Thank you. As a casual photographer for whom Leicas have always been out of reach, I am very intrigued by the D-LUX 8, and have absorbed much of the online analysis. The concerns raised in the MacFilos post casued me to look instead at the D-LUX 7 and Typ 109, but I did not enjoy where the cold logic of missing zoom functions was leading me. However your answer provided the simple observation that had escaped me: those functions are a Panasonic thing, not a Leica thing. Every brand has its own signature, which may include different functions and priorities. To me, a design philosophy which elevates the photography experience above a clutter of handy tricks and shortcuts, is more important than megapixels and burst rates. Thank you for reminding me of that.
The zoom issue isn't sn issue as far as I and probably a lot of people. If fact I would still go out and buy the LX100 even though it lacks the Oled viewfinder if the D-lux 8, and the difference in price would allow for a spot of travel, or the purchase of a few 7artisans lenses or a Lumix 15mm f1.7 Summilux for my Lumix M43 bodies
It's so nice to listen to David. He has so much knowledge of the cameras and the history. I watched a video the other day, by some youngster RUclips influencer telling me all about how Panasonic has HELPED LEICA design all their modern lenses, including the lens on the D-Lux 8 and the lens on the Q3! Panasonic helped Leica design a lens?? How ignorant can you be? So it's refreshing to hear our leaders of the photographic world who actually know the the history of photography talk about the new gear as it is released. And talk about it in context of what has come before.
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I am on the waitlist and can’t wait to have this camera. It checks every box for my needs. I have read so many people how disappointed they are and the fact that not much has change. However, there is something to say about not changing something that just works. Leica have updated what they needed to and left things alone that did not need changing.
We have now achieved a culture that only looks for defects in new products. In some cases, we look for supposed errors based on personal preferences. In addition, the usual reviews only contain a list of all the specs that I can read anyway, which basically makes them obsolete.
I could not agree more and this is why I took that "controversy" (what a bs) as a starting point for my youtube channel. This "culture" is at the core of our society's and in the end of our planetary situation. Refinement is not seen as an upgrade, "killer updates" are expected and if they "fail" to materialize that device is written down. I have always loved Leica but at this moment in time I "cannot" afford a Q3 (my dream camera) in the sense that such an investment will not improve the quality of my photography as much and I will therefore wait. In the end, as you do not ask a chef which knives, spoons, and pots/pans sHe uses it is the photo that makes the difference. But then, we are humans and we love beautiful things. Thank you very much for your comment and I hope to "see" (read) you more often here. 😀
Spot on and toda raba. Just bought one and I love the iq, size and feel. Makes me love shooting again, more than anything I’ve shot with…and especially the results.
I have 0 knowledge of photography. My girlfriend, however, is a professional photographer, I love watching her do her job, and for sometime I wanted to participate with her. I bought the leica dlux8… IT HAS BEEN A BLAST. As a total amateur (with her guidance) I have had so much fun shooting i dont care for anything else. Leica dlux8 is fun.
I’ve decided for the Fuji X100 VI instead of the D-Lux 8, because: (a) the Fuji takes better shots at 35mm, (b) the Leica is basically an f/3.4-5.6 FF equivalent lens which means sacrificing shallow depth of field. (c) Fuji’s 40MP APS-C sensor can take 70mm FF equivalent shots by cropping in post to give a 10MP image, which is still usable but only just. So all I’d be giving up is the Leica’s wide end, but that’s okay, because I can just stitch together panorama’s for wide-angled landscape/architecture shots.
I said in my video I do not compare the X100VI because this is a different camera, a different level. The 8 is my everyday camera in case I see something, instead of a smartphone as many people do today. The FF is my main camera replacing the Canon R5.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH I’m the kind of person who likes to solve problems (even when doing photography) and if I’m not mistaken you are completely the opposite. But, I hope that doesn’t mean we can’t have a ‘beer’ together. :-) I understand your use-case, because you keep repeating it, but what you don’t do is explain why the Leica is even necessary when you have the Fuji, which creates a puzzle that my brain just loves to solve…sorry, but that’s just me. Here’s my solution to the puzzle: Firstly, despite the fact that the Fuji has workarounds that can surmount its lack of zoom e.g. by cropping or stitching images, I’m guessing that you think such workarounds would get in the way of your creative process as a photographer. I think you just want to be in the moment and such workarounds considerations would be a distraction. Secondly, you know enough about photography to realise that short-depth of field is a lazy man’s way of subject isolation to tell a story…a good photographer can tell the same or even a better story with better choice of subject, better composition, and perfect timing. So I’m guessing that you’ve calculated that you don’t won’t need short depth of field. Thirdly, I’m guessing that for you, the Leica body/lens/button/menu design AND its small size simply fits your hands and brain like a glove…it feels great and this somehow translates into your enjoyment when using it as your EDC. Fourthly, I think you really value the wide 24mm for street photography (for which the Fuji has no workaround). Lastly, I think you secretly wish that it had a larger sensor with more megapixels in the same small body because then it would be your perfect camera for work and EDC, but you’ve rationalised that it would make the camera bigger, you know it’s not an option so you remain content. So how did I do? Have I solved the problem correctly…is this why you use the Leica as your EDC and Fuji for work? If I did okay, then I can guess why you’re using the Fuji instead of Leica Q3 (which on paper should be your perfect camera). Is it because it’s simply too big and heavy? If that’s your reason for not using the Q3, then I guessing that your creative process requires you to be fast, nimble and discrete? Which means you’re a proper old-school street photographer.
@@GodfreyMann Hello Godfrey 😀 Quite to the contrary, if and whenever possible, I would love to have a beer together. 😀 I AM all about solving problems which is why I switched the way I switched. First of all, thanks so much for this very thoughtful, excellent, and detailed analysis. You have a lot of valid points but my work is boudoir photography, indoor, natural light, and closer distances. I increasingly need "lighter" cameras and since I really thought about Leica's Q line, I went for the FFX100VI because - spec-wise - it is extremely close to the Q2 (at a fraction of the price) and ticks all my boxes. A closer analysis of my photos showed most of my photography is happening in this "range", pun intended. So, the CR5 weight and the bulk of all the lenses PLUS the fact that we (my wife is a model and started photography, too) travel a lot, made a switch even more necessary and vital. I lost a lot of money but better sooner than later since I saw the R5 II already on the horizon. The FFX100VI has so many useful updates, IBIS, 40MP sensor which ticks all my boxes PLUS a very classic AND minimalistic design concept very akin to Leica's. You ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, Leica's Q concept, also the design and minimalism is EXTREMELY appealing and I am sure, some time in the not too distant future I will switch to Leica Q3 or the successor model - even though ... the lens size ... The LDL8 is my EDC because I AM a passionate photographer and as much as I love my job, my photography is not limited to this area. The 8 is superior to any smartphone, small enough to be always with me and now, finally, in body, design, and handling a true Leica. I enjoy our discussion very much and if you want to, we can also facetime, or talk on google chat to avoid the time lag here. Thanks so much again and take care 😀
I just got my D Lux 8..I love it! I walked into a local Leica store and they had 1 available! Took a few photos and they look great! I have a lot to learn about this little camera, but I’m excited!
I think the D-Lux 8 is going to be my next camera. I used to own the Panasonic LX100 and then the MkII and those cameras were by far my most used. I loved just about everything about those cameras and the D-Lux 8 is a continuation on the Lumix. It's more Leica now but still has a fair amount of Panasonic inside it which is a good thing. It looks like Panasonic are not going to release a new verson of the LX100 camera so I'm saving up for the Leica. I have always wanted a Leica Q3 or M camera so this will be my entry into the world of Leica. Can't wait!!!
A brilliant video about this camera. On my last long-distance trip I decided to buy a compact camera that I could take with me even when I dont't want to carry my camera backpack the whole time. I have the X100V. But this camera is too big for this purpose. It also has no zoom. Otherwise there is nothing else on the market that would fit from my point of view. I like the overall package of the D-Lux. It seems ideal for my purpose and the price is okay for what is offered. The only alternative might be the potential successor to the Sony RX100 VII. But this is pure speculation at the moment.
In my most recent video I actually compare the DL8 to the SonyR100VII and you will be surprised how much better the Leica is. Please find under my video a link with a spec comparison.
One of my all time favourite compacts for street & B&W, is the D-Lux 4 which I still use a lot to this day. A game changer for me on the newer models would be the inclusion of a flip out screen. I find that one feature so useful for shooting more discreetly with some of my other cameras. As for dorks who say it should have phase detect, 40 MP, blah, blah, blah - even my old model 4 is light years ahead of what renowned photographers were shooting with back in the day 😊
I could not agree more. Yes, a flip screen would be nice but then, I knew there is none. Does this result in a bad camera?I PARTICULARLY love your last sentence because this is what I say so often. Thank you very much!
@@DAVCOHGRAPH The flip out screen would increase dimensions marginally & possibly be a potential point of failure with several years of usage, which is probably why Leica give it a miss. But listening to some of these bells & whistles addicts - it’s almost like nobody ever took a decent photo with a digital camera before, let’s say 2014 😀😀😀
Mine arrives tomorrow and very the years I have been with Pentax and Fuji and Nikon and heard lots of comments when new models come out . I was almost deterred and put off by all the negative comments but I have always right or wrongly followed my own intuition and I’m glad I have done . Roll on tomorrow. Great video
Had the Q2 monochrome, the Q3. Both quite big for what they are and with only 28mm too limiting for me. The GR3X nice but boring. Sony RX100 VII is somewhere in a drawer... This one looks interesting, I just wished they would have put a tillable screen in it and some good IBIS. Body grew a bit compared to the 7, so there might have been some space :) and yes regarding comparisons... one can always find something against it or for it. Some just appreciate a camera for what it promises to be and not complaining about things it cannot do. I think it I a neat little camera and will provide a good shooting experience and that is what matters for me
I find the 28mm, which is actually nearer a 24mm field of view, of the Q2 rather too wide and therefore I default my jpegs to the 35mm frame and change that if necessary, either in-camera or crop in post. Mostly also have the raw file as well, so always have the full 24mm FOV and colour even if I shoot jpeg in monochrome with the 50mm crop.
That is also what I say. A camera is a tool. So it is to be used on what it was designed for. If it fits on what you are looking for, get it. I never ask about the video quality. If I want video, I will look for a camcorder.
I really like your comments here. I have several Leicas and love them all. They are mechanical marvels and am proud to own them. I get very tired of constant criticisms and evaluations. I put my money on Leica philosophy.
Thank you for this video. It was definitely very helpful for me and saved me from making a bad purchase. In my opinion, the zoom stops, which you could even save as presets on the Panasonic-based D Lux 5/6/7, are essential. After all, nobody would think of eliminating such focal length markings on a Leica Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-70mm f/2.8.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Possibly Leica's next streamlining brings us the reduction of the shutter speed scale to two letters and an arrow in between: F (fast) on the left and S (slow) on the right 😎
@@phasebook8775 I am always open to reducing clutter where useful, no matter how much "traditionalists" may resent it. Leica is sometimes too conservative here. 😉
Great video sir. Managed to order one today to replace my griiix as my EDC. My Q3 ❤ is too big and expensive to take to work everyday……it will accompany me on hols with my SL3 and a few lenses and will come everywhere with me. Hope I’m not disappointed compared to the GRiiix…….!
Thank you very much. Personally, I will always choose the DL8 over the Ricoh. I could have bought it, before and now but never wanted. I hope you will like it but don't forget to give the camera some time since you switched from the other one.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH of course but I’m so bought into the Q3 and need something I can carry every day (the q3 is too big and expensive) so I’m sure it will be great. Just resurrected my Panasonic LX3 (bought in 1998) the very first iteration of the series to do a comparison…..should be fun!!
I've had a D-Lux 7 and used it for about a month. I liked the colors but didn't love the experience. To me, the redeeming factor is the Summilux lens. Coming from a bunch of Fuji cameras (XPro2, XE4, XT3, XT2) and lenses, I much prefer Fuji. I currently have an X100T and I am very thankful that I traded my Dlux7 with it. The image quality I get from the X100T is cleaner and sharper, in my opinion. Plus I'm a 35mm guy. I've gotten used to having a prime lens. I'm not sure about the Dlux8, since they've improved a lot of things except the size of the sensor and resolution. Now, Leica Q is a different beast altogether. I'm super impressed by its IQ and handling. If I am to purchase another Leica soon, it will be one of the Q models.
There is no way one would compare the DLux8 to a Q3??? As I said in this video, the X100VI is a different camera and therefore I do not see it as a competitor and I do not use it that way. The X100VI has become my main tool replacing the Canon R5 and the DLux8 is my always-on camera. As I once shortly used the Olympus OMD E-M1 II, another m43 camera, I have no resentments against this format. You just need to know how to use it and understand the system.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Sorry, I wasn't comparing it with the Q3. I merely stated that if I am to buy another Leica sometime soon, it will be one of the Q models. I compared the Dlux 7 with X100T. Did not want to get in too deep with the comparison. I just wanted to share my experience and preference. Please don't take it the wrong way.
Ein jeder hat seine eigene Art zu fotografieren, eine Leidenschaft die oft seltsame Wege geht. Ich besitze serviere Kameras mit unterschiedlichen Sensoren. Hatte ein Q2 einmal ausgeliehen und war begeistert, für mich leider zu teuer. Jetzt kommt die LUX8 ums Eck und ich konnte eine sehr plötzlich und nicht lange darüber nachdenkend , eine kaufen, klar günstig ist anders. Aber ich kann sie immer und überall dabei haben.
Abgesehen von Vollformat, ist FFX100VI der LQ2 durchaus vergleichbar, weshalb, vom Preis abgesehen, die Q2 mich nie interessierte. Anders die Q3, die ich wohl in der neuen Version (43mm) mir zulegen werde. LDL8 ist eine grossartige kamera, die beste dieser serie, allerdings keinesfalls in "dieser Liga", aber eine wkl. grossartige Kamera.
once again, the sensor and the lens is the same, both are (still) very good. handling, user interface and menu software/system have been dramatically improved which makes this camera even more enjoyable and awesome to use. I do not have a Q§ and besides, such comparisons do not make sense. As I outlined in my video, this is a premium compact camera.
Ex-x100v user. First I wanted the x100vi but I had to wait too long for it so I canceled my order. This was the chance to think about what the x100v was missing to me: Zoom. And now I am a Leica D-Lux 8 owner and happy with it. More happy than with the x100v.
Hi David. I thought I left a comment yesterday, but I don't see it below. Now I know why. This is a different video. Anyway,I first made the comment that I really appreciated your first post. Welcome. I already had subscribed. I like how direct and honest your approach is and I hope it will continue with that same spirit.
I own D-Lux5 for more than 10 years and I still like it just because it is compact and the room also picture frame size are adjustable, which is quite convenient for street shot so for this reason it is better than the fix room camera like Leica Q. I am interested to buy D-Lux8 since the operation interface is more convienet than last generation, in spite of some criticism about the hardware is old.
Perhaps I am missing something but reviewers of the D-Lux 8 tend to gravitate around it being an everyday carry camera and harp on specs. Very little, if anything, is mentioned about its real-life picture quality and usability in various lighting and other conditions. I own a Leica Q and even if it is two leagues above in terms of optical qualities, some comparison would be helpful in order to properly rank it against the competition. Same applies to pitching it against the Sony RX100 and similar. Thanks nonetheless!
I do not have access to Sony RX100 and different from many others here, my job is photographer and not reviewer. I will post photos shot with the DLux7 and 8 but at the same time, what I am doing here is more about setting the record straight. Please bear with me and you will get to see samples of my Leica and Fuji X100VI photos.
Hi David, thank you for your thoughts on the Leica D-Lux 8, I have not used a compact camera at all, would there be any problems in your opinion with dust being drawn in on to the sensor with a zoom lens such as this, pehaps like the problems I have heard about the GR cameras. I know it could be dealt with easily enough by send it off for cleaning, but I was just wondering if it could be a problem. I have the Lumix GX9 and would certainly upgrade to the Leica D-Lux 8 if I though the image quality was better or much improved on the Leica, even though it has no IBIS I belive? I love to shoot in monochrome so would certainly upgrade to the Leica if better then my GX9. Thank you for you opinion, David
Hello John 😀 I already used the 7 and newer had such problems but then, I really take good care of my equipment and rather keep it inside than risk something. Have you see this cameradecision.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-8-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-GX9? Leica is stabilized which is why I bought it. I will not and cannot use unstabilized cameras (anymore). Funny, with both Leica DLux models I sho(o) a lot more bw than ever before, same with my Fujifilm X100VI. I am sure the Leica DLux8 will be a significant upgrade.
Hi😀 frankly, I don't know and I am wondering the same. I always carry the camera in a bag and I don't shoot in adverse conditions, at best extremely rarely.
Ah too bad… the missing step-zoom is probably a deal-breaker for me ! I think a lot in terms of classic focals. And a lever instead of a ring uses more battery. These decisions by Leica do not make much sense - in my opinion, of course ; I will keep investigating, though…
I am more focused on photography and not all this. What REALLY matters is there, at least for me and many, many others, otherwise the camera would not be sold out. I truly believe we should return to the fact " ... As for dorks who say it should have phase detect, 40 MP, blah, blah, blah - even my old model 4 is light years ahead of what renowned photographers were shooting with back in the day ..." - see above.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Which is why the features of the physical camera and its software are so significant. This camera is capable of recording superb images, albeit with less dynamic range than a full frame camera. It is its size and features that set it apart, not generally its relative picture quality, which is superb and even better in skilled hands and utilising its feature list.
Enjoying the videos 🙂 Just giving sincere feedback on the quality and I have one quality issue! .... The sound quality to my ears is bad, thin, tinny, boxy, hissy highs. Other you tuber videos that I've watched that use Rhode or DJI mics sound great. I'm not affiliated in any way to those btw, just my personal observation that otherwise distracts from a very good presentation. Maybe it's just me but wanted to let you know incase others notice it.
Thank you very much and yes, I know and I have heard about it already. As a matter of fact, I never intended to do that but the Leica DLux8 "controversy" made me start. I currently use the Ulanzi mic detailed under my first video and since my job is photography and not youtuber, I never saw the need to get anything like that. I will certainly not buy DJI for the reasons outlined in my first video but as soon as I have a bit of time to get into that. I hope the sound will not deter you?
Interesting comments . It would be nice to see some of your images taken on the camera. I’ve yet to see anything worthwhile taken on this camera in any of the reviews.
I really will enjoy if you add some of your photography in the video. Better if photos of the camera you talk about, bud just random photos i really appreciated
Although you discount the zoom focal length presets I used it all the time. Easily setting your focal lengths as if you had a bunch of primes. IMO very Leica… Tri Elmar anyone…? I’ll be the guy who’s disappointed they removed it.
@@hedydd2 I have to laugh at Leica removing it especially since they are mostly a fixed lens orientated ecosystem. I mean when pre-visualizing a scene you can pop into the focal length you want and be there as you bring your viewfinder up to your eye. Futzing with a slow zoom after you have the viewfinder to you eye is a sluggish method. Experienced photographers would agree ;) LOL
@@ChongLisDriveThru OBVIOUSLY, you will not define what "experienced photographers" will do. Here is one very experienced who did not use it and could not care less Leica decided to remove it. That is it.
Everyday camera should be in every condition of the day and this camera is not that. This camera may be good on clear sunny days, but no dusty, no fogy, no rainy days and no higher ISO than 1600. It is a point&shoot camera with motorized zoom and will suck dust in the sensor at no time. How do you clean the sensor on a fixed-zoom lens camera? I guess you listen too much on paid gear reviewers, like 3 men and elephants guy. (Him)"Hold your thoughts"! Whatever he reviews are Excellent or Amazing and all of the YT reviewers do the same. I'm glad you got the camera first in you place but I would like to hear your opinion in 6 months about it with dirty sensor and different malfunctions. Sorry!!!
I totally disagree and my opinion(s) have never been influenced by others. You may be "disappointed" to know I owned the DLux7 and never had those problems.
I love the zoom lock and step zooming feature that can be [and is, in my case] set to default to the last used setting when the camera is switched on. I have a D-Lux7 and a Q2 but I have no brand loyalty and use many camera brands. That Leica makes such an excuse for deleting great features that were included on previous models is sad and just because some people do not use the features is no reason to deprive those that do from using it on new models. I don’t care that the D-Lux7 has a more Panasonic style menu system. I am far more concerned that so many features that I currently do use are not available on the 8 and I will not buy that model just for its brand name and simplified menu more suitable for simpletons.
Obviously, people did not use/need it enough for Leica to keep it and as YOU don't care about the actual upgrades, others, me included do and were reason enough, to IMMEDIATELY sell the DL7. Funny, how you attack/hate preach against Leica for implementing their menu also on the DL(. I see no further worth in a discussion with you and will therefore ignore your comments UNLESS you have something substantial and/or constructive to offer. Your aggressive style is beneath me.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH I think there is something very wrong with your attitude to those that vary from your very fixed and aggressively protected viewpoint. You should recognise that you are just one voice and no more important than any other who post their own opinions. As such you are now on my ignore list.
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Thank you. As a casual photographer for whom Leicas have always been out of reach, I am very intrigued by the D-LUX 8, and have absorbed much of the online analysis. The concerns raised in the MacFilos post casued me to look instead at the D-LUX 7 and Typ 109, but I did not enjoy where the cold logic of missing zoom functions was leading me. However your answer provided the simple observation that had escaped me: those functions are a Panasonic thing, not a Leica thing. Every brand has its own signature, which may include different functions and priorities. To me, a design philosophy which elevates the photography experience above a clutter of handy tricks and shortcuts, is more important than megapixels and burst rates. Thank you for reminding me of that.
thank YOU very much 😀 I am glad this video was helpful.
The zoom issue isn't sn issue as far as I and probably a lot of people. If fact I would still go out and buy the LX100 even though it lacks the Oled viewfinder if the D-lux 8, and the difference in price would allow for a spot of travel, or the purchase of a few 7artisans lenses or a Lumix 15mm f1.7 Summilux for my Lumix M43 bodies
@@kiwipics As you please. As far as I am concerned, I am EXTREMELY pleased with this upgrade which really makes it a Leica.
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It's so nice to listen to David. He has so much knowledge of the cameras and the history. I watched a video the other day, by some youngster RUclips influencer telling me all about how Panasonic has HELPED LEICA design all their modern lenses, including the lens on the D-Lux 8 and the lens on the Q3! Panasonic helped Leica design a lens?? How ignorant can you be? So it's refreshing to hear our leaders of the photographic world who actually know the the history of photography talk about the new gear as it is released. And talk about it in context of what has come before.
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I am on the waitlist and can’t wait to have this camera. It checks every box for my needs. I have read so many people how disappointed they are and the fact that not much has change. However, there is something to say about not changing something that just works. Leica have updated what they needed to and left things alone that did not need changing.
I could not agree more and I DO enjoy the update and it HAS BECOME a different camera. I am sure you will love it. 😊
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We have now achieved a culture that only looks for defects in new products. In some cases, we look for supposed errors based on personal preferences. In addition, the usual reviews only contain a list of all the specs that I can read anyway, which basically makes them obsolete.
I could not agree more and this is why I took that "controversy" (what a bs) as a starting point for my youtube channel. This "culture" is at the core of our society's and in the end of our planetary situation. Refinement is not seen as an upgrade, "killer updates" are expected and if they "fail" to materialize that device is written down. I have always loved Leica but at this moment in time I "cannot" afford a Q3 (my dream camera) in the sense that such an investment will not improve the quality of my photography as much and I will therefore wait. In the end, as you do not ask a chef which knives, spoons, and pots/pans sHe uses it is the photo that makes the difference. But then, we are humans and we love beautiful things.
Thank you very much for your comment and I hope to "see" (read) you more often here. 😀
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You really speak common sense. Thank you.
Thank YOU 😊
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Spot on and toda raba. Just bought one and I love the iq, size and feel. Makes me love shooting again, more than anything I’ve shot with…and especially the results.
😀🙌🏽
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I have 0 knowledge of photography. My girlfriend, however, is a professional photographer, I love watching her do her job, and for sometime I wanted to participate with her. I bought the leica dlux8… IT HAS BEEN A BLAST. As a total amateur (with her guidance) I have had so much fun shooting i dont care for anything else. Leica dlux8 is fun.
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I’ve decided for the Fuji X100 VI instead of the D-Lux 8, because:
(a) the Fuji takes better shots at 35mm,
(b) the Leica is basically an f/3.4-5.6 FF equivalent lens which means sacrificing shallow depth of field.
(c) Fuji’s 40MP APS-C sensor can take 70mm FF equivalent shots by cropping in post to give a 10MP image, which is still usable but only just. So all I’d be giving up is the Leica’s wide end, but that’s okay, because I can just stitch together panorama’s for wide-angled landscape/architecture shots.
I said in my video I do not compare the X100VI because this is a different camera, a different level. The 8 is my everyday camera in case I see something, instead of a smartphone as many people do today. The FF is my main camera replacing the Canon R5.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH I’m the kind of person who likes to solve problems (even when doing photography) and if I’m not mistaken you are completely the opposite. But, I hope that doesn’t mean we can’t have a ‘beer’ together. :-)
I understand your use-case, because you keep repeating it, but what you don’t do is explain why the Leica is even necessary when you have the Fuji, which creates a puzzle that my brain just loves to solve…sorry, but that’s just me.
Here’s my solution to the puzzle:
Firstly, despite the fact that the Fuji has workarounds that can surmount its lack of zoom e.g. by cropping or stitching images, I’m guessing that you think such workarounds would get in the way of your creative process as a photographer. I think you just want to be in the moment and such workarounds considerations would be a distraction.
Secondly, you know enough about photography to realise that short-depth of field is a lazy man’s way of subject isolation to tell a story…a good photographer can tell the same or even a better story with better choice of subject, better composition, and perfect timing. So I’m guessing that you’ve calculated that you don’t won’t need short depth of field.
Thirdly, I’m guessing that for you, the Leica body/lens/button/menu design AND its small size simply fits your hands and brain like a glove…it feels great and this somehow translates into your enjoyment when using it as your EDC.
Fourthly, I think you really value the wide 24mm for street photography (for which the Fuji has no workaround).
Lastly, I think you secretly wish that it had a larger sensor with more megapixels in the same small body because then it would be your perfect camera for work and EDC, but you’ve rationalised that it would make the camera bigger, you know it’s not an option so you remain content.
So how did I do? Have I solved the problem correctly…is this why you use the Leica as your EDC and Fuji for work?
If I did okay, then I can guess why you’re using the Fuji instead of Leica Q3 (which on paper should be your perfect camera). Is it because it’s simply too big and heavy? If that’s your reason for not using the Q3, then I guessing that your creative process requires you to be fast, nimble and discrete? Which means you’re a proper old-school street photographer.
Why would anyone want to have a 'beer' with you?
@@GodfreyMann Hello Godfrey 😀 Quite to the contrary, if and whenever possible, I would love to have a beer together. 😀
I AM all about solving problems which is why I switched the way I switched.
First of all, thanks so much for this very thoughtful, excellent, and detailed analysis. You have a lot of valid points but my work is boudoir photography, indoor, natural light, and closer distances. I increasingly need "lighter" cameras and since I really thought about Leica's Q line, I went for the FFX100VI because - spec-wise - it is extremely close to the Q2 (at a fraction of the price) and ticks all my boxes.
A closer analysis of my photos showed most of my photography is happening in this "range", pun intended. So, the CR5 weight and the bulk of all the lenses PLUS the fact that we (my wife is a model and started photography, too) travel a lot, made a switch even more necessary and vital. I lost a lot of money but better sooner than later since I saw the R5 II already on the horizon.
The FFX100VI has so many useful updates, IBIS, 40MP sensor which ticks all my boxes PLUS a very classic AND minimalistic design concept very akin to Leica's.
You ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, Leica's Q concept, also the design and minimalism is EXTREMELY appealing and I am sure, some time in the not too distant future I will switch to Leica Q3 or the successor model - even though ... the lens size ...
The LDL8 is my EDC because I AM a passionate photographer and as much as I love my job, my photography is not limited to this area. The 8 is superior to any smartphone, small enough to be always with me and now, finally, in body, design, and handling a true Leica.
I enjoy our discussion very much and if you want to, we can also facetime, or talk on google chat to avoid the time lag here.
Thanks so much again and take care 😀
@@matthadenmusic I think I'll buy the Leica - just because Godfrey doesn't approve of it.
I just got my D Lux 8..I love it! I walked into a local Leica store and they had 1 available! Took a few photos and they look great! I have a lot to learn about this little camera, but I’m excited!
Thanks for your comment, I am so happy for you 😀 All the best and always good light 😀🙌🏽
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I think the D-Lux 8 is going to be my next camera. I used to own the Panasonic LX100 and then the MkII and those cameras were by far my most used. I loved just about everything about those cameras and the D-Lux 8 is a continuation on the Lumix. It's more Leica now but still has a fair amount of Panasonic inside it which is a good thing. It looks like Panasonic are not going to release a new verson of the LX100 camera so I'm saving up for the Leica. I have always wanted a Leica Q3 or M camera so this will be my entry into the world of Leica. Can't wait!!!
You basically said it all and this was and is my point. I hope you will get your DLux8 soon and would love to hear more about your experience.
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A brilliant video about this camera. On my last long-distance trip I decided to buy a compact camera that I could take with me even when I dont't want to carry my camera backpack the whole time. I have the X100V. But this camera is too big for this purpose. It also has no zoom. Otherwise there is nothing else on the market that would fit from my point of view. I like the overall package of the D-Lux. It seems ideal for my purpose and the price is okay for what is offered. The only alternative might be the potential successor to the Sony RX100 VII. But this is pure speculation at the moment.
In my most recent video I actually compare the DL8 to the SonyR100VII and you will be surprised how much better the Leica is. Please find under my video a link with a spec comparison.
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One of my all time favourite compacts for street & B&W, is the D-Lux 4 which I still use a lot to this day. A game changer for me on the newer models would be the inclusion of a flip out screen. I find that one feature so useful for shooting more discreetly with some of my other cameras. As for dorks who say it should have phase detect, 40 MP, blah, blah, blah - even my old model 4 is light years ahead of what renowned photographers were shooting with back in the day 😊
I could not agree more. Yes, a flip screen would be nice but then, I knew there is none. Does this result in a bad camera?I PARTICULARLY love your last sentence because this is what I say so often. Thank you very much!
@@DAVCOHGRAPH The flip out screen would increase dimensions marginally & possibly be a potential point of failure with several years of usage, which is probably why Leica give it a miss. But listening to some of these bells & whistles addicts - it’s almost like nobody ever took a decent photo with a digital camera before, let’s say 2014 😀😀😀
@@nosher_4114 yep ...
Mine arrives tomorrow and very the years I have been with Pentax and Fuji and Nikon and heard lots of comments when new models come out .
I was almost deterred and put off by all the negative comments but I have always right or wrongly followed my own intuition and I’m glad I have done .
Roll on tomorrow. Great video
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Had the Q2 monochrome, the Q3. Both quite big for what they are and with only 28mm too limiting for me. The GR3X nice but boring. Sony RX100 VII is somewhere in a drawer... This one looks interesting, I just wished they would have put a tillable screen in it and some good IBIS. Body grew a bit compared to the 7, so there might have been some space :) and yes regarding comparisons... one can always find something against it or for it. Some just appreciate a camera for what it promises to be and not complaining about things it cannot do. I think it I a neat little camera and will provide a good shooting experience and that is what matters for me
exactly!
I find the 28mm, which is actually nearer a 24mm field of view, of the Q2 rather too wide and therefore I default my jpegs to the 35mm frame and change that if necessary, either in-camera or crop in post. Mostly also have the raw file as well, so always have the full 24mm FOV and colour even if I shoot jpeg in monochrome with the 50mm crop.
That is also what I say. A camera is a tool. So it is to be used on what it was designed for. If it fits on what you are looking for, get it. I never ask about the video quality. If I want video, I will look for a camcorder.
Exactly what I say. 😀🙌🏽
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I really like your comments here. I have several Leicas and love them all. They are mechanical marvels and am proud to own them. I get very tired of constant criticisms and evaluations. I put my money on Leica philosophy.
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Thank you for this video. It was definitely very helpful for me and saved me from making a bad purchase. In my opinion, the zoom stops, which you could even save as presets on the Panasonic-based D Lux 5/6/7, are essential. After all, nobody would think of eliminating such focal length markings on a Leica Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-70mm f/2.8.
Thank you for the feedback. Nevertheless, we are still talking about 2 very different things.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Possibly Leica's next streamlining brings us the reduction of the shutter speed scale to two letters and an arrow in between: F (fast) on the left and S (slow) on the right 😎
@@phasebook8775 I am always open to reducing clutter where useful, no matter how much "traditionalists" may resent it. Leica is sometimes too conservative here. 😉
@@DAVCOHGRAPH 😊👍
Been waiting for this
thank you 😊
Another excellent, straightforward discussion, David. Your calm and rational approach to all of this is refreshing.
Thank you very much Peter 😀
I loved your review ! Nononse and straight to the subject ! Greatings, take care, Roger ;-)
Thank you very much Roger 😀
Hey David.. Really like your thoughts here. Balanced and fair, I appreciate it!
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Great video sir. Managed to order one today to replace my griiix as my EDC. My Q3 ❤ is too big and expensive to take to work everyday……it will accompany me on hols with my SL3 and a few lenses and will come everywhere with me. Hope I’m not disappointed compared to the GRiiix…….!
Thank you very much. Personally, I will always choose the DL8 over the Ricoh. I could have bought it, before and now but never wanted. I hope you will like it but don't forget to give the camera some time since you switched from the other one.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH of course but I’m so bought into the Q3 and need something I can carry every day (the q3 is too big and expensive) so I’m sure it will be great. Just resurrected my Panasonic LX3 (bought in 1998) the very first iteration of the series to do a comparison…..should be fun!!
@@kenmonahan9924 All the best 😀
I've had a D-Lux 7 and used it for about a month. I liked the colors but didn't love the experience. To me, the redeeming factor is the Summilux lens. Coming from a bunch of Fuji cameras (XPro2, XE4, XT3, XT2) and lenses, I much prefer Fuji. I currently have an X100T and I am very thankful that I traded my Dlux7 with it. The image quality I get from the X100T is cleaner and sharper, in my opinion. Plus I'm a 35mm guy. I've gotten used to having a prime lens. I'm not sure about the Dlux8, since they've improved a lot of things except the size of the sensor and resolution. Now, Leica Q is a different beast altogether. I'm super impressed by its IQ and handling. If I am to purchase another Leica soon, it will be one of the Q models.
There is no way one would compare the DLux8 to a Q3??? As I said in this video, the X100VI is a different camera and therefore I do not see it as a competitor and I do not use it that way. The X100VI has become my main tool replacing the Canon R5 and the DLux8 is my always-on camera. As I once shortly used the Olympus OMD E-M1 II, another m43 camera, I have no resentments against this format. You just need to know how to use it and understand the system.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Sorry, I wasn't comparing it with the Q3. I merely stated that if I am to buy another Leica sometime soon, it will be one of the Q models. I compared the Dlux 7 with X100T. Did not want to get in too deep with the comparison. I just wanted to share my experience and preference. Please don't take it the wrong way.
@@vitvel No, I did not and thanks for your comment, now I understand. I can't say anything about the X100T since the VI is my very first FF EVER.
Ein jeder hat seine eigene Art zu fotografieren, eine Leidenschaft die oft seltsame Wege geht. Ich besitze serviere Kameras mit unterschiedlichen Sensoren. Hatte ein Q2 einmal ausgeliehen und war begeistert, für mich leider zu teuer. Jetzt kommt die LUX8 ums Eck und ich konnte eine sehr plötzlich und nicht lange darüber nachdenkend , eine kaufen, klar günstig ist anders. Aber ich kann sie immer und überall dabei haben.
Abgesehen von Vollformat, ist FFX100VI der LQ2 durchaus vergleichbar, weshalb, vom Preis abgesehen, die Q2 mich nie interessierte. Anders die Q3, die ich wohl in der neuen Version (43mm) mir zulegen werde. LDL8 ist eine grossartige kamera, die beste dieser serie, allerdings keinesfalls in "dieser Liga", aber eine wkl. grossartige Kamera.
Oh interesting! I’m interested to see a comparison video showing some of your images with both cameras; even better comparing those to a Q3!!
once again, the sensor and the lens is the same, both are (still) very good. handling, user interface and menu software/system have been dramatically improved which makes this camera even more enjoyable and awesome to use. I do not have a Q§ and besides, such comparisons do not make sense. As I outlined in my video, this is a premium compact camera.
Many thanks for this valuable feedback and reccomend the 8.
Thank YOU 😊
Thank you for your thoughts! I agree with you 100 per cent
I hope they will introduce the FOTO interface with Android !
Hello from Tennessee -
Hello Henry 😀thanks and hello to Tennessee! Thank you very much. I do hope so, too.
Ex-x100v user. First I wanted the x100vi but I had to wait too long for it so I canceled my order. This was the chance to think about what the x100v was missing to me: Zoom. And now I am a Leica D-Lux 8 owner and happy with it. More happy than with the x100v.
Hi David. I thought I left a comment yesterday, but I don't see it below. Now I know why. This is a different video. Anyway,I first made the comment that I really appreciated your first post. Welcome. I already had subscribed. I like how direct and honest your approach is and I hope it will continue with that same spirit.
thanks so much, really appreciated. Yes, definitely. What you see is how I am, I am not into make-believe or "funny" or so. Have a nice evening. 😀
I own D-Lux5 for more than 10 years and I still like it just because it is compact and the room also picture frame size are adjustable, which is quite convenient for street shot so for this reason it is better than the fix room camera like Leica Q. I am interested to buy D-Lux8 since the operation interface is more convienet than last generation, in spite of some criticism about the hardware is old.
We should return to the state where we appreciate things, in geneeral, for what they offer and not what some individuals "demand", expect etc.
You talk about one needs to know how to work w/ a micro four thirds sensor. could expand a little on this?
I hope this info answers your question? petapixel.com/2024/07/08/micro-four-thirds-is-hard-for-those-with-low-camera-literacy-to-understand-panasonic/
Thank you David
Thank you again for another great video.
thank you very much 😀
Perhaps I am missing something but reviewers of the D-Lux 8 tend to gravitate around it being an everyday carry camera and harp on specs. Very little, if anything, is mentioned about its real-life picture quality and usability in various lighting and other conditions. I own a Leica Q and even if it is two leagues above in terms of optical qualities, some comparison would be helpful in order to properly rank it against the competition. Same applies to pitching it against the Sony RX100 and similar. Thanks nonetheless!
I do not have access to Sony RX100 and different from many others here, my job is photographer and not reviewer. I will post photos shot with the DLux7 and 8 but at the same time, what I am doing here is more about setting the record straight. Please bear with me and you will get to see samples of my Leica and Fuji X100VI photos.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Perfect, David. Many thanks! Andreas
@@ilduro2 thank YOU, Andreas 😀
Hi David, thank you for your thoughts on the Leica D-Lux 8, I have not used a compact camera at all, would there be any problems in your opinion with dust being drawn in on to the sensor with a zoom lens such as this, pehaps like the problems I have heard about the GR cameras. I know it could be dealt with easily enough by send it off for cleaning, but I was just wondering if it could be a problem. I have the Lumix GX9 and would certainly upgrade to the Leica D-Lux 8 if I though the image quality was better or much improved on the Leica, even though it has no IBIS I belive? I love to shoot in monochrome so would certainly upgrade to the Leica if better then my GX9. Thank you for you opinion, David
Hello John 😀 I already used the 7 and newer had such problems but then, I really take good care of my equipment and rather keep it inside than risk something. Have you see this cameradecision.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-8-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-GX9? Leica is stabilized which is why I bought it. I will not and cannot use unstabilized cameras (anymore). Funny, with both Leica DLux models I sho(o) a lot more bw than ever before, same with my Fujifilm X100VI. I am sure the Leica DLux8 will be a significant upgrade.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Thank you, David
@@johndyer5113 with great pleasure 😀
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I bought a d-lux8 this time. Should I use a lens filter to prevent the inflow of dust??
Hi😀 frankly, I don't know and I am wondering the same. I always carry the camera in a bag and I don't shoot in adverse conditions, at best extremely rarely.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH I see, thank you for your response.
@@kglguitar 😀
Ah too bad… the missing step-zoom is probably a deal-breaker for me ! I think a lot in terms of classic focals.
And a lever instead of a ring uses more battery.
These decisions by Leica do not make much sense - in my opinion, of course ;
I will keep investigating, though…
I am more focused on photography and not all this. What REALLY matters is there, at least for me and many, many others, otherwise the camera would not be sold out. I truly believe we should return to the fact " ... As for dorks who say it should have phase detect, 40 MP, blah, blah, blah - even my old model 4 is light years ahead of what renowned photographers were shooting with back in the day ..." - see above.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Which is why the features of the physical camera and its software are so significant. This camera is capable of recording superb images, albeit with less dynamic range than a full frame camera. It is its size and features that set it apart, not generally its relative picture quality, which is superb and even better in skilled hands and utilising its feature list.
Straight talk,like it👍🏼
thank you very much! 😀
Any thoughts if we’ll see Leica Looks on this camera through a firmware update.
I have no idea and it is pointless to speculate.
Enjoying the videos 🙂
Just giving sincere feedback on the quality and I have one quality issue! ....
The sound quality to my ears is bad, thin, tinny, boxy, hissy highs.
Other you tuber videos that I've watched that use Rhode or DJI mics sound great.
I'm not affiliated in any way to those btw, just my personal observation that otherwise distracts from a very good presentation.
Maybe it's just me but wanted to let you know incase others notice it.
Thank you very much and yes, I know and I have heard about it already. As a matter of fact, I never intended to do that but the Leica DLux8 "controversy" made me start. I currently use the Ulanzi mic detailed under my first video and since my job is photography and not youtuber, I never saw the need to get anything like that. I will certainly not buy DJI for the reasons outlined in my first video but as soon as I have a bit of time to get into that. I hope the sound will not deter you?
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@DAVCOHGRAPH Done 👍
@@deydododontdedoh.5672 Thank you very much 😀
As a photographer what’s the use case for owning the D-Lux and X100vi?
the dLux8 is my always-on camera while I use the X100VI for my (mostly indoor) boudoir shootings.
Interesting comments . It would be nice to see some of your images taken on the camera. I’ve yet to see anything worthwhile taken on this camera in any of the reviews.
I will over time, my discussion here is more the "philosophical" aspect.
I really will enjoy if you add some of your photography in the video. Better if photos of the camera you talk about, bud just random photos i really appreciated
I will.
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I love it but it is hard to recommend something without knowing anything about you.
I want to buy it but it is not available..... the problem with lots of good cameras unfortunately......
I am sorry to hear that and I hope you already ordered it and will receive it soon.
Although you discount the zoom focal length presets I used it all the time. Easily setting your focal lengths as if you had a bunch of primes. IMO very Leica… Tri Elmar anyone…? I’ll be the guy who’s disappointed they removed it.
okay but I am talking about MY experience.
Same here. I also use it all the time and I’m not about to lose it by downgrading to a DL8 at great expense.
@@hedydd2 I have to laugh at Leica removing it especially since they are mostly a fixed lens orientated ecosystem. I mean when pre-visualizing a scene you can pop into the focal length you want and be there as you bring your viewfinder up to your eye. Futzing with a slow zoom after you have the viewfinder to you eye is a sluggish method. Experienced photographers would agree ;) LOL
@@hedydd2 🤣
@@ChongLisDriveThru OBVIOUSLY, you will not define what "experienced photographers" will do. Here is one very experienced who did not use it and could not care less Leica decided to remove it. That is it.
Everyday camera should be in every condition of the day and this camera is not that. This camera may be good on clear sunny days, but no dusty, no fogy, no rainy days and no higher ISO than 1600. It is a point&shoot camera with motorized zoom and will suck dust in the sensor at no time. How do you clean the sensor on a fixed-zoom lens camera? I guess you listen too much on paid gear reviewers, like 3 men and elephants guy. (Him)"Hold your thoughts"! Whatever he reviews are Excellent or Amazing and all of the YT reviewers do the same. I'm glad you got the camera first in you place but I would like to hear your opinion in 6 months about it with dirty sensor and different malfunctions. Sorry!!!
I totally disagree and my opinion(s) have never been influenced by others. You may be "disappointed" to know I owned the DLux7 and never had those problems.
I love the zoom lock and step zooming feature that can be [and is, in my case] set to default to the last used setting when the camera is switched on. I have a D-Lux7 and a Q2 but I have no brand loyalty and use many camera brands. That Leica makes such an excuse for deleting great features that were included on previous models is sad and just because some people do not use the features is no reason to deprive those that do from using it on new models. I don’t care that the D-Lux7 has a more Panasonic style menu system. I am far more concerned that so many features that I currently do use are not available on the 8 and I will not buy that model just for its brand name and simplified menu more suitable for simpletons.
Obviously, people did not use/need it enough for Leica to keep it and as YOU don't care about the actual upgrades, others, me included do and were reason enough, to IMMEDIATELY sell the DL7. Funny, how you attack/hate preach against Leica for implementing their menu also on the DL(. I see no further worth in a discussion with you and will therefore ignore your comments UNLESS you have something substantial and/or constructive to offer. Your aggressive style is beneath me.
@@DAVCOHGRAPH I think there is something very wrong with your attitude to those that vary from your very fixed and aggressively protected viewpoint. You should recognise that you are just one voice and no more important than any other who post their own opinions. As such you are now on my ignore list.
@@hedydd2 Excellent. funny how YOU do exactly what you blame me for while I only answered to your aggressive attitude. Please keep your word! 🤣
@@DAVCOHGRAPH Your superior attitude that has no room for any view not in accordance with yours has already doomed your channel I fear. Best of luck.
@@hedydd2 check your own attitude
Another good discussion, but, disagree that V1 is a "step up". Ricoh over Fuji every time.
I still stand by my opinion 😀.