What If Carthage Conquered Rome? | Alternate History
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What if the Roman Republic was successfully conquered by Carthage and Macedonia, dividing Rome's lands between the Punic and Greek worlds, making it as though the would-be Roman Empire never existed?
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Attempt 5 (with a bit of changing)
You can choose any of the 5 question:
What if the Philippines was never a colony?
What if William Henry Harrison lived longer?
What if the Mongol Empire successfully conquered Japan?
What if the Netherlands manage to keep Indonesia (Dutch East Indies)?
Annnnnnnnnd...
*What if Leon Trotsky survived the assassination while Joseph Stalin was assassinated during WWII?*
There are my 5 question. Choose one for your next video. ^_^
Monsieur Z come on man make an actual discord please?
@@unclesam5230 Discord is undeserving of our great community.
@@MonsieurDean Could you also do What if the U.S. captured Pancho Villa
Monsieur Z how come?
Rome: How much content do you want
Monsieur Z: Sic
wassup supreme leader
I get the joke, but sic doesn't mean yes, even though it is the word that would later become sí in Spanish and sì in Italian. In Latin, it just means "thus"
IMPERATOR (sic)
What's up my fellow romeaboos
@Chimbala Kalaswa
TAKE THAT BACK MONSIEUR I AM NOT
Dad: why are your eyes red?
Me: weed
Dad: I can tell you're lying. you were crying about this video
Me: yes
Oh no duolingo Bird how did you find me. I shouldnt have lost that streak...
What if Britain stayed "roman" after the collapse of the western Roman empire.
Kevin Hixson yesssss
If the Roman Britions remained in control instead of the Anglo Saxons after the fall Western Roman Empire Britain would have alot more Romanesque architecture today and modern English would more closely relate to Latin similar to how Spanish, French, Italian, and Portuguese have deep Latin roots in their pronunciation
William Duke of Normandy would have never conquered England in 1066 because they're would be no Anglo Saxons
Please do this Mr z
Romano-British gang
Yeah, seems EXTREMELY unlikely Islam would develop in this scenario, without Chistianity being so widespread first.
True Islam is inspired by many Christian elements
One of the main issues with Christianity was the nature of Christ in relation to the Spirit and the Father, which was seized upon by Islam, hence the “there is only one god, and Muhammad is his prophet” being elegant and sophisticated in its simplicity.
Islam is just a retorted and a twisted copy of Christianity and Judaism - without Judaism and Christianity - Muhammad would just be a mere ordinary figment of the populace as well, and another cult would rise otherwise.
yeah there's a popular theory that the quran is just a badly translated version of the bible
@@thorpeaaron1110 I think that I read somewhere that an old copy of the Koran litterally said that Islam was "Christianity for Arabs" in its introduction.
Not sure tho
Poul Anderson wrote a story called "Delenda Est" where, due to manipulation by future agents, Rome fell and Western Europe became dominated by a hybrid Carthaginian/Kelt culture. The east was divided into various Germanic/Slavic/Lithuanian nations.
Lithuanians in Eastern Roman Empire?
@@alkopolityk In the story a Balto-Slavic Lithuania-Poland became the dominant power in the East. There were a number of different Carthago-Kelt nations in the West. In the story's universe competing sides traveled up and down the timeline trying to change time to their own advantage. The Time Patrol, to which the people in the story belonged, managed to undo the change caused by the other side and reinstated our own timeline so that the different timeline never actually existed.
I’m Tunisian and i always ask myself this question (and also probably modern day would look like if Carthage had won)
It truly would've been a Great civilization
Pheonicians wouldn't have been genocided by the Romans.
And their great heritage would've been respected like the greeks.
What do you know about the Jews and human sacrifice?
I bet you wouldn't live where you live.
@@maddogbasil their civilization would still exists, they were capitalist and capitalism adapts.
Entire history of Western civilization change so also colonialism and “Discovery” of the Americas and all the implications
Overly complicated; the only reason that Rome outlasted Hannibal, is that Hannibal didn't attack Rome; the man didn't just want Rome's defeat, he wanted Rome to humble itself and do as one did back then in the Greek world, accept defeat by sending out envoys to the conquering army, and humble oneself in front of the victorious general. The Romans however were of a different sort, and didn't accept defeat, they wondered why Hannibal didn't attack Rome directly, there was nothing to stop him. Hannibal waited, the Romans got to build new armies, and so eventually Hannibal was defeated.
Carthage winning thus doesn't require allies, it just requires that Hannibal when he still had the man power, is finally fed up, attacks Rome directly, and sacks it.
You are focussing on the wrong things. If Cartage had won the 2nd punic war they'd have dominated the western mediteranian.
That means Cartagian culture focused on trade would have spread as opposed to roman culture focused on war.
A more merchantile less martial western mediteranian would have utterly changed history.
There is also a lot to be said that a merchantile empire would outlast a martial one.
Britain lasted a Century's
@@adriankovac1943 By what stretch did it last a mere century? How could you possible argue it ended before the independence of India? How could you argue it was not already in full swing when the America's were colonized.
Even then you're talking about the age of radio, telegram, railroads, steam engines, printing press, gun powder and proper sailing. Great powers of changr. During Britains rule it was much harder to maintain the status quo then during Roman times.
@@rutger5000 I meant British world dominance not empire I should have clarified more.
If Greece and Carthage had defeated Rome, we would now be watching a video about " What if Greece and Carthage never defeated Rome".
With this nation's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.
Yes/No
Bro just take the cartridge out blow on it and put it back in, should do the trick.
Morrowind?
*better world
@@kalimacho1 yes
Have you ever thought of 'what if Britain tried continue being a empire', like after ww2 didnt decolonise but tried to hang on to their global possessions.
Love the work keep it up
Good idea but I would also like to see that with other countries like France etc.
@@cactitiger Oooo you suggesting one where both France and Britain try maintaining i like.
I think that 'tried' isn't the best word here. More like what if they COULD keep it.
Ho-ho! Still more Roman fun! This was an interesting change of emphasis; I rather enjoyed seeing the consequences unfold.
As ever, a few more ideas if you should ever run dry:
-WI President Johnson used tactical nuclear weapons against the Viet Cong?
-WI the Western world never adopted liberalism? (IE in the Enlightenment sense)
-WI National Socialism gained power only outwith Germany?
-WI Huey Long survived and became President in 1940? (I think you did this one a while back, but could always do with a redux)
-WI Agustín de Iturbide’s First Mexican Empire survived?
...no particular theme to all these, but I'm beginning to come up with my own backboard of ideas.
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Same
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What If I was 1 Year 2 Minutes Early?
More like what if I was eight minutes early
Also can you do What if the Greek colonies on the Italian Peninsula were able to expand and eventually conquer all of Italy preventing the rise of Rome
You really deserve more subscribers man, keep up the good content!
The Phoenicians gave us the concept of alphabets. What did the Romans give us?
public bathrooms where everyone shit together
@@yossifhadadand guns probably
Rome gave us basically the entirety of history, without it western and central Europe would be a completely different place and the Americas would be COMPLETEY reshaped
Eventually, on that timeline - Egypt would just succumb to Carthage as a Carthaginian province instead of a client state, Carthage itself would dominate the Mediterranean and whole of Europe just as like Rome did because they see fit to their own existence and dominance, then Germans, Slavs, Hunnic Mongols and Arabs would then do the same to Carthage as usual.
I don't think so Carthage would have spread itself across the Mediterranean bcoz Carthage was a mercantile based empire and not an expanisionist or military society like Rome was, Carthage's professional army or citizen army was always outnumbered by its mercenary army, But if Carthage had changed the way it thought before it would build a professional army but building a professional army would need more resources which Carthage lacked and had less iron ores in Africa and build their most of the weapons in Numidia, Well they can get iron from Spain but Spain has to be fully conquered and the resources should be used in to make an army instead of ships
i can see carthage taking egypt due to it actually being worth conquering and i think hannibal would do it after civil warring his senate like caesar
civil war was inevitable if he won due to how his senate behaved during the war with rome
@@demonmenace4657 I don't think so, Carthage would still follow the same path as Rome did, and what's even great is that they would become the Quasi-Anarcho capitalist alternate equivalent of Rome and the world would become Semitic/Punic instead of becoming Latin.
Monsieur Z: "I've got stacks...[of books]."
Dovahhatty: Screams internally and externally to the point of creating a sonic boom
Barbarians, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
No Hadrian going "Mad."
Me, who is a big Carthage fan:
*laughs in Barcid*
The last time I was this early the Roman Empire was still alive
What if The Warsaw Uprising succeeded?
Mabye a free poland goverment? Good question. I will give it a like so he can see it!
@@svenneboll3984 they probably still be capitalist.and not be part of the warsaw pact(this might even heat Up the cold war.)
@@radonrodan8332 true
Combine it with a successful 20. July 1944 coup: The Western Allies reject first peace proposals of the new German government => Warsaw Uprising happens a few weeks later and the Beck administration decides to leave Warsaw and the occupied Poland (with exception of Posen and West-Prussia) => Free Polish Forces take control over the territory and function as buffer between the Red Army and the Reichswehr.
Perhaps Stalin accepts the unfortunate turn of events and concentrate his war efforts on East-Prussia and the Balkans, but more likely he orders his troops to attack Free Poland. Now the Allies must decide to abandon Poland to take Germany down or to accept a German peace/alliance proposal in order to save Poland from the Soviets.
Could be an interesting scenario for “monarchist or democratic Germany/Free Poland/Western Allies against Soviet Union” or a “deathmatch: Western Allies vs. Germany vs. Soviet Union vs. Free Poland”.
I think that it wouldn't change that much. Poland would probably end like Czechoslovakia- the government would return to Warsaw but the rest of the country still would be occupied by Red Army. We could guess that under pressure from Soviets and Western allies Warsaw and Lublin governments would merge forming Transitional National Unity Government, simmilarly to what happened in our timeline. One of the main differences could be that the commanders of Home Army wouldn't be immediately arrested and transported to Moscow but Stalin would allow HA to become part of united Polish Army. After war leaders of former Polish Resistance still would be arrested in show-off trials. Meanwhile communists would take crucial positions in government end eventually make coup d'etat simmilarly to what happened in u
Czechoslovakia. Ultimately we would only slightly postpone process of stalinisation Poland.
That's part of the reason why I think that Warsaw Uprisnig was from the start pretty stupid idea. Even succesful it would give Poland little to nothing.
Can you do what if the Japanese invaded Australia during WW2
The Emus, having been conscripted into the Australian Military alongside the Crocodiles and Sharks would repel the determined invasion, with heavy losses on both sides.
Funny u😂
@@flygonbreloom hahaha i am dying of laf lmao Sksksk crying emogee
Flygon the flanderisation of Australia continues.
@@lewisham yep
8:08 is where the question of the day is voiced out. you gotta love it
What if Tuva wasn't annexed by the USSR
Tana Tuva would immediately start ww3 they would take over all of Mongolia and China and start a cold war with the US and annex serbia from the Soviets
Japan and korea would join them and india would fall into chaos the eu would collapse and the US would fall into civil war
Nothing would change except they would ne independent today or maybe part of Mongolia
@@ivanf.482 dude, thats one way to ruin it
Then there would be a GREATER MONGOLIA lead by BARON VON URNGURN STERNBURG OF COURSE
Greater doesn't say much though since we'll greater simply means bigger in this case and it's only a tuva bigger SO ITS A TUVA GREATER.
Tana Tuvan world order
Maybe what if Byzantium/ Eastern Rome was a colonial power for a future topic?
The Byzantine Empire would probably expand further into North Africa for colonies
@@thorpeaaron1110 that’s what I was thinking they could’ve expanded down twords Ethiopia and if u wana go further use that to get to Australia
@@dominic5952 Don't see it
Next Plan: What if Rome discovers gunpowder?
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Cool video Monsieur Z. Great work!
What if Alexander the Great didn't die in 323 but lived to found a dynasty?
His empire would have been awesome
I... question the assumptions that Islam would develop independent of widespread Christianity, and also the idea that the Arab conquest would still play out the same in the East without an Eastern Roman foil to the Sassanids (or still Parthians? Unclear in the video)
exactly, why would Persia still fall?
What if the United States never manifested its destiny?
and/or
What if Captain Cook never went on his voyages?
What if the Sassanians won the Sassanid-Byzantine war of 602-628?
Attempt 5 (with a bit of changing)
You can choose any of the 5 question:
What if the Philippines was never a colony?
What if William Henry Harrison lived longer?
What if the Mongol Empire successfully conquered Japan?
What if the Netherlands manage to keep Indonesia (Dutch East Indies)?
Annnnnnnnnd...
*What if Leon Trotsky survived the assassination while Joseph Stalin was assassinated during WWII?*
There are my 5 question. Choose one for your next video. ^_^
Had Stalin being assassinated early in the war maybe the USSR would lose . Had he been killed in 1944-45 not much would change about the war , except Khruschev would not become leader and maybe other people like Molotov or Berija do . Trotskij would build quite a strong movement around the world and trotskijsm around the globe could have more importance
If the Mongols successfully conquered Japan in 1281 they would hold power help until at least the 15th century because the Mongols would be in great decline the Japanese would eventually revolt against Mongol rule driving them out of Japan. After the Mongol control of the country Japan would recognize a need for a central government and so would make one and in the following centuries they would heavily place emphasis on expanding the military
The Bank of the United States would return if William Henry Harrison lived longer. One of the only reasons the Whigs supported him because he promised he would reestablish the bank after he was elected and the Bank of the United states would exist today
I love the videos but please, when we're only talking about Europe, please zoom in on the map so we can see the changed borders ect. Don't need to see the rest of the world 😊
It would be interesting to see how this would affect the discovery of the Americas, as it was primarily driven by the defeat of The Byzantine Empire and the Ottoman Empire placing strangleholds into trace.
It will be nice if you make part 2 of this story
Can we please get some more New Amerika lore? I’ve been wanting to hear about New England and the South
It's impossible to say how the world would have turned out if Rome lost or didn't exist but I suspect Europe would be very different and because European powers had such a big impact on the world, the entire world would likely be very different, for better or for worse.
I have many disagreements...
many empires adopted systems from its fallen enemies, while merchant empires would learn of the various technologies around the world much faster than a regular empire.
so I think, an empire as great as Carthage, which have massive infastructure focused on sea trade, would manage to adopt most of the land infastructure systems of rome, develop agriculture, and while I don't assume a modern capitalist system would occur, it would still have some resemblance to that.
the ideas of fighting for your nation to get lands and titles would also spread across the various empires, including Carthage, developing a new type of professional army that is a midway between Rome's legions, and Feudal European knights, Carthage would use this system to conquer most if not all of the mideteranean, and expand a little bit here and there, with their sea trade and land routes they would also have faster transportation and communication than Rome, making them last longer before collapsing due to their massive size.
I do not think Monotheism would develop in the area, it is not a must, look at India, south east Asia, and east Asia, they managed to develop their national identities without monotheism, instead they had Philosophical religions (Buddhism - Taoism - Jainism etc...) polytheistic religions (all merged in Hinduism) and various Shamanistic or spiritual religions.
I am disappointed that we did not cover carthage but The effort you made in this video Makes me feel the exact opposite Keep up the good work 👌👌👌
Carthage, like the Minoans and Tyre before.. and Venice, the Netherlands and Genoa after; was a merchant empire.
So makes it feel like quiet a mind twister thinking how it could have won in the end.
As others have pointed out, it's highly unlikely that Islam would have formed in this timeline, and if it did it'd have been just as irrelevant as Christianity and Judaism. Islam, after all, is one of the three Abrahamic religions, and adopted a lot of its tenets. They even have figures like Jesus as their own prophets. Without the influence of an already well-spread Christianity, the Arab tribes and clans would have likely kept to their regional religions, and even if the Banu Sai'da clan did try to form the Rashidun Caliphate, it's unlikely that they would have expanded so easily. After all, the ease of their expanse was helped by their neighbours' familiarity with existing Abrahamic religions, and it wasn't hard for the Caliphate to convince other tribes and clans to join them and adopt their faith. In a world where the near east is still a mix of Hellenistic, Egyptian, and Canaanite religions, an upstart Islamic caliphate would find expansion much much harder with a lot more resistance from the populations they conquered.
What's more likely to have happened is that the clans and tribes of the Arabian peninsular would eventually over time adopt either some Greco-Egyptian hybrid religion or some form of Zoroastrianism depending on whether they allied themselves with the more Hellenic empires to the west or the Parthian and then Sassanid empires to the east. Over time, Arabia and Mesopotamia would become melting pots of the religions and cultures of either side of them, as no strong state would ever have unified the regions and enforced a single religion.
Gotta say, I’m enjoying that blue / purple color scheme on those two flags in the thumbnail. Looks very suave. Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊
Monsieur Z, I ask of you this one thing. What if the reconquista never happened? Please... pretty please.
Both a nice name, and an excellent question
@@gorge2786 I thank you
@Judah P. Benjamin you are absolutely Haram!
What if Roman Empire conquer the moon
Then we called it Luna
Gott min unz
@@Newbmann *Gott mit uns
@@zyanego3170 Im a american from appalachian ohio give me some slack okay.
@@Newbmann Na gut
I believe that Christianity would still rise but it would be limited to Greece, Egypt, Armenia and Ethiopia.
What if Greece conquered Rome
They did, just In every way but militarily
@@gorge2786 militarily as well if u count the eastern romans sending the barbarians who did the last hit to the west
I don't see Macedon being too happy about Carthage's control over Italy.
I agreed with the early stages but I don't see why Parthia would lose tha easily, or why monotheism becomes a thing.
What if the Plains Indians united under a charismatic warchief (ala the Mongols under Genghis Khan), and successfully resisted westward expansion?
What if the Fall Of Constantinople sparked a new crusade against the Ottomans?
What if Greece united following the Greco-Persian Wars?
We would see an powerful Native American empire in the Continental U.S.
I don't understand why almost in every timeline the rise of Islam is presented as an inevitability.
What if Nuclear energy was never discovered ?
That's ab interesting one. There'd have been another World War by now, probably. We only stopped at two because the end of WWII marked the turning point where another global conflict would be species-wide suicide.
Then Russia would’ve steamrolled Western Europe after WW2.
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-ANd BEcaUSe Of ThaT ThERe wOuLD Be No RiSE Of ChrIsTIAnity...
All western Rome would be Carthage and Gauls, and eastern Rome would stay Greek states, with Ptolemy Dynasty surviving far longer in Egypt.
Here is a what if challenge. How about a scenario in which Paraguay actually won its war against Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay. Feel free to allow Bolivia to ally with Paraguay and/or to allow the near war between Brazil and England to force all those nations to join forces to force them back. I would like to see how you would handle it
What if the Serbian Empire beat the Ottoman Turks in the Battle of Maritsa? Would the Serbian Empire extend into Anatolia?
Once you are done with your Roman trip, could you do a what if on if the UK and Hannover never split. Either with Queen Victoria being born a boy or dying as a child. What effects would this have on German unification? How would World War I go? Etc.
this man's out here asking the RIGHT questions
Do a video where Visigoth Spain defeats the Moors and how would that victory change European history.
Goodbye western world
Suggestion: What if the Great Depression caused a 2nd American Civil War
What if Engelbert Dollfuss survived his assassination attempt in 1934 and continued to lead Austria away from the Nazi Party and toward Austrian Fascism?
“What if Hannibal barca is in the roman side?”
The question is why would he
What of shaka zulu was born earlier in the 1600's
what if Queen Elizabeth the II got assassinated in 1981 on the Trooping of the Colour event
Please put more zoomed in maps when you’re talking about phases that only concern smaller regions (like the Mediterranean or Europe), even if it’s only for early regional phases of the whole timeline. It’d be much easier to see
Fantastic video idea! I really enjoyed it! I really enjoyed it immensely! I agree with everything except the religion aspect. While I definitely think that the spread of the Christian Faith would have been much more difficult under Carthage, I still think that it would have spread across Europe, as saints and missionary orders would have gone out to spread the Faith.
This is a fantastic video, though i definitely disagree that Egypt or even Macedon would be able to survive and remain powers for as long as they do in this scenario
I'm not sure if I entirely buy the idea of a monotheistic Egypt as while I inderstand that they accepted christianity it wasn't because that it was one god that they accepted, it was the message of a level of equality and compassion. In history we see a Pharoah attempting a monotheistic religion based around Aten which brought the pharoah an enormous amount of hatred and died with him.
Overall the inclusion of the religious aspects was odd as there wasn't much explanation as to why. With egypt you helped us understand why they would need a unifying religion but not how or why Mainland greece would accept a deity that I'm sure they would see as Egyptian.
About german invasions one of the main reasons they could do this was largely because centuries earlier ROme had basically destroyed Celtic power in Europe.
Gaul now bereft of any threats would still unite though probably slower but still unite they would in the face of the Germanic migrations.
Without Rome to do that the Germanic migration while certainly not stopped would definitely prevented by Celts as well as the two other powers in this scenario. Might even stop German migration alltogether (Maybe). There would still be Germanic migrations into Europe but nowhere near as severe as in our timeline.
Hey can you make a part 2 to “If rome discovered America” please
Nice I don't think I've ever seen you get sponsored. You deserve it.
What if the habsburg candidate won the Polish lithuanian royal elections and integrated them.
By the time this becomes a thing the king had such little power any integration would be impossible
A better divergence would be following the defeat at the battle of Varna
@@gorge2786 I'm not so sure we would be taking about a habsburg emperor with the support of hungary and bohemia
Edit : ok i see your Point anyhow its for the scenario sake
What if Qing China industrialised?
What it the mongols never conquered China?
What if the Mughals never conquered India?
What if west Africa industrialised?
Please do a video on What If The Alliance Between Germany, Austria-Hungary and Russia (Dreikaiserbund) remained intact?
I think Pliny wrote an alternate history in which Alexander went west instead of east.
15:21 about the entire point o religion, I say I disagree. I'm for the opinion (well apart from religious/theological explanations since I'm a Christian myself) that one of the features that made Christianity so popular was its acceptance of all types of people. Ancient religion wasn't about afterlife and such things until mystery cults appeared, and even though Christianity wasn't a mystery cult per se, its friendliness towards the lower classes created popularity.
Given that mystery cults appeared, I would say an ascension of Christianity would still happen. And there's no big reason to believe they wouldn't in a Carthaginian dominated Mediterranean since these cults were primarily Greek.
I'd say Christianity would rise in Macedon and Egypt and spread in the east while the pagan Carthaginian power would fail. Through Macedon eastern barbarian tribes would be converted while western tribes would remain pagan.
Still, centralised or state sponsored religion is necessary as states develop so either paganism would reform in the west through a lot of syncretism or they would gradually get converted as time passed by. A similar thing happened in Germany in our timeline, seeing the good state Christian rulers were, many pagans converted simply because they wanted to imitate the form of government.
Of course this "gradually" I mean is like, thousands of years. Rome did indeed speed up the process by hundreds, if not, a thousand years.
50 mins? Recommended? Whaaaaaa?
The Carthaginians would have most likely explaining along the Atlantic coasts as they tried to in the real world.
What if Segregation and Apartheid were never abolished in their respective areas?
What if Austria-Hungary was made of chocolate?
What if England stayed roman? For whatever reason the Angles, Saxons and jutes never invade England (or their invasion fails) and the remaining Romans in England are able to subdue the Celtic remnants and become the dominant force in the isles. How would this effect our history?
There's never been an Anglo-Saxon invasion as such ( that's a myth) as Germanic federati (mercenaries) were invited by the Romano-British themselves to defend the island from Northern pirates. People are not aware that Britain at time was not a cultural monolithic Island. The South and East ( up the Humber river) was Romanized and the North/West was overwhelmingly native Celtic in speech and culture. It's not by chance that these Germanic mercenaries became the dominant military elite in the most fertile parts of Britain.
Make what if the Latin empire survived along with the Byzantines
Impossible either it would be them or byzantines. Both cant co-exist
The only reason I had not yet subscribed was because I was to busy listening to these videos.
14:24 you're trying to tell me that the Macedonians and Carthaginians live in "relative stability" for 400 years? Nothing happens between then taking down the Seleucids in ~100 b.c. and the German invasions around 300 a.d? No Roman uprisings over Carthaginian rule? No Macedonian invasion of Carthaginian Anatolia? The Carthaginians don't try to retake their historic homeland in the Levant? These two Powers would not be in "relative peace"
I don't know if you already did this but, what if the French had the Civil War leading up to the beginning of the second World War ?
What if the etruscans rose to dominance instead of the Roman's?
I couldn't listen to the video because i've been spending my attention trying to figure out if the background music is from Diablo 2
i have a request. What if Irene of Athens married Charlemagne?
Bro I was thinking the exact same thing. Imagine the Roman empire brought back in 800 AD
Irene and Charlemagne would have been a Medieval power couple managing to bring all of Europe under one rule like an EU of the Middle Ages
@@thorpeaaron1110 i agree on the power couple. plus it could usher in a Neo-Roman Empire. but lets hope Mr. Z gives us a proper scenario.
@@drswag0076 Yeah
What If Carloux Rex defeated Peter The Great during the Great Northern War?
This is an interesting timeline. Any number of factors can influence things. What if Rome rises from its ashes once the other alliances begin to fray? What of the Etruscans to the north? It’s only been a century since they were still a concern. Remnants might regroup. What about the Sudanese kingdom south of Egypt? The Nubians. They were formidable in this time period. They might throw their weight behind one of the Egyptian uprisings and upset things. Further north, further along the timeline, I do not think the Germanic tribes will go west and south as in our timeline. There is nothing to attract them the way the Roman lands did. Perhaps they will go east and south into the Greek stuff. The Alps are a formidable barrier between them and Italee unless there’s something truly worthwhile to incentivize them. And then, of course, there is the steppe. The great steppe of Eurasia with all of its hordes of horse born barbarians who take it into their heads to migrate westward and raid The city folk just exactly as the Indo European speaking ancestors of the Greeks, Celts, Germans and Romans once did two or three millennia before. How would Attila fair in this timeline? What of the Avars and the Bulgars? How about the Magyars? Who will stand against the Turks? And will they still worship Tengri in the absence of Islam? Will the Mongols reach the Atlantic?
A new video. It *looks suspicious* but I like it.
Also, What if the Lithuanians defeated the Christians?
What if Rome got beaten to conquering Carthage or Macedonia?
funny how sometimes the world's fate depends on the decision of a single man. If Hannibal agree with marhabal to attack the city of rome itself after the battle of cannae, much of the world we know today would not even exist.
He could have lost though. I’m just saying Hannibal was a genius but in sieges he did not have much knowledge
The fact that Rome beat Carthage and Greece is so confusing, the Greeks and Phoenicians outclassed Rome I’m pretty much every aspect, the Romans actually winning is pure luck in their part.
Well rome defeated greek states one at a time never all of it together
@@wankawanka3053 yea, but traditionally the Greek states are pretty good at teaming up to deal with large threats, but the Romans invaded at just the right time to avoid any large alliances, and maybe that’s partly good political analyzation on their part, but that really is a 1 in 300 year opportunity
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I personally don’t think a caliphate would rise or at least an Islamic one, mainly because Islam was created from a mixture of Christian, Zoroastrianism, possibility Judaism?, and native pre Islam Arabian beliefs, without Rome Christianity wouldn’t either exist or be as influential, the primary religion in the area would likely be Judaism, an Greek pantheon of some variation, not only that but I’d doubt the Arabs would spread out of Arabia or as far and fast as they did since the primary reason for them doing so in our world was Islam, maybe an Arab kingdom or empire rises to dominate the Arabian peninsula or part of it and maybe a small bit of the lavant but as a minor power compared to the Iranian and Greek empires to its borders
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Greece has never existed as a political entity in antiquity.
But they already called themselves "Hellas" lol
centralization is inevitable i would think in this time line a German war-tribe would be the centralization factor instead of Rome in time since war societies creates strict hierarchies and progress technology it would not be impossible for centralization to still occur since Rome was centralized because it was a militaristic power unlike the Etruscan which was contributing massively to Rome only inspired them after conquest.