla)....and they all knew it. Also throwing the late queen into a dilemma of how to respond and what the public would want from 'all top tiers' of the royal family. Many believe that it would take enormous indifference, but I believe that if the late queen would not have returned to london until post diana's funeral this could have, caused massive issues in parliament and even triggered official and public critical debate of the british monarchy's survival/end. And Charles knew that.
@@boomds5602 The people loved Diana and they expected "their Queen" to show some respect for the mother of her grandsons. She made the worst mistake of her reign hiding too long at Balmoral pretending to "protect" the boys.
@@boomds5602 Obviously absolutely nothing. Not if you are taking the time out of 'your' day to sit and watch such programmes. (isn't that where the 'dreaded' Mrs Markle sat and studied her 'secret desire' ...and what she got completely wrong!). Yes...absolutely nothing.
The way they rub in to Charles that he could no longer take back what he lost and how he messed up his marriage with Diana. A subtle way of telling him how much of a hypocrite he is.
I found this scene very hurtful for Charles. His parents were quite absent in his own upbringing, not meeting his emotional needs as a child, with Philip asking him to be rigid and disciplined and the queen not being very motherly either and hammering on royal duties. And now, when Charles is trying to focus on what he thinks must be done as a public figure, doing royal duties, his parents scoff him for not being mindfull of his childrens feelings. It seems a bit hypocritical and, once again, a misreading of Philip and Elizabeth of their son.
“I’m more concerned about being a grandmother” uhhh then why are the boys running amok around a castle and you still doing queen things?! And they really like to overlook that THEY are Charles’ parents and what he does is largely cause how they raised him.
American - ignorant, unwanted opinion about something America really can’t understand. Go away, do some research. Find out some facts, then present them. You are rude, sir. Rude.
American - ignorant, unwanted opinion about something America really can’t understand. Go away, do some research. Find out some facts, then present them. You are rude, sir. Rude.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at. From all accounts, the queen did everything she could for William and Harry while at Balmoral and it’s why she fought so hard against any public action so that the two grandsons could grieve in private. One royal expert said it was the first time in her reign that she put family ahead of duty. This entire scene is fictional, as is William running away. All reports indicate that the queen did everything she could to ensure the boys didn’t see or hear any discussion about their mother.
He finally admitted after she passed on and left us in this world ..(her boys too especially)😢..and most definitely certainly cried to his old mistress during his wife’s tragic accident and funeral afterward..camilla was probably terrified of how much the public loved her as she was hiding during that tragic time ..as she should!
Philip was 100% right. Diana's divorce with Charles was something the latter had been expecting for a very long time so now he can't complain she can't have a proper funeral as part of the royal family because she was no longer part of it, however, it is true the queen and Philip did not want that for Diana and her children
Divorce made Princess Diana no less the mother of Prince William, the future King of England. She will always be so and deserves appropriate treatment for that in life, in death, and for all time. Claiming it was purely a Spencer family matter was matter-of-fact and merely placing her as a broodmare for the crown and nothing more. That was despicable and a most horrid sentiment to be uttered by Prince Philip and supported by the Queen. It should have never been so much as a thought within their heads to try to not grant her a state funeral! Rather, their priority was to unwaveringly do their absolute best for Princess Diana, her sons, and for the Spencer family. It's astonishing and unfathomable to know this happened if it's true.
l have always thought the Queen was cold and uncaring and l saw how she behaved during the week before Dianas funeral she really screwed up during that time and Charles caused Dianas pain and she didnt care or help
I believe Elizabeth and Phillip's argument is very poor, and a last ditched effort to refuse a state funeral to Diana. If Diana died while she was still Princess of Wales and the future Queen of the United Kingdom, there would have been a state funeral and both William and Harry would not have been spared of walking behind their mother's coffin by their grandmother.
The one time in the series where I can sympathize with both parties equally. Charles is to blame for causing all this grief and the family did deserve to mourn in their own way, but with how beloved Diana was to the world, it was important to show just how important she was to people and so deserved to be remembered publicly. A very tough decision all around.
sad that it took losing Diana so prematurely for Charles and his family to appreciate her and how the people loved her, when they saw all the attention she got in life as her trying to outdo them.
Weird they portrayed Charles so… passionate in a positive way about making Diana’s funeral a state occasion. Suddenly she means something to him. One would think he’d be the first to wash his hand off this matter & quietly dance on her coffin & grave now that he could boink his mistress without repercussions.
They had nearly a decade of marriage and two children together. There was some love, even if they weren't in love. I'm sure he was sad for his children too.
Personally I'm not a fan of the Royal family generally Charles or Diana and I never quite got the relationship that we in the UK had with her or them more broadly. However, I would suggest Charles here has the measured position. The public needed to say goodbye there really was no other option than a ceremonial funeral. Now I totally get that her family (and by that I mean the Spencer's) wanted a small private funeral, I can't even start to imagine how uncomfortable it must have been for them
That was the worse decision ever letting those poor boys walk behind their mother's coffin. They were hurting 😢and needed their space and primacy. If l would be the queen l would of held them close to me at all times, they needed loving support. I am certain that funeral day them following their mother's coffin is instilled in them forever and l guarantee it was not something Diana would agree on. It was just a big show to the world but no consideration to their state of mind and broken hearts. Just heartbreaking to watch.😢
Bullshit. They just needed someone from the family to reclaim that body. Make sure everything was as it should be. Nod, nod, wink, wink. Even if the funeral was about public image, they would’ve just had an elaborate funeral with all of them attending. But her ex husband taking custody of her body when she had a brother or any number of family, is highly suspicious. Like Phillip said, he didn’t think that divorce would turn out well for her. Not her and Charles, just her.
(If this conversation actually even happened) Charles was smart enough to acknowledge that the Royals had to come to terms with the fact that Diana, despite her faults, was BELOVED by the people of Britian and the world. He knew that they really had no choice and would have to publicly honor Diana. The mood of the people dramatically changed when the Royal family permitted the grand funeral to take place. I think Diana taught them a very valuable lesson.....that the Royal family, in this modern day, still exists because the people allow it. Charles knew this was an act of self preservation for the family as much as it was from guilt of how he was as a husband.
Despite his many failings Charles did seem to figure out what the UK wants out of the monarchy. A grandmotherly or grandfatherly figure who has the dignity and kindness that one should gain by living a full life and can reassure the nation in times of crisis because they lived through times like these before.
Charles and Blair, Thank God, finally got through to the Queen who was cold and awful about her death. Charles stood up to his mother. Then the boys WERE used as a spectacle. Her reign was only saved because of the sweet compassion and deep grief of the British people.
The words said on both sides are compassionate and understandable. I just don’t believe that this is anywhere near how it went down. Previous and subsequent words and actions from the real life people depicted just do not support it. Her death made very clear how that family operates.
It’s interesting how the characters change between the series Matt Smith’s Philip sees the character chafing at his role in Elizabeth’s shadow whereas later seasons see him settled into his stride as her right hand man O’Connor’s Charles is petulant and self centred while later versions see him introspective and willing to accept responsibility
2:02 you're absolutely right, Charles did cause Diana the most pain, all because he loves Camilla more than he ever loved Diana, which he should feel a world of shame and guilt for until the day he dies!
It’s very poignant and fitting that Prince Philip was the one who pointed out that Charles caused Diana the most pain. I like how he always stood up for her in the series. They were both royal outsiders, so Philip always sympathized with Diana.
And it was actually the same in real life as well, not just made up for the show.
@@reinadeelsur Really? I'm glad to hear it - bravo Philip. (And bravo to the actor who's playing him here.)
Philip was also the product of a broken marriage. Although his parents never divorced, his father abandoned his wife and children for a married French actress.
@@AdaKizi248Jonathan Pryce. BRILLIANT actor. He also played Juan Peron in Evita back in 1996 with Madonna playing Eva Peron. He's also been in Miss Saigon on Broadway.
When Philip said “particularly by the person who caused her the most pain”, he wasn’t speaking of Diana. He was talking about the Queen. It was in response to the Queen saying that she “will not be told how or when to grieve or show emotion”.
"i let her down in life but i wont let her down in death". What a line. The writting of this show is suberb
Really cannot believe Charles ever said that in REAL LIFE!
@@lindajackson2382maybe not that exact wording but he probably felt it. He failed her as husband he and royal family threw in deep end and he didn’t help her but when it came to her death he knew she had been treated as one royals.
@@Pinkranger87 I really wonder. the way he treated her and suddenly he is the good guy? The Crown clearly was oriented to make the family look as good as possible while the outsiders were always crapped on. Just like in Real Life Diana was terribly treated by most of them.
Philip's point of view probably reflects what he himself experienced when he was a young boy and was forced to walk behind his sister's coffin in season 2. I believe he wanted to spare his grandchildren a similarly painful experience.
I just love how Philip went from feeling unhappy and trapped in her marriage and the family to being the voice of reason of the royal family
@@nicolasdiez7688 Because Phillip knew what it was like to be an outsider
I felt bad for Diana’s family. They didn’t want the huge public funeral. And Philip was right, it’s a lot to put William and Harry through. Philip went through it when he lost his family.
Yup but also Charles was right aswell people wanted a public funeral you had to be there on those days in the streets people were a step away of going down with the monarchy if the Royal Family didnt give a state funeral with all the honors to Diana.
@@radicalxg8282 Charles was thinking about himself and his conscience, I suspect he was desperate to show the people he did love her because of all the hostility towards the RF when she died, at least Diana's brother called them out for the way they treated her at her funeral and they all had to sit there and take it!
Wasn’t it Philip’s idea to have the boys walk behind her casket in real life?
@@KAMILLE731 The only thing I've read about real life was that Philip told the boys "if you walk, I'll walk with you."
@@EmiliusReturns Yeah thats what I read too that he said he would walk with them, but both William and Harry revealed in the documentary marking 20 years since her death that they didn't want to and were pressured into it but they didn't say by who, I remember it because Diana's brother Charles Spencer went mad when he heard because he was told the boys wanted to do that. He only found out when the documentary came out
Though Diana was no longer Elizabeth's daughter-in-law, she was still the mother of her grandsons. She was still family.
Still it doesn’t make her an official member of the family.
She's the mother of the future king of England... @@fahimfaisalmahir567
As if there was anything _less_ important than ‘official’ status. The entire show amounted a documentary on the idiocy & irrelevance of static ‘official’ classifications and the myriad of ways that modernity has obliterated their stability.
I like the Queen and Prince Philip’s response here. While the PM and Prince Charles were concerned about public perceptions, the Queen and Prince Philip just wanted to be grandparents to two boys grieving for their mother.
Did this happen in real life?
In a way, @@robertisham5279 yes. We didn't see it then because the world was in complete shock at her untimely death. But looking back on it now, Her Majesty and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh were simply trying to handle a very awful situation--and it was the one moment when The Queen nearly dropped all pretense of state duty to simply console and care for her grandsons...one of whom will eventually become King.
@@ErickGainesSanders And Charles was just concerned about public perceptions?
You interpret this with too much sympathy. I see it as Liz wanting a nice, tidy excuse not to really care.
@@robertisham5279 Charles knew the mood could turn on them and in turn kick them out. Charles was looking after the future of the monarchy here because it is his and William's future. Charles did the right thing here as he knows the Royal Family are public family. They have to be in public eye to keep their position in public life.
“Particularly by the person who caused her the most pain” I KNOW THATS RIGHT!
The Queen, Philip and the Queen Mother basically forced Charles to marry the little blond strumpet. Just because she was blond and mildly attractive doesn't make her a saint.
@@HarryPost-o9c She wasn't a saint, but neither was Charles. It bugs me that years after her death, she is still blamed for his atrocious behavior towards her. It's not her fault she loved him. It's not her fault Charles was distant and wanted the marriage to crumble. It's not entirely her fault that she gravatated towards those who did show her kindness and affaction. It's not her fault the institution failed her.
Charles is at fault and is moreso at fault for how he treated her. She wasn't a strumpet. He was a non-starter from the get-go. Why should she get his blame?
@@HarryPost-o9c No they did not. He had proposed to quite a few eligible young ladies of good standing and they all turned him down. Diana’s sister was actually a young lady he dated in the past that turned him down, she did not want to marry an heir. His parents wanted him to marry a noble woman yes, he was 33 and not getting any younger, he chose to propose to Diana. She was going to back out from marrying Charles, her sisters talked her into going through with it.
@beecasssoutherngal8974 she should've told her sisters to f off. Easy for them to tell her she should marry him, when they weren't the ones that were going to marry him.
1:48 this was perhaps the first we've seen the queen put her family first rather than duty and the crown. I find it's interesting that both Elizabeth and Philip weren't great parents to their children, however with William and Henry, their grandchildren, it's completely different, they've shown to be better as grandparents
I think a lot of people end up being far better grandparents than they were parents. It comes of being older and wiser and of not having the crushing responsibility of raising children 24/7.
Someone said once I believe that the House of Windsor makes better grandparents then parents
It’s often the way at times, grandparents fix the mistakes they made with their children through their grandchildren
This is perfect. In real life, Charles did mourn for Diana and regret failing her in life. And this scene did a perfect job in capturing that grief and guilt as Charles wanted to hold a public funeral for his ex-wife and pointing out to his parents, mostly his mother, that they need to be the face of a nation for grieving someone who was loved by their entire country. He owned up to his mistakes even if not many people believed it, but I’m one of those people who do believe Charles did realize his mistakes.
I agree. I also find it sad that so many hate Charles for being unfaithful when Diana herself was unfaithful and even broke many marriages by sleeping with married men.
@@ellevillamor4454 I'm not defending Diana cheating too but Charles cheated first he had an affair with Camilla long before Diana cheated so he broke his marriage Vow's first
@ellevillamor4454 and you will not convince me Harry is Charles' son. At least Charles cheated with ONE WOMAN.
@@JohnathanHouston-uq6hyThey didn't call Diana's house the "revolving door" for nothing.
@@cfinley81r u shaming a dead when Charles left her alone so do u blame her for looking for comfort elsewhere she was all alone in the royal family trying to keep her Individuality while conforming to her royal image and feeling the pressure not living up to the royal family's standard's especially the late queen's standard's
"I admit I let her down in life, but I won't let her down in death" brilliant acting.
2:53 William putting back his headphones listening to music, he’s like “I’ve heard enough, I’m going out for a walk”.
He actually ran away in this episode.
@@joshuaplotkin8826 But he’s still in the vicinity of Balmoral Castle, right?
@joshuaplotkin, he went on a very long walk of solitude and mourning on the grounds of the castle which is hundreds and hundreds of acres.
@@joshuaplotkin8826 yeah his the type of rich that you can run away and still be in the vincinity of his home.
@@j.j.912345,000 acres if I recall correctly
She left 2 sons which makes her still part if the family
She was putting being a grandmother first and a monarch second now that's why I loved the Queen
Yep
It was very upsetting to me when she was criticized for it.
@@elainesoto1567 same I very upset
But the public scolded her for it. There was a lot of criticism leveled at her for being aloof over the death of Diana and disappearing
@@MsJubjubbirdthey were more upset that she didn't make a public statement and didn't even order the flag at Buckingham Palace to be lowered to half mast. The public would have understood her staying at Balmoral if she'd just shown a little compassion in the first couple of days after Diana's death even if it was only for appearances sake. A simple statement in the papers could have been enough to stop people turning against the royals.
Which was a break from her history of putting the crown first. She made a lot of decisions earlier in her reign aimed at the good of the institution of the monarchy but which angered family members.
00:15 Philip is so fed up with Charles
Whether he said anything like this or not, they were spot on with the idea behind Charles's comment that (part of) the public wanted to see the princes during the funeral. Egged on by the media, a loud proportion of the public demaded to see the Queen, never mind that she was trying to look after her bereaved grandsons, because they wanted to see them too. There were people who seemed to take Blair's "People's princess" comment literally. Diana belonged to them and if they wanted to see her sons, then they had a right to see her sons.
Charles was a blink away from the Queen saying, ‘Off with his head!’ She switched to her serious voice and inflections. Prince Philip’s subtle quip brought Charles back to the scope of his words. The subtle head nod from Prince Philip to Charles’s response seemed to say, ‘You know you messed up, so say the right thing.’ As the Queen changed her gaze to Philip, she simultaneously softened her dagger-like expression, all while retaining the seriousness of the mood. Brilliant acting!
2:17 "I let her down in life" YOU'RE GOD**MN RIGHT YOU DID!!!
As they say "Heavy is the head that wears the crown" but the crown must always win, and the wearer takes the toll.
She deserved that public funeral and is probably the one person who earned it and didn’t get it just for her formal title. She was loved
She was stripped of her HRH status, yet moved the entire world and even prompted the Queen to break royal protocol bowing to her coffin as well as paying tribute to the mother of our future King.
Aside from the death of my father , it was the saddest thing I ever saw 😭😭😭💔RIP, Queen of Hearts⚘
The funeral was never for *Diana* though. We have no idea if she would have wanted that or a private service. The funeral was only ever for the public, for the royals, for literally everyone but her. She never had a chance to lay out what she wanted when she died. I hesitate to say she earned it, because it’s entirely possible that if she’d had a say, she would have wanted to die in peace and quiet, away from the cameras and tabloids that made her last years so miserable.
@@flowerfaerie8931 It was lovely that it was thus done ⚘From the procession , to Elton singing Candle in the Wind . Tony Blair quoting from Corinthians , to the Earl having a dig at The Firm .
I'm glad it was public , just I really think she would have been chuffed ⚘❤
well she didnt, poor girl. She died in a foreign hospital after frantic attempt to revive her@@flowerfaerie8931
I agree with Phillip and Elizabeth’s point you insisted on divorce
While I do agree with Phillip and Elizabeth, I can't help but to be inclined to side with Charles here.
Diana //was// the Princess of Wales. Diana //is// the mother of Princes William (who, needless to say, is the heir to the throne) and Harry. While the Royal Family did come around and participate in the "spectacle" anyway, they should have given Diana the honors right from the very start. It was the honorable and dignified thing to do. Charles was right, they can't just simply choose to say "oh welp, that's a Spencer thing now" and be a private family when Diana BOOSTED the Royal Family's status PR-wise, even after she split with Charles.
Exactly and for him to be lecturing Elizabeth about being mother to the nation is disgusting and hypocritical he sure as hell wasn’t acting like a father to his sons when he was having an affair with Camilla divorced Diana so he could be with Camilla and somehow had the audacity to expect his sons to accept respect and be okay with him marrying Camilla and expect them to love respect accept and want to be around her
People are praising them for calling Charles out here but the interesting thing that often happens in life as it does here in the scene is that he's essentially being told "you cant try tog et it right now because you got it wrong before".
They both have a point.
In the moment when Philip said that Charles was like " Damn dad that hurt , but your not wrong, I was a shitty husband . She knew I didn't love her and that she felt like well an inconvenience and I reminder her about it everyday and when she finally found someone who loved her for her it got her killed , your right I have no room to say how others should treat her when I was the main person who treated her like shit".
01:44 .. Her eyes are saying " How dare you talking like that to me son " .. She was mad
I tend to agree that it was a Spencer family matter as Diana was no longer an HRH. It was Charles who divorced her and made his choice. The Spencer family would be in charge in having a public funeral service
It was an absolutely beautifull service ❤😢
Befitting who should have been Queen ⚘ loved by millions around the world
and her family layed her to rest at the Family home ❤
It was also an investment in public approval
As the mother of a future king, it was completely fitting that she had a royal funeral.
@ladyv5655 Yup. It doesn't look good for the royal family not having a funeral for the mother of the future monarch, which is now the next one.
The Queen and Prince Phillip were so on point
I think everyone had a valid point in this matter. Charles and Tony Blair was right in that the public needed and excepted a grand funeral for Diana, so that they could say goodbye to her.
But on the other hand I can understand both the Spencer family's wish for a private ceremony, as well as Elizabeth and Phillip's point of view, that they wanted to do what was best for William and Harry and not put them through such a public display. But as Charles points out in this clip, they can't have it both ways.
The late Prince Philip always pointed out his son's inadequacy and hypocrisy in this context, even writing numerous letters to Diana expressing his utter disbelief at the prospect of leaving her for Camilla.. At least the late Queen is resting comfortably in her grave knowing that the lineage of Windsor is not tied to Alice Keppel, a notorious and damned mistress who happens to be the great great grandmother of Camilla.
Charles egregiously let Diana down during her lifetime, however, she is and will always be the the people's princess and personally the legitimate queen in my heart ❤
Agreed
But Diana died over 25 years ago! “The People’s Princess”? That sounds so Communist- like “The People’s Republic of China”!
but the lineage of windsor is tied to alice keppel since she was camillas great great grandmother and camilla is now queen consort
@@marywise7661 She didn't give birth to a prince, hence she is just a blip and a flash in a pan moment type of a thing, I am quite curious if she ever tells her book club members and grandchildren about Alice Keppel, great values indeed.
@@marywise7661 The idea was related to blood 🩸🧬
No heirs descendant from such women...
Elizabeth is damned for not being a caring mother to Charles because she was the Queen. But when she wants to be a Grandma to William and Harry she must be Queen. Charles is pompous in regards to his caring for Diana and the boys on this. He loved Camelia firstly. He did let Diana down. The funerel was more of an apology to Diana. She deserved it, but the boys deserved the closeness of family too
Well said.
It HAD to be a large public affair so that the public , who loved her so ❤ , could pay their respects .
Her death and funeral glaringly exposed the hypocrisy of that strange family
@chateaupig826 the public had a parasocial relationship to her.
They didn't know her, they felt they did.
Her family was forced
The media were getting heat for how she died and their role in it. Rightly so! They made paparazzi bold woth the money they paid for photos of her. That's why they chased the car that fatefilled night.
Turned the public ire off their industry
And on to the Queen, a grandmother who was shielding Diana's sons, her grandsons letting them grieve their mother in private.
While the public got the Funeral they saw as fitting.
It hurt her beloved sons.
To be so young and walk all that way behind the coffin to be asked to put their grief aside to help the public mourn, Harry has spoken about it in Spare, I don't know of we will hear from William on his experience and the impact it had.
All because the public demanded to see the boys.
Even now the public feel they have more ownership over Diana then her own sons.
when William's opinion on his mother is reported and doesn't match the public perception of Diana, the hate he gets.
Look at the vitriolic replies to Harry speaking about his own mother by media and the public.
Ppl say he doesn't have the right to speak about her loss or life even after so many years of being silenced.
They get hate all while the media use her name to compare their Prince's wife's to their mother, write books on Diana, do interviews about her as ex staff drip fed the public her private life and secrets and make decade long careers off Diana's name.
It's the dark side of Parasocial relationship the media can use her name her own sons can, but only if it meets the public approval else they are attacked.
I don't know if it's a british thing, or a Crown thing, but even divorced, an ex wife and mother is still family .
1:47 that was such a badass moment from the Queen. She shut her crybaby down in a calm and rational manner, but her words were savage 😂
and the assist from Prince Phillip was just the cherry on top honestly
The irony and hypocrisy is that both the Queen and Prince Phillip were the reason Charles was an emotional mess forced into marriage with another emotional mess created by selfish parents. It was a recipe for disaster to put two people together who had Mummy and Daddy issues and then to act pious and condescending about the results of such a horrible mismatch makes me roll my eyes. Phillip especially was brutal towards Charles in his earlier years and Elizabeth was certainly willing to play Mother of the Nation when it suited her and hide when that was more convenient than facing the truth about her own decisions. They created Charles, they molded him, and then they broke him repeatedly in different but equally devastating ways. Yes as an adult he knew what was right and what was wrong but the path to Hell is always smoothest so he did what was expected of him and the consequences were so dire. If only Diana had married him ten years later at 29 instead of 19... If only...
@@DarlingNikki2 So true. They were in an arranged marriage, and it was very common for a royal to, after he had fulfilled his marital duties, look for real love elsewhere. If only Diana had known what she was saying yes to. That this marriage was not supposed to be for love. Then she might have had different expectations and it wouldn't have been so hard on her and it wouldn't have turned in such a mess.
Or... if only they all had let Charles marry Camilla in the first place... That was not possible at the time because of royal reasons, but that wasn't Charles' fault.
Charles was as much of a victim of the whole situation as Diana was. And the situation was created by his ancestors, including his parents.
@@DarlingNikki2 Amen I'm so tired of the Charles bashing. You made great points.
@@robertisham5279 Thank you. I'm a fan, if you will, of the late Diana and deeply mourned her passing as much as anyone else who'd never actually met her. I came to understand more of her and Charles as I got older and realized they were both victims of that ancient and often ridiculous system known as royalty. I truly believe in the end he did love her as the mother of his children and he did do right by her in death. It may not seem much to some but I thought his actions after her death were touching and also warranted in spite of what his parents thought.
I remember correctly in the documentary, it was the Prime Minister that persuaded the Queen to go public because if she didn’t, it might have been the end of the Monarchy, that's how much the people loved her and they were hurting, it was said it was the first the people were angry at the Queen when she refused and wanted to stay in Balmoral with William and Harry. Goodbye England's rose and the people's princess!!
You are right is was and he is also the one who coined the phrase the Peoples Princess. There were letters and pictures amongst all those flowers at Buckingham Palace, blaming the Royal family for her death. It was the Queens lowest approval rating during her entire reign. The approval rating, the Prime Minister who I think was Tony Blair and the articles in every newspaper bashing the Royal Family and their treatment of Diana both in life and death really backed the Queen into a corner where she had no choice but to address the British people.
Princess Diana was like a reading, hearing and seeing soap opera but way more exciting!
Prince Philip absolutely nailed it in pointing out what a hypocrite Charles is. He did favor his daughter-in-law over his own son. Charles failed Diana in both life and death. He is such a small, small man.
Charles is a great, great man. He insisted on getting the wife he wanted, and got her. To hell with Diana, her immaturity, and arranged marriages in general.
@@junipervip681 Fortunately, you have no power to send somebody to hell 🤬😡😝
Attention to your words... your thoughts... they're certainly part of you. What a shame !!!!
@@liegegoncalvesteixeira2080 Fortunate for who, exactly? For those who hate marriage so much, they would encourage public displays of an obviously mismatched, unhappy marriage in order to, what, exactly? Convince youth to forsake marriage as an inevitable path to certain misery? You would be far better off to direct your sanctimonious emotions to gratitude to our deserved one true Queen Camilla.
@@junipervip681Having a mistress as a consort is embarrassing to the nation, as if "Camillagate" was not enough.. Again she is a descendant of Alice Keppel, I cannot wait until Catherine becomes Queen consort wearing the sapphire ring belonging to Diana 💙
@@junipervip681 so wearing one's heart on your sleeve is a huge crime? I get it that Camilla is Charles' true love, but they had absolutely no right to build their happiness over Diana's unhappiness.
Surely it's not possible to be able to eavesdrop so easily, so clearly in a royal residence. There'd be no privacy when staff is walking down the hallway...
Where do you think all those "close sources" come from 😂
Prince Philip bluntly spoke the truth, nobody wanted Diana out of the marriage, except for petulant Charles, if he had an iota of respect to the union he wouldn't have invited Camilla wearing white to the wedding in the first place..An honorable man cherishes his marital vows and bids farewell to any past relationship, Diana's life was cut short but it is God's will that her memory is still alive given the fact that she revolutioned the monarchy in so many ways making her the people's princess and queen of my heart❤
Yeah, they should have stayed unhappily married for the rest of their lives. Now *that* would have been an excellent message for the youth of the nation to see. Barf. To hell with immature Diana. God Save King Charles and Queen Camilla!
@@junipervip681Charles needs a babysitter for life and got one, Diana's shadow will always loom larger over these two, I am also curious if Camilla ever tells her book club and grandchildren about her great great grandmother Alice Keppel , great values indeed.
@@shikazh5139 Diana needed men, lots of men, and boy, did she get them. Great values indeed. Long live King Charles and Queen Camilla, the happiest image of marriage there is today!
@@junipervip681 Quit disrespecting the memory of the mother and grandmother of our future kings. Camilla is a mere consort who didn't give birth to a prince or princess, William's time is coming and everyone will remember Diana ever more fondly ❤️
@@shikazh5139 Start respecting our one true Queen Consort, the chosen, beloved wife of our King Charles. Diana never deserved to be queen and would have made our King miserable with her self-centered immaturity. Long live our wonderful King Charles and Queen Camilla!
This is honestly what is sad. Charles and Diana were in good terms when they separated. When they were together, it was deeply frustrating to be forced to be happy when they weren't. Now that he was with Camilla and had room to be happy, he was able to give more credit to Diana and be more civil. Had she lived longer, they would've had more better years as friends than years as a scornful couple.
some people are simply better as friends and co-parents than married, neither of them could provide for each other what they needed, they just weren't compatible, and once they both found stability and compatibility with someone else, they were both happier and able to interact with each other on more emotionally secure footing.
Regardless of historical accuracy, this scene is kind of brilliant. When the Queen & King are standing up for Diana and expressing themselves most forcefully, William isn't there. Only does he come in after and hear Charles sounding cold (talking about how William must act like a king, how they don't understand why people liked Diana & how the PM says a public funeral is necessary) & the Queen & King talking about the still-emotional yet regal pragmatics of it all. He did hear the part about how his father caused her the most pain - yet Charles made salient points about it all. Both sides showed emotion and coldness throughout the conversation. It would have been good for him to hear all of it, from both sides, but alas.
Unfortunately Phillip wasn't King
Tbh, Dominic West absolutely smashed it as Charles.
Wooooo, the Duke of Edinburgh with that royal clapback!!! I hollered when I first saw it. Charles deserved ALL of that smoke, lol! 🤣🤣🤣
I hope Philip roasted Charles like that in real life.
Charles was a victim of protocol, traditions, and an arranged marriage by his own parents (among others). And now that it all turned out to be mess, those same parents are shaming Charles for first doing his duty and then following his heart... Then what was he supposed to do? If they had allowed him to marry Camilla in the first place, it wouldn't have turned out this way.
Perhaps if Phillip had done his parenting duties better, Charles would have turned out a better and more emotionally secure man. The Duke of Edinburgh might be great at clapbacks but if he had been half as good in his parenting, maybe things would have gone better.
I'm surprised that here Philip is portrayed as disregarding what the public wanted or expected from the RF when in a previous season he and Elizabeth quarreled over her coronation. Philip said the people would view a lavish coronation as an affront during a time of economic deprivation and that the hostility that bred might lead to the monarchy being overthrown at a later date. He reminded Elizabeth that his own royal family in Greece had been overthrown and that he had to leave the country in an orange crate. Yet here he is acting as if it doesn't matter how the public would view their decision to grieve privately.
I think the point of the scene is that Diana was an extraordinary person, thus the need for an exception.
Philip is also 40 plus years older than he was in 1953 at this point.
It’s a show…Prince P was an AH cuz he was a Mountbatten…he and Liz2 were cousins!! Gross…
@@sk8terx82Good point. This hadn't even occurred to me. People's views often change over many years.
The real Philip is dead. The writes can put their bs without repercussions
No, the response from Queen came very late n probably it came only due to the out pouring of love by public. At that time almost everbody thought they were involved in her death.
Diana the true Queen of hearts. May she rest in peace.Amen
Ppl are not dim. How can they kill her in an archenemy country like France?
"We all wanted her to remain in this family" yeah, but you all had a funny way of showing it. You wanted her physically there, but that was where it ended. No one had the balls to take her side and shut Charles down to stop making her life hell.
Because Charles did what was expected of him. He accepted this bride that was arranged for him, even though he loved someone else, he produced an heir and a spare, and that was all they could ask of him. The biggest mistake was not informing Diana about the fact that this marriage was not out of love. She naively thought it was. That's why it was so hard on her when it turned out it wasn't. If she had known, they probably could have made it work, both having lovers. Then she wouldn't have turned into a mental wreck and Charles wouldn't have been the bad guy.
I can honestly see both sides of this argument. Charles is right about the fact that the family keeps trying to be both private and public, even though it almost never works out, and that it won’t look good if the people notice the royal family not doing anything in response to Diane’s death.
At the same time, The Queen and Philip are also right about the fact that they should honor the wishes of the Spencer family, since Diane and Charles were already divorced. They also are right about the fact that William and Harry should not be forced to mourn in public, and that Charles caused Diane the most pain, though Charles does own up to his mistakes.
Charles and Tony Blair were more interested in public opinion whereas the Queen and Prince Philip were more concerned with William and Harry. And Philip wasn’t wrong, if Charles hadn’t gotten his way in terms of getting a divorce, she wouldn’t have been with Dodi in Paris
1:46 Peter Morgan definitely borrows from his work in The Queen (2006). Compare to the “Their Grief!?” scene in that film.
Interesting how no one talks about if Diana wanted a public or private funeral. What she would have wanted is irrelevant
I found it curious that, at the point when the Queen needed to be mother to the nation, she decided that family came first. All the time before, it was her duty as Queen that was prioritised over all else. Just because she seemed to resent Diana.
Oh dear.
I never liked the backlash towards Queen Elizabeth in this matter.
Diana was no longer a Royal.
She was a grandmother to two sad, grieving grandsons.
The fact nobody seemed to get that. Made me mad.
Was it truly wrong for them to consider them first.
Take some private time for the family.
One way, or another her funeral would always have been a Royal one. There was no way around it.
But really. The Spencer family should have been the ones that had it.
King Charles ( Then Prince) wanted the divorce.
NOT his parents.
He did.
I like how the series pointed that out. His hypocrisy.
I, too, continue to be appalled that Her Majesty was forced to participate in such a vulgar, public display of crass emotion that was the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales, especially since Diana was no longer a part of the Royal Family. It may sound callous, but that is simply the truth. Charles treated Diana abominably throughout their marriage, took advantage of her youth and inexperience, and grew increasingly jealous as her popularity eclipsed his. Charles ran to the arms of the wretched and duplicitous Camilla Parker-Bowles to cry over his lot in life when he should have "manned up" and accepted his duties as husband to Diana. It was horrible to see the young Princes, William and Harry, have to participate in that sad spectacle. It was horrible to see Her Majesty be forced to participate in that sad spectacle. The whole affair was abominable.
@@huascar66Exactly 💯
I don’t understand the conjectured mentality of the Queen in this situation. Even if she were a fictional, rather than fictionalized, character. All through the series, she forces everyone to her will in the name of the Crown. Showing no mercy. I don’t think her softness towards her grandsons here rings true.
With all respect to the late HRH Diana. Her death came at the wrong time (not that there would have ever been a good one) for Charles (and Camilla)....and they all knew it.
Also throwing the late queen into a dilemma of how to respond and what the public would want from 'all top tiers' of the royal family.
Many believe that it would take enormous indifference, but I believe that if the late queen would not have returned to london until post diana's funeral this could have, caused massive issues in parliament and even triggered official and public critical debate of the british monarchy's survival/end. And Charles knew that.
Why would it cause issues? What is wrong with you Brits?
@@boomds5602 The people loved Diana and they expected "their Queen" to show some respect for the mother of her grandsons. She made the worst mistake of her reign hiding too long at Balmoral pretending to "protect" the boys.
@@boomds5602 Obviously absolutely nothing. Not if you are taking the time out of 'your' day to sit and watch such programmes. (isn't that where the 'dreaded' Mrs Markle sat and studied her 'secret desire' ...and what she got completely wrong!). Yes...absolutely nothing.
The way they rub in to Charles that he could no longer take back what he lost and how he messed up his marriage with Diana. A subtle way of telling him how much of a hypocrite he is.
Despite their efforts, the Crown cannot hide the obvious fact that charles used diana for the heirs and card nothing about her personally.
I found this scene very hurtful for Charles. His parents were quite absent in his own upbringing, not meeting his emotional needs as a child, with Philip asking him to be rigid and disciplined and the queen not being very motherly either and hammering on royal duties. And now, when Charles is trying to focus on what he thinks must be done as a public figure, doing royal duties, his parents scoff him for not being mindfull of his childrens feelings. It seems a bit hypocritical and, once again, a misreading of Philip and Elizabeth of their son.
Did this happen in real life?
@@robertisham5279we all know Charles didn’t agree with the way his parents handled Diana’s death. They must have had arguments about it.
“I’m more concerned about being a grandmother” uhhh then why are the boys running amok around a castle and you still doing queen things?! And they really like to overlook that THEY are Charles’ parents and what he does is largely cause how they raised him.
American - ignorant, unwanted opinion about something America really can’t understand. Go away, do some research. Find out some facts, then present them. You are rude, sir. Rude.
American - ignorant, unwanted opinion about something America really can’t understand. Go away, do some research. Find out some facts, then present them. You are rude, sir. Rude.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at. From all accounts, the queen did everything she could for William and Harry while at Balmoral and it’s why she fought so hard against any public action so that the two grandsons could grieve in private. One royal expert said it was the first time in her reign that she put family ahead of duty.
This entire scene is fictional, as is William running away. All reports indicate that the queen did everything she could to ensure the boys didn’t see or hear any discussion about their mother.
William did run away, he went wandering aroudn the hills on his own. @@jasonkoch3182
He finally admitted after she passed on and left us in this world ..(her boys too especially)😢..and most definitely certainly cried to his old mistress during his wife’s tragic accident and funeral afterward..camilla was probably terrified of how much the public loved her as she was hiding during that tragic time ..as she should!
0:33 Damn right he insisted on divorce!
I was waiting for a line about she’s the mother of a future king, and she should be treated as such.
Philip was 100% right. Diana's divorce with Charles was something the latter had been expecting for a very long time so now he can't complain she can't have a proper funeral as part of the royal family because she was no longer part of it, however, it is true the queen and Philip did not want that for Diana and her children
the royal family is as fond of ever-ticking clocks as it is hostile to artificial lighting.
Young philip: Daemon Targaryen
Adult philip: Edmure Tully
Old Philip: High Sparrow
scene with great writing and acting. honor.
Divorce made Princess Diana no less the mother of Prince William, the future King of England. She will always be so and deserves appropriate treatment for that in life, in death, and for all time. Claiming it was purely a Spencer family matter was matter-of-fact and merely placing her as a broodmare for the crown and nothing more. That was despicable and a most horrid sentiment to be uttered by Prince Philip and supported by the Queen. It should have never been so much as a thought within their heads to try to not grant her a state funeral! Rather, their priority was to unwaveringly do their absolute best for Princess Diana, her sons, and for the Spencer family. It's astonishing and unfathomable to know this happened if it's true.
l have always thought the Queen was cold and uncaring and l saw how she behaved during the week before Dianas funeral she really screwed up during that time and Charles caused Dianas pain and she didnt care or help
Can you upload the scene when William goes missing
I cried when I found out that she died
I believe Elizabeth and Phillip's argument is very poor, and a last ditched effort to refuse a state funeral to Diana. If Diana died while she was still Princess of Wales and the future Queen of the United Kingdom, there would have been a state funeral and both William and Harry would not have been spared of walking behind their mother's coffin by their grandmother.
Charles acting 'concerned'
Oh you wanted this Charles!
The one time in the series where I can sympathize with both parties equally. Charles is to blame for causing all this grief and the family did deserve to mourn in their own way, but with how beloved Diana was to the world, it was important to show just how important she was to people and so deserved to be remembered publicly. A very tough decision all around.
None of this would have happened if the Royal Family would have allowed Charles to marry Camilla in the first place.
Dianna will always be Queen in my eyes.
I wish they've gotten someone that looked a little bit more like Charles
Philip was the only one who defended Diana. He was furious when Charles divorced her for Camilla.
evidence?
sad that it took losing Diana so prematurely for Charles and his family to appreciate her and how the people loved her, when they saw all the attention she got in life as her trying to outdo them.
Weird they portrayed Charles so… passionate in a positive way about making Diana’s funeral a state occasion. Suddenly she means something to him. One would think he’d be the first to wash his hand off this matter & quietly dance on her coffin & grave now that he could boink his mistress without repercussions.
They had nearly a decade of marriage and two children together. There was some love, even if they weren't in love. I'm sure he was sad for his children too.
what sort of people do you know
Personally I'm not a fan of the Royal family generally Charles or Diana and I never quite got the relationship that we in the UK had with her or them more broadly. However, I would suggest Charles here has the measured position. The public needed to say goodbye there really was no other option than a ceremonial funeral.
Now I totally get that her family (and by that I mean the Spencer's) wanted a small private funeral, I can't even start to imagine how uncomfortable it must have been for them
Don't forget, this isn't real, just based on rough ideas of what may have happened and history that has many different ways of being told.
1:54 💣 🎤 drop
2:00 *FORETRESS EXPLOSION !!!* 💣💣💣💥💥💥
Prince Phillip was so matter of fact and straight for the yugular
While the queen and Philip’s response here is perfectly reasonable, ultimately Charles is correct.
That was the worse decision ever letting those poor boys walk behind their mother's coffin. They were hurting 😢and needed their space and primacy. If l would be the queen l would of held them close to me at all times, they needed loving support. I am certain that funeral day them following their mother's coffin is instilled in them forever and l guarantee it was not something Diana would agree on. It was just a big show to the world but no consideration to their state of mind and broken hearts. Just heartbreaking to watch.😢
I think the family has learnt from that mistake. I notice they don't involve Kate and WIlliam's children as much.
Bullshit. They just needed someone from the family to reclaim that body. Make sure everything was as it should be. Nod, nod, wink, wink. Even if the funeral was about public image, they would’ve just had an elaborate funeral with all of them attending. But her ex husband taking custody of her body when she had a brother or any number of family, is highly suspicious. Like Phillip said, he didn’t think that divorce would turn out well for her. Not her and Charles, just her.
So rich of them to blame Charles when it was them that forced him to marry her in the first place !! HYPOCRITS.
(If this conversation actually even happened) Charles was smart enough to acknowledge that the Royals had to come to terms with the fact that Diana, despite her faults, was BELOVED by the people of Britian and the world. He knew that they really had no choice and would have to publicly honor Diana. The mood of the people dramatically changed when the Royal family permitted the grand funeral to take place. I think Diana taught them a very valuable lesson.....that the Royal family, in this modern day, still exists because the people allow it. Charles knew this was an act of self preservation for the family as much as it was from guilt of how he was as a husband.
Aint no way charlse pushed for the public funeral 😅
Despite his many failings Charles did seem to figure out what the UK wants out of the monarchy. A grandmotherly or grandfatherly figure who has the dignity and kindness that one should gain by living a full life and can reassure the nation in times of crisis because they lived through times like these before.
1:44 It was at this moment Charles knew... he fucked up...
Charles and Blair, Thank God, finally got through to the Queen who was cold and awful about her death. Charles stood up to his mother. Then the boys WERE used as a spectacle. Her reign was only saved because of the sweet compassion and deep grief of the British people.
The words said on both sides are compassionate and understandable. I just don’t believe that this is anywhere near how it went down. Previous and subsequent words and actions from the real life people depicted just do not support it. Her death made very clear how that family operates.
Great scene, cause I’ll be damned if Phillip didn’t have a point.
Itwas always Charles fault
I always wonder how the royal family feels about this show…
2:54 I think William disagrees with his father, he'd rather listen to his music than behave like a king
The idea that William & Harry had to publicly mourn their mother is brutal, as I'm sure the actual walking behind the coffin was.
It’s interesting how the characters change between the series
Matt Smith’s Philip sees the character chafing at his role in Elizabeth’s shadow whereas later seasons see him settled into his stride as her right hand man
O’Connor’s Charles is petulant and self centred while later versions see him introspective and willing to accept responsibility
People mature, grow, and change with age, I guess.....
2:02 you're absolutely right, Charles did cause Diana the most pain, all because he loves Camilla more than he ever loved Diana, which he should feel a world of shame and guilt for until the day he dies!
I’m curious what would William say about this?
That's a hard Job being a Monarch
This is not accurate. It was the queen who wanted William and Harry to walk behind her coffin.
Captions would be awesome, these people mumble