Something very ironic is the land in brook park was actually city of Cleveland land originally. It only came to Brookpark when the city swapped it for the IX Center.
Thing is - it'll be right next to Cleveland Hopkins Airport. I personally don't see what the big deal is. Plus the players can park their cars at the training facility and ride a bus a couple miles away
@@andreadeamon6419 The FAA will likely not allow much of it. Brook Park also does not have the infrastructure there and the major feeders are all funded by Cleveland or the state of Ohio - so why should Cleveland bother spending money on infrastructure for a stadium not in its limits? The state of Ohio has already indicated they will not contribute. So Brook Park is going to shell out $1 Billion? A city of under 20K is going to pay a Billion for that stadium? Either that or Jimmy thinks Cuyahoga County will do it. He's delusional. The era of massive public funding for these palaces to enrich billionaires is coming to a close and within 2 years Jimmy and his ilk will see their taxes double anyways. They should actually see if the USPS is truly wanting to move from the facility on Orange. That land in Brook Park would make a lot of sense for the Cleveland Post Office and Cleveland could easily annex it if the Federal Government gets it as it would get no property taxes at that point. Put the stadium on Orange, just about 3/4 of a mile from Progressive Field and right next to the Tri-C Red Line stop.
Then lets put it to a referendum. If you are right, then the tax payers would be more than happy to pay for it, otherwise the evidence only shows that fans are more than willing to sit in the weather and watch a football game.
@@CaptRR Tax payers are not shelling out their money for a stadium, period. A la, Chicago, Oakland, San Diego, and a more recent example that is KC's Jackson County
@@CaptRR I’ll pay my share of taxes to get out of downtown. The parking situation is a nightmare there. Plus weather sucks. Build the dome have more accessible parking so you don’t have to put your damn life on the line crossing streets in downtown thru the bums and freaks
Let Cleveland renovate their current stadium. There’s nothing wrong with it. Football is a game meant to play outdoors and if they move to a dome the team has gone soft.
Incorrect. It just says if they are moving out of an entity under the state government. Haslam will argue that Cuyahoga County is the same entity but Cleveland will state that Cleveland supersedes the county.
It's a moot point. It's a dumb law to fool dumb Ohio voters. It is completely unconstitutional. You can't prevent a private business from re-locating. A team that wants to move to another state will just move and flip-off that law on the way out.
@@MrMac1138 That is not the spirit of the law. Clearly for moving out of state. As we all saw there was no such debate when the Cavs moved from Richfield to downtown Cleveland. They can’t have it both ways.
And what do the city of Cleveland does when the Browns' lease expires in 2028? That "Modell" law would be moot! They'll be able to leave and move the team whereever they want unless they've already came up with a plan!
Yes, but not moot until the day after the lease expires. Meaning the Browns could not make any plans ahead of time for moving out of Cleveland without the six month notice. So they would need to find a new place to play in a very short time at a moment when a lot of people are fed up with paying public money for these stadiums.
@@MrMac1138 Yeah but once the lease expires the team can go where they want, they might not get public money but they can clearly move to brook park if that is where they want to end up and the law would mean nothing. What they want them to do is get public money and rebuild the current stadium then they would be stuck with a new lease. Cities don't have any leverage unless they have a lease,. After 2028 Browns can do what they want. They have no obligation to the city to stay, which is why cities should not be providing any funding to these teams.
It's moot anyway. It's completely unconstitutional and would be thrown out in court. I can't believe people in Ohio are that dumb to believe it. 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Wrong. That law was on the books when the Browns signed the lease. It exists under the law. Haslam will have to put the team up for sale before a potential move to Brook Park.
I hope it doesn't leave the city of Cleveland. I understand a dome could be used more and has advantages but what people don't understand is there is history right there where that stadium sets Jim Brown,Otto,Motley and the list goes on and on. I think football should be a outside sport in my opinion. I have always wanted to attend a Browns game in the snow hopefully that will get to happen. I also think this will hurt businesses in Cleveland and it's not really close to Cleveland it's 14 miles away. I think they should just keep it where Its at and upgrade it but it's probably leaving sadly.
They can build where-ever they want, they just can't get public money for it. The law does not stop them from moving. Cities don't have any standing unless they have a lease with the team. Once the lease runs out Brows could move where they want provided it is not stepping on another teams toes and in there territory.
You can't take out the parking. If you're coming from Mentor, Cleveland Hts, Akron or anywhere else that's not 20 min or less from Brookpark you're not taking public transportation or ride share its just not realistic.
Problem here with your logic is the lease ends in 2028 but they can’t announced that they’re developing anything until after the least is up which means they wouldn’t be able to start the developing anything meaning they wouldn’t be able to announce any developments, until after the lease does expired which means they would have to have a temporary stadium to play in which means then they would be under a again…
This would be more like the Dolphins play in Miami Gardens rather Miami proper vs the Cavs playing in Richfield, OH back in the day rather than Cleveland proper.
No problem! So we'll assume Cleveland has a handfull of adjacent streets downtown to sell to the Haslems for around 50-60M. Then add 2.4B and we get the dome in Cleveland proper. No problem. Oh wait, Cleveland can't currently provide the Browns with a viable option in Cleveland proper so the Modell law WILL NOT hold up in court. The Haslems can easily make a rock solid case for not wanting to re-lease CB Stadium.
They're only planning on moving it maybe 15 mins south from where it is now. The airport next to it (the old Ford plant property) is called Cleveland Hopkins Airport - key word - Cleveland. As long as they have handicapped parking (and lots of it since someone can borrow someone placard at anytime) - I'm all for it (my opinion you should have to prove why you have the placard to be able to use it)
@@andreadeamon6419 And even that is likely not going to be allowed by the FAA. Also heard USPS is looking at that land and may condemn it to build a new post office.
Which teams in the nfl haven't threatened to relocate over the last 10 years seems like everyone has the nfl will be come a joke if the afc championship game in 10 years is the Oklahoma city Bengals versus the salt lake city chiefs
14 miles down the road which isn't good. I don't think they should be allowed to call the team the Cleveland Browns when you are 14 miles away. I understand other teams do it but I think they should have to change the name of the team.
Drama from Cleveland City Council. That's all it is. There is no court in our country that could enforce that law once the lease expires. It is unconstitutional. Say NO to the #hideouslandbridge on the lakefront. Build the modern covered all purpose facility in Brook Park. It is an absolute slam dunk project for our region. I do think Haslam should pay for anything built on the property and government [taxpayers] contribute the surrounding road, rail, airport upgrades.
could the city of cleveland annex that property from brookpark to make the team still be in the city of Cleveland? it could work and make all parties happy
@Matthew6248. That’s the way it should go. The stadium itself is only 25 years old, still in great condition and right next to the lake. You can still host wrestlemaina and Taylor swift concerts outside as well as hockey games given how it’s located in a cold environment. Building a dome will just make Cleveland soft.
Not without public funding. Remember just because it's popular to say no ...doesn't mean you going to keep your team. These billionaires are not playing and there are other cities ready to take your toys
The Haslams paying for anything built on the property is fair. I do think the government/taxpayers need to chip in with upgrading the surrounding roads, rail lines, and airport. That would be a bargain I believe for what the region will be getting in return with a year round facility/destination for events and entertainment.
That law is really bogus,the Mayor and city council has communication issues, I'm assuming this will be on the ballot in November, we upkeep the Cavs and Guardians stadiums, it's time for the Browns to have their Stadium, Browns will be moving
It won't be on the ballot in November. The state also will not kick anything in nor will Cleveland in Brook Park, so Cuyahoga County and Brook Park will need to contribute $1.5 Billion.
@@MrMac1138 my understanding is that the state does have funds because Cincinnati is looking for some help themselves,I doubt Brook Park can fork over funds so I'm looking for something to get done
The browns will leave Cleveland and change their name, they will go on to win 2 super bowls. then in 10 years a new team will be in Cleveland named the Cleveland browns
The Cleveland Browns will never never never never never leave the city of Cleveland again the Art Model law was signed into law in 1996 to make sure that the city of Cleveland will never have lose the Cleveland Browns again and that law protects every professional sports franchise in the state of Ohio it's a great law that every state should have so they don't have to worry about losing their teams.
@@joshuakacik9458 that’s awesome I had no clue abt that law. I was just making a joke tho bc that is basically what already happened. I feel bad for Cleveland realistically they totally got robbed out of what would have been their only Super Bowl in 2000 with the ravens.
The thing is, I say build the dome. Here’s why, nobody is going to give a care about the location when they host the Super Bowl, Final Four Men’s, big ticket concerts, WWE bringing potentially WrestleMania, College Football National Championship. So many events all year around not just for 8/9 football games a year and sit empty for the rest of the year.
If the city wants to keep them downtown on that municipal grave yrd. They need to buy them off of Haslam make the Browns city owned like the packers. And keep the name Cleveland browns stadium. I dont think they can afford it. They want there cake and eat it to.
Just went to the Browns Stadium they need to put the 1 Billion into the stadium and just build it up. Moving by the airport would hurt the downtown atmosphere.
But would it really? I mean lets be honest its only a few games a year for a very expensive stadium? Especially for a property thats so close to the lake front. Its a good argument for Baseball and basketball due to the amount of games and the smaller attendance, but for a stadium that is only going to be use 8 times a year? Plus Cleveland downtown has a bunch of other problems that need to be addressed before it can afford to build a billionaire a new stadium.
If Cleveland were to land an NHL franchise they could host outdoor hockey games at that venue. They did it Michigan Ohio State hockey and it was a sellout.
Thank you for the update on Cleveland Browns potential new stadium in Brook Park.
hey DG hope you feel better man i can hear the congestion in your voice
Thank you for the update on the Browns new Stadium.
Something very ironic is the land in brook park was actually city of Cleveland land originally. It only came to Brookpark when the city swapped it for the IX Center.
The law only applies if they have an active lease in the city, if the current lease ends, then the law won't apply.
Thing is - it'll be right next to Cleveland Hopkins Airport. I personally don't see what the big deal is.
Plus the players can park their cars at the training facility and ride a bus a couple miles away
@@andreadeamon6419 The FAA will likely not allow much of it. Brook Park also does not have the infrastructure there and the major feeders are all funded by Cleveland or the state of Ohio - so why should Cleveland bother spending money on infrastructure for a stadium not in its limits? The state of Ohio has already indicated they will not contribute. So Brook Park is going to shell out $1 Billion? A city of under 20K is going to pay a Billion for that stadium? Either that or Jimmy thinks Cuyahoga County will do it. He's delusional. The era of massive public funding for these palaces to enrich billionaires is coming to a close and within 2 years Jimmy and his ilk will see their taxes double anyways.
They should actually see if the USPS is truly wanting to move from the facility on Orange. That land in Brook Park would make a lot of sense for the Cleveland Post Office and Cleveland could easily annex it if the Federal Government gets it as it would get no property taxes at that point. Put the stadium on Orange, just about 3/4 of a mile from Progressive Field and right next to the Tri-C Red Line stop.
Turns out barns aren't allowed in urban zoned plots. Gonna need a rural setting for this disaster of a new stadium
build the dome nobody wants to sit out in crap weather anymore
Then lets put it to a referendum. If you are right, then the tax payers would be more than happy to pay for it, otherwise the evidence only shows that fans are more than willing to sit in the weather and watch a football game.
@@CaptRR Tax payers are not shelling out their money for a stadium, period. A la, Chicago, Oakland, San Diego, and a more recent example that is KC's Jackson County
I do, put a coat on.
@@CaptRR I’ll pay my share of taxes to get out of downtown. The parking situation is a nightmare there. Plus weather sucks. Build the dome have more accessible parking so you don’t have to put your damn life on the line crossing streets in downtown thru the bums and freaks
Let Cleveland renovate their current stadium. There’s nothing wrong with it. Football is a game meant to play outdoors and if they move to a dome the team has gone soft.
The city of cleveland better stop acting crazy and let haslam build the stadium they going to mess around and the team leave again
Also the Modell law is for teams moving out of state (Maryland and Texas) not applicable to moving within the region.
Incorrect. It just says if they are moving out of an entity under the state government. Haslam will argue that Cuyahoga County is the same entity but Cleveland will state that Cleveland supersedes the county.
It's a moot point. It's a dumb law to fool dumb Ohio voters. It is completely unconstitutional. You can't prevent a private business from re-locating. A team that wants to move to another state will just move and flip-off that law on the way out.
@@MrMac1138 That is not the spirit of the law. Clearly for moving out of state. As we all saw there was no such debate when the Cavs moved from Richfield to downtown Cleveland. They can’t have it both ways.
Browns built their stadium at the wrong time way before the super stadiums were built. Good luck taxpayers of Cleveland
And what do the city of Cleveland does when the Browns' lease expires in 2028? That "Modell" law would be moot! They'll be able to leave and move the team whereever they want unless they've already came up with a plan!
Yes, but not moot until the day after the lease expires. Meaning the Browns could not make any plans ahead of time for moving out of Cleveland without the six month notice. So they would need to find a new place to play in a very short time at a moment when a lot of people are fed up with paying public money for these stadiums.
@@MrMac1138 Yeah but once the lease expires the team can go where they want, they might not get public money but they can clearly move to brook park if that is where they want to end up and the law would mean nothing. What they want them to do is get public money and rebuild the current stadium then they would be stuck with a new lease. Cities don't have any leverage unless they have a lease,. After 2028 Browns can do what they want. They have no obligation to the city to stay, which is why cities should not be providing any funding to these teams.
It's moot anyway. It's completely unconstitutional and would be thrown out in court. I can't believe people in Ohio are that dumb to believe it. 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Completely unenforceable law. It is a private business and he can operate as such unless that exact same verbiage was in his deal to take tax money.
Wrong. That law was on the books when the Browns signed the lease. It exists under the law. Haslam will have to put the team up for sale before a potential move to Brook Park.
@@MrMac1138 or just give 6 months notice......
I hope it doesn't leave the city of Cleveland. I understand a dome could be used more and has advantages but what people don't understand is there is history right there where that stadium sets Jim Brown,Otto,Motley and the list goes on and on. I think football should be a outside sport in my opinion. I have always wanted to attend a Browns game in the snow hopefully that will get to happen. I also think this will hurt businesses in Cleveland and it's not really close to Cleveland it's 14 miles away. I think they should just keep it where Its at and upgrade it but it's probably leaving sadly.
I think the land is cursed, move
The browns have a great stadium near the lakefront. I can’t imagine why they would just give up and leave after being there less than 30 years.
They can build where-ever they want, they just can't get public money for it. The law does not stop them from moving. Cities don't have any standing unless they have a lease with the team. Once the lease runs out Brows could move where they want provided it is not stepping on another teams toes and in there territory.
I didn't know there was such a law good for you Cleveland
You can't take out the parking. If you're coming from Mentor, Cleveland Hts, Akron or anywhere else that's not 20 min or less from Brookpark you're not taking public transportation or ride share its just not realistic.
Problem here with your logic is the lease ends in 2028 but they can’t announced that they’re developing anything until after the least is up which means they wouldn’t be able to start the developing anything meaning they wouldn’t be able to announce any developments, until after the lease does expired which means they would have to have a temporary stadium to play in which means then they would be under a again…
This would be more like the Dolphins play in Miami Gardens rather Miami proper vs the Cavs playing in Richfield, OH back in the day rather than Cleveland proper.
No problem! So we'll assume Cleveland has a handfull of adjacent streets downtown to sell to the Haslems for around 50-60M. Then add 2.4B and we get the dome in Cleveland proper. No problem. Oh wait, Cleveland can't currently provide the Browns with a viable option in Cleveland proper so the Modell law WILL NOT hold up in court. The Haslems can easily make a rock solid case for not wanting to re-lease CB Stadium.
They're only planning on moving it maybe 15 mins south from where it is now. The airport next to it (the old Ford plant property) is called Cleveland Hopkins Airport - key word - Cleveland.
As long as they have handicapped parking (and lots of it since someone can borrow someone placard at anytime) - I'm all for it (my opinion you should have to prove why you have the placard to be able to use it)
Most of the new stadium is planned to be underground because of the airport. That's why they cannot do a parking garage.
The next exit up from coming up south on 71 is 150th street. Which is Cleveland
@@andreadeamon6419 And even that is likely not going to be allowed by the FAA. Also heard USPS is looking at that land and may condemn it to build a new post office.
Which teams in the nfl haven't threatened to relocate over the last 10 years seems like everyone has the nfl will be come a joke if the afc championship game in 10 years is the Oklahoma city Bengals versus the salt lake city chiefs
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FYI
Arlington Heights is a separate village from Chicago
come on cleve its just a mile down the road.
It's actually across the street from Cleveland. About 44ft.
As my dad would say
A hop skip and a jump
14 miles down the road which isn't good. I don't think they should be allowed to call the team the Cleveland Browns when you are 14 miles away. I understand other teams do it but I think they should have to change the name of the team.
Drama from Cleveland City Council. That's all it is. There is no court in our country that could enforce that law once the lease expires. It is unconstitutional. Say NO to the #hideouslandbridge on the lakefront. Build the modern covered all purpose facility in Brook Park. It is an absolute slam dunk project for our region. I do think Haslam should pay for anything built on the property and government [taxpayers] contribute the surrounding road, rail, airport upgrades.
I really hope they figure it out because the browns deserve to be in Cleveland
They'll still be in Cleveland. Just not downtown
Say no to roofs/domes
could the city of cleveland annex that property from brookpark to make the team still be in the city of Cleveland? it could work and make all parties happy
The Browns may move right outside of the City limits of Cleveland, but they'll remain the Cleveland Browns.
The Jaguars and The city have an agreement on the stadium renovation! will be announce next tuesday.
My prediction, Browns' current stadium gets renovated (no roof though) but the renovations happen during the offseason
Haslem is hell bent on getting a roof. A outside venue or renovation will NOT happen
@Matthew6248. That’s the way it should go. The stadium itself is only 25 years old, still in great condition and right next to the lake.
You can still host wrestlemaina and Taylor swift concerts outside as well as hockey games given how it’s located in a cold environment.
Building a dome will just make Cleveland soft.
I don't care what they do as long as they pay for it
Not without public funding. Remember just because it's popular to say no ...doesn't mean you going to keep your team. These billionaires are not playing and there are other cities ready to take your toys
The Haslams paying for anything built on the property is fair. I do think the government/taxpayers need to chip in with upgrading the surrounding roads, rail lines, and airport. That would be a bargain I believe for what the region will be getting in return with a year round facility/destination for events and entertainment.
I remember ole school cleveland stadium 🏟 were the Indians ⚾️& browns🏈/ yes everyone what's the super bowls / we n days money 💵
That law won't stop shit. And it won't stop the Bengals from leaving Ohio either. Once they're gone what are you gonna do? Sue them to come back?
Wrigley Field and Fennway Park are both over 100 years old, and the Browns need a new stadium to replace a 25 year old stadium?
not replacing it because of its condition
Horrible contractors built it. That's what happens when you accept one of the lowest bids
Look how long municipal stood
Baseball stadiums are a whole different animal.
@@geebee6010 How so?
The definition of a browns fan is sitting in the cold and watching them lose
Haslam became owner of the Columbus Crew due to a lawsuit with MLS and Anthony Precourt in 2018
The Art Modell law prevents the Browns and Bengals from leaving the state of Ohio not a city.
Last I checked, Brook Park is in Cuyahoga County, as is Cleveland.
@@CreightonRabs well tell that to the poster of the video
It’s all about greed. Billionaires and millionaires squeezing whatever they can get out of taxpayers.
Buy buy Cleveland Engine plan 1 they will sell it. That’s profit for them think about it people
That law is really bogus,the Mayor and city council has communication issues, I'm assuming this will be on the ballot in November, we upkeep the Cavs and Guardians stadiums, it's time for the Browns to have their Stadium, Browns will be moving
It won't be on the ballot in November. The state also will not kick anything in nor will Cleveland in Brook Park, so Cuyahoga County and Brook Park will need to contribute $1.5 Billion.
@@MrMac1138 my understanding is that the state does have funds because Cincinnati is looking for some help themselves,I doubt Brook Park can fork over funds so I'm looking for something to get done
Need that parking so you can have a Muni lot parking area…
Lots of parking around there - they can even build an area for the muni lot and build a bridge to cross Brookpark rd if they need to
The browns will leave Cleveland and change their name, they will go on to win 2 super bowls. then in 10 years a new team will be in Cleveland named the Cleveland browns
The Brook Park Browns really does roll off the tongue
The Cleveland Browns will never never never never never leave the city of Cleveland again the Art Model law was signed into law in 1996 to make sure that the city of Cleveland will never have lose the Cleveland Browns again and that law protects every professional sports franchise in the state of Ohio it's a great law that every state should have so they don't have to worry about losing their teams.
The Cleveland Browns will never change their name or anything why would you even think think that.
@@joshuakacik9458 that’s awesome I had no clue abt that law. I was just making a joke tho bc that is basically what already happened. I feel bad for Cleveland realistically they totally got robbed out of what would have been their only Super Bowl in 2000 with the ravens.
Cleveland is not moving out of ohio
The thing is, I say build the dome. Here’s why, nobody is going to give a care about the location when they host the Super Bowl, Final Four Men’s, big ticket concerts, WWE bringing potentially WrestleMania, College Football National Championship. So many events all year around not just for 8/9 football games a year and sit empty for the rest of the year.
If the city wants to keep them downtown on that municipal grave yrd. They need to buy them off of Haslam make the Browns city owned like the packers. And keep the name Cleveland browns stadium. I dont think they can afford it. They want there cake and eat it to.
2028 is more than 6 months
Just went to the Browns Stadium they need to put the 1 Billion into the stadium and just build it up. Moving by the airport would hurt the downtown atmosphere.
But would it really? I mean lets be honest its only a few games a year for a very expensive stadium? Especially for a property thats so close to the lake front. Its a good argument for Baseball and basketball due to the amount of games and the smaller attendance, but for a stadium that is only going to be use 8 times a year?
Plus Cleveland downtown has a bunch of other problems that need to be addressed before it can afford to build a billionaire a new stadium.
@@CaptRR You forget Super Bowls, final fours, National Championships, Wrestlemania, to name a few.
If Cleveland were to land an NHL franchise they could host outdoor hockey games at that venue. They did it Michigan Ohio State hockey and it was a sellout.
The Stadium was rushed when it was originally built, its falling apart. You can always put something else there as an attraction.
No it won't. If you want to go into Cleveland for dinner or whatever - you're 15 mins away - according to traffic
Hey depressed ginger are you feeling ok
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I never understood why Cleveland wouldn't be ideal for an NHL franchise.
@joedimaggio3687 They had a team back in the late 70's for a few seasons but could barely get anyone to show up for games.