5 Poetry Mistakes that Beginner Writers Make

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  • Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024

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  • @seymagurbuz2066
    @seymagurbuz2066 Месяц назад

    please never remove this video from youtube. i'll keep returning to it to remind myself what makes a good poetry throughout my writing journey, lol :)

  • @allchyss
    @allchyss 9 месяцев назад +8

    ur setup is very cute. i just listened to some of your songs and ohmygod, they are so good!!

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you so much! I really appreciate it :)

  • @toddjacksonpoetry
    @toddjacksonpoetry 9 месяцев назад +21

    Point 3, Cohesion. This is the "kill your darlings" moment. I'm writing something now, and have this clever analogy hanging around in my head...but I just can't make it fit the whole poem. (sigh)

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  9 месяцев назад +7

      Hmm...
      If the parts are related, but don't quite work together in a single poem, maybe you could break it into a set of 2 or more poems, (an example that comes to mind is T.S. Eliot's Preludes). I do see poem sets quite often in contemporary literary journals, so it is still common. That would maybe require you to also further develop the analogy so that the parts are still related in some way, and may even deepen the reading to another dimension of interpretation.
      Otherwise, yeah, sometimes we just have to kill our darlings :C
      ahaha, anyways, good luck with whatever you decide!

  • @Laughingwithtravii
    @Laughingwithtravii 6 месяцев назад +5

    this was very interesting, fun, and educational, thank you! i wrote this years ago, its still the first draft really, but i thought itd be fun to apply the tips from this to this piece. im just a hobby writer, and i dont write much anymore, but ill always love writing, and the safety it allowed me to have.
    when the idea of me started to take root
    did you think about tilling the earth
    removing the weeds
    could you even fathom the amount of work
    you would have to put into this garden
    i started to sprout and everything was new
    the sunshine the warmth
    the rain
    your blood sweat and tears all a culmination
    to help me grow
    you stood over me and i grew
    and grew outside of your shadow
    i became unruly and wild
    i wasnt the garden you had planned
    did that make me any less beautiful to you?
    it must have
    you left me to grow
    alone
    my roots sprawled to places i didn’t know existed
    my limbs reached towards the sunlight
    and here i remain, a completely different idea rooted
    but never fully realized
    because there’s always room for growth
    you taught me that
    so on first reread id prob change "and grew outside of your shadow" to "and grew outside your shadow" i think that flows a lil better. i think id remove "it must have" completely as well. its probably still one of my favorites ive ever written. it is very much a vent piece, and i think it captures multiple struggles youth may have with parents for whatever reason. to me, the point of this piece isnt so much the struggle, but how that struggle changes us, shows us we can be better, especially when you have examples of what not to do. anywho, thanks so much again for this vid. defo new sub.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад +2

      Woah, I'm glad that you were able to use my tips to reflect on your writing! Thank you for sharing your poetry and a bit about your relationship with writing.
      This isn't a for sure plan, but I've considered doing a livestream where I critique poetry pieces, so if I do that, I'll remember this piece and let you know. :)
      Thanks for being here, seeya!

  • @dancingdruid7932
    @dancingdruid7932 6 месяцев назад +4

    Wow, super useful video - I'm going to have all my poetry students watch this. Plus, I love how down to earth you are!

  • @michaelaesparza5804
    @michaelaesparza5804 5 месяцев назад +3

    I'm taking a creative writing class for fun now and poetry is the current topic. I am having such a hard time (50 year old engineer, last writing class 1994) coming up with a good poem. This should help!

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад +1

      Oh wow, I'm glad that this video will be able to help you out, that's awesome!

  • @ikelewis678
    @ikelewis678 9 месяцев назад +3

    Really love this -- thanks so much for making it. It baffles me how hard it is to find technical, craft-based poetics stuff on here.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  9 месяцев назад

      I’m glad to hear you enjoyed the video! Thanks for sharing what you liked about it, that really helps me know what to keep in mind for future videos.

  • @4thace
    @4thace 5 месяцев назад +3

    I think your criticisms of flaws in beginner work is on target and I hope to use them as guides in the important stage of revising a poem. (I have written poetry and had a number of pieces published.)

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад +1

      Wow, that’s great! I’m glad these points can be of use to you in your creative process. Best of luck with your revisions!

  • @Bargadiel
    @Bargadiel 6 месяцев назад +3

    I feel like many of these points are so universal to good writing and it's sad how many writers for major entertainment industries either fail to hit these basic marks, or are told not to due to corporate and management influence.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад +1

      I agree, it can be quite disheartening.

  • @weallliveintrees
    @weallliveintrees 6 месяцев назад +2

    What an interesting, articulate and thoughtful essay. As a beginning poet of about a year, (or at least beginning to take the art form seriously), I have found much to reflect upon. Thank you.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад +1

      It's great to hear you found this video useful--thank you for telling me. Good luck with your creative ventures!

  • @miniyodadude6604
    @miniyodadude6604 7 месяцев назад +2

    This has been incredibly helpful, a lot of these concepts i knew, but its how they applied to my mistakes that really helped things click.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  7 месяцев назад

      That's awesome to hear, I'm glad you found the information useful!

  • @LeticiaAlaniz
    @LeticiaAlaniz 6 месяцев назад +2

    I like all of your pointers. Thank you for this video. I'm watching this again out of the pure pleasure of learning.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад +1

      Aw, that's so kind of you! I'm glad that you're able to get something out of my video!

  • @thesoundsofearth4454
    @thesoundsofearth4454 5 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you! I’ve been writing poetry since I was a child. I found one of my old poetry notebooks from when I was 12 years old and reading through there’s a lot of promising lyric quality and creativity but it’s so… cringe. Definitely due to these points! I only wrote first drafts until I took a poetry class in college and learned about the revision process. Just the notes on replacing adjectives with imagery leveled up my poetry immensely. I’m wanting to do a masters program in poetry to help refine my skills more!

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад

      I'm glad that my video has been helpful for your revision process! It’s always fun to find old poetry. A masters program in poetry would be neat to pursue!

  • @elainereynolds4408
    @elainereynolds4408 4 месяца назад +2

    You've covered so many points and this is so well articulated, thank you very much

  • @Thisisjefftaylor
    @Thisisjefftaylor 3 месяца назад

    This is one of the few writing tip videos I’ve watched on RUclips that actually provides worthwhile poetry writing tips. Thanks for making this video.

  • @lukedmoss
    @lukedmoss 9 месяцев назад +6

    Thank you for sharing! This is great information, and you organized/articulated it quite well.

  • @euggiemonad2523
    @euggiemonad2523 5 месяцев назад +1

    Watched this whole wonderful video from the point of view of a stand-up comic who makes some of these mistakes, who wants to sound authentic with a porpoise and a vision that others can relate to

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад

      Woah, that's so cool! I'm glad you found a way to apply these tips to writing your stand-up routine, best of luck~

  • @melaniecossey1508
    @melaniecossey1508 4 месяца назад +1

    Really wonderful thoughts and concepts to ponder.

  • @josestelle250
    @josestelle250 4 месяца назад +2

    Wonderful explanations.

  • @AndHeShallReignForeverAndEver
    @AndHeShallReignForeverAndEver 5 месяцев назад

    It’s interpretive space that sometimes is tough for me! Working on an Arthurian cycle that I want to stand more as a larger metaphor for our current cultural moment. This was an excellent reminder!

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад

      Oh, that sounds like a really interesting project!

  • @diedepraveddeepred
    @diedepraveddeepred 6 месяцев назад +1

    I've been writing since i was five and this is such an excellent video, i wholeheartedly agree with every point made and while watching this I could sometimes predict what you were going to say next due to the affinity of our ideas. It includes the most of the things that i'd say to any beginner! This is just a RUclips video so i won't dwell too much into it, but i just wanted to tell you how much i appreciated this :))
    PS: sorry if my english is not so good, my first language is italian

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад

      Hey, it's great to hear that this video resonated with you! I've been writing poetry since childhood too. :)
      Take care!

    • @Erime
      @Erime 6 месяцев назад

      Haven't we all 🤓

  • @ValQuinn
    @ValQuinn Месяц назад +1

    You missed one of the most important things: read lots of poetry! I think a lot of beginners (me, lol) at first are drawn to the expression of one's thoughts. All well and good, but if you want to make the transition from diary entry to art you've got to learn how to shamelessly steal techniques from everyone else lol

  • @patrickistruck
    @patrickistruck 4 месяца назад +1

    wrote a long comment but accidentally deleted it, oops. liked the video, been writing for a few years and i tend to write poetry as a coping mechanism / expression of emotion. made me consider the reader's perspective more as i usually only show my poetry to a few close friends. the video was a good refresher of the basics. i also still struggle with with the fact that not all the art i make will be good, haha.
    side note: i agree with the commenter that said that adding examples would be beneficial. i would also like to say that from a design perspective as well as personal one, the white chapter headings are a bit difficult to read. (a suggestion, if you would like, is to either darken the background or add an outline around the text) overall, i enjoyed the video and the amount of effort put into making it. subscribed! :3

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  4 месяца назад +1

      ah, I'm glad that you were able to get some value out of the video. Thank you for being here, and also letting me know your thoughts on how I can improve my videos! Take care~

  • @jmealy8163
    @jmealy8163 4 месяца назад +1

    The video is helpful, thank you! And the music sounds beautiful too.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  4 месяца назад

      Glad you found this video helpful, and thank you for your kind words!

  • @pawsonalpetcare
    @pawsonalpetcare 7 месяцев назад +1

    New subscriber here. Great advice and I love the aesthetics. If I can make a suggestion, I think examples of poems that make the mistakes and ones that avoid them would be super helpful.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  7 месяцев назад

      I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you for the great suggestion, take care!

  • @vinzaux
    @vinzaux 5 месяцев назад

    hi, i just wanted to tell you how amazing this video is, i can really see all the love that you put on your channel, poetry and music. you really inspire me to create something beautiful and truthful, and that's amazing, thank you!

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад +1

      Aw, that's really wonderful! I'm so happy that my work can inspire you to create, there truly is no better compliment to hear than that~

  • @AzfarMustafiz
    @AzfarMustafiz 5 месяцев назад

    As a English major student struggling understanding Poetry to writing my own.. Helpful video keep it uppp❤

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад

      I'm glad that you find this video helpful!

  • @ocdtdc
    @ocdtdc 9 месяцев назад +1

    I really appreciate this advice/perspective! Very helpful.

  • @GrahamLindsay13
    @GrahamLindsay13 6 месяцев назад +1

    ... thank you - Scottish for sure - r, and ch - got a Stroke but talk now after almost 2 years - poetry back then, poetry once more ...

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад

      wow, I can’t imagine the hardship and heartbreak of losing the ability to talk for 2 years. But you kept going-you didn’t give up! Thank goodness that after all that time, you can talk again, it’s truly a blessing.
      Thank you for being here, and sharing a bit about your life.

    • @GrahamLindsay13
      @GrahamLindsay13 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@ElisabethElmore- it is surreal - started alphabet, then Verbs, your film for 7 minutes takes me 3 hours, going back and over, back and over - it is complitated, but also cathartic, so, again, thank you.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад

      I'm so glad you're able to use this video to your advantage. Take care!~

  • @patrickjohnson9879
    @patrickjohnson9879 5 месяцев назад +7

    I strongly disagree with putting common themes under the category of cliché. A cliché is saying something in a way that’s been said before- not a theme that’s been addressed before. There are lots of successful, modern love poems- to disregard the majority is “cringe” simply for their subject matter is reductive.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад +5

      A cliché is any overused expression or idea-- in which case, I do believe that themes can be cliché if they aren't approached in an interesting or new way. I wasn't saying those universal themes can't be written about, but rather that you have to approach them with freshness in order to not be boring. Hope that clears up the confusion.

  • @dillonhusemann4961
    @dillonhusemann4961 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for the thorough video.
    As someone who has made all five mistakes you go over in depth
    How do you feel about workshoping and the communitive aspect of poetry? I see a lot of benefits for getting feedback on writing especially for beginners to get a feel for the necessary language of the craft. Curious to know your perspective.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  4 месяца назад +1

      My pleasure! Hmm, I have been apart of workshops attached to classes and courses, and I think they are wonderful for beginning writers. It’s really a fast way to see how others experience your poetry, and if you are expressing yourself in the intended way. In my experience, others help you to see your weaknesses, and you’re able to solidify what you want to do with your writing.
      You just have to be able to gracefully take and give criticism, because writing is about sincerely expressing intimate emotions, thoughts, and ideas.

  • @lovermari1
    @lovermari1 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you! I have been getting into poetry and this helps so much💗

  • @alexandrabeukers9316
    @alexandrabeukers9316 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this video - really detailed look at what makes a poem tick! Looking to create my first collection, and the questions after each mistake will be a good rule of thumb as I write/edit :)

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад

      Oh my goodness! Congrats on starting your first collection, that's so exciting!! Good luck with the process :)

  • @rogueone8194
    @rogueone8194 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! I'll be using these tips :)

  • @philipmcluskey6805
    @philipmcluskey6805 8 месяцев назад +1

    you are amazing...and i love your videos posts

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  8 месяцев назад

      I'm glad that you see value in my videos!

  • @patrickjohnson9879
    @patrickjohnson9879 5 месяцев назад +4

    This video would have benefited from examples from successful and unsuccessful poems for each of the five mistakes described.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад +2

      Thank you, I'll keep that in mind for future videos.

  • @theazuresparrow
    @theazuresparrow 5 месяцев назад

    Elisabeth..i'm young poet from Russia, and i can't understand your poetry and your informative videos(poetry in first) so well like i want to understand it... Because it hurt me by some kind of beauty, it is one of some things that motivate my to learn English(sorry, i think now it's can be funny). Things you doing and your words help me feel myself not so lonely, somthing like that....like someone else in whole world work with this problems, try to make something beautiful and unbreakable, like Rumi and i
    Anyway, i can subscribe, maybe, it can help someone who understand it better to find it

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад

      Hello, wow, it’s so wonderful to hear from you! I’m grateful that you find value in my videos, and that my work can reach a part of you, despite the language barrier. I think it’s great that you are motivated to learn English. To hear that my words provide comfort to you, and makes you feel less alone, encourages me to keep going as well. Thank you for being here!

  • @marianosetula5666
    @marianosetula5666 5 месяцев назад

    this is a pretty beautiful and helpful video, im gonna watch it again when im writing (im trying to learn to write songs lol) thank you for your work. also you are cute :)

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад

      I'm glad you found this video helpful, good luck with songwriting!

  • @SeanODell816
    @SeanODell816 5 месяцев назад

    This was very helpful. Thank you.

  • @rboyd3435
    @rboyd3435 6 месяцев назад

    Great info. Just bought your poetry book on Etsy.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  6 месяцев назад

      Thank you so much, that's greatly appreciated!

  • @BladeStar420
    @BladeStar420 9 месяцев назад +5

    Time traveler alert

  • @Enthusiasticallydawn
    @Enthusiasticallydawn 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much!

  • @songtogalatea
    @songtogalatea 4 месяца назад

    i write song lyrics so im guilty of all these but maybe i have a pass? lol either way im gonna take this vid to heart because the way u describe writing here makes me rly excited to take mine to the next level :)

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  4 месяца назад

      Ah, yes, there will be a little difference between the two. Nevertheless, I'm glad to hear this video has encouraged you to improve your craft, best of luck on future song writing!

    • @Hurlburton
      @Hurlburton 4 месяца назад

      Seen it Covered a lot good points It's one of those videos I will have to look at many more times Its that good Very good job thank you for the download and all your hard work

  • @johnnyrighteous
    @johnnyrighteous 9 месяцев назад

    can you make a video explaining how to get out of writers block? would love to hear your insight

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  9 месяцев назад

      Sure, I can talk about writer's block. I have some video's planned yet, so it will be out in about two weeks.

  • @adchsaar
    @adchsaar 5 месяцев назад

    a gem

  • @rievans57
    @rievans57 4 месяца назад

    Interesting.

  • @michaelgriffith7033
    @michaelgriffith7033 4 месяца назад

    Hello. VERY helpful video, but the background music is terribly distracting, as it's at times almost as loud as you are, Elizabeth.

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  4 месяца назад +1

      Glad you found the video helpful, and thank you for the feedback about audio.

  • @AndHeShallReignForeverAndEver
    @AndHeShallReignForeverAndEver 5 месяцев назад

    Are you open to proofreading poetry for tips? lol because I’m honestly looking for some real feedback

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  5 месяцев назад +2

      Sure, I would be willing to give you some feedback on 1-2 poems if you would like! You can send your work to me via email: elisabethelmorebusiness at gmail
      I can give you notes within 2 weeks of receiving your writing.

    • @spider2666
      @spider2666 4 месяца назад

      @@ElisabethElmore That is a generous and impressive offer (be prepared for slush! 🙂)

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  4 месяца назад

      ​@@spider2666 Please, for your own sake, find something of more value to fill your time with than being mean-spirited to strangers on the internet.

  • @daigreatcoat44
    @daigreatcoat44 Месяц назад

    Clearly you don't trust language to make its points unaided - hence the intrusive music.

  • @Hurlburton
    @Hurlburton 4 месяца назад +1

    Stupid me Did it again Put the reply in the wrong place Search the other replys I gave you a good review

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  4 месяца назад

      ahaha, it's all good! Thank you for the support~

  • @agustinamansur5665
    @agustinamansur5665 4 месяца назад +1

    The butterfly of orange wings
    lives in a leafy garden
    full of colourful flowers
    with bushes in every corner.
    She just decided to enjoy the sun
    and there forever she stayed.

  • @athiefinthenight6894
    @athiefinthenight6894 5 месяцев назад

    Your room is pretty sick

  • @thebrickccentric3728
    @thebrickccentric3728 5 месяцев назад +2

    Your script is too long---
    Cut out that flow'ry vocab---
    Otherwise, great work.

  • @spider2666
    @spider2666 4 месяца назад

    Honestly this is so much word salad. I can see what you are trying to do, and it's worth doing, but sorry, just doesn't work for me. Some examples - from others' poems, and from your own to show how YOU deal with the points you make - would help,
    And what is it with this interest in tiresome, off-putting background music on You Tube videos?

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  4 месяца назад +4

      I agree, I could be more concise in the future, but overall, I'm just a verbose person. This is how I think, and how I wrote my script. I provided questions instead of examples because I want people to critically think about their writing instead of me spoonfeeding them.
      Also, the music is from my folk album.

  • @whatup6350
    @whatup6350 9 месяцев назад +1

    Sush, Suki Singibus...ruclips.net/video/G0d0rsW9p3I/видео.html

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  9 месяцев назад +2

      Hmm, I don’t know what that means.
      Also, I prefer Zappa
      m.ruclips.net/video/qi37ziNab_g/видео.html&pp=ygUVQ2hlbmdhcyByZXZlbmdlIHphcHBh

    • @whatup6350
      @whatup6350 9 месяцев назад

      @@ElisabethElmore Wow...that was certainly beautiful as well as trippy ( original, unexpected ). I may have to jump down that rabbit hole.
      Zappa happened to be school friends with Don Van Vliet ( Captain Beefheart ) , and they influenced each other in various ways. Here is six minutes of Frank discussing this. ruclips.net/video/abifZoAgzB4/видео.html
      "Hmm, I don't know what that means."
      Surprise, neither do I. Or maybe, it's a jab at prose, commentary, and explanations , in general. AND...mid-way into their set that aired on German ( ? ) TV we get a shift in proportion between the typical heavy emphasis on music with lyrics thrown in , almost as an after-thought , to a full-on reading, recital, what have you, with musical embellishments. The song is "Golden Birdies" at minute 7:06 which I thought you might find interesting.
      Also, a few years before George Lucas created Obi-wan Kenobi for Star Wars Don proclaimed something or other about the Obi-man in the middle song. I doubt I'll have the chance to ask George if he was inspired in the name choice by Don's character. I'm curious , though. Also, I have no pretense to learning in the sphere of music, but I like things that people like Zappa like ( and sometimes top 40 crap, too ), so I guess that's something :)

  • @brunomagritte
    @brunomagritte 9 месяцев назад +4

    • @ElisabethElmore
      @ElisabethElmore  9 месяцев назад

      Hey, glad you liked the video! Thanks for taking the time to be here.