“Why would you go out driving that late at night”? What type of idiotic question is that!!? That’s the norm to learn to drive at night, less chance of cars being on the road
Then stay home next time instead of actively looking for someone dangerous. She grabbed her son and a loaded gun and went back to look for the dude. What kind of mom puts her life and sons life in danger for some little revenge. Freaking stupid and she got exactly what she was looking for
Yes should be able to but your taking a big risk going out anywhere at night.I had insomnia one night so went for a walk.30 mins in cops pull up n arrest me for breaking into a parked car .4 hrs in the cells before there let me out say "sorry,we found 3 youths a street over breaking into a car n they admitted the one I was thought to have done .You can't sue here in New Zealand ya just have to suck it up
It absolutely does matter, it's like saying a woman has the right to wear w.e she wants no man has the right to be overly aggressive. Although true certain actions welcome or increase ones odds of a negative experience. Of course they should of been able to go out anytime they wanted but what's the old saying about being out past a certain hour?
Exactly! the daughter even said why they went at 10 I mean dang she’s a new driver and knew there wouldn’t be as many cars on the road she was being safe in my opinion. I’m sure she never thought what happened would happened. It’s sick people want to blame them for this in my opinion.
@@JustinLodes I agree. However it is new cause now we don't have sticks and rocks, bows and arrows Anymore. It's much worse now. And On a larger scale. And it's only going to get worse.
everybody learns to drive at night when the parking lot is empty and when the streets are empty. it shouldnt matter what time it is that you get driving lessons. nobody should be killed for road rage!
Almost 30 years ago, when I was 18 or 19, I was walking down a street in Youngstown Ohio, a car pulled up next to me and a guy asked me if there is a hospital nearby. I started to show him which way to go, and then I noticed that he is about to pass out. Then I notice that there are couple of bullet holes in the car, and the dude is bleeding. I tell him to scooch over to the passenger seat, get in the car and start driving him myself. I already had a drivers license by then, but his car was a stick shift, and I have never driven a manual at that time. Anyways, after stalling a few times, I got him to the ER at the hospital, the guy did pass out by then. Anyways, I stuck around for an hour or so at the hospital, guy's sister showed up, she didn't really speak to me at all, was more concerned about her brother. I hung some more, wondering if police or medical staff would need to speak to me at all, but nobody even cared that I was there, so eventually I left. Don't even know till this day if that guy lived, or why he was shot, was it road rage or some other issue. In any case, hopefully I saved a life way back then, so it felt good.
Wow you Rock! Adrenaline took over 🙏🏽 So glad you made it safely- I’m sorry no one noticed what you had done. On their behalf thank you so much for being such a caring human & helping out another it’s so hard to find that these days - weather he lived or died I know is a question you’ll probably never get closure for - but know you gave him peace of mind & calm in his most dire moment. If he passed he passed with the mind set a kind stranger safely got him to the only place that could save his life💕🙏🏽Blessings upon you
I hope he survived but even if he didn’t, you did the right thing. And hopefully that experience guided you towards a better life too. It’s such a life changing moment and I’m sure it had a positive ripple effect. I think doctors were more concerned about saving his life than to interview you. Only the police would care about the facts and who knows if they ever called the police.
If someone is riding your a** or displaying signs of road rage, “bow down” be humble, move over and let them win. You never know who’s ready to kill someone. Those with egos have shorter life expectancies.
@@pandastylearmy5938 duh, he means in road rage incidents not this particular situation. Let the rager win but definitely don't "bow down". Edit: but yea teenagers def have *huge* egos, WTH you talking about?!
I had someone doing this to me late one night when I was driving home. Really tired and deep in. Thought. I was just going really slow not paying attention to my speed. He thought I was trying to get in his way I guess cus when the single lane turned to two I went in the right lane to let him pass and I guess he thought I was trying to block him. He was enraged & zoomed around me.& then he slammed on his brakes in front of me. I almost rear ended him. Then he took off and as he was turning in his apartment complex I zoomed real close to his car splashing slush on his car, as it was winter time. I was in a rage at this point. So then he started chasing me again and trying to run me off the road. He got next to me on a two lane road & kept swerving into me. If I hadn't moved over I would have been hit . So I called 911 and drove to a different apartment complex than where I lived and pulled in As if I live there and he drove behind me and left thankfully. I got a very good look at his face as his car was inches from mine side by side as he was trying to hit me. He looked totally crazy. Many years later I got a job at a local store and discovered he was working there as well in a different department. He definitely seemed like he had a few screws loose And was a very unhappy, lonely person. I never brought it up and he never recognized me thankfully.
Having lost my mom to cancer, you realize your mom is the foundation of a household. Without her it all breaks down.... We only have one mom, so just let her have much you love her because you never when she’ll be gone....
It was the mom's fault she was the road rager they drove home to get her oldest son and a gun and continued to chase the guy till he fired back and kill the mom. But it was the mom and the son who gave chase. Look up the real story the guy turn him self in after watching this and told the true. story.
The guilt this poor girl must live with is probably unbearable. I hope she can learn to forgive herself and she can still find happiness in life. I’m sure that’s what her mom would want.
Don’t worry about why they drove home and criticize the move they made it’s a situation that shouldn’t of happened at all not everybody’s going to be like oldest person really follow me because sometimes like when I’m been driving around looks like the same cars behind me for a little bit but I’m not gonna make assume you’re following me and you should or not they just happen to be going the same way the direction and they don’t stop at my street anything they drive past I mean there’s certain things they’re doing that was not really I think they do when they are following you but reality you can’t criticize the live going home because some people don’t think about it you know I love you is easy to say would you do if you were in the situation but you actually don’t know what you would do
Uhhhh never mind I just watched the second part she went home to get her son who had a gun to go and find the other car….. this case is much more serious than i thought
S Sep 11 is the anniversary of Saudi Arabia . Meaning The Saudis plotted with president bush , president trump's and member of the GOP to attack America on September 11 . The crown Prince hired indian hijacker to do the deed . As well that means that two president where responsible for giving special forces GPS coordinates. As well is why military intelligence has been affected for over 20 years . General Colin Powell was assassinated because of these fact . And I'm asking for destroyers to move into the Persian Gulf for answers . We want the crown Prince step down know for war crimes against united state and allies know . Warith Akbar military intelligence officer for the And Nancy pelosi office. The crown Prince has attempted to assassinate me and my family more then once by pumping the virus into my company residence . As well is the same way general Colin Powell was killed. I'm asking a martial law for all major capitals and for the a emergency siaze on Saudi family assets and bush and Trump assets. This is a response to the murder of federal prosecutor last week. . United is at siege. For it democracy at risk of being over ran.
"Why would you go for a driving lesson at night?" Like that's so ridiculous? Here in West Aus it is a requirement for learner drivers to do night driving. This is so sad, condolences to the victim's family 🙏
It is sad if her daughter think that it is her fault due to the honking that made crazy people mad. btw, 2:35, honking is not normal and the reporter made it sounds normal, especially in a Republican state. Honking might be normal in an extreme Democratic state such as CA or NY, but not the rest of America, especially those with guns in their cars in Texas. Why would anyone take that chance to honk in a Republican state, I don’t know?
When you find yourself next to a stranger on the road, you know nothing about him/her and you do not know who you are dealing with. NEVER get into a contest, especially if you have a passenger. If another driver is disagreeable, just leave.
Exactly. People need to understand that they never where someone is mentally. A huge mistake made by the daughter & unfortunately she has to live with. It’s best to avoid confrontation nowadays
Or you always carry a gun on you get your CHL and if anyone pulls a gun on you shoot the dude….he’s aware of what he’s doing so it’s either me or you….you pull a gun out on me you better use it cause your butt is dead you gotta protect your family…..it’s sad people chose weapons I’d rather fight it out than shoot someone over a stupid reason
They did leave, the daughter honked and the guy hit them with their car so they drove off. Then he followed him home to shoot her. They didn’t honk and chase him and scream and flip him off and engage with him when he got out and ran up on them the firs time.
Nah the world is the best it's ever been. All the BS you see on TV and internet is just a small fraction. We are living the best the human Race ever has.
This is such a tragic loss. I really don't understand why some people take things so personal when driving. Just let it go! You will probably never run into that person the rest of your life.
Here in Arizona you’re required to have a certain number of hours driving at night before you can get your license. The way they question this poor girl is cruel. It makes it seem like it was completely her fault.
This is heartbreaking. I live in Vegas as well & it's so important to be patient while driving. ESPECIALLY in this town & NEVER drive home if you're being followed. Always drive to a police station or somewhere highly active with people around.
@@justin5033 Vegas is actually such a small city so it makes sense that the guy could easy follow them and unfortunately most people don’t think rationally in high tense situations like this
Here in Arizona you’re required to have a certain number of hours driving at night before you can get your license. The way they question this poor girl is cruel. It makes it seem like it was completely her fault.
I did the same thing took my children at night because it was less cars on the road then we could find parking spots that wasn't crowded. I kept the cones in the trunk of the car that way I could teach them how to park. So I understand why she went at night. It's a shame that we have to live in a society where you have to pick and choose what time you go outside. I pray that they find this person. My condolence to your family
I'm from Vegas, I learned how to drive late at night and I also taught mine late at night... We're both great drivers. Vegas is just so bad now which is why I left 2 years ago
My dad taught me to drive at night when I was 13 in the early 80s. It was parking lots and empty highways. It was great. Wonderful memories when the road had fewer lunatics.
My mum taught me to drive at night, she has passed now but I thank God it was not like this. Condolences to this family especially the daughter, we have the same name and this situation makes old memories return.. i cant imagine how she feels seeing that unfold. I don't think I'd ever want to drive after this tbh. I also used to honk at shitty drivers and had a bad run in with someone. They threatened my life, I stopped honking unless absolutely necessary. Sending love and peace to this family, may justice be served 💕
They're trying to save face for their Mom & Wife that's why.. It's because of how foolish & immature Mrs. Meyer looks in all this she lost her life over acting like a OVERGROWN 5 YEAR OLD...Remember the Rhyme Sticks & Stones can Break My Bones but NAMES CAN NEVER HURT ME!! ....Mrs. Meyer's & her Daughter ONLY HAD "WORD'S" with the Guy earlier in that parking lot when his Rap Music was too loud for Mrs. Meyer remember the the Guy who was Convicted for murdering the teenager for playing rap music too loud.. Mrs. Meyer & her Daughter MADE IT HOME SAFELY but Mrs. Meyer was STILL FUMING about that Guy and what his "WORD'S" so mad she told her son he got a gun Mr. Meyer CHOSE to GO BACK OUT LOOKING FOR THAT GUY.. Unfortunately she was shot & killed that just makes her LOOK FOOLISH & IMMATURE if it was my family member I'd be very sad but I'd know if she would have stayed home she wouldn't have been killed...
I used to carry a . 38 special. A fool got after me one night. I pulled over and got out gun in hand. He couldn't leave fast enough. I guess he didn't want trouble after all.
If you dont know how to drive and you're in my vicinity, you're gonna know about it. Now if someone wants to hop out and get crazy, its gonna be a fun day.
8:09 "I didn't want my baby to suffer............but I didn't want her to go, either." I had to make that decision 2 years ago. It's the most heartbreaking thing I've ever had to do. The guilt is overwhelming, even though I know there was no other choice. RIP Kristal.....and my condolences to the Meyers' family.
Nobody will ever understand how hard it is to pull the plug on a loved one! Its devastating because you just want them to live but not suffer or be a vegetable.. I've had to go through this before
1. Don't honk at people who overtake you. That just annoys them more and those people are unhinged. 2. If someone is chasing you, don't lead them to your home. Drive to the police station. 3. If you're teaching someone to drive, put a sign on your car so other drivers are aware.
As a parent who is about to hand keys to my daughter to teach her. It makes total sense to go early morning or when roads empty at night. That's close to home so the danger of other cars or hitting others in traffic is reduced. This is a sad situation and it breaks my heart
SMH the mother went looking for Trouble.. she made it home safely with her daughter.. but then she tells her son to come outside and he brings a gun!! Then they go LOOKING FOR THE SO CALLED ROAD RAGE CAR
thunderdome rush blue I agree. Especially because the dad said something along the lines of “we live in Las Vegas, it’s a 24 hour city” just seems really odd to me.
Vicki Gjesvold In the video it says it was her first driving lesson, just doesn’t seem like the best idea to do your first lesson at night. Obviously I don’t think you should drive at night alone for the first time, I had to. It was horrifying. But just seems odd to me.
@BuckGreywolfe yeah, thats typically how people do shit. Facts and context? We dont need no stinking facts and context! React/get outraged: learn facts later (if at all).
Jay Furler AK Fuck, seriously? That's awful. Addiction can happen to anyone, but it doesn't come often to take someone's life like this. I feel for the family.
We started being followed by a man on the freeway one night when I had my son getting his hours in after he went through driver's ed. I had my son get off the freeway and that man kept following. I was in a neighboring city. I had him switch seats with me, neither of us getting out of the car. I drove us to the police station and that driver followed us all the way. I ran in and yelled to them that the man was following me. It turned out he was an off duty officer. He said my son was driving erratic. He saw he was young. He saw us change seats. He still followed us even after that. This was before cell phones.
If she said at an empty parking lot at school she could have just went in the morning on the weekend to this empty parking lot but at night to practice driving no way my kid can convince me to let her drive at night no way
Nah this sounds like a set up. None of this sounds right. The dad is out of town and refers to her as "that woman" and then he calls the media before anyone reaches out to him? Weird. Ya something is not right.
Logan Hensley Exactly ! The first thing I noticed is how the girl says this guy gets out of the car and says,"I'm gonna kill you and your daughter" ! How in the world would he know their relation. Yeah, sounds like some bullshit.
He didn't call her "that woman" he said, and I quote, "I'm speechless. I've been with this woman 25 years." 5:10 Girl, you're making shit up in your head.
The mom and/or family was involved with buying prescription drugs from the shooter. The family is not innocent in any way and they paid the price for it. The son USED to be friends with the shooter. Speculation but I don't think the father really knew what was going on because he was not at home often with his job selling trinkets from his truck at far away locations. As for him calling news stations on news of his wife getting shot, you have to realize he was racing home from California and had hours and hours ahead of him driving alone. Between the updates from his daughter and son, and from the police, with his mind racing while hes just driving alone and waiting, its not surprising he chose to get the media involved to help to try to catch the shooter who just killed his wife. But...who knows.
@WubzZ 1026 yeah there was alot more to this story it wasn't her dealer it was a little kid who was selling for her and were guessing owed her money they went after him the mother and son and he shot at them to defend himself she was killed in the gun fire lol just goes to show there is always another side to every " story lol
I feel amber when someone does something rude on the road but i do my best not to honk unless it prevents someone from hitting me. You really don't know who is behind the wheel and how nuts they are.
@@ligmaballs4209 she's lying...that guy had all the reactions of someone with road rage and got hit...or either the husband set it up.. or he owed gambling debts. Take ur pic. I think she is lying.
Personally..if I just had words with a person with road rage...I would had driven to the police department not my home!And how did the shooter know it was mother and daughter. 🤔
The man knew it was mother n daughter one of to ways. He studied the victim’s home, car, family, etc... or he was paid by a friend or family member to take her out. In which he studied his victim any way. Either way, he busted himself by saying that. Otherwise, at night with headlights shining in his face, would he know whether it was her mother, aunt, grandma, cousin, older sister, or a family friend she might be spending the night with ? Fishy ? Not until we know all of the evidence. Sometimes there is info that lies beneath the surface. Secrets held etc... Task Force Guy - over n out
OMG! Had a crazy incident myself on a dark road on Thanksgiving. No guns, but terrifying, chased, and side-swiped. You never know what tapping the horn might trigger. 😰
Shawn Futch exactly. This is weird The entire story. The dad is acting strange. Showing up with 2 cars? It's clear they said came back, then followed them. The husband seems guilty
If he sees an older women and a younger girl in a car, you can assume it was mom and daughter. Are you saying you never have seen what you presumed what is a mom and daughter?
right you are that's why he was out of town conviently and there was video footage of the shooters cruising by the house before they even left....pretty obvious. Lesson here don't have children their just get you killed
When. I was learning to drive, my driving lessons included night lessons, as my instructor said I had to learn how to drive at night too. Question how did he know they was mother and daughter????? 🤔🤔
theirs more to this story then said, ialso feel it was a set up.. and lies are being told... i wouldnt be suprised if father was in on this or both him and the daughter wow
I experienced road rage, my sister was in the car and the witch refused to call 911. She calls her boyfriend instead, whose busy with his kids. I wanted to smack her around. The stupidity.
It actually was the moms pill dealer. A 20 year old or something. They got into an altercation and went to his house, then they brought a gun and had the son try to get in a fight with the drug dealer. Anyway....the kid got charged with murder but the mom was totally a huge part of it bringing a gun to start a fight with their dealer.
I learned to drive at night and I did the same to my stepdaughter. Less traffic and quiet. It's like we cant go out at night anymore what a dangerous world we live nowadays
I have honked the horn just like the daughter did and my mom always yells at me and gets so scared she tells me to stop because that’s dangerous we could get killed and this just made my blood boil Omg so sad
When the dad breaks down I almost cried! Good man working taking care of family and his wife does while just trying to raise her kids and teach them well making great memories! Ruined by someone who probably never had parents or even a parent that taught the value of life! Hurt people hurt people but what kind of person kills over something so petty! Words can’t explain. Road rage is when you have a run in with a psychotic unstable person! Point blank period!
🙄how many people don't have parents and American Dream lives because these kinds of people have stolen all the resources and opportunities so They can have them 🤔😒 They really should have taught y'all what about the indigenous curses awaiting you here as you all emigrated to the amerikkkan dream
Vegas is a shithole. Lived there for awhile. Once you do everything on the strip it’s just a shit hole with a bunch of shitty ass conceited drug addicted alcoholics.
If someone ever says they are going to kill you, take them absolutely serious, and call the police asap, and drive to an open store with people around or the police station.
If you are ever being followed by someone like the horrible killer in this video. DO NOT GO HOME. Drive to a police station.
Raider Nation ye try to run him over while he has a fucking gun
@@Reefxll what other choice do you have? If he's gonna shoot you may aswell try
Ryan the car guy how if he knew where they lived? 2 cars pulled up
We don't fuck with 12 fuck da police
Ryan the car guy are you even a car guy?
“Why would you go out driving that late at night”? What type of idiotic question is that!!? That’s the norm to learn to drive at night, less chance of cars being on the road
Yup! I taught my little brother how to drive like at midnight 👌
iz real yeah bro I thought that was the norm lol 😂
Especially in Vegas where there is LOTS of traffic during the daytime
In Oregon you are required to have night time experience to get your license.
@@jeraleewood5969 Arizona has that as well... Unless it has changed
my heart broke when the dad said “i didn’t want my baby to suffer, but i didn’t want her to go either” 🥺
damn
Then stay home next time instead of actively looking for someone dangerous. She grabbed her son and a loaded gun and went back to look for the dude. What kind of mom puts her life and sons life in danger for some little revenge. Freaking stupid and she got exactly what she was looking for
@@lingling21100 WOW
I hate how they keep coming back to what time they went driving… should not matter. They should be able to drive safely at any time, day or night.
10 second conversation.
Completely agree
Yes should be able to but your taking a big risk going out anywhere at night.I had insomnia one night so went for a walk.30 mins in cops pull up n arrest me for breaking into a parked car .4 hrs in the cells before there let me out say "sorry,we found 3 youths a street over breaking into a car n they admitted the one I was thought to have done .You can't sue here in New Zealand ya just have to suck it up
It absolutely does matter, it's like saying a woman has the right to wear w.e she wants no man has the right to be overly aggressive. Although true certain actions welcome or increase ones odds of a negative experience. Of course they should of been able to go out anytime they wanted but what's the old saying about being out past a certain hour?
Exactly! the daughter even said why they went at 10 I mean dang she’s a new driver and knew there wouldn’t be as many cars on the road she was being safe in my opinion. I’m sure she never thought what happened would happened. It’s sick people want to blame them for this in my opinion.
Damn imagine living in a world where it’s getting so dangerous people are confused as to why you went driving at night.
Sadly we dont have to imagine
Our golden age ended long ago. It's only going to get worse from here
Sirius Cygnus it’s just humans killing humans. Nothing new
@@JustinLodes I agree. However it is new cause now we don't have sticks and rocks, bows and arrows Anymore. It's much worse now. And On a larger scale.
And it's only going to get worse.
@@SiriusCygnus 6 yrs ago they wouldve said it wont get worse, here we are 2022 and murder is through the roof so youre right!
everybody learns to drive at night when the parking lot is empty and when the streets are empty. it shouldnt matter what time it is that you get driving lessons. nobody should be killed for road rage!
tiye777 it wasn't road rage they knew each other the guy sold drugs to meyer
tiye777 It’s scary at night..
You have to have like 2 hours driven at night to get ur license
tiye777 😄😄😄
+Alyssa gallard I never heard that
Almost 30 years ago, when I was 18 or 19, I was walking down a street in Youngstown Ohio, a car pulled up next to me and a guy asked me if there is a hospital nearby. I started to show him which way to go, and then I noticed that he is about to pass out. Then I notice that there are couple of bullet holes in the car, and the dude is bleeding. I tell him to scooch over to the passenger seat, get in the car and start driving him myself. I already had a drivers license by then, but his car was a stick shift, and I have never driven a manual at that time. Anyways, after stalling a few times, I got him to the ER at the hospital, the guy did pass out by then. Anyways, I stuck around for an hour or so at the hospital, guy's sister showed up, she didn't really speak to me at all, was more concerned about her brother. I hung some more, wondering if police or medical staff would need to speak to me at all, but nobody even cared that I was there, so eventually I left. Don't even know till this day if that guy lived, or why he was shot, was it road rage or some other issue. In any case, hopefully I saved a life way back then, so it felt good.
God will reward you
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Wow you Rock! Adrenaline took over 🙏🏽 So glad you made it safely- I’m sorry no one noticed what you had done. On their behalf thank you so much for being such a caring human & helping out another it’s so hard to find that these days - weather he lived or died I know is a question you’ll probably never get closure for - but know you gave him peace of mind & calm in his most dire moment. If he passed he passed with the mind set a kind stranger safely got him to the only place that could save his life💕🙏🏽Blessings upon you
I hope he survived but even if he didn’t, you did the right thing. And hopefully that experience guided you towards a better life too. It’s such a life changing moment and I’m sure it had a positive ripple effect. I think doctors were more concerned about saving his life than to interview you. Only the police would care about the facts and who knows if they ever called the police.
Total introvert I would of been manic and im an introvert were all dif but doing that and casually walking off is all introvert.
If someone is riding your a** or displaying signs of road rage, “bow down” be humble, move over and let them win. You never know who’s ready to kill someone. Those with egos have shorter life expectancies.
ego? she was a teenager.
@@pandastylearmy5938 duh, he means in road rage incidents not this particular situation.
Let the rager win but definitely don't "bow down".
Edit: but yea teenagers def have *huge* egos, WTH you talking about?!
True, that it.
I 100% agree.
I had someone doing this to me late one night when I was driving home. Really tired and deep in. Thought. I was just going really slow not paying attention to my speed. He thought I was trying to get in his way I guess cus when the single lane turned to two I went in the right lane to let him pass and I guess he thought I was trying to block him. He was enraged & zoomed around me.& then he slammed on his brakes in front of me. I almost rear ended him. Then he took off and as he was turning in his apartment complex I zoomed real close to his car splashing slush on his car, as it was winter time. I was in a rage at this point. So then he started chasing me again and trying to run me off the road. He got next to me on a two lane road & kept swerving into me. If I hadn't moved over I would have been hit . So I called 911 and drove to a different apartment complex than where I lived and pulled in As if I live there and he drove behind me and left thankfully. I got a very good look at his face as his car was inches from mine side by side as he was trying to hit me. He looked totally crazy. Many years later I got a job at a local store and discovered he was working there as well in a different department. He definitely seemed like he had a few screws loose And was a very unhappy, lonely person. I never brought it up and he never recognized me thankfully.
Having lost my mom to cancer, you realize your mom is the foundation of a household. Without her it all breaks down.... We only have one mom, so just let her have much you love her because you never when she’ll be gone....
Lost my mom at 3 years old , I miss her every day !🙏🏻💖
facts😕 i lost my grandma to cancer aswell
Get another mom then
@@jonathanng138 that was lame af you cant just get another "mom" no one can replace the person who birthed you
@@princesslicilashae8611 sugar mommy
If u come up in front of my car sayin u gon kill me..expect to be flattened
Abso-fuckin-lutely
Not me, ima let the g23 sing!
It was the mom's fault she was the road rager they drove home to get her oldest son and a gun and continued to chase the guy till he fired back and kill the mom. But it was the mom and the son who gave chase. Look up the real story the guy turn him self in after watching this and told the true. story.
For me you'll get a 9mm hollow tip from my spring field armory XD
Go over him until theres grinded meat
The guilt this poor girl must live with is probably unbearable. I hope she can learn to forgive herself and she can still find happiness in life. I’m sure that’s what her mom would want.
The time of day is irrelevant. Nobody should be put in a situation like this.
But I will never understand why they drove home..
Don’t worry about why they drove home and criticize the move they made it’s a situation that shouldn’t of happened at all not everybody’s going to be like oldest person really follow me because sometimes like when I’m been driving around looks like the same cars behind me for a little bit but I’m not gonna make assume you’re following me and you should or not they just happen to be going the same way the direction and they don’t stop at my street anything they drive past I mean there’s certain things they’re doing that was not really I think they do when they are following you but reality you can’t criticize the live going home because some people don’t think about it you know I love you is easy to say would you do if you were in the situation but you actually don’t know what you would do
Probably blind panic they knew someone would be home to help so it was instinct i guess
Uhhhh never mind I just watched the second part she went home to get her son who had a gun to go and find the other car….. this case is much more serious than i thought
@@Miss_Witch13 did you find an ending?!
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Sep 11 is the anniversary of Saudi Arabia . Meaning The Saudis plotted with president bush , president trump's and member of the GOP to attack America on September 11 . The crown Prince hired indian hijacker to do the deed . As well that means that two president where responsible for giving special forces GPS coordinates. As well is why military intelligence has been affected for over 20 years . General Colin Powell was assassinated because of these fact . And I'm asking for destroyers to move into the Persian Gulf for answers . We want the crown Prince step down know for war crimes against united state and allies know .
Warith Akbar military intelligence officer for the And
Nancy pelosi office.
The crown Prince has attempted to assassinate me and my family more then once by pumping the virus into my company residence . As well is the same way general Colin Powell was killed.
I'm asking a martial law for all major capitals and for the a emergency siaze on Saudi family assets and bush and Trump assets. This is a response to the murder of federal prosecutor last week. .
United is at siege. For it democracy at risk of being over ran.
If they were being followed, why would they drive home? Why lead them to where you live????
Someone Because the person thinks they can be safe in their home
panic
@@thisawesomechick19 keep living in Neverland bro it'll do you good lmao
2turnt 2turnt Sounds about dumb, Neverland only exists in a movie
@@thisawesomechick19 streets just as safe as ur house genius keep living in Neverland bud ur stunned
This is disgusting. Who would do that? My regards to the family. God bless them.
Space Kitten .... people that don't pay their drug dealers......that's who deserves this I guess?
Space Kitten I agree. But she should have kept her hand of the horn. If you can react, there are actions
joe Poe There is more to the story. Thank you for that.
Most likely the police did it
If god was actually real and truly blessed them this simply wouldnt have happened.
"Why would you go for a driving lesson at night?" Like that's so ridiculous? Here in West Aus it is a requirement for learner drivers to do night driving. This is so sad, condolences to the victim's family 🙏
in california im pretty sure people are also required to do a certain amount of driving at night before they get their license
No it is not. Teens need to learn to drive at night.
It is sad if her daughter think that it is her fault due to the honking that made crazy people mad. btw, 2:35, honking is not normal and the reporter made it sounds normal, especially in a Republican state. Honking might be normal in an extreme Democratic state such as CA or NY, but not the rest of America, especially those with guns in their cars in Texas. Why would anyone take that chance to honk in a Republican state, I don’t know?
When you find yourself next to a stranger on the road, you know nothing about him/her and you do not know who you are dealing with. NEVER get into a contest, especially if you have a passenger. If another driver is disagreeable, just leave.
Exactly. People need to understand that they never where someone is mentally. A huge mistake made by the daughter & unfortunately she has to live with. It’s best to avoid confrontation nowadays
Or you always carry a gun on you get your CHL and if anyone pulls a gun on you shoot the dude….he’s aware of what he’s doing so it’s either me or you….you pull a gun out on me you better use it cause your butt is dead you gotta protect your family…..it’s sad people chose weapons I’d rather fight it out than shoot someone over a stupid reason
They did leave, the daughter honked and the guy hit them with their car so they drove off.
Then he followed him home to shoot her. They didn’t honk and chase him and scream and flip him off and engage with him when he got out and ran up on them the firs time.
@@overtherenowaitthere it only takes one petty honk from a Karen for a low IQ simpleton to become completely unhinged....
More like do not let incompetent psycho on the road or let them walk free.
Letting them cage us only make it worse.
I truely felt weird hearing this. something sounds off as soon as the daughter started speaking....
Insane vocalists 1234 was thinking the same thing
NO EMOTION... WHO GOT THE INSURANCE MONEY???
Setup...How did the other driver know it was a mother and daughter in the car?
I agreee
The mother might have been plotted on
This world is trash... Its not going to hell we are already in hell.
Far from it doomer. Go back to 1800s or matter of fact go to the early 1900s you lowlife -_- GO FIND A JOB!
Got that right
Nah the world is the best it's ever been. All the BS you see on TV and internet is just a small fraction. We are living the best the human
Race ever has.
@@ted.the.human1 soon the world will crash into the sun R.I.P us
@@austincowie6950 Ok Doomer
This is such a tragic loss. I really don't understand why some people take things so personal when driving. Just let it go! You will probably never run into that person the rest of your life.
He didn't shoot her because of road rage. Google the story. There's more to it.
SMH this lady went looking for trouble!! She made it home safely!!
Right. And if you're moving "at a snails pace" dont get angry when people try to go around you... Like?!? Duh. O
@@ayten3617 Very true.
This is how I learned to drive too. I can’t believe someone would kill someone just because of road rage
Here in Arizona you’re required to have a certain number of hours driving at night before you can get your license. The way they question this poor girl is cruel. It makes it seem like it was completely her fault.
This is heartbreaking. I live in Vegas as well & it's so important to be patient while driving. ESPECIALLY in this town & NEVER drive home if you're being followed. Always drive to a police station or somewhere highly active with people around.
Ria Rose So True! Never let a stalker know where you live by letting him follow you home.
Yeah never try to piss people off in traffic in a crazy big city haha
@@justin5033 Vegas is actually such a small city so it makes sense that the guy could easy follow them and unfortunately most people don’t think rationally in high tense situations like this
@@justin5033 Shut Up ldiot
@@justin5033 what's funny????
I smell something fishy here. Maybe just paranoid because I watch Forensic Files a lot.
Little Rissole I relate to this on a deep level 😂
I was searching the comments for someone who has that sense too 😅😂
They drug dealers fo sho
Doing a little bit of reading up on it
news3lv.com/archive/erich-nowsch-confesses-to-killing-vegas-mom-in-recordings
Girl I said the exact same thing I think we trippin lol I hope so
Here in Arizona you’re required to have a certain number of hours driving at night before you can get your license. The way they question this poor girl is cruel. It makes it seem like it was completely her fault.
I was just thinking the same thing. My son had to have I want to say 25 hrs of night driving?
How would they even know the time you spent driving at night?
i work at a teen/adult driving school its a requirement here in california as well
I did the same thing took my children at night because it was less cars on the road then we could find parking spots that wasn't crowded. I kept the cones in the trunk of the car that way I could teach them how to park. So I understand why she went at night. It's a shame that we have to live in a society where you have to pick and choose what time you go outside. I pray that they find this person. My condolence to your family
Wish they would have called the police and not went home
Everyone in the comments are detectives out of nowhere
@JOE SIX PACK thank you joe six pack?
Out of nowhere? That's some assumption.
If someone is watching this video wouldn't you think it's a topic that they're interested in, so more than likely will have an opinion?
🤣
This just goes to show that being a detective is natural and being a dumbass isn't
That daughter will never forget that moment of her mom dying in front of her that breaks my heart 💔
She shouldn't ever forget her mom, she's the reason why her mom died.
I remember talking to my fathers body last year. Just a crazy emotional experience. It was as if he understood and was about to reply.
I'm from Vegas, I learned how to drive late at night and I also taught mine late at night... We're both great drivers. Vegas is just so bad now which is why I left 2 years ago
Soon as I heard he was calling TV stations.... guilty as hell...
John Bianchi stop blaming them . news3lv.com/archive/erich-nowsch-confesses-to-killing-vegas-mom-in-recordings
LMAO!!! Whatcha think now🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Facts
@Mango Roxx you deserve it
Lisbeth Xiong Escobar thanks for that comment
My dad taught me to drive at night when I was 13 in the early 80s. It was parking lots and empty highways. It was great. Wonderful memories when the road had fewer lunatics.
Me too
You mean when the world had a few lunatics
Man I’m so sorry, I literally know what it feels like to loose my mom, Watching her bleed out, it’s traumatizing
sorry you went through that
My mum taught me to drive at night, she has passed now but I thank God it was not like this.
Condolences to this family especially the daughter, we have the same name and this situation makes old memories return.. i cant imagine how she feels seeing that unfold. I don't think I'd ever want to drive after this tbh.
I also used to honk at shitty drivers and had a bad run in with someone. They threatened my life, I stopped honking unless absolutely necessary. Sending love and peace to this family, may justice be served 💕
So while driving home, he calls the media to give them an interview? Because" I didn't want to freeze out the media" something's wrong here people!
Willi six why?
@@bellakatherman1477 because none of that story makes any sense, all of them are lying, watch it again
I agree
Call the media??? That’s not what a normal rational person with no prior knowledge of the incident would do.
They're trying to save face for their Mom & Wife that's why.. It's because of how foolish & immature Mrs. Meyer looks in all this she lost her life over acting like a OVERGROWN 5 YEAR OLD...Remember the Rhyme Sticks & Stones can Break My Bones but NAMES CAN NEVER HURT ME!! ....Mrs. Meyer's & her Daughter ONLY HAD "WORD'S" with the Guy earlier in that parking lot when his Rap Music was too loud for Mrs. Meyer remember the the Guy who was Convicted for murdering the teenager for playing rap music too loud.. Mrs. Meyer & her Daughter MADE IT HOME SAFELY but Mrs. Meyer was STILL FUMING about that Guy and what his "WORD'S" so mad she told her son he got a gun Mr. Meyer CHOSE to GO BACK OUT LOOKING FOR THAT GUY.. Unfortunately she was shot & killed that just makes her LOOK FOOLISH & IMMATURE if it was my family member I'd be very sad but I'd know if she would have stayed home she wouldn't have been killed...
When being chased in a car by an armed road rager, DO NOT drive to your house, and DO NOT drive into a cul-de-sac.
Thanks captain fuckin obvious.
I used to carry a . 38 special. A fool got after me one night. I pulled over and got out gun in hand. He couldn't leave fast enough. I guess he didn't want trouble after all.
@@user-wickedflower haha lol yes girl 😂🤜🤛
I lived in Las Vegas for 40 years, it's an unbelievably dangerous city, just honking at someone is all it takes.
I lost my mom at 16….it changes ur life forever. I’m so sorry for this family.
That's why i don't blow my horn at people you never know what someone is thinking you just don't know people are crazy
And it's just disrespectful
Good thing people can get a concealed carry permit, I plan on getting one because, as you said, you just never know.
Pussy
If you dont know how to drive and you're in my vicinity, you're gonna know about it. Now if someone wants to hop out and get crazy, its gonna be a fun day.
@@niggaback ngl I got kind of annoyed when she said she honked as he drove by...like I felt a physical reaction as if it were me she honked at lol
8:09 "I didn't want my baby to suffer............but I didn't want her to go, either."
I had to make that decision 2 years ago. It's the most heartbreaking thing I've ever had to do. The guilt is overwhelming, even though I know there was no other choice.
RIP Kristal.....and my condolences to the Meyers' family.
It’s such a guilt it hurts and it won’t stop! I feel you
Praying for you
Read this just as he said that.😔😟
Man this generation is terrible man all these crazy killing for no reason man it’s not safe nowhere man sad 😞 Rest In Peace too that mother
That poor man. That was his best friend. Bless his heart.
I remember when this happened. Something still doesn’t add up. I hope the family is finding peace and hope we one day get some answers
Yea they didn’t tell the whole story here…
@@madisonpatriarca6690 the daughter has sum to do with it.
@@remycdg6889 totally agree
@@remycdg6889 what-? Really?
They literally finally broke the truth about what ACTUALLY happened here… and people are still speculating 🤔
Nobody will ever understand how hard it is to pull the plug on a loved one! Its devastating because you just want them to live but not suffer or be a vegetable.. I've had to go through this before
1. Don't honk at people who overtake you. That just annoys them more and those people are unhinged.
2. If someone is chasing you, don't lead them to your home. Drive to the police station.
3. If you're teaching someone to drive, put a sign on your car so other drivers are aware.
Oh man this broke my heart, the poor kids and husband. Praying for this family 🤙🏼🤙🏼
The dad acts like he knows something...
That’s pretty sad, I can’t believe there is always so much hate in the world.
Not that hard to believe. Im sure you hate everyone as everyone else does. This is a money hungry country. Land of "fuck you i got mine"
We love you Ma'am and I/we feel your family's pain. RIP.
As a parent who is about to hand keys to my daughter to teach her. It makes total sense to go early morning or when roads empty at night. That's close to home so the danger of other cars or hitting others in traffic is reduced. This is a sad situation and it breaks my heart
SMH the mother went looking for Trouble.. she made it home safely with her daughter.. but then she tells her son to come outside and he brings a gun!! Then they go LOOKING FOR THE SO CALLED ROAD RAGE CAR
Something is really shady about this whole incident.
I find weirder they did it at 10:00 at night I just find that weird
thunderdome rush blue I agree. Especially because the dad said something along the lines of “we live in Las Vegas, it’s a 24 hour city” just seems really odd to me.
I took my kids out driving at night. You want them to do it alone the first time?
Vicki Gjesvold In the video it says it was her first driving lesson, just doesn’t seem like the best idea to do your first lesson at night. Obviously I don’t think you should drive at night alone for the first time, I had to. It was horrifying. But just seems odd to me.
I'm thinking who sideswiped who?
There's more to this story, if my mom is dying in front of me, the only thing I will do is calling 911. Not calling my dad or the news???
MyPrincessa 2 fuck no, call 911 then the parent. I’d much rather them be saved first, and then let the parent know.
Why not try and catch the killer
The brother called the police first
because this is what really happened. news3lv.com/archive/erich-nowsch-confesses-to-killing-vegas-mom-in-recordings
@BuckGreywolfe yeah, thats typically how people do shit. Facts and context? We dont need no stinking facts and context! React/get outraged: learn facts later (if at all).
This has been a educational and life saving story thank you for it
R.I.P. so sorry for your loss 🙏🏼
Nearly collided with her car????? Didn’t they say they side swiped the car? Something weird going on.
SHARK BITE your comment makes no sense
You can sideswipe and almost collided it’s not that difficult
Jay Furler AK
Fuck, seriously?
That's awful.
Addiction can happen to anyone, but it doesn't come often to take someone's life like this.
I feel for the family.
lol lol I purposely honked at cars when I’m in the passengers seat (valid reasons) when my friend is too shy to do it
My heart goes out to this whole family.. I can only imagine and it still breaks my heart
We started being followed by a man on the freeway one night when I had my son getting his hours in after he went through driver's ed. I had my son get off the freeway and that man kept following. I was in a neighboring city. I had him switch seats with me, neither of us getting out of the car. I drove us to the police station and that driver followed us all the way. I ran in and yelled to them that the man was following me. It turned out he was an off duty officer. He said my son was driving erratic. He saw he was young. He saw us change seats. He still followed us even after that. This was before cell phones.
If she said at an empty parking lot at school she could have just went in the morning on the weekend to this empty parking lot but at night to practice driving no way my kid can convince me to let her drive at night no way
Friends we gather here again to mourn this loss and send a prayer out to this family. I'll see you all back five years from now to do this again.
This is really beautiful. Bless you.
Nah this sounds like a set up. None of this sounds right. The dad is out of town and refers to her as "that woman" and then he calls the media before anyone reaches out to him? Weird. Ya something is not right.
I just found out it was her drug dealer who did it
Logan Hensley Exactly ! The first thing I noticed is how the girl says this guy gets out of the car and says,"I'm gonna kill you and your daughter" ! How in the world would he know their relation. Yeah, sounds like some bullshit.
He didn't call her "that woman" he said, and I quote, "I'm speechless. I've been with this woman 25 years." 5:10
Girl, you're making shit up in your head.
The mom and/or family was involved with buying prescription drugs from the shooter. The family is not innocent in any way and they paid the price for it. The son USED to be friends with the shooter. Speculation but I don't think the father really knew what was going on because he was not at home often with his job selling trinkets from his truck at far away locations. As for him calling news stations on news of his wife getting shot, you have to realize he was racing home from California and had hours and hours ahead of him driving alone. Between the updates from his daughter and son, and from the police, with his mind racing while hes just driving alone and waiting, its not surprising he chose to get the media involved to help to try to catch the shooter who just killed his wife. But...who knows.
@WubzZ 1026 yeah there was alot more to this story it wasn't her dealer it was a little kid who was selling for her and were guessing owed her money they went after him the mother and son and he shot at them to defend himself she was killed in the gun fire lol just goes to show there is always another side to every " story lol
I feel amber when someone does something rude on the road but i do my best not to honk unless it prevents someone from hitting me. You really don't know who is behind the wheel and how nuts they are.
This is really sad. I’m so sorry for their family. Mamma bear did good raising a beautiful family. Sending them love
There's something weird here🤔
Definitely
Yeah the weird thing is my girlfriends mom got killed
She side swiped him
UG Musiq he said swipe her
@@ligmaballs4209 she's lying...that guy had all the reactions of someone with road rage and got hit...or either the husband set it up.. or he owed gambling debts. Take ur pic. I think she is lying.
Personally..if I just had words with a person with road rage...I would had driven to the police department not my home!And how did the shooter know it was mother and daughter. 🤔
One is 44 one is 15, they are together at a later time of the night. What would you suspect they were?
Ya feel me?
The man knew it was mother n daughter one of to ways. He studied the victim’s home, car, family, etc... or he was paid by a friend or family member to take her out. In which he studied his victim any way. Either way, he busted himself by saying that. Otherwise, at night with headlights shining in his face, would he know whether it was her mother, aunt, grandma, cousin, older sister, or a family friend she might be spending the night with ? Fishy ? Not until we know all of the evidence. Sometimes there is info that lies beneath the surface. Secrets held etc...
Task Force Guy - over n out
Right
OMG! Had a crazy incident myself on a dark road on Thanksgiving. No guns, but terrifying, chased, and side-swiped. You never know what tapping the horn might trigger. 😰
I heard you should never honk your horn.It enrages them more.
What happened. This girl said she knew who did it and why and she turned them in. I wish I could get the end of this clip
What kind of sick, cruel world is this?!!
How did the person know that was her daughter
Shawn Futch exactly. This is weird
The entire story. The dad is acting strange. Showing up with 2 cars? It's clear they said came back, then followed them. The husband seems guilty
Exactly how would he know that’s her daughter
If he sees an older women and a younger girl in a car, you can assume it was mom and daughter. Are you saying you never have seen what you presumed what is a mom and daughter?
Illuminati Confrimed
...maybe he stalks them?
biggest BS story I ever heard
the husband is involved
Could be insurance money
i think so too....
right you are that's why he was out of town conviently and there was video footage of the shooters cruising by the house before they even left....pretty obvious. Lesson here don't have children their just get you killed
😂😂😂
@th3 Envyp awaiting your rebuttal btw I don't know your gender so which ever the case take it like a man
I learned to drive late at night in a nearby elementary school parking light.
Shame on this news team for blaming the victim.
“I’m going to kill you and your daughter” If he sad that off rip, I’m wondering how he knew that was her daughter..
When. I was learning to drive, my driving lessons included night lessons, as my instructor said I had to learn how to drive at night too. Question how did he know they was mother and daughter????? 🤔🤔
Reading this article, he knew of the family;
news3lv.com/archive/erich-nowsch-confesses-to-killing-vegas-mom-in-recordings
The honking was to signal the killer. The daughter is lying. How the killer knew that was daughter and mom. Suspicious.
Fuck man you don't trust anybody huh
A Chubby Dog 😂😂😂😂😂😂bruhhhhhh got trust issues
Dude the probably just assumed it was her mom, like most of us will......
theirs more to this story then said,
ialso feel it was a set up..
and lies are being told...
i wouldnt be suprised if father was
in on this or both him and the daughter wow
My deepest Condolence to the family and loved ones R.I.P.
This seems fishy
I'm so very sorry for your terrible loss.
Im so sorry for your families loss!!!! My prayers are going out to your whole family.
3.5 years later im just now seeing this video. my heart goes out to their entire family, i will keep them in my prayers
I experienced road rage, my sister was in the car and the witch refused to call 911. She calls her boyfriend instead, whose busy with his kids. I wanted to smack her around. The stupidity.
Wait, how did a stranger know a mother and daughter were together?
Getting somewhere 5 minutes faster isn’t worth someone’s life. Terrible. I can’t imagine.
Exactly. Never worth to argue with someone who might have nothing to live for.
The daughter knows something about this she is not telling the truth .,, something is fishy here
could be your p,**y that stinks coming from
I sadly agree
It actually was the moms pill dealer. A 20 year old or something. They got into an altercation and went to his house, then they brought a gun and had the son try to get in a fight with the drug dealer.
Anyway....the kid got charged with murder but the mom was totally a huge part of it bringing a gun to start a fight with their dealer.
That's exactly what I said daughter lying as usual
@@sharonrevelle4401 if she was black u would say otherwise
It is sad! There are insane people on the streets. Rest in peace lovely lady. Lord give peace to her family.
I learned to drive at night and I did the same to my stepdaughter. Less traffic and quiet. It's like we cant go out at night anymore what a dangerous world we live nowadays
The dad is super fishy he knows a lot more than he’s giving up
I didn't get that feeling from him, and I'm a paranoid person.
Yup. I’m not thinking of calling the media on my way home.
This broke my heart 😖 I can't imagine living without out my wife she's my best friend.
I could live without your wife...
I have honked the horn just like the daughter did and my mom always yells at me and gets so scared she tells me to stop because that’s dangerous we could get killed and this just made my blood boil Omg so sad
🙏😢😢😢😭 praying for everyone 💞
The first thing you learn in school is to when you’re being chased don’t go back to your house lmao
If somebody says they are going to kill you then they start following you, just drive to the police station
The love for her is so hurtful. It hurts me too😭 I'm glad they found justice
What a gutless coward, I'm so sorry for this families loss. Such a senseless crime.
Who could do this. This is horrible.
Flamethrower270+ He could
Flamethrower270 actually her drug dealer did.
Never go out at night without a weapon. I keep a 9mm under the seat.
Keep it on your lap
Mikevdog damn
@@dylanherring8054 niether in some US states but it's still done
I keep a .40 I’m knocking em down
I go with nothing, in the Netherlands we don’t do this shit fuck guns
My deepest condolences to this family ❤️
So Senseless RIP Tammy
There seems to be a lot more to this story that we will probably never know. I wouldn't trust the daughter.
SueDunMc - 5019 sad you blame the victim smh news3lv.com/archive/erich-nowsch-confesses-to-killing-vegas-mom-in-recordings
@@lisbethxiongescobar3590 just because she didnt do it, doesnt mean she wasn't involved
Thats what I'm thinking also why did she take off after accident mom could have told her to pull over or go to a poilce Station or fire department
@@lisbethxiongescobar3590 why because it's facts her mom was involved telling her to take off from a accident
Something doesn’t seem right
When the dad breaks down I almost cried! Good man working taking care of family and his wife does while just trying to raise her kids and teach them well making great memories! Ruined by someone who probably never had parents or even a parent that taught the value of life! Hurt people hurt people but what kind of person kills over something so petty! Words can’t explain. Road rage is when you have a run in with a psychotic unstable person! Point blank period!
🙄how many people don't have parents and American Dream lives because these kinds of people have stolen all the resources and opportunities so They can have them 🤔😒
They really should have taught y'all what about the indigenous curses awaiting you here as you all emigrated to the amerikkkan dream
My condolences to the family.
Blessings and prayers 🙏
This story has some truths missing!!
apparently she was killed by her drug dealer. i believe it, this story has so many plot holes.
The mom and her son had been buying drugs from the man and they got into an altercation and the son shot at the man and his friends.
Generic White Male Link to the information please. Otherwise this is no better than Wikipedia.
Chandler Morrow Link go information please. Don’t just throw out a theory without evidence.
Exactly, how did he know that it was mother and daughter?
I live in Vegas and I'm shocked
jasmine macias same
jasmine macias the fuck really?
jasmine macias you shouldn't be!
you’re shocked that this would happen in this shithole lawless city? Worst people in the fucking world guy lmao.
Vegas is a shithole. Lived there for awhile. Once you do everything on the strip it’s just a shit hole with a bunch of shitty ass conceited drug addicted alcoholics.
Wtf is wrong with people!? Beyond ridiculous and horribly tragic.
If someone ever says they are going to kill you, take them absolutely serious, and call the police asap, and drive to an open store with people around or the police station.