On my Sanford grinder the shaft for traversing the table had the same needle bearings, and I just put grease on the outer race and put the needle bearings back in and put the shaft through the bearings. And on the saddle lead screw it has ball bearings in place on the ends by the wheel.
That was one filthy machine! I'll admit I would have persevered in trying to rescue it too, good on you! My SG arrived in a cleaner state but as an incomplete kit of parts, so I had to make new shafts etc. Which brings me to that needle roller bearing, I would just replace it with a sleeve of bearing bronze and keep it oiled. It looks like the housing is quite long so there's room for a good length bushing. Thats what the table feed shaft on mine uses. When (not if!) you get it running, you'll quickly discover that these manual machines are hard work and you'll wish you had power feed to the table!
I really need to get a feel of the overall condition first before I make any decisions on repairs. I have so many projects in the shop, if I can just clean and regrease them, I may leave them for a while.
Don't worry about the condition of the grinder you have. I have bought 6 surface grinders, 1 cylindrical grinder, 1 broach grinder and 1 Jig grinder at auctions over the last 8 years and yours looks about average condition. The time and effort it would take for you to find a good deal on one that is in really good condition is as much or more than the effort to recondition the one you have. All most all of them are filthy and could use a new screw and a bit of hand scraping.
That has been my experience, too, with other machines. I am fully prepared to trade some sweat equity for cash. Maybe someday I can afford to buy a ready-to-go machine, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
@@MyLilMule I agree with Tim 100%.... What I'm seeing is about average and will probably be good enough for the girls you go out with! lol Mine was just as dirty as yours when I rescued it. I did find original flaking on most areas so I kinda lucked out in that respect. Mine came with an automatic oiling system, after some new wiring and a VFD stuffed in the cabinet, I was up and running. Going to single phase was not an option for me. Sure am glad the chinese make cheap VFDs...
This video confirms the wisdom of my decision to just sell the mystery Boyar Schultz 612 that I was "going to get around to one of these days" for the last 6 or so years 😂
Well, to be fair, none of my machines are here to make me any money. If I had a shop like yours, I doubt I would even own the thing, or any surface grinder for that matter. LOL!
Watching you brings back memories of the Boyar Schultz I bought. Just as filthy. My ways ended up being horrible and there was no precision in it. Hopefully yours is better once you start checking everything.
@@MyLilMule Hah. Yeah got lucky. After I got rid of the Boyar Schultz I decided to spend the extra money and buy nearly new. Scored that Harig and couldn't be more pleased with it.
One unanswered question that I have about these Sanfords is the lubrication for the needle bearings. It is possible that they are sealed for life, though the provisions included to keep dust out seem minimal, even for this era. Do you see evidence of grease? Or is it possible that one of the oilers supplies this area?
I couldn't find any oil passages to the needle bearings. I assumed it was just greased that would be expected to last for many years. Everything needs to be maintained to some degree. This thing probably didn't see much of any.
Had the same surface grinder in the same shape. Everything was completely worn out. In the end i scapped it. Yeah, it could be brought back, but at a very high cost in labor. Remember the specs are in the low tenths!
For me, my time isn't so much money, but opportunity cost - what else could I be doing that I would rather be doing - so the cost of labor really doesn't factor in unless I am paying someone else. I agree, though, that if I was using my shop as a primary or secondary source of income, I would probably scrap it and get something in better shop, or quite possibly, nothing else at all. Thanks for watching!
In my experience there is never a shortage of people who will tell you why you shouldn't do something like this. The visionaries are the ones who can look at a piece of junk and see what it can be.
Looking good. I find it very interesting the differences between my Harig and your Sanford. Regarding the electric, can you access it from underneath the grinder? Mine is exposed on the bottom side of the casting. One nice thing on my Harig is that there is still visible scraping on the ways, probably due to the constantly recycling oil lubrication system. But it was pretty much in the same extremely dirty condition. I guess I better step up my game and get mine done, you're probably already ahead of me by now... 🙂
Don't be discouraged because of me. I should have looked at it closer and did my homework. I might have been able to find something that at least took a standard pitch screw.
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I'm sure you will turn it in to a master piece, just like you always do.
I don't know if I would go that far! I hope it can be usable.
I"M sure it will be ok dosen"t look that bad right now Good Job keep it up
I wish I shared your optimism. LOL! Thanks.
On my Sanford grinder the shaft for traversing the table had the same needle bearings, and I just put grease on the outer race and put the needle bearings back in and put the shaft through the bearings. And on the saddle lead screw it has ball bearings in place on the ends by the wheel.
Interesting about the ball bearings. I don't think I am going to dismantle the handwheel of the saddle. I'm too afraid of what I might find there!
That was one filthy machine! I'll admit I would have persevered in trying to rescue it too, good on you!
My SG arrived in a cleaner state but as an incomplete kit of parts, so I had to make new shafts etc. Which brings me to that needle roller bearing, I would just replace it with a sleeve of bearing bronze and keep it oiled. It looks like the housing is quite long so there's room for a good length bushing. Thats what the table feed shaft on mine uses.
When (not if!) you get it running, you'll quickly discover that these manual machines are hard work and you'll wish you had power feed to the table!
I really need to get a feel of the overall condition first before I make any decisions on repairs. I have so many projects in the shop, if I can just clean and regrease them, I may leave them for a while.
Don't worry about the condition of the grinder you have. I have bought 6 surface grinders, 1 cylindrical grinder, 1 broach grinder and 1 Jig grinder at auctions over the last 8 years and yours looks about average condition. The time and effort it would take for you to find a good deal on one that is in really good condition is as much or more than the effort to recondition the one you have. All most all of them are filthy and could use a new screw and a bit of hand scraping.
That has been my experience, too, with other machines. I am fully prepared to trade some sweat equity for cash. Maybe someday I can afford to buy a ready-to-go machine, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
@@MyLilMule I agree with Tim 100%.... What I'm seeing is about average and will probably be good enough for the girls you go out with! lol Mine was just as dirty as yours when I rescued it. I did find original flaking on most areas so I kinda lucked out in that respect. Mine came with an automatic oiling system, after some new wiring and a VFD stuffed in the cabinet, I was up and running. Going to single phase was not an option for me. Sure am glad the chinese make cheap VFDs...
Nice job
Thanks!
This video confirms the wisdom of my decision to just sell the mystery Boyar Schultz 612 that I was "going to get around to one of these days" for the last 6 or so years 😂
Well, to be fair, none of my machines are here to make me any money. If I had a shop like yours, I doubt I would even own the thing, or any surface grinder for that matter. LOL!
Carry on Good Luck to you
Thanks!
@@MyLilMule You are very welcome
Watching you brings back memories of the Boyar Schultz I bought. Just as filthy. My ways ended up being horrible and there was no precision in it. Hopefully yours is better once you start checking everything.
That surface grinder that you have in the shop now was pristine, IIRC. Trade ya! 😉
@@MyLilMule Hah. Yeah got lucky. After I got rid of the Boyar Schultz I decided to spend the extra money and buy nearly new. Scored that Harig and couldn't be more pleased with it.
Are the screw and nut also badly worn or is this pair in better shape?
Pretty much the same. Worn in the middle.
One unanswered question that I have about these Sanfords is the lubrication for the needle bearings. It is possible that they are sealed for life, though the provisions included to keep dust out seem minimal, even for this era. Do you see evidence of grease? Or is it possible that one of the oilers supplies this area?
I couldn't find any oil passages to the needle bearings. I assumed it was just greased that would be expected to last for many years. Everything needs to be maintained to some degree. This thing probably didn't see much of any.
That grinder looks great. A project yes, but I’m sure you will make it work.
I hope so!
Had the same surface grinder in the same shape. Everything was completely worn out. In the end i scapped it. Yeah, it could be brought back, but at a very high cost in labor. Remember the specs are in the low tenths!
For me, my time isn't so much money, but opportunity cost - what else could I be doing that I would rather be doing - so the cost of labor really doesn't factor in unless I am paying someone else. I agree, though, that if I was using my shop as a primary or secondary source of income, I would probably scrap it and get something in better shop, or quite possibly, nothing else at all. Thanks for watching!
In my experience there is never a shortage of people who will tell you why you shouldn't do something like this. The visionaries are the ones who can look at a piece of junk and see what it can be.
Absolute truth, here!
That is one dirty machine.
I hope it's worth all the trouble.
Looking good. I find it very interesting the differences between my Harig and your Sanford. Regarding the electric, can you access it from underneath the grinder? Mine is exposed on the bottom side of the casting. One nice thing on my Harig is that there is still visible scraping on the ways, probably due to the constantly recycling oil lubrication system. But it was pretty much in the same extremely dirty condition. I guess I better step up my game and get mine done, you're probably already ahead of me by now... 🙂
I might be able to, but with it on the base, it might be more difficult.
If you're within about 6 to 8 hours of Houston, I'll come get it as-is.
Thanks, but I am in Ohio, but I am not quite ready to throw in the towel.
"Am I insane???" hmmmmmmm let me check, signs point to yes..
😂 That's what MY magic 8-ball told me, too!
you got me completely turned off of buying a cheap surface grinder, they come up often.
Don't be discouraged because of me. I should have looked at it closer and did my homework. I might have been able to find something that at least took a standard pitch screw.
Try vinegar worked it is amazing stuff and cheap
Well the first little bit of hard work it's junk. If one does not what to get dirty maybe new is the way to go.