The Myth of the Eye Test

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  • Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
  • “The eye test” is supposed to be the most important metric in football but recently, it’s become a biased viewpoint that people use to slander anybody that isn’t aesthetic enough for their tastes.
    From Jude Bellingham to Mo Salah to Bukayo Saka, it’s time to have a conversation about players that don’t get the benefit of the “pretty dribbling” lens on the modern idea of the eye test

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  • @Belligol.
    @Belligol. 25 дней назад +1429

    "The problem with the eye test is that really stupid people have eyes"

    • @yeatdagoat173
      @yeatdagoat173 25 дней назад +20

      Real

    • @totsh2056
      @totsh2056 24 дня назад

      Stupid people generally don't have the attention span to watch a whole match. Let alone re-watch and analyse it.
      I'll go with what my eyes tell me, thank you very much.

    • @martytu20
      @martytu20 24 дня назад +32

      Even smart people with eyes can still fall victim to cognitive bias.

    • @liverbot4854
      @liverbot4854 22 дня назад +9

      @@martytu20 Exactly. I watch Liverpool vs Man Utd and I think Quansah had a great game bar the misplaced pass, and United fans genuinely think he played badly. I’ve done the same the other way round too.

    • @LoyalFan9383
      @LoyalFan9383 22 дня назад

      @@liverbot4854Quansah did have a bad game that day though

  • @80HDpilled
    @80HDpilled 25 дней назад +1222

    The whole Salah vs hazard debate is an ultimate example of how the eye test can give people a false perception, because while hazard is the much better and more exciting dribbler, this has given people this false perception that Salah can't dribble and that he's basically a stat merchant which is crazy. Although I do think the eye test also works against certain players to a degree because while both Ronaldinho and Neymar are highly rated, I feel like people underrate their technical skills such as their passing shooting etc as their dribbling is what is mainly thought of.

    • @davidmoh175
      @davidmoh175 25 дней назад +14

      Spot on

    • @ViniciusJunior17
      @ViniciusJunior17 25 дней назад +148

      Yeah but Hazard is miles clear

    • @davidmoh175
      @davidmoh175 25 дней назад +105

      @@ViniciusJunior17 Not even close

    • @skfc9525
      @skfc9525 24 дня назад +177

      You can still use stats to compare hazard and salah, you just have to properly contextualize it. For example in 2018 hazard had significantly more touches, passes, long balls, dribbles than salah. That shows that hazard is player that’s involved in all phases of play while salah is mostly involved in just the final third. There’s nothing wrong with that. But it shows how different their approach to the game is.

    • @oprahside2.013
      @oprahside2.013 24 дня назад +44

      @@skfc9525yeah salah is more of a dominate the wing typa player, while hazard was more of a free roaming winger that can drop to the midfield and play as a 10 to start up the attack

  • @stealthiscool
    @stealthiscool 18 дней назад +119

    The eye-test was never meant to be “Do I find this player enjoyable or not?” It was always meant to be “is this player as good as his stats say in reality?” The word has absolutely lost all meaning the past few years

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 15 дней назад +16

      This. The eye test was supposed to check whether the stats were representative of the quality of the player, by checking if the player has good decision making, whether he is being carried by teammates, etc. Now it is how enjoyable he is to watch in a highlight reel.

    • @occelatus1063
      @occelatus1063 14 дней назад +4

      I agree and Bellingham is a good example. Although “stiff” he is strong as hell on the ball. However this season he was not as good as his stats. Not in Real Madrid, not in England

    • @roleoahotondji54
      @roleoahotondji54 14 дней назад +2

      ​@@occelatus1063 yeah, sure buddy.

    • @occelatus1063
      @occelatus1063 14 дней назад

      @@roleoahotondji54 irony or agreed?

    • @roleoahotondji54
      @roleoahotondji54 14 дней назад

      @@occelatus1063 I'm being sarcastic

  • @t_figs
    @t_figs 23 дня назад +119

    Twitter is a diseased app. A lot of these guys don’t actually watch football and are deluded to the fact that players spamming unnecessary skills ≠ ‘technical’ anyone that knows Football will know that Saka is one of the most technically gifted players just look at his first touch and the way he receives the football, even when he is back to goal only Hazard is as good as Saka when protecting the ball. People are just blinded when it comes to certain players they let their hate for them cover their actual ability.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 22 дня назад +4

      All you said about Saka is true, he’s just not enjoyable to watch. That’s just it.

    • @t_figs
      @t_figs 22 дня назад +12

      @@waynewayne8419 that’s fine he’s still a bad boy player tho

    • @omother6950
      @omother6950 15 дней назад +2

      Twitter accounts do actually know and watch football, it’s just they farm for engagement, and the more popular they have become people start to believe their views, especially those relatively knew to football.

    • @roleoahotondji54
      @roleoahotondji54 14 дней назад +9

      Saka isn't particularly technically gifted, don't gaslight yourself. It doesn’t mean he isn't efficient.

    • @apextheracer2022
      @apextheracer2022 6 дней назад

      hes not technically gifted but he is very effective

  • @dn2173
    @dn2173 25 дней назад +236

    I agree, this is why I separate eye test and aesthetic merchants, you described aesthetic merchants perfectly

    • @kcte8
      @kcte8 23 дня назад +23

      well it goes both ways because there are stat merchants who act as if aesthetic players are not efficient, the type of people who would say hazard / neymar / messi etc had a bad game because they didnt get g/a, even though they were the best player on the pitch

    • @Kevy808
      @Kevy808 23 дня назад +2

      ​@@kcte8 g/a is the most efficient part

    • @Nahanoo
      @Nahanoo 23 дня назад

      @@Kevy808what

    • @holylaci7539
      @holylaci7539 23 дня назад

      ​@@Nahanooyes if ur a forward player G/A is very important

    • @kcte8
      @kcte8 22 дня назад

      @@Kevy808?

  • @S14N9LS
    @S14N9LS 24 дня назад +160

    People, they're the worst. This is a rare example of common sense; the least common thing on the internet. Bravo.

  • @kevnev342
    @kevnev342 24 дня назад +235

    The majority of people don't really understand football. They've grown up on a diet of fancy compilations and silly freestyle football clips. Most people barely understand the fundamentals of professional football in terms of positioning, spatial understanding, pressing, first touch, what they do without the ball, etc. Put them in a game, and most will crumble.
    People, in general, have always appreciated fancy players' tricks, and I get that, but when it comes to effectiveness and impact on the game, it's usually the 'Saka's' that come out on top without people realizing.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 22 дня назад +1

      I mean good for you lot? They can come up more effective all they want but why should we appreciate them?
      Is it our fault other players are simply more enjoying to watch?
      No wonder football continues to lose followers.

    • @jamesrutterford576
      @jamesrutterford576 22 дня назад +37

      @@waynewayne8419Noones saying we shouldn’t appreciate aesthetic players as fans, the point is just that we shouldn’t mistake being entertaining for being good at football. Many people make this mistake.

    • @moayad_zh
      @moayad_zh 22 дня назад +21

      ​@@waynewayne8419Both are useless on their own, if the game leans too hard on the aesthetic then it's not professional play and all you're watching is a freestyle compilation with no one actually trying to win, and if you focus too much on the nitty gritty of the game you'll have parking the bus for 90 mins and flopping on every challenge to get a foul. The actual football we want is contrast between both and balance, where you can get a match consisting of multiple playstyles mashed together playing another team of multiple playstyles mashed together, that's where the beauty of the game lies, everyone has their own approach, not just one way to play. Trying to force one style down everyone's throat is ignorant.

    • @LoyalFan9383
      @LoyalFan9383 22 дня назад

      @@waynewayne8419Learn to read

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 22 дня назад +4

      @@moayad_zh who’s trying to force one style over another?
      Football is a product, no one wants to come watch people just passing the ball around doing nothing. It’s already losing viewers but you guys are so incessantly obsessed with trying to water down the sport

  • @amarevanhook7453
    @amarevanhook7453 24 дня назад +230

    This is the only sport that hates efficiency lmaoo some football fans are goofy as fuck

    • @johnbrad9463
      @johnbrad9463 24 дня назад +27

      Is it do look at boxing. Many people hate the likes of Mayweather calling him a pussy for the way he fights but his record is immaculate. But then Ali many consider him the goat has a far from immaculate record. But because he was flashy person and he had some very memorable fights people consider him the goat.

    • @0sman
      @0sman 24 дня назад +3

      @@johnbrad9463what you do outside of the ring makes you the goat. I don’t think anyone thinks Ali is a better boxer..

    • @penofficial_
      @penofficial_ 24 дня назад +3

      W pfp

    • @AvrilAlvarez
      @AvrilAlvarez 24 дня назад +4

      Basketball has been dealing with the same conflict too

    • @egusisoup1826
      @egusisoup1826 23 дня назад +8

      No. This is hardly unique to this sport

  • @kymanihall3174
    @kymanihall3174 23 дня назад +196

    I will never forget, England vs Switzerland quarter-finals - my dad texts me "Saka hasn't been very effective" and I was in disbelief because I watched this man in that very game beat the Swiss left back 5 or 6 times and absolutely everything dangerous England did that game came from him and then I'd also watch him sprint 90 yards to get back and provide decent support defensively - two minutes later he scores his banger and pops was quiet. I know if he had beat the left back with some crazy elastico/rainbow flick/jogo bonito concoction he would never have texted me that BS.

    • @embonaldo
      @embonaldo 19 дней назад +1

      tbf our LB/LWB is a center mid

    • @QuotidianStupidity
      @QuotidianStupidity 17 дней назад

      He was literally Englands only threat, it just didn’t lead to anything because Harry Kane is a lazy f**k who wouldn’t do his job and get in the 6 yard box

    • @ndungukush9523
      @ndungukush9523 16 дней назад +1

      😂😂😂😂 jogo bonito I ain't never heard of that one

    • @tindo9833
      @tindo9833 16 дней назад +14

      Saka is England's best player by a mile

    • @C.J1106
      @C.J1106 15 дней назад

      @@tindo9833 stop lying to yourself

  • @NewWorldOrderFAIL
    @NewWorldOrderFAIL 15 дней назад +22

    Case in point, Saka was England best attacker. Foden, considered silky did naff all. He doesn’t have the intelligence to run in to spaces or create spaces like Saka does. Foden is overly protected by the media

    • @AyubHassan07
      @AyubHassan07 11 дней назад +5

      Yeah it’s strange how Saka gets so much hate, maybe it’s just racism

    • @BLACKSTA361
      @BLACKSTA361 8 дней назад

      ​@@AyubHassan07Maybe? It definitely is

    • @Mango-p3o
      @Mango-p3o 2 дня назад

      Saka is always scapegoated for poor team performances when its rarely his fault

  • @AOTM2227
    @AOTM2227 23 дня назад +39

    A great example of a player that passes the eye test for me is Pedri. Not because he is fancy or silky. It’s because he understands how to seek space between lines a an elite level. He also sees passes other people don’t, so instead of choosing the safe option and passing it sideways or backwards, he dares to pass between defenders creating space and opportunities. His abillity to progress the ball through tight pressure with small combinations is also elite. While there are stats for progressive passes, there are no stats for vision, risk calculation, weight of pass, spacial awareness etc. Or atleast that i know of. When Pedri got injured last year, the flow of Barcas game got far worse and so did the results. You can’t quantify it you just have to watch it.

    • @mcgc93
      @mcgc93 15 дней назад +4

      Random but this is such a beautiful comment. So glad someone appreciates the guy, he's also so so elegant and a joy to watch, really sad what has been done to him workload wise and now he's out for 2 more months after that kroos kick. I really hope we can see him back at it after being taken care of in a better way and that they don't dare selling him :(
      (he should probably put on some serious muscle too to prevent injury, hopefully the new manager comes with a new physio /medical team cause boy, that club is a hospital.

    • @footygoatz7552
      @footygoatz7552 14 дней назад +1

      Someone who actually understands football,i don't get why all of a sudden people don't think Pedri is of the same level to the Judes and Musialas of this world,some say Camavinga is better than him but don't get me wrong Cama is a great player but he's nowhere near as technically gifted like Pedri

  • @dQuasi2
    @dQuasi2 21 день назад +51

    The way Bellingham plays is aesthetic and efficient. What a player has to do to not be called stiff? It is, biomechanically, very hard to play the way Messi has been playing.

    • @alandrian
      @alandrian 12 дней назад +5

      Even for messi's size he is unusually quick and agile. But yes the eye test can be decieving. Especially how some teams play.

    • @jenniferwang6367
      @jenniferwang6367 11 дней назад +7

      Bellingham not the most aesthetic player out there tbh, as a casual fan I prob won’t turn the tv on for him. But efficiency is what makes him good

    • @faizantahir6228
      @faizantahir6228 11 дней назад

      Its not hard to play like messi.

    • @alandrian
      @alandrian 11 дней назад

      @@faizantahir6228 lol most people dont train thier bodies to beable to play like him or are just too tall.

    • @jvr6272
      @jvr6272 11 дней назад +4

      @@jenniferwang6367I completely disagree, Bellinghams body movement and the way he swings his legs and arms are very uniquely aesthetically pleasing, the way he dribbles with his wide shoulders and wide arms. that’s why he is widely known to play like Zidane

  • @banjo69420
    @banjo69420 24 дня назад +31

    The eye test only matters when it’s something you wanna see for some people, as if everyone is going to play the same exact way

  • @sinaRambo
    @sinaRambo 22 дня назад +45

    Suprised Havertz isn’t in the thumbnail too. He’s such a unique player

    • @olliemcdowell4503
      @olliemcdowell4503 20 дней назад +20

      Someone said you can judge how much a person knows about football based on how they talk about Havertz and I think that’s spot on

    • @omother6950
      @omother6950 15 дней назад +3

      @@olliemcdowell4503Havertz from what I’ve seen in a confidence player, in his early chelsea days he looked like such a dangeorus player but the longer he stayed he didn’t look right. Joined arsenal and a few months in he was firing for the gunners again. But as a 9, he also has elite tactical understanding. So I can see why he’s a starter but his finishing can really be so detrimental, he has a tendency to miss easy chances

    • @rannynihilius8481
      @rannynihilius8481 13 дней назад

      ​@@omother6950 as a german i hope that he will succeed Gündogan on the 10, when the time is right.
      Kai allowed players like Musiala and Wirtz to shine at the Euros with his genius positioning off the ball but i'd prefer having him + a real 9 like Füllkrug or Undav on the pitch at the same time.
      I still think that his 8 position suited him better than the CF role with his headballing capeabillities and one on one strengths, if Arsenal can sign a real 9 but if Jesus stays the only other option then taking Havertz as a CF would be fine again.

    • @omother6950
      @omother6950 13 дней назад

      @@rannynihilius8481 arsenal do need a 9, however they still scored over 100 goals last season without one. They can definitely win trophies with Havertz and Jesus as the 9’s

    • @maxbigavelli6586
      @maxbigavelli6586 11 дней назад +1

      @@omother6950yh the carabo cup no No.9 no trophies for Arsenal

  • @BLACKSTA361
    @BLACKSTA361 8 дней назад +2

    Hazard saying hes more talented than Ronaldo is a perfect example of this

  • @tt18sp94
    @tt18sp94 20 дней назад +14

    I think another key aspect people overlook is off-the-ball movement and positioning.
    Haaland is a massive shout, his presence alone changes the defensive shape for a lot of teams. And if he doesn't score or get an assist - he is called for being useless. Yet, if you do any analysis, you can see that his positional play and runs are what creates the opening for either Foden, Silva or KDB to take advantage of.
    Another good example of this is how Odegaard commands his team forward and reads the game.
    Sure he has a lot of flair in his play but what enables him to be so impactful and game changing is his ability to scan and read the game prior to getting the ball (He is always looking around). As well as his ability to constantly press all throughout the 90 - its something a lot of 'highlight' bozos miss.

  • @ApexCris
    @ApexCris 23 дня назад +6

    Similar story with Vinicius, he's the most efficient winger in the world right now, yet I often hear people discrediting him because his dribbling style isn't elegant enough. To an extent I get it, it often looks like the seas part for him, but if that's happening consistently, it's probably not a coincidence.

  • @Jeff_2x
    @Jeff_2x 24 дня назад +63

    The aesthetic bias is a real thing man because why do I see some people genuinely believe Neymar is “closer” to Ronaldo then Ronaldo is to Messi just because of the aesthetic bias lol and this is coming from a guy who loves Neymar. This also exist in sports like Basketball as well.

    • @stellaada6600
      @stellaada6600 24 дня назад +12

      I Don't think anyone is talking about career when they say neymar is closer to Ronaldo then Ronaldo is to messi i think they're taking about ability and I agree if there taking about ability not aesthetics but like dribbling touch weight of pass ball carrying close control these are the attributes that people will say neymar is better than Ronaldo not career or goalscorer

    • @pauliyonas3576
      @pauliyonas3576 24 дня назад

      Ronaldo from 2006/7 season to 2013/14 season have everything in his game man
      Go watch Ronaldo 2009/10 season one of the most entertaining season by a player in football history@@stellaada6600

    • @KidneyJones
      @KidneyJones 24 дня назад +12

      Neymar's on ball ability (bar his driibbling/skill moves) is seriously underrated, his passing(both long short, and through balls), his finishing e.t.c, so when people say that he's closer to Ronaldo than Ronaldo is to Messi, I think they're trying to say that Neymar is better at PLAYING football compared to Ronaldo, but Ronaldo's had a better career and has better numbers.

    • @hazardcfc539
      @hazardcfc539 23 дня назад +9

      The irony is even based on "aesthetics" ronaldo is easily on par w neymar if you consider his 2006-2008 version

    • @hazardcfc539
      @hazardcfc539 23 дня назад +2

      @@KidneyJones The whole point of the vid is things like positional awareness, aerial ability, raw speed, ball striking, etc. are part of "playing football." People think that "pure footy" is only things you'd see in london cages.

  • @DynamicUnreal
    @DynamicUnreal 4 дня назад +2

    The truly great generational superstars can do both at the same time.

  • @Shnackaryy
    @Shnackaryy 22 дня назад +10

    I love how you incorporate basketball as well and other sports using it as analogy it really helps put things into perspective

  • @J_mello12.
    @J_mello12. 24 дня назад +8

    so nice how we still have people who understand what football is, thank you Fam!

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 22 дня назад +2

      Except this has never been in football, you guys are just new fans and that’s why we are having robotic wingers now

    • @syedasadhaider4677
      @syedasadhaider4677 22 дня назад +3

      @@waynewayne8419 we have "robotic wingers" now, because one man in todays systems is not the only person a winger has to beat. That's why most high level players and teams like saka, bellingham, doku, bernardo silva, kdb, prefer passing around players rather than dribbling through 5 of them, as they have a way higher chance of scoring that way.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 22 дня назад

      @@syedasadhaider4677 then why watch a match lmfao, I’d rather just watch highlights if that’s what’s going to be happening

  • @AndrewTheStuat
    @AndrewTheStuat 25 дней назад +111

    Neymar/Ronaldinho comps have done irreversible damage to how people view the game. If you arent doing outlandish runs and dribbling then forget about people rating you in the modern era
    Kroos went under the radar because his passing wasnt as outrageous as Guti(Real Madrid) or Ozil despite being the most efficient passer of the ball that i have ever seen
    For a lot pf the guys who swear by the eye test, they will use a ridiculous strawman(Lampard vs Maradona and Zidane) to discredit stats whsn there is a whole world of stats outside G/A
    Look at how diaz cost liverpool the title by lacking the finishing touch of Mo salah but that wont matter to eye test merchants because he cooks his defenders here and there
    Good vid by the way

    • @davispaul2279
      @davispaul2279 25 дней назад +3

      Factos

    • @elinelson19
      @elinelson19 24 дня назад +23

      exactly, I think people forget how the pro level is. You can’t dribble through 5 elite defenders unless ur an absolute talent. It’s OKAY to not be as talented or skilled as Neymar or dinho.

    • @davispaul2279
      @davispaul2279 24 дня назад +12

      @@elinelson19 yeah, like look at Ronaldo he’s not as skillful on the ball as Neymar but is still 10x better than him because football isn’t just dribbling

    • @elinelson19
      @elinelson19 24 дня назад +13

      @@davispaul2279 I think Ronaldo is skillful in general. Especially before he became a true 9. He was just a pure winger all his career until 09’ he was hella skillful but Neymar was more. It’s just that such skillers set the bar so high so that you need to be doing 89 rainbow flicks to be considered elite. It’s also about your production. Skills and dribbling are used to create space or to eliminate a man from the equation. Such for if you can beat your man but can’t finish. What good are you to the team?

    • @davispaul2279
      @davispaul2279 24 дня назад +4

      @@elinelson19 yeah, people talk about Neymar vs Bayern in 2021 but he missed 5 easy chances that game

  • @joshuachrzanowski5750
    @joshuachrzanowski5750 21 день назад +11

    Great video, never heard of this until today. I think Thomas Müller is a victim of this. He has all these trophies, assists, goals etc, but no one really cares because he’s not “flashy”. He just super efficient and does the job without showboating. A lot of people only care about the aesthetics because of like Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi and so on. People set unrealistic standards when it comes to this stuff. Like of course it’s cool to do a flashy move but it’s much better to be effective.

    • @AJ-nd4nk
      @AJ-nd4nk 15 дней назад +4

      Been saying this for years. If you're a young kid that wants to get into football. Watch Muller, not Neymar. Effective football over circus tricks any day of the week.

    • @BLACKSTA361
      @BLACKSTA361 8 дней назад

      ​@@AJ-nd4nkWatch Prime Cristiano Ronaldo if you want to get the best of both Worlds

    • @JerrenBrewster
      @JerrenBrewster 3 дня назад

      @@AJ-nd4nk While I agree with your overall point, efficiency is not the end of it for football watchers. From the players perspective ,yes. However , sports is about entertainment, and I watch to be entertained. Do you get what Im saying. Btw Muller was/is my favourite player. Im just saying you dont have to go to the next extreme of sayings skills are circus tricks.

  • @patricmarshall8414
    @patricmarshall8414 22 дня назад +8

    Great short vidéo! Saka is an amazing talent and gets routinely attacked by fans and sport pundits alike, despite his EXTREMELY CONSISTENT contributions to Arsenal and the England national team. Most likely due to aesthetic bias, as you said, but also due to race I imagine.

    • @AyubHassan07
      @AyubHassan07 11 дней назад +1

      Yeah he got way more hate than other players. Even when Kane missed a penalty vs France, nobody really remembered it

  • @soloplays4557
    @soloplays4557 24 дня назад +33

    Eye test stops the bs of people claiming one player is better than another simply by g/a. There’s reason why certain players have less g/a and it’s not always to do with ability things like system, teammates, style of play etc. it only works with top players tho because you can’t say antony is better than saka

    • @kcte8
      @kcte8 23 дня назад +11

      exactly!!! people act like players with less g/a are only aesthetic and are not efficient, whereas they are efficient but in different ways other than finding goals and assists (e.g hazard)

    • @lost1head
      @lost1head 18 дней назад +1

      There are more stats than just g/a

    • @jenniferwang6367
      @jenniferwang6367 16 дней назад

      @@soloplays4557 100% agree. Whenever people say Bellingham is clear of x player because he has more g/a is so annoying

    • @jenniferwang6367
      @jenniferwang6367 8 дней назад

      @@BLACKSTA361 did we watch the same euros?

    • @BLACKSTA361
      @BLACKSTA361 8 дней назад

      @@jenniferwang6367 if youre basing your entire opinion on a player on a single tournament then youre no better than the eye test merchants.
      People like you are the same people that try to downplay Ronaldos achievements cause of the world Cup 2022. If you let a single tournament overshadow everything else then you might not understand Football and even Sports as well as you think you do

  • @Goalie9117
    @Goalie9117 23 дня назад +4

    spot on analysis of Dembélé. I used to get so excited when he would get possession but I've seen it time and time again now where he flubs almost every chance he gets with a terrible cross or even worse shot. It doesn't matter if you can get around your defender if you are unable to consistently do anything with the ball afterwards. I was shocked when he got man of the match in the quarter finals. I thought it should have gone to Maignan

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 22 дня назад +3

      I mean as inconsistent as he is, he’s still very good to have on the pitch because you can always bet on his ability to beat his man and cause chaos for the team at the back.

  • @yamboy808
    @yamboy808 6 дней назад +1

    You cooked with this narrative. If the eye test is what people think it is, why is Arjen Robben considered world class. Robben was not a flashy player, but he was damn effective. Saka reminds me of him

  • @ind3n
    @ind3n 23 дня назад +2

    This really highlights the differences in what the audiences want to see in a football match vs what managers want to see in a football match. Audiences naturally wants to be entertained by flashy players that have flairs in them but managers wants players who produce results regardless of how they achieve those results. The eye test is definitely not the end all be all of a player's skill but taking risks is part and parcel of football and what makes sports fun to watch in general.

  • @mast76
    @mast76 22 дня назад +24

    Ozil fans who rate him higher than De Bruyne in a Nutshell

    • @iceade9842
      @iceade9842 20 дней назад +1

      Idk man I think Ozil’s vision and brave approach with his creativity sets him apart he sees things no one else would see and he does stuff that is stupidly brave but works

    • @olliemcdowell4503
      @olliemcdowell4503 20 дней назад +8

      ⁠@@iceade9842ozil doesn’t do anything better than de bruyne besides play aesthetically

    • @iceade9842
      @iceade9842 20 дней назад +3

      @@olliemcdowell4503 that’s a wild take man, look at his number whilst being on that God awful Arsenal squad

    • @olliemcdowell4503
      @olliemcdowell4503 20 дней назад

      @@iceade9842ok now look at Kevin de bruynes numbers for the past 7 years. Better in every metric

    • @mast76
      @mast76 20 дней назад +3

      @@iceade9842 Awful Arsenal squad? Numbers ? Are you fine my guy ? De Bruyne's worst season in city is better than Ozil's best lol

  • @monde7563
    @monde7563 24 дня назад +6

    I think the eye test is less about aesthetics and more about intangibles that datarooms find difficulty measuring. Good shout for Jesus. Same with Alexander lacazette, Granit Xhaka, ngolo kante, Kai Havertz etc all unusual players with glaring weaknesses in the data but indispensible to their teams style of play. Looking at stats only, no one would pick kante, but seeing him play you know his IQ is insane. He can almost see plays before they happen. An overlooked aspect of his game is driving forward and starting he attack. Mans can do everything.

    • @totsh2056
      @totsh2056 24 дня назад +5

      Exactly! When someone who really watches football is talking about the eye test obviously he's not talking about fancy flicks and tricks. And they would never be surprised if the stats show how effective or ineffective a certain player is.

    • @savaugee7322
      @savaugee7322 24 дня назад

      ​@@totsh2056Exactly 90% of the eye test is what the player does off the ball

    • @Squidward-jv7go
      @Squidward-jv7go 16 дней назад

      Agreed with everything you said except Lacazette, he was a bum and outclassed by every other player you mentioned

    • @tariqomer4678
      @tariqomer4678 16 часов назад

      Jesus is a frustrating player. He has a great ability to hold the ball. However, in many cases, he holds on to the ball way longer than he should. It's almost as if he is quite hesitant and irresolute.

  • @nxtvisuals
    @nxtvisuals 4 дня назад +1

    Football fans watch football for entertainment, it's that simple. I always ask people, why should I care how many trophies/achievements a player has if he doesn't play for my club?
    When I watch games that dont involve my team, I could care less about G/A or other data driven metrics. Who stands out and keeps you on the edge of your seat is the only metric we need.

  • @abigbiscuit
    @abigbiscuit 4 дня назад +1

    haaland is prime example of having zero aesthetic but is obviously better than most

  • @PontentialDemon
    @PontentialDemon 24 дня назад +3

    A good example of this is that studies done in the Netherlands on scouts have shown that traditional scouting is incredibly inconsistent with different scouts identifying different and contrasting qualities on players when given historical footage to look at. Gotta be able to do it all and actually contextualise what players are doing whether its watching or doing stastical or data analysis

    • @ssuk12
      @ssuk12 20 дней назад

      underrated comment

  • @tobaepebinuade5830
    @tobaepebinuade5830 25 дней назад +43

    The best way to judge the ability of a player is a combination of stats and the eye test. Stats like G/A chances created completed dribbles interceptions made tackles etc, that’s an indicator of what a player can do, but it doesn’t capture the full picture of their abilities. Those who use match ratings to determine how well a player played or not are ones who probably don’t watch football.
    A prime example of this is the Eden Hazard vs Mohamed Salah debate. This has been a debate that’s been going on between premier league fans for a while as some think that Salah is better because of his dominance on the stat sheet, while others say that Hazard is better because he’s a pure footballer and he passes the eye test and you can’t have it both ways. As Salah has aged his overall game has declined as he’s lost a yard of pace, his dribbling has dropped off as well he’s not known for being flashy or aesthetic compared to other elite wingers, but at least he manages to put up great numbers and get a lot of goals and assists, Hazard on the other hand his game is more attractive to watch and that’s because whenever he has the ball, he’s can pick it up from his own half and create something out of nothing produce magical moments and he would dribble like 4-5 fullbacks a game. Players can impact the game without being flashy or skillful and from watching them with your eyes, you can see what they can truly do without looking at stats or Sofascore to check their match ratings so that you can push an agenda.

    • @brzt4256
      @brzt4256 24 дня назад

      So, what are you saying? Is Hazard or Salah better? You can say "it has to be a combination" but that doesn't really say anything either. The eye test will still fool you if you're biased for a certain playstyle, even if you also look at the actual stats.

    • @chy.0190
      @chy.0190 24 дня назад +18

      ​@@brzt4256the more efficient footballer is objectively better for the team. So in this case Salah. A "washed" Salah can still score 20 goals a season, a washed Hazard is retired and been irrelevant for 6 years.

    • @Maliyudash
      @Maliyudash 24 дня назад

      @@chy.0190 im a fan of this analogy

    • @acham182
      @acham182 24 дня назад +4

      @@brzt4256 true, bias is always involved. Eden Hazard takes the cake for me, the ability to affect all phases of the game is invaluable. Those kind of players are the true essence of football, stats will serve you for a while but that’ll be that. A great example is Benzema vs Kane, you could score all the goals you want but you need to have certain flair and execution to be truly remarkable in the sport for me. But Hazard vs Salah people forget they were both at Chelsea at the same age and we all know what happened

    • @acham182
      @acham182 24 дня назад +4

      Modern football is washed with stats so I know that’s why some of these arguments come up, by this analogy then Erling Haaland is the greatest striker the premier league has seen

  • @elbow2132
    @elbow2132 20 дней назад +2

    As someone who is just now paying more attention to soccer/football, the Curry vs Kyrie comparison instantly made me understand. Great analogy

  • @luunars
    @luunars 2 дня назад +3

    BROOO I REMEMBER WHEN U WAS JUST GETTING INTO SOCCER 😂😂😂 U COME SO FAR BRO KEEP IT UPP

  • @jvkanufan8115
    @jvkanufan8115 22 дня назад +3

    I enjoy the breadth of expression in football. Flair vs efficiency - both are equally important and the struggle between these qualities for me is what is interesting.

  • @user-ek4gl2bl3u
    @user-ek4gl2bl3u 24 дня назад +3

    When I use the eye test, its more about noticing who has the ball for most of the game, not necessarily what skills they produce. Its more a way to see who is ghosting, as opposed to seeing who is playing exceptional in my opinion.

    • @jamesrutterford576
      @jamesrutterford576 22 дня назад

      Not having the ball doesn’t always mean you’re ghosting though…

  • @mxightymike
    @mxightymike 23 дня назад +5

    I’m a Celtic and Boston Celtics fan. I love football and basketball and ur channel is literally the perfect blend. Ur like footballs Jxmyhighroller.
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  • @kirbyfoss817
    @kirbyfoss817 16 дней назад

    Really really well done video, as a salah stan you’re making the same argument ive made countless times in such a clear and concise way. Earned a sub

  • @lucasalaniz76
    @lucasalaniz76 24 дня назад +24

    It's really relative. There are different types of "progressive actions", "dribbles attempted/completed", "g/ax90", etc, which infer different levels of difficulty. That's why eye test is essential, and over stats. If you know football, you don't need Rodri's, Busquets', Kroos', Xavi's, Pirlo's, Scholes' passing stats to know how dominant they are, or whatever. You don't need Kane's and Haaland's stats to know they are different players, each with their own strengths and flaws. Stats provoke that you end up thinking of a french League mid table team's no.6 as an amazing player because he has 75 short/mid range x 90' and 2.1 key passes... You just have to sit and watch them for x amount of games until being so familiar you can confidently talk about their playstyle, strengths, weaknesses, things he can improve, tactical profile, etc.

    • @lucasalaniz76
      @lucasalaniz76 24 дня назад +8

      And the winger thing is stupid. Nobody is out here critisizing Saka when he is one of the best EPL players. He is most definetely not stiff and has a great repertoir of things he can do, you shouldn't base things off a couple twitter dudes. Ofc being an electric winger such as Vinicius, Neymar, young Dembele, means you have an immense advantage over other wingers because of your capability to exploit the opposite defence out of nowhere, but nobody underestimates players like Mahrez, Pires, Salah

    • @chy.0190
      @chy.0190 24 дня назад +2

      Problem is eye test is based on how the person views football.. Stats are objective. Both are necessary imo.
      With alot of people nowadays though, eye test just means someone who looks more aesthetically pleasing.

    • @lucasalaniz76
      @lucasalaniz76 24 дня назад +5

      @@chy.0190 it's not. If you base someone's level off highlights, it's probably gonna be based off aesthetics, but if you watch actual games it won't be that way. Stats depend a lot on the context of the player.

    • @Jamesbenn1112
      @Jamesbenn1112 21 день назад +2

      Nah I disagree. Eye test is based off a person personal preference of football. On sites like fbref they have all these stats in detail. Chances created. Through balls, key passes, shot creation actions. All these thing and more. If a person you think is good from ur eye watch but isn’t having high Numbers in these these areas. For example if a centre midfielder hasn’t got high key passes, hand creation, tackles, interceptions, low possession lost, duel success percentage. Then you have to question what the player is actually doing. Surely ur eyes are at fault if he isn’t putting up good numbers in those stats.
      But it’s good because looking at fbref and sqwauka the top players we all know of e.g Toni Kroos has ones of the highest chance creation, key passes etc

    • @Jamesbenn1112
      @Jamesbenn1112 21 день назад +1

      Stats matter a lot because. People often will say Modric is better than Kroos from their eye test. But all they are seeing is Modric doing a dribble or doing a fancy pass. Whilst me as an ex semi pro footballer when I watch Madrid game I see Kroos passing between lines breaking lines, switching the play. Creating chances. And the stats back it up e.g Since Kroos joined Madrid. 2nd most big chances created after benzema. 1st most key passes. 1st most assist. 1st highest passing accuracy and long ball accuracy. 2nd highest Sofascore rating after Ronaldo.
      But since Kroos is stiff and not as silky as Modric or iniesta they Weill say those 2 are better than him when in reality Kroos is having a far bigger impact in the game and even has the most basic stat (goal + assist) per game better than those two. Whilst also winning more trophies than Modric. It also doesn’t help that balondor and other awards rankings favour silky/ fancy players and attacking players.

  • @rebekah4679
    @rebekah4679 17 дней назад +7

    This is a bit of a tangent but i love how relentless Williams is. He isn't deterred by unsuccessful take-ons.
    He is still has a long way to go and grow, though.

    • @amarevanhook7453
      @amarevanhook7453 13 дней назад +1

      Constantly put pressure on Walker and England in the final until it paid off, baller

  • @marcushenry6020
    @marcushenry6020 14 дней назад +1

    I think we’re in an era where fans would rather trash a bunch of top talent to prop up their favorite player rather than have fun talking about the elite players and just having a preference as to who your favorite is. Just because that’s your favorite player doesn’t mean they are objectively the best or that other players are objectively bad. I see across all sports and it’s tiring.

  • @Lancelot9587
    @Lancelot9587 18 дней назад +1

    Great video! First video I’ve seen from you and I love the style, commentary, everything. Definitely subscribing for more!

  • @raphaelnasser7084
    @raphaelnasser7084 24 дня назад +7

    Stats are more than just goals and assists, you can look at xg, xa, passes completed, pass %, dribble success rate, fouls won. If players ‘eye test’ can’t be quantified in any of these stats then what ever ‘eye test’ they are doing is pointless and purely aesthetic

    • @kcte8
      @kcte8 23 дня назад +10

      ur wrong. for example, so many players these days are being praised for having high pass success rates but when you actually watch them you realise that they rarely attempt a progressive / killer pass or take risks - majority of the passes are backwards or sideways. dont act as if the eye test is flawed and stats are not, when in reality stats are the thing that can create false pictures and deceive. you can never be deceived when actually watching the game

    • @nakiyame2606
      @nakiyame2606 23 дня назад +2

      ​@@kcte8there are stats for progressive passing and through ball attempts mate, lol.

    • @kcte8
      @kcte8 23 дня назад

      @@nakiyame2606is that average person going to see that on social media / look for that?

    • @kcte8
      @kcte8 23 дня назад +3

      @@nakiyame2606 that doesn’t make what i said wrong, that literally shows that certain stats can be deceptive if other stats arent included with it. whereas that can never be the case with eye test

    • @Mika-hz3op
      @Mika-hz3op 22 дня назад +1

      ​@@kcte8can never be the case with eye test? The original comment is right, what does the eye test actually measure? It's very subjective and can be even more deceptive than just using stats

  • @davidgabra6308
    @davidgabra6308 19 дней назад +4

    No joke I never heard about Sakabefore the euros but after watching him for 2 games he became prob my favourite player on England squad.

    • @omother6950
      @omother6950 15 дней назад +4

      U live under a rock?

    • @AyubHassan07
      @AyubHassan07 11 дней назад

      @@omother6950
      That’s valid, it’s fun to watch Saka. Do YOU live under a rock omother6950?

    • @omother6950
      @omother6950 11 дней назад

      @@AyubHassan07 how have you not heard about saka he’s literally one of the best players in England

    • @apextheracer2022
      @apextheracer2022 6 дней назад +1

      @@omother6950 pretty sure hes a new fan

  • @venvilhenrydsilva8354
    @venvilhenrydsilva8354 6 дней назад

    Saka is amazing, his balance and strength makes him better than any winger out there. Me being an Arsenal fan I was disappointed to see Pepe in bench but Saka proved it. Functionality matters, not humiliating an opponent.

  • @Terra_66
    @Terra_66 7 дней назад

    The problem is every person has a different test, some people don't know what to look for

  • @sanuzeraffi6164
    @sanuzeraffi6164 24 дня назад +14

    Finally someone says this! But tbh I think this is one of the aspects that has gotten better with time. For example: I think that Ronaldinho is one of the most overrated players of all time. Of course he is one of the best, but I don't think he is in the top 15 players of all time. People like him because of his fancy way of playing, but he was actually never really consistent. Nowadays players like Eden Hazard get stomped into the ground by some for having bad ends to their careers. What I also notice is that so many people have this FIFA idea in their head that if Hazard is a LW in FIFA and Salah is a RW, that they play roughly the same position. Same with calling Ronaldo and Messi "wingers" when they both are so far away from what anyone imagines when hearing the word "winger". This will lead to senseless comparing of stats and the eye test is needed again which just goes to show that in the end everything about football is opinion based, except the actual result.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 22 дня назад +4

      Ahh yes Gaucho is overrated, I swear some of you new age fans are crazy and will be the end of this sport.

    • @sanuzeraffi6164
      @sanuzeraffi6164 22 дня назад

      @@waynewayne8419 Can you please at least try to counter my points instead of just saying empty words?

    • @kabizo1729
      @kabizo1729 14 дней назад +2

      ​@@sanuzeraffi6164 It's hard to imagine that you actually watched Ronaldinho and still came to that conclusion

    • @sanuzeraffi6164
      @sanuzeraffi6164 13 дней назад

      @@kabizo1729 you just perfectly proved the point of the video with your comment. Sure he was one of the best ever, but where is he difference if you beat your defender with a multi-elastico-3037-deluxe or just with a simple body feint? Right there isn't one. Neymar is also very overrated for the same reason. He is never the 3rd best of our generation when there are players like Neuer, Ramos, Suarez and Lewandowski. And btw I don't think that Ronaldinho was bad or anything, I just don't believe he deserves to be in the top 20 or even 10 of footballers of all time. (I think most of those lists online are bullcrap anyways as there are a maximum of 2 defenders in the top 10, no goalkeepers and maybe 1-2 midfielders, when in reality the best defender, midfielder, goalkeeper and attacker should all be on the same level. My top 10 would look something like this:
      1. Messi/Ronaldo
      2. Ronaldo/Messi
      3. Beckenbauer
      4. Zidane (also has the same advantage as Dinho though in terms of "watchability" so maybe a bit unjustified)
      5. Maldini
      6. Pelé
      7. Buffon
      8. Maradona
      9. Platini
      10. Baresi

  • @GJ-dv8uq
    @GJ-dv8uq 20 дней назад +15

    the eye test isnt a myth for people who actually play football. if you’ve played at any decent level, you know which players you’d rather have on your team, or who would be a nightmare to play against, just by watching them. thats regardless of how fancy they are. this is more a discussion of how bad the general public’s ball knowledge is.

    • @Lancelot9587
      @Lancelot9587 18 дней назад

      Agreed. I think he does try and touch on that tho. That the eye test isn’t all bad

  • @Broski-06
    @Broski-06 21 день назад

    Lovely video, changed the way I see football, I humbly thank you for this

  • @cactuscurt1822
    @cactuscurt1822 24 дня назад

    THANK YOUUUUUU THIS VIDEO WAS SO NEEDED FOR THE TWITTER EXPERTS 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Jamesbenn1112
    @Jamesbenn1112 21 день назад +8

    Same thing with Kroos vs modric or iniesta vs Xavi. Both Kroos and Xavi were better than their counterparts. But because iniesta and modric could beat players or do a nice little skill people think they’re better. Kroos has the most key passes per 90 in the ucl and chances created since 2017z
    for example Since Kroos joined Madrid. 2nd most big chances created after benzema. 1st most key passes. 1st most assist. 1st highest passing accuracy and long ball accuracy. 2nd highest Sofascore rating after Ronaldo. But people will say Modric is better than him because of his trivela pass or his silliness. All modric has over Kroos is dribbling Kroos playmaking, goals scorings assisting, tackling, chance creation, stats are better than modric it’s embarrassing

    • @omother6950
      @omother6950 15 дней назад

      U need to take into account the roles of the footballers, Xavi and iniesta didn’t have the same roles, iniesta was usually a little higher and more of a goal threat than Xavi who built up the play with busquets. Same w modric, kroos is usually deeper than him

    • @C.J1106
      @C.J1106 15 дней назад

      Iniesta and modric are better because they could create stuff out of nothing ( xavi could a lot of time) he’s not the same player when playing further up the field example when he was at bayern he wasnt a sure starter

    • @filipe10messiyou
      @filipe10messiyou 12 дней назад +1

      ​@@omother6950Iniesta was my favourite player and he was never a bigger goal threat than Xavi. Simply because he wasn't a good shot taker or closer

    • @omother6950
      @omother6950 12 дней назад +1

      @@filipe10messiyou ? You don’t know what ur talking about, iniesta was a big goal threat, he even scored the winning goal to see urs Spain the World Cup. He had the license to run into the space opened up by false 9 Messi or in spains striker

    • @filipe10messiyou
      @filipe10messiyou 12 дней назад +1

      @@omother6950 I'll repeat: Iniesta was my favourite player of all time. I have watched every single Barcelona game since 2006 and I can tell you without a doubt that Iniesta was never a greater goal threat than Xavi. He never reached 10 goals in a season. Not a single time. And he played a lot closer to the box. Xavi was a better shooter and a better finisher, and wasn't close. He played further from the box, as the link between the first phase of construction and Messi/Iniesta pendulum...and still always scored a little more. Those are facts.

  • @idkcammm306
    @idkcammm306 15 дней назад +4

    Something my coach has told me that if it takes more than one move to beat a player, your doing the wrong move

    • @kdkdkdbdkddn3
      @kdkdkdbdkddn3 8 дней назад

      He tried to sound deep, but was yappin nonsense

    • @kdkdkdbdkddn3
      @kdkdkdbdkddn3 6 дней назад

      @@apextheracer2022 Jackie Chan? 🤣

  • @jackskyy1337
    @jackskyy1337 17 дней назад +2

    Refreshing Video, thanks for your work💪🏼🔥

  • @hazardcfc539
    @hazardcfc539 23 дня назад

    As a lot of other people have said "eye test" is now a catch all. One can see things like defensive actions, positioning, decision making, and clean passing with their EYES if they are looking hard enough, but these things are never what people mean when they say "eye test."

  • @CdeMaDaejsAripi
    @CdeMaDaejsAripi 23 дня назад +11

    The reason why Dembele hasn't added elements to his game is because he simply hasn't played that much football despite being around for 10 years

    • @chingyminecraftgods9424
      @chingyminecraftgods9424 22 дня назад +6

      He’s inconsistent like did you see his performance against Argentina in the Wc final shambolic

    • @RegzalTG
      @RegzalTG 19 дней назад +4

      His decision making/end product is 🐕 💩, it's so frustrating seeing glimpses of genius instead of the full package

    • @CdeMaDaejsAripi
      @CdeMaDaejsAripi 17 дней назад +1

      @@chingyminecraftgods9424 yeah because he's still playing like a teenager

    • @CdeMaDaejsAripi
      @CdeMaDaejsAripi 17 дней назад +3

      @@RegzalTG he's a prodigious teenager in a grown man's body 🤣

    • @_DeadBeat_
      @_DeadBeat_ 13 дней назад +3

      barca almost killed his career just like pedri's, fati, coutinho and soon yamal

  • @Prime1Wunna
    @Prime1Wunna 24 дня назад +21

    1. Eye test does matter
    2. Take on stats can be misleading
    3. Saka is definitely extremely disrespected
    4. All of the best players of all time especially attackers are mostly fancy… we need to stop pretending that greats weren’t entertaining and skillful. Haaland can score 5000 goals, nobody would dare say he’s better than R9.

    • @georgec5212
      @georgec5212 24 дня назад +22

      If bro scored 5000 goals he gets the goat title

    • @Prime1Wunna
      @Prime1Wunna 24 дня назад +2

      @@georgec5212 obviously it’s an exaggeration… you get the point

    • @kali192z
      @kali192z 24 дня назад +7

      why would he not be better though? you literally just ignored what the entire video just said lmfao

    • @Prime1Wunna
      @Prime1Wunna 24 дня назад +8

      @@kali192z if that’s how you look at the sport then, you might as well not watch games wait for the result and goalscorers.
      All the best players of all time have got an eye test bias

    • @kali192z
      @kali192z 24 дня назад +4

      @@Prime1Wunna Haaland has already achieved more at club level than R9 and scores more goals than R9. so what makes R9 better? dribbling 😂

  • @kaivonfintel1627
    @kaivonfintel1627 23 дня назад +1

    Watching the Switzerland England game, Saka was about the only starter that looked like he could do something in the attacking side. Meanwhile I haven’t seen Foden do anything the whole tournament and no one talks about him

  • @ndungukush9523
    @ndungukush9523 16 дней назад

    You gotta love it when the logic makes sense across different sports. Tested, approved and trusted

  • @skittlez2528
    @skittlez2528 25 дней назад +4

    Goat dropped

    • @mandafrombk
      @mandafrombk  25 дней назад

      @@skittlez2528 🫡🫡🫡

  • @jessieruben6291
    @jessieruben6291 24 дня назад +5

    I think you've missed the point, its not about stiffness, Jude 's fundamentals is shit, he has no touch, even with no pressure around him, can't pass and not a good finisher. Saka is better fundamentally, but one dimensional, a good fullback will lock saka out the game, palmer is not one dimensional. Nico Williams has been good throughout the whole tournament, saka scored one goal in the semi, because he had a fullback overlapping which allowed him to cut inside and shoot. We've all watched England and we know they changed their tactics in the semi, hence their fullbacks overlap now. We all know saka was dogshit from the beginning of the tournament. Nico does not need a fullback overlapping he can take on his man and beat his man one on one, dead ball situation. Eye test normally differents one dimensional/lack of fundamental players from those who are not. And that what's separates the mediocre from the greats.

    • @COYG-xj5ok
      @COYG-xj5ok 23 дня назад +1

      How is saka one dimensional and Palmer isnt. Palmer is way too direct all of the times as you saw vs slovakia leading to him fking up 5 counter attacks

    • @jessieruben6291
      @jessieruben6291 23 дня назад

      @@COYG-xj5ok being direct doesn't mean you're on dimensional, as I said saka likes to cut in, because that's what he can do best. That's what makes him one dimensional

    • @yotuel2273
      @yotuel2273 22 дня назад +1

      mate you have to be kidding

  • @Harvey_Mod
    @Harvey_Mod 7 дней назад

    Thanks for this man. I too fell inside this trap with Messi dribbles because he made it look easy but had to realise that it is still dribbling whether or not with step overs or elasticos

  • @user-bn2fq1kw5v
    @user-bn2fq1kw5v День назад

    I agree with everything you say but not the Dembele part, his decision making and passing this season was so good he was one of the wingers with the most assists in Europe, and a starter for France at the euros

  • @ihatesnakeu.7238
    @ihatesnakeu.7238 24 дня назад +3

    Muller is a perfect example of doing what needs to be done perfect sense consistent, no 5 star moves but the game is his.

  • @SBF90210
    @SBF90210 24 дня назад +5

    People think efficiency should outweigh entertainment... my sport is dying a slow death💔

    • @mandafrombk
      @mandafrombk  24 дня назад

      @@SBF90210 not really outweigh, moreso not disregarded. Not every player’s gonna have a show boating play style and at the end of the day, the goal for a lot of these guys is to win. Efficiency matters jus as much as entertainment

    • @SBF90210
      @SBF90210 24 дня назад +3

      @@mandafrombk I'm not saying you have to be a show boat to be good. But i am sayng you have to be entertaining to be great.
      I also ageee that show boats with no end product are useless, but at least a showboats average game will include good technique and surprises(Ben Arfa) whereas a pace and power player's average game is full of bad touches and needless aggression(Doku)
      I'm seeing comments say Dinho and Neymar damaged the sport with compilations but I'd much rather watch rainbow flicks and nutmegs for an hour than Jude box crashing.
      As if neymar and dinho don't have some of the best stats and accolades in history to match their entertainment factor. It shouldn't be either or. It HAS to be both. But if its not... rather entertain a brudda

    • @percaholic6939
      @percaholic6939 24 дня назад

      Just because they're more entertaining doesn't make them a better overall player

    • @heijimikata7181
      @heijimikata7181 24 дня назад

      @@SBF90210 But entertainment could be subjective. Many people dismissed passing as “entertainment” but the unmatched elegance and balance of a player’s posture when hitting a pass (Beckham, Bergkamp, Pirlo, Laudrup, Zidane, Kroos, etc.) is very aesthetically pleasing for me. It’s obvious that not everyone enjoys the same things.
      I love Dinho’s style too, but people forgot there was a time Beckham was the leading midfielder in La Liga in terms of efficiency over a prime Ronaldinho. You don’t need to be able to do 10 elasticos on top of your achievements to be great. Defending is what I would consider an art as well.

    • @SBF90210
      @SBF90210 24 дня назад

      @@heijimikata7181 im not saying entertainment is only attacking but the video is mainly about attackers.
      All aspects of footy can be art to me, even goalkeeping. But if we talk about passing, if you think kroos is a more "entertaining" passer than pogba... then to each is their own. But i think pogba uses more flair because he can, whereas toni just doesnt have it. Both world class in their time, but i know who I'd rather watch

  • @FLASK904
    @FLASK904 День назад

    Your "eye test" has to be informed by stats, and your stats have to informed by the "eye test". Evey major team in Europe is overhauling their scouting network with statistical analysis based approach to find players in a inflated market. That should be enough proof that stats do infact matter a lot.

  • @AyeGameBae
    @AyeGameBae 22 дня назад

    Bro, as soon as this man started talking. I was hooked. I can tell you're an excellent writer, researcher, and extremely intelligent.
    I never even knew the concept of the eye test and I feel like so validated. I don't watch full matches because I get bored.
    The closest I come to watching a full match is a simulated. I play a Shit ton of FIFA and in a way I'm starting to see the translations of players valuable skillset and their attributes. My brother would want to start the best players with the highest stats. But the FIFA games are becoming more realistic that high stats and having a lot of pace doesn't always translate, especially if you're an average player. (Not me tho!)
    You've got to pick the best players that fit your play style.
    I mostly play with Arsenal on Seasons and by god, Havertz and Jesus are the most important players I need in the lineup. They're crucial to link up and hold up play. Havertz is a physical specimen and seems like he plays above his coding and programming. Jesus's doggedness and determination is also perfectly captured. Trossard and Nketiah are super subs who put in a shift.
    Other players Like Odegaard and Saka are impactful ofcourse. But without Jesus and Havertz, I lose more games often. I hope that makes sense.
    Anyway loved the video. And subscribed. This is great stuff!

  • @chuka6625
    @chuka6625 24 дня назад +6

    Your dembele take is super casual. His only weakness is finishing. You need to watch him more.

    • @KidneyJones
      @KidneyJones 24 дня назад +12

      That's also bcos of his shit decision making, that would affect all areas of his game, his finishing/end product, crossing and passing.

  • @dylanjackson29
    @dylanjackson29 24 дня назад +3

    Stats are important but I still find eye test is key. For instance strikers like Lukaku, Kane, hell even Salah have incredible goal scoring rates, yet in knockout games they almost always go missing. For example xavi, iniesta, and busquets never really showed up on the stat sheets yet everyone knows they are some of the best midfielders of all time. You mentioned dembele as an example, although all those missed shots would count as stats themselves. Going off eye test & stats barcola was far more effective for France in the short time he was on the pitch, always trying to make something happen, always getting past his man like Nico Williams for Spain. Again the stats are important, but technique, along with decision making and positioning are most important; especially considering a player is only on the ball for 2 minutes during the whole match, you need an eye test at the very minimum to see those other 88 minutes.

    • @acham182
      @acham182 24 дня назад +2

      This fr, stats will only serve you for a time. The emphasis on stats nowadays is for people who don’t truly understand football

    • @hazarditoo
      @hazarditoo 22 дня назад

      yeah stats can mislead someone, fotmob shows salah dropped an 8.1 against Man Utd earlier this year in the 2-2 draw but that was one of the worst performances i've seen from a winger

    • @LoyalFan9383
      @LoyalFan9383 22 дня назад

      @@hazarditoo how

    • @LoyalFan9383
      @LoyalFan9383 22 дня назад

      @@acham182 how

  • @zeha_8
    @zeha_8 20 дней назад

    great video man, earned my follow for sure👏🏿👏🏿

  • @blyki867
    @blyki867 24 дня назад +2

    Your vids getting better

    • @mandafrombk
      @mandafrombk  24 дня назад

      @@blyki867 Appreciate it man, I been takin more time makin em

  • @momotheone9700
    @momotheone9700 25 дней назад +8

    Thank you for making videos like this one, people are to caught up on aesthetics and beautiful plays, its all bullshit, i dont give a shit, i think cr7 is the grestest winger in general, i don't care how good hazard can dribble or how pretty he looks when he glides, i dont care about salahs left foot, ronaldo doesnt have to be the pretiest, but he by far is the most effective, deadly and outrageous thus the best winger, i hate aesthetics and eye test bullshit, thats why i hate the musiala vs bellingham debate too, just because musiala looks better in a dribble means hes all of a sudden the better overall talent? Bullshit, pardon my language its just so stupid to me

    • @StraighTMurkZ
      @StraighTMurkZ 25 дней назад +6

      Messi is a better winger than Ronaldo tho

    • @WaltuhGaming1
      @WaltuhGaming1 25 дней назад +6

      Musiala way better player than bellingham imo

    • @momotheone9700
      @momotheone9700 25 дней назад +1

      @@StraighTMurkZ messi plays way better from the middle than he does the wing, plus ronaldo does not only play the left, but the right also, even when compared to messi ronaldinho whoever, cr7 is like the best ever winger

    • @JonathanOkwuchi-ib9jy
      @JonathanOkwuchi-ib9jy 25 дней назад +2

      I like the point you tried to make and it would be valid if that was only the case now here's the deal musiala is a better player than Bellingham for me not just because he's a better dribbler but because he impacts and has the same level of impact as Bellingham because he doesn't dribble a couple of guys and passes it sideways he always drives forward and he also has pretty good numbers to back it up like I think for the past few seasons he's had over 22 g/a on average per season which in my book is pretty decent for a CAM
      Now I know and acknowledge that when it comes to versatility Bellingham comes out on top dude has had MOTM performances playing in DM,CM,CAM hell even in CF or SS but if where being objective your not going to see many matches where Bellingham isn't playing as a CAM moving forward for club or country(maybe for country it could differ but definitely not for club) and in that position I would prefer musiala and that is why I think that musiala is a better talent than Bellingham because not only is he a better player ascethetically but he also has the ability to produce the numbers to back it up it's basically the same reason I prefer Messi to Ronaldo because both have great scoring ability both can flip a game on his head but only one when they touch the makes my hair stand on end only one keeps me on the edge of my sit pretty much every time they touch the ball and that's that

    • @davispaul2279
      @davispaul2279 25 дней назад +6

      @@JonathanOkwuchi-ib9jyplease write less next time

  • @erict4807
    @erict4807 24 дня назад +8

    I agree with you. Although I actually do believe Xavi Simons is better than Jude. He’s just a box crasher, even Don Carlo said he doesn’t want to play him as a true midfielder. I honestly believe Arda Guler will take his place at Madrid within 2 years.
    He is the G/A merchant people think Salah and Saka are. As Salah loses his pace he’s evolving into a playmaker, him and Trent spend all game creating chances that donkeys upfront like Nunez just can’t finish. And Saka is fine too. They put in good performances and get G/A because they are good players. But Jude will be horrendous all game then steal a cheap tap-in goal to save face. It sounds disrespectful but he’s like a more athletic and technical Mctominay. Sorry, not a chance in hell I’m taking him over Musiala, Wirtz, Xavi, Pedri, etc

    • @noivern8595
      @noivern8595 24 дня назад +3

      This might start my villain arc

    • @lucqq3792
      @lucqq3792 24 дня назад +2

      DANN. You right

    • @bna919
      @bna919 24 дня назад +6

      Na Jude is definitely better than Xavi Simons but I do admit Jude has been wildly inconsistent all season. I would say Dortmund Jude was better than Xavi Simons and that Jude has the highest ceiling out of the names you mentioned alongside Musiala.

    • @KidneyJones
      @KidneyJones 24 дня назад

      ​@@bna919Define ceiling/potential

    • @jegna4
      @jegna4 24 дня назад

      You completely misunderstood what Ancelotti said also Xavi is not better than Jude and that’s facts stats aside

  • @TheHackersboss
    @TheHackersboss 24 дня назад +2

    Both are important. You need a well informed eye, and good stat interpretation skills to be a good analyst. 99% of people are lacking in both.

  • @johnrockyryan
    @johnrockyryan 14 дней назад

    this guy knows ball and is very underrated should have atleast 100k keep grinding my dude and you'll get it, also thank you so much for defending our starboy Saka he gets so much hate for no fucking reason

  • @iprince7934
    @iprince7934 24 дня назад +15

    The prime Example of this is the Salah vs Hazard debate, Hazard fans love to say hazard is better because his a better overall player which is lie. People think Salahs only thing that makes him good is his goal scoring, but people forget Salah is a play maker and a chance creator as well if youve watched liverpool this season. Salah has taken more of a deep lying play maker, as even the stats show Salah has created the most big chances in europes top 5 leagues, unlucky for Salah he has Nunez and Diaz who cant finish the goal for shit other wise he would have had 25+ assist this season. Lets also not forget Salah is the most consistent player in the world Right now, for the past 7 seasons Salahs lowest goal tally is 27 goals, which is higher than anything Hazard has done. Salah is 100% the better player

    • @acham182
      @acham182 24 дня назад +8

      You took another route to the same destination, still hung up on stats. One player affects all phases of play the other is only associated with the final 20 yards. They’re not similar players as Hazard even drops into CM to start and still finish attacks, he’s not Salah’s profile that hangs around the box to shoot or pass. That’s why Hazard fans and admirers appreciate him more, because to a lot of people total footballer package is more than just goals or assists. By your logic then Frank Lampard is easily better than Xavi, Iniesta and Pirlo

    • @yobask8855
      @yobask8855 23 дня назад

      @@acham182salah is better in a defensive sense and an attacking sense, hes so pacy and energetic. Hazard struggles to keep his belly off the floor. Just please stop the waffle

    • @Nahanoo
      @Nahanoo 23 дня назад +2

      Hazard is the better by far. Only thing Salah has over hazard is GA as a inside forward with 2 of the best playmaking talents the prem has ever seen

    • @acham182
      @acham182 23 дня назад

      @@Nahanoo word fr, it’s pretty clear for me. Elegance > automation

    • @LoyalFan9383
      @LoyalFan9383 22 дня назад

      @@acham182so

  • @davispaul2279
    @davispaul2279 25 дней назад +51

    I’ve never understood the musiala vs Bellingham debate because decision making, passing, finishing, positioning, defending, and goal scoring, Jude is clear

    • @smelly1060
      @smelly1060 24 дня назад +4

      THANK YOU

    • @PacoMemo163
      @PacoMemo163 24 дня назад +2

      Yeah he doesn’t do dribbles just to not do anything with it so he’s not good enough for them

    • @davispaul2279
      @davispaul2279 24 дня назад +2

      @@PacoMemo163 ?

    • @PacoMemo163
      @PacoMemo163 24 дня назад +5

      @@davispaul2279 I’m being sarcastic I’ve heard people genuinely argue since he’s not “ aesthetically pleasing” or a “pure midfielder” he’s not good. To them a pure midfielder is a twink who can dribble in circles.

    • @stellaada6600
      @stellaada6600 24 дня назад +19

      @davispaul2279 bellingham is not a better passer than musiala

  • @Nebel0796
    @Nebel0796 7 дней назад

    Football need more people like you

  • @sidlikeslasaga
    @sidlikeslasaga 22 дня назад

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m amazed at watching skilled dribblers do their thing. But I prefer direct, simple football. Lots of great passing, a team working as a unit, passing the ball into the net from their end. Love it!

  • @chillspot331
    @chillspot331 25 дней назад +4

    To say saka is elite at decision making is hilarious lmao

    • @mandafrombk
      @mandafrombk  25 дней назад +16

      @@chillspot331 are you sayin he’s not? It’s one of his best attributes, what??? He’s one of the most high IQ wingers in the world, it’s one of the main reasons he’s such a huge difference maker for Arsenal and England despite not having the most insane skill/move set

    • @artetaout5864
      @artetaout5864 24 дня назад +3

      @chillspot331 just shut up

    • @chillspot331
      @chillspot331 24 дня назад

      ​@mandafrombk elite decision maker...nah I'd say it's hard to call sny young winger elite at decision making is he very good yes but if your gonna say elite then you mean like a kdb or cesce fabregas at their best and rn I'd say that outside rodri and kroos who is retiring and a select few are elite decision makers...vinicius is a much better player than saka and both are very similar wingers(vini is just a bigger moment player and has the whole aesthetic thing) also to say saka isn't a pretty footballer is interesting as not many players have alot of flair overall as players don't really.get that freedom and saka is an efficient player overall but elite at anything is a strong statement heck alot of great midfielders aren't elite decision makers(wirtz or foden) and wingers(vini and saka) also to say Dembele is only known for speed and flair is really a lie as he was always praised as a good overall playmaker and decision maker(watch his stats and highlights he can beat his man and make the right cross or pass uses both feet and had good assist numbers for a fairly new star to the big leagues check his last year and rennes and first year at dortmund) he had his growth stunted at barca... heck ion even wanna be rambling but heck to continue as someone who doesn't even have an issue with saka he hasn't been great at the tournament he has barely beat his defender in games and while completing dribbles they haven't been very impactful(I'd still argue he's been better than foden and others but still below avg just like the entire England team tbh) while Spain have simply performed better so bike will have a better ranking due to team performance and also also saka isn't even an elite player in football rn he's very close and I think he will mature into one as he shows flashes but to say elite at anything is a stretch he's very good but elite as a decision maker or playmaker is wild.

    • @lsnamber
      @lsnamber 24 дня назад

      @@mandafrombk idk saka never completes that ever wows or suprises me. I think his decision making is above average considering he usually is able to keep possesion but saying its elite is crazy

    • @Mars-kj8le
      @Mars-kj8le 24 дня назад

      ​​@@lsnamber lol. It must be cos his black. Saka football IQ is off the charts.

  • @quantavious__
    @quantavious__ 25 дней назад +32

    that's cool but neymar>ronaldinho

    • @yeatdagoat173
      @yeatdagoat173 25 дней назад +6

      No dummy. Ronaldinho the godfather of dribbling. Literally looks like he dances when he dribbles

    • @quantavious__
      @quantavious__ 25 дней назад +11

      @yeatdagoat173 that's cool too but he got carried when he won the world cup

    • @quantavious__
      @quantavious__ 25 дней назад +7

      @yeatdagoat173 plus ronaldinho himself said neymar's better than him so stop being a nostalgia merchant🤡🤦‍♂️

    • @dovo9995
      @dovo9995 25 дней назад +17

      Neymar is better on the eye test, and stat wise I don’t understand how he isn’t widely recognized as better. Maybe because he played in a poor Brazil side.

    • @bigmoisture69
      @bigmoisture69 25 дней назад

      @@dovo9995yeah played in a poor Brazil side and still ended destroying the record of Pele gaining the most all time goals for Brasil and Messi for ALL time assist provider internationally

  • @kay__907
    @kay__907 13 дней назад +1

    Surface level analysis without a clear undertanding of how dribbles are completed. It also doesn’t take into account how much they progress the ball in the opposing half. This is why stat merchants have ruined the game.

  • @EddieFromTheHeart
    @EddieFromTheHeart 11 дней назад

    Really good video, couldnt agree more with ya! Lotta the twitter people dont watch ball, they just do highlight reels, its infuriating when you try and talk to one of them

  • @sonicwithglasses131
    @sonicwithglasses131 25 дней назад +15

    Saka and jude are still horrible to watch lol

    • @smelly1060
      @smelly1060 24 дня назад +21

      Then don't watch

    • @M0J0-RL236
      @M0J0-RL236 24 дня назад +4

      Nah Saka is incredibly effective and exciting to watch because you know he’ll make the right decision in the end.

    • @sonicwithglasses131
      @sonicwithglasses131 24 дня назад +2

      @@M0J0-RL236 yea hes effective but he aint my type of player

    • @lsnamber
      @lsnamber 24 дня назад

      @@smelly1060 with pleasure lmao. very stinky players

    • @PacoMemo163
      @PacoMemo163 24 дня назад +1

      @@sonicwithglasses131who’s your type of player then

  • @skd6202
    @skd6202 10 дней назад

    The thing about eye test is that it's really subjective. For example I've always rated saka highly. I honestly don't understand how people, in their eye test, can overlook so many things and go for stuff like fanciness and stiffness. Which is why the quality of the eye test depends on the person basically.

  • @rizeyy4618
    @rizeyy4618 24 дня назад

    Stats are a great way to know what to expect and look for in a player.

  • @dominique8655
    @dominique8655 15 дней назад

    i was a winger in college and the only reason i was rooting for england in the final is bc i wanted saka to get the respect he deserves. people are too concerned with social media highlights and what they can share to their stories or retweet. they only care about the play in the moment itself, not in the greater context of the match. and that’s why some people think soccer is boring. i guess it is a harder sport to get in to at the higher levels if you have never played or watched it at the lower ones before. as a spectator you have to understand what’s going on around the player with the ball to get a sense of their decision making abilities (just like any other sport but they don’t wanna talk about that)

  • @RegzalTG
    @RegzalTG 19 дней назад +1

    Dembele could've been the best in the world 😢, but right now his playstyle is basically "dribble skillfully past 9 players and get tackled by the 10th"

  • @user-xb7is5bw4r
    @user-xb7is5bw4r 23 дня назад +1

    the curry and kyrie take was on point

  • @account-yi2cn
    @account-yi2cn 20 дней назад

    The problem with people that say “stats are not everything” is that people only look at surface level stats

  • @mobolajiade-aina8643
    @mobolajiade-aina8643 24 дня назад +1

    The same issue also exists with football tactics, with people despising Mourinho for his defensive 'park the bus' tactics, despite the fact that it got the job done, and won him loads of trophies in his prime. People shit on winning teams like the 2004 Greece team that won the euros, because their football wasn't exciting enough, despite the fact that, realistically, that was the only way a team like Greece could face off against heavyweights like France and Portugal without getting pommeled, and it worked for them.

  • @distantant
    @distantant 7 дней назад

    Also, to these "aesthetic merchants" (because lets be real, you dont care about the eye test, you care about who pleases your eye), how are footballers like Salah not pleasing to watch? One of the most entertaining players in the league. Beatiful passer and his tight dribbling in small spaces is one of the best in the world.

  • @SamRichardson1990
    @SamRichardson1990 9 дней назад +2

    Well The Scouts in Real Madrid or Top Clubs do have Eyes .

  • @PeaceShakila-l8s
    @PeaceShakila-l8s 11 дней назад

    It's simple, saka doesn't play like a left footer. Wingers are not meant just to be about numbers, and most importantly, left footed players are known to be majestic, elegant.

  • @joshuamansaray9219
    @joshuamansaray9219 13 дней назад +1

    Played football as a kid and one of my teammates called me stiff but i was always starting compared to him. I placed as a cm

  • @phil6715
    @phil6715 14 дней назад

    Great video man
    Keep it up

  • @jsimms4292
    @jsimms4292 23 дня назад

    Great video! Subscribing cuz I been wanting to find more black American soccer content creators for a good minute. Good shit!

  • @voidoflife7058
    @voidoflife7058 16 дней назад

    Such a good video man

  • @timianalytics7150
    @timianalytics7150 14 дней назад +2

    Don't use your eye test sh!t on Palmer. For me, that's a clear exaggeration to prove a point😒😒