Great video, we have just had a Tiler completely stuff this up but fortunately we had a plumber check it out before the bathroom reno progressed too far. Although we did have to remove the shower tiles and dig up the shower pit. The tiler did not fit a flange instead he cut a hole into a plastic looking cap and then affixed it to the plastic pipe with tape. We would have had major water issues.
Thanks for your videos mate - watched about 20 of them so far - love that they're not too long, bought some of your products as-well - specifically the Butyl squares and the joint bands!
Recessing those flanges in concrete or cement sheeting would a nightmare. The other query related to this is the floor may be flat or water does not actually fall towards drain especially on a wooden floor. In my mind the flange just needs to be placed on top of the screed and obviously recessed in. Bathroom failures in the past were mainly as a consequence of floor tiles being butted up against wall tiles.
So do recommend waterproofing under and over the scree? If you use the duddle flange and also a long drain grate, do you recess the flange and aslontge grate and waterproof it all in with the screed?
Hi Fufuel, please reach out to techicalsupport@rlapolymers.com.au and send through your photos. Our tech team will be able to assist you promptly! Happy waterproofing :)
Few concerns I have with your method, you did not FC11 the flange to the floor to stop it moving, and the square you put over the flange now creates a square lip around the flange, sort of pointless recessing the flange.
Hi Zane, Thanks for your comment, the use of the Butyl Square doesn't require any sealant around the perimeter of the flange, if a sealant was to be applied we would always recommend non solvent based. Additionally the Butyl square is .8mm thick, surrounding membrane should be 1.2mm thick which will give you a flush finish into the waste.
@@GripsetIndustriesPTYLtd 👍for the .8mm thick square, still concerned the flange was not shown to be mechanically fixed to the floor before the rubber was applied, the PF we use have always had 4 recessed screw points, we fix them in place with a thin bead of FC11 between floor and flange then Stainless screw the flange to the floor, this way the flange can never move, I would be concerned with your method shown, once the load from the plumbing is attached to the flange it will easily dislodge the flange as all that's holding it from moving is a bit of glue on the butyl rubber and a thin screed on top.
@@-PORK-CHOP- Thanks for your comment and for watching, you are right there is more involved than the sample shown on this presentation, if you would like more details you can call the tech Team 1800 650 435 or you can watch this updated puddle flange video ruclips.net/video/xIx8iycZC0o/видео.html thanks!
Thanks for your very informative videos. I'm also planning on doing both u/o screed shower waterproofing method, but lets say I'm using 100 mm drain pipe with two 100 mm puddle flanges, so in this case, at least the way I see it, the top puddle flange wouldn't actually fit into the one below...., unless I could find a puddle flange that sits flush onto the drain pipe so I could slide the top one through it....?
thank you for the note, you may need to use a coupling to join the puddle flanges. Both the coupling and the flange (over the screed) may need to be cut down to accommodate the height of the screed. For any other questions please feel free to contact us at techenquiries@gripset.com
thank you for the message. Use a holesaw cutter to set the flange in and to achieve the recess you can use a grinder. Gripset also has a Technical Product service feel free to either email techenquiries@gripset.com or call 1800 650 435
I am considering doing a under screed over screed membrane/sandwich style if you will. So it will be cement substrate then gc-1 or 4 then a liquid membrane then screed and then the gc-1 or 4 then another liquid membrane. Basically I want the thing dolphin butt tight and bullet proof. My first question is where you join or extend the lower puddle flange to the higher puddle flange on the screed. On the lower puddle flange do you need to use pebbles around the puddle flange weep holes like the yanks do so the weep holes are not blocked or obstructed? Second question. With the Butyl square is that bonded under the g/c membrane or over the top of it?
Thank you for the questions, it is a great question and there are some other details we would like to understand about your application, is it possible to call us to discuss further? You can either call our Gripset guru Alex on 0411 803 632 or you can email us your number and we can have Alex call you. You can email sales@gripset.com. We look forward to hearing from you.
Probably a bit late for your query, but check this out... ruclips.net/video/xB-pHqDaTJ8/видео.html. ''dolphin butt tight and bulletproof''. It's an Australian product (for the US market), but they don't do an Aust. version for our pipe sizes. I've contacted them and they were kind enough to send me samples to see if I could adapt it to Aust. plumbing sizes - no go. I feel that this should be the standard here.
Hi Giovotek, thank you for the message. Use a holesaw cutter to set the flange in and to achieve the recess you can use a grinder. Gripset also has a Technical Product service feel free to either email techenquiries@gripset.com or call 1800 650 435
Actually on second thoughts it all seems like overkill. If waterproofing was done on surface and on inside of pipe, it is probably just as safe as using a flange but without all the rigmarole.
Hi Shane, It will depend on the material, for cement-based material a diamond cup grinder blade and for timber a router or orbital sander 410 grit sandpaper.
Hi Stede, if you're achieving a full waterproof system as per required standard, then all the details of the system should be both under and over including the puddle flange. Thanks
how will that work when u only have 20mm screed bed a second puddle flange will not work ther must be a proprietary flange for.over and under waterproofing surely..
Hi lei, Sika flex is a solvent based product and should not be in contact with any Gripset membrane. BRW PF Square is specifically designed for leak control flanges, we have Gripset SB sealant gripset.com/products/gripset-sb/ as an alternative but BRW PF Square offers superior performance to sealant for flange applications. Thanks for watching!
puddle flanges are apart of the plumbing system .in Australia if you fit a puddle flange and you are not a licensed plumber you are doing unlicensed works .if a company like gripset is advising contractors to do works outside there scope ,does this make gripset liable for any issues from installation or licensing .
Thank you for a super informative video. I can now tick Puddle Flanges off the "HUH?" list with my new role at Bunnings.
Good on you Mick
Great video, we have just had a Tiler completely stuff this up but fortunately we had a plumber check it out before the bathroom reno progressed too far. Although we did have to remove the shower tiles and dig up the shower pit. The tiler did not fit a flange instead he cut a hole into a plastic looking cap and then affixed it to the plastic pipe with tape. We would have had major water issues.
really good summary of waterproofing around drains
Thank you Ian!
For any further enquirers feel free to contact Gripset on 1800 650 435 or via email at techenquiries@gripset.com
Thanks for your videos mate - watched about 20 of them so far - love that they're not too long, bought some of your products as-well - specifically the Butyl squares and the joint bands!
Awesome, thank you!
Hi very informative thank you, I am tackling a complete bathroom reno which failed due to mixer and perhaps poor previous install of the drain.
Hi, what's the disadvantage of double waterproofing (on subfloor and on the screed)? Thanks in advance
Thank you, I looked at this raised flange as an issue, now you have confirmed it for me, much appreciated 🍻cheers
Glad we could be of help Lynda! Here is another video on Puddle Flanges that may be of interest to you. ruclips.net/video/Zcvb5uVrVYc/видео.html
@@GripsetIndustriesPTYLtd is there a way to repair option 1 or 2 when it has failed? Fc11 the best u can? Cannot afford new bathroom yet
@@Jase-so2tm if you send a detailed description to info@gripset.com we can have our tech team take a look and offer some options, Thanks!
How about the lip that the square creates? It s at least 2mm high on the edge of the square.
Recessing those flanges in concrete or cement sheeting would a nightmare. The other query related to this is the floor may be flat or water does not actually fall towards drain especially on a wooden floor. In my mind the flange just needs to be placed on top of the screed and obviously recessed in. Bathroom failures in the past were mainly as a consequence of floor tiles being butted up against wall tiles.
Puddle flanges should always be recessed to avoid water build up full stop. But with the sheet over the top of it that is nothing short of brilliant!
So do recommend waterproofing under and over the scree? If you use the duddle flange and also a long drain grate, do you recess the flange and aslontge grate and waterproof it all in with the screed?
Hey there
Fantastic ,well explained!!
Thank you
You are welcome! We're glad you enjoyed this episode and thanks for your support! Keep an eye out for new episodes coming in the near future 😉
How do I send photos I’m about to water proof my bathroom but my piping drain doesn’t look like that 😢
Hi Fufuel, please reach out to techicalsupport@rlapolymers.com.au and send through your photos. Our tech team will be able to assist you promptly! Happy waterproofing :)
we can always learn something good video, keep up the good work
Thanks for your support and watching! Happy Waterproofing :)
Really good! Do you sell the puddle flange kit as well?
Few concerns I have with your method, you did not FC11 the flange to the floor to stop it moving, and the square you put over the flange now creates a square lip around the flange, sort of pointless recessing the flange.
Hi Zane, Thanks for your comment, the use of the Butyl Square doesn't require any sealant around the perimeter of the flange, if a sealant was to be applied we would always recommend non solvent based.
Additionally the Butyl square is .8mm thick, surrounding membrane should be 1.2mm thick which will give you a flush finish into the waste.
@@GripsetIndustriesPTYLtd 👍for the .8mm thick square, still concerned the flange was not shown to be mechanically fixed to the floor before the rubber was applied, the PF we use have always had 4 recessed screw points, we fix them in place with a thin bead of FC11 between floor and flange then Stainless screw the flange to the floor, this way the flange can never move, I would be concerned with your method shown, once the load from the plumbing is attached to the flange it will easily dislodge the flange as all that's holding it from moving is a bit of glue on the butyl rubber and a thin screed on top.
@@-PORK-CHOP- Thanks for your comment and for watching, you are right there is more involved than the sample shown on this presentation, if you would like more details you can call the tech Team 1800 650 435 or you can watch this updated puddle flange video ruclips.net/video/xIx8iycZC0o/видео.html thanks!
Thanks for your very informative videos. I'm also planning on doing both u/o screed shower waterproofing method, but lets say I'm using 100 mm drain pipe with two 100 mm puddle flanges, so in this case, at least the way I see it, the top puddle flange wouldn't actually fit into the one below...., unless I could find a puddle flange that sits flush onto the drain pipe so I could slide the top one through it....?
thank you for the note, you may need to use a coupling to join the puddle flanges. Both the coupling and the flange (over the screed) may need to be cut down to accommodate the height of the screed. For any other questions please feel free to contact us at techenquiries@gripset.com
very easily explained and very informative Thank you
Thanks for the video mate
Good stuff
Very well explained 🙂
very informative thanks. So how do you rebate a puddle flange into fibre cement flooring?
thank you for the message. Use a holesaw cutter to set the flange in and to achieve the recess you can use a grinder. Gripset also has a Technical Product service feel free to either email techenquiries@gripset.com or call 1800 650 435
Another good video- well done-
I am considering doing a under screed over screed membrane/sandwich style if you will. So it will be cement substrate then gc-1 or 4 then a liquid membrane then screed and then the gc-1 or 4 then another liquid membrane. Basically I want the thing dolphin butt tight and bullet proof.
My first question is where you join or extend the lower puddle flange to the higher puddle flange on the screed. On the lower puddle flange do you need to use pebbles around the puddle flange weep holes like the yanks do so the weep holes are not blocked or obstructed?
Second question. With the Butyl square is that bonded under the g/c membrane or over the top of it?
Thank you for the questions, it is a great question and there are some other details we would like to understand about your application, is it possible to call us to discuss further? You can either call our Gripset guru Alex on 0411 803 632 or you can email us your number and we can have Alex call you. You can email sales@gripset.com. We look forward to hearing from you.
Probably a bit late for your query, but check this out... ruclips.net/video/xB-pHqDaTJ8/видео.html. ''dolphin butt tight and bulletproof''. It's an Australian product (for the US market), but they don't do an Aust. version for our pipe sizes. I've contacted them and they were kind enough to send me samples to see if I could adapt it to Aust. plumbing sizes - no go. I feel that this should be the standard here.
Great Video thank you! How to you recess the flange into fibre cement sheet is this a special tool you use to cut such a perfect fit?
Hi Giovotek, thank you for the message. Use a holesaw cutter to set the flange in and to achieve the recess you can use a grinder. Gripset also has a Technical Product service feel free to either email techenquiries@gripset.com or call 1800 650 435
Can you show how to use the products as aposed to telling.
Sure thing, Matthew. We'll get onto it - stay tuned! Thanks 👍
Actually on second thoughts it all seems like overkill. If waterproofing was done on surface and on inside of pipe, it is probably just as safe as using a flange but without all the rigmarole.
Great video. What do you use to create the rebate?
Hi Shane, It will depend on the material, for cement-based material a diamond cup grinder blade and for timber a router or orbital sander 410 grit sandpaper.
Did you say two flanges if membrane under and over?
Hi Stede, if you're achieving a full waterproof system as per required standard, then all the details of the system should be both under and over including the puddle flange. Thanks
how will that work when u only have 20mm screed bed a second puddle flange will not work ther must be a proprietary flange for.over and under waterproofing surely..
how u can garranty membery tape not peal off from flanger. after mositure go inside, rather than i prefer trust sk flex
Hi lei, Sika flex is a solvent based product and should not be in contact with any Gripset membrane. BRW PF Square is specifically designed for leak control flanges, we have Gripset SB sealant gripset.com/products/gripset-sb/ as an alternative but BRW PF Square offers superior performance to sealant for flange applications. Thanks for watching!
puddle flanges are apart of the plumbing system .in Australia if you fit a puddle flange and you are not a licensed plumber you are doing unlicensed works .if a company like gripset is advising contractors to do works outside there scope ,does this make gripset liable for any issues from installation or licensing .
Hi Toob, Video encourages best practice and awareness. The bottom line is puddle flange must be installed correctly. Thanks for watching!
Great informative video. Thankyou
How’d do you make a rebate in an FC sheet OR a concrete slab?
Diamond blade on a 5 inch grinder