2018 Fiat 124 Spider ABARTH // A Cooler Miata?
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- Опубликовано: 9 авг 2018
- This week I face a conundrum. The Fiat 124 Spider Abarth is certainly flawed. So why then, did I really like it by the end of the week? (NOTE: when I discuss the trunk lights not working, I mean the lights INSIDE the trunk, NOT the brake lights or taillights and there is a switch to turn them on that I somehow didn’t see.)
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I always tell people that my 124 and the MX5 are half sisters; they were both birthed in Japan but the 124 has an Italian father. 🤣
I tell people my Fiat 124 is the MX5's evil cousin ... it just looks so much meaner!
I prefer the 124, i like the classic looks, and im not gonna be racing it, and the miata looks too futuristic to me
Fiat engine in 500 had many issues so i want to know what's issues in 124 water pump or radiator etc
It's a Miata with an Armani Suit
@@nelsonperez1577 it's different engine
I've been daily driving an Abarth 124 for a while now, and it's been my favorite car I've ever had.
Same here got mine for 17 love mine
It's my weekender. Love it.
@AJ88874 no. They're not notoriously unreliable anymore. The only unusual maintenance item is the 5w40 Euro spec oil, and you can't exceed the 5,000 mile interval or you risk harm to the MultiAir unit.
I'm about 2 1/2 years into daily driving it to the tune of about 30k miles since I got the car, and I've autocrossed it, with no unexpected issues.
I've had mine for about a year. I love it. It gets a lot of attention. Suggestions,
1. find sport mode, your turbo will kick in at around 2400rpm instead of 3200.
2. Add a cold air induction system, $345.
3. Upgrade your turbo diverter valve, $145.
4' If you are feeling really adventurous flash you CPU and give a tune, $799.
All this for about $1200. No more turbo lag. At the $2700 range you upgrade your turbo, $1500. It will increase your HP from 164 to around 250 with 284lbs of torque are the rear wheels.... All parts are bolt on and are easy to install. With upgrades the 124 Abarth will smoke anything in its class. Or you can just enjoy a great little roadster.
250 hp and 284 lbs ft out of 1368 cc equates to a specific power of 182.7 hp/lt and 207 lb ft / lt. the latter of which is considerably higher than the current A45S AMG. Extracting that much power and torque FOR SURE will shorten your engine life considerably. Remeber this engine is not the latest turbocharged powerplant like in the M3, A45S, C63 etc.
@@valentinorossi7771 not really, while these cant pull amazing numbers on a stock long block this platform is really neutered from the factory and has several inefficiencies. fixing those "issues" and providing more efficient flow and proper strength multiair springs because the stock ones cause leakage on a little higher boost, really wakes it up and thats not a crazy high goal if you go even that far. just an intake, downpipe, tune puts them around 200hp and you didnt stress anything but just let it breathe.
@@OwThatHurt46 when you compare 2 cars then it has to be stock vs stock and NOT one stock vs one modified. Just like saying in a fist fight one is equipped with a baseball bat so unfair. Fact is AMG A45S is more advanced in term of specific power and torque on paper than even the Ferrari Pista.
@@valentinorossi7771 can you show me where in my comment i compared two cars? or did you not even read it?
@@valentinorossi7771 IMO it is a good thing it is not a modern engine. It's cast iron, simple construction. I have a car with a Nissan MR engine from 2004: 1.6, turbo-charged, 230 hp in stock form: 143hp/lt. Visiting track days about 5 times a year. No engine problems so far. No oil consumption, no overheating. I bet Fiat's engine will be able to work long enough and then it will cost a reasonable amount to replace.
Agree with some of the previous comments that this is one of the best reviews for the 124 Spider. Thanks for telling such a great story about this little known gem that only a small number of people like us bought and enjoyed every minute of it.
Fiat engine in 500 had many issues so i want to know what's issues in 124 water pump or radiator etc .Is 124 spider reliable like 500 or not what's issues - how many milage u drove any one
@@human6593 I've had one for three years. NO engine issues. The only issue was a MAZDA rear suspension fail.
@@human6593mine has 72k miles and is 5 years old, been daily driven in connecticut the whole time, never an issue
in 20 years, this will look 1000% better than an MX-5
In 20 years it will be dead lol it’s a Fiat.
You just deliver, thanks for these very enjoyable but competent videos....
Thanks for watching!
The worst thing in Abart 124 is that doesn't have Alfa's 1.75 engine, it has 240HP :)
Thats because alfa romeo got pissy about it. The good news is you can tune these things to unreal power with stock blocks, so you can hit 240 no problem
@@ChrisIsObes3There's also that Greek tuning house that specifically works on Multiair engines. 500+ hp in one of these things that weigh around 2400 pounds? Free gapplebees for everyone lol
That being said, this review is really accurate. I have a 124 as well and the throttle response on the low end is wanting. My local autocross is small, so when I do go out to race it I'm forced to ride the clutch often to keep the revs high and the boost engaged and that shouldn't be the case, and for all the aftermarket bolt ons that are available for this car, the (two) tuning options, and the MSRP this car had while it was still being sold? Not worth it. Only now in the used car market does it make sense to get, and even then no more than $20k for low mileage. I'm very much happy with mine, I daily drive it and it's relatively rock solid except for some annoyances here and there, but I also only paid like $17k for the car used and it hasn't gone upside down only because the used car market is still insane post-covid.
I think your reviews are some of the best around.
Thanks!
Just a few mods on this engine and aaaaawwwaaaayyyyy you go. Perfect. I love mine
As someone whos civic got totalled and somehow finessed a lusso with the insurance check, couldnt love it more
I’ve owned two Miatas and now this 124. I am much more excited about driving this everyday. This car has much more character in my opinion. The difference is engines is true, but like he said...you fall in love with it. There really isn’t that much turbo lag to turn you away. The looks and compliments I get from complete strangers is incredible compared to the Miatas. People ask me if it’s a Porsche, Jag or even a Ferrari. I haven’t had one mechanical issue so I’m not sure what the speedo issues are he’s talking about. I live in a medium size Florida city and have not seen one other Abarth yet. It’s a head-turner for sure. I would wish these 6’3” guys would stop reviewing these small roadsters and complain about not fitting in them. Buy a Corvette then, the car isn’t designed for your frame.
I have to agree. The 124 is much more "interesting" to drive. And a lot more fun in my opinion. Even in non-Abarth trim. And an auto to boot.... don't judge... arthritic knees and rush hour traffic finally pushed me to an auto after decades of driving manuals...
There is no significant turbo "lag". The boost threshold is higher than a lot of turbocharged econoboxes. There is a difference. Too many people confuse the two.
I daily mine in North-East Ohio. Put good Pirelli winter tires on it, and I can cruise by the idiots who think AWD makes them invincible as they sit in a ditch waiting for a tow in the winter. I get looks every day and questions at least weekly about it, and still haven't seen another one in the wild around me, even though my dealer has sold plenty of them.
This one is a keeper. I don't buy a car for its resale value, I buy it because I love it.
I'm in Pembroke Pines and I only see a few. Only other like mine (white and black) with Veleno is in Miami Lakes. My neighbors thought I won the lottery. They all thought it was a $100,000. Dollar car. And I'm 6.1 and recaro seats
@@TimHarbison what about issues and parts cost brembo pads ets
@@human6593 Fiat no longer makes the 124. All the body panels are Fiat. The engine / exhaust / suspension / seats / some interior parts are Fiat. The windows say Mopar on them. The infotainment system & some dash parts are Mazda. So if you get into an accident with a 124 .... good luck finding cheap or ANY parts to fix it ! Dealers in the US is another sore point. So if you need repairs done again good luck. Oil changes are also a PITA as Fiat put the oil filter UPSIDE DOWN under the air intake ! Oil goes over everything under it.
You got the point in this review! I own a Dodge Dart with the same engine the the 1.4 multiair, the car wants me to downshift to 3rd gear if I'm cruising at 60 km/h and suddenly I want to push it!! It's not perfect but really fun, and all the people that tried my car agree with that.
Fiat engine in 500 had many issues so i want to know what's issues in 124 water pump or radiator etc .Is 124 spider reliable like 500 1.4
I love mine! It loves the windy hilly 2 lane roads in NE Kansas, Its' not so flat around here.
I'm in wichita in search of some fun roads....whats good up there?
@@justchillin619 Nothing is fun around Wichita, flat as a pancake , nothing but interstates and super two lanes... head out east into the flint hills, can find some more fun roads that direction, good luck.
There's some upgrades to reduce turbo lag, namely the GoFastBits DV+ turbo diverter valve
The Monza exhaust from Abarth is a dream for a 4 cylinder it sounds fantastic.
I drove it two times during a holiday on Tenerife as rental car
I have a 500 Abarth and I love the 124!!!
What a ridiculous review. I test drove both the MX-5 and the Spider before buying: chose the Spider hands down. Besides the great exhaust sound, the better tuned suspension, the quieter cabin, the Fiat offers exotic Italian looks that the Mazda simply cannot touch. Two years later, I still get unsolicited compliments from total strangers on my Spider. All I got on my NB MX-5 were “chick car” jokes. Fiat took a Miata and turned it into something that looks and feels well beyond its affordable price point.
You seem to car far too much what other people think. That's a clear sign of insecurity.
You seem to be a total douche
You are exactly right about turbo lag ... that killed me in my test of a 2017 Fiat 124 Spyder Abarth. Same with that clutch feel , WHY so heavy in a small sports car. My test drive went in traffic that clutch was killing my fun along with that lag ! I did the 124 test drive 1st & don't get me wrong I liked the way it looked however my test car was all white with black trim no flat black hood or trunk. Those Abarth badges are HUGE ! Red tach in the cluster was a nice touch. Next day I test drove a 2016 MX-5 Club with Brembo / BBS pkg. What a difference in feel ! Almost a polar opposite of the 124. Instant throttle response with a flat torque curve meaning power is there thru the entire rev range ( just don't go too far ). Light easy to use clutch makes shifting a joy NOT a burden ! Shifter just feels like it was made for my hand & the pattern was easy to know what gear your in unlike that 124. In corners the ND Club was athletic very quick to react to inputs , the 124 felt much heavier in corners. So I chose the 2016 MX-5 Club as my daily driver here in 4 season Illinois. Winter tires makes this car almost as fun in the winter to drive ! Yea the Fiat 124 has more exclusive ownership but back to back the MX-5 put the grin on my face constantly. For that there us no substitute. I do get why some people wpould choose the 124 but probably because they didn't do a back to back test.
Did u test 124 with brembo pkg ? As club or the basic?
@@human6593 The 2017 Fiat 124 Abarth Spyder I test drove had Brembo brakes & nice wheels. Much like my 2016 MX-5 Club soft top. In fact they were optioned exactly the same. Both 6 speed manual transmissions.
About the fairest back to back test you can do back then.
This a very good review mate. Showing both the positives and the negatives. You could have also shown the exhaust note, cos that's something that differentiates this car from the Miata. (of course this car looks a lot cooler than the Miata :P)
More on the 124 please! I like your take on this and wish the video was longer / had a follow up. I test drove this exact model earlier this year and it was great - you forgot to mention it’s a little higher and broader and turns flat in hard corners; stage one tunes apparently smooth out the torque curve and add pop-pop. I’m thinking the Abarth is my next, obvs.
I show up to our local SATX Miata club, the first time was fun as heck.
In the US, used with really low miles are going in the low $20k. I'm thinking to wait a couple more years to see how hard depreciation hits these and should be a really good value.
Eric Escott looked up depreciation the other day, in 3 and a half years I will get $0 for trade in.
Baron Von Toast Sounds like you’d better keep it then.
They are going up in value in Europe. My spec 124 is currently selling £4k MORE than what I paid for it two years ago. I paid £13500 in 2020 and the exact same spec car is selling on ebay for £17-18k Discontinued cars always go up in value. My dealer also emailed me 3 months ago wanting to buy it back!
It's worth pointing out that Fiata guys have an extra 5 inches on Miata guys.
I love my Fiat 124 Abarth. I like the looks of both the Fiat and Mazda, but like the Fiat better. I, too, have a Go Fast Bits Diverter Valve. Also, the car is sporting a Goodwin cat back exhaust. The 2.5” piping REALLY wakens the turbo up and it sounds amazing. The after market exhausts for the Miata sound good at idle, but sound like blenders at higher revs. They can’t compare to the exhaust note here.
Eurocompulsion gets some serious power out of the 1.4L Multiair Engine. With an intake only.
I got a stage 2 tune, with all the goodies. Runs awesome
Love your review ❤️👍 totally agree character is a massive and important ingredient for owning and driving any car. I have owned 5 MX5’s with a RF that the wife drives daily. I would love a 124 .
In a world that is becoming very clinical every 124 and MX5 sold gives us a hope that cars like the MX5 and the 124 and affordable convertible cars will be made for many years to come ❤️
What's your average mpg for stock and tune when regularly driving with a few hard accelerations?
if you like pure fun, this car is brilliant.
Please come drive my Eurocompulsion tuned 124 Spider in Ottawa. Tune and springs fix most issues. And it just needs a few more add ons to be amazing. Peak boost is around 3000 rpm.
honest review
Anything in life which is IMMEDIATELY likeable turns out to be dull and boring after a while. This is why Guinness is more interesting than Lager, or why Coca Cola only tastes good the first few gulps and after that you start to taste the acerbic after-taste. The 124 is a car for discerning people who appreciate heritage and a good old skool roadster. It's not perfect. I've owned one for 3 years, but it GROWS on you, with character. I've had Mx5s and they are good, but they are also a bit characterless and common and don't make you feel special. The 124 Spider makes you feel special.
4:00 this is how i felt abt the torque dip in the mk1 brz
Should have the new 2.2 Turbo as an option 270 HP to make it exceptional.
Add a throttle booster to improve initial throttle response and its light years better.
Regarding the slightly weird looks of the car, it's a complete homage to the design of the classic Fiat 124. All of the weird bumps and bulges and even the day light positions originated in the original 124. Stumbling across that car at an oldtimer show helped me understand, why the new one looks so strange
I really love this car's looks it looks like classic ...It has all the right parts, I just wish they would have used a turbo MX5 motor ! or at least a MX5 stock motor .
What's the prices now on a used Abarth 2018, low miles like 40k?? Thanks
I get my Abarth delivered tomorrow. The Australian version. I traded in my Kia Cerato GT.
And how it feels now?
@@ponjebach l'm very pleased with the Abarth.
I drove 500 Abarth it was an amazing experience...it s a Mad car, but 124 is gorgeous! As a weekend car I have a Lancia Thesis 2.4 Emblema in the garage...it is incredible machine.
The Fiat is way better looking than the Miata
It's gonna get FCA's new GSE/Firefly engine soon. 180hp and 270nm that are available from 1850rpm.
Heine Pedersen I hope you’re right. I’d be satisfied with the bolt-on hardtop they showed in Geneva, and official support for light tuning in 2019. Also hoping they’ll keep this for 2020 maybe RE-badge it as Alfa where it was originally intended.
@@acchaladka Gone , no more 124.
What music track is this?
As a normie I just want this car.
If electronics don't fail every other time and if the panels aren't crooked, then it's not giving you the full italian experience.
Would the 124 spider benefit from being tuned? I’ve been looking at some classica models and the prices have gone down on a lot of these-they tend to be cheaper than the Miata. It almost sounds like the turbo engine is similar to the 2004 Mazdaspeed Miata.
“The MX5 is way torquier?” So I own both cars, and I can promise 185 lbs at any rpm is more than 148 (151 in the 2019) at any RPM. Also if you we’re cruising at 50km in a MX5 in 4th and stepped on it, good luck! Great video production, but some incorrect and misleading info...
No. The immediacy of the NA engine in the mx5 trumps this in every way. Yea the abarth has more torque when you are fully in boost. But the Miata FEELS torquier because you have access to the torque immediately.
maybe its because you drive like a bitch and dont keep the revs high enough as a result.
Albert Maniscalco 🤔🤫
@@ThrottleHouse Especially from a stop. Every gear is an instant reward of torque. Unlike the Fiat 124.
Thank you FIAT for funding the development cost of the MX-5. Every time I drive my Miata I will think of your generosity.
As I will thank Mazda for co-funding, co-develop and building my Abarth 124 Spider.
@@Gentleman...Driver Yes , it was good to have a choice while it lasted.
Way more interesting than an MX5, and way better looking, but I am biased to Italian styling
as funny as it may sound, I would get this over Miata...!! currently in an elantra sport 6MT
Is 124 spider reliable like 500 or not what's issues - how many milage u drove any one
l have owned my for over 7 years,50,000 klms no issues at all. its fantastic.
Abarth or not, fiat ever came equipped with lsd?
Also much easier to tune than the Miata!!!
Where is James ??
You can actually 'thrash' (read: bad boy-like) the 124 in way you wouldn't in an MX5. The 124 is more fun guys!
#savethemanuals...I get why FIAT did what they did w/the interior, but they could have added a few more "Italian flair" IMO; however, I don't what the co-production agreement said/included. I'm pretty sure Mazda didn't want the Spyder to out Miata the Miata, so compromises were made. imagine putting the best of both cars into one; you could create the "ultimate" Mazdaspeed Miata. How much again for a "hand-painted stripe"; you've got to be kidding me. I'd like to see the 124 Spyder developed and carried over to the next iteration - 130, 142, 160 Spyder or what ever they would call it. Can you race it in the MX-5 Cup?
I too would have loved some italian words on the dash. Just a few minor details like "Benzina" instead of fuel or something like that. :)
@@Gentleman...Driver Or Fix It Again Tony !
Good review, however, the sound is much better with the now for 2019 available Record Monza Exhaust (standard in Europe), and the low end torque is fixed with the GFB Diverter Valve.
Yep GFB diverted valve is aftermarket?
Throttle House It is a $139.99 aftermarket part that 95% of owners get.
Just ordered a 2019 red abarth with some goodies such as the Recaro seats and Record Monza exhaust.
Then I’ll get the air filter, tune and get 200 horsepower.
Are we ever going to get the real Abarth in the states??
Mark Akin No, because it would be much more expensive with the new materials and all of the options being standard.
However, now we have all abarth badges, including on the fenders, the option for the real exhaust, the ONLY thing that is missing are dash materials (alcantara) and plaque in the middle...not a biggie.
Gabriel Flores What do you mean by that Diverter Valve? I'm from germany and dont know what you mean by low end torque must be fixed? What? ôÔ
I can see this car appealing over time and causing pride of ownership - a few hours at a press launch ain't going to give a fair impression. The turbo can be tuned to suit, though it is a shame that the motor from the 4C could not be used. That said, the new 2019 Miata has a development that is long overdue. No, not more power, it had enough power for the canyons already. The new development is a telescoping wheel, that alone is enticing enough to bug the dealer for a test drive. There are 2018 Clubs reduced to just under $25k at the local dealer, tempting but always think used Boxster is a better way to go than a new Miata.
Unless you are talking reliability. I shopped for a boxster for a while then got an NC Miata haha. Also this wasn’t a press launch. I had the car for a whole week.
Throttle House Yep, was agreeing that the week with the car was the difference. Motoman had the base Panamera and was expecting not to like it, but ended up thinking it was good. I also had an NB Miata (needed a foamectomy though google it) then an FRS.......but did test drive an old Boxster, it is a addictive. The owner let me drive it around the hills north of Santa Barbara, told me to keep the revs up....the sound is other worldly. It is not the Porsche reliability or even the IMS that concerns, but the maintenance of a Porsche is up there......but life is not a practice session!
93455Driver I agree with you. But a Porsche will cost you huge money for repairs, pricing the average guy right out of the market
@Monday, Tuesday Is My Weekend Sorry you had those kinds of issues. Have heard about the maintenance costs but also heard of folks who have had very few issues with Porsches, though of course read about IMS issues and bore scoring issues. Miata is always the answer, but have revved out a few older Boxsters and Cayman, loved the noise and handling. The current crazy Porsche prices make them a no go (plus no garage space)!
Where is James
Please help me choose between this, Miata, and SS convertible. I hate my wrx and I miss my S2000.
Volodymyr Shoniia buy this, miata are a dime a dozen, this will also have a much better resale, oh an btw I hate my 17 wrx...
There is a really good deal on a fully loaded (except for brembos and recaros) 2017 black abarth with under a thousand miles near me, too bad it's an automatic, I've only driven manual abarths and I'm afraid automatic is going to ruin the car.
19 Miata gets a telescoping steering wheel as well as more power (I'm pretty sure fiata will still have more power at my elevation which is above 4000 ft) as well as some other features, and I'm sure 19 fiata will get them as well, not sure if the power is getting increased or staying the same though.
SS convertible will be nicer for road trips and daily driving, but also a lot more expensive to own and less enjoyable at low speeds.
Ma Ss
My WRX is 18 and I have the worst buyer's remorse ever. My wife wanted me to get something nicer and more practical than my s2000. WRX seemed decent initially and I thought I'd get used to the clutch and the engine tune, and it would get better after it's broken in, but I ended up hating it more and more. Yes, I got used to some of its aspects, but it didn't make it better in any way. It's a capable car that is also extremely boring to drive, it's like my inputs don't matter and the car does everything for me, and it's really bad in traffic.
I actually enjoy driving a 16000 lbs+ equipment and materials work truck more than the WRX, the limits of that thing are so low that I'm always involved even though sometimes it is borderline scary.
Buy another s2000.
Throttle House
I thought about this, but then my wife would complain about the seats and noise again, she's really not comfortable in it and it scared her. She said she'd be ok with fiata/Miata (we found fiata to be a bit quieter, and I like its turbocharged engine more at our altitude), and she really liked Camaro(but that car seems like it's too much for the street and a lot more money on maintenance/insurance/gas/repairs).
I'm also considering a Mazdaspeed Miata, 2.5 or 3rd gen boxster (I've driven a couple 2nd gens and was rather disappointed), or even NC Miata (there is a flyin Miata supercharged one with brake and suspension upgrades for sale nearby). I was always curious about e46 and e92 m3 but there are too many issues and I'm sure I will be disappointed.
And I wouldn't mind something a bit more comfortable as well, having Android auto and a back up camera sounds nice.
And there is a gti/golf R as well as CTR(if we could find one without a mark-up) and upcoming Veloster N on the nice daily driver side.
WRX is trying to be fun to drive and nice/usable, but doesn't deliver either.
My moms dream car is a miata 😂👌
Not easy to weigh all the upsides this has against the huge downside of having a turbo motor (both Mazda's naturally aspirated units are dreamlike). Add the fact that you can be sure Mazda and its assistance network and spare parts will be around 10, 15, 20 years from now, while it's highlt dubious that Abarth/FIAT will (but then you can still use Mazda spare parts when something breaks, they are the same and what's not the same like dampers you can use custom ones). Very hard choice - and now the 124 has been discontinued in many countries, it's a time-limited choice if you want a new one.
You've clearly stated why it ISN'T a hard choice tho.
Canadia Spec 124s are less powerful - why? go figure! Ours get 170hp and go like the proverbial bomb.
I wanted to buy one but I found out that there is a great risk of engine failure before 50k miles 😪
I had a Mk 2 Mazda for years and loved it. The Mk 4 doesn't attract me because it looks naff?
The Fiat 124 Abarth doesn't look naff... this stuff matters!
Looks so so much better than the always kinda lame Asian brother. Other than that it’s a pretty (not so) sportive car 😂
2:13 It does not wake up until 4000 rpm? You are telling wrong stuff here which makes me wonder if you get paid by mazda.
For all interested i suggest checking out the torque graph of the Abarth 124: www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/2018/2407595/abarth_124_spider_mt.html
200 nm at already 1500 rpm and the max of 250 at 2500 rpm. I've driven one myself and the GOOD thing of this engine IS that you got lots of torque in lower revs. So what you're saying is just wrong.
I'm no fanboy and i'm going to buy the new MX5 myself but i don't like youtube videos that spread facts that aren't true.
Nope. Compared to modern twin scroll turbocharged motors this one feels dead at low revs.
You really make me struggle here man. I rly like your review but in this point i can't aggree right now. Ill have to do a testdrive again and watch out for that low rev range. I mean watch the torque curve. It tells absolutely different. And other youtube reviewers said so as well: Low rev torque but not much "fun" in the higher revs which is exactly the same feeling i had when driving.
Nice try, Thomas. Looks are subjective, of course, and both the MX5 and the 124 are beautiful cars imo. But the classic Italian sports car looks of the 124 really push my buttons. However, I owned (and loved) a fatally flawed Mazda RX8 with a stratospheric red line and NO torque, whatsoever. A dream on the track and a slug when I had to share a public road. It was like driving a 650CC Japanese motorcycle. The 124 appears to have a similar character.
Having spent some time in Italy, I can testify as to the gorgeous models of Milan. I can dream...but in the real world I'll appreciate my (also gorgeous) wife who is much, much lower maintenance.
Stephen Hendricks wow...
The beauty of this car is that its not only georgeous to look at, but doesnt need a lot of attention on the maintenance part. ;-) Its perfect wife material. Thrust me.
Pictures?
I actually prefer the Miata rear better. The Fiat 124 Spider has the generic lobster claw tail lights which look exactly the same as all the other Civics and Nissans and Toyotas out there. Following the trend and completely unoriginal from an "Italian" design perspective. I love the front end of the Abarth better, but the rear is just... ugh.
actually, the tails on the spider harken back to the tails on the original 124 Spider. I happen to own both an original 124 and a new 500 Abarth. Put the new 124 spider next to an original and the design completely makes sense. Having said that, I would love to drop the turbo 1.4 in under the hood of my spider in place of the 1800 that is currently sitting in that hole
It's Abarsthhhhsssss... like a snake would say.
My biggest complaint about the "new" 124 spider is that fiat stole the name off of the original. Makes it MUCH harder to get parts for my '77. I just wish they would have called it the "Fiat Spider" and left it at that.
Get a tune and be done with it.
better yet, roadstersalon.com
I would have to be blind and stupid to spend $50,000 on a car like this
And smart to wait a year for the massive depreciation we’re seeing.
50k is with the heritage stripes, navigation option pack with the Bose subwoofer and brembos. You can have a decently equipped abarth for just over 41k.
Il Cuggino Canadese 41? I'm on a different level I guess. I'll have more fun with my cheaper Subaru WRX Sti
Paid $12k after a trade in from $23k for a 17 Abarth
@tubarent You can't have a NEW WRX STI for under 45k in Canada. @Baron Von Toast Canadian or US?
So you take a car designed in Japan and put an Italian Fiat engine in it??? That is insane..
Can you take Italian designed car and put a Japanese engine in it? That it would amazing looking reliable car 😂
Fiata >Miata
I have ab Abarth 124 Spider. Why didn't I buy a Miata? They are fracking ugly and no Italian soul.
Slower, more expensive, and unreliable...pure genius. :-)
He means the italian parts (like the engine), but I dont think this is true. Fiat increased quality in the last decades. They are as reliable as other car brands.
Hyundais are theoretically unreliable because they're unreliable in the late 80s. Check it now, it's reliable. Honda's are reliable? Check out the transmissions it blew up in their mini vans in the mid 2000s. Never use an old technical data with new engineering developments, everything has advanced in today's times.
its built in JAPAN YOU FUCKING MORON
Albert Maniscalco you're really butt hurt by this aren't you. I was doing a Fiat reliability joke. mainly just because of my personal experience with two jeeps that I had owned. They were a 2015 wrangler and a 2016 grand Cherokee, and both had Fiat sourced v6s. But you're right...you should really get this worked up over this. Enter Albert...the brave couch commando throwing rocks from his mother's basement. :-)
Rook hey moron those engines predate FCA and jeep has had poor reliability for years, but dont let reality get in the way of a shit joke 😂 also im retired at 42 but again you’re reality challenged LMAO
Looks like a Miata that went a few rounds and lost swollen and defeated
Looks like a substantially less gay Miata soft top
The updated Miata for 2019 really makes this Fiat look bad
Hardly... the Fiat still boasts more torque.
Poor Thomas really having to pull to find something good to say about the fiata...it’s dead dude....accept it........stuff not working being cool...yeah..if it’s an Alfa or a Ferrari...not a fiata....if u show up in this and 5other miatas..all eyes go to you because u r the idiota that bought the fiata.....
I bought one of those and I totally knew what I was buying and I dont regret it. The Abarth makes so much more fun. It has character. Something that I was missing from the Miata, which isnt a bad car either. That said: Ive got mine brand new for 26,000 EUR. I think I have gotten great value for that price.
& Im James 🥲