What if the Mongol Empire Never Existed?

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  • The Mongol Empire transformed the world. It was all started by one man. So what if that man had lost early on? What would the world look like? This is one scenario.
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  • @AlternateHistoryHub
    @AlternateHistoryHub  3 месяца назад +257

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    • @gerbill13
      @gerbill13 3 месяца назад +5

      me1 second in " 90% of the population wouldn't be related "

    • @death-istic9586
      @death-istic9586 3 месяца назад +2

      Love your videos!💚

    • @LibertyAnd1776
      @LibertyAnd1776 3 месяца назад +3

      Inb4 it becomes the next 23andme

    • @bbaxter9171
      @bbaxter9171 3 месяца назад +2

      you think being part canadian is bad im half ohian

    • @adan1444
      @adan1444 3 месяца назад +1

      My condolences for your Canadian syndrome.

  • @EmperorTigerstar
    @EmperorTigerstar 3 месяца назад +4413

    The Mongols changed so much in so many places that they're basically the human series reboot force.

    • @Aprettysillyguyreal
      @Aprettysillyguyreal 3 месяца назад +87

      Thugshaker central

    • @lucianapalmisano918
      @lucianapalmisano918 3 месяца назад +80

      Please ​@@imperiumgallicum don't start here too

    • @aymanparvezsherani5988
      @aymanparvezsherani5988 3 месяца назад +53

      Yeah without the mongols history would be so radically different, similar to alexander the greatest effect would probably be the dynasties and kingdoms set up after genghis khan's death

    • @WawkWakw
      @WawkWakw 3 месяца назад +38

      ​@@lucianapalmisano918 People nowadays have little idea of what communism actually is

    • @flazzorb
      @flazzorb 3 месяца назад +45

      God: This shits boring, *GABRIEL, start another nomadic empire, make it world shaping!*

  • @JaelaOrdo
    @JaelaOrdo 3 месяца назад +5774

    *I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Genghis’s descendants cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.*

    • @lucianapalmisano918
      @lucianapalmisano918 3 месяца назад +353

      *Mongol throat singing stops*

    • @Peachrocks5
      @Peachrocks5 3 месяца назад +233

      On the other hand millions of other descendants would live instead. Who knows what baby Genghis had murdered that would have led someone else to greatness?

    • @hydrogammer7623
      @hydrogammer7623 3 месяца назад +60

      Read that as France not force, so I got really confused.

    • @sloshed-rat
      @sloshed-rat 3 месяца назад +40

      ​@@hydrogammer7623good job, goober

    • @Balsiefen
      @Balsiefen 3 месяца назад +76

      _Back to the Future photograph of the entire population of China starts fading._

  • @kabobawsome
    @kabobawsome 3 месяца назад +945

    My favorite thing about the fall of the Rum Sultanate is that it was genuinely hilariously petty. Rum was *willing* to pay tribute and even approached the MONGOLS with the offer, the Mongols asked if he could do it in person and the Sultan just told them he wouldn't be able to do it in person, due to the distance. The messenger then left to pass on the message and the Sultan continued on and thought nothing of it. Then the Mongols showed up with an army.

    • @kcinrennat2606
      @kcinrennat2606 3 месяца назад +204

      “If our army could make the journey, so could you!”

    • @Aerodeth
      @Aerodeth 3 месяца назад +148

      And you know what? I would be willing to bet that even if the Sultan were to agree to go down that extremely long path to the other side of Asia to present tribute to the Khan in person, he probably wouldve been killed for not showing up fast enough or with ENOUGH tribute. Or the Khan wouldve ordered to have his Sultanate sacked and occupied by the time the Sultan came back.

    • @RexOedipus.
      @RexOedipus. 3 месяца назад +129

      ​@@Aerodeth The mongols took their oaths seriously. They were brutal yes, but that's to those who wont bow

    • @perrytran9504
      @perrytran9504 3 месяца назад +103

      ​@@RexOedipus. Yep. Rus nobles did visit the capital various times and I don't know of a single time a BS excuse was used to execute one who made it that way. The Mongols also didn't seem particularly strict about how much tribute was offered - King Louis IX sent a gift that was misinterpreted as a sign of submission because to them, any tribute from a foreign ruler had that connotation.

    • @PLee-vu6mp
      @PLee-vu6mp 3 месяца назад +14

      lesson here is... "never tell your potential employer that the office is too far"

  • @Vaquita_Vibes
    @Vaquita_Vibes 3 месяца назад +897

    If anything, Genghis Khan existing was a defining moment for our planet's history. Crazy that he really came from the backwater steep with nothing but minor tribes bickering and next to actual regional powers that were just grinding each other down,

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 3 месяца назад +87

      Just a ridiculous amount of influence. What was bro thinking as a child?

    • @____________838
      @____________838 3 месяца назад +91

      @@projekttaku1 *drinks kefir* “Man, fuck this.”

    • @zaneron8391
      @zaneron8391 3 месяца назад +46

      @@projekttaku1 Lets not die after being abandoned by my tribe, and, Thank fuck my mom is great at this survival stuff, probably.

    • @griefwizard
      @griefwizard 3 месяца назад +15

      that really back hands how strong and influencial tatars were throughout history, literally one of the most dominant powers in antiquity

    • @giovannicervantes2053
      @giovannicervantes2053 3 месяца назад +25

      A child of fucking fate born in the far edge of the world to conquer the world

  • @jimmyalfonda3536
    @jimmyalfonda3536 3 месяца назад +2154

    Genghis Khan really was like "if you shoot the messenger, you're going to wish I only shot you."

    • @SaltoDaKid
      @SaltoDaKid 3 месяца назад +60

      Genghis Khan wanted kings to respect and wanted conquer the lands to improve the Silk Road. Unfortunately a lot stubborn Kings didn’t want give him coin cause they need more money for parties and we’re the most disrespectful one that got the worst treatment. He was a fair man, just pay him and you don’t get a war.

    • @JorgePerez-mg6ok
      @JorgePerez-mg6ok 3 месяца назад +68

      @@SaltoDaKid Did you even watch the video? His forces killed millions, sometimes on a whim.

    • @199kur
      @199kur 3 месяца назад +2

      brother doesn't

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 месяца назад

      💀

    • @yeeyee5057
      @yeeyee5057 3 месяца назад +20

      ​@@SaltoDaKidhe shouldn't be going out to demand tribute from people minding their business thousands of miles away in the first place

  • @imnotkiddinggg
    @imnotkiddinggg 3 месяца назад +1382

    cody absolutely needs to do a "what if the black plague never existed" after teasing us with it at the end, the black plague has always weirded me out, like nature server wiped half the planet in the middle ages and cherry picked the bloodlines of our modern day its fucking scary 0_0

    • @cubefreak123
      @cubefreak123 3 месяца назад +80

      He actually has done that video already, do a search for it (RUclips doesn't allow posting links). It's an older video but it's still good.

    • @thesenate1844
      @thesenate1844 3 месяца назад +8

      ​@@cubefreak123It allows links to other youtube videos

    • @cubefreak123
      @cubefreak123 3 месяца назад +13

      @@thesenate1844 I tried and it said it couldn’t post it. :/
      The video is still a simple search a way regardless.

    • @landon8214
      @landon8214 3 месяца назад +7

      ​@@cubefreak123 I've never been told I couldn't post a link when I did. Odd.

    • @____________838
      @____________838 3 месяца назад

      ruclips.net/video/q1aULu6BqNs/видео.htmlsi=9OwgjyjL9u6Tl5ot

  • @rasmusjp
    @rasmusjp 3 месяца назад +217

    You forgot the most important ramifications of Genghis Khan being out of the picture: West Germany’s entry in the 1979 Eurovision Song Contest would have been significantly less memorable.

    • @TomfooleryOfTheTrolls
      @TomfooleryOfTheTrolls Месяц назад +3

      They would’ve made a song about Hungary or something

    • @diegoyqulki
      @diegoyqulki 28 дней назад +1

      ​@@TomfooleryOfTheTrollsor turkey

    • @TomfooleryOfTheTrolls
      @TomfooleryOfTheTrolls 27 дней назад +1

      @@diegoyqulki I guess there were a lot of Turkic hordes before the Mongols.

    • @BaljkaBIM
      @BaljkaBIM 9 дней назад

      ​@@TomfooleryOfTheTrollsIt would be best to use huns not Turkic or Mongolic

    • @TomfooleryOfTheTrolls
      @TomfooleryOfTheTrolls 9 дней назад

      @@BaljkaBIM Wonder what would happen to Mongolia if there wasn’t a Genghis Khan. Maybe they’d make a song about China or something.

  • @SkinnerNoah
    @SkinnerNoah 3 месяца назад +1141

    I'm American, but because of a single Indian ancestor in the 1600s, I can trace my family tree back to Chengis Khan

    • @BorkDoggo
      @BorkDoggo 3 месяца назад +36

      Indian as in India?

    • @theboogerbomb
      @theboogerbomb 3 месяца назад +115

      @@BorkDoggo what else would they mean?

    • @SaltoDaKid
      @SaltoDaKid 3 месяца назад +183

      @@theboogerbombWe American called our natives, “Indian”, cause “we dumb and can’t change”

    • @BorkDoggo
      @BorkDoggo 3 месяца назад +77

      @theboogerbomb because if he means Native American (as most people in the US would mean if they said they had Indian ancestors from the 1600s) that would make no sense. Im sure he means India but you never know with some people online

    • @Hypogean7
      @Hypogean7 3 месяца назад +7

      You called them that because you initiañly thought you landed near India. ​@@SaltoDaKid

  • @graham7784
    @graham7784 3 месяца назад +1865

    And there goes 5% of the world population’s ancestry

    • @Kemot300
      @Kemot300 3 месяца назад +182

      But 10% of the world population gets to continue living

    • @slyseal2091
      @slyseal2091 3 месяца назад +90

      @@Kemot300 10% of the world population around the year 1000. 5% of the world population in the year 2000 on the other hand, that time travellers got a greater highscore than all moustache men of the 20th century combined.

    • @sloshed-rat
      @sloshed-rat 3 месяца назад +22

      Four-hundred million people. There gets to be a point where putting 0's behind numbers becomes monotonous.

    • @mycaleb8
      @mycaleb8 3 месяца назад +11

      That whole thing is probably BS by the way. A lot of this video uses pretty out of date info honestly.

    • @bflp311
      @bflp311 3 месяца назад +26

      ​@@slyseal2091 That extra 10% can potentially make more people in the long run

  • @angelscribner9719
    @angelscribner9719 3 месяца назад +464

    as a georgian (yes the country) this is the saddest a video of yours has ever made me. thanks cody.

    • @stevemcgroob4446
      @stevemcgroob4446 3 месяца назад +74

      I really think we should start calling your country Sakartvelo in English.

    • @angelscribner9719
      @angelscribner9719 3 месяца назад +30

      @@stevemcgroob4446 word.

    • @landon8214
      @landon8214 3 месяца назад +43

      Ah, you're from the country in Georgia! Yep, the American South is still full of rich, rolling fields on the rural landscape.. Atlanta and Savannah being the biggest cities in Georgia

    • @ccdsds3221
      @ccdsds3221 3 месяца назад +1

      Wussup my asian brother

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 3 месяца назад +6

      @@stevemcgroob4446 Why? They the OG Georgia, aren't they?

  • @moredac2881
    @moredac2881 3 месяца назад +167

    Cody being part Canadian is actually the most horrific thing in this video.

    • @Sinyao
      @Sinyao 3 месяца назад +14

      Just icing on the cake of being from Ohio. Just can't fix that.

    • @noot3427
      @noot3427 3 месяца назад +7

      as a canadian, at least it isn't French.

    • @davey5703
      @davey5703 Месяц назад +3

      Americans on their way to hate on every single country like they're perfect:

  • @nijadbahnam9859
    @nijadbahnam9859 3 месяца назад +182

    Genghis Khan was basically the Thanos of the middle ages.

  • @justsomeguywholikesmangoes1363
    @justsomeguywholikesmangoes1363 3 месяца назад +352

    Almost makes me sad. Imagine how many potentially great people were killed before they got the chance to achieve insane goals.

    • @ElectrostatiCrow
      @ElectrostatiCrow 3 месяца назад +39

      And all it took was Ghengis teaching his friends how to ride horse and shoot arrows.😂

    • @thongdo9809
      @thongdo9809 3 месяца назад +54

      @@ElectrostatiCrow They already good at those things. What Ghengis taught them was how to organize into an army.

    • @kirbydaclan4285
      @kirbydaclan4285 3 месяца назад +5

      Natural selection

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, and current systems don't help either, they stifle potential

    • @unavela
      @unavela Месяц назад +3

      By the same logic he avoided many possible tyrants that could've popped up

  • @Polish-Phoenician
    @Polish-Phoenician 3 месяца назад +355

    19:44
    Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz jumpscare for the non-poles

    • @Gefdragoon
      @Gefdragoon 3 месяца назад +3

      what does it mean btw?

    • @user-yy5di3qg5u
      @user-yy5di3qg5u 3 месяца назад +52

      @@Gefdragoon It's a pseudonym of the main character in Polish comedy film How I Unleashed World War II probably (and probably is especially how ridicilous digraph counts can be in Polish language).

    • @aminadabbrulle8252
      @aminadabbrulle8252 3 месяца назад +33

      @@Gefdragoon Literally translates to "Gregory Buzzergrandson".

    • @prestonjones1653
      @prestonjones1653 3 месяца назад +31

      The Polish language looks like somebody had a stroke and died on a keyboard.

    • @mrhonkhonk6116
      @mrhonkhonk6116 3 месяца назад +14

      "Greg orz Brechhhchszy chchch" -a german officer probably

  • @Solar424
    @Solar424 3 месяца назад +77

    Genealogy sponsorship on a Genghis Khan video is too good

  • @jacksauce
    @jacksauce 3 месяца назад +83

    This topic ABSOLUTELY deserves a part 2!

  • @TorvusVae
    @TorvusVae 3 месяца назад +107

    "Cities you've never heard of"
    You underestimate my power

    • @InquisitorThomas
      @InquisitorThomas 3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, I had a professor back in College who was born in the Soviet Union and his entire thing was studying the art and culture of Central Asia.

  • @darissg
    @darissg 3 месяца назад +455

    "The great man effect is a pretty outda-" I JUST READ CRIME AND PUNISHMENT? HOW DID YOU KNOW? ARE YOU IN MY CLOSET???

    • @batatanna
      @batatanna 3 месяца назад +17

      Yes

    • @MrAlsachti
      @MrAlsachti 3 месяца назад +43

      Yes, we are all there. There is not much space, to be honest.

    • @____________838
      @____________838 3 месяца назад +8

      “It’s a living space”

    • @BirdRaiserE
      @BirdRaiserE 3 месяца назад +7

      "Will Cody ever come out of the closet with Tom Cruise?"

    • @prestonjones1653
      @prestonjones1653 3 месяца назад +8

      He's in the walls...
      *grabs shotgun*
      HE'S IN THE DAMN WALLS!!!

  • @h.utspah4863
    @h.utspah4863 3 месяца назад +53

    Something tha'ts worth adding to the situation in Poland, is that without the battle of Legnica Silesian Piasts could potentially reconsolidate the kingdom and keep Silesia in Poland, which could mean weaker Teutonic Order, so the christianization of the Baltics and Lithuanian conquests go very differently, as well as without the rise of Kuyavian Piasts, Casimir III does not make a deal for his nephew Louis of Hungary to leave the kingdom to Louis's daughter Jadwiga which means no marriage to Jogaila, no Krewo Union and no Commonwealth.

    • @olivernagy1805
      @olivernagy1805 3 месяца назад +5

      Yeah Hungary's and Poland's history would be really different. We would both probably start to go east and conquer land there although a guaranteed side effect would be that the polish-hungarien friendship would break up as we would compete for influence there

  • @RedLuigi235
    @RedLuigi235 3 месяца назад +132

    Georgia is one of the greatest cultures that could have been. An immense shame and what would have been a powerful representative of a language family so unlike all others

    • @holakfun8243
      @holakfun8243 3 месяца назад +12

      I love Atlanta but yeez

    • @Cat_DeGaulle
      @Cat_DeGaulle 3 месяца назад +1

      Not you​@@holakfun8243

    • @benas_st
      @benas_st 2 месяца назад +2

      @@holakfun8243My guy, Atlantis is just a myth

    • @boganbane
      @boganbane 19 дней назад

      @@benas_st Atlanta, as in the capital of the US state Georgia, not the island myth started by Plato.

    • @benas_st
      @benas_st 17 дней назад

      @@boganbane I can remember why I said this, but it was intended as a said joke lol
      sorry for any confusion!

  • @thederpypikachu9873
    @thederpypikachu9873 3 месяца назад +166

    I do just want to point out the comment about the library of alexandria - we didnt really loose that much. It was already declining in its use and a lot of the information was in other libraries already. Yes it was awful to lose it, but its not nearly as devastating as its always made out to be

    • @abderrahmanesemar8609
      @abderrahmanesemar8609 3 месяца назад +3

      Thank you

    • @woahdude5553
      @woahdude5553 3 месяца назад +17

      he said that about baghdad too, apparently you weren't listening

    • @ButzPunk
      @ButzPunk 3 месяца назад +22

      premodernist has a great video debunking a lot of the mythology around the library of alexandria

    • @thederpypikachu9873
      @thederpypikachu9873 3 месяца назад +5

      @woahdude5553 and apparently you're rude. I specifically talked about the library of Alexandria because I know more about it, both tbe exaggerated history and the likely actual history

    • @Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel
      @Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel 3 месяца назад

      ​@@woahdude5553who came in your cornflakes? Chill, my gamer.

  • @thongdo9809
    @thongdo9809 3 месяца назад +53

    I should be note that the reason why Gheghis has so much descendant was mainly due to him lived 800 years ago and his linage split and spread across the world follow his death as the Empire was divided. Also the research that started the meme about Gheghis Khan is the ancestor of 5% of humanity was actually a research into a gene that came from Mongolia and spread across Asia. They manage to trace the origin back to the time frame around Ghenghis time and he as the most famous Mongolian common ancestor during that time.

    • @mimorisenpai8540
      @mimorisenpai8540 3 месяца назад +1

      And most of that dude actually descendants from Mongolian commoners

    • @bigsmonk2428
      @bigsmonk2428 2 месяца назад

      Can’t believe I had to scroll this far in the comments before finding someone to point this out

    • @thesquishedelf1301
      @thesquishedelf1301 2 месяца назад

      Yeah, Genghis was kinda famous among his men for not really being okay with adultery. His entire conquest began because man just wanted his wife back, he didn’t want nor need any side chicks.
      His kids and grandkids on the other hand… well they were a bit less salted earth, let’s put it that way

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 2 месяца назад +1

      Kings and generals has a video that shows that the common ancestor isn’t Chingis.

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion 3 месяца назад +261

    I guess this is the closest thing we can ever get about "What if Ymir Fritz left King Fritz gets assassinated" for sure.

    • @ElectrostatiCrow
      @ElectrostatiCrow 3 месяца назад +57

      A lot of headaches could have been avoided if Ymir just ate the guy and made herself queen.

    • @badart3204
      @badart3204 3 месяца назад +48

      @@ElectrostatiCrowsimping too hard to become a true girl boss

    • @mr.o8539
      @mr.o8539 3 месяца назад +7

      Rumbling! Rumbling! It is coming!

    • @deltap6967
      @deltap6967 3 месяца назад

      ​@@badart3204girlfailure

    • @tejuyon160
      @tejuyon160 3 месяца назад

      lol

  • @TheWhiteDragon3
    @TheWhiteDragon3 3 месяца назад +54

    I think the funniest thing about the Mongol rampage over Europe is that it wasn't even a proper campaign army. The empire was busy rampaging elsewhere, and Ghengis Khan wanted a scouting report on the lands in the West before a "proper" invasion, so he gave his best general Subutai three Tumen (30,000 men) and told him to go figure out what's out there and bring back whatever plunder they can. Turns out, it was states that had much smaller armies than they expected.

    • @moogiibat5845
      @moogiibat5845 3 месяца назад

      They were mostly chasing after the Cumans, they kinda dragged Russian, Hungary and Poland into this.

    • @adamnesico
      @adamnesico 2 месяца назад +2

      The rampage in Europe was after Chingis, and was a full mogol campaign with big numbers.

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 20 дней назад +4

      @@adamnesico He meant the 1220 great raid of Jebe and Subutai where they heavily defeated the Georgians, the Alans, the, Cumans, the Rus, and all other political entities along the way.

  • @FacterinoCommenterino
    @FacterinoCommenterino 3 месяца назад +520

    Today's Fact: The 'Green Children of Woolpit' legend from the 12th century involves the discovery of two children with green skin in a Suffolk village, with no clear explanation for their origins.

    • @Faehen
      @Faehen 3 месяца назад +40

      ​@@millioistaken go away illnes

    • @amhuman5138
      @amhuman5138 3 месяца назад +49

      Sounds like average Suffolk to be quite honest.

    • @whynot9873
      @whynot9873 3 месяца назад +1

      What up factorino. Weird seeing you on a non kripp vid

    • @gerbill13
      @gerbill13 3 месяца назад +2

      they came from Saint Martin's Land.

    • @thedarkholegammertdhg9255
      @thedarkholegammertdhg9255 3 месяца назад +3

      Roanoke Tales has a nice video on it

  • @gugfitufi4862
    @gugfitufi4862 3 месяца назад +58

    3:44 sure bro, I'll check *insert link* out

  • @DoritosAndMountainDew
    @DoritosAndMountainDew 3 месяца назад +17

    Fun fact: There's actually an alternate history timeline called the "Chaos Timeline" with this exact premise- Genghis Khan dies in 1200 after falling off his horse, and so, the Mongol Empire never comes to be. I'd recommend checking it out if you're interested!

    • @steveqi9309
      @steveqi9309 Месяц назад

      Where can I find this time line? Can’t exactly just google it considering the name is quite generic.

  • @chrish9698
    @chrish9698 3 месяца назад +19

    I feel that if you made one of these videos every week for an entire year you’d only have begun to scratch the surface of the ways in which Khan changed the world. Great video and fantastic research as always. This was a great topic and not to mention quite original as well.

  • @Sound557
    @Sound557 3 месяца назад +75

    That description of Zheng was top notch 👌

  • @imnotkiddinggg
    @imnotkiddinggg 3 месяца назад +49

    me rediscovering this channel and binging it the past 3 days payed off well

  • @moritamikamikara3879
    @moritamikamikara3879 3 месяца назад +192

    I think you're missing the point completely with regards to Japan.
    By the time the Yuan invasion of Japan happened, Japan was already too far gone down that road, Kublai just pushed them a little further down the road they were already going.
    At the time of the invasion, the Japanese government had split into two.
    It was what's now called the Kamakura period. After the Genpei war, the officially recognised Japanese government was still hanging around in Kyoto but they were so mired in bureacracy and ritual that they didn't really do a lot of ruling. Meanwhile the military shogunate ruled from the city of Kamakura.
    This was happening because of various clans squabbling over power, and when the Minamoto clan couldn't gain power over the imperial family, they created their own parallel royal family in Kamakura to give them power. After the founder of the Shogunate died, the Houjou clan tried to muscle in and declare themselves regent.
    You can see that this is rapidly spiralling out of control.
    No, Japan's slide towards militarism and isolationism was as a result of the feuding of Samurai clans, not outside influence.
    Also I think you're wrong with your assertion that the Mongols didn't end the Islamic golden age.
    Yes the Kingdoms of Islam were in a bad place anyway and would collapse, but I will maintain that had they done so, new ones would have risen and Islam would have recovered. What you got instead was a bunch of traumatised theocrats going "Oh god, if Allah can go into the console and type 'Spawn Mongol_horse_archer 100000' whenever we do something wrong, that means that there's nothing we can gain from the study of reality that Allah can just change"
    That severely stunted Islamic science. That is what ended the Islamic golden age.

    • @Knoloaify
      @Knoloaify 3 месяца назад +43

      This. I feel like in the Western world we tend to overestimate the impact of the Mongol Invasion of Japan. It did worsen the situation by creating more discontent among the samurai, but that was it. No Mongol invasion wouldn't have hurt the supremacy of the samurai, nor would it have made Japan more open (if anything, Japan was eager to trade with China, it's China that often closed itself to Japan).

    • @lukaswilhelm9290
      @lukaswilhelm9290 3 месяца назад +6

      Islamic golden age was already at its last years before Mongol invasion, with or without Mongol invasion the muslim world will staf the same just without Baghdad being destroyed 2 times.

    • @Idoexist._.
      @Idoexist._. 3 месяца назад +3

      Simmilar but a reverse was within the rus. During the decentralization, economy rapidly started growing, and cities started fracturing even more. Without genghis russia could be more prosperous

    • @s_rm_d8594
      @s_rm_d8594 3 месяца назад +3

      Its always funny seeing Westerner's talking about Islamic history. A subject that they have absolutely no knowledge about.

    • @moritamikamikara3879
      @moritamikamikara3879 3 месяца назад +10

      @@s_rm_d8594 Of course!
      Why it's impossible for a non Muslim to understand Islamic history!

  • @dr.veronica6155
    @dr.veronica6155 3 месяца назад +12

    So what you're saying is that several states were entering the Golden Age arc when the Mongols came in with a bunch of editorial changes and turned it into the Mongols Win vs Everyone arc instead.

    • @madmalkavian3857
      @madmalkavian3857 3 месяца назад +5

      This is something i notice a lot in history, your empire may be in it's golden age, but that's nothing compared to the sheer power of some horse farmers who really want your stuff.

  • @GottfriedAlexander
    @GottfriedAlexander 3 месяца назад +40

    I love his backstory reviews before he gets into the alternate timeline

  • @deltarno7502
    @deltarno7502 3 месяца назад +8

    5:24 Background baby certainly agrees about how significant this is. Good video, and hello background baby!

  • @Ya_Brotha_Bilo
    @Ya_Brotha_Bilo 3 месяца назад +5

    You have become on of my all time favorite channels thank you for the well made quality content

  • @MistahFox
    @MistahFox 3 месяца назад +19

    Kicking Genghis Kahn in the balls as a kid to see what would happen in the future is the most chaotic response to what would you do if you had a time machine

  • @lira1402
    @lira1402 3 месяца назад +13

    Fire vid as usual cody, keep up the great work 😊

  • @jackdaly8908
    @jackdaly8908 3 месяца назад +5

    This is amazing you should definitely make this into a mini series, with an episode dedicated for each of those regions that were heavily affected by the Mongols.

  • @fehervari98
    @fehervari98 3 месяца назад +2

    Wow, you went above and beyond with this vid! One of your best work so far!

  • @samminden1058
    @samminden1058 3 месяца назад +18

    6:46 The Song did have a huge military that was superbly armed and technologically probably the most advanced militaries in the world at the time and the Song government spent around 50% of their annual budget on the military. However the Song Government had a really fun little tendency to constantly shoot itself in the foot when it was doing well (see the story of Yue Fei, who was executed due to factional rivalries while he was allegedly on the verge of crushing the Jurchen Jin and driving them back) or alternatively order military expeditions at the worst possible times that ended in failure, due to its factionalism and general (not unfounded) distrust of the military. The Song's success in a world without the Mongols to become more like the Tang would be through a mix of diplomacy and military power, because while they had plenty of skill in both they were really bad at using them together and usually the diplomats and generals were at odds over how things should be done (again, see Yue Fei).

    • @rubaiyat300
      @rubaiyat300 3 месяца назад +7

      I do wonder if this era of China would finally get their act together if they managed to make it to the modern era. I doubt they kick off the Industrial Revolution but just don't collapse once again or barely hang on.

    • @samminden1058
      @samminden1058 3 месяца назад +8

      @@rubaiyat300 so the Song basically was going through something of an industrial revolution with an iron and steel production that would not be reached by another country again till the end of the 18th century and beginning of the 19th century in Britain. Plus it was also a time of great technological innovation and interest in the Sciences, so who knows- perhaps they could have become like Industrial Revolution era Britain but in the 13th-14th century?

    • @rubaiyat300
      @rubaiyat300 3 месяца назад

      Well there are hindrances to it and reasons it kicked off in Britain when it did, but definitely maybe. Really if China just doesn’t collapse every 2-3 hundred years i history would be different@@samminden1058

    • @davidk.d.7591
      @davidk.d.7591 3 месяца назад +4

      Yeah the Tang's fall was honestly the major reason why the Song became scared of the military. One one hand, their overly civilian government was a big part of their impressive family economic success, yet if they could've managed to actually use their military properly combined with their economic prowess and technological might, they have almost certainly dominated the Jin and the Mongols. They might have even industrialised and reformed the idea of a nation state. Heck, given the amount of freedom they allowed merchants, who knows if they could've formed capitalism. Ironic that a Chinese dynasty of a places could have potentially formed capitalism

    • @samminden1058
      @samminden1058 3 месяца назад +5

      @@davidk.d.7591 oh yeah the Song are one of the biggest What Could Have Been dynasties in Chinese History.

  • @conserva-chan2735
    @conserva-chan2735 3 месяца назад +16

    A vid on if the Sino-Soviet split never happened or was patched up in the 70s would be megakino

  • @ZontarDow
    @ZontarDow 3 месяца назад +17

    It's amazing how Khan had somewhere between 200 and 300 kids yet he has as many descendants today as Charlemagne who had 10.

    • @akai4942
      @akai4942 3 месяца назад +7

      Charlie has way more. Every single person of european heritage has a bit of him, and that includes people in the americas.

    • @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
      @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing 8 дней назад

      @@akai4942 I think it's taken on more mythical status than is true, both through folklore that doesn't condemn genocidal rapeslaving every 13 year old prisoner thrown at his feet, and the tendency of all things on the Internet to get Super Saiyan'd to not-really-mathematically-possible proportions. By sheer probability and period hygiene alone, STDs would have put a halt to that much dirty dog impregnatin'

  • @josephupchurch7138
    @josephupchurch7138 3 месяца назад +1

    It's amazing, Cody. In a twenty minute video, you caught me up on a chunk of World history my teacher glanced over when I was in high school, over twenty years ago. Thanks, man! 🤙

  • @lutomlinson1214
    @lutomlinson1214 3 месяца назад +2

    Really can’t believe I’ve been watching your channel for nearly 10 years, I discovered your channel when I was 12?! And now I’m 21, truly an insane journey thank you for the dope history content!

  • @HeroNotFound05
    @HeroNotFound05 3 месяца назад +8

    As someone with Georgian ancestry, would love to see a sequel to this about what if Georgia survived! I wholeheartedly support an individual video on each region hahaha!

  • @ElectrostatiCrow
    @ElectrostatiCrow 3 месяца назад +25

    Ghengis Khan was really the main character of the world. 😂

    • @Gwebb74
      @Gwebb74 3 месяца назад +5

      Just a player choosing an OP nation and trying to beat the game before other nations reached a better technology. I.e Atilla, Genghis

    • @davidk.d.7591
      @davidk.d.7591 3 месяца назад +4

      He was what made the nation OP though​@@Gwebb74

  • @crossfire7474
    @crossfire7474 3 месяца назад

    Your announcement on Discord surely is fun. And speaking of supporting you, I hope others will buy your book though.

  • @raininglogic
    @raininglogic 3 месяца назад

    Love the subtle Trogdor No step on me sign hanging in the background.

  • @texasred5665
    @texasred5665 3 месяца назад +93

    I don't think Caesar counts. The republic was incredibly dysfunctional already. Look at Sulla. Cicero even worried that no matter the outcome of the first civil war, rome would be left with a king in all but name.

    • @matthewlentz2894
      @matthewlentz2894 3 месяца назад +8

      No Ceasar, no Gallic Wars. So the Celts remain independent (?).

    • @RipOffProductionsLLC
      @RipOffProductionsLLC 3 месяца назад +26

      Sure, but Caesar did shift how and when the Republic's collapse happened.
      His name became a title for a reason.

    • @thespanishinquisition4078
      @thespanishinquisition4078 3 месяца назад

      ​@@matthewlentz2894The only thing that would change is the name of their conqueror.

    • @Wendeta-hq2cp
      @Wendeta-hq2cp 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@thespanishinquisition4078
      Yeah but the conquest would have taken longer. Britania might have never been slapped by Rome. Nor would Germania would have been as influenced.
      Christianity might have become more violent, like I$l@m was.

    • @thespanishinquisition4078
      @thespanishinquisition4078 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Wendeta-hq2cp I think you misunderstand just how long Rome lasted and how much manpower it had. Or just how quick the Gaelic campaign was.
      By comparison, Augustus spent a larger amount of time (10 years vs 7) and a larger pool of manpower finishing the conquest of Iberia by finally taking over the Cantabrians. And that campaign was just for what in the modern day is Asturias and Cantabria, as in 2 small provinces on Spain's northern coast. Those guys put more of a fight than the Gauls.
      Had Caesar not been there... Rome might've needed to send reinforcements I guess? It might have taken a couple extra years? Ok. They could easily over twice the soldiers they sent and were already used to longer campaigns. If anything the Gauls were abnormally easy to beat. No it wouldn't have affected the larger politics of Germania and Albion. At all.

  • @dominicadrean2160
    @dominicadrean2160 3 месяца назад +14

    I've been a subscriber for 10 years ever since I was 12 years old I'm 22 now😅 but I'm happy to see how far of you in your RUclips career😊

  • @MuricaFuckYeah69
    @MuricaFuckYeah69 3 месяца назад +6

    What if Genghis Khan't?

  • @jdlburg938
    @jdlburg938 3 месяца назад +1

    I've been waiting for a Mongol video. You did good with this, kid.

  • @historylover8139
    @historylover8139 3 месяца назад +96

    16:09 No.
    The Kievan Rus by this point was way more feudal than in say 900s. Different principalities were inherited by others, not conquered.
    Had the mongols not invaded, I could see the rus being fragmented for a while, just like the HRE, before eventually one principality reunites it thanks to great diplomacy.¨
    Also by 1206, there wasnt a strong Byzantium, so no, Byzantines wouldnt have influence on the rus.

    • @RedeemedPaladin
      @RedeemedPaladin 3 месяца назад +13

      1206 byzantine with mongols and without them are different places

    • @historylover8139
      @historylover8139 3 месяца назад +6

      @@RedeemedPaladinliterally no?

    • @Lord_Of_Aether
      @Lord_Of_Aether 3 месяца назад +6

      If they do unite without the Mongols, do you think they'll still conquer Siberia and the Caucasus? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, but I suspect that if it does happen, they'll be slowed down by much stronger khanates and tribes, with their main advantage being access to European technology (which may not hold up to the Chinese technology which will doubtlessly still make its way north).

    • @Ocelot835
      @Ocelot835 3 месяца назад +16

      @@Lord_Of_Aether They still will outnumber them and giving the existing threat from nomads the slow push will eventually happen. So if there won't be strong competitor in conquest of Siberia like China or someone new from Central Asia, I don't see reasons how Rus potentially can be stopped all together.

    • @pelinalwhitestrake3367
      @pelinalwhitestrake3367 3 месяца назад +10

      It's still in the realm of possibility for Siberia to be colonized by Russians, for the same reason most of the world was colonized by Europeans.

  • @michealsolas2735
    @michealsolas2735 3 месяца назад +5

    People go on and on about how disastrous the destruction of the Library of Alexandria was on scholarship, but when you consider that most of the books in the library were copied under order of Ptolmey and the copies were given to the owners (traders and anyone who came through Alexandria) and the originals were kept in the library (without the owners knowledge).
    So most of the books and scrolls there had copies circulating

  • @RatedRMario21
    @RatedRMario21 3 месяца назад +11

    "If you want to reshape the world, just be really good at horseback riding and shooting arrows." I feel there's a Legend of Zelda joke in there somewhere

  • @AnimatedWarMapper
    @AnimatedWarMapper 3 месяца назад

    Great content! Keep up the awesome work !

  • @vingaxoc6543
    @vingaxoc6543 3 месяца назад +5

    This video deserves a part 2

  • @kartersith
    @kartersith 3 месяца назад +3

    It’s funny I was just thinking it’s been a while since I watched one of your videos and I looked at your channel and saw you just posted one 😂😂😂

  • @TheGekkoman
    @TheGekkoman 3 месяца назад

    Cody you done good, good discord idea, very proud as another Cody to see a Cody doing good

  • @xanthespace5141
    @xanthespace5141 3 месяца назад

    This is neat, I like how to the point and concise you are in this video

  • @kevincronk7981
    @kevincronk7981 3 месяца назад +8

    Hungary already massively altered Europe (they raided literally everything everywhere and beat the HRE multiple times), and was continuing to rise in power until all of a sudden it just got yeeted and eventually ended up as a subject of the austrians, who hungary had previously conquered. I so would want a video about if that didn't happen.

    • @mimorisenpai8540
      @mimorisenpai8540 3 месяца назад

      Well magyar stop raid Europe because they got defeated by Frankish army and decided to settled and convert to Christianity

  • @nightowlmystic9387
    @nightowlmystic9387 3 месяца назад +10

    The biggest change without the mongols are being the native people conquered by them as many artifacts and paintings like white pottery from China and combining it with blue dye from Iran wouldn’t have existed. Simply these paintings and artifacts wouldn’t have been merged from different cultures. For the Mongols on their part, their only legacy was conquering and being a massive empire. The mongols never invented new technologies or written any books or try to spread their language. They simply conquered and assimilated.

    • @mimorisenpai8540
      @mimorisenpai8540 3 месяца назад

      And Chinese style painting will never spread to middle east not for mongol invasion

  • @JusticeMildenberg
    @JusticeMildenberg 3 месяца назад

    Really liking these long multipart/topic series'

  • @xXSCDTXx
    @xXSCDTXx 2 месяца назад

    I can say that I'd love to see a long format series on this.

  • @ortherner
    @ortherner 3 месяца назад +3

    You should definitely make a part 2

  • @____Carnage____
    @____Carnage____ 3 месяца назад +3

    The history of the Mongol empire is just so fascinating to me. Yeah it’s a lot of bloodshed and conquering but the influence they had and the way they did things was just so unique. When they invaded people it always sounds like an alien invasion.
    I saw another comment in a different video mention that their threats were akin to the “resistance is futile” message aliens would send.

  • @Wolfman6999
    @Wolfman6999 3 месяца назад +2

    It’s good to know that Cody and I both recently listened to Hardcore History’s Wrath of the Khans series.

  • @jennessacard4796
    @jennessacard4796 3 месяца назад

    This was such a great video ❤

  • @Kyle-qd2sy
    @Kyle-qd2sy 3 месяца назад +7

    Another interesting change. No Mongol Empire means no Tamerlane, no Tamerlane means possibly a large part of the Middle East and Central Asia remains Christian.
    For over a thousand years the Church of the East was spread across the Middle East, India, Central Asia and China. Tamerlane's brutal campaigns and the Black Death are seen as major causes for the collapse of the Church of the East. If the Mongol Empire had never been founded its not impossible a significant percentage of Asia would still follow the Church of the East instead of small remnant of Iraqi Assyrians and Indians in Kerala today.

    • @muhammadpasha313
      @muhammadpasha313 3 месяца назад

      Or another way it can be looked at is modern Iran would encompass modern countries up till Uzbekistan

    • @crzahmed9707
      @crzahmed9707 Месяц назад

      ​@@muhammadpasha313 Not really,unitedIran wouldn't even exist maybe ,the most likely outcome would be Iran would be in 3 main parts(Parthia in north, Faras(Persia) in south and Temugyan in the north(Tehran)

  • @danielwilliams4701
    @danielwilliams4701 3 месяца назад +32

    The Byzantine Empire refered to as Roman cosplayers is hilarious 11:24

    • @frfras7
      @frfras7 2 месяца назад +1

      Yes because it’s wrong

    • @frfras7
      @frfras7 2 месяца назад

      Eastern fucking Roman Empire to you American

    • @sergiowinter5383
      @sergiowinter5383 2 месяца назад +2

      Rum (not related wit pirates) is also very good

  • @Templarkommando
    @Templarkommando 3 месяца назад

    Great video! This is engagement. Also, sponsor is much good!

  • @Limubi1
    @Limubi1 3 месяца назад

    Excellent work, as ever

  • @monkeypie8701
    @monkeypie8701 3 месяца назад +3

    What if Harambe was never shot?

  • @tkelly6121
    @tkelly6121 3 месяца назад +3

    destruction of the library of alexandria is generally not considered that big a loss due to it being in such horrible decay by the time it was burnt and that the majority of its books were either commonplace in other libraries or decayed already.

  • @davidthompson5589
    @davidthompson5589 3 месяца назад

    thanks for the video

  • @LurkerintheLibrary
    @LurkerintheLibrary 2 месяца назад

    Dude, this stuff you wanna do sounds awesome, I would loooooove to do both discord WW3 and patreon

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 3 месяца назад +6

    Love your content! Thanks For this 😊😊😊❤!

  • @the_roman_emperor_fisheater
    @the_roman_emperor_fisheater 3 месяца назад +7

    nomad empires are like an update for stagnating empires

  • @MarcosGarcia-pj3pq
    @MarcosGarcia-pj3pq 3 месяца назад

    it’s always a good day when Cody posts. also glad i discovered how funny he is on X

  • @AMan-xz7tx
    @AMan-xz7tx 3 месяца назад +4

    The way I look at the "Great Man Theory" is that it is a misinterpretation of probability.
    There were a lot of "right place, right time" stories of heroes because those people had essentially won the lottery when it came to historical influence, if no one wins that lottery then the passage of time "prints more winning tickets and burns them all when the lottery is over".
    In that way you could say that historic events involving countless people are equivalent to everyone getting the "$5 prize" on their scratch ticket, meaning that it was already very likely and they had still won back double what they paid, but very few had been lucky enough to be remembered as individual figures even if the changes they made were of monumental significance.

  • @Fornacis69
    @Fornacis69 3 месяца назад +4

    You forgot about the Volga bulgars who were wiped from existence by Genghis and the cumans who were forced to flee the steppes but great video 👍

  • @ThatVideoGameFail
    @ThatVideoGameFail 3 месяца назад +1

    I hope you do a second part of this as I think covering the lack of both the Mongol Empire and subsequently Timur and how that would alter the fate of the Church of the East, would be very interesting.

  • @Fenrisson
    @Fenrisson 3 месяца назад +2

    21:10 - Ooowwnnn... Thanks, mate!

  • @MasterTangerines
    @MasterTangerines 3 месяца назад +9

    I've really noticed how much your history skills have improved over the years. Your perspectives and analysis are much more informed now and you still manage to make it entertaining. I really appreciated how you managed to throw in some lessons about how history is viewed and formed in this as well that a lot of people who don't study it at a college level never get taught. It's just really refreshing to see a very responsible and informed historian present history because there's too many people spreading conspiracies and nonsense nowadays.

  • @AlexTonar
    @AlexTonar 3 месяца назад +36

    LING LIVE KHAN (please come to Australia)

  • @zaneron8391
    @zaneron8391 3 месяца назад +2

    I enjoyed this video, although I want to point out that a lot more about Genghis Kahn and his empire was left out, that's understandable considering the topic of the video. For anyone interested in Ghengis Kahn, his history and kingdom itself, check out Extra history. As for the rest, it would be real interesting to see how other potential countries could have done without the great filter that's Temujin.

  • @Saladrex999
    @Saladrex999 3 месяца назад

    Excellent video!!!!

  • @MsRmart999
    @MsRmart999 3 месяца назад +3

    You being part Canadian makes so much sense, that's why you look like the Canadian guys from South Park

  • @Markomilic205
    @Markomilic205 3 месяца назад +5

    13:50 The only Norse people in Russia were members of the ruling dynasty but only in name. The rest of the people were Slavs.

  • @alehaim
    @alehaim 3 месяца назад +2

    I'd love to see a continuation video

  • @CountDVB
    @CountDVB 3 месяца назад +2

    Extra History did a fascinating series on him a while back :D

  • @Spongebrain97
    @Spongebrain97 3 месяца назад +6

    7:50 kinda reminds me of what happens to Paradi at the end of AOT. Isolationism and a rise of militarism after the outside world wanted to attack them

  • @Metamarble
    @Metamarble 3 месяца назад +4

    If anything this video may be an understatement. I believe there are good arguments that the damage the Mongols caused opened the door to the rise of Western European hegemony in the long term.

    • @francogiobbimontesanti3826
      @francogiobbimontesanti3826 3 месяца назад +2

      Song dynasty was in the early stages of industrialisation back in the 1100s if they expelled the Jin, China would go right back into a golden age. Arguably the mongols set the world back 600 years or so.

    • @ptolemythefirst4621
      @ptolemythefirst4621 3 месяца назад

      Nah it was long in the making, even without the Mongols Western Europe would flourish and be in a better position (depending on the black death's effects upon the region) and the Islamic world is still going to enter into decline no matter what happens, the Abbasids are still getting destroyed by other nomadic conquerors, Persians, etc.. and by the mid 1200s it was in fact prospering in every aspect - politically, economically, culturally, scientifically, demographically. I think we would still see a Western-dominated world but with far stronger nations in regions like Eastern Europe, East Asia, the Middle East (really depends), etc..

  • @redinthesky1
    @redinthesky1 3 месяца назад

    This is fascinating, but when are you going to do another Pointlesshub series ? There are so many movie and tv series, and any of them would be glorious to hear about from Cody.

  • @Zelein
    @Zelein 3 месяца назад

    Listening to you talk about how you made videos for nearly a decade now while showing the Roman Empire videos made me think:
    "Haha, oh hey I remember those! I watched those when they first came out. It hasn't... It hasn't been a decade, right?"
    Appreciate you Cody. Even if you make me feel really, really... really old.

  • @criamarshall1493
    @criamarshall1493 3 месяца назад +3

    You should make a video about the finno korean hyperwar codey.

  • @Farchon
    @Farchon 3 месяца назад +6

    My man forgot about South east asia and the Malaccan Strait shenanigans with Majapahit.

  • @DJvvAZZ
    @DJvvAZZ 3 месяца назад

    I really love your videos here... Teaching history via non history... Good job 👍

  • @Mathguy363
    @Mathguy363 3 месяца назад +3

    The butterfly effect is pretty real in this scenario