Absolutely spot on, people buying this stuff for an investment, I can understand, but people who buy the Dumble & 59 Les Paul etc and think they're going to sound like the record are crazy, half the time the recording was straight into the desk with all the Neave kit etc, and that's if said guitar hero even played on the record & wasn't smacked out of their mind in the corner, still each to their own!!! . PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.
if orvile gibson came to your house from the grave he will probably be very sus and call you a racial slur for not having his "hawian spanish" guitars,, the only guitars he made and new before being ousted from his company for being a maniac and dying in 1918
I thought that the whole deal with the 50's PAF pickups was that there was no QC for magnet and wire grades back then and they were all made in drastically different ways, therefore impossible to actually replicate.
That’s exactly right and I’d why the perfect PAF sounds different to so many people. Is it an underwound Monday morning hangover PAF or was it a left the machine winding on an extended lunch on Friday fire breather or is the magic really in the years of gunk and decay and magnets weakening over time ? It’s making more sense why Gibson is suing Dimarzio they want to be the only one in the PAF game and charge 1000 dollars for a burst bucker with a mag swap and a fancy box . There’s used 59s and PAF pros everywhere for 50 bucks that I guarantee will get you there without missing a house payment.
This is hilarious and so indicative of the guitar industry. There's so much legend surrounding this ancient gear which is supposedly what makes it so amazing and irreplaceable. If they can just replicate everything perfectly surely they are fucking over the intrinsic value of their old equipment.
Yeah I have played 6 of those custom shop 59 60th anniversary models that cost 6500 in 2019 and a couple of them had different pickup windings as they sounded hotter than than the others. I wasn't impressed with any of them compared to my 2018 USA standard 60s L.P. which cost 2500 at the time. When I first started playing in 1981 my parents had bought me. a used 1976 standard tobacco burst for 430 bucks which is adjusted for inflation around 1451.00 USD.
According to Epiphone, their probucker pickups are made to the exact specs, wire, metals, alloys,etc as late 50's PAF's. I haven't seen any videos or articles that refute these claims. I know,I know, the metal, alloys,wire,etc automatically transform into inferiority as soon as they arrive on Epiphone property.
Off the top of my head, I can think of three RUclipsrs I subscribe to that’re definitely gonna make a video in a week or two about how they finally got the holy grail of pickups, and demo them by swapping out the ones that’re already in their Les Paul. They’ll do a demo that shows no noticeable change in tone, and then gush about how amazing they sound. It’s as sure as the sunrise.
The problem with gibson’s business model is that once the crypto boom goes down, they’re not going to have any sustainable customer base. There can’t be enough blues layers and blues doctors to keep them going. This has just gotten out of control
Don't forget the dentists. Their model works unfortunately. It's not just the wealthy, they have poorer people saving up their hard earned money to be ripped off, because some people think you just have to have that guitar to have a good blues rock tone or whatever.
You could get Duncan Seth Lovers if you really want the most accurate paf reissue. It was designed in collaboration with the guy who made them hence the name.
Yes, but they still have the "wrong" magnet in them, as it seems most of the best ones had Alnico IV magnets! I suppose you could get some made by the custom shop, but then the price goes up dramatically. There are lots of companies making PAFs like Lollar, Fralin, and Throback, and Bare Knuckles make the "Mule" (with alnico IV magnets), but you pay a lot for everything being "vintage correct"!!
I’m a bit of a Gibson enjoyer (I like some of their shapes, sue me) but even I saw this and went “this is the dumbest cash grab I think I’ve ever seen in my life.” At least it has a cute lil case that I can use as a coin purse for all the coins I DONT have after I buy them
I just bought a Coca Cola that tastes exactly the same as it did when I was a little kid. Coca Cola is dumb for not adding an upcharge to the price on it!
Gibson literally can't stay 5 minutes without doing something like this... BTW love your videos, i showed one to my dad (he is a bassist) and he said nothing but good things about the video i showed him, keep it up!!
Companies don't need to justify the price their marketing departments decide for their products. Things can cost whatever producers decide, and consumers can buy, refuse, or complain all they like. I imagine they have already determined the best price in order to maximize profit and consumer demand.
@@Eliphas_Elric they were wound by machines in a special way. Leesona 102 is the Machines name. The wire is indeed older and prone to slight imperfections in thickness and carbon content through the length, which modern more well made wires do not feature to such an extent.
No. Gibson started machine winding pickups in 1950. Well before the first humbucker. They had mechanical wind counters which weren't particularly accurate. They did wind multiple bobbins at one time though and those would all have the same number of winds, being done at the same time. But I don't believe they actually matched them in the same pickup.
I'm sure with the amount of copper wire they buy Gibson could spec out the copper any way they want it. Sometime in the mid(ish) 60's Gibson changed to wire suppliers who could offer a more accurately spec'd wire. Some believe this, and also different magnet specs, are the main changes in paf and later pickups.
I love that the best set of PAF-sounding pickups I've owned were £235 with shipping (and the guy making them was given an award for how great they are). Through a Marshall-style amp, my LP finally started to have "the" LP-through-Marshall sound we know and love from countless 60s and 70s records. Another set of PAF-style pickups I have that are also mindblowing are from a guy who simply shrugged and said, "pickups are not rocket science." And Gibson expects rich simpletons to drop $1000 on a set by using mumbo jumbo marketing :D
Gibson knows there are people that will gladly fork over that kind of money and be put on a waiting list to get those pickups. You can't blame Gibson for that.
Seymour Duncan owns the pickup winder that the original 50 PAFs were wound on so if they're going for the authentic recreation, they physically can't haha. If you want something that's close for a fraction of the price, just grab some of their antiquity series because they're actually wound on that machine.
The original pickups weren't made on just one single winder. That said, the winder is just a motor that spins the bobbin with a counter on it for each revolution. A homemade pickup winder could do the exact same thing.
"If you are Gibson, then fuck you." 🤣 Sidebar: just met a girl who works at the Gibson factory and says she gets a 50% discount. Hadn't considered buying a Gibson before for obvious reasons, but now thinking maybe it's worth it at half price -- perhaps a V or Goldtop LP -- but it'd still be giving them money. It's a conundrum.
Eeeeeh TBF Gibson guitars are not bad guitars in an absolute way, they're just insanely overpriced, just like Nvidia GPUs (for the PC gamers out there). Tho thinking about mustaine V and paintjob QC flaws, it's unnaceptable at 2800€ but is it more acceptable at 1400€, especially compared to even some epiphones with better finishes for less than that like the prophecy V, 700€) ? moreover, is the 5000€ LP standard worth it even at 2500€ with outdated features and überfragile headstock ? The answer is yours. In my opinion, I'd either just grab a 10K custom shop for 5K and sell it to a blues lawyer for 50K on reverb or I'd not give a cent to this greedy company. Let's remember that Gibson guitars nowadays aren't instruments anymore anyway. They're investments.
Gibson has gotten much smarter. They are much more likely to re release a Mk II than to screw up any current products. And they are already releasing vintage based Gibson amps, which was the highly speculated reason they bought Boogie in the first place.
@Relayer6a they absolutely destroyed Tobias. Reduced to a budget brand... I have a Subway 800+, best head I've ever owned, and I've owned quite a bit. I love it so much,I want a WD800
So what's new ? me too this time!! 🤯🤯 I always wnated to do a vid, see if I can refute his PU claims - I think Blade types sound a ways different as the magnetic lines cross the strings at a diff angle, and sure more output means you can pick up more detail abouve the amps Noise floor .. But THIS is xxxxing MENTAL!
My main guitar is a Gibson I bought 20 years ago, have not bought anything from them since. The prices back then seemed a lot fairer the same guitar now costs DOUBLE !
Absolutely spot on. I have to confess I own three Gibson guitars all or which I readily acknowledge that I bought them for the name on the headstock, although they are pretty good guitars. Recently I bought an Epiphone ES 339 for £340 (it was pre owned but immaculate, a new one would cost around £460), an original Gibson ES 339 will knock you back around £2,500. Epiphone is of course owned by Gibson and is therefore allowed to make licenced copies of Gibson originals. I spent an hour trying out the guitar in my local guitar shop and was blown away by the sound, feel, looks and quality of the instrument. When I first took it along to my local buskers venue one or two people were at first unimpressed, pointing out that it was 'just an Epiphone'. They've all changed their minds as they all tell me that the guitar sounds really good. So in conclusion, I have a guitar which I've fallen head over heels in love with, which cost me a fraction of the price of a Gibson original and which my audience tells me sounds great. A lesson in point, you don't have to pay through the nose for an instrument that looks, plays and sounds great. Will Gibson ever change? I doubt it very much.
What about the fact the the actual manufacturing machinery of the original PAFs is currently in use by other pickup manufacturers? The “engagement ring” case is cute and all, but the chance that these will sound better than a set of Duncans or Lollars is .00001. If you want to spend crazy money on a set of PAFs, then you could just pay up for a set of Throbaks. They cost an arm and a leg but there are reasons why and if you watch their videos you’ll understand. If that’s your thing, then that’s the way to go. Giving this money to Gibson is like giving more toys to a spoiled kid. Always works out well….
I am a fan of Gibson style guitars. My last guitar purchase was a few years ago. It was a Heritage H535. Every one of these stunts has made me appreciate my Heritage more and more.
They sold out within a few hours...I got the email about the PUs yesterday morning from Gibson...hard pass as a collector, flipper, and general consumer. I estimate Gibson cleared $850k, kudos to them! Regarding buying these PUs, the purist won't want to 'butcher' their Gibson to install these, as a collector you want to keep the PUs pure and uninstalled, as a consumer there are so many better options for PUs out there. I love Gibson's, especially LP Custom Shops, but IMO these 'cash grab' attempts further tarnish the company. I'd love to hear the PUs and see how they compare to Custom Buckers and other higher end PAF styles.
I agree with most of what you said, but idk I'd really call this a money grab. Only 1,000 were made and they come in a Lifton case. It's just not something the average player would even care about and is geared more toward collectors and those who buy $20k CS / Murphy Lab guitars.
@@SicTr4nsityou're the only one here that gets it. LOL Social Media bloaks help sell them with their videos whether it is cursing or praising Gibson product. 😂😂😂😂
I'm amazed how much some guitar players would spend to achieve a perfect tone to please their super developed sense of hearing. Even though they cannot identify simple chord progressions by ear
Just a few years ago I bought an early set of 57 classics here locally for a mere $70 and they sound incredible on my Les Paul. I also bought a set of boutique PAFs with alnico V magnets for $100.
Happy enough buying irongear pickups for £72 a pair of humbuckers, most I spent was on lace sensor HSS pickup nearly £300 and said never again. £1000.....I'd want a guitar with that
I think you may be wrong on one thing: The dumbasses who plonk down $1000 for these are probably not going to put them into a guitar. I think there are going to be two kinds of buyers for these, collectors and those who will buy these hoping to add another $500 to the already ridiculous asking price and flip them to some collector on Reverb.
@@sixstringtv1 Just thought of something... I'm also pretty sure there will be RUclipsrs who will buy these pickups and install them in an Epiphone or a Chibson for the views.
Winding something to a different spec should NOT change the price, unless you somehow need to source some kind of holy Tibetan silver alloy for the wires. Otherwise it's just a combination of bits and bobs that you already have in your parts bin, put together in a particular way which is guaranteed to be _very_ similar to your existing pickups, maybe with less wire on the coil (which should make it marginally cheaper instead).
3:28 I don't even think 300-350$ for pickups is even remotely reasonable considering that an 100$ EQ pedal at the front of your chain is both more powerful and more versatile.
I just watched a video on the 60 cycle hum channel, and they showed a couple of other brands that sell PUs for quite similar prices, including Seymour Duncan. So it's maybe not just a Gibson thing. The 1000 pieces stock is already sold out btw. So if they'd been really clever they'd have sold 2000 pairs, or 5000. 😅
ThroBak bought the original machines from the old factory and did years of research. They’ve been known as super expensive pickups at around $700. So, why pay $300 more for less accurate? And yes, I’m a Gibson fanboy.
Along with all the thoughts in this video, I have another problem with this sort of pricing on Gibson limited edition pickups. Just like iPhone pushing its flagship phone to 1000+ dollars gave a green light to other manufacturers to follow suit, this move by Gibson will do the same to boutique pickup makers. Soon you'll find 6-7-800 dollar Lollars!
How many ways can you wrap a piece of copper around some metal? And the case is for displaying the pickups. No real Gibson freak would ever damage a Gibson product by using it. I have a basement full of Les Paul’s that will never see the light of day. But trust me bro the toan is perfect with thick hot lows, sweet drippy mids, and twoppy sloppy highs for that perfect vintage tone
I'm honestly more surprised that it took Gibson this long to do this. Seymour duncan has had the zephyrs for about 10 years now and they also cost about 1000$.
ok, we stand corrected, and in that case, also... F... SEYMOUR DUNCAN AND THE HORSE THEY RODE IN ON ;) Rather grateful I sidestepped their bass PU's for something that seems hotter and louder ;)
They are just matching the price point of the Seymore Duncan Zephyr Silver set, which comes in at $959 at Sweetwater. $500 a pickup is very high, but they aren't the first and Gibson's value is in their tradition, which manifest as very high-end (or positioned as high-end in terms of price point) vintage reissue product. Their business model is following other brands rooted in tradition, think Levi's, Coca-Cola, Rolex, etc.. where the growth doesn't come so much from innovation, but acquisitions and lifestyle marketing for the traditional product... Gibson knows the people who actually buy their brand aren't the same folks on-line complaining about their pricing. They do market research and price things at the max they can and still manage to get reasonable sells. That's the nature of free markets. If priced too high, it will fail. But don't assume they won't get purchases at the $1k asking price. This is an experiment for them. Keep in mind the USA made Greeny bucker set only sells for $299. ($150 pickup), which is very much in-line with other brand pickup markers, so Gibson seems to think they have something really special with this reissue set.
@@sixstringtv1Still though, an experiment. An experiment to see how much the Gibson brand is to those with deep pockets who buy into the fairy dust magic. Keep in mind this is the same company who has a special "lab" devoted to beating the hell out of new guitars to make them look old so they can sell them for crazy prices.... It's insane to me... Maybe Gibson will do a demo comparing these to a real 59 set, of course they would sound very close because there's nothing special about the originals you can't get from any well built 59 PAF recreation. But this same crazy gap between affordable quality and over priced quality exist throughout the gear industry. We live in a time when modern Epiphone's and Squires are so good, no one needs a USA built instrument. But people will gladly pay $4000 instead of $800... So my opinions a bit different. I see the Gibson 59 limited set and I laugh, because this is a product the gear snobs deserve to exist.... Meanwhile the best guitarist on the planet made his name with an all stock $800 Yamaha RevStar.
Gibson can’t even accurately reproduce a 59 Les Paul. I have lost count of how many custom shop versions there are. Every year they would tweak one thing so it’s closer to the original. What a marketing scam that is.
Seeing that there was NO QUALITY CONTROL in the '50's for their pickups, why not for $247.00 get the Seymour Duncan "Pearly Gates" which are a copy of the pickups in the '59 Les Paul Billy Gibbons owns? If you're NOT playing de-tuned metal & want that classic sound, The "Pearly Gates" IMO, are really really nice with '50's wiring.👍
You also have to mention that Glen not only says pups replacement should be avoided by tweaking your settings, but he most importantly he says change your speakers in your amps vs your pups. I agree. unless you feel a upgrade of cheap set Dragonfire are worth it. I've been considering a A2 magnet humbucker set from Amazon.
Every time I think Gibson is taking a Step in the right direction (their new amps) they take 2 steps back (these shit pickups)... Gibson really makes it so hard for us to even speak nicely about them...
I personally will not be buying these - but I’ve seen stuff like this enough times to know what they’re doing. It’s essentially the “it’s cheaper than an original while being as good as the original” marketing (with some actual engineering behind it). This is for the collector’s who can’t afford an original - like kit cars of 1960’s race cars. And Gibson a long time ago became a brand/instrument geared towards this market (reissues…reissues galore). Fender made the marketing decision to be more focused on younger/new musicians…Gibson made the marketing choice to focus on the “collector” demographic. It just is what it is - besides they’ll probably go bankrupt again soon because there a ticking clock on the “collector” demographic.
Not surprised tbh. The pricing on Epiphones have been going through the roof lately also. Lost all interest. Thankfully I bought my Gibsons (4 Les Paul’s & 1 SG) years ago as I won’t be buying anymore
Where there is a demand there will be supply. If people want to fit these and try to sound like their hero's then let them. Will it help them write great tunes and produce memorable music ? Let's wait and see. When Gibson start to sell hands, fingers and technique I may buy some . Till then ??
@@sixstringtv1 ahh I see! Nonetheless, it was great while it lasted! I love your other content too. And you have a very chill vibe to you, will definitely be supporting. I see you don’t have patreon anymore so do you have another thing like that?
God I am so fucking sick of the 1959 Les Paul. The market is so fucking saturated with every tiny miniscule derivation of that guitar (remember, boutbon burst and Honey burst are NOT THE SAME THING) that I'm just numb to it. The way rich people sperg out over the plastics and and neck tennons is worse than Ferrari collectors.
The only thing I have that's "Gibson" is a vinyl soft case....I keep my Samick "Greg Bennett" Torino in it. It's a superb guitar. The case is alright too, even if it only cost a little over a hundred dollars.
I love Gibson guitars, but I only buy them used and I pretty much always swap the pickups for Seymour Duncan’s. Never been a huge fan of their stock pickups.
No way... unless they found desame wire desame magnet material % mix and able to consistenly demagnetized the pickup at certain points.... plus the fact that a different winding machine or person who winds pickups is also sa variable
They're making a ton of profit on these. A few years ago I got an Epiphone T-bird with genuine Gibson pups, all mahogany, through neck. Total price: 500.
The one thing that does hold true is that high end equipment holds value much better than cheap. Still super silly, buy yes, people will line up to buy them.
Look at Throbak prices for instance almost $800 for a set of PAFs. The guitar market has gone crazy and not just Gibson. I am a Gibson guy but I am so glad I bought my guitars at great prices.
Some people dont want good pickups, they want gibson. When i bought les paul custom , i didnt want SUPER GUITAR. I wanted les paul custom. It gives me inspiration and motivation to play every day, like no other guitar. If you have money , why not to treat yourself with pricy things.
But now i ask myself were all the pickups that came stock in these true historic and collectors choice and signature 59 and other reissues not authentic and therefore inferior to these? So like is my hypothetical 59 reissue not a real reissue until i put these in there?
I never said it was. I wouldn't spend that much for pickups personally, but I recognize that there's a strong collector's market that any for-profit company would be an "idiot" for ignoring. Thanks for the insult though?
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Finally found the perfect pickups to use with a $4000 Klon into a $200,000 Dumble.
Think of the *warm* tone with balanced *mids* though. It's the only way 😂
No doubt playing a 59 'Burst which techbro has installed these new pups using a blowtorch....🙃
Don’t forget the piano lows 😍
Great for doin' my Sonic youth + Jesus And Mary Chan covers !!
Absolutely spot on, people buying this stuff for an investment, I can understand, but people who buy the Dumble & 59 Les Paul etc and think they're going to sound like the record are crazy, half the time the recording was straight into the desk with all the Neave kit etc, and that's if said guitar hero even played on the record & wasn't smacked out of their mind in the corner, still each to their own!!! . PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.
For 1k zombie Orville Gibson better hand deliver them and be your guitar tech.
I expect Mark Agnesi to personally install them in my guitar and read me a bedtime story.
@@sixstringtv1and I need a kiss on my forehead too
@@sixstringtv1 "ok my precious little boy, here's a story about the authentic guitar and the knockoff garbage!"
if orvile gibson came to your house from the grave he will probably be very sus and call you a racial slur for not having his "hawian spanish" guitars,, the only guitars he made and new before being ousted from his company for being a maniac and dying in 1918
That’s fresh. Get this man on the Gibson board.
The lengths people will go, and the money they will pay, to play pentatonic scales.
😂❤ that's all I play, but I use Harley Bentons
You win best comment in this thread sir, imho.
im in this comment and I dont like it 😢
@@TheCollector1987I play my HB more than any Gibson, Epiphone or fender I own
As the proverb goes: "A fool and his money are soon parted."
Lucky enough to get together in the first place
A fool and his money are soon PAF'd!
@@petegaslondon PAFarted?
I thought that the whole deal with the 50's PAF pickups was that there was no QC for magnet and wire grades back then and they were all made in drastically different ways, therefore impossible to actually replicate.
Shhh... you're spoiling Gibsons story...
That’s exactly right and I’d why the perfect PAF sounds different to so many people. Is it an underwound Monday morning hangover PAF or was it a left the machine winding on an extended lunch on Friday fire breather or is the magic really in the years of gunk and decay and magnets weakening over time ? It’s making more sense why Gibson is suing Dimarzio they want to be the only one in the PAF game and charge 1000 dollars for a burst bucker with a mag swap and a fancy box . There’s used 59s and PAF pros everywhere for 50 bucks that I guarantee will get you there without missing a house payment.
This is hilarious and so indicative of the guitar industry. There's so much legend surrounding this ancient gear which is supposedly what makes it so amazing and irreplaceable. If they can just replicate everything perfectly surely they are fucking over the intrinsic value of their old equipment.
Yeah I have played 6 of those custom shop 59 60th anniversary models that cost 6500 in 2019 and a couple of them had different pickup windings as they sounded hotter than than the others. I wasn't impressed with any of them compared to my 2018 USA standard 60s L.P. which cost 2500 at the time.
When I first started playing in 1981 my parents had bought me. a used 1976 standard tobacco burst for 430 bucks which is adjusted for inflation around 1451.00 USD.
According to Epiphone, their probucker pickups are made to the exact specs, wire, metals, alloys,etc as late 50's PAF's. I haven't seen any videos or articles that refute these claims. I know,I know, the metal, alloys,wire,etc automatically transform into inferiority as soon as they arrive on Epiphone property.
Off the top of my head, I can think of three RUclipsrs I subscribe to that’re definitely gonna make a video in a week or two about how they finally got the holy grail of pickups, and demo them by swapping out the ones that’re already in their Les Paul. They’ll do a demo that shows no noticeable change in tone, and then gush about how amazing they sound. It’s as sure as the sunrise.
Lmaooo I can think of a few names myself 😂
....poor Austin...
Hi Rhett Shull! Hi Trogly! xD
@@Wurdox Yeah, he’s one of them that come to mind.
@@Wurdox agufish
The problem with gibson’s business model is that once the crypto boom goes down, they’re not going to have any sustainable customer base. There can’t be enough blues layers and blues doctors to keep them going. This has just gotten out of control
There's always dentist
Don't forget the dentists. Their model works unfortunately. It's not just the wealthy, they have poorer people saving up their hard earned money to be ripped off, because some people think you just have to have that guitar to have a good blues rock tone or whatever.
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@gregputman dentists get a PRS because they need something pretty to look at after dealing with people's fucked up teeth all day
@@jonathanshaver3001 😂😂 good point 🦷🦷
You could get Duncan Seth Lovers if you really want the most accurate paf reissue. It was designed in collaboration with the guy who made them hence the name.
Picked up a pair of Seth Lovers used and put in my Tokai Love Rock and I’m done. Lotsa love.
And they're currently $258 a set! I bought a new set 2 years ago for under $200.
@@JLindebergful yeah everything has gone up in price recently, still better than paying $1000 though. I swear Gibson does this for press.
Yes, but they still have the "wrong" magnet in them, as it seems most of the best ones had Alnico IV magnets! I suppose you could get some made by the custom shop, but then the price goes up dramatically.
There are lots of companies making PAFs like Lollar, Fralin, and Throback, and Bare Knuckles make the "Mule" (with alnico IV magnets), but you pay a lot for everything being "vintage correct"!!
there are a 100 companies selling accurate repro's. this isn't space age technology, it's magnets and wire.
So, they recreated the the thing with magnets and a copper wire around it? I thought we were using those all this time.
I’m a bit of a Gibson enjoyer (I like some of their shapes, sue me) but even I saw this and went “this is the dumbest cash grab I think I’ve ever seen in my life.” At least it has a cute lil case that I can use as a coin purse for all the coins I DONT have after I buy them
Gibson knows you better get a purse for your wife with them thousand dollar pickups or else……
This is a genius idea! I'm going to start a production line creating new Ford Model T's and sell them at the price of a new bugatti.
I just bought a Coca Cola that tastes exactly the same as it did when I was a little kid. Coca Cola is dumb for not adding an upcharge to the price on it!
@@Wilco1972lol Coke leaving a ton on the money not putting a PAF tax on Coke Classic lol .
Gibson literally can't stay 5 minutes without doing something like this...
BTW love your videos, i showed one to my dad (he is a bassist) and he said nothing but good things about the video i showed him, keep it up!!
I entirely agree with the 250-300 dollar max price range for pickups, I can’t imagine a thousand dollars for pickups. That’s absolutely wild.
I wouldnt usually go past 100 uk per pup, but i hear you !!
People: "I can't imagine paying 1500 for an Epiphone."
Let me get back to you in 2029, lol.
Yeah, but the market being targeted with these aren't you and me 😂
I’m a luthier and videos like this is why I love you.
Spot on. Well done.
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Companies don't need to justify the price their marketing departments decide for their products. Things can cost whatever producers decide, and consumers can buy, refuse, or complain all they like. I imagine they have already determined the best price in order to maximize profit and consumer demand.
the trick is to sleep with your pants already on
And that works in winter, but not so much in summer 😂
Wasnt one of the main features of the old PAF's, that every single one is unique, because all of them are handwound?
Hand wound with a copper formulation that’s no longer in production anymore.
@@Eliphas_Elric they were wound by machines in a special way. Leesona 102 is the Machines name. The wire is indeed older and prone to slight imperfections in thickness and carbon content through the length, which modern more well made wires do not feature to such an extent.
No. Gibson started machine winding pickups in 1950. Well before the first humbucker. They had mechanical wind counters which weren't particularly accurate.
They did wind multiple bobbins at one time though and those would all have the same number of winds, being done at the same time. But I don't believe they actually matched them in the same pickup.
I'm sure with the amount of copper wire they buy Gibson could spec out the copper any way they want it.
Sometime in the mid(ish) 60's Gibson changed to wire suppliers who could offer a more accurately spec'd wire. Some believe this, and also different magnet specs, are the main changes in paf and later pickups.
@@Relayer6a Gibson is absolutely small potatoes in the copper wire industry I promise you. They probably aren’t even small potatoes.
I love that the best set of PAF-sounding pickups I've owned were £235 with shipping (and the guy making them was given an award for how great they are). Through a Marshall-style amp, my LP finally started to have "the" LP-through-Marshall sound we know and love from countless 60s and 70s records. Another set of PAF-style pickups I have that are also mindblowing are from a guy who simply shrugged and said, "pickups are not rocket science." And Gibson expects rich simpletons to drop $1000 on a set by using mumbo jumbo marketing :D
Yes. My last pickup upgrade was $23.99 amazon clones. Other than being noisy the tone is fine.
Gibson knows there are people that will gladly fork over that kind of money and be put on a waiting list to get those pickups. You can't blame Gibson for that.
Honestly wish you got infinite budget, because I would love you to compare these to Aliexpress pickups & a set of actually reasonable priced ones
Seymour Duncan owns the pickup winder that the original 50 PAFs were wound on so if they're going for the authentic recreation, they physically can't haha. If you want something that's close for a fraction of the price, just grab some of their antiquity series because they're actually wound on that machine.
The original pickups weren't made on just one single winder. That said, the winder is just a motor that spins the bobbin with a counter on it for each revolution. A homemade pickup winder could do the exact same thing.
I’m getting those SD antiquity series. I have a Les Paul dying for some better pickups.
"If you are Gibson, then fuck you." 🤣
Sidebar: just met a girl who works at the Gibson factory and says she gets a 50% discount. Hadn't considered buying a Gibson before for obvious reasons, but now thinking maybe it's worth it at half price -- perhaps a V or Goldtop LP -- but it'd still be giving them money. It's a conundrum.
I mean, you could get a higher end Epiphone. I'd get a Casino for like 200 dollars.
50% off is a once in a lifetime deal. Do it
Eeeeeh TBF Gibson guitars are not bad guitars in an absolute way, they're just insanely overpriced, just like Nvidia GPUs (for the PC gamers out there). Tho thinking about mustaine V and paintjob QC flaws, it's unnaceptable at 2800€ but is it more acceptable at 1400€, especially compared to even some epiphones with better finishes for less than that like the prophecy V, 700€) ? moreover, is the 5000€ LP standard worth it even at 2500€ with outdated features and überfragile headstock ?
The answer is yours. In my opinion, I'd either just grab a 10K custom shop for 5K and sell it to a blues lawyer for 50K on reverb or I'd not give a cent to this greedy company. Let's remember that Gibson guitars nowadays aren't instruments anymore anyway. They're investments.
Do it! I'd suggest picking up a VOS LP R8, R9, or R0 - something weighing around 8.5 lbs / 3.85 kg is the sweet spot. I would, especially at $3k USD!!
The fact that you want a Gibson guitar speaks louder than your words.
I hope they don't destroy the Mesa brand like they did with Tobias
Gibson has gotten much smarter. They are much more likely to re release a Mk II than to screw up any current products.
And they are already releasing vintage based Gibson amps, which was the highly speculated reason they bought Boogie in the first place.
@Relayer6a they absolutely destroyed Tobias. Reduced to a budget brand... I have a Subway 800+, best head I've ever owned, and I've owned quite a bit. I love it so much,I want a WD800
@@peterjanjanin9883 like I said they've gotten a lot smarter.
Please reread my reply and look at Gibson's current marketing strategy.
Gibson moment
Glenn Fricker has exploded 🤯🤣
So what's new ? me too this time!! 🤯🤯
I always wnated to do a vid, see if I can refute his PU claims - I think Blade types sound a ways different as the magnetic lines cross the strings at a diff angle, and sure more output means you can pick up more detail abouve the amps Noise floor .. But THIS is xxxxing MENTAL!
Gibson used the same marketing strategy as for their Murphy labs customs. Bit ballsy for just pickups.
Making sure you never get a Gibson endorsement 😂😂😂
Damn right 😂
My main guitar is a Gibson I bought 20 years ago, have not bought anything from them since. The prices back then seemed a lot fairer the same guitar now costs DOUBLE !
So does everything else.
Absolutely spot on. I have to confess I own three Gibson guitars all or which I readily acknowledge that I bought them for the name on the headstock, although they are pretty good guitars. Recently I bought an Epiphone ES 339 for £340 (it was pre owned but immaculate, a new one would cost around £460), an original Gibson ES 339 will knock you back around £2,500. Epiphone is of course owned by Gibson and is therefore allowed to make licenced copies of Gibson originals. I spent an hour trying out the guitar in my local guitar shop and was blown away by the sound, feel, looks and quality of the instrument. When I first took it along to my local buskers venue one or two people were at first unimpressed, pointing out that it was 'just an Epiphone'. They've all changed their minds as they all tell me that the guitar sounds really good. So in conclusion, I have a guitar which I've fallen head over heels in love with, which cost me a fraction of the price of a Gibson original and which my audience tells me sounds great. A lesson in point, you don't have to pay through the nose for an instrument that looks, plays and sounds great. Will Gibson ever change? I doubt it very much.
What about the fact the the actual manufacturing machinery of the original PAFs is currently in use by other pickup manufacturers? The “engagement ring” case is cute and all, but the chance that these will sound better than a set of Duncans or Lollars is .00001. If you want to spend crazy money on a set of PAFs, then you could just pay up for a set of Throbaks. They cost an arm and a leg but there are reasons why and if you watch their videos you’ll understand. If that’s your thing, then that’s the way to go. Giving this money to Gibson is like giving more toys to a spoiled kid. Always works out well….
I am a fan of Gibson style guitars. My last guitar purchase was a few years ago. It was a Heritage H535. Every one of these stunts has made me appreciate my Heritage more and more.
100 percent, Heritage all day, the Gibson management is a joke.
Makes sense why they wanted Dimarzio to drop the PAF name copyright. Called it.
They sold out within a few hours...I got the email about the PUs yesterday morning from Gibson...hard pass as a collector, flipper, and general consumer. I estimate Gibson cleared $850k, kudos to them! Regarding buying these PUs, the purist won't want to 'butcher' their Gibson to install these, as a collector you want to keep the PUs pure and uninstalled, as a consumer there are so many better options for PUs out there. I love Gibson's, especially LP Custom Shops, but IMO these 'cash grab' attempts further tarnish the company. I'd love to hear the PUs and see how they compare to Custom Buckers and other higher end PAF styles.
well said and completely true. Cheers
I agree with most of what you said, but idk I'd really call this a money grab.
Only 1,000 were made and they come in a Lifton case. It's just not something the average player would even care about and is geared more toward collectors and those who buy $20k CS / Murphy Lab guitars.
@@SicTr4nsityou're the only one here that gets it. LOL Social Media bloaks help sell them with their videos whether it is cursing or praising Gibson product. 😂😂😂😂
I'm amazed how much some guitar players would spend to achieve a perfect tone to please their super developed sense of hearing.
Even though they cannot identify simple chord progressions by ear
a wise man once said, if you market a turd correctly, people will buy it!!!
Just a few years ago I bought an early set of 57 classics here locally for a mere $70 and they sound incredible on my Les Paul. I also bought a set of boutique PAFs with alnico V magnets for $100.
They lose half their value when you install them.
Happy enough buying irongear pickups for £72 a pair of humbuckers, most I spent was on lace sensor HSS pickup nearly £300 and said never again. £1000.....I'd want a guitar with that
I've bought several custom, hand-wired pickups from different manufacturers... and I've never paid more than €320 for both pickups.
I thought ThroBak pickups were overpriced, and they have the original damn winding machines!
I think you may be wrong on one thing: The dumbasses who plonk down $1000 for these are probably not going to put them into a guitar. I think there are going to be two kinds of buyers for these, collectors and those who will buy these hoping to add another $500 to the already ridiculous asking price and flip them to some collector on Reverb.
Perhaps the worst part lmao. Buying electronics to NOT use them
@@sixstringtv1 Just thought of something... I'm also pretty sure there will be RUclipsrs who will buy these pickups and install them in an Epiphone or a Chibson for the views.
Bet all the costs went to making that box for keeping the pikups
ngl the box itself looks GORGEOUS
Winding something to a different spec should NOT change the price, unless you somehow need to source some kind of holy Tibetan silver alloy for the wires. Otherwise it's just a combination of bits and bobs that you already have in your parts bin, put together in a particular way which is guaranteed to be _very_ similar to your existing pickups, maybe with less wire on the coil (which should make it marginally cheaper instead).
i will never play a Gibson product , my brand is Dean and Ibanez
Gibson try not up-charge guitar players challenge
3:28 I don't even think 300-350$ for pickups is even remotely reasonable considering that an 100$ EQ pedal at the front of your chain is both more powerful and more versatile.
Or if your amp has EQ and volume ... imagine that!
@@RideAcrossTheRiver what? Im allowed to turn those??
@@martyshwaartz971 I saw comments the other day that it's 'unfashionable' to use your guitar's tone controls.
I just watched a video on the 60 cycle hum channel, and they showed a couple of other brands that sell PUs for quite similar prices, including Seymour Duncan. So it's maybe not just a Gibson thing. The 1000 pieces stock is already sold out btw. So if they'd been really clever they'd have sold 2000 pairs, or 5000. 😅
'' you re paying for the experience and the heritage man ''
no sane man ever...
ThroBak bought the original machines from the old factory and did years of research. They’ve been known as super expensive pickups at around $700. So, why pay $300 more for less accurate? And yes, I’m a Gibson fanboy.
Along with all the thoughts in this video, I have another problem with this sort of pricing on Gibson limited edition pickups. Just like iPhone pushing its flagship phone to 1000+ dollars gave a green light to other manufacturers to follow suit, this move by Gibson will do the same to boutique pickup makers. Soon you'll find 6-7-800 dollar Lollars!
How many ways can you wrap a piece of copper around some metal?
And the case is for displaying the pickups. No real Gibson freak would ever damage a Gibson product by using it. I have a basement full of Les Paul’s that will never see the light of day. But trust me bro the toan is perfect with thick hot lows, sweet drippy mids, and twoppy sloppy highs for that perfect vintage tone
I'm honestly more surprised that it took Gibson this long to do this. Seymour duncan has had the zephyrs for about 10 years now and they also cost about 1000$.
ok, we stand corrected, and in that case, also...
F... SEYMOUR DUNCAN AND THE HORSE THEY RODE IN ON ;)
Rather grateful I sidestepped their bass PU's for something that seems hotter and louder ;)
I wanna see an intense comparison between these and the comparable Guitar Fetish pickups, imagine there is no difference
That Iceman looks kick ass, though! 🤘❤️
OUCH. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ So is an Epiphone version coming . . . and if so, how much would an Epiphone version bleed ppl dry for?! 🤣🤣🤣
They are just matching the price point of the Seymore Duncan Zephyr Silver set, which comes in at $959 at Sweetwater. $500 a pickup is very high, but they aren't the first and Gibson's value is in their tradition, which manifest as very high-end (or positioned as high-end in terms of price point) vintage reissue product. Their business model is following other brands rooted in tradition, think Levi's, Coca-Cola, Rolex, etc.. where the growth doesn't come so much from innovation, but acquisitions and lifestyle marketing for the traditional product... Gibson knows the people who actually buy their brand aren't the same folks on-line complaining about their pricing. They do market research and price things at the max they can and still manage to get reasonable sells. That's the nature of free markets. If priced too high, it will fail. But don't assume they won't get purchases at the $1k asking price. This is an experiment for them. Keep in mind the USA made Greeny bucker set only sells for $299. ($150 pickup), which is very much in-line with other brand pickup markers, so Gibson seems to think they have something really special with this reissue set.
The Zephyrs are made of silver and made as an experiment to see how high-end you can make a pickup. The materials in these are worth like $12
@@sixstringtv1Still though, an experiment. An experiment to see how much the Gibson brand is to those with deep pockets who buy into the fairy dust magic. Keep in mind this is the same company who has a special "lab" devoted to beating the hell out of new guitars to make them look old so they can sell them for crazy prices.... It's insane to me... Maybe Gibson will do a demo comparing these to a real 59 set, of course they would sound very close because there's nothing special about the originals you can't get from any well built 59 PAF recreation. But this same crazy gap between affordable quality and over priced quality exist throughout the gear industry. We live in a time when modern Epiphone's and Squires are so good, no one needs a USA built instrument. But people will gladly pay $4000 instead of $800... So my opinions a bit different. I see the Gibson 59 limited set and I laugh, because this is a product the gear snobs deserve to exist.... Meanwhile the best guitarist on the planet made his name with an all stock $800 Yamaha RevStar.
1k on pickups!? No ta
Will stick with the smaller guys over here in UK.
Gibson can’t even accurately reproduce a 59 Les Paul. I have lost count of how many custom shop versions there are. Every year they would tweak one thing so it’s closer to the original. What a marketing scam that is.
Seeing that there was NO QUALITY CONTROL in the '50's for their pickups, why not for $247.00 get the Seymour Duncan "Pearly Gates" which are a copy of the pickups in the '59 Les Paul Billy Gibbons owns? If you're NOT playing de-tuned metal & want that classic sound, The "Pearly Gates" IMO, are really really nice with '50's wiring.👍
They're trying to get back the guys that paid like $800 for Wolftone pickups....
I'm amazed that they have the nerve to do this, and even more amazed that these pickups have already sold out.
You also have to mention that Glen not only says pups replacement should be avoided by tweaking your settings, but he most importantly he says change your speakers in your amps vs your pups. I agree. unless you feel a upgrade of cheap set Dragonfire are worth it. I've been considering a A2 magnet humbucker set from Amazon.
Dang I'm out of touch, back in th 90's I was told Burstbucker 1&2 are as close to real PAF's I can get. Got a used set for $100 never looked back
If this happened in 1985, every guitarist in existence would fall down laughing--and go buy a set of Dimarzios.
Tell it on the Mountan Bro/Sis!
I did a lil song about thier 'Ultra Jazz' Bass type - that and a hot loud blade PU work just FINE for me thanks :)
If they are charging $ 1,000 and you don't get a guitar.........count me out ! You viewpoint is spot on.
Same reason I can't get my head around relic guitars.
There are small pickup winders that sell NOS wire sets for well past $1k. I'm old, I remember buying a real PAF for $100.
Every time I think Gibson is taking a Step in the right direction (their new amps) they take 2 steps back (these shit pickups)... Gibson really makes it so hard for us to even speak nicely about them...
I’ll wait for the Murphy Lab version…
I personally will not be buying these - but I’ve seen stuff like this enough times to know what they’re doing. It’s essentially the “it’s cheaper than an original while being as good as the original” marketing (with some actual engineering behind it). This is for the collector’s who can’t afford an original - like kit cars of 1960’s race cars. And Gibson a long time ago became a brand/instrument geared towards this market (reissues…reissues galore). Fender made the marketing decision to be more focused on younger/new musicians…Gibson made the marketing choice to focus on the “collector” demographic. It just is what it is - besides they’ll probably go bankrupt again soon because there a ticking clock on the “collector” demographic.
Playing chords on a Gibson is like slapping a short scale bass
That's why my guitar playing wasn't sounding good! I needed these classic gibson humbuckers!
That's some straight up Chibson USA stuff😂
Imagine spending 1000 bucks on bad sounding pickups
I want someone to buy it and put it in the cheapest Harley Benton
I wanna buy a set and put it in a Glarry
Just to watch the Gibson gang screetch autisticly xD.
Not surprised tbh. The pricing on Epiphones have been going through the roof lately also. Lost all interest. Thankfully I bought my Gibsons (4 Les Paul’s & 1 SG) years ago as I won’t be buying anymore
Where there is a demand there will be supply. If people want to fit these and try to sound like their hero's then let them. Will it help them write great tunes and produce memorable music ? Let's wait and see. When Gibson start to sell hands, fingers and technique I may buy some . Till then ??
How much for the Murphy Lab versions?
Gibson should call the pickup set " The Lawyers "
Fairly new to the channel (and guitar lol), 6string! Love vids, more Ali whacky AliExpress vids soon?
Not really, I ran out of products to review a long time ago hahah. But there's only so much trash you can produce for cheap
@@sixstringtv1 ahh I see! Nonetheless, it was great while it lasted! I love your other content too. And you have a very chill vibe to you, will definitely be supporting. I see you don’t have patreon anymore so do you have another thing like that?
Nothing warrants putting on pants in the middle of the night. Except a fire in your home.
Or middle of the day, for that matter ...
God I am so fucking sick of the 1959 Les Paul. The market is so fucking saturated with every tiny miniscule derivation of that guitar (remember, boutbon burst and Honey burst are NOT THE SAME THING) that I'm just numb to it. The way rich people sperg out over the plastics and and neck tennons is worse than Ferrari collectors.
for that price Les Paul better show up to my crib and personally sign them
Haaaa! Gibson’s not gonna teabag me!!!!
The only thing I have that's "Gibson" is a vinyl soft case....I keep my Samick "Greg Bennett" Torino in it. It's a superb guitar.
The case is alright too, even if it only cost a little over a hundred dollars.
I love Gibson guitars, but I only buy them used and I pretty much always swap the pickups for Seymour Duncan’s. Never been a huge fan of their stock pickups.
Dude, your hair is so healthy, it fucking SPARKLES.
Subscribed, King. 👑
No way... unless they found desame wire desame magnet material % mix and able to consistenly demagnetized the pickup at certain points.... plus the fact that a different winding machine or person who winds pickups is also sa variable
They're making a ton of profit on these. A few years ago I got an Epiphone T-bird with genuine Gibson pups, all mahogany, through neck. Total price: 500.
The average TGP Dentist: "hm they come in a nice case, ...what a steal"
Bro, your hair is just amazing!
The one thing that does hold true is that high end equipment holds value much better than cheap. Still super silly, buy yes, people will line up to buy them.
Laughs in Bare Knuckle 😂
lmaooo that's so stupid XD thanks for sharing, made me laugh XD
Look at Throbak prices for instance almost $800 for a set of PAFs. The guitar market has gone crazy and not just Gibson. I am a Gibson guy but I am so glad I bought my guitars at great prices.
Some people dont want good pickups, they want gibson. When i bought les paul custom , i didnt want SUPER GUITAR. I wanted les paul custom. It gives me inspiration and motivation to play every day, like no other guitar. If you have money , why not to treat yourself with pricy things.
But now i ask myself were all the pickups that came stock in these true historic and collectors choice and signature 59 and other reissues not authentic and therefore inferior to these? So like is my hypothetical 59 reissue not a real reissue until i put these in there?
W. C. Fields Quote: “It's morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money."
Only 1,000 of them and they come in a Lifton case.
If you're offended by the price, it's not for you.
If it's for you, you're an idiot.
I never said it was.
I wouldn't spend that much for pickups personally, but I recognize that there's a strong collector's market that any for-profit company would be an "idiot" for ignoring.
Thanks for the insult though?
the only way i could justify it it's having a 50' gibson husk and trying to make it like brand new 50' les paul to play it
At least these pickups won't suffer from headstock breaks.