Suleiman the Magnificent - Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques - Extra History - Part 6
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2016
- 📜 Suleiman the Magnificent - Part 6 - Extra History
Suleiman had outlived both his friends and his rivals. Charles V had passed, but his throne had passed to a son who proved just as vexing. An ardent Catholic, Philip II set his ships to harass Ottoman fleets in the Mediterranean and emboldened others to dispute Suleiman's mastery of the sea. The Knights of Malta, whom Suleiman had defeated at Rhodes and allowed to leave peacefully, once again gave safe habor to these Christian ships. Suleiman sent a force to take their island, but his commanders argued with each other and Christian Europe united against him in a way that it could not when he'd been a younger man. The Knights Hospitallier withdrew into their forts. His army struggled for three weeks to take just one of them, and although they succeeded, Suleiman's commander died and the Christian reinforcements had time to join the remaining two forts. At last, faced with yet another fleet of reinforcements, Suleiman's commanders decided to withdraw.
Back in his garden, Suleiman knew that this defeat would destroy the invincible image of his empire. He resolved to prove that the Turks were still a force to be feared, and organized a campaign to take Vienna. He would lead them himself. They left in 1566 with great fanfare, but they were immediately greeted by torrential rains that slowed their advance and cost them materiel. Suleiman spent the whole trip confined to a carriage, and when they finally arrived to siege Szeged, he had to retreat a sickbed in his tent. He died while the battle still raged outside, never to know his empire's fate.
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Never thought a history lesson could be such an emotional experience.
Yea 😢
666 likes should I be scared
Someone make this a movie
Agreed, it's like a Shakespearean tragedy.
A movie of this should be made just because of its tragedy
"He wanted to say to him. He hoped he'd be kind to his brothers."
*i'm not okay boys*
Watching the sultans death just reminds me of something my grandfather told me at a young age
"Boy, no matter how great you get every mans story ends the same way cold and alone"
eaglerocks123 my grandfather was a very cynical man because of how many people he outlived much like Suleiman but he meant it more as "live life to the fullest because it will suck when you get old"
I respect your Grandfather's idea, it is indeed true. We all come to this world with nothing and leave with nothing except with the cloth that cover us.
Troper H'ghar What if you die in a fire surrounded by literally anyone you've ever slightly cared about!
@@MrHoeBow So you are either burned alive by your friends, or your friends die with you? Yeahhh... no thanks.
But he was not alone. He was visited in his last days by those he loved best: those he would soon join.
Everyone else is beating down on this portrail of Suleiman, but I think it's actually very good. He was so full of energy in his youth, desiring to be as benevolent as he could, but one bad desision after another broke the man and he was lead to murder all those he held dear. It seems likely that he regretted killing those he did. Overall, this is my favourite Extra History video. Well done, my dear sir.
Your bad decision is misspelling decision..
But he still killed them, we shouldn't forgive someone for doing that act even if they're sorry
@@swedishviking287 Who said anything about forgiving?
Swedish Viking And who are you to judge?
@@swedishviking287 Said by a merciless killer who himself tortured the Europeans in the 9th and 10th centuries
Suleiman: *Starts a new campaign*
The weather: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Fr man had a long standing beef with the goddamn weather
For those of you who are wondering, the battle was mostly a success. After he died, Suleiman's generals kept it quiet, even going so far as to strangle his doctor and sending a courier (who may not have known himself) in secret to deliver the message to his successor. The next day, the Ottomans took the fort, leaving only a few defenders alive. However, reports say that the Hapsburg commander, Count Nicola Zrinski, managed to rig the powder magazines before he was killed and, in so doing, took 3,000 Turks with him after the battle. Afterwards, winter slowed progress to Vienna, by wihich point, the new sultan made a treaty with Europe in an eight-year truce, and peace was mostly sustained for 25 years.
Why did the ottomans strangle so much
@@CalvinKool-Aid cause bloodless death is kind of honor
Also it wansn't Szeged, it was Szigetvár where he died.
@@CalvinKool-Aid blood of a nobleoOttoman can not be shed
The ending is truly a bit of a tearjerker, but Suleiman put himself in that position. He had his most trusted friend friend and advisor killed out of mistrust, his son murdered in front of his own eyes so to quell a potential rebellion. This is, in essence, winning the battle and losing the war. He saw traitors everyhwere and essentially betrayed everyone close to him as a prophilactic measure. Rulers such as him have no real future.
IMO he did the right thing, the 1 big thing that slows down all of the Muslim world today, is the fight for power, which is the reason for the Arab spring, and the reason Muslims can't go further than where they are now .
Most of that is just petty arguments. NATO has killed the head of Al-Qaeda and the second has been killed several times, but only more remain.
You can't bring unity by killing off all the people at the top or close to it.
Tevo77777 are you seriously saying that Al-Qaeda is a Muslim nation XD, I meant legit nations like Syria and Libya, that have been in a lot of deep shit in the past years, because of the fight for power.
First
It's an example.
But a bad one. Killing leaders of Al-Quaida is more like killing a leader of military Order like the Knights Hospitalenser, it does nothing because of their structure of Organisation. A Monarchy like the Empire on the other hands wouldn't accept everyone and wouldn't vote for a leader either, only a small amount of people had a right to power and so all threads can be killed off.
Modern muslims states are different too though. They're nothing like an Ottoman empire and you can't kill off contenders that easily either because its more like a struggle of ideologies then a struggle between indivduals with power. Also the outside world is interfering much more then back then.
"and none of his friends were by his side" yeah, because he murdered them for even seeming like they kinda maybe sorta wanted to be powerful.
Applying modern morals to history is a mistake. Ibrahim totally wanted more power than he was owed, and Suleiman needed to lay down the law. I find his willingness to enforce the law on everyone, including his friends and family, admirable.
Noah Wiener By murdering him in an underhanded way? He didn't even confront him first. Applying modern morals to history is part of what keeps us from going down the same path again.
The fuck?
+Noah Wiener how about Islamic morals than? And on that he's some who killed an innocent man because he listed to his concubine. So damming still.
SaceedAbul Islamic morals, of course, would also require all of his wives to wear Burkas, so he obviously didn't follow them. I maintain that Ibrahim was a threat to the House of Osman, and thus to the stability of the Empire.
>kill your best adviser
>kill your best heir
cant understand why the days arnt like they used to be
just CK2 things
+Enourmousletters And then killing the last not-completely-incompetent one. Leaving your empire and your people in the hands of a drunken buffoon.
+Hlary Pretty much. He brought that on himself.
and then cry why Ottoman Empire fell. those little events has big impacts for later generations...
is that the fear when ruling ?
that happen all over the world , this was nothing new
Suleiman had outlived both friends and rivals. His choices haunted him. He ached for one last victory...
Can you guys do a video on youtube's effect on the gaming industry?
+Devin Tomko ^^
+Devin Tomko *facepalm
+Extra Credits Best story telling series so far done. Keep up the outstanding work.
+Extra Credits That ending was quite beautiful.
Great. Now I'm having feelings about a guy wo's been dead for centuries.
Then you’ll be crying about some Roman emperors if you learn more about em
InfiniteMemeGod what?
@@infinitememegod like?
@@infinitememegod you guys didn't read the death of caliphs ,right ?
@@visiblyconfusedbyyourstupi6758 Justinian
I legit cried at the end of this. Great storytelling.
Likewise. Excellently done.
I teared up a little myself. But what happened to the empire?!
This. I agree completely.
Good lord I thought I was the only one.
I teared up a bit
The people in the comments here who are trying to characterize enormous political figures in terms of being "good guys" or "bad guys" really miss the point. Savage butchers still had regrets and human moments. Well-loved charismatic figures had dark shadows and ugly secrets. That's what it means to engage in politics, full stop. That's what it means to be human. Only by viewing these figures holistically can we truly hope to understand the breadth and meaning of their existences.
+Nori Ringtail Wise words.
+Nori Ringtail Also to understand their decisions.
MArixor100
And you know, it's important we see him as human, too. Not because it absolves him of crimes posthumously, but because thinking of him as some unknowable other convinces us that we couldn't be like him. And the most dangerous attitude toward evil is thinking that you're incapable of it.
Nori Ringtail So you don't believe that a person can lose his right to be a human?
MArixor100
That reason is fairly well known, actually. It has to do with the power that the Jewish banks had before/after WW1. You could find details with a search of your own.
Got defeated by a one province minor. When that happens you know you have been playing for too long.
An OPM With half of Europe as allies and level 10 forts
+Corrupted Archangel He declared war on a Coalition led by an OPM, thinking he could end the war by besiegeing the Island. But the Grand coalition Always stopped and killed his army befor it could finish the siege. :)
In 1.16 if Ottomans DOW an OPM, they get money and armies from half the freaking Europe now.
+AlHoresmi with 1.16 expansion is brutal. got coalitioned by persia a month after it burst from timmy and venice and the mamluks were all like yeah lets join! then Austria was it's usual prick self and allied France and Lithuania while having Hungary in a PU. Poland was my only allie so that expansion was blocked. Muscovy went "i eat all Russian culture" so the Crimea route is blocked
Im not sure if you guys are talking about EU4, Vic 2 or HOI 4
How isn't this a movie it has everything
Anil Nair At least by the sheer amount of movies you make, you guys make at least a couple of good movies a year
there is a serie adaptation of the story and it s amazing! it's called muhteşem yuzil
As said there is a series called muhteşem yüzyıl but it has some inaccuracies and such, plus it's quite long.
Yeah, I would love to see a English speaking film about Sultan Suleiman or Sultan Mehmet, but as long as the Jews run Hollywood and the media i don't think we will ever see a Ottoman empire film.
Righttt!! I’m not Turkish but the Ottoman Empire is fascinating according to History! I would love if they made a movie about it!
This whole series about Suleiman was like one great book, awesome stuff.
look up : Muhteşem Yüzyıl
This framing device and storytelling was really cool and the art and visual gags in this series was even better than it usually is!
I almost always grow attatched to the protagonists in these but I have to say I very much dislike Suleiman by the end, haha.
+JelloApocalypse It's Jello Apocalypse. Glad to see you also enjoy Extra History.
I especially like the art gags. They add a touch of modern humour which contrasts beautifully with an otherwise serious and historical telling.
+Rainbow Dashtruction Yeah, but there are a lot of sources that portray history in an accurate way out there. This is a little different, which make it more enjoyable even for those who are not into history... honestly I think this way of presenting history should be done in grade school, and even later, it makes it more interesting... I wish I had their video about the WWI in high school, they explained it in the best way I ever saw, my score in the final exams would have been higher.
@108895728593942267234 The thing is that unlike other episodes that present events, like WWI or the Battle of Kursk, this is a story about a human. Is not about the Ottoman Empire under Suleiman, is about Suleiman himself, and not about Suleiman the Sultan, but an individual called Suleiman. It creates a nice portrait of Suleiman as what he was in fact: a very competent ruler, and also a human, which like many of his kind made some mistakes that had some repercussions.... Also is not really that unrealistic to imagine Suleiman as an old man, at the end of his life, looking at the horizon, while thinking about the past... because that is what usually humans do when they reach that stage of their life.
Rainbow Dashtruction You seem to be going pretty far in this. You're saying it is fictional? So he did none of the things that happened in this series? That's interesting to know.
***** Dramatizing historical events is fine, so long as you don't have things happen that did not happen. That is the major problem with historical reenactments in popular media. Now, what are the critical elements you are saying did not happen which happen in this series?
This simply can not be true. If the ending of this episode was legit, WHY DIDN'T WALPOLE SHOW UP AS A SPECTRE? Come on!
+SirSaladhead who do you think convinced the ghosts to go "it's ok man" like the dude never done them any wrong?
+Jim Tiberius Ooooh, that makes sense.
Yea ^
It's always Walpole, even if you can't see him.
Because Walpole can not die, so he can not became a spectre.
Not gonna lie, I'm kind of shocked at how the comments judge Suleiman, when from everything I heard throughout the series, he was a tragic figure.
Suleiman earned his comparison to Justinian. They were both brilliant men, and dreamers. The difference seems to me that Justinian was more diligent and responsible, quite comfortable with day-to-day governing; EC even mentioned how finding the right people for important jobs was one of his best abilities. Suleiman on the other hand sounded like he was more than happy to shove day-to-day government on Ibrahim. Thinking further on this... Justinian grew up with loving family throughout his youth, as far as we can tell. He was brilliant and schooled in Constantinople, but also had a background as a farmer; the notion of working hard wouldn't be anything new to him, and he was clever and level-headed. Suleiman's home situation... In the very first episode we learn his dad was kind of a dick and murdered all of his brothers, even that he never truly knew family. Suleiman strikes me as at core, for most of his life, being a child who just desperately wants to be loved. He also seemed, throughout the series, a passionate man. Note, too, that Justinian's deepest personal loss was losing Theodora, but since he was otherwise quite stable, he was able to carry on. Suleiman, coming from a more troubled place, and a more passionate man, lost two sons, was confronted with major issues and conflict inside his own family, and ended up losing Roxellana. None of that will help him keep it together. So, let's go through what it appears happened.
Suleiman came to power, and things were pretty great. He had a surrogate brother in Ibrahim and the love of his life in Roxellana. However, he already had a son, and the law said the Sultan's brothers must die. Mustafa was a genuine threat to the lives of Roxellana's children. Can we blame her for conspiring against Mustafa? Ibrahim, meanwhile, probably figured out Mustafa was the best choice for the Empire, and tried to help him. The Greek slave who had risen to the rank of Grand Vizier, who was probably handling much if not most of everyday government, had probably also grown pretty arrogant. Roxellana now has reasons to want to get rid of Ibrahim as well as Mustafa, poisoning Suleiman against them - all the while just wanting her children to live. Suleiman loved all three of them, not even necessarily one more than another, but his love for Roxellana was the passion that was so important to him. And, as said in the series, he didn't want her 'bereft of her children'. The tragic thing is, if he had somehow known Roxellana would die before him, he may not have done what he did. But how could he know? And then the incident with Ibrahim suggested he be made 'Sultan' happened. And from there on... Each decision necessitated the next.
Ironically, I think they captured the tragedy of Suleiman better in their piece on Simon Bolivar. "You see a man who feels compelled to take every decision, despite knowing each will lead him farther from what he really wants."
And the most tragic thing of all: we can all see the better path, and... it's surprisingly simple. As Sultan, while he was reforming the law, he could've revoked the law calling for the killing of every Sultan's brothers. Then he could've talked everything over. Roxellana's sons could live; Cibahir could've even become a valued advisor to Mustafa. Roxellana wouldn't have anywhere near as strong a reason to want Mustafa (or Ibrahim) dead. With the full backing of 4 sons and Roxellana, Suleiman may not have been so afraid of the power he himself had amassed in Ibrahim's hands. He seemed like a sufficiently gentle soul, too. Now, there were reasons the Ottoman Empire had this system, not the 'normal' European one, but surely Suleiman would've been aware of the European succession rules and he seemed like the kind of guy who'd care for his family more. My best guess is... it was so normal for him that abolishing the Ottomans' unique succession system never crossed his mind.
At the end... my interpretation is that this was his final attempt to soothe his guilt. He was afraid. Afraid to be judged - by God, no doubt, but by history as well. And with what thought does he comfort himself? "No one can ever fault you for things you've done for love." Said by an apparition in the shape of Roxellana. Everything he did, he did out of love for her. Of course, like everything, as it plays out in the real world, it's horribly messy. But... poet that he was, I think the Sultan could appreciate his own tragedy.
Don't get too weepy about him. It *was* an interesting story, and in the context of "I'm the ruler, so my life is more important than yours," yes, he was tragic at the end. But thanks to his choices, hundreds of thousands of people died on both sides. On the scale of justice, he demanded too much death for his own pleasure (mostly of conquest.) For the time, he was a little better than some, and only in some ways.
@@stevejordan7275 Still better than Alexander The Great, who ordered and took part in rapes in Persepolis of little Persian girls.
This reply literally made me cry
@@KC-jw5yz peak whataboutism. Alexander the Great has nothing to do on this topic
@@stevejordan7275 he wasn't as bad as some of the other men of his age
Seeing justinian comforting suleiman. I think something broke inside me. 😭
Yeah that hit different
Yeah same and I am a Greek as proud as I am,I recognize great leaders both friend and enemy Suleiman was one of them Justinian too seeing them together rulling other the same territory having the same problems got me thinking we we so different.But then he killed his best friend a Greek. And I realized we are never gonna be Allie's not friends as nations not because we are different but because ghosts of the past hunt humans till the end of days they will be fair well...
historical accuracy be damned, this is one of the most humanising and emotial balance depictions of a historic character i have ever seen. You really hit it way beyond the park with this one. Keep it up!
Actually, Suleiman died at the siege of Szigetvár, not Szeged. Szeged was captured by the Ottomans in 1543.
And Croatians in Szigetvar led by Nikola Subic Zrinski gave ottomans such heavy losses that they couldnt get to vienna (but they all died)
U boj U boj
Mač ig toka bane
Nek dušman zna kako mremo mi
I always thought Szdgdszdgd was the same place as Szdgszdgvar, except later on they could afford to buy a vowel and made a good choice of getting an A, but not wasting all their money like that upstart Aaaaaaaaaaaachen.
@@anteerceg527 whats your point
@@anteerceg527 One defeat doesn't mean anything to an Empire that lasted for over 600 yrs.
@@anteerceg527 Dont you mean Mikols IV Zrinyi, the Hungarian nobleman ?
This is one of my favourite series, along with Justinian, Catherine the Great, Ned Kelly, and Simon Bolivar. I love the storytelling, the visual gags, and deep sense of the protagonists' hopes and dreams. Can't wait for more :)
I'm not crying you're crying
*cries bucket of tears*
*Dumps tears on you* See, now you're crying to!
This still makes me cry every damn time
It wasnt shown, but there was a reason he was called magnifecent, they skipped it, showing only a bloodthirsty and insane man, if you knew the whole story, you would have a tiny bit more sympathy for him
@@Harunfindik i never said he was fully insane and bloodthirsty, the video showed him like that, i was just pointing that out, not mocking him!
I criwed for last 3 minutes
I've never cried after a movie or anything, but I cried for the ending of this.
if mustafa inherited the ottoman throne..
probably world would look more more different than now
We can only wish
@אהרון אברמובDude. Why?
@אהרון אברמוב למה
There would be no sultanate of women
If there's one method of teaching I really, really like, it's storytelling. Extra Credits nails it.
The writing does a phenomenal job of moderating the pace according to what's being said, as well as setting up context to connect events through. The delivery is well-done, with a clear tone showing that the speaker both highly cares about what he's saying, and believes it important to share with others. His investment makes me feel like I should be invested, too.
Also, the art perfectly rides in a realm between too simple and distracting, staying well in the field of attractive AND expressive.
Thank you, to the writers, artists, speakers, and editors who have to put this all together, for removing some of my preconceived notions about the Middle East, and for teaching me a little more about how the modern world came to be.
This was one very long sad story, I almost cried multiple times throughout the tales of this great mighty character.
Damn you for making me shed a tear for some monarch that died centuries ago. Just the thought of a dying man hallucinating a reconciliation with his long dead son, friends and love makes me wanna curl into a ball and cry.
"What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul?"
What Suleiman really gain at the End? Only Sorrow and Loneliness.
@فهمي كتاني Yeah, but that's him as an historical figure. I was refering as him as individual.
@حج Maybe, but he killed his own brutally. So, how can God allow him in Paradise for those crimes?
@حج no man can earn their way to heaven. \the bible says that all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God only by the blood lamb is a man justified before the eyes of God. the blood of the .the lamb is Jesus and its only by him we can be redeemed and have eternal life
حج
I doubt he got heaven. Murdering his friends and murdering his sons. Such major sins.
@@mobeenkhan824 i doubt your opinion. Islam says if sin is inevitable then you have to choose the smaller one. Which one is worse?
A civil war or execution of a few guys?
This is some Shakespearean level of tragedy. (Which is fitting, since Suleiman's campaigns are clearly the backdrop for Othello.)
Isn't it sad that at the very beginning, he promised to not be the man his father was. That he would be merciful and fair but then turned to his base desires, no?
This is my favorite series out of the extra history yet. "though I love all of them"
Mostly because I'm from Damascus, and one of the most important historical sites in the city is the "tekkiye suleymaniye" "التكية السليمانية" that was built by Suleiman, and though I probably passed by it hundreds of times It never occurred to me to learn about the man who built it, and what an interesting complex man he was.
So thanks guys, and great job.
Did you do it?
Yes.
What did it cost?
Everything.
Years ago, this was my first Extra History I watched.
Years passed, this IS still my favorite.
if i could go back in time and be an aid or something like that to any 1 person from this era it would 100% be Suleiman. All the things he did in his life all the experiences he had, he was a genius and i bet writing a biography about him or just being by his side would be such an amazing experience.
I'm not crying...
*gross sobbing*
+Candle Snax I'm making a lasagne....
+Candle Snax Shhh, is okay.
+Candle Snax [pats shoulder] There, there.
swirekster lol. Yeah, it is a bit odd when you put it that way. But I think the sad part is that, at least the way EC tells it, he regretted killing so many people who he really loved. However, it's too late to do anything about it, and he's left with his regrets.
swirekster I'm not trying to defend his character. He certainly did kill a lot of people for no particularly good reason. It is saddening, however, that as he was slowly dying he kept saying to himself, "What have I done? Why did I kill Ibrahim? Why did I kill Mustafa? Oh, if only they were here now..." I think that made his a sad and lonely death. Then again, this could just be EC using there imaginations to fill in the gaps of historical events. If that's the case, he could very well have been glad about all the murders/assassinations he ordered. But I honestly don't know if EC did that or not. Until then, I'll just have to take there word for it and strive not to follow his footsteps, lest as I lay dying I regret the many horrible things I've done.
Suleiman needs to call the ghost busters
Rest In Peace Suleiman
The end got me all emtional n shit, now i wanna play Civ as Suleiman...
@Legends Icecreamgamer Gathering Storm?
"Outlived his friend"
YEAAAAH BY STRANGLING HIM
he strangled his son.
@@Ahmad_Salameh and also killed his other one
Please do Germany and Otto Von Bismarck
Otto Von Bismarck was a badass.
Otto Von Bismarck was a badass.
Otto Von Bismarck was
Definitely. Otto Von Bismarck was a badass.
Definitely. Otto Von was.
So. Framing device. It's what everyone else is talking about, so I'll join in.
For most of the episodes, it was barely noticeable. Here, it took center stage. It was nice to have Suleiman reflect on his past, but I'm not sure if it was the best fit for a series that focuses on history.
First off, I'd like to congratulate making a change to the typical format. Most channels don't, and I think they suffer for it in the long run. There's no learning without trying, and here, you tried.
The retrospective sections were good, an interesting change of pace. When we understand enough about the great figures in history to make accurate estimates of their motives, there are few better ways to express this than looking at the events through the eyes of someone who was there. But this episode fell a bit more flat. It focused too much on emotions and dreams for an educational series. It would be a perfect way to end a movie about Suleiman, but (unless there's a historical document describing the ravings of a dying sultan) too speculative for a historical series. Worse, it screens out most if not all of the context for the events after Suleiman marches. The march was rough, yes, but what of it? Did this affect Ottoman morale or just material? Did they think Suleiman mad or magnificent? Did the Ottomans win that first battle? How did they fare in the war?
A retrospective framing device of this sort works well, but slipping too far into first-person limited is something which should probably be avoided.
+Timothy McLean I agree entirely. I love this series, I support them on patreon, and I enjoy each extra history. I enjoyed this one very much and I respect the choice that they made to have a reflective perspective but it was a bit too front and center. It just didn't work as well as their other series. I would have like the self-reflection to be at the pilot and finale of the series, and I don't personally feel like this is the finale.
7 years later I'm still rewatching this all :)
This has been my favorite of the many many stories I've watched and listened to from this channel. You've caught me with tears for the first time so far, and I thank you for it. Although it is history, it is profound, emotional, and carries knowledge no other study does: the knowledge of how to be a better person. Thank you again
Goddammit, James, history isn't supposed to make me cry!
Two World Wars
+icedragon769 Ok good.. wasn't just me that was sitting here sobbing at the end and cursing the very names of the +Extra Credits crew for making a grown man sob like he was just told his Mother In Law was coming to visit... forever...
Agreed
+icedragon769 The stuff that made you cry wasn't remotely history though.
1:26 BECAUSE HE KILLED THEM ALL!
Duh
Because he kill them he regretted it that he mean . Kill because of rage wonder why he have to live that sad life
Nathan Remix do you remix your words along with music?
laundered silvrr well nope
I'm...not crying. It's just something got into my eyes...
Honestly, I hae to admit, that if I had ever been in his position, these would've been my actions... It's why I am thankful that I have never been thrust into such a position of power.
I'm blown away by the beauty and grace of how you told this story. This is masterful and I encourage you and your team to please continue in this style!
I kinda feel this needs a follow up series about Mustafa Kemal. The Ottoman Empire's fall and transformation into modern day Turkey, the Young Turk Revolution and the life of the grate Atatürk is sorta essential to really see the arc of the Empire who's golden age died with Suleiman.
My opinion anyway.
Duhad just finished writing my history coursework on him. Amazing man
Duhad forgot the Armenian Genocide
It wasn't during his rule; it was during WW1. And he didn't have anything to do with it; he was opposed to it, in fact.
Duhad kemal was a english agent
Yut Uiy Oh shit iddiot muslims arrived ruuuun !
That was amazing. Such a great telling. It almost brought tears to my eyes to hear Suleiman's story, his regrets. He let power corrupt him and felt the worst punishment of all, guilt
I for one loved the narrative aspect. Top notch storytelling.
I almost cried @7:00
i pretty much did just no tears.
what a lovely story
I can't help but wonder if we're drifting from history to historical fiction. I'm not doubting that the big events you're showing in this series were all real and your details of them are accurate. However, you seem to be putting more and more stress on storytelling: Here is Suleiman the Magnificent, in his old age, trying to maintain his empire while haunted by ghosts from his past.
But, to be fair, this storytelling is superb, touching, and filled with quiet but intense emotion. I can't wait to see the next installment.
there is no such thing as history. only historical interpretation.
The ghosts of his past would have haunted Suleiman, as they do anyone else. He would have had stress and flashbacks because of the many wars he fought, and the fact that his own, conscious actions led to the deaths of all his children other than Selim.
They are just a metaphor. It's not hard to distinguish what is created by the writers as a metaphor for better story-telling, against historical facts.
Rain again?..
Welcome to Europe!
Because he lives in Istanbul. :P
they should be glad they didn't invade britain
It rains like hell in Istanbul too. At least, now. I don't know how the climate was back then though o.o
Welcome to north Africa
Well perhaps he shouldn't have killed all his friends.
according to wikipedia:
Ibrahim eventually fell from grace with the Sultan. During his thirteen years as Grand Vizier, his rapid rise to power and vast accumulation of wealth had made Ibrahim many enemies at the Sultan's court. Reports had reached the Sultan of Ibrahim's impudence during a campaign against the Persian Safavid empire: in particular his adoption of the title serasker sultan (سرعسكر سلطان) was seen as a grave affront to Suleiman.
Suleiman's suspicion of Ibrahim was worsened by a quarrel between the latter and the finance secretary (defterdar) Iskender Çelebi. The dispute ended in the disgrace of Çelebi on charges of intrigue, with Ibrahim convincing Suleiman to sentence the defterdar to death. Before his death however, Çelebi's last words were to accuse Ibrahim of conspiracy against the Sultan. These dying words convinced Suleiman of Ibrahim's disloyalty, and on 15 March 1536 Ibrahim was executed
Ya don't say? *Sarcasm*
Perhaps they shouldn't betray him
@@emperorbartu2414 They didn't. He imagined that they did.
Mufasa wasonly guilty of being popular and his other son was only guilty of hesitanting for a few moments.
Oh wow...im tearing up now.
That ending was amazing
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+Extra Credits is it odd that i felt such sadness at the end? i almost went into tears when the ghost of his friends and family came to comfort him as he slowly loses his life as it seemed. or maybe hes just losing it. Suleiman's story is quite a tale you guys do amazing work. really i watched this 3 times already and cant help but tear up. must be the writing. but just the thought of that happening...scary stuff. such sadness i fell for him.
+Extra Credits Cn't help but wonder if this is the end, and if those "sightings" were officially recorded, or something...
+sam Mangano Yeah me to I almost cried.He felt guilty for killing Mustafa and Ibrahim such flaws decisions he made.
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Ummmmm………what does it look like?
As perfect an ending this episode is, I really hope you cover the aftermath (particularly the reaction of his Vizier and inner circle)
This whole series just felt so wholesome, the ending was so great. I loved this series.
mann!!you made me cry with that end...i am a turkish and have been reading about history but this videos were still felt unique...i could felt the greef deeply and laughed loudly many times...it is good to see that foreign people have an interest about ottoman history.. :) keep doing such videos
I'm still not sure about the framing device of this one. For one thing, it didn't really add much to the narrative flow. For another, I felt the inner-monologue stuff was trying a bit too hard to coax feelings out rather than letting the events speak for themselves (granted, there's no shortage of flavor in the earlier series, but those at least presented things that we actually had some way of knowing about. I mean, is there any historical evidence as to what Suleiman was actually thinking about on his deathbed?). Thirdly, I was kinda hoping to see how the battle turned out without him, and the limited perspective prevented that (unless there's going to be a seventh episode?).
Still, though, it's a fascinating story that deserves to be told, and it's certainly better than nothing, which sadly seems to be the only other option for many of the topics you cover here.
I disagree. I absolutely love the format this was presented in.
even though you I REALLY liked the series, I did feel like you glossed over too much information. especially with roxolana she played a lot bigger role in Suleimans life than you say in this series. It also seems like the ottomanmempire has suffered more under Suleimans rule than it has gained, but the ottoman empire was in its prime time during Suleimans rule and also held up quite good afterwards.
+Rachid Barendregt
The goal of this series is to make one interested in history, so much so that people do their own research.
+Yang Wright that is definitly true but the detail in this series is lacking compared to the others like justinian and admiral yi
+Rachid Barendregt : The prime of an empire is something hard to describe, especially without describing the bad events. Even during the best of the pax romana, there were still disasters, lost battles and everything. You can't really focus on the prosperity without being repetitive.
he was so focused on fighting monsters he failed to see himself become one
"You either die a hero, or survive long enough to see yourself become a villain."
You did an amazing job with the ending. There were tears in my eyes at the end. Well done. :D
Amazing video. Your best Extra History yet. Color this historian not just impressed, but actually moved by your presentation.
Loved this series, extremely poetic and truly drawing out the lessons to be learnt from History ❤ thanks for this amazing series
The whole Suleiman series is fantastically delivered in a touching way
That last lines were so beautiful!!!! "No one could fault you about things you've been made for love".
Outstanding job, thank u
5:00 Can you remember that time in which Vienna was in Silesia? Me neither...
Argacyan Whoops, my Vienna slipped several miles North!
The maps they draw are quite abstract, but that is most definitely *way* too north to be Vienna. Looks like it's in Sorbia or maybe northern Bohemia, Silesia is a bit more east than that. Liked the joke tho. :)
age of empires 3 anyone?
+11Enix Age of Empire lll for the win!
+11Enix wolololo
+11Enix yeah! morgan black and sahin the hawk
+11Enix MOVE THE CROSSBOWS TO THE FORWARD WALLS TO ATTACK THE JANISSARIES, DEFEND THE FORT AT ALL COSTS!
+Kiwa Nozukai the memories
wow this was emotional, I almost teared up a little. r.i.p suleiman the magnificent
You can’t just create a modern secular republic out of the remains of a fallen Islamic empire!
Ataturk - Hold my beer.
it's truly magnificent he was able to build anything out of this barbaric empire.
@@tylerferguson3707 barbaric ? no. but if you say all empires are barbaric then sure.
@@tylerferguson3707 Idk, but europeans of that era was far messed up than this 'barbaric' empire.
@@tylerferguson3707 wtf barbar europe internationalist europe
*Hold my rakı.
This seriers.
All of Extra Credits History is always amazingly well done, and never boring or doll for a moment.
Thanks for this series :)
This is a very good style of narrating having them call on memories I wish you did this more
I started this series about Suleiman and went "ehm, do I care?" And now I'm sitting here with my cup of tea fucking absorbed! I want a movie about this man, give me titles of books, everything! This is why I love Extra Credits! :) Thank you!
Probably my favorite extra credits History yet, bravo!
"No one can blame you for what you've done for love"
I think I gonna get a tshirt of that.
Probably one of my favorite rulers of all time. I always liked Suleiman. He was the Islamic Justinian, brave, strong and fierce. He was truly magnificent.
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He was a paranoid fanatic that murdered his children and best friend
Thanks, Extra History, now you got me crying. Amazing ending to a great series. Can't wait to see more!
Thank you for this historical drama / lesson. With some inaccuracies it is accurate on core. And gave me tears as it ends.
This literally brought tears to my eyes
*"ETERNAL ENEMY OF ALL BUT THE CATHOLIC FAITH"*
That's tough!!!
never had i thought i could cry for an ottoman
and yet, Extra History has managed to make me
i can wholeheartedly confirm they are good
It doesn't matter how many times I watch this I always cry so hard it hurts and I don't know why
Quite liked the style this series had, felt very touching and for me that's a good thing.
Overly generous to his character given that he'd murdered everyone around him.
+Binidj You know... Not trying to legitimize murders he ordered... such was the Time back then.
Seriously. Think about it.
Many rulers ordered same of even greater amount of murder and assasination. But few could present comparable achievents.
Павел Жданов
Really? I'm not aware of many rulers deliberately killing their heirs. There's precedent for killing your best friend (even though that's still a dick move) but heirs is a new one on me.
Binidj You know... probably the main reason you never heard of them, is because they achieved nothing...
And yeah. Deliberately killing off heirs is not that wide spread, but having multiple heirs kill each other is quite normal. Actually if you look carefully, all the middle-ages wars were not so much territory disputes, but a succession disputes. the "100 year war" for instance.
+Binidj
It's the combination of two competing ideas.
The first is that a leader must have a single heir to his throne, anything else would either leave their lands divided or cause a civil war.
The second is that Muhammed outright prohibited men from leaving everything to a single heir. This was largely because Mecca and the surrounding areas were ruled by a lot of Old Money merchant families that had gotten to where they were by leaving everything to the eldest son.
Compare this to say, Henry VIII, who murdered however many wives after they didn't give him sons, and you realize that Suleiman was a far less violent and horrifying man than his contemporaries.
It's one of the disadvantages of Open Succession. Every heir gets an equal shot at the title, and then they kill each other until one remains and that becomes the true heir.
Of course because each heir has their various supporters and intergovernment factions, the succession crisis typically rips apart the realm if you don't cull them down.
The larger the empire the messier it gets, so in this regard the logic is fairly sound.
unfortunately, during this period Islam was pretty rigid on how it's succession laws worked, so they couldn't do something simply like leaving it to the eldest boy like a lot of European nations transitioned into.
Oh, man! You're making me cry with this!
This serie on Suleiman has to be the most emotional you've ever made guys, it's brilliant !
Wow dude that got emotional I wasn’t expecting that. Your writing keeps impressing me 💯
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A dramatic and sympathetic portrayal of a great but complex man might not be the most appealing to a lot of history lovers, but as an invitation to new people to the study of history, it is probably one of Extra History's best gifts to RUclips. Seven years on, and I still go back to this, and remember how I had accepted its invitation to studying history.
Enjoyed this series as usual. You guys are GREAT storytellers/Historians. I've learned a lot and wish I had this in high school over 30 years ago!
I really gotta say I like the perspective and narrative style of this series the most, and that music, it is just perfect as well. Makes me proud to support the show
As much as I like the concept and think that it is appropriate for this particular series (what with the whole "Justinian - Suleiman" contrast), I have to agree, this framing device did not click well with me. I like the older style of explaining the actions more like a GM describes his campaign, or a narrator informs the audience of the stage.
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As a lot of people already noted, this series really lost that delicate drama vs. facts balance Extra History struck in the beginning. Suleiman and the Ottoman Empire are enormously interesting and complex topics. You can make an entire episode where you'd just describe the Janissaries and how different they were from any other army of that time. But apart from being light on facts and heavy on drama, the problem is that it is bad, emotionally-manipulating drama. In too many instances, the EH crew focuses on a specific emotional state - anger, sadness, fatigue - and make that a focal point of Suleiman's actions. They make his actions seem like the whims of an emotionally unstable sociopath, more Caligula than Justinian. By contrast, in previous episodes, Nobunaga's wrath or Justinian's grief were used more to give color to events, rather than make it their root cause. I shudder to think what would happen if they had applied this method of story-telling to the South Sea Bubble - I fear there would be a lot more first-person accounts of Blunt feeling aroused or giddy by the financial dealings he engaged in. Finally, by focusing on one man's feelings, you lose valuable time where you can explore other actors or setpieces. I don't know if the problem was the sources used, new researchers, their new two-series-a-week schedule or what, but this was a noticeable drop in overall quality.
Please redress this before you tackle other amazing figures from history. I love you guys and I love the show. Please don't drift away from the winning formula you had.
Good point:
It's been three years, they've covered those episodes you were concerned about
What's your opinion on them
Goyon Man
Though I'm not the op, I myself haven't seen episodes driven too much by emotion. Only this and WW1 have been like that I'd say. Of course, I haven't watched everything.
I love this series, the gags and the well written and beautiful story lines. (I might have cried at the end of this video)
Suleiman is so much more inferior compared to Justinian. Justinian brought his empire from ashes to glory, while Suleiman inherited magnificence only to burn it with his ego.
The series glossed over soo many things that he had done . He expanded the empire to the limits and made social reforms . He was known as the law giver because of this. He improved the empires economy and trade . Justinian was much more flashier . He accomplished much harder tasks but it tore the empire apart.
+HAVYN88 Let's say the higher point of "magnificence" of the empire has been crossed during his life, and not before. It's by his actions that he really led it to the golden age with culture, social reforms, conquest... But he always wanted more and came to his limits, and so during the last years of his reign the long decline had slowly began. He has huge merits still
+HAVYN88 Exstra History actually said that Justinian took a country that was still strong while other Byzantine leaders actually managed to keep it out of exstinction
Halil Bisiren Still doesn't deny the fact that he killed of his loyal advisor, AND assassinated his son. The ottoman's power were in their cannons and their superior military force, which led them to be able to expand and advance economically. Justinian had a broken Rome, Suleiman had the entire Ottoman Empire. I'm not saying that Suleiman is not a great man, i'm just saying he's not as great as Justinian.
HAVYN88 He conquered Iran (Justinian most hated enemy), Hungary, parts of Austria and dominated the Mediterranean Sea! I think he did ok! He would have made Justinian Proud!
A bit disappointed how much the battle over Malta and the second campaign in Hungary were condensed just to make room for Suleiman having old people aches and ghosts from his past randomly showing up to vindicate him of all his crimes. The drama is great and all, but it's still Extra History in the end. The ghosts in particular really go against an objective study in favor of a "Oh man poor lonely Suleiman who was definitely a good person in the end" kind of message.
Compared to some of your other videos, I don't think this would be a very great study tool if someone was just looking for info on the final years of Suleiman's reign. There's a difference between the small but relatable personalization we had before with Yi's drums or Gavrilo Princip's sandwich and dedicating a full 50% of the episode to random stuff that looks great but has minimal substance. Just my two cents though.
+Wolf6119 I too would have preferred a bigger focus on history than his feelings. Were his last thoughts recorded? If he said those things when he was dying in that tent, it would make more sense then.
+Wolf6119
Indeed. I was really looking forward to the military campaigns in Malta and Hungary as they both really were a place of amazing feats by those who defied him. Hell, even this last siege, the siege of Szigetvar, got barely any attention at all, yet it was incredibly inspiring and just downright epic if you look into it. I don't know if it will be covered in any further episodes, but holy shit, I was really looking forward to sieges such as this, the siege of Günz, various sieges in Malta, and many other.
+Wolf6119 I'm really looking forward to the Lies episode to see what their rational was in presenting it this way. It was interesting in the first episode, "Oh, we're actually doing this?" by the second, and now with the ghosts it seems kind of excessive. A worthwhile experiment in story structure and history but from the results and judging from audience reaction it seems they were somewhat off the mark.
He didn't even mention the siege of szigetvár and the heroism and bravery of those few Hungarians Croats and Serbs
For the sake of the Joy of it, I Can wait for the next episode. It will be delightful for me, coming home, my body tired, near exhaustion, but not broken, to hear and see the "lies" you told us during this little season :-)
Thanks for all your hard work :-)
I cried to this piece of history. Something I could not think of before. Thanks, EH
As a turkish guy I really enjoyed the series, seeing our own history from someone elses perspective. Job well done!!!
I want to ask some questions. Did suleiman really orderd to give mustafa a princely funeral