@@RumblestripDotNet I’m a 300WSM guy, there’s no denying it smokes 6.5 PRC in terms of terminal performance on game and so do the others you mentioned. The problem with the rest of them is ammo availability is almost non existent. 270WSM and 6.8 western can be found but its future seems uncertain to date. 6.5 PRC is almost everywhere now. I look at 6.5 PRC as a replacement for 270 win, not literally but in terms of anything I’d kill with a 270 I’d feel comfortable killing with a 6.5 PRC. Both will kill just about anything I just prefer that extra assurance from a 168+ .30 cal projectile.
Until they redesign deer and elk to withstand a heart/lung shot from a 270 Win at or below 400 yards, I have no need for any of these new and improved cartridges or the new rifles they are designed specifically to sell.
@@jaredstewmelt that is a good one also. I personally like the 190 smk at 2950fps it has almost the same 22.6"wind deflection of the 6.5 creedmoor at 600 and 300lbs more energy than the 6.5 prc at 600. 24" barrel. in comparison to what was presented here.
I've been running a 7 Saum with 162gr Amax at 3050 fps for many years, its performance is undeniable for sure, with a 180gr it'd be even better. I'm about to try some 180gr eldm's in it too, easier to get down here in NZ compared to the Bergers
@charlesmullins3238 easy to do and leaves room to load the heavies long. Hardest part is getting feeding reliable, if going detachable magazine use a 338 lapua magazine since the saum isn't a belted magnum it's case is wider and the belted magnum mags squeeze it and cause feeding problems.
Semper Fi Guy, great job on the video. I rebarreled my Tikka 270 WSM to the 6.5 PRC this year. I made some custom mods as well. For me the 6.5 PRC is much more comfortable to shoot, no flinching. I am using Berger ammo with the 156 gr elite hunter and it was deadly on my MT mule deer last month at 325 yards.
@@jjmckay6man1 The 300 WSM is a fine cartridge, but too much of a good thing for me. Glad to hear that your rifle feeds fine. I know that George Gardiner of GA Precision had enough feeding issues with his 6.5 SAUM that he stopped production as soon as the better feeding 6.5 PRC came out. The smaller diameter bullet may be a part of this, though.
@@keithprinn720one could argue 30-06 is overkill for deer… The guys I know with them have one gun (or it’s the only gun they really shoot anymore) for everything and know it well. Most people will feel very little difference in recoil from a 30-06 and a 300wsm with light for caliber bullets. I have a 270 I swear kicks worse than my 300wsm, purely anecdotal though. Price is negligible especially if you reload or you’re shooting premium ammo.
Seems like the 7 SAUM should be in the conversation. Similar BCs and powder charges. Yeah there isn’t really factory ammo for it. But this is Ultimate Reloader.
Wyoming here. Shooting the 6.5 PRC this year hunting Antelope and Elk. Handload 143 eld-x. One trick I use to help mitigate wind (our wind sock is a heavy chain🤠) is to move so I am shooting directly into the wind. On super windy days this tactic has saved me out past 550 yards.
@@greasydot According to Applied Ballistics “aerodynamic jump” only happens with a crosswind. I confirmed this in their AB mobile App (which is the same as my Kestrel with AB). At 700 yards my 6.5 PRC shows 4.1 mils come-up with a 30 mph crosswind. With wind at 30 mph from front or rear, or with wind set to 0 mph it’s 3.8 mils up. So .3 mils or 7.6 inches difference with a crosswind vs 0 inches with no wind or with head or tailwind. Let me know if your ballistic calculator is showing something different and which one you’re using. Thx 🙏
@@Wallymakesstuff The problem here is the wind speed is never constant. It constantly fluctuates. Another trick I use is I wait for the animal to face “with” the wind and their head down, grazing. Then I aim for the lungs or slightly back. If the wind pushes more than expect I get a shoulder or neck hit. Both lethal. Less, and no harm, still a clean kill. If it pushes far too much, it’s generally a clean miss. This avoids the dreaded gut shot by a bad wind call.
@@MaxairEngineering here in open country Colorado, same thing - I’ve also employed that tactic in variable winds. (If it feels like the max is under 10mph). I’ve learned to like strong winds for open country… it really helps get a good stalk on the animals because the footstep noise is hard for them to hear and we can get a lot closer… but usually try to get a strong headwind shot.
Why are we making an apples to rocks comparison? Compare other short magnums. 300 wsm, 7 saum, 7 wsm, 6.8 western etc. 7 wsm is showing less drop with 140 gn nosler.
6.5 PRC pushing a 156 gr Berger at a 20 shot average velocity of 2999.5 is pretty awesome. Crushed my buck at 750 yards. He was down in under two seconds! Friggin love this round! Light recoil and can reach out and fill the freezer. But obviously I'm doing a lot of range work with this gun ahead of the hunt. Shouldn't even have the mention it but there's Fudds in here.
750 yards is not reasonable for the vast majority of hunters. And is it really hunting when the game is that far away? It’s great marksmanship no doubt And you have that but shouldn’t we try to get closer? The time the bullet is in the air is enough time to make a great shot a bad one
My favorite is 7rsaum. I use one for unlimted class 1000yd benchrest I built. I use to use 7wsm but it was so hard on barrels and my 7rsaum barrels last three times longer even pushing 183gr matchkings 3,020fps with H4831sc. Thats how efficient it is. That cartridge has impressed me so many times in ways more than the 6bra which is saying a lot. 7rsaum basically looks like an upscaled 6BR. I will always have a match rifle chambered in one
I'm on a mission to make sure everyone knows 6.8 Western is the king of the short actions. It has the same performance as the 6.5 PRC with a larger diameter bullet. It's better for large animals like Elk. Not much recoil either. Thanks for the video!
Browning and Winchester blew it with the name and the marketing materials. They intentionally chose loads with ballistically inferior bullets for the cartridges to which they compared it, and the name is entirely foreign to the market. Who’s heard of a 6.8? Why call it a western? It isn’t a movie. If they’d called it the .270 O’Conner, it would have burned up the market. But, as the saying goes, you only get one chance to make a first impression, and they blew it.
I base my cartridge selection on the minimum velocity for reliable expansion. I hunt whitetail over large ag fields. With that said, over 350 yards is a long shot on a deer. 6.5 Creed is more than enough for this type of hunt and the lighter recoil allows me to spot my hit and follow the deer. I’ve actually got a Howa Mini 6mm ARC I’m going to try this year. My 6mm ARC has enough velocity to reliably expand out to 600 yards and recoil is similar to .223.
I've been using the hornady precision hunter ammo for the prc so I can have cases to reload. The rifle is a Christensen Ridgeline using the next gen EC tuner. Sub half MOA all day long. I can wait until I can load my own for it.
Look at a chart with 150 to 168gr bullets, it doesnt. He used a freaking bowling ball for the 308 bullet which makes the numbers drop hard and makes the 308 look anemic to the less weight prc class bullets. They always do this to make the 308 look bad, but it gives it a better bc. No one ive ever met hunts with a 308 with a 180gr bullet. Most humter rarely ever hunt over 300yds. If you need reach oit their get a 300wm and put that 180gr bowling ball on it and let it rip.
@@Longtrailside It depends on what you are looking for. If you stay within 300 yards and stick to broadside shots, no big difference for medium game. The drop does not change much, but drop does not really matter if you have a range finder and ballistics table. If you are hunting Elk and want 1500ft-lbs of energy, a 150 Interlock has an effective range of about 275 yards and the higher-BC 150 SST goes to about 325 yards. The 178 has an effective range of about 425 yards. Energy numbers at 500 yards are 925ft-lbs @1667fps for the interlock and 1379ft-lbs @1868fps for the 178 ELD-X. I consider that a significant difference. The 150 is marginal for deer at 500 yards. If you are in an area with winds gusting to 20mph, I suspect the difference will be significant. I will run numbers tomorrow.
178gr bullets are not maximizing the efficiency of the 308 imo. Not a really fair comparison. If they did the comparison again with 150gr, the 308 would’ve looked a lot better. I shoot 138gr - velocity is key for terminal performance.
@@Longtrailside I finally got around to running the ballistics of Hornady's 150gr Interlock vs the 178 ELD-X. By the time you get to 300 yards, the 178 is already 70fps faster and putting out 380ft lbs more energy. With a 20mph crosswind, the 178 has 6.5" less wind drift. If you go out to 500 yards, the 150 is down to 1636 fps (too slow to reliably open) and 891ftlbs energy while the 178 is still at 1835fps (still mushrooming fine) and 1346 ftlbs. The 150 drifts 23 more inches.
There is absolutely an argument that the man with a 6.5 PRC and a 300WSM, especially as a handloader, does not need any other hunting cartridge for eastern whitetail up to moose.
If I had to choose a short action cartridge I would go with 7 SAUM loaded with 150 to 160 grbullets for deer size animals 180 grain bullets for elk size animals this cartridge is impressively accurate not too much recoil. The only problem is you have to load your own ammo, which is our problem.
@@charlesmullins3238 What practical difference? You still have to calculate wind holds and hold overs for both. What does your PRC do that his Creedmoor won't do, or the 308 for that difference in a hunting rifle at practical hunting distances? Neither should be shot much past 400-500 yards in a hunting situation out of hunting rifles. Saying your friend would shoot a couple of inches too low is the same as saying you'll shoot a couple inches too high.
@@johnwallroff5918 The difference is more in wind calls. You can precisely determine the distance and drop, but wind is always a guess. The same wrong guess with a 6.5 PRC is more likely to be in the vital zone.
@@johnwallroff5918 I think the answer lies in what you call practical hunting distance. For me, a 308 Win or 6.5 Creedmoor, is Practical out to 3-400 yards. (Elk then Deer.) With a 6.5 PRC, 5-600 yards would be practical. 6.8 Western good to 6-700 yards. Practical changes with the capabilities of the cartridge as well as the hunter.
@@jfess1911 Yes, I'm familiar with the concept of hit probability and how incorrect estimation plays into that. But even taking that into account... It won't make a difference in hunting rifles at hunting ranges on the type of game that you would hunt with these 3 calibers.
One thing not mentioned is how soft the recoil is on the 6.5 PRC. Suppressed it's only slightly more than a Creed. Which is huge for spotting impact solo hunting! Or longer sessions at the range. Yeah the big 7's ballistically out perform it. But with more recoil.
Impressive results. I used to be a 1000 yd. shooter. I used a 300 win mag. I see the fantastic shots with the 6.5 these days. and cant fault anyone who wants good accuracy with less recoil. Not to throw a wet blanket on you review but when it comes to hunting, I doubt 90 percent of hunters shoot more than 200 yds. That being the case any standard rifle caliber will get the job done.
Direct comparison to the 6.5 prc would be the 270wsm, 6.8 western, 7mm wsm, 7mm saum. Have to compare high bc short action magnum cartridges to short action high bc magnum cartridges. Marketing for the 6.5 prc has been comparing apples to oranges. I will tell you both short action magnum 7mm cartridges blow any other short action magnum out of the water in performance. They even get so close to the 300wsm in energy but achieving it in a lot flatter trajectory and less drift it’s a fair trade for a little less energy. The 7mm is really the Goldie locks of short action magnums for performance
I use it use a 270 and open country that hasn’t fail me yet 354.5 yards away deer run, but that was really bullet too on a modest velocity too and it did the job that put him down one shot in his track
Sure..it is…but these comparisons mean nothing…it’s a pointless exercise of just wanting to be The King Of Being Right. Shoot a 6.5 PRC…no one cares…Ive just been around this hunting game..and it’s just a game trust me because we don’t hunt to put food b on the table..it’s a game. But far far too many really don’t know how to use any particular chambering. The ifs and and’s…POI when humidity is at a certain percentage or ambient temperature..heat rises..! The reality is always this..”Ethical Shooting Distance “…just because a deer is standing broadside at 500 yards verified by a reliable range finder..doesn’t mean anyone “Should” take such a shot. Because it’s unethical..!! Too many variables to guarantee a one shot “Clean Ethical Kill”. I’ve stopped hunting with a couple of knotheads because they were reckless in taking far far too long of shots when I stressed to them not to do so.Yes!! I’ve had to help track down gut shot deer because of these A Holes pulling such a stunt! A couple of times the animals were never located because of poor shot placement hence..former hunting companions. There you have it.
@@BusterBibb practicing at distance and finding your limits is key. And setting a distance that you know you can consistently hit. There’s nothing wrong with having better equipment to help hunters make more ethical kills. Using modern bullets with higher BC helps with hit probability. You forgot to mention the biggest factor of shooting is wind, after knowing your distance. PERIOD. Get out and practice in the wind, it will humble most hunters to set a closer limit at which they should shoot. Glad you stopped hunting with the knuckle heads.
Yes the wind…a cold stiff minus 0 wind chill on a Colorado mesa or mountainside..or!! out in sage brush country…well that will put a serious glitch in a braggarts crawl. Brrrrrrr..and it hurts too that cold!! I know! 12 years was my last stint stay wise in Colorado..was very close to far eastern Utah and Jesus!! Talk about the wind!! Well..not as bad as Wyoming from Baggs to I 80 over to Rawlins and east….that shit will will put a serious hurt on your accuracy!!
@@BusterBibb meat is the only reason I hunt. I could give 2 craps about bone lol. Go get them antibiotic and growth hormone filled meat. You can have it.
Great Video, very informative. For hunting, in addition to the 6.5 PRC (I shoot w 140, 150 grain Accubonds w/ some Siroccos), I also shoot the standard 270 Win, 270 WSM, 6.8 Western, 7mm Rem Mag, 300WSM (very under rated cartridge, love this cartridge) and 300 Win Mag. You guys should check out the 6.8 Western. With its 7.5 to 8 twist, it can carry a bunch of energy down range with high BC bullets, relatively low re-coil and very good accuracy its getting a following. Ultimate Reloader should check it out, maybe do a video on the 6.8 Western. I have not tried a 7mm PRC nor have I tried a 300 PRC. On my list to try out!! PS: Maybe Winchester comes out with a 7.62 Western. Their cartridge engineering has been very good over the years and could give the Hornady PRC line up a run for their money.
@@kevinli9331 define way better? The 6.5 prc with factory berger 156gr ammo is a ballistic match to the 6.8 with 170gr ammo... with less recoil and a higher sectional density..
I have both the 6.5prc and the 7saum, love them both, both have muzzle brakes but the recoil is definitely harder with the 7saum although not bad. For whatever reason I shoot the 6.5prc better especially out in the field. 6.5prc is a Christiansen arms mesa, 7saum is a remington 700, I load hornady eld-x and cx bullets for both, killed a bunch of deer and antelope plus a couple of elk with both, favorite one changes from day to day!!! Downside to the 7saum is I haven't seen new brass for years and there hasn't been any new data published in years. Loaded ammunition, good luck.
After a couple of builds and some high end factory rifles I have settled on what is my perfect mountain rifle for here in Australia and New Zealand. The rifle will be used on hunts up to and including Sambar Deer. I too, went short action because of the efficiency. But did something that I think more people should consider. Given as you say in the video the scarcity of many components I wanted to stick with a cartridge that is a proven and reasonably popular factory cartridge. I sourced a PROOF Research semi-sendero 24 inch barrel in 0.284" with a 1 in 8.25 twist. This ended up as 7mm08 Remington throated to suit 162 Grain ELDMs (taking into account the lower muzzle velocity). My load groups consistent 0.5 MOA at 2650fps. In a rifle weighing just under 7 pounds scoped (lighter rings would shave another 100 grams of this, it is a pleasure to shoot. And uses less than 42 grains of powder per shell. On this theme in standard action, how about a 270 Winchester with a faster twist barrel that can shoot 160 grain projectiles? We aren't taking advantage of modern powders, projectile design and tougher brass in already existing cartridges.
And by that you mean the 264WinMag is inferior..??..?? Ever shoot a 264 Mag? Chrono the loads? Load for accuracy and by the way…a 264 WinMag is a highly accurate round..though like any rifle barrel is everything…mostly…we’ll just like sny rifle yo shoot well it needs to be built right so… Again…if it’s not broke…..eh?
@@BusterBibb nope.. I'm referring to a short action cartridge that preceded the 6.5 PRC.. and offered a near identical comparison. The 264 Winchester mag is another great cartridge.. but it's not a short action cartridge!
300 WSM. Now that Alpha is making cases for them, will probably see them on the 1000 yard line again.Still have the record fur the smallest group at 1000 yards.o Big .025 wssm fan also!
Because they are too stupid to understand simple physics and gravity. The heavier slower bullet is going to be slower and drop faster down range. 143 to 178 grain bullet is absurd! Try a 150 grain Barnes TTSX in 308, start them off on about equal footing. That Barnes bullet starts out about 2900 feet per second. And it’s only 7 grains heavier than the 143. That would be a far better comparison.
I'm headed to Wyoming in 2 weeks for an Antelope hunt, primary rifle is a Howa Carbon 1500 in 6.5 PRC and back up rifle is a CVA Cascade in 308. Honestly the 308 shots better groups.... .35" 3 shot group at 100 yards with factory Hornady Whitetails. The PRC is a little more picky on which factory loads it likes better. I get the advantage of higher BC, but dang my 308 shots lights out. Great info as always, thanks
I have not found anything in North America that isn’t a grizz or Moose that my 308 can’t handle, definitely be dipping into a 6.5 prc soon tho. Great video
I've got both, I've taken deer with both. They're pretty close in performance in person. My .308 completely collapsed my prize buck. He dropped like a rock, chest shot at 75 yards. My 6.5 prc dropped a 7 point at 125 yards, double lung shot, blew him over. He almost looked like he was gonna flip over. I sold my 300wsm last year and bought the prc. It's on my bucket list to hunt elk and moose at some point. I bought the 300 wsm for that one day, but I found the recoil was crazy. I'm not a big guy. I way 155lbs soaking wet, I could still group it, but not what I wanted to "fear" in the heat of the moment. I can handle a box of 7 rem mag without flinching, so I bought the prc for a really good deal. I will say, though, it's more recoil than people claim. I've got a Mossberg patriot, and it weighs 8lbs with a loaded mag and Vortex 4x12 scope. It kicks less like a .270 and more like a .30-06 shooting 180gr. Still very controllable, but not what I would want my son to grow up shooting.
I like the premise of the 6.5 PRC But back in '93 I traded my built 6.5 Sweed for a custom built in 6.5/06. Brass is plentiful and I can send same 120 Pro-hunters near 3300 fps instead of 2600. Later 142 Sierras were worked up to 3050 and sub MOA. Love this rifle!! Doing over today, Id buy a 6.5PRC or a 6.5RPM.
Well they are trying to sell PRC, it's a good cartridge. But I don't know why they didn't just pick a 6.5-284N or a 6.5-GAP-4S and just sell that? The PRC is in a smaller capacity. I can only see availability beeing an issue with the PRC though, as long as it's a readily available brass it is the better choice. It's brass is fairly easy to get a hold of now.
While on paper it looks better things like recoil are also important. Excessive recoil can create bad habits, make finding your shot in the scope harder and can make you want to increase the weight of your rifle which can be counter intuitive for hunters. Using backfire TVs recoil chart PRC has 182.66 fl lbs of muzzle energy per ft lb of free recoil. Compared to creedmores 227.04 meaning you get 10% more recoil efficiency while maintaining a similar range and lethality. 100% PRC has less drop and more range but at what cost. And I get not everyone a hunter or backpacks but this is a strong conversation for many
I shoot a 6.5 cm in a heavy range gun and my hunting rifle is a much lighter 6.5 PRC. Coming from a 280 Ackley for hunting I find the PRC to be a dream to shoot when it comes to recoil.
Seems like the 6.5 PRC is like reinventing the wheel in its doing the same thing that the old 264 Winchester magnum has been doing the only difference is barrel twist which if you could put a 1-8 twist in the 264 Winchester they look very similar in ballistics
Everything is a reinvention. The 30-06 isn't the original. 30 caliber. The 6.5 Creedmoor isn't the original 6.5mm. I could say only the 6.5x55 is acceptable every other 6.5mm is nonsense. You see where this gets illogical.
The 264 Win mag was part of the "light bullet, fast and flat" generation and has significantly more powder capacity (around 82 grains of water vs 68). I would consider the 264 Win Mag as a true magnum. The 6.5 PRC is closer to a tweaked 6.5mm-06. The 264 WM would brute-force its way past the PRC at traditional hunting distances but probably fall behind somewhere beyond 400 yards. You could update the 264 WM, but it would need a magnum (ie, longer than 30-06) action/magazine, faster twist barrel and improved chamber. Oh and custom ammo. The only thing left of the original 264 Mag would be the case. At some point, it would stop being the cartridge that was introduced in 1959.
It's about off-the-shelf rifles. Affordable rifles with the right chamber and twist. The older cartridges are fine but need a custom to get the most out of them.
I have both 300wsm n 6.5PRC and are both awesome. However I always grab my 300WSM 99% of the time, it’s def my fav caliber of all time for anything and everything, 7WSM would be sweet but brass hunting is a task
I own a 6.5 prc. It's great for hunting. Especially if you hand load. However the downside is it's really a medium length cartridge being built on short actions. It not always possible to get appropriate bullet seating depths due to mag length limitations with certain bullets such as berger vlds. Hornady eldx seem fine as do sierra game kings. Berger hybrids should work fine. 3000fps in 140 gr bullets is great. With that I still preferred my 260 AI. I can get same velocity, cheaper brass, less powder and longer barrel life. But you have to fire form. All in all the 6.5 prc gives me 260 AI performance and I can buy factory ammo too. Great cartridge.
The biggest disadvantage is barrel life not recoil.a light 308 with stout powder charge on 178 or other hevyish bullet kicks as much as 6.5 prc. On my second prc barreled b14 and love the cartridge. George other brainchild 6 gt is getting built by him as we speak.love what u and Gavin are doing I’ve been following Gavin from very beginning.My next barrel will b chambered by gaven super impressed with what y’all do
I have a handful of .308s. And I like them for different reasons. Probably the easiest was the cheapest. TC Compass II. Now in an Oryx chassis and an Airtech slip-on. But my new favorite for everything, including open country hunting, such as mule deer and elk, is the 7 PRC. So, yes, I have become a Hornady fan boy. And while the .300 PRC might be a bit much for me, I could easily have gone with the 6.5 PRC but did not because I thought .308 was enough, especially for short distances, which it is.
Guy I love my 6.5 x .284 Norma. There just not enough advantage for me been a hand loaded to buy into the PRC .Its a great cartridge and if I didn’t have all the components already it would be great one to buy for a first time buyer. Good work up of cartridges Thanks
Given the lengths to which a short action is tortured to admit a 6.5 PRC, I don't consider it a true short action round. If I can't load it to 2.8" OAL, it's not really short action. It's still a good cartridge, but even better in a more honest medium action.
I agree that they fibbed a bit, but the case is the same length as the 260 Rem, so it can be loaded into a standard short action. On the Hornady podcast about the 6.5 PRC, they discussed the fact that the cartridge was more of an intermediate length with longer bullets. Winchester called the same length 6.8 Western a short action because the Model 70 short action could always handle a 3" cartridge. I think that Savage's short action is about the same. From what I understand, the 2.955" COAL was chosen because it fits the popular AICS magazine.
When you want precision long range hunting cartridge 6.5 prc is king perfect balance of velocity, energy less wind drift recoil that is so a little old lady could shoot deer 500 yards I have 6.5 prc and 6.5 creed more in Bergera hmr pro rifles with 4x16x50 Zeiss scopes on both . 6.5 prc is my open hunting rifle .I see no difference in recoil shooting just 6.5 prc is alot louder . 6.5 prc shoots really accurate for precision shooting at game with alot more energy down range is my favorite .Brass and ammo definitely is alot more then creedmore which is only thing I didn't like about 6.5 prc and gun only holds 3 cartridges
Would you consider shots longer than 600 yards? I live and hunt elk / deer in ID and currently shoot a 7mm rem mag. Accuracy (and flinch) are an issue for longer shots. It averages 1.5-2.0 MOA which would limit the range I can accurately shoot a deer to 500 yards (10:" vital). I am considering a 6.5 PRC but am not sure if its worth it based on a 600 yard max shot. It seems like a PRC should be easier to get to shoot accurately with factory ammo, and I would appreciate the lighter recoil than the 7mag. At 600 yards, even the 6.5 creedmoor has enough energy for deer, but elk would limit my range to 400 yards. The creedmoor would be the easiest of all to shoot accurately.
243 Winchester gets it for me. Its definitely not the most powerful round of any of these rounds, but its versatile enough to hunt varmint, deer, do some long range work (1k-1500 if you have enough barrel with the right loads) and do it all with a meager 35-40 grains of powder in a ubiquitous 308 parent case. It also fits into an AR10 platform with 20 round capacity for a fantastic DMR (Dedicated Marksman's Rifle) and even a Semi Auto Sniper System, if one were so inclined. AR10s with Free-floated barrels are exceptional in accuracy if quality parts and expert care are used in its construction. I see consistent 0.25-0.3 MOA accuracy in mine.
Velocity is also a very important consideration when shooting at moving targets. A quarter of a second in travel time can easily equate to a miss or bad hit if the target moves.
Very tempted to buy a 6.5prc, but i ahould not give to much care to the hype. I have 300wsm tikka for short action long range. I use 180gr sp interlock. Loving it.
Definitely not the king of open country short action hunting. 6.8 Western, 7 SAUM and 300 WSM just a few that immediately come to mind. I have been running a 6.8 Western and it matches my 6.5 PRC for trajectory with the 165 ABLR but surpasses it with energy and frontal diameter.
@@midwestbd7144 So I killed a coues deer near the Mexican border last fall. 1 shot 550 yds with 6.5 prc 143 ELDX. At those distances these comparisons are 100% relevant. A 308 at these distances don’t have enough velocity to property expand most bullets. the 6.5 prc does.
3000 fps out of my 20" prc shooting .5 moa suppressed. Components aren't as easy to find as creed, but prc is a big step up! 6.8 western is very interesting, but the market support is so far behind prc.
@@laneware3276 yep and it’s unfortunate. Barnes is looking like they are going to do factory loads for it finally. And Berger has been mulling it over for a while. If they do that means Lapua is potentially on board for brass. That could change the game big time.
Just got back from the range fellow Devil Dog! I also use retumbo with 150gr LR Accubonds in my wife's Browning XBolt 26" barrel. Excellent results on Elk. Just worked up a load with 140gr Accubonds using retumbo. Also a Browning XBolt Pro 26" barrel. Going to use that on Pronghorn, Mule Deer, Spike and Cow Elk this year.
I love the 6.5 PRC! But the 25 PRC is superior in every aspect. It has better ballistics than any other short mag cartridge. It's flatter and bucks wind better than a 6.8 western and even the 7 PRC. King of the short magnums!
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300WSM, 270 WSM, 7 SAUM, 6.8 Western, random Sherman Short cartrage.
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@@RumblestripDotNet I’m a 300WSM guy, there’s no denying it smokes 6.5 PRC in terms of terminal performance on game and so do the others you mentioned. The problem with the rest of them is ammo availability is almost non existent. 270WSM and 6.8 western can be found but its future seems uncertain to date. 6.5 PRC is almost everywhere now. I look at 6.5 PRC as a replacement for 270 win, not literally but in terms of anything I’d kill with a 270 I’d feel comfortable killing with a 6.5 PRC. Both will kill just about anything I just prefer that extra assurance from a 168+ .30 cal projectile.
Until they redesign deer and elk to withstand a heart/lung shot from a 270 Win at or below 400 yards, I have no need for any of these new and improved cartridges or the new rifles they are designed specifically to sell.
@@hepfarms9101 It's all about what you like. You hang out with your carburetors and points.
@@Westerner_ 270WSM and 6.8 Western may have new life since ADG is now making brass. Just today I saw Hornady ELDX ammo in 270WSM on the shelf.
@@hepfarms9101 Yep, bottom line is a 270 Win is all you need for NA. Of course I have to include the obligatory disclaimer...."except for big bears."
300wsm king of short action
with a 190 SMK. lol pure poison!
I agree. It’s almost impossible IMO to beat the versatility of 30 cal inside of 400yds (possibly even 500yds). I’m not taking game beyond that.
The 175gr LRX @ 3k fps with a 22" barrel is kind of hard to beat, NGL
@@jaredstewmelt that is a good one also. I personally like the 190 smk at 2950fps it has almost the same 22.6"wind deflection of the 6.5 creedmoor at 600 and 300lbs more energy than the 6.5 prc at 600. 24" barrel. in comparison to what was presented here.
I made it King of medium/long action for me.
7 saum with a 180 berger smokes this thing. Yes it's not an off the shelf cartridge anymore but the performance is undeniable.
As a 6.5prc man 7saum is where I’m headed. Like to convert my ol rem700 7mag
I've been running a 7 Saum with 162gr Amax at 3050 fps for many years, its performance is undeniable for sure, with a 180gr it'd be even better. I'm about to try some 180gr eldm's in it too, easier to get down here in NZ compared to the Bergers
@SikaSeeker I'm running a 180 berger at 3000 out of a 26 inch proof barrel it's an absolute laser beam hammer machine
@charlesmullins3238 easy to do and leaves room to load the heavies long. Hardest part is getting feeding reliable, if going detachable magazine use a 338 lapua magazine since the saum isn't a belted magnum it's case is wider and the belted magnum mags squeeze it and cause feeding problems.
@@SikaSeekernice. Another NZer here. I’m going 7saum next. 20 inch suppressed. 162-168gr.
Semper Fi Guy, great job on the video. I rebarreled my Tikka 270 WSM to the 6.5 PRC this year. I made some custom mods as well. For me the 6.5 PRC is much more comfortable to shoot, no flinching. I am using Berger ammo with the 156 gr elite hunter and it was deadly on my MT mule deer last month at 325 yards.
Amazing bullet!
6.8 Western and 300 WSM fan here.
Have you had good feeding? That has always been my concern with those cases.
@@jfess1911 the 300wsm savage 16fss I have I bought in 2006 has always fed fine no issues. there are even AR 10s chambered in 300wsm.
@@jjmckay6man1 The 300 WSM is a fine cartridge, but too much of a good thing for me.
Glad to hear that your rifle feeds fine. I know that George Gardiner of GA Precision had enough feeding issues with his 6.5 SAUM that he stopped production as soon as the better feeding 6.5 PRC came out. The smaller diameter bullet may be a part of this, though.
@@jfess1911 yes most likely the smaller diameter. 300wsm works fine.
🙋🏽♂️💪🏽 300wsm 3128fps
I know several lifelong hunters and guides that all shoot a 300WSM.
It’ll kill anything with a face without question and only need a 20” barrel.
been using a 300WSM since 2006 and it has yet to not drop animals straight down like Thors hammer lol.
who needs that for deer and smaller? who wants to deal with ammo cost or recoil?
@@keithprinn720one could argue 30-06 is overkill for deer… The guys I know with them have one gun (or it’s the only gun they really shoot anymore) for everything and know it well. Most people will feel very little difference in recoil from a 30-06 and a 300wsm with light for caliber bullets. I have a 270 I swear kicks worse than my 300wsm, purely anecdotal though. Price is negligible especially if you reload or you’re shooting premium ammo.
Whats your purpose when you go hunting ? Im going to shoot, recoil is never felt. @keithprinn720
My wife has a face without question.
It could launch a thousand ships.
I’m not drinking the Hornady Kool Aid. Save the 6.8 Western!
Seems like the 7 SAUM should be in the conversation. Similar BCs and powder charges. Yeah there isn’t really factory ammo for it. But this is Ultimate Reloader.
Fair point lol not ultimate factory ammo
Same with 7wsm, unfortunately it has been abandoned pretty much
I will continue to use my 300 WSM the king of short actions!
Wyoming here. Shooting the 6.5 PRC this year hunting Antelope and Elk. Handload 143 eld-x. One trick I use to help mitigate wind (our wind sock is a heavy chain🤠) is to move so I am shooting directly into the wind. On super windy days this tactic has saved me out past 550 yards.
Head winds or tail winds are a lot easier to mitigate that's for sure. Depend on rotation of barrel it either moves the bullet up or down.
@@greasydot According to Applied Ballistics “aerodynamic jump” only happens with a crosswind. I confirmed this in their AB mobile App (which is the same as my Kestrel with AB). At 700 yards my 6.5 PRC shows 4.1 mils come-up with a 30 mph crosswind. With wind at 30 mph from front or rear, or with wind set to 0 mph it’s 3.8 mils up. So .3 mils or 7.6 inches difference with a crosswind vs 0 inches with no wind or with head or tailwind. Let me know if your ballistic calculator is showing something different and which one you’re using. Thx 🙏
💯- anything over 10mph crosswind over 250yds, I’d rather go 500yds with a headwind.
@@Wallymakesstuff The problem here is the wind speed is never constant. It constantly fluctuates. Another trick I use is I wait for the animal to face “with” the wind and their head down, grazing. Then I aim for the lungs or slightly back. If the wind pushes more than expect I get a shoulder or neck hit. Both lethal. Less, and no harm, still a clean kill. If it pushes far too much, it’s generally a clean miss. This avoids the dreaded gut shot by a bad wind call.
@@MaxairEngineering here in open country Colorado, same thing - I’ve also employed that tactic in variable winds. (If it feels like the max is under 10mph). I’ve learned to like strong winds for open country… it really helps get a good stalk on the animals because the footstep noise is hard for them to hear and we can get a lot closer… but usually try to get a strong headwind shot.
Why are we making an apples to rocks comparison? Compare other short magnums. 300 wsm, 7 saum, 7 wsm, 6.8 western etc. 7 wsm is showing less drop with 140 gn nosler.
6.5 PRC pushing a 156 gr Berger at a 20 shot average velocity of 2999.5 is pretty awesome. Crushed my buck at 750 yards. He was down in under two seconds! Friggin love this round! Light recoil and can reach out and fill the freezer. But obviously I'm doing a lot of range work with this gun ahead of the hunt. Shouldn't even have the mention it but there's Fudds in here.
750 yards is not reasonable for the vast majority of hunters. And is it really hunting when the game is that far away? It’s great marksmanship no doubt And you have that but shouldn’t we try to get closer? The time the bullet is in the air is enough time to make a great shot a bad one
Also where is 300 wsm
It’s so much better than any of these that there’s no comparison, if you can handle a little more recoil.
6.8 western but Hornady sponsors this channel lol
If you can even find a rifle or ammo
@@midwestbd7144 yea it's why I stocked up and got an arc nucleus receiving and a carbon6 barrel
@@midwestbd7144 gonna setup reloading too
@@midwestbd7144rifle is easy, ammo is a toss up, components… those are a different story.
Go blow Backfire.
300 Winchester short magnum
Why not the 270 WSM or the 270 Weatherby Mag....
Great video, Guy! Thanks for the info. 6.5 PRC vs 300 WSM would be a nice comparison to see sometime.
My favorite is 7rsaum. I use one for unlimted class 1000yd benchrest I built. I use to use 7wsm but it was so hard on barrels and my 7rsaum barrels last three times longer even pushing 183gr matchkings 3,020fps with H4831sc. Thats how efficient it is. That cartridge has impressed me so many times in ways more than the 6bra which is saying a lot. 7rsaum basically looks like an upscaled 6BR. I will always have a match rifle chambered in one
6.8 western deserves more attention
How about the 6.5 PRC vs 6.8 Western vs 300 WSM
That would be good. Had a 300 WSM for quite a while and it performed superbly. Haven't messed with a 6.8 Western yet.
Let’s not forget the 270 wsm
300WSM is obviously the king of short action.
This episode brought to you by Hornady. 6.8 western outperforms the 6.5 PRC all the way around.
Lol 6.8 western is doa.
@ numbers are numbers. The western is a killer to the 6.5prc. Hence why Hornady will do nothing to support it.
I'm on a mission to make sure everyone knows 6.8 Western is the king of the short actions. It has the same performance as the 6.5 PRC with a larger diameter bullet. It's better for large animals like Elk. Not much recoil either. Thanks for the video!
Browning and Winchester blew it with the name and the marketing materials. They intentionally chose loads with ballistically inferior bullets for the cartridges to which they compared it, and the name is entirely foreign to the market. Who’s heard of a 6.8? Why call it a western? It isn’t a movie. If they’d called it the .270 O’Conner, it would have burned up the market. But, as the saying goes, you only get one chance to make a first impression, and they blew it.
@@SammyMoore-tg5gs Many people who follow me love it. It's a fine cartridge that actually does what it's advertised to do, unlike the 7 PRC.
It's not. 300wsm is the king.
@@Looscannon94 too much recoil.
LOVE the 6.8 Western.
I base my cartridge selection on the minimum velocity for reliable expansion. I hunt whitetail over large ag fields. With that said, over 350 yards is a long shot on a deer. 6.5 Creed is more than enough for this type of hunt and the lighter recoil allows me to spot my hit and follow the deer. I’ve actually got a Howa Mini 6mm ARC I’m going to try this year. My 6mm ARC has enough velocity to reliably expand out to 600 yards and recoil is similar to .223.
I've been using the hornady precision hunter ammo for the prc so I can have cases to reload. The rifle is a Christensen Ridgeline using the next gen EC tuner. Sub half MOA all day long. I can wait until I can load my own for it.
I've had great success with the 6.5 PRC on speed goats and sheep at distances from 300 to 500 yards.
Good information Guy. I did not realize the 6.5 PRC had more energy than the 308.
The 6.5 PRC is based on the 338 RCM case and has close to the powder capacity of a 30-06.
Look at a chart with 150 to 168gr bullets, it doesnt. He used a freaking bowling ball for the 308 bullet which makes the numbers drop hard and makes the 308 look anemic to the less weight prc class bullets. They always do this to make the 308 look bad, but it gives it a better bc. No one ive ever met hunts with a 308 with a 180gr bullet. Most humter rarely ever hunt over 300yds. If you need reach oit their get a 300wm and put that 180gr bowling ball on it and let it rip.
@@Longtrailside It depends on what you are looking for. If you stay within 300 yards and stick to broadside shots, no big difference for medium game. The drop does not change much, but drop does not really matter if you have a range finder and ballistics table.
If you are hunting Elk and want 1500ft-lbs of energy, a 150 Interlock has an effective range of about 275 yards and the higher-BC 150 SST goes to about 325 yards. The 178 has an effective range of about 425 yards.
Energy numbers at 500 yards are 925ft-lbs @1667fps for the interlock and 1379ft-lbs @1868fps for the 178 ELD-X. I consider that a significant difference. The 150 is marginal for deer at 500 yards.
If you are in an area with winds gusting to 20mph, I suspect the difference will be significant. I will run numbers tomorrow.
178gr bullets are not maximizing the efficiency of the 308 imo. Not a really fair comparison. If they did the comparison again with 150gr, the 308 would’ve looked a lot better. I shoot 138gr - velocity is key for terminal performance.
@@Longtrailside I finally got around to running the ballistics of Hornady's 150gr Interlock vs the 178 ELD-X. By the time you get to 300 yards, the 178 is already 70fps faster and putting out 380ft lbs more energy. With a 20mph crosswind, the 178 has 6.5" less wind drift.
If you go out to 500 yards, the 150 is down to 1636 fps (too slow to reliably open) and 891ftlbs energy while the 178 is still at 1835fps (still mushrooming fine) and 1346 ftlbs. The 150 drifts 23 more inches.
There is absolutely an argument that the man with a 6.5 PRC and a 300WSM, especially as a handloader, does not need any other hunting cartridge for eastern whitetail up to moose.
If I had to choose a short action cartridge I would go with 7 SAUM loaded with 150 to 160 grbullets for deer size animals 180 grain bullets for elk size animals this cartridge is impressively accurate not too much recoil. The only problem is you have to load your own ammo, which is our problem.
As Paul would have said... "There's not enough difference to make a difference.".
Lotta difference in my prc vs buddies creed..he will even admit it
@@charlesmullins3238 What practical difference? You still have to calculate wind holds and hold overs for both. What does your PRC do that his Creedmoor won't do, or the 308 for that difference in a hunting rifle at practical hunting distances?
Neither should be shot much past 400-500 yards in a hunting situation out of hunting rifles.
Saying your friend would shoot a couple of inches too low is the same as saying you'll shoot a couple inches too high.
@@johnwallroff5918 The difference is more in wind calls. You can precisely determine the distance and drop, but wind is always a guess. The same wrong guess with a 6.5 PRC is more likely to be in the vital zone.
@@johnwallroff5918 I think the answer lies in what you call practical hunting distance. For me, a 308 Win or 6.5 Creedmoor, is Practical out to 3-400 yards. (Elk then Deer.) With a 6.5 PRC, 5-600 yards would be practical. 6.8 Western good to 6-700 yards.
Practical changes with the capabilities of the cartridge as well as the hunter.
@@jfess1911 Yes, I'm familiar with the concept of hit probability and how incorrect estimation plays into that.
But even taking that into account... It won't make a difference in hunting rifles at hunting ranges on the type of game that you would hunt with these 3 calibers.
One thing not mentioned is how soft the recoil is on the 6.5 PRC. Suppressed it's only slightly more than a Creed. Which is huge for spotting impact solo hunting! Or longer sessions at the range. Yeah the big 7's ballistically out perform it. But with more recoil.
Another vote for 300wsm.
Impressive results. I used to be a 1000 yd. shooter. I used a 300 win mag. I see the fantastic shots with the 6.5 these days. and cant fault anyone who wants good accuracy with less recoil. Not to throw a wet blanket on you review but when it comes to hunting, I doubt 90 percent of hunters shoot more than 200 yds. That being the case any standard rifle caliber will get the job done.
Guy Miner is Mister Cool!
I’d take a 6.8 western over a 6.5 prc any day of the week, and nothing wrong with a 300 wsm or any wsm for that matter
I've long loved the 300WSM for open country hunting in AK. If I were picking a new rifle today...the 6.5 PRC would be a strong contender.
I sold my 300 wsm and bought a 6.5prc literally last year. The recoil difference is huge. Haven't seen a difference in the two performance wise.
Direct comparison to the 6.5 prc would be the 270wsm, 6.8 western, 7mm wsm, 7mm saum. Have to compare high bc short action magnum cartridges to short action high bc magnum cartridges. Marketing for the 6.5 prc has been comparing apples to oranges. I will tell you both short action magnum 7mm cartridges blow any other short action magnum out of the water in performance. They even get so close to the 300wsm in energy but achieving it in a lot flatter trajectory and less drift it’s a fair trade for a little less energy. The 7mm is really the Goldie locks of short action magnums for performance
I use it use a 270 and open country that hasn’t fail me yet 354.5 yards away deer run, but that was really bullet too on a modest velocity too and it did the job that put him down one shot in his track
6.8 Western King of The Short !!!
King in exile perhaps
Yep, this kind of shows that leave it out is the reason good cartridges die because hornady for some reason wants it gone.
it’s great to have choices
Sure..it is…but these comparisons mean nothing…it’s a pointless exercise of just wanting to be The King Of Being Right.
Shoot a 6.5 PRC…no one cares…Ive just been around this hunting game..and it’s just a game trust me because we don’t hunt to put food b on the table..it’s a game. But far far too many really don’t know how to use any particular chambering. The ifs and and’s…POI when humidity is at a certain percentage or ambient temperature..heat rises..!
The reality is always this..”Ethical Shooting Distance “…just because a deer is standing broadside at 500 yards verified by a reliable range finder..doesn’t mean anyone “Should” take such a shot. Because it’s unethical..!! Too many variables to guarantee a one shot “Clean Ethical Kill”.
I’ve stopped hunting with a couple of knotheads because they were reckless in taking far far too long of shots when I stressed to them not to do so.Yes!! I’ve had to help track down gut shot deer because of these A Holes pulling such a stunt! A couple of times the animals were never located because of poor shot placement hence..former hunting companions.
There you have it.
@@BusterBibb practicing at distance and finding your limits is key. And setting a distance that you know you can consistently hit. There’s nothing wrong with having better equipment to help hunters make more ethical kills. Using modern bullets with higher BC helps with hit probability. You forgot to mention the biggest factor of shooting is wind, after knowing your distance. PERIOD. Get out and practice in the wind, it will humble most hunters to set a closer limit at which they should shoot. Glad you stopped hunting with the knuckle heads.
Yes the wind…a cold stiff minus 0 wind chill on a Colorado mesa or mountainside..or!! out in sage brush country…well that will put a serious glitch in a braggarts crawl.
Brrrrrrr..and it hurts too that cold!! I know! 12 years was my last stint stay wise in Colorado..was very close to far eastern Utah and Jesus!! Talk about the wind!!
Well..not as bad as Wyoming from Baggs to I 80 over to Rawlins and east….that shit will will put a serious hurt on your accuracy!!
@@BusterBibb settle down, Elmer. Go sit in your rocking chair. We’ll get your afghan and your slippers.
@@BusterBibb meat is the only reason I hunt. I could give 2 craps about bone lol. Go get them antibiotic and growth hormone filled meat. You can have it.
.300WSM is by far the King of short action. It’s not even close.
I have 6.5 prc I took last year on my first elk hunt next time I will take 270wsm or 300wsm
Great Video, very informative. For hunting, in addition to the 6.5 PRC (I shoot w 140, 150 grain Accubonds w/ some Siroccos), I also shoot the standard 270 Win, 270 WSM, 6.8 Western, 7mm Rem Mag, 300WSM (very under rated cartridge, love this cartridge) and 300 Win Mag. You guys should check out the 6.8 Western. With its 7.5 to 8 twist, it can carry a bunch of energy down range with high BC bullets, relatively low re-coil and very good accuracy its getting a following. Ultimate Reloader should check it out, maybe do a video on the 6.8 Western. I have not tried a 7mm PRC nor have I tried a 300 PRC. On my list to try out!!
PS: Maybe Winchester comes out with a 7.62 Western. Their cartridge engineering has been very good over the years and could give the Hornady PRC line up a run for their money.
I thought that while you can use a short action with 6.5 prc with longer bullets can be a tad too long to mag feed?
6.8 western is way better than the prc in terms of hunting application!!!
This is true. The 6.5PRC is limited to much lighter bullets than the 6.8W.
Great round , only drawback is ammo and finding compenents
@@kevinli9331 define way better? The 6.5 prc with factory berger 156gr ammo is a ballistic match to the 6.8 with 170gr ammo... with less recoil and a higher sectional density..
It’s bigger.
@Rackpack-mb4ml agree... this prc haters just don't get it...
Why is the most underrated cartridge of the century in here the 300WSM!!!!
Would love to see the grouping of the CX bullets!!
I have both the 6.5prc and the 7saum, love them both, both have muzzle brakes but the recoil is definitely harder with the 7saum although not bad. For whatever reason I shoot the 6.5prc better especially out in the field. 6.5prc is a Christiansen arms mesa, 7saum is a remington 700, I load hornady eld-x and cx bullets for both, killed a bunch of deer and antelope plus a couple of elk with both, favorite one changes from day to day!!! Downside to the 7saum is I haven't seen new brass for years and there hasn't been any new data published in years. Loaded ammunition, good luck.
270 wsm shooting 145g eldx at 3000fps love it !!!
7 Saum ftw 🙌🏼
After a couple of builds and some high end factory rifles I have settled on what is my perfect mountain rifle for here in Australia and New Zealand. The rifle will be used on hunts up to and including Sambar Deer.
I too, went short action because of the efficiency.
But did something that I think more people should consider. Given as you say in the video the scarcity of many components I wanted to stick with a cartridge that is a proven and reasonably popular factory cartridge.
I sourced a PROOF Research semi-sendero 24 inch barrel in 0.284" with a 1 in 8.25 twist. This ended up as 7mm08 Remington throated to suit 162 Grain ELDMs (taking into account the lower muzzle velocity).
My load groups consistent 0.5 MOA at 2650fps. In a rifle weighing just under 7 pounds scoped (lighter rings would shave another 100 grams of this, it is a pleasure to shoot. And uses less than 42 grains of powder per shell.
On this theme in standard action, how about a 270 Winchester with a faster twist barrel that can shoot 160 grain projectiles?
We aren't taking advantage of modern powders, projectile design and tougher brass in already existing cartridges.
I used to have the 6.5 Remington Mag.. which is almost an identical comparison!
The 6.5 PRC would be welcome at my house 😊
And by that you mean the 264WinMag is inferior..??..?? Ever shoot a 264 Mag? Chrono the loads? Load for accuracy and by the way…a 264 WinMag is a highly accurate round..though like any rifle barrel is everything…mostly…we’ll just like sny rifle yo shoot well it needs to be built right so…
Again…if it’s not broke…..eh?
@@BusterBibb nope.. I'm referring to a short action cartridge that preceded the 6.5 PRC.. and offered a near identical comparison.
The 264 Winchester mag is another great cartridge.. but it's not a short action cartridge!
300 WSM. Now that Alpha is making cases for them, will probably see them on the 1000 yard line again.Still have the record fur the smallest group at 1000 yards.o
Big .025 wssm fan also!
Why would you compare a 143 gr bullet to a 178 gr 308. Why would you not use a 150 or 165 gr for the 308.
Because a 150gr 308 bullet has a horrible bc when compared to the 143... he picked the better bullet to compare.
Because they have similar ballistic coefficients and sectional density.
Because they are too stupid to understand simple physics and gravity. The heavier slower bullet is going to be slower and drop faster down range. 143 to 178 grain bullet is absurd! Try a 150 grain Barnes TTSX in 308, start them off on about equal footing. That Barnes bullet starts out about 2900 feet per second. And it’s only 7 grains heavier than the 143. That would be a far better comparison.
The 178 ELD-X is has about the best numbers for long range. The other bullets would look worse.
Bull shit!
Nothing there to make me deviate from my 7mm WSM as I reload. For those that do not the PRC maybe the way to go.
6.8 Western!
More case capacity and heavier bullets, yep!!!
Not on this channel 😂
Personally I prefer my 7 SAUM with 168’s cruising along at 2950 fps over my 6.5 PRC, especially for front range Mule Deer and Elk.
I love my Weatherby First Lite Vanguard in 6.5 PRC. My 14 yr old daughter dropped her elk at 400yds wiith it.
300 SAUM was my first ever rifle and still my favorite. Too bag it never caught on.
I'm headed to Wyoming in 2 weeks for an Antelope hunt, primary rifle is a Howa Carbon 1500 in 6.5 PRC and back up rifle is a CVA Cascade in 308. Honestly the 308 shots better groups.... .35" 3 shot group at 100 yards with factory Hornady Whitetails. The PRC is a little more picky on which factory loads it likes better. I get the advantage of higher BC, but dang my 308 shots lights out. Great info as always, thanks
Another vote for 300wsm and 7SAUM over the 6.5PRC
I’ll still keep my model 70 in 300WSM. Even thought about buying a 270 WSM and getting into reloading. Could probably compete with the 6.5 PRC.
I have not found anything in North America that isn’t a grizz or Moose that my 308 can’t handle, definitely be dipping into a 6.5 prc soon tho. Great video
I've never seen a grizzly or moose laugh off a 308.
I've got both, I've taken deer with both. They're pretty close in performance in person. My .308 completely collapsed my prize buck. He dropped like a rock, chest shot at 75 yards. My 6.5 prc dropped a 7 point at 125 yards, double lung shot, blew him over. He almost looked like he was gonna flip over. I sold my 300wsm last year and bought the prc. It's on my bucket list to hunt elk and moose at some point. I bought the 300 wsm for that one day, but I found the recoil was crazy. I'm not a big guy. I way 155lbs soaking wet, I could still group it, but not what I wanted to "fear" in the heat of the moment. I can handle a box of 7 rem mag without flinching, so I bought the prc for a really good deal. I will say, though, it's more recoil than people claim. I've got a Mossberg patriot, and it weighs 8lbs with a loaded mag and Vortex 4x12 scope. It kicks less like a .270 and more like a .30-06 shooting 180gr. Still very controllable, but not what I would want my son to grow up shooting.
I like the premise of the 6.5 PRC
But back in '93 I traded my built 6.5 Sweed for a custom built in 6.5/06. Brass is plentiful and I can send same 120 Pro-hunters near 3300 fps instead of 2600. Later 142 Sierras were worked up to 3050 and sub MOA. Love this rifle!!
Doing over today, Id buy a 6.5PRC or a 6.5RPM.
I'd say 6.8 western is the superior short action open country cartridge.
Terrible bullet selection for long range.
And 300WSM is better than 6.8 western for hunting 😎
@@MrMalicious5if you ignore the offerings from sierra berger and nosler then that’s true
@@MrMalicious5what?😂
@MrMalicious5 literally offered in factory loadings with the accubond long range projectile 😂
Winchester perfected the short action with the WSM series. And better yet is the newest addition to the WSM fam, the 6.8 western!
I just made my first kill with 6.5 PRC on an Antalope with handloads and 127 Barnes LRX.
Why no 6.8 western?!
Im not a smart man, but I can see a sponsorship when it is obvious, and Hornady definitely paid for this one.
Well they are trying to sell PRC, it's a good cartridge.
But I don't know why they didn't just pick a 6.5-284N or a 6.5-GAP-4S and just sell that?
The PRC is in a smaller capacity.
I can only see availability beeing an issue with the PRC though, as long as it's a readily available brass it is the better choice.
It's brass is fairly easy to get a hold of now.
I sure enjoy my 325 WSM…
Yeah but it doesnt have all the fanfare of facy cope-bullets
300 wsm is Cabernet Sauvignon
While on paper it looks better things like recoil are also important. Excessive recoil can create bad habits, make finding your shot in the scope harder and can make you want to increase the weight of your rifle which can be counter intuitive for hunters. Using backfire TVs recoil chart PRC has 182.66 fl lbs of muzzle energy per ft lb of free recoil. Compared to creedmores 227.04 meaning you get 10% more recoil efficiency while maintaining a similar range and lethality. 100% PRC has less drop and more range but at what cost. And I get not everyone a hunter or backpacks but this is a strong conversation for many
I shoot a 6.5 cm in a heavy range gun and my hunting rifle is a much lighter 6.5 PRC. Coming from a 280 Ackley for hunting I find the PRC to be a dream to shoot when it comes to recoil.
Did you consider 7mm08 it out does the 308?
Seems like the 6.5 PRC is like reinventing the wheel in its doing the same thing that the old 264 Winchester magnum has been doing the only difference is barrel twist which if you could put a 1-8 twist in the 264 Winchester they look very similar in ballistics
Everything is a reinvention. The 30-06 isn't the original. 30 caliber. The 6.5 Creedmoor isn't the original 6.5mm. I could say only the 6.5x55 is acceptable every other 6.5mm is nonsense. You see where this gets illogical.
@@Manbunmen65 what I was getting at is that the 6.5 PRC just duplicates the 264 Winchester magnum at the same velocity with the same weight of bullets
The 264 Win mag was part of the "light bullet, fast and flat" generation and has significantly more powder capacity (around 82 grains of water vs 68). I would consider the 264 Win Mag as a true magnum. The 6.5 PRC is closer to a tweaked 6.5mm-06. The 264 WM would brute-force its way past the PRC at traditional hunting distances but probably fall behind somewhere beyond 400 yards. You could update the 264 WM, but it would need a magnum (ie, longer than 30-06) action/magazine, faster twist barrel and improved chamber. Oh and custom ammo. The only thing left of the original 264 Mag would be the case. At some point, it would stop being the cartridge that was introduced in 1959.
It's about off-the-shelf rifles. Affordable rifles with the right chamber and twist. The older cartridges are fine but need a custom to get the most out of them.
You should compare short action magnums
I wish UR would disclose all their advertorials.
I have both 300wsm n 6.5PRC and are both awesome. However I always grab my 300WSM 99% of the time, it’s def my fav caliber of all time for anything and everything, 7WSM would be sweet but brass hunting is a task
I love my 7mm wsm been my primary big game rifle for 21 years. Do have a 300wsm but I just prefer the 7mm
7mm WSM is an outstanding cartridge and deserved a better fate.
@@guyminer2384it is the best of the wsm’s performance wise. It dam near matches 300wsm at long range and flatter
@@nickb8618 - ya a buddy of mine hunted extensively with a custom 7 WSM when it was a new cartridge. Accurate and effective for sure.
I own a 6.5 prc. It's great for hunting. Especially if you hand load. However the downside is it's really a medium length cartridge being built on short actions. It not always possible to get appropriate bullet seating depths due to mag length limitations with certain bullets such as berger vlds. Hornady eldx seem fine as do sierra game kings. Berger hybrids should work fine. 3000fps in 140 gr bullets is great. With that I still preferred my 260 AI. I can get same velocity, cheaper brass, less powder and longer barrel life. But you have to fire form. All in all the 6.5 prc gives me 260 AI performance and I can buy factory ammo too. Great cartridge.
The biggest disadvantage is barrel life not recoil.a light 308 with stout powder charge on 178 or other hevyish bullet kicks as much as 6.5 prc. On my second prc barreled b14 and love the cartridge. George other brainchild 6 gt is getting built by him as we speak.love what u and Gavin are doing I’ve been following Gavin from very beginning.My next barrel will b chambered by gaven super impressed with what y’all do
I have a handful of .308s. And I like them for different reasons. Probably the easiest was the cheapest. TC Compass II. Now in an Oryx chassis and an Airtech slip-on.
But my new favorite for everything, including open country hunting, such as mule deer and elk, is the 7 PRC. So, yes, I have become a Hornady fan boy. And while the .300 PRC might be a bit much for me, I could easily have gone with the 6.5 PRC but did not because I thought .308 was enough, especially for short distances, which it is.
I think i will stick with my 270wsm in a short action i think the 270wsm speed can over come the 6.5 prc's higher BC.
Guy I love my 6.5 x .284 Norma. There just not enough advantage for me been a hand loaded to buy into the PRC .Its a great cartridge and if I didn’t have all the components already it would be great one to buy for a first time buyer. Good work up of cartridges Thanks
6.5prc is only a step up if you keep the barrel long. My 24” barrel 6.5cm has the same ballistics as a 20” barrel 6.5prc.
Great info, but why in the world did you leave off felt recoil numbers........
6.5 prc is a good cartridge but doesn't hold a candle to 300 wsm, 7mm wsm, 270 wsm, 6.8 western, or the saums and Sherman's
Given the lengths to which a short action is tortured to admit a 6.5 PRC, I don't consider it a true short action round. If I can't load it to 2.8" OAL, it's not really short action.
It's still a good cartridge, but even better in a more honest medium action.
I agree that they fibbed a bit, but the case is the same length as the 260 Rem, so it can be loaded into a standard short action. On the Hornady podcast about the 6.5 PRC, they discussed the fact that the cartridge was more of an intermediate length with longer bullets. Winchester called the same length 6.8 Western a short action because the Model 70 short action could always handle a 3" cartridge. I think that Savage's short action is about the same. From what I understand, the 2.955" COAL was chosen because it fits the popular AICS magazine.
When you want precision long range hunting cartridge 6.5 prc is king perfect balance of velocity, energy less wind drift recoil that is so a little old lady could shoot deer 500 yards I have 6.5 prc and 6.5 creed more in Bergera hmr pro rifles with 4x16x50 Zeiss scopes on both . 6.5 prc is my open hunting rifle .I see no difference in recoil shooting just 6.5 prc is alot louder . 6.5 prc shoots really accurate for precision shooting at game with alot more energy down range is my favorite .Brass and ammo definitely is alot more then creedmore which is only thing I didn't like about 6.5 prc and gun only holds 3 cartridges
300wsm Tikka is amazing.
Would you consider shots longer than 600 yards? I live and hunt elk / deer in ID and currently shoot a 7mm rem mag. Accuracy (and flinch) are an issue for longer shots. It averages 1.5-2.0 MOA which would limit the range I can accurately shoot a deer to 500 yards (10:" vital). I am considering a 6.5 PRC but am not sure if its worth it based on a 600 yard max shot. It seems like a PRC should be easier to get to shoot accurately with factory ammo, and I would appreciate the lighter recoil than the 7mag. At 600 yards, even the 6.5 creedmoor has enough energy for deer, but elk would limit my range to 400 yards. The creedmoor would be the easiest of all to shoot accurately.
Can you do a comparison to 300WSM?
243 Winchester gets it for me.
Its definitely not the most powerful round of any of these rounds, but its versatile enough to hunt varmint, deer, do some long range work (1k-1500 if you have enough barrel with the right loads) and do it all with a meager 35-40 grains of powder in a ubiquitous 308 parent case.
It also fits into an AR10 platform with 20 round capacity for a fantastic DMR (Dedicated Marksman's Rifle) and even a Semi Auto Sniper System, if one were so inclined. AR10s with Free-floated barrels are exceptional in accuracy if quality parts and expert care are used in its construction. I see consistent 0.25-0.3 MOA accuracy in mine.
Velocity is also a very important consideration when shooting at moving targets. A quarter of a second in travel time can easily equate to a miss or bad hit if the target moves.
Very tempted to buy a 6.5prc, but i ahould not give to much care to the hype. I have 300wsm tikka for short action long range. I use 180gr sp interlock. Loving it.
Definitely not the king of open country short action hunting. 6.8 Western, 7 SAUM and 300 WSM just a few that immediately come to mind. I have been running a 6.8 Western and it matches my 6.5 PRC for trajectory with the 165 ABLR but surpasses it with energy and frontal diameter.
6.5x300 WBY. King of every action!
Shooting game at ethical distances make these comparisons a none issue, if you understand the ballistics of your ammo.
what distance is an ethical shot? say for deer?
“Ethical” is 90% dependent on your skill. I lve seen people that shouldn’t shoot 100 yards and others than are plenty accurate at 600
@@midwestbd7144 So I killed a coues deer near the Mexican border last fall. 1 shot 550 yds with 6.5 prc 143 ELDX. At those distances these comparisons are 100% relevant. A 308 at these distances don’t have enough velocity to property expand most bullets. the 6.5 prc does.
Don’t put your skill limits on me.
3000 fps out of my 20" prc shooting .5 moa suppressed. Components aren't as easy to find as creed, but prc is a big step up! 6.8 western is very interesting, but the market support is so far behind prc.
hand loads? I can’t touch 3k fps with factory ammo 20” barrel
@gone4days956 yes, it's hot but it's within hornady book numbers
@@ABa40032 that’s the advantage of hand loading for sure 👍🏻
Market isn’t behind 6.8 western because Hornady won’t back it since it’s not their cartridge. They don’t want to lose any market share to it.
@@laneware3276 yep and it’s unfortunate. Barnes is looking like they are going to do factory loads for it finally. And Berger has been mulling it over for a while. If they do that means Lapua is potentially on board for brass. That could change the game big time.
Just got back from the range fellow Devil Dog! I also use retumbo with 150gr LR Accubonds in my wife's Browning XBolt 26" barrel. Excellent results on Elk. Just worked up a load with 140gr Accubonds using retumbo. Also a Browning XBolt Pro 26" barrel. Going to use that on Pronghorn, Mule Deer, Spike and Cow Elk this year.
Best of luck this season! If you're handloading those great bullets and getting range time, you're making your own good luck!
I’ve got several loads worked up for whitetail but 130tmk is the one I wanna try…3220fps 24” carbon waypoint. H4350
6.8 western is my go to short action for the hills and plains in the SouthWest
I love the 6.5 PRC! But the 25 PRC is superior in every aspect. It has better ballistics than any other short mag cartridge. It's flatter and bucks wind better than a 6.8 western and even the 7 PRC. King of the short magnums!