Most people hesitate to add a job they got fired from on their resume, but I think "got fired from OceanGate for safety concerns" would be a big boon lol
This very young engineer showed extraordinary courage to question the safety & ask for data on the building of titan. That she was subjected to bullying & ridicule when she raised her concerns was a disgrace. I think she is a very brave young woman & has a very bright future.
@@richardwait1206 Miss Wiley was incredibly brave. It makes me sick how Stockton and the other Admin she brought her concerns to completely tried to gaslight her
Unfortunately, it's more likely that she'll never work in the industry again. There are plenty of examples from the post-Challenger and post-Columbia accidents (see also: Boeing) that suggest people who testify in public about these failures (and even when they keep them "in-house") find themselves looking for different careers.
@@nowjustanother that's horrible. It infuriates me that in college we take ethics courses because of these very disasters. And the people heading the catastrophe seem to never be accountable and the engineers are put in the firing line. The evil of learning these ethics and then having some moneybag azzhole not beholden to any of it at the cost of lives, economies, industries, jobs, national defense and national innovation.
@@kaiyote7924 It's seldom just about the money - it's exposing the failure of leaders, organizations, etc. Those are damaging to reputations and blows to ego.
Most of his potential customer base did not go on the Titan because they talked to people from the submersible community who warned them away. Stockton Rush hated the guy from Triton Submarines because the guy wiped out most of Rush's client list.
@@mikemiller659 She bullied and gaslighted a person raising legitimate safety concerns. There was lots on integrity on display, just not from the Director of Admin
@@mikemiller659 No. She continues to side with Rush and continues to blame their victims. She is a fully subscribed fan who demonstrated criminal negligence and directly contributed to deaths.
I've been clicking through videos about this subject for a while now, this is absolutely the best video ive seen so far. You've really cut out all the fat and provided us with the meat of the issue. Thanks for making this
Ikr that’s why you have to do your own research, the fact that nobody with sufficient experience diving that deep, James Cameron etc saying they would’ve never gotten into that thing would’ve been enough warning for most!
Director of Operations & Director of Engineering were both fired for bringing up safety concerns. Human Resources manager quit because of wreckless attitudes towards safety. Oceangate got rid of everyone who said the sub wasn't safe, and even refused to inspect the hull for cracks.
The Director of Engineering did not speak up against Stockton Rush, he was lockstep with Rush. Go back and listen very carefully to his testimony. He was deliberately vague about timing and other things in his testimony, but if you really listen to him he tells the story himself. First, he was hired for a one year contract. He says so himself. Then, he set out to convince Stockton Rush that the two of them could design and build this craft in house. He talked Rush into getting rid of the engineers at the Applied Physics Lab, one after the other. The Titan design did not match any of the designs from APL, Boeing, or NASA, the two of them designed it themselves. Then, when Lochridge delivered his list of issues to Nissen, Nissen took that list to Rush, and Lochridge was gone the next day. The transcript of the meeting, which included Nissen is uploaded to the USCG Titan Hearing page. Read it. Nissen was parroting every single one of Stockton Rush's ideas. He was right there with Rush, railing against Lochridge. The first verson of the Titan was taken to the Bahamas just ONE MONTH prior to the intended first dives to the Titanic, and they already had collected money from the clients who were going to go on that trip. However, the hull cracked during that Bahamas trip. It wasn't up to Nissen at that point to say yes or no. He claims that he said no, but seriously, Stockton Rush KNEW he couldn't take it down at that point. Nissen didn't "push back". The hull was cracked. Cracked. Listen to Nissen's own testimony, he admits this. There was no "saying no" at that point. It was obviously a no go. He was fired because after he talked Rush into doing the engineering in house, and then they created a hull that cracked just one month before going down on it's first paid passenger trip, two members of the board had a meeting with Rush where they told him "it's either you or Nissen". In truth, it was BOTH of them. But this was Rush's company and there was no way that Rush was going to be one who got fired while Nissen stayed. Rush changed the plans for how the second hull would be wound. He added the longitudinal direction for the second hull. Other than that, Rush and Nissen's original plans were still used for the second Titan. They reused all the parts that they had already designed for the first Titan. Even the window was Nissen's design as well, and Rush reused that window along with the thrusters and all the other crap that he and Nissen had designed.
Exactly this. Him and the other 'mission specialist' Rojas, who also defended Rush and the Titan, simply don't want to publicly admit they fell for a conman. Him trying to claim it's like jumping out of an airplane is ridiculous. People skydive and parachute because of the safety regulations in place to ensure they don't splat at the end, thats why skydivers have so many checks in place for their gear, and before they jump, and have backups for any failures. The gear they're using has been built and tested by experts to absolute failure, and the designs have been used and proven safe by millions of users. People aren't jumping out of planes with "experimental" parachutes made of paper. Hagen is confusing adrenaline rushes under safe, regulated and safety tested conditions (such as rollercoasters), with outright danger and death risks. The two are not equatable.
@@tsixclerk Thanks. I have a few pals who skydive (i would NEVER do it myself, too wimpy), and I know for a fact none of them would say yes to trying out a parachute that had the same buiild history and experimental tag as the Titan sub lol.
I think it boils down more to "how it ended" on your CV. Cause you can work for a garbage company and leave for your own integrity and that doesn't make you a worse person.
@@suestreet9934 Amber Bay is either a very stupid person or so blinded by her own narcissism that she thinks can gaslight her way out of it with her amazing bullshitting skills.
Yes, but at least one member of the board asked several of the witnesses about that retired Lt Cmdr. Many of the people who are most "at risk" took their lawyer's advice not to testify. The reason is that at some point when the families file lawsuits, anything said at the Board of Inquiery can be brought up in the lawsuits. That retired Lt Cmdr is also at risk for being recalled to active duty and court martialed. So, he has double the risk of people like Wendy Rush and some of the other management.
@@bees5461 Its about time he was recalled and forced to testify! People including a 19 year old boy died because of his failure in carrying out his Assurance role!
10th dive? I'm surprised it lasted that long. Edit: it did 13 dives successfully and he didn't consider replacing the hull given the loud noises and data?
I think they probably didn't have the money. Stockton Rush was all about wishful thinking instead of reality, and it killed him (sadly, along with four other people, including a young man who had his whole life ahead of him)
"Compliant employees": mediocre executives in positions of power now select for this, it is their prime consideration. And it's why so many industries are now ongoing disasters
My problem with this line of thinking is that first it is a Congress person’s job to listen to their constituents. They are supposed to do that for free. Although the difference between having the staff read your letter and giving you a form reply versus having a sit down meeting with Juan over lunch is the difference between writing a letter and writing a check. Even if we go down this road and say that he was able to co-op a congressman, I’m not sure what that person could really do for them. Individual congress, people outside of chairmanship of committees or leadership positions of their party individually have very little power. And those that you don’t really have a lot of influence over the regulations that apply to his industry. So it’s the kind of arrogant comment I think a man like that would make to try to impress people who maybe don’t know as well as other people would if they heard that and just blow him off to tell him to go right ahead and try it. Which is something I would say. And I could say that confidently because I know that the cost of compliance with the rules is much less expensive and difficult than trying to get around them or by the influence to change those rules. And if he’s too cheap to even comply then he’s never going to spend the money on the much more expensive way either.
I'm surprised it made it through another 3 dives after that probable delamination event with the big, loud bang, and no less surprised that it was allowed to continue diving in that state. I knew Stockton was careless and cavalier, but that is just an unimaginable level of negligence on his and OceanGate's part.
4:44 I’ve been in media since 1999. When an immediate superior 180’s a common sense question, especially a common sense question that speaks directly to safety of operations at a life/death level and said superior flips the script and retorts with barbed “constructive criticism” there is only one thing to do. GET THE HELL OUT OF THAT PROJECT. As quickly and painlessly as possible. And once your mind is made up be not swayed by money, promises of promotion or personal pleadings. Just leave. You’re working in a ticking time bomb. It’ll be far less painful to watch the inevitable outcome from the sidelines.
I think It's possible that Rush handled paying customers' questions/concerns similarly to the way he handled those of the employees, minus the threats and firings: Just poo-poo them and say it's normal, you'll hear popping sounds, loud bangs, nothing to worry about, nothing to see here. One client said that a problem occurred during his dive (not to Titanic), and Rush told him that "something always goes wrong," as if what the client was worried about was inconsequential and didn't matter. Jeff Ostroff, himself an engineer, quoted a saying familiar in engineering, "If you design a bridge that fails, you'd better be under it when it does." Rush was under his bridge, too bad he wasn't alone. Paul Henry "PH" Nargeolet Hamish Harding Shahzada Dawood Suleman Dawood May your memory be blessed.
Poor Suleman! Of the whole crew, he was the only one who had real reservations about going and he was too young and too unwilling to just say to his dad, "Hey, I'll wait up here for you." His life was taken from him before he had a chance to live it fully.
The question is: Was Stockton in denial, or was he suffering from some variant of psychopathy? He must have been aware of the seriousness of that bang previously reported, and the potentially fatal repercussions to the subs structural integrity, but continued to put the lives of other people, and his own, at risk. None of it makes sense. He must have known it was just a matter of time.
He had only 2 options, both horrible. Scrap Titan and face the wrath of investors who had sunk $100m into the business according to his business partner. And face ridicule and humiliation for the rest of his days. Or hope and pretend that somehow the sub stays together knowing the initial investment is down the drain for good. Alternatively hope he gets crushed if it implodes so he is not left to face the consequences. He chose to go down in history even though as a narcissistic murderer.
I agree he was caught in his own trap. I feel that each time the Titan did a dive and didn't fail it reinforced Rush's misguided beliefs that he was right, everything would keep working fine and everyone speaking out against Oceangate & himself were wrong. What I find interesting is his qualifications were closer to space travel. Perhaps he wanted to be like the squillionaires building spaceships but had to limit himself to something similar to a spaceship but smaller and cheaper?
I've been hanging on every word of these hearings. It's like a way more cerebral OJ trial.... extremely serious and heavy...but intensely fascinating. Thank you for your coverage, I appreciate you taking the time to put these together.
You see how bad carbon fibre is even on bikes, it's very light, yes but it's only really strong once, then it's constantly degraded by every shock. I can't imagine how anybody can be so stupid as to go on something with so many red flags.
I don't understand why you brought up bikes. Carbon bikes are amazing, if made correctly. Carbon is stupendous in tension, unfortunately for Stockton Rush, it is not nearly as good in compression which is what it was subjected to on Titan. Plus, if you look into how Titan was made, you'll see that it was made horribly with leftover, expired carbon. It had all kinds of voids in it.
@@DJRonnieG I have been riding the same pair of carbon tubular rims (Zipp 303) for over 20 years and ride 2 to 3 days a week from late spring through early fall.
Great video compilation. As a layman, I frankly didn't know there were certifications available. If I was signing a waiver I wouldn't know that other submersibles are certified.
After watching a few of these videos on the Titan, I believe that it was a miracle that it lasted as long as it did. I am surprised that it did not fall apart on the first or second dive. Maybe this gave Stockton a false sense of security.
That is why oligarchial "governments" are really just corporate autocracy. People are afraid to make waves, and Chernobyl like disasters result. The people don't need autocrats. We need representative government.
@@Mike-Bell Yeah this is the big kicker for me - where did all that cash go. One would think a decent support vehicle for a steel tube design would have easily fit in that budget. ...Expensive tastes maybe?
Considering the amount of corruption in U.S. Jurisdiction, maybe some jail time but not a justifiable amount. Probably more equivalent to a slap on the wrist with a silk glove.
What really gets me is that these "Rule breakers" love to portray themselves as "brave explorers" - implying and often stating that safety regulations are just for wimps - but they don't have the courage to admit to their employees, who have no leverage over the company anyway, that they just don't want to hear bad news about safety concerns. Instead they feel compelled to concoct some bullshit about the employee "not having an explorer mindset" or they pin the blame for failures on an employee, If you have to do this, then you are not a brave pioneer, but little more than a spoilt baby who should not be given anything more dangerous than a junior meccano set. Oh, and he wanted to buy a congressman? How was he going to do that if he couldn't even afford to pay his own staff properly?
@@behindthespotlight7983 Honestly, I guess it’s how they were trying to say they had that adventurous spirit of going west into new new frontier but as a innovative submersible company. Delusional hubris with huge grandiose ego is all I can think of when I hear about or see anything regarding Stockton Rush or OceanGate.
@@behindthespotlight7983 I suspect they’re thinking about the kind of recklessness typical of the high school guys where I grew up, here in Texas. Those aren’t cattlemen, or drovers, just cowboys, cowpunchers, low level hired hands who would take crazy chances. Mostly too young to know better, and some wouldn’t survive to figure it out.
Was such a weird term to use as a postitive too. Idk if it's the same in America, but here in the UK if you use the term "cowboy" in front of a job aka "cowboy builder" you're literally saying they're terrible at what they're doing. You'd expect a "cowboy builder", for instance, to botch the job, use cheap materials, cut corners, and make a terrrible end product that doesn't last. So I guess the irony is they definitely were cowboys by that term, lol. For a staff to say they're cowboys of the industry as a positive thing is hilarious.
@@Spamhard "Cowboy" isn't pejorative here in America meaning it doesn't imply you're terrible at your job. It implies you DO want to get the job done right, but you don't trust your leadership, so you do it your own way.
@@valdivia1234567 Oh that's a really interesting difference, and makes more sense in the way they intended to use it haha. As I said, it's a funny term to pick by UK standards because of the negative connotations. We literally had a TV show here back in the day called Cowboy Builders that exposed really bad business folk.
Not really we already knew the minimum requirements to get down that deep. We have calculations that tell us what's needed to go out deep. Even submersibles that are made to go down to the bottom of the Mariana trench can only do it a couple times before they're retired due to stresses.
it was a deathtrap. there were several ways everyone would have died. it was just a matter of time. 1. the game controller wifi often failed causing dives to be aborted since they couldn't make the control system operate. During a dive such a failure while maneuvering could cause the Titan to crash potentially killing everyone in an instant or cause damage that would kill them before a rescue operation could get them. There was no actual backup control system nor a manual backup control system that was independent. 2. The epoxy was not applied correctly using clean room operations and other professional means. The epoxy was weaking on each dive. This would eventually separate causing the titanium end cap to seperate. 3. The carbon fiber was being damaged on each dive. It was going to crack apart and cause an implosion. 4. The titanium end cap seems to have had damage on the hatch meaning it would eventually separate. They were also using only four bolts on the last dives to hold it to the hull and past times such as the dropping of the end cap caused the bolts to shear off. 5. Towing the TItan behind the ship damaged components causing replacements and then you had parts being installed backwards such as a thruster. This series of issues could have caused problems during a dive that could result in death.
@toomanyaccounts On point 2: “Correct application” of epoxy or not, is irrelevant. Bonding those two materially dissimilar, HIGHLY CRITICAL components together with epoxy, or any adhesive, is sheer stupidity. The fact they were dissimilar should have been a red flag to everyone who became involved in this project, including even the most qualified people testifying at the USCG hearings.
@@mercoid it was a bad idea made even worse. it also shows how incompetent they were at something even kitchen counter installers know do correctly when working with epoxy.
Also to see the overlap size of the titanuim ring that went over the carbon fibre hull.Or call it a ring that fit over the carbon fibre hull size in inches where the titanuim is glued to the hull.
As an academic study in to the insanity of the company it's been a very interesting enquiry but as the top players refuse to give evidence and lawyer up plus the authorities and big organisations who had ties to Ocean gate really don't want to be near this no one is going to be held accountable let alone good to prison
The more I see and read about the OceanGate affair, the more I wonder how that thing was even able to dive at all. Stockton Rush must have known how incredibly dangerous the Titan was, and yet he was willing to put his own life on the line. Was Stockton Rush therefore a bad person? I don't want to judge anyone, but my guess is that he was likely not per se, a bad person. He obviously was someone who was totally caught up in his own story, being far removed from reality, too invested in his belief of success, and too afraid to quit when he should have. To be clear, I'm not trying to excuse the man from what he did. Because of his hubris, Stockton Rush tragically took other people's lives down with his own, and that can never be reconciled.
These wealthy people who bought a ride on this submersible were not stupid. Stockton must have been an extremely good salesman. And an arrogant one for sure.
I take my hat off to those who made their concerns known to management and left OceanGate before the disaster, as well as those who became whistleblowers. Less so to those who hung on and are now claiming some kind of retrospective credibility. There may have been a few honourable stayers though, trying to make a difference ...
I don't really feel any anger towards those that stayed. I've been in plenty of situations where the boss ignored safety or was unfairly accusatory/aggressive with other employees but I have a family to support and generally kept my mouth shut (I did write emails on two occasions explaining any issues I had, I get very angry and shaky in face to face confrontations so do everything I can to avoid them). There is also his supposed credibility, charisma, his personal belief in the Titan and the fact he was proving the naysayers wrong time and time again, until he suddenly wasn't. Bit harder to justify for somebody that is directly responsible for safety (like an engineer) or that is older and more experienced in that specific industry but he was trying to hire young people with limited experience and he was convincing. Also, 99% of the time in most industries, nothing bad ends up happening despite neglecting safety which makes people complacent.
When a company asks their employees to not take a salary, it doesn’t typically end well. I worked for a company asking employees to take time off without pay. OceanGate was heading towards a disaster from all the issues this is bringing up. People lost their lives because of the greed and lack of safety.
Was this sooicide by Stockton? When they're assembling the hull you can see some doubt in his face. And why did PH a seemingly smart and experienced man dive in this thing? Baffling
PH Nargolet is on record when questioned by colleagues in the dive community why he was showing confidence to in jalopy that from the inside he could encourage safety… but also that he was a grieving widower and I guess he thought not the worst fast way to go.
It seemed that PH genuinely didn't care if he died and thought 'I love diving and if I die I die but if something goes wrong I might be their best hope'. I'm certain that with or without his involvement people still would have dove with Rush and eventually this would have occurred. Maybe this dive wouldn't have occurred but eventually people would have gone and it would happen eventually. So I'm not really a fan of people saying PH gave the company legitimacy and so he's partially to blame, I simply don't think it would have prevented this happening at some point.
What does he say at @ 7:23 ? Captions say “Jerry Built Contraption” that few customers signed up for. Did you mean dirigible? Or does Jerry Built mean something else? German Built? lol.
Rush's hubris and arrogance was absolutely infuriating. Its a shame he had to take four others with him. He designed that to happen. Still angers me now.
How much is a congressman? Because if he had the money to buy one, why not invest in more safety in the first place, so you don't need to bribe politicians? I think he didn't have enough money for either, as it seems.
A company ran by a millionair for other millionaire clients skimps on basic safety to cut costs. You can't think this up. Also if even the HR coworkers have doubts about the engineering side of the business it's probably some really bad engineering.
I am quickly coming to the conclusion that quite a few upper level employees are criminally negligent not just the deceased jack**s who owned the company.
Expoxy is not as strong as the carbon fiber and when its applies it is wiped and pushed throigh the fiber thus not reall being a very strong coating. 5 inches thick of epoxy is one thing but 5 inches thick of flexible carbon fiber with thin layers of epoxy is something else.
Why wasnt wendy rush put on stand she was bound to know about the state of this company sackings when any one with more brains than rush told him this would hapen that young lass so brave in speaking out amber may should face charges she had the right mindset and wendy and rush did not like it when thete last dive eas a shambles these people are toxic to work for and the daughyer dalleys on and gets married too bad she had to prospone her wedding they young lad will never get a chance to marry or have kids when her father murdered them all.
Explorer mindset! We've lost all common sense. We don't realize what a true explorer does - but it's not paying tons of money to go see a rich man's tourist attraction.
Yeah, and also those that got on board were just as delusional. They paid the ultimate price. I'm not saying they deserved it but at the end of the day, Anyone could say that this is a bad idea.
This thing was flawed from the get-go. You never use carbon fiber composites in compression. This is basic mechanical engineering. Everyone with a mechanical engineering degree who worked on this thing at all should be banned from engineering for the rest of their lives.
Funny that he claims to have enough money to buy a congressman, but he doesn't have enough to pay his employees. Maybe his plan was to SHOP around for the cheapest congressman he could afford. 😒
That guy at the end is glib to the point of being unconscionably crass. Yes pal, you would have gone down again. And now you would be rotting toothpaste if you had--just as the poor bastards who had no idea about the concussive hull failure you heard are now. Look at that image of the whole submarine crammed into its rear bulkhead. Imagine what that felt like as it happened to them... Thankfully it was probably so fast they didn't feel anything. I hope that is true for the customers at least. It is very easy to make brave, flippant comments when you are still alive and breathing and have more money than you can ever spend. Those other guys? Screw _those_ guys, right Mr. Adventure?
@tomr6955 So common in fact that the plots for each dive not only showed an intense acoustic event on a regular basis but that immediately after each such event the strain characteristics of the entire hull changed.
I strongly disagree with you. He's just talks in a matter of fact way and I have experience with people like this and they're usually fine to deal with. He doesn't mince his words or try to confuse the issue, he just tells you exactly what the situation is. I believe him when he says he would have gone again. The guy I know like this flies aerobatic planes (he's like 70 something but looks 50) and when I went up with him he chuckled because we went over our g-rating and hit our own prop wash causing crazy shaking. He knows the risks and just wants to have fun. FYI it is a distinctly different personality type to the confidence man like Rush trying to convince people of unrealistic facts.
heres the problem, everyone needs to realize that the world is basically being run by a shit ton of stockton rushes. thats why the world is such clown world shit.
I beting that mad it to titanick but that hit the raill frunt left the ship and thay went up to fast panking thay hit it and pop . For kontex the raill is in the sand next to titen was fowend
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Everyone who gor fired from OceanGate for safety concerns can congratulate themselves.
Yup. perfect example of why getting fired is sometimes the greatest thing that can happen to your career (or your life, in this case)
Most people hesitate to add a job they got fired from on their resume, but I think "got fired from OceanGate for safety concerns" would be a big boon lol
This very young engineer showed extraordinary courage to question the safety & ask for data on the building of titan. That she was subjected to bullying & ridicule when she raised her concerns was a disgrace.
I think she is a very brave young woman & has a very bright future.
@@richardwait1206 Miss Wiley was incredibly brave. It makes me sick how Stockton and the other Admin she brought her concerns to completely tried to gaslight her
Yes exactly.
Unfortunately, it's more likely that she'll never work in the industry again. There are plenty of examples from the post-Challenger and post-Columbia accidents (see also: Boeing) that suggest people who testify in public about these failures (and even when they keep them "in-house") find themselves looking for different careers.
@@nowjustanother that's horrible. It infuriates me that in college we take ethics courses because of these very disasters. And the people heading the catastrophe seem to never be accountable and the engineers are put in the firing line. The evil of learning these ethics and then having some moneybag azzhole not beholden to any of it at the cost of lives, economies, industries, jobs, national defense and national innovation.
@@kaiyote7924 It's seldom just about the money - it's exposing the failure of leaders, organizations, etc. Those are damaging to reputations and blows to ego.
Most of his potential customer base did not go on the Titan because they talked to people from the submersible community who warned them away. Stockton Rush hated the guy from Triton Submarines because the guy wiped out most of Rush's client list.
@@toomanyaccounts where did u find that information from?
Those potential customers must be very grateful to him now.
Why the titan seemed like such a safe vessel what could go wrong sounds low risk
Amber Bay Director of Administrations should face jail time for blatantly ignoring the issues brought up.
Agreed. She shares responsibility.
Na..she's just trying to survive in this world. It was the Rush job to make those decisions.
@@mikemiller659 She bullied and gaslighted a person raising legitimate safety concerns. There was lots on integrity on display, just not from the Director of Admin
@@mikemiller659 No. She continues to side with Rush and continues to blame their victims. She is a fully subscribed fan who demonstrated criminal negligence and directly contributed to deaths.
@@mikemiller659 absolutely not
I've been clicking through videos about this subject for a while now, this is absolutely the best video ive seen so far. You've really cut out all the fat and provided us with the meat of the issue. Thanks for making this
My god it gets worse by the day. Astonished. Excellent case study😢
Ikr that’s why you have to do your own research, the fact that nobody with sufficient experience diving that deep, James Cameron etc saying they would’ve never gotten into that thing would’ve been enough warning for most!
Director of Operations & Director of Engineering were both fired for bringing up safety concerns. Human Resources manager quit because of wreckless attitudes towards safety. Oceangate got rid of everyone who said the sub wasn't safe, and even refused to inspect the hull for cracks.
@@metal--babble346 His hubris seemed to veer into narcissist territory. I can't understand how someone could have so little self-preservation.
The Director of Engineering did not speak up against Stockton Rush, he was lockstep with Rush. Go back and listen very carefully to his testimony. He was deliberately vague about timing and other things in his testimony, but if you really listen to him he tells the story himself.
First, he was hired for a one year contract. He says so himself. Then, he set out to convince Stockton Rush that the two of them could design and build this craft in house. He talked Rush into getting rid of the engineers at the Applied Physics Lab, one after the other. The Titan design did not match any of the designs from APL, Boeing, or NASA, the two of them designed it themselves. Then, when Lochridge delivered his list of issues to Nissen, Nissen took that list to Rush, and Lochridge was gone the next day. The transcript of the meeting, which included Nissen is uploaded to the USCG Titan Hearing page. Read it. Nissen was parroting every single one of Stockton Rush's ideas. He was right there with Rush, railing against Lochridge.
The first verson of the Titan was taken to the Bahamas just ONE MONTH prior to the intended first dives to the Titanic, and they already had collected money from the clients who were going to go on that trip. However, the hull cracked during that Bahamas trip. It wasn't up to Nissen at that point to say yes or no. He claims that he said no, but seriously, Stockton Rush KNEW he couldn't take it down at that point. Nissen didn't "push back". The hull was cracked. Cracked. Listen to Nissen's own testimony, he admits this. There was no "saying no" at that point. It was obviously a no go.
He was fired because after he talked Rush into doing the engineering in house, and then they created a hull that cracked just one month before going down on it's first paid passenger trip, two members of the board had a meeting with Rush where they told him "it's either you or Nissen". In truth, it was BOTH of them. But this was Rush's company and there was no way that Rush was going to be one who got fired while Nissen stayed.
Rush changed the plans for how the second hull would be wound. He added the longitudinal direction for the second hull. Other than that, Rush and Nissen's original plans were still used for the second Titan. They reused all the parts that they had already designed for the first Titan. Even the window was Nissen's design as well, and Rush reused that window along with the thrusters and all the other crap that he and Nissen had designed.
When it's cheaper to buy a congressman than it is to meet safety standards.
@@gdwnet I want our congressman to atleast cost millions to be bought... WE AREN'T 3RD WORLD DAMMIT!
Fred Hagen simply can't admit what a fool he was to go in that thing.
Exactly this. Him and the other 'mission specialist' Rojas, who also defended Rush and the Titan, simply don't want to publicly admit they fell for a conman.
Him trying to claim it's like jumping out of an airplane is ridiculous. People skydive and parachute because of the safety regulations in place to ensure they don't splat at the end, thats why skydivers have so many checks in place for their gear, and before they jump, and have backups for any failures. The gear they're using has been built and tested by experts to absolute failure, and the designs have been used and proven safe by millions of users. People aren't jumping out of planes with "experimental" parachutes made of paper. Hagen is confusing adrenaline rushes under safe, regulated and safety tested conditions (such as rollercoasters), with outright danger and death risks. The two are not equatable.
@@Spamhard I was going to bring up the skydiving argument. Glad you did it because I don't think I could have laid it out any better than you did.
@@tsixclerk Thanks. I have a few pals who skydive (i would NEVER do it myself, too wimpy), and I know for a fact none of them would say yes to trying out a parachute that had the same buiild history and experimental tag as the Titan sub lol.
Stockton Rush called himself “a cowboy”. He was all hat, no cattle and a lot of bull.
Buckle bunnies stand mountains above him. What an absolute loser.
OceanGate is something you don't want on your CV...better to say you were hanging out on the beach and smoking weed than working there!
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I think it boils down more to "how it ended" on your CV. Cause you can work for a garbage company and leave for your own integrity and that doesn't make you a worse person.
it can be also a badge of honor also, especially if you left early ..
@@winnieid2727Even getting fired there could be a positive haha
@@tatsumakijim Well said.
Oceangate bought a retired USCG Admiral and made him Director responsible for Assurance. Strange he did not appear at the enquiry
Participation was voluntary, some people (not only him) have therefore not attended :D
Literally no-one with potential line of sight liability (apart from possibly Amber Bay and the other founder) participated. Including OHSS
@@suestreet9934 Amber Bay is either a very stupid person or so blinded by her own narcissism that she thinks can gaslight her way out of it with her amazing bullshitting skills.
Yes, but at least one member of the board asked several of the witnesses about that retired Lt Cmdr. Many of the people who are most "at risk" took their lawyer's advice not to testify. The reason is that at some point when the families file lawsuits, anything said at the Board of Inquiery can be brought up in the lawsuits. That retired Lt Cmdr is also at risk for being recalled to active duty and court martialed. So, he has double the risk of people like Wendy Rush and some of the other management.
@@bees5461 Its about time he was recalled and forced to testify!
People including a 19 year old boy died because of his failure in carrying out his Assurance role!
In respect to Mr. Hagen's comment: Jumping out of an airplane is far far safer than riding on the Titan submersible.
10th dive? I'm surprised it lasted that long.
Edit: it did 13 dives successfully and he didn't consider replacing the hull given the loud noises and data?
I think they probably didn't have the money. Stockton Rush was all about wishful thinking instead of reality, and it killed him (sadly, along with four other people, including a young man who had his whole life ahead of him)
Even james cameron told him it wasn't safe and that he wouldn't notice the first few dives but a few in and it would give.
The hubris of the guy was really unbelievable right?
They did replace the hull.
Replace it with what? Another copy of the same flawed design?
"Compliant employees": mediocre executives in positions of power now select for this, it is their prime consideration. And it's why so many industries are now ongoing disasters
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American here. He ain't lying. A big Mac and large fries will typically get most congressman on board for anything.
My problem with this line of thinking is that first it is a Congress person’s job to listen to their constituents. They are supposed to do that for free.
Although the difference between having the staff read your letter and giving you a form reply versus having a sit down meeting with Juan over lunch is the difference between writing a letter and writing a check.
Even if we go down this road and say that he was able to co-op a congressman, I’m not sure what that person could really do for them. Individual congress, people outside of chairmanship of committees or leadership positions of their party individually have very little power. And those that you don’t really have a lot of influence over the regulations that apply to his industry.
So it’s the kind of arrogant comment I think a man like that would make to try to impress people who maybe don’t know as well as other people would if they heard that and just blow him off to tell him to go right ahead and try it.
Which is something I would say. And I could say that confidently because I know that the cost of compliance with the rules is much less expensive and difficult than trying to get around them or by the influence to change those rules. And if he’s too cheap to even comply then he’s never going to spend the money on the much more expensive way either.
OceanGate was in financial distress. Sounds like Stockton had his own $$ to pay for a congressman.
Yup.
I'm surprised it made it through another 3 dives after that probable delamination event with the big, loud bang, and no less surprised that it was allowed to continue diving in that state. I knew Stockton was careless and cavalier, but that is just an unimaginable level of negligence on his and OceanGate's part.
4:44 I’ve been in media since 1999. When an immediate superior 180’s a common sense question, especially a common sense question that speaks directly to safety of operations at a life/death level and said superior flips the script and retorts with barbed “constructive criticism” there is only one thing to do. GET THE HELL OUT OF THAT PROJECT. As quickly and painlessly as possible. And once your mind is made up be not swayed by money, promises of promotion or personal pleadings. Just leave. You’re working in a ticking time bomb. It’ll be far less painful to watch the inevitable outcome from the sidelines.
Absolutely despicable behavior, wish Rush faced consequences
He did.
@@simonfea2 He didnt, he died smugly thinking he was right
@@GoronCityOfficialBoneyard Can't think of a better punishment
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One thing’s for sure. He won’t be pursuing any more delusional, ego driven dangerous projects.
@@mercoid Thats true lmao
How many people have to tell you the same thing before you get it. All of these people were proven right in the most tragic way.
I make it a personal policy to never eat lunch with my BOSS. He's trying to get you to WORK during your lunch break.
@@SciHeartJourney that's when you take an extended bathroom break on the company dime after. 😆
I think It's possible that Rush handled paying customers' questions/concerns similarly to the way he handled those of the employees, minus the threats and firings: Just poo-poo them and say it's normal, you'll hear popping sounds, loud bangs, nothing to worry about, nothing to see here.
One client said that a problem occurred during his dive (not to Titanic), and Rush told him that "something always goes wrong," as if what the client was worried about was inconsequential and didn't matter.
Jeff Ostroff, himself an engineer, quoted a saying familiar in engineering,
"If you design a bridge that fails, you'd better be under it when it does."
Rush was under his bridge, too bad he wasn't alone.
Paul Henry "PH" Nargeolet
Hamish Harding
Shahzada Dawood
Suleman Dawood
May your memory be blessed.
Poor Suleman! Of the whole crew, he was the only one who had real reservations about going and he was too young and too unwilling to just say to his dad, "Hey, I'll wait up here for you." His life was taken from him before he had a chance to live it fully.
I didn't know they worked on the sub while it was bobbing in the water. Omg this whole sub situation is a mess. Love your videos Mike ❤
OceanGate was not a company, it was a cult.
A dangerous sect.
The question is: Was Stockton in denial, or was he suffering from some variant of psychopathy?
He must have been aware of the seriousness of that bang previously reported, and the potentially fatal repercussions to the subs structural integrity, but continued to put the lives of other people, and his own, at risk. None of it makes sense. He must have known it was just a matter of time.
He had only 2 options, both horrible. Scrap Titan and face the wrath of investors who had sunk $100m into the business according to his business partner. And face ridicule and humiliation for the rest of his days. Or hope and pretend that somehow the sub stays together knowing the initial investment is down the drain for good. Alternatively hope he gets crushed if it implodes so he is not left to face the consequences.
He chose to go down in history even though as a narcissistic murderer.
I agree he was caught in his own trap. I feel that each time the Titan did a dive and didn't fail it reinforced Rush's misguided beliefs that he was right, everything would keep working fine and everyone speaking out against Oceangate & himself were wrong.
What I find interesting is his qualifications were closer to space travel. Perhaps he wanted to be like the squillionaires building spaceships but had to limit himself to something similar to a spaceship but smaller and cheaper?
@@Mike-Bellthat’s definitely something I’ve taken away from this hearing - I truly believe Stockton is a murderer. He KNEW.
@@Mike-Bell I would choose option 1. Better live as a ridiculed failure in debt than commit murder-suicide for pride.
@@katv1195 You are correct based on what I've read.
Thank you. A great review of the seemingly endless drip, drip of news from the enquiry.
Never get into any vehicle that a narcissist had a hand in making.
Chances are youre never entering a single vehicle ever again.
I've been hanging on every word of these hearings. It's like a way more cerebral OJ trial.... extremely serious and heavy...but intensely fascinating. Thank you for your coverage, I appreciate you taking the time to put these together.
You see how bad carbon fibre is even on bikes, it's very light, yes but it's only really strong once, then it's constantly degraded by every shock. I can't imagine how anybody can be so stupid as to go on something with so many red flags.
I don't understand why you brought up bikes. Carbon bikes are amazing, if made correctly. Carbon is stupendous in tension, unfortunately for Stockton Rush, it is not nearly as good in compression which is what it was subjected to on Titan. Plus, if you look into how Titan was made, you'll see that it was made horribly with leftover, expired carbon. It had all kinds of voids in it.
@asquare9316 it is my understanding that carbon rims are best saved for special occasions and not regular use.
@@DJRonnieG I have been riding the same pair of carbon tubular rims (Zipp 303) for over 20 years and ride 2 to 3 days a week from late spring through early fall.
I absolutely love your program Thank You Mike
Great video compilation. As a layman, I frankly didn't know there were certifications available. If I was signing a waiver I wouldn't know that other submersibles are certified.
After watching a few of these videos on the Titan, I believe that it was a miracle that it lasted as long as it did. I am surprised that it did not fall apart on the first or second dive. Maybe this gave Stockton a false sense of security.
That is why oligarchial "governments" are really just corporate autocracy. People are afraid to make waves, and Chernobyl like disasters result. The people don't need autocrats. We need representative government.
This is why Musk is supporting Trump, the reward will be to get the ‘pesky’ FAA and other agencies away from SpaceX limitless‘innovating’.
He didn't have enough money to build a proper submersible, how was he going to bribe/buy a congressman?
The project gobbled up $100m. Nothing about this makes sense.
Probably thought he’d be rolling in money as soon as he started accepting paying customers
Doesn't take much to buy a congressman
Exactly !!
@@Mike-Bell Yeah this is the big kicker for me - where did all that cash go.
One would think a decent support vehicle for a steel tube design would have easily fit in that budget.
...Expensive tastes maybe?
Very good explanation thanks!
I hope all of the Ocean Gate top staff gets jail time. That is what would be happening if this had occurred within U.S. jurisdiction.
And who would they be? Most of them quit.
Really, are you sure about that? A man who staged a coup against the US government is currently running for president.
I said "top staff".
@@deltasyn7434 They probably had no say in anything. That's how it is working under an idiot ceo
Considering the amount of corruption in U.S. Jurisdiction, maybe some jail time but not a justifiable amount. Probably more equivalent to a slap on the wrist with a silk glove.
Thank you
What really gets me is that these "Rule breakers" love to portray themselves as "brave explorers" - implying and often stating that safety regulations are just for wimps - but they don't have the courage to admit to their employees, who have no leverage over the company anyway, that they just don't want to hear bad news about safety concerns. Instead they feel compelled to concoct some bullshit about the employee "not having an explorer mindset" or they pin the blame for failures on an employee, If you have to do this, then you are not a brave pioneer, but little more than a spoilt baby who should not be given anything more dangerous than a junior meccano set.
Oh, and he wanted to buy a congressman? How was he going to do that if he couldn't even afford to pay his own staff properly?
Shocking to see the size of the flanges and the bolts to keep the end caps to the hull.
Great vibe Mike ! Definitely rich man's roulette! Rush should have been clearer about that in his ownmind firstly and acknowledged that to others
Rushes roulette lol.
The posthumous Darwin Award goes to Stockton Rush. Congratulations!
“innovative” and “cowboys” 🤦🏼♂️
How did hard working cattle drovers get morphed into non-thinking tropes?
@@behindthespotlight7983 Honestly, I guess it’s how they were trying to say they had that adventurous spirit of going west into new new frontier but as a innovative submersible company. Delusional hubris with huge grandiose ego is all I can think of when I hear about or see anything regarding Stockton Rush or OceanGate.
@@behindthespotlight7983 I suspect they’re thinking about the kind of recklessness typical of the high school guys where I grew up, here in Texas. Those aren’t cattlemen, or drovers, just cowboys, cowpunchers, low level hired hands who would take crazy chances. Mostly too young to know better, and some wouldn’t survive to figure it out.
Was such a weird term to use as a postitive too. Idk if it's the same in America, but here in the UK if you use the term "cowboy" in front of a job aka "cowboy builder" you're literally saying they're terrible at what they're doing. You'd expect a "cowboy builder", for instance, to botch the job, use cheap materials, cut corners, and make a terrrible end product that doesn't last. So I guess the irony is they definitely were cowboys by that term, lol. For a staff to say they're cowboys of the industry as a positive thing is hilarious.
@@Spamhard "Cowboy" isn't pejorative here in America meaning it doesn't imply you're terrible at your job. It implies you DO want to get the job done right, but you don't trust your leadership, so you do it your own way.
@@valdivia1234567 Oh that's a really interesting difference, and makes more sense in the way they intended to use it haha. As I said, it's a funny term to pick by UK standards because of the negative connotations. We literally had a TV show here back in the day called Cowboy Builders that exposed really bad business folk.
There is something good to takeaway from this.
Titan has set the minimum bar on what is needed to dive to 4,000m.
Not really we already knew the minimum requirements to get down that deep. We have calculations that tell us what's needed to go out deep. Even submersibles that are made to go down to the bottom of the Mariana trench can only do it a couple times before they're retired due to stresses.
I was actually talking to my parents about what we thought caused the implosion of the Titan submersible recently.
it was a deathtrap. there were several ways everyone would have died. it was just a matter of time.
1. the game controller wifi often failed causing dives to be aborted since they couldn't make the control system operate. During a dive such a failure while maneuvering could cause the Titan to crash potentially killing everyone in an instant or cause damage that would kill them before a rescue operation could get them. There was no actual backup control system nor a manual backup control system that was independent.
2. The epoxy was not applied correctly using clean room operations and other professional means. The epoxy was weaking on each dive. This would eventually separate causing the titanium end cap to seperate.
3. The carbon fiber was being damaged on each dive. It was going to crack apart and cause an implosion.
4. The titanium end cap seems to have had damage on the hatch meaning it would eventually separate. They were also using only four bolts on the last dives to hold it to the hull and past times such as the dropping of the end cap caused the bolts to shear off.
5. Towing the TItan behind the ship damaged components causing replacements and then you had parts being installed backwards such as a thruster. This series of issues could have caused problems during a dive that could result in death.
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On point 2:
“Correct application” of epoxy or not, is irrelevant. Bonding those two materially dissimilar, HIGHLY CRITICAL components together with epoxy, or any adhesive, is sheer stupidity. The fact they were dissimilar should have been a red flag to everyone who became involved in this project, including even the most qualified people testifying at the USCG hearings.
@@mercoid it was a bad idea made even worse. it also shows how incompetent they were at something even kitchen counter installers know do correctly when working with epoxy.
Also to see the overlap size of the titanuim ring that went over the carbon fibre hull.Or call it a ring that fit over the carbon fibre hull size in inches where the titanuim is glued to the hull.
This is just still so crazy to me..
As an academic study in to the insanity of the company it's been a very interesting enquiry but as the top players refuse to give evidence and lawyer up plus the authorities and big organisations who had ties to Ocean gate really don't want to be near this no one is going to be held accountable let alone good to prison
Well, he might be able to buy a congressman, but he built a casket for 5.
He did a good job on that !!😮😢
The more I see and read about the OceanGate affair, the more I wonder how that thing was even able to dive at all. Stockton Rush must have known how incredibly dangerous the Titan was, and yet he was willing to put his own life on the line. Was Stockton Rush therefore a bad person? I don't want to judge anyone, but my guess is that he was likely not per se, a bad person. He obviously was someone who was totally caught up in his own story, being far removed from reality, too invested in his belief of success, and too afraid to quit when he should have. To be clear, I'm not trying to excuse the man from what he did. Because of his hubris, Stockton Rush tragically took other people's lives down with his own, and that can never be reconciled.
Well said.
These wealthy people who bought a ride on this submersible were not stupid. Stockton must have been an extremely good salesman. And an arrogant one for sure.
Just because you’re an expert in business doesn’t mean you are an expert in maritime travel.
Your video is not showing up on the subscriptions feed if you're wondering why it's not getting a lot of views.
Are you planning to make more of these type of videos? Like the Miami Bridge. Collapse.
I take my hat off to those who made their concerns known to management and left OceanGate before the disaster, as well as those who became whistleblowers. Less so to those who hung on and are now claiming some kind of retrospective credibility. There may have been a few honourable stayers though, trying to make a difference ...
I don't really feel any anger towards those that stayed.
I've been in plenty of situations where the boss ignored safety or was unfairly accusatory/aggressive with other employees but I have a family to support and generally kept my mouth shut (I did write emails on two occasions explaining any issues I had, I get very angry and shaky in face to face confrontations so do everything I can to avoid them).
There is also his supposed credibility, charisma, his personal belief in the Titan and the fact he was proving the naysayers wrong time and time again, until he suddenly wasn't.
Bit harder to justify for somebody that is directly responsible for safety (like an engineer) or that is older and more experienced in that specific industry but he was trying to hire young people with limited experience and he was convincing.
Also, 99% of the time in most industries, nothing bad ends up happening despite neglecting safety which makes people complacent.
When a company asks their employees to not take a salary, it doesn’t typically end well. I worked for a company asking employees to take time off without pay. OceanGate was heading towards a disaster from all the issues this is bringing up. People lost their lives because of the greed and lack of safety.
Stockton sounds like a real monster.
The arrogance of OceanGate is as deep as the ocean floor...upon which their wreck lies on.
I am hearing one common thing Safety.
Was this sooicide by Stockton? When they're assembling the hull you can see some doubt in his face. And why did PH a seemingly smart and experienced man dive in this thing? Baffling
“sooicide” 😂😂
PH Nargolet is on record when questioned by colleagues in the dive community why he was showing confidence to in jalopy that from the inside he could encourage safety… but also that he was a grieving widower and I guess he thought not the worst fast way to go.
@@Mike-Bell jalopy.. I love it 😄
It seemed that PH genuinely didn't care if he died and thought 'I love diving and if I die I die but if something goes wrong I might be their best hope'.
I'm certain that with or without his involvement people still would have dove with Rush and eventually this would have occurred.
Maybe this dive wouldn't have occurred but eventually people would have gone and it would happen eventually.
So I'm not really a fan of people saying PH gave the company legitimacy and so he's partially to blame, I simply don't think it would have prevented this happening at some point.
Reminds me of the explorers movie with the washing machine or dryer
Every time I see this, what comes to mind is they apparently could not afford a ship that could carry instead tow the Titan and it's platform.
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What does he say at @ 7:23 ? Captions say “Jerry Built Contraption” that few customers signed up for. Did you mean dirigible? Or does Jerry Built mean something else? German Built? lol.
Jerry built = ramshackle, rickety, shoddy, slipshod
8:42 "I would do it again" says the Tough Guy Old Fart. Sure, easy to say...now that it's impossible to do it again.
Playing catch up with payroll waiting to hook unsuspecting billionaires
That video ending with the coke can 😮
Bottom line, this was a commercial enterprise.
We can all learn from what has happened.
Explorer mind set! what there where exploring was the after life.
Rush's hubris and arrogance was absolutely infuriating. Its a shame he had to take four others with him. He designed that to happen. Still angers me now.
"strain gage" not "strange gage" 😂😂😂
😂 strain gauge 🤓
And none of them was able to blow the whistle, I recon.
Some tried to blow the whistle but nothing came of it. It takes a lot to have whistleblowers listened to.
How much is a congressman? Because if he had the money to buy one, why not invest in more safety in the first place, so you don't need to bribe politicians? I think he didn't have enough money for either, as it seems.
Yeah its bizzare. According to an early business partner Guillermo Sohlinen $100m was sunk into the project. Nothing makes sense.
If i were in their shoes i would yap all about that too "yeah i thought it wasn't safe enough" ofc you did.
Is disappointing that he probably could find a member of Congress that could be bought.
Par for the course now days
"Explorer Mindset" for OceanGate = "Suicidal Tendencies"
That last guy! So honest and intelligent but so… dumb.
Money! Talks… Merit Walks..
His wife all the people on the board needs to be arrested . Especially the ex coguard
A company ran by a millionair for other millionaire clients skimps on basic safety to cut costs. You can't think this up.
Also if even the HR coworkers have doubts about the engineering side of the business it's probably some really bad engineering.
I am quickly coming to the conclusion that quite a few upper level employees are criminally negligent not just the deceased jack**s who owned the company.
Expoxy is not as strong as the carbon fiber and when its applies it is wiped and pushed throigh the fiber thus not reall being a very strong coating.
5 inches thick of epoxy is one thing but 5 inches thick of flexible carbon fiber with thin layers of epoxy is something else.
Why wasnt wendy rush put on stand she was bound to know about the state of this company sackings when any one with more brains than rush told him this would hapen that young lass so brave in speaking out amber may should face charges she had the right mindset and wendy and rush did not like it when thete last dive eas a shambles these people are toxic to work for and the daughyer dalleys on and gets married too bad she had to prospone her wedding they young lad will never get a chance to marry or have kids when her father murdered them all.
Explorer mindset! We've lost all common sense. We don't realize what a true explorer does - but it's not paying tons of money to go see a rich man's tourist attraction.
The Requiem of Richard Rush reminds me of the Legend of Larry Leadfoot. 🙄
This was a company complacent with stupidity and no safety
This guy looks like he has a ton of CP on his computer
Be better
Yeah, and also those that got on board were just as delusional. They paid the ultimate price. I'm not saying they deserved it but at the end of the day, Anyone could say that this is a bad idea.
This thing was flawed from the get-go. You never use carbon fiber composites in compression. This is basic mechanical engineering. Everyone with a mechanical engineering degree who worked on this thing at all should be banned from engineering for the rest of their lives.
Do you know Africano?
That is an americano coffee made in South Africa style. What do you jnow it as?
@@Mike-Bell do you know the language Africano can you speak any?
@@AddisonSmith-f7y Yes I am fluent in Afrikaans. It is similar to Flemish spoken in Belgium. Basically a mix of Dutch German and some French.
Buy a congressman lol. I hear the blue ones are cheap
Blue or red there’s plenty on both sides
Funny that he claims to have enough money to buy a congressman, but he doesn't have enough to pay his employees.
Maybe his plan was to SHOP around for the cheapest congressman he could afford. 😒
Please immediately move and replant your monstera plant with some support and better fertilizer.
Just found your assessments 😊
The sickness think anyone doing the job well in oceanGate got fired I hope the company is jailed
Harlan Crowe bought himself a Supreme Court Justice. It could have happened.
Oh... so there is a congress man sale in the US? Sob... And I tought that it only happened in latin america!
That guy at the end is glib to the point of being unconscionably crass.
Yes pal, you would have gone down again. And now you would be rotting toothpaste if you had--just as the poor bastards who had no idea about the concussive hull failure you heard are now. Look at that image of the whole submarine crammed into its rear bulkhead. Imagine what that felt like as it happened to them... Thankfully it was probably so fast they didn't feel anything. I hope that is true for the customers at least.
It is very easy to make brave, flippant comments when you are still alive and breathing and have more money than you can ever spend. Those other guys? Screw _those_ guys, right Mr. Adventure?
"Not Me" Syndrome ie: special kitty delusional disorder.
@tomr6955 So common in fact that the plots for each dive not only showed an intense acoustic event on a regular basis but that immediately after each such event the strain characteristics of the entire hull changed.
I strongly disagree with you.
He's just talks in a matter of fact way and I have experience with people like this and they're usually fine to deal with.
He doesn't mince his words or try to confuse the issue, he just tells you exactly what the situation is.
I believe him when he says he would have gone again.
The guy I know like this flies aerobatic planes (he's like 70 something but looks 50) and when I went up with him he chuckled because we went over our g-rating and hit our own prop wash causing crazy shaking.
He knows the risks and just wants to have fun.
FYI it is a distinctly different personality type to the confidence man like Rush trying to convince people of unrealistic facts.
heres the problem, everyone needs to realize that the world is basically being run by a shit ton of stockton rushes. thats why the world is such clown world shit.
The name is Crush - Stockton Crush. Ha ha
That would be funny if he was by himself but he took four others with him. Have some class.
Put the shoe in the other foot (or in your mouth). If a billionaire heard about you being crushed, do you think he would give a damn?
Yeah, right!
I beting that mad it to titanick but that hit the raill frunt left the ship and thay went up to fast panking thay hit it and pop . For kontex the raill is in the sand next to titen was fowend