Super Mario Bros. Sold for $660,000?!
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- A SEALED Super Mario Bros. NES game recently was auctioned for over $600,000 - we discuss this and other crazy game auction prices!
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What do you think about the latest auction prices? Are you shocked but not surprised, or just shocked?
You can read the NYT writeup here: www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/business/super-mario-bros-nintendo-auction.html
I love Karnov Pat! I grew up owning it as a kid... hadn't played it in 20 + Years... I picked it up last year and absolutely destroyed the game! 😆
These prices don't surprise me nor shock me. They're trying to drum up the prices and they're succeeding.
What's surprising me is the lack of sellers. I think you two have talked about a guy with cartons of sealed games before. I'm surprised people like that haven't been capitalizing on this trend while the prices are high. It can't last forever.
Pat I'm waiting for the video where there are no games or nintendo items in the background, and you are wearing lots of bling. hahaha.
Its stupid. This isn't even a rare game. You're paying hundreds of thousands for a nice box. And its probably not even that rare to find a sealed one. This bullshit isn't even about a good rare game like say Dragon Force or Shinning Force 3 (sorry I'm a Sega fan😂). Its stupid speculation.
SMB is a good game printed in millions upon millions you can still buy at garage sales for 5 bucks. But with this sealed crap you don't even know if the game inside works. Arguably the most important part of owning a GAME! These aren't games anymore, they've been turned into memorabilia cause being wraped in the original 1 cent cellophane is somehow worth hundreds of thousands now so they can create a new worthless comic book and trading card market.
Yeah, I just found one. its not a sticker seal and the top right has a little part of the wrapping off it. id take 100,000 lol
Joke's on them. I got mine for $3, and it came with Duck Hunt.
@@atranfanatic good deal!!!
MY COPY WITH THE CORNER CHEWED OFF MUST BE WORTH THAT MUCH
If I had $660,000 I sure as heck wouldn't spend it on a video game, no matter how rare.
Yeah you could buy a car for that
They probably see it as an investment and are hoping it will go up in price over the next 10 - 30 years. It's a gamble but if they have that kinda money to blow on a NES game, I doubt it will make a dent in their wallet.
@@ninjamaster3453 you could buy 23 nice cars. However cars usually go down in price overtime, this will likely go up over time.
@@ninjamaster3453 or 60 cars
I would spend it on making a home arcade.
Damn these collectionist
They are completely destroying the hobby....
@@fordxbgtfalcon It's how the hobby should be.
Whoa, nice deep cut.
“Alright, eeean” “BIG BIG” ******seaaaallllled. I need this soundboard
Seeeeaaaaaalllllllleeeeeeedddddd
You forgot *LIMITED*.
Also..."Update!"
Been waiting for this conversation ever since I heard the news. You guys seem to be two of few who see what's happening.
Im really into comics and geek stuff; back about 4-5 years ago, a guy I work with knows that and came up to me; hes like "guess what, i invested."
Im like, "yeah?". "Yup, I bought Walking Dead 1-10; #1 and a few others are sealed and graded". I was a little baffled, "you just bought them now?". "Yeah its an investment."
I forget how much issue 1 listed for at the time, I think like $800-$1000. But Im like "dude what did you pay?". "About $750". I was like, as a collector thats okay if you love it. But for an investment that was dumb. Its at its peak popularity now. (5 years ago). And I dont think besides #1 and others besides maybe #100 where Negan appears and Glenn dies, none of them will be worth anything (Ive seen sealed copies of #100 that are signed go for $100).
I was like, "they may go up to $1000 for you someday, so you make $250? But then have to worry about theft, damage, fire, flood... Not a good investment dude. You'll probably get $500 in the end..."
Its all about getting in early. If you dont have these games or comics already, dont buy them now! If you buy a #1 issue at a comic store and got it for $4, yeah cool, if it stays worthless you lost nothing (got to read a comic). If it jumps in value you have an investment. Same with any commodity - if you dont have Bitcoin already, dont buy into it now. Don't buy an existing NFT off someone that they already bought. Dont bu ya painting for millions of dollars. If its even real, you probably wont get more for it.
Its all pyramid schemes. Its not worth much, but if you convince people its worth a lot and then can sell it, you make your money. But like musical chairs, someone has to be the dickhead left standing with no chair at the end. And you'll be out a lot of money.... Coins at least can be made of valuable metals... But even that market kind of a scam (like diamonds, they aren't really worth shit! Go buy a diamond for a lot, turn around and try to sell it back, not happening ha-ha). You foot the bill for everyone else who passed it off. At least only buy something you can afford, and that if you get stuck with it you still like it. Everything comes to an end, coins, stamps, model trains, player piano rolls, baseball cards... Don't be the guy at the end of the chain... So 100%, kudos to the guy who sold the comics to my buddy, YOU were the one who made out well, my buds going to be left holding the bag.
@@squidracerX I agree except for the topic of a one of a kind painting. Like if someone said they bought the mona lisa for a billion dollars, I wouldn't really have a critique. It's famous and one of a kind. You could argue it's priceless. On the other hand, as you said, there would be stress involved in owning something like that. But I wouldn't call it a bad investment for any price. You do have a point about the value potentially being stagnant. So it's a bad money making investment, but it will likely hold its value better than cash will. So while you might not make money, it's like buying property. It has relatively stable value.
But one of a kind, physical art is a different category. Even something like a video game box isn't necessarily bad to buy. But only if it's because you want it because you want it. Buying expensive things in the hopes of them appreciating in value is always a big risk.
But take Pat for example. He bought both NWC carts. Not because he wanted to make money. However, if that was his plan, it would have paid off. The value has multiplied 5 times since he bought them. But they're very rare and very desirable. So if someone bought an nwc now to make money, it's still kind of stupid, but it wouldn't be the dumbest idea. Certainly there are better, safer investments. But it's likely the prices will continue to climb for the foreseeable future.
The digital goods are where it gets weird to me. It's a thing that anyone can "experience". If you have a phone or computer, you can see the same thing as what someone else bought. Again, a real painting is different than a picture of a painting. Understandably, the difference doesn't matter to everyone.
I feel like I'm rambling a bit. I definitely agree that buying something expensive to make money doesn't make sense. It might hold its value though. If currency inflates, at least the physical item inflates with it. But generated, digital goods make no sense to invest in.
@Matthew Meditz I don't know if you saw the latest video, but it might not have even sold for that price. It could have essentially been a fake bid and then sold to the next highest bidder. I think that's actually much more likely. All about inflating those prices.
@Matthew Meditz Right. But heritage auctions doesn't have to say if the person doesn't pay for it. They can go down the list of bidders until someone says they want it. They never would update the sold price so that it appears that's the price. As far as I know, the buyer never came forward saying that he or she bought it. So there's no way to say for sure if that price was paid.
If a sealed SMB goes for more than half a mil then the gold NWC cart could probably get you a private island on the moon.
That's not well know compared to super Mario. Not living in America the rest of the world doesn't care
@@waynecampbell3431 that's what's so tragic about it. NWC is much more deserving of that recognition than one of the highest selling games of all time that just happens to have shrink wrap on it imo
Cultural Significance...one has it, the other not so much
@@jimmyjay689 I'd argue that both were hugely culturally significant. One of the rarest and most saught after cartridges that signifies one of the first mainstream video game competitions, vs. the game that popularized a genre and a franchise and moved games into households everywhere
imagine a sealed NWC! WW3 would happen over this!
been waiting for your guys take on this story since I first heard it. These topics are where you guys shine, fantastic insight.
When something doesn't make sense step back and ask yourself who stands to benefit.
This is a fascinating analysis of what's going on. I'd heard this news on other podcasts but no one has dug into it like this. Some thought provoking points
Imagine the collusion and falsehoods that go into real news if this story about your hobby is completely filled with BS.
I got into an absurd argument this week with someone who insists Pat doesn’t practice what he preaches about overpriced games. I finally had to say “Look dude I’m not here to simp for Pat. I said I like him and his channel. I don’t know what he sells his games for and I DON’T CARE.” Some people have a weird hard on for trying to get people to hate Pat.
I dunno what ppls problem is w Pat. He has always told it like it is and seems very genuine. What is there to hate?
Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealllllllllllllllled!!!
Looks like someone will walk into Pawn Stars soon with a 9.4 and ask for a cool million...🧐🗿
They already have
@@vanmennace
It's a fabricated show, they'll do it again. 👾
@@WaysideWade I misunderstood your response. Thought you suggested for the first time. Agree with u though.
@@vanmennace
No big deal. Great to have a civil conversation regardless. 🙋🍻
I could have been more specific too. 🗡️🛡️
Ummmmmm......Just let me get a guy I know who knows about retro video games.......
Pat get your sealed games valued packaged and sell out now or soon. You could be set for life. I know I would. Afterall I bet you still have a great collection even without your sealed games. 😂👍
Holy smokes, that Darude sandstorm tour shirt is fire!
DODODODODO!!!
Man that's alot of Super Mario/Duck Hunt coffee tables! 😂
nwc video reference. u a true fan.
Yes! One of the best avgn episodes
@@bhcamaro2002 possibly my fav avgn episode.
😎👌
I love gaming and I love how gaming can entertain and give you some escapism from reality for a time but 660 thousand dollars for a game Is absolutely bloody insane.
Some people really have too much money if you can blow 600k on a video game
I bet 660,000$ the person that sold and bought it, never owned, played it and beat the game when it first came out....prove me wrong!
Of course, these people just buy these things to evade their taxes. Just like with modern "art". Give a piece of crap an insane value, put your earnings in it and boom!
Who cares
@@neatuhfajita9128 yo momma
Yea probably some boomer or Arabian prince.
@@yotvvan2472 Aren’t these two kind of people more into classical art?
Anyone remember Don West on the shop at home network selling all those gem mint 10 rookie cards for stupid outrageous prices? This is the same thing here.
Has anyone tried to hunt down an original H-seam shrink wrapping machine yet? That will be the money printer!
I should've never opened any of my toys growing up! GEEZ-LOU-HEEZ!
No kidding. I had Transformers, GI Joe's, Masters of the Universe and more. Ripped them open and toss the packing in the trash.
Yeah i had G1 optimus and every nes ad on and tons of games. Not to mention the o.g. he man toys
Imagine driving all the way to Vegas expecting Gold and leaving with Diamonds
When I first saw this story my immediate thought was that this is some kind of Racket or money laundering scheme where the same small group of people are just buying and selling from each other to either purposefully bring the price up to absurd levels, or to move money around.
Yep, money laundering scheme
What about Ys Book I & II?! That series is still active unlike all the others mentioned in the TG 16 discussion.
I'm going to check down my drawers just in case I find something worth 660k ;)
Is it weird that I said “Seeeeealed” out loud just like Pat when I first saw Taco Bell’s new “Sealed for You” sticker on my drink?
Bro did same about a week ago lol your not alone
I loved Karnov for the cover art and that ended on the first level...🎭
NOOO NOOO I DIDNT MAKE $660 000 selling drugs. I totally made it by selling a sealed Mario bros NES game
Holy moly, just keeps going up
18:20
MK on the Gameboy: *Am I a joke to you?*
I mean, yeah...
Weirdly been watching one of my favorite movies of all time, _Wall_ _Street_ . I see many many parallels when I hear about these games. Pumping up values, collusiony type dealings etc.
Blue Horseshoe loves graded NES carts.
I've been saying this type of thing will eventually happen with vinyl records, as someone with a business selling them. Not saying its a good thing. First releases in very high condition of key albums are already getting higher and higher, once they add in some professional grading company, the prices will likely go insane. It's a similar situation to Gaming, but its not as advanced, but now you are getting the articles calling vinyl an investment. We just don't have a professional grading company - yet. And we don't really have special auction companies yet hyping up the rare records. I believe this will come. Mario is iconic, but so are the Beatles.
It's also important to note that this isn't the first print of the Japanese original. That'd be the real deal.
We've discussed this previously that video game collecting does not follow other media in terms of the *true* first release being the most coveted.
@@PatTheNESpunk is there any news you follow on the Japanese collecting market, over there I mean. Curious if the same level of hype exists in the domestic Japanese collecting market. A topic worth bringing up if there are examples, only ones that come up are western sales in the news.
Games in Japan weren’t sold sealed. Every copy looks exactly the same there aren’t any variants.
@@toaker probably the way it should be here too
@@PatTheNESpunk I know, I was the one that brought that topic to your attention.
What’s crazy to me is there are people grading PS2 & GC games now. I saw a God of War 1 graded & I was like, why?!
20 year window for collecting for looking back. 90s you got the 70s revival, then next 80s and so on. we had 90s for ages, now its early 2000s. selling physical media there was little interest in 90s and early 2000s bands a few years ago, now they sell like crazy.
Because games like GTA san andreas on PS2 are going for thousands lol If it's sealed and got a wata case it apparently doesn't matter, it's worth thousands ;p Heck a sealed FF7 went for thousands, if I remember correctly, and that is the 2nd most common PS1 game in existence. There has to be a shit ton of sealed ones floating around.
I am just going to keep playing games
Oh boy its time for me to start selling.
@@devilmikey00 that is so crazy lol. there has to be an atwood for ps2 games in the world with boxes of them sealed hahaha
That sold for more than the Nintendo playstation???
If that rumor of the guys who owned the Nintendo Playstation turned down a million dollar offer then they must feel really sick these days...
One of them is dead, FYI
I sold my sealed copy 3 years ago for $80.... needed to pay the phone bill.
i still don't get how prices are so high for these games. something feels off.
When the prices get this high it's likely a sign that professional investors/funds are getting increasingly involved rather than it just being wealthy collectors who really want something. The same thing's happened in other collectable fields, the fine art market especially. Paintings don't sell for hundreds of millions because someone wants to hang them in their living room.
Yea this is dodgy.
it’s just pandemic the rich need something to blow there chump change on and this is it apparently
This is exactly why I stopped collecting games. So stupid
If you really want to invest 600.000 why not buy a classic piece of art? Pretty sure that's not feeding a bubble like overpaying for a 40 year old video game and expecting to get at least the same money back at some point.
Or it's all money laundering...
Games are art
This strikes me as one of those times someone else writes the article and provides it to the site/paper/magazine. Essentially an advertisement mascarading as a free story for the publisher.
Half a million bucks for a game you're not going to play and is going to sit on shelf for a few decades. This is the side of game collecting I just can't wrap my head around.
Its a cool historical item it's just that the price is goofy
What exactly gives Wata any credibility to grade games? Do they have decades of experience? No. Do they have extensive manufacturing records and reference material to help root out fakes? They don't claim to. Their only source of credibility seems to be being in bed with a large auction house, which only really gives them the appearance of credibility rather than any actual claim of credibility. A pretty beneficial relationship for the auction house too if it helps push the price of items up.
Wata and Heritage Auctions mutually beneficial relationship makes me rather uncomfortable.
100%. unfortunately the business they are running is not going after. it will move into new things with time. its a great scam, charge to grade, grading increases value, more items get sent to be graded. it exists in the art world, but its panels, who decide if a work is legit or not. look into the history of Andy Warhol Art Authentication Board, to give a sense of this will go for high value items.
Sounds like ian missed Gonzaga vs UCLA unfortunate. The best college basketball game ever
They’re just handing money back and forth to one another inside a small group of collectors hoping someone will bite.
Hey, what’s the name of that song displayed on Ian’s t-shirt? 😝
I duno if i was Pat id be grading and selling my gold cart. Like start a good retirement fund. Yeah it'd suck but man i think he paid 5-10k but could ez get 100k -500k. I mean no way he will get another but jesus i mean it may pay for castle contri
Doesn't the plastic wrap gradually shrink over time crushing the box? What happens to the price then?
This type of stuff bothers me in the normal collecting scene, you will no longer find Mario games not in box for 10-20$ at the most at garage sales anymore grandma and gramps will think they have something worth hundreds if not thousands of dollars. They don't understand sealed and mint they just see Mario.
I have a sealed NBA Jam TE for Sega Genesis. Maybe I should go get it graded and auction it off for $11,000 or some other random price.
These PS1 and N64 games are insane.
Anyone buying graded games like the GBC Pokémon Crystal with a battery inside needs to have their heads examined . Those batteries will eventually start venting corrosive gasses and rot the whole thing from the inside out .
Never trust a company that would grade a timebomb .
idk, maybe we can chemical test the fumes, to see if it was a legit first edition battery!
So much for just a fucking cartridge of super mario bros. Screams market manipulation to me. These guys buying this stuff are absolutely nuts or hedge fund-kids
Let's start referring to this particular pricing bubble as Space Inflators.
What good is buying a game if you can't play it. It's like buying an expensive car you can never drive. (just saying)
When you can make a copy of the original game for nothing, then maybe spending that much money would not be the wisest thing to do.🤦♂️
I think the VERY EARLY 2nd 3rd prints of TMNT 1st and even 2nd issues are worth money.
For me, the craziest thing about these auction prices is I remember seeing some of these games when they were $5-$10 in a bargain bin.
Nobody wanted old ipods, now they sell for high prices...
Yea this is nuts its not like there has been a super long time between then and now maybe if these games where centuries old they would worth this much but no games are that old yet.
I'm just as curious to know what kind of money WATA gains when they "grade" the games to help make them these disgusting prices. I understand preservation, but damn man. I just wonder what's in the box?? Oh!.. its just classic as hell Super Mario on the NES? So the cellophane & condition is worth over 600k to someone? This world is genuinely nuts-o
WATA gets to build a reputation, and become the big name for grading video games, which will generate reoccuring revenue for them. Other than that, perhaps they are getting a kickback from some of these sellers if it goes past a certain price point?
That being said though, it is still not worth that kind of money. But its not my money, so who cares.
For only the rich guys! Someone has to much money 🥴
is called Money Laundry, that game cost no more than $1K or around just some months ago, that's is called inflation on unstable market.
How long has Pat been out of serious collecting? 15 years?
Let’s flood the market and see these “investors” left in negative equity
u dont now what your talking about pat, that mario cart is going to the moon 🚀brrrrrr
alright Ian (!!!) ... :D
With that pic of Bonk, shouldn't the logo be off to the side rather then on top?
Didn't you just do video about this last podcast? About the one in Pawn Stars
Today in "people with way too much money burning a hole in their pocket" news.
how many mario bros was sold ?? its a popular game and i'm sure theres at least a few more that exist sealed some where in the world.
If there's a guy with cases of Stadium Events, you bet there're a guys with cases of SM games.
How many copies did Pat have? 😆
Wow that is a very high price tag. Would be cool to see a mint sealed copy of SMB. Great topic guys.
Actually, this $660,000 Super Bro Bros did start off at zero dollars and slowly was bid up to $310,000 over the past month at Heritage Auctions culminating to it ending at the record price it achieved 5 days ago.
you got so many facts wrong in this segment it is alarming .
the auction started at $1. for a month, then the live auction started (which started at $310,000, where the $1 online auction ended before transitioning to live auction).
The copy you are holding during the video may or may not have the 1 code on the back. that is what is separating this from later hangtags.
In other hobbies, a pressing that's not the first will only be valuable if there's a unique aspect that makes that particular variant appealing.
Example: Beatles 2nd state "butcher" cover is somewhat collectible because it's got the original cover underneath (Schrodinger's Butcher) and so many people have removed the 2nd state covers that kinda make them a lot more rare than they used to be.
With games, I could see if a particular variant had a different ROM than other releases, or some kind of print aspect that would make it "stand out" in a significant way... definitely doesn't seem like proper valuations are going on...
These prices definitely tempt people like myself to pay wata money to sell my games...I may be the sucker, but hopefully I sell before any bubble bursts. I hope those in our 30’s/40’s realize it’s better to buy a house than to own a game from our childhood that can be played today on many systems.
I do think it's fair to describe Bonk as the TG16's "Mario" - it was their lead title that got a ton of advertising and was a platformer. It wasn't the same caliber of game (nor does it have the same offerings) but it's not entirely inaccurate to describe it that way.
It is absolutely collusion. "Collector" A: I will bid up and win your game and you do the same for mine, then we'll relist them at their new "value" in a few weeks
"Collector" B: agreed
Is this the same game that goes around more than my ex?
I had the Championship Edition of Madden 93, and the only thing I could tell was changed was that the cover was a different piece of paper.
This Pat dude hates this Wata stuff 😆. I personally don’t care about it. I would never spend $660K on a video game. Who the heck buys this stuff? Must be a secret society of game collectors with millions of dollars to blow... Weird. 😳... who was bidding on this? Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers? 😂 ...My friend recently just sold a sealed Shantae and the Pirates curse for the Switch it was from Limited Run for $1,300.00 on eBay. People are nuts 🙄
I could never leave anything in my office or home untouched for 30/40 years.
TMNT #1 3rd print is selling for upwards of $1k now. It's insane. I picked up #1 3rd print for maybe $25 about 6ish years ago. Just saw an auction for #1 3rd print with 1st prints of 2-4 sell for $2800. I almost shit. Picked all four of those up for less than $100. The market for a lot of things is weird AF right now.
That Madden Championship game was super cool back in the day. I could have bought one when it first came out for $100. And what made it cool (and different from the other Madden's up until that point) was that it had all (from 1960 onward, I believe) the Super Bowl/NFL Championship teams as playable teams.
Considering Pokémon Emerald complete in box is going for over $540, I'm not surprised. Prices are quadrupling.
Even loose one sells for a hundred something. Tell me about it! 😅
Come on man i remember those being everywhere.
Interesting commentary from Pat on this one. When I heard about this, I thought it was some super rare FAO Schwartz cartridge , like a unicorn CIB NES cart. It still sounds like it is in amazing shape for a 35+ year old unopened box. But fourth print, and there were a few more in the past sold of this quality? $300k seems crazy for starting bid. Still rare, I understand.
Honestly I am lot for words at that sold price.
I knew all bets were off when those morons were buying the sealed 2600 games for 4 digit, some close to 5 digit prices...on sealed Atari 2600 games? That arent Air Raid? Yeah, something has been rotten ever since then. You know there are so many shipping boxes, heck even crates/pallets of sealed Atari 2600 stuff probably laying around.
A 8.4 Action Comics w/ the debut of Superman just sold for over 3 million dollars just this week ......more than a sealed 9.6 Super Mario Bros. .....😆......😶
I saw a WATA F-Zero graded SNES game sell for $870.00. Someone was selling a F-Zero from a sealed box during a Game Chasers episode Pat was in. That just shows how over values some of this stuff is.
WATA has to have enough info by now for a Consensus Report on some titles. At least Mario 1, Mario 3, Zelda and Punch Out.
I also wonder how many sealed and CIB collectors are trying to cash in. I'm sure it's tempting. What do you think Pat and Ian?
If five people new to this kind of collecting did this, and bidding had started at, say, $50K and ended up at $600K, I would not think this was so insane. Whatever happened to but low and sell high? Even a person is comfortable spending the money, shouldn't they still be interested in maximizing their potential profit?
"IAN! I have 2 of 'em!"
A lot of this is due to the insane amount of money printing that's going on and people searching for a store of value given interest rates are so low and yield is so difficult to find
BS. Until they prove it sold, it's BS. They're just advertising themselves.
I think the whole retro games market is just stupid now. Everyone is just pushing the limit of how much they can charge for any kind of game with very few actually listing at PriceCharting MSRP. It’s pure greed. At some point there has to be a limit.
So tired of this. Its not about the game anymore but the stupid fucking box! Yeah its nice to have a decent box with manual but to have a sealed game thats never been played. It flies in the face of what the hobby is! Ok I might pay a couple hundred more for a good case and manual but thats the least important part! At least Stadium events and the Mario tournament carts are kind of rare but 660k for Super Mario brothers cause its in a nice box?!?! To hell with these people. All they are going to do is leave wreckage in their wake with this Speculating bullshit.
I don't buy it either, fact is we don't even know for sure when SMB was released... Seems like Nintendo is in the same boat. Only active collectors pooling resources honestly can determine rarity, and as you pointed out Pat... These guys have everything to gain by convincing the "scene" this is valuable. Some see it as an investment or a retirement plan that must be protected, even if that protection involves deception. It shouldn't be this way!
Pat - What do you think a CIB Magical Chase graded 9.0 from Wata would be worth? $1,000.000!???!! Woo-Hoo!