What It Means to Be An Evangelical United Methodist
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2024
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There were many memorable moments during the July 18 meeting in Atlanta that spurred more than 100 leading pastors and theologians to issue the statement "Integrity and Unity." For the participants, the most inspirational portion of the day was when the Rev. Rob Renfroe, president of Good News, delivered a stirring presentation on what it means to him to be an evangelical United Methodist.
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Amen, brother Rob! I am like you a Christian, Orthodox, Evangelical and Wesleyan. And I am proud of the truth and of your declaration. The UMC is very much well worth fighting for! God bless you brother Rob and peace be with you always!
As a fellow Christian, I totally agree with this message. There is much compromise in the Body of Christ across the USA. I think about the Word spoken by Christ Jesus - "a little leaven, leavens the whole loaf." In many ways worldliness is seen from the East coast to the West coast, from the Northern most border to the Southern most border. God spoke in His Word: "Be ye holy, as I am holy." We also see in Scripture: "Do not be conformed to this world {age}, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, so that you may discern what is the will of God--what is good and acceptable and perfect." Rob is not being judgmental, but he is calling for every Christian to return to the true orthodoxy of our faith.
Very well said! Yes Rob I am a CHRISTian! A Christ follower, NOT a religion follower. Religions don't save people, Jesus does. Thank you for this!
oh oh, how deep and smart - it seems you are in the need of getting ridd of your anti-catholic bigotry?
He is very very well spoken . He makes good points, and forces you to think. After hearing this, a personal decision has to be made. Thank you for making me reflex on my own personal convictions.
Rob, I was raised a UMC pastor's son. You may even know of him. He served in the North GA Conference, ordaining pastors. His name is Herbert Owen. I received Christ at the age of 41, and consequently had many discussions with my father about the truth of Scripture and the Gospel. My father was a victim of the Higher Criticism movement that laid siege to Emory and other Wesleyan seminaries in the 1960's. Before he died, my father, knowing that I was a fierce opponent of the liberal theology that has ransacked the UMC, asked me to speak at his funeral. I preached the Biblical Gospel at my father's funeral in a United Methodist church. I preached that all have sinned before a Holy God. I preached that all deserve punishment in Hell as the penalty for our sins. I preached that God in His grace sent His only Son Jesus Christ to suffer the punishment we deserve for our sins, that he died in our place so that God could forgive us if we repent of our sin and place our faith in Christ. There was, in that sanctuary, an air of personal offense at the Gospel of Jesus Christ so thick you could cut it with a knife. Few people talked with me at the end of the service. Only one person thanked me that I preached the truth. The pastor of that local congregation, and another important member of the UMC clergy that was invited to participate in my father's funeral kept their distance from me, and did not speak to me after the service. Rob, it is my firm conviction that the UMC has little by little, given itself over to the world, through its refusal to submit to the authority and sufficiency of God's Word as plainly revealed in Holy Scripture. The UMC bowing the knee to homosexual marriage is simply the latest symptom of a spiritual disease that began infiltrating Methodism long ago, when pastors and leadership began to raise culturally inspired "traditions" above Scripture. I would posit, that, the disease began when Methodists, out of fear of repudiation by modern society, began to agree with modern culture, that there is somehow a spark of goodness in all mankind. In short, Humanism. Here is the root of the problem of Methodism, a bad seed that will continue to twist and distort the truth of the Gospel, unless it is rooted out, and the problem is this ... modern Methodist doctrine refuses to receive, believe, and teach, this clear Biblical truth, that all people are born " dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind" (Eph 2:1-3). Modern Methodism refuses the doctrine of original sin, and therefore, modern Methodism, no matter the lip service, sees no real, literal need for all people to be saved from the wrath of God. Methodists pastors are afraid to preach this truth for fear of rejection from the culture that surrounds them. God will never honor the teaching, and "evangelistic" efforts of the UMC, as long as they refuse to preach what Scripture teaches, that all men are born dead in trespasses and sins, and without faith in Christ will experience eternal punishment in Hell. The culture has, and always will, hate this Biblical truth. But it is this very truth, that makes so precious the truth of Christ's Gospel, that God has provided a way to be saved from the wrath of God, through faith in the atoning work of Christ, who suffered the wrath of God on the Cross, in the place of sinners, so that by faith in Christ's atoning work on the Cross, this glorious Gospel, that was given to all people by the grace of God, we might be saved. Without the Biblical preaching of the problem of original sin, and the penalty of eternal punishment for sin in Hell, there is no need for a Savior. And if there is no need for a Savior from God's wrath, well ... then all the UMC can be is ... exactly what the culture wants it to be .... a nice place where you can hear that God loves you no matter what, and where God affirms your cultural identity, whether it be homosexuality, or female pastors, or "making the world a better place" with cries of "justice" and "equality for all", a "liberation from oppressive political powers" , and declarations that affirm that God is for you and never against you, and that Jesus just wants you to know that He "feels your pain" because He also "suffered injustice" at the hands of those who refused to believe that God just wants to "affirm everyone" and show His liberating love and joy and peace and goodwill and harmony and justice to everyone without ever shaming them with talk of sin or idolatry, etc, etc. That is NOT the Gospel. But unfortunately, that is the false Gospel that modern Methodism preaches. Unless there is repentance of this false social gospel by the UMC, and a new commitment to preach the Biblical doctrines of original sin, the penalty of everlasting punishment in Hell for those who do not repent and believe, and the truth of the Gospel, that Jesus died in the place of sinners, suffering on our behalf the wrath of God that we all deserve, paying our sin debt in full, so that God can forgive those who repent of their sin and trust in Christ's atoning work, unless the UMC repents and begins preaching the Biblical truth of sin and salvation in Christ ..... then justifiably the UMC is not, and cannot be called a "church of the Lord Jesus Christ", but simply a "church" of the world, devoid of any real message of God's truth, and devoid of any real message of salvation. At the point that you Rob, and others who are troubled like you, at what they see the UMC has in reality become, at that point .... when you see that unless they repent, the UMC is a lost cause, that has long ago been given over to the world, at that point .... we will welcome you, and invite you to consider, that the confessional Lutheran Church, not the liberal ELCA, but the confessional Lutheran Church, such as the LCMS, has been fighting to hold on to the "faith, once for all delivered to the saints", with the Apostles and their teachings as the foundation, and Jesus Christ as the Cornerstone. Keep fighting. I admire you greatly for your perseverance. But Rob, it is the core of the apple, the compromised and contaminated doctrine that is the problem. Its a bad seed. Once you realize that, come home ... we'll be waiting. Christ forever! ... Phil
The United Methodist Church is at a crossroads. This message needs to be shared. Pray for revival!
Yes, Rob. I am like you. I agree with you on all fronts, and I look at this sad situation as MY fight too. I will do everything within the powers and the blessings God has given me to defend our church and the Gospels to my last breath. ❤🙏❤
I was United Methodist a long time... It was 1980 to 2013. I left because of the failures.... It sad to see it fall apart. We need more pastor like you. If the United Methodist get back to what you say, I could come back....
Well said. This could never have gotten so out of control if good people had the courage to speak up for what is right.
Thank you Rob! This was truly nourishing an renewing to my soul! On my best days, yes, I am like you... I am a Christian!
I have gone to churches of different denominations, and just recently have visited the Methodist church. I am a Christian... and this reached to the very core of my being. I am like you.
Thank you brother Rob. I have been a Wesleyan Christian all my life. I have been preaching since I was 17 years old. I retired from full time service 15 years ago.. I continued to pastor churches as a retiree until two years ago. I was dismissed because I was shaking the boat too much with my sermons condemning abortion, homosexuality, and other hot potatoes, (my belief). My heart breaks as I see the most perfect Christian teaching ( Wesleyan teaching) diminishing among us. Holed the rope brother. DonaldClarkSermons Utube.
Very well said. All my life, I was raised in a Baptist church without knowing how to live my life in those boundaries. I LOVE being a Christian! Yes, Jesus Christ is still the hope of this saddened world. With all my heart I believe that. The Baptist church I came from, had tons of singing, dancing, @ screaming foolishly to impress no one. THE main reason why I go to church, is to hear the good, holy word from the Holy Bible. To be fortified for the rest of the week. I do pray to Almighty God every chance I get. With NO fear, and NO shame!! Finally, I'm looking for someone to pray with. On Earth, I'm alone. Thank You.
I couldn't agree more! Very well and powerfully said. Count me in, I will stand for the historic faith and the Wesleyan view of faith. It is too precious to be lost to those who would follow the culture.
Amen! And thanks...
"Friend to all and enemy of none" the basics of Methodism are truly Christian. A wonderful calling of the Holy Spirit.
This is one of the best and most encouraging messages I have heard in a long time. FANTASTIC JOB!!! Keep up the good work.
I agree totaly with u!! I am glad by your testimony.
To see a testimony of faith like yours , give to me hope for American Methodism. I am Brazilian and a Bishop, in conference, called every ministers to pray for United Methodist Church for Alive. You should know that u are not alone!! We are praying by your Church. But the Brazilian church is not perfect , our Church has many problems and I ask u: help us in pray. When we pray God makes the Impossible.
Thank u Very much for your testimony!! God bless reverend!!
I'm greeting from Brazil.
I grew up in the Methodist Church before it became the United Methodist Church in 1968. I come from generations of Methodists. But first, I am a Christian. I am on the same page as you and for a number of years I have been wondering if I have been alone in my belief within the United Methodist Church. In 2010 I worked with a UMC minister on a volunteer project in South America and when I quoted "I Am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by Me," his resoponse was, "Well, I think I would interpret that differently than you." I could only groan inwardly and shake my head at the fact that here was a pastor of a flock and that was his belief.
Regardless of the UMC´s policy of ´The Revised Standard Version´ of the Bible, I adhere to the ´Authorized King James Version´. I believe in it and trust in it as have my father and generations past - so do my children and grandchildren. I believe in the Bible as literal and not allegory.
I have been a Volunteer in Missions with the UMC and out of the U.S. for almost eight years. I am not a "paid" employee of Global Missions by my own choice. I, like you Rob, am Christian, orthodox, evangelical and Wesleyan in that order. As my Dad said, "It´s not the denomination which saves you, it´s Jesus."
I both thank you for this presentation, for it has refreshed me, and I encourage you to continue the good fight while there is still time. I know not what the outcome of this year´s General Conference will be, but I pray that the United Methodist Church will get back on the course of The Great Commission and preach the full Gospel with conviction regardless of the cultural pressures and "political correctness".
in Jesus Christ,
Walt Mellown
So, you believe in talking snakes and donkeys? You believe god asked Abraham to kill his son? You believe God made a rule to stone women whom entered the temple on their period?
"Unity without integrity is no unity at all." Well, said, Pastor Renfroe!
I am very much like you. With love, I am fighting for the United Methodist Church I have grown to love over many years.
Thank you Pastor Renfroe! I am like you! Thank you for standing up for the truth! God Bless You!
Im a Baptist and I totally agree w/ this man.Great message.
Amen, Rob! I am also an evangelical United Methodist, and I am also afraid for our denomination. Keep strong in the faith and keep fighting for us to turn back to true Wesleyan discipleship!
I am in total agreement with Rob. I too am seeking and maintaining a relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ not a religion. Every person, everything in this world we call Planet earth has been created by God Almighty and should be preserved for the future of our children and their children. The Wesleyan movement can join with all denominations to join the relationship with Jesus. It is all about God, now and the future.
The Christian life is a fighting one. Thanks so much for the encouragement to remain steadfast in this fight. And at the end, we will all sing the song "we are overcomers" in Jesus Most Excellent name, Amen!!
AMEN...I'm a non denominational pastor, and I'm Fundamental. I am glad I took 18 minutes of my evening to here your testimony. I agree with you 110%. God bless you brother.
I am so glad I was prompted by a FB group to re-watch this today. Amen! I should probably download it before it is taken down.
Thank God for your message, Rob. Very eloquent. I am like you, no need to wonder.
Buckle up Rob it's going to get Rough. The world is on the move and as far as they are concerned believers are in the way. Thanks be to God, he has already overcome the world. Ray
I respect my pastor but I wish he spoke with half the commitment and obvious concern that this pastor demonstrates.
Rob, I know you pretty well.... and I want to be more like you in many ways. May the Lord hear our prayers for the United Methodist Church. I love it just like you do - and I pray that God will lead us into a future that is faithful and fruitful for God's glory. Thanks for sharing as you always do - from the heart. Keith
Very well said much respect Rev. Rob, keep up the good fight...
This is a powerful Word from God to His children. Everyone in the Methodist Denomination should listen to this Brother. The Word of God CANNOT be compromised or CHANGED to make it feel good for everyone. God has given His Word to allow us to know He loves us, and there is a way to walk that is pleasing to him and the ONLY WAY to HIM is JESUS. The Bible says we are not to add or take away one word from it. Cross your t's and dot your i's! He made one man and one woman and set in place His order for the family! Lord bless this Brother and his message to us in this hour! Lord please cover him with Your precious Grace and Peace let Mercy flow around him and the true Methodist church! We will never cave in the evil in this world, in Jesus precious name, Amen and Amen 🙏 🙌
thank you for sharing.. I agree it is worth fighting for....Jesus Christ is the Savior of the World...
Yes
This was epic!
I live for an audience of One.
I will stand for an audience of One.
For none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself.
For whether we live,
we live unto the Lord;
and whether we die,
we die unto the Lord:
whether we live therefore,
or die,
we are the Lord's.
For to this end Christ both died,
and rose,
and revived,
that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Do you belong to us?
Thanks, keep spurring the Church on. To help some people to stand, some people just need to know that they don't stand alone. Ray
First of all, Rob, it is refreshing to hear a theologian (someone who studies who God is and how he deals with the terrible emergency of sin) who is passionate about what he believes.
Not that I would mind, but nobody has ever accused me of being a methodist. So you you decide to not read further, I'll understand. I have attended enough methodist services, however (United Methodist, Free Methodist, Wesleyan and Nazarene) and read enough methodist seminary textbooks to be able to offer you a perspective I hope you will find helpful.
Some people think of religious organizations or denominations as "the lengthened shadow of a man". Another and less favorable way of expressing that idea is to refer to religious organizations or denominations as "personality cults".
I think of the methodist movement as an idea--the idea that, as surely as justification is by grace alone through faith alone (there is nothing we can do to earn it or deserve it), so sanctification is by grace alone through faith alone (there is nothing we can do to earn it or deserve it). It is God's gift to us--not our gift to God.
The result of these God-given gifts is that believers do things that might be considered "good". Which, in turn, draws the criticism that the believers are doing "good works" to earn the approbation of the almighty.
If I understand what little I know of what John Wesley taught, he taught that sanctification is both an event and a process.
I am acquainted with some of the writings of a former methodist who lived in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and who wrote against what I consider to be a perversion of methodist dcotrine, namely, the tendency to focus so much on the "event" of sanctification as to virtually deny that sanctification is a process. I don't currently know any methodists who make that "mistake" but I have known some in the past.
It is possible, of course, that I misunderstand the movement. But if it is what I think it is, the methodist movement will endure until the Lord returns--regardless of what methodist organzations do or fail to do.
There is only one true church. It consists of all true believers, regardless of our denominational affiliation. The methodist movement has made an important contribution to the church but, if I were a methodist, I think I would urge that methodists refocus on the movement to such an extent as to cease from even using the phrase, "methodist church" (with or without capital letters). I "believe in" organization in the sense that organizations can do things (or do them more efficiently) than Christians can do them without organization. Organization, however, is not the church. Believers are the church.
I have been acquainted with United Methodists who, when asked, "What should we (Christians) do about (a given situation) have answered in terms of what we (Christians) "should" get the government to do. Perhaps that has become do prevalent in your denomination that the trend cannot be reversed. I hope not. But I think you might find it encouraging to focus on the idea that created the methodist movement rather than focusing on existing methodist organisations.
*1 Peter 1: 19-20*
“He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God. God chose Him for this purpose long before the world began, but now in these final days, He was sent to the earth for all to see. And He did this for you.”
Good sermon! I'll be sharing it. Thanks for this.
Awesome message.Thank you Rob.
AMEN,,,, prayin' for the EVANGELICAL FACTIONS GOD BLESS 'yall
My name is Tim and I believe as you do Rob. I see changes happening in the UMC and it sickens me that God's Word has to be voted on. In changing the Book Of Discipline you're also going to have to change the Bible. There's not been any major changes to the BOD since 1972 and this part should never even been considered. SIN IS SIN! And always will be. Change is coming and it's not going to be pretty. GOD FORGIVE US!
Thank you. my great grandfather came to Canada from England and on the ship records, they were Methodists. It has me on a journey
Thank you, Brother ⭐✨🌹✨⭐ WORD!!!
Just beautiful my brother, I love the "audience of one" part. I'm with ya, social justification of sin is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Unity and Integrity . Christians should beware the two edge sword of our Lord Jesus in His letter to pergamum.
Well said Rob. I’m with you!
Excellent video! I stand with you 100%!
Amen and amen. Thank you for this.
Amen, Rob, to all you are saying!
My Name Is Mike - A Methodist - ordained FOR LIFE! - I stand by Scriptural Holiness the makes for scriptural Wholeness - Sadly the Methodist - have caved into skewed cultural pressure
Now I stand with the reformed Methodist church - adhering to original Wesley teaching - and not bowing down to so called Methodist bishops who are in it for power and control
There IS only one book of life - The Bible (solo scriptura) - For this i bear the scars of been cancelled shunned and even shot at - thrown out of meetings et al.
I see the wounded church that need deliverance first and healing second - THERE IS HOPE - It is Jesus the Christ
very well said Rob....Amen.....Thank you!
YOU DONE RIGHT GOOD, ROB, HANG IN THERE, FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT, KEEP THE FAITH - BUT REMEMBER; THERE COMES A TIME TO LET GO, NOT OF CHRIST, BUT OF AN ISTITUTION RUN BY GODLESS HEATHENS - JOHN WESLEY WILL UNDERSTAND! LORD BLESS YOU!
Amen! Praise the Lord for you brother!
God bless you my brother for your stance on the truth...however I see it coming now in the UMC that culture is transforming this denomination which will cause division. I pray that it don't...but it's inevitable I'm afraid. I believe like you Rob and I always will. I also believe Jesus will come soon to end this insanity. Come Lord Jesus!
SHARED!THANK YOU!
Amen, Rob.
let all the people of God say "AMEN"!
- Defines christianity as a personal relationship with Jesus
- Accuses people of being gnostics
Excellent!
Thank you, Rob. I'm like you.
Hi my name is Ray. I to have many concerns about the church today. --Pentecostal-- by denomination. Follower of Christ like you. It is obvious to me that the Church must change.... it must become something other than it has been. Not bend to the culture as it has... not buckle at the first sign of adversity... What we need to do is simple, or at least clear. Put on the whole armor of God. May you be found in His favor. Ray.
My "Repairing the Breach" channel is a collection of interviews on the topic of Christian Unity. Would you be willing to let me interview you on the topic of "What We Can Learn From the Methodists?" You are exactly the kind of guest I am looking for.
America is moving far away from the Gospel fast. We must be the Methodists. The ones with the method of truly trusting scripture 10,000%. God bless you and let's pray that the Methodist church will be united as it once was.
My name is John and I am like you Rob.
God bless you, Rob.
I go to Houston First Methodist in down town. Steve Wendt is our Pastor.
POWERFUL
Amen! SHARE, SHARE, SHARE!
Rob, I too am like you!
Amen! I’m like you, Rob!
Oh Lord, send your cleansing fire of the Holy Spirit to the United Methodist Church and its clergy.
Agreed amen
Good afternoon Rob. I agree with you, the Bible is the word of GOD and teaches that justification is by faith alone (Rom 4:5; Eph 2:8-9). It is clearly stated in the Bible that our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:19), and that homosexuality is a sin (1 Cor. 6:9). Marriage is a Holy sacrament. Thus, our Church must not support same-sex-marriage. I have a question instead: How can we be merciful to this human beings?
Amen and amen
Jesus said: "But I say unto you, that anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Matt 5:32 And in perhaps the older gospel, Mark 10:11, Jesus says, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another , she commits adultery," And what "Christians have always believed" gives no room for the various councils, including Nicea at 325 AD. Nor does it take into account the history and teachings of the church during the Roman era and the great changes in theology brought by Luther, Calvin and Zwingli...and later the preaching of Wesley, almost two hundred years later. Nor does it take into consideration the great differences between the OT and the NT. That is why it is called a NEW Testament. Moslems will quote the OT to justify the Koran and the Haddiths. There is plenty in the OT that does not reflect the love of Christ. So...wish it was that simple. If all the divorced people were removed from the great Methodist Church the membership would fall by what...25%, 35%? It has always been "Christ or Culture"...may we always choose Christ and understand what that really means.
Thank you for so eloquently exposing the hypocrisy via history
Amen brother
Amen
I am like you and I thank you for a wonderful and thoughtful video. Unity with Integrity means Unity with Jesus Christ not Unity with the culture; It means Unity with God's inspired and revealed Holy Word in scripture; The new gnositcs want to write their own gospel. They want to take away our 2000 years of proven understanding of God's word; the full teaching of Jesus Christ that was to fulfill the Law not do away with the Law (Moral code); Christ taught us to temper the Law with God's Love. Not become a denier of Gospel Truth. It is time for more pastors and Bishops to stand up and be unified with Christ.
Is there a manuscript for this - We have deaf individuals in our church that we would like to share this with.
I think RUclips has a closed caption function.
Although I cannot find it on this video.
AMEN!
John Wesley, seems very important to Methodist, and encourages the book of discipline, Ellen G. White, wrote many books , more so then the bible, she is important to 7 day Adventists, Joseph Smith met two bright beings that later led him to write the book of Mormon, he is important to the Mormons, Charles T. Russel, wrote the watch tower magazine and teaches there is no hell, he is important to Jehovah Witness, and the Pope to the Catholics, My point is (Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.) do we need the teachings of John Wesley or anyone else, can you get everything you need from the 66 books of the bible, seeing that God is the Spirit Of Truth, why do I need his(John Wesley) teachings added to the word of God?
The Bible as it has been handed down to us today is, for us Christians, the Word of God. It is a guide that we use to live our lives by. Free Will gives us the choice to do so or not. Jesus Christ is my Savior and I choose to live my life by the principles and examples that he gave us while here on earth. If others choose a different path, that is their choice and I am not qualified to judge them. The path set forth for us Christians is straight and it is narrow and not always easy to follow. The teachings of Jesus Christ are not ambiguous, they are very simple. Love God with all of your heart, mind and soul and have no other gods before him and love your neighbor as you love yourself. The path of the world is wide and it meanders all over the place. It is easy to follow and allows every and any thing the heart desires. The World often casts scorn on Christians because we choose the straight and narrow path and have the beliefs that we do. The World misinterprets this choice we make as a mindset that makes us superior to them when the opposite is true. As Christians we admit that we are flawed and imperfect and ask for God's forgiveness of our sins after we repent. We hold ourselves accountable to Jesus Christ and try to live our lives as he would have us do.
My name is Dale and I'm like you
Unhappily the UMC became an apostate fellowship, "salt without taste", a faith museum, an anomaly that will do Wesley twisting into tomb. Revelation 18:4
I'm interested to know how the "new" UMC view this video.
Amen and Amen!!!!!!!!
My name is Jeff and I’m like you.
What do I do? I love my Lord
I am like you.
1 minute of showing me you're a Christian outweighs 18 minutes of explaining how you're a Christian. "They will know we are Christians by our love," not "I wonder if you're like me."
So both of these statements are correct then. A Man who lives his life for Christ, who has the boldness to challenge the church and speak on what the bible stands as well as the upbringing of the Christian Orthodox Church, shows character in his actions and love for his church. So I think we can consider this 18 minutes of love.
Why do you have to be a united methodist and not just a christian?
How can I contact this Pastor?
I listened carefully. The word I heard most often was "I am Rob". THe second phrase was "I believe". The word I did not hear was Love? How do you talk about being Christian and not talk about the Love of Christ? Talk about what unites us and how Loving Christians can live in harmony and do not feel threatened by those that are different. You are a powerful speaker, I pray you find a message of love.
Just call yourself a Biblical Christian. You don't need denominational names.
why is it that what the Bible teaches about the Eucharist is not anymore authoritative for you??
I’m gay!
Lol
Jesus loves you and so do I
those early martyrs you are talking about were catholic, not Wesleyans...
I have great concern that Brother Rob's energy is spent on anti-marriage equality. His message comes across in way that reflects his own strugle with his sexual identity. In my experience, those who advocate anti-gay rhetoric are trying to cover up their own sexual identity. Look at the politicians and religious leaders who have acted in a similar fashion as Rob. Eventually, they fall from their message because of their homosexual acts. I pray this man's message doesn't hurt more of God's precious children. Unity is not about hate, no matter what side of the issue.
There is no hate in his message or any hidden struggle with sexuality here. I am tired of being lableled by people part of Reconciling Ministries as a religous bigot for my honest, thoughtful, systematic and biblical view of the Bible, Jesus Christ, our Christian heritage, our Weslyan heritage, and our United Methodist Discipline. Our Discipline is our United Methodist Denomination's beliefs and polity, which has been reaffirmed repeatly by majority vote at General Conference. Under the Guise of "Seeking Unity int the UMC" this writer and many others are using their own hate speech to demean, and demoralize. Their Goal is not to seek unity but to require capitulation through name calling. We are a denomination that has a loving and open door invitation to all christians and seekers. However, we do have have a restrictive middle ground which respects God's Word and our Christian heritage. We have collectivly chosen to follow a Biblical standard for Christian marriage in United Methodists churches and a Biblical standard for Clergy in our United Methodists churches. How can we have Unity in the church when one side wants capitulation only and uses hate speech and the other side stands up in love, shares their honest and historic understanding of Scripture and feels that the Unity we seek should be for all to be unified with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?
Merrill Bender I'm sorry for the pain you have received. I apologize for the hate you feel you have received from my post. It sounds like you are wounded and I pray for your healing. As stated above, I still have concern for our brother and the message he has delivered. I won't bother stating more of my point of view, it is apparent that it is not welcome here. I do celebrate however how God is working in our midst all across the UMC and continue to pray that we will be united in our mission to join God in making disciples of Jesus Christ for the transformation of the world. I am so thankful to be a United Methodist because of the freedom and love we have in Christ, the living word that transforms us and celebrates us no matter who we are. Thanks be to God for the UMC! We have lots more work to do in discerning how we accomplish this task together. However, I am praying that one day, everyone will be able to serve and be welcomed in the UMC.
Amen!!
Well Rob I am not like you but I think we have a lot in common. So where are we different? I think your view of Scripture is different than mine. I learn a while ago that no ones particular intrepatation is infalible. Oh yea, I stop worshiping a book also..including the discipline. And secandly If you have married and have been frutiful and multipied... there again that could not have happened to me at least in the traditional way. You seam to think that mind and heart are important issues,,well I cannot judge your heart but I think we both need to work on our Mind issues. Joy and Peace this Xmas season. Bob
Robert Tucker, if you stopped worshiping a book and that book happens to be the Bible, God's Holy Word. Then you might as well just be an atheist. There wouldn't be much of a point if one doesn't abide by God's Holy Word or follow the Book of Discipline which is based on God's Holy Word.
Not respectful to put an ugly symbol over the name of Christ.