Watching your play videos after my first day playing make me learn how more dynamic is economy management in Age 4 compared to 2. With unit and upgraded prices being more scattered than everything costing food and wood with ocassional gold like in age 2, I feel like one of my biggest issues is judging how can I judge for each age how much vills i should get on each thing for the gameplan as there seems to be a lot of role shifting for vills around, I wish there was a way to learn it more directly than trial and error. How long do you think it would take someone to master something like that?
I was surprised that after awhile no infantry was used. Hope the meta isn't going the way of aoe2 where infantry the proverbial backbone of armies becomes useless. I think AoM players were onto something with the 50% accuracy on the first shot 75% for the second and then 100% there after for the third shot. Not a fan of the stutter step ranged units invalidating melee units.
Yeah true. My rant I did full English infantry 1v1 Vs Rus horses couldn't even hit them just running around killing my workers/ hunters avoiding my slow siege army and getting flanked as in real life but horses/ knights in real life are valued to 100s of peasant militia so... ofcourse it not competitive game like StarCraft etc
The bigger the map, the more mobility means something. Infantry let you get to critical mass faster ofc, and can pressure buildings harder, but if you keep needing to go home, you're just going to get rolled over. As for infantry getting invalidated by stutter step, that's pretty much the nature of critical mass, unless you give infantry extremely high pierce resistance. Doesn't help that feudal age infantry tend to be just spears which are hard countered by archers. And then there's the issue of spears actually being clunkier to get than horsemen which is just... Weird.
Yes its beyond broken. I been using musketmen/crossbows, priest and mangonels. Its like going Vietnam, people charge from alla directions and i Gun everything down losing almost nothing. Been facing 100 horse archers and knights and taking it down easy.
Same reason you make several archery ranges or barracks : being able to produce more traders rapidly. Wood wasn't an issue at all for him while he was starved for gold, so the sooner he has many traders, the better.
They may be spaced nicely, but they're not queued in a good order. They'll build the farms in the order you queue them, so if you queue them the way you suggest, you vills will end up doing a lot more running around than they need to.
@@DarthLeon2 You’re right. Same thing applies for AOE2. But I wasn’t talking about saving time for your vils however, since they already run quite fast and smoothly. I believe it might be more important to save those fractions of seconds for yourself, so you could deviate attention sooner. I believe AOE4 to be much more about macro then micro. But its early days so probably too soon to call.
How to get a fearsome army of regenerating knights that can tank a TC for hours: - Be mongols, use kurultai, have the khan close to it when you need to heal your lancers. Done. - Be rus, have warrior monks with your knights. Done. - Be france. nerf france.
i won with wonder and more than 20 traders for french mastery challenge but it didnt count , can you tell me how to do that? do i have to make only 20 traders or what?
Aussie dang it you keep changing stuff on me, is it the French or the Rus who are best? China seemed cool I had a lot of gold income with them due to the one landmark raising taxes and tax collectors running about there was a lot of passive gold with China as well as by far the strongest fortifications with self healing abilities and nest of bees launchers being able to thrash clumps of units fast
Nope, this is gone bc too many people complained about it. It's called streamlining and in this particular instance I agree with the devs. It's a change for the better, just like it was back then in AoM as well.
The french are so broken rn. Early kights, healing knights, cheap vills and good artillery is just a bit too strong. Had multiplayergames against three french and it just sucks.
@@liqem1111 well first you open the menu and then you click surrender because there is nothing you can do that doesnt make your game impossible to win. Unless its a water map.
@@liqem1111 i dont know if you have seen yet but the mongols can put their tc on top of your tc or villagers and kill them slowly while burning any buildings you make at the start of the game until they age up... so yeh mongol rush is pretty strong right now
It's funny that longbows get a regen over time where they must remain immobile (campfire) but the knights, who are already really fast, just get to traipse around and continually pressure you with almost 0 issues.
@@rintv3675 The longbows heal during combat with their campfire, while the knights have an out-of-combat timer, so I don't see how they can keep up the pressure and heal at the same time.
@@Muenni because you can keep poking with superior mobility while never commiting to fights, while also being extremely tanky. Your only downtime is repositioning, but when you're both mobile, stat efficient ( for pop where small numbers of knights can threaten villager kills ) AND you heal while you reposition as well, that means even the time you're supposed to be healing, you're just constantly able to poke and prod.
Crossbows destroy elephants very very quickly. Just be aware they probably have more qued and read to instantly pop once population cap goes down below max and reinforcements are on the way. Might need to push deep once you break their line and disrupt before they get another deathball ready to push back.
I’m new to AOE but have always been a big total war and command and conquer fan. This thing where cav is pretty much all you mainly use is just weird to me. Love the game, the campaign’s are fun and playing fun matches with the AI. Not sure how I feel about the PvP aspect
never really been able to get into PvP for these types of games - it becomes really "gamey" and being a total war fan where balanced army compositions are not only historical but generally play really well just can't be replicated in AOE setting - would love some kind of "realism" mod where you had unit caps or something so you had armies of all unit types
@@Capt.Schlieffen yea for sure. I think it could be more balanced if they would make more penalties for cavalary. They shouldn’t be able to get surrounded and then just disengage and run so easily. If they get surrounded they should have to just stay and fight like in real life or like total war. If you get your cav surrounded in total war you can’t as easily just run. You get bogged down and killed.
I fully expect there is some nuance that refutes this but, starting around 30:00, it seemed a little cringe because Fitz appeared to demonstrate some poor sportsmanship.
*Graphical/visual* • Lower geometric detail than SC2, a game from over 10 years ago. • Lower unit count than SC2, a game from over 10 years ago. • Low framerate animations • Lack of animation variation on units (most only have 1 attack animation, for example) • Censorship of blood and gore (I thought this was a historical game?) • Lack of map zoom out functionality • Lack of visual diversity amongst regions. • Environmental assets that wouldn't look out of place in a mobile game *Gameplay/features* • No scenario editor • No random map scripting • No custom AI • No scoreboard • No map filters • No unit guard mode • No unit patrol mode • No ability to choose player color • No ability to change teams mid-game • MAJOR performance optimization problems (watch digital foundry review)
how in this game just nothn meaningful happens for sooooo long. i bought it and the first minutes bore me to death. they need to speed up the early game and give it some importance other than eco
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When you play 2v2 and are about to finish the second enemy but your coplayer just goes home and starts building a wonder. SMH.
That’s a strat dude. Put the enemy on a timer with the 2v1.. relax
This was so much fun to watch, please do this type of stream more
This was legit one of the most entertaining matches from aoe4 I have seen yet...good job fellas
"Chinese ain't gonna rush us" famous last words
The arbaletier-royal knight combo reminds me the Paladin-Handcannoner combo from aoe 2
How to turn on heath bars above heads in aoe4?
Fitzbro trolling his own teammate
16 hours later:
- RUS is the best civ in the game - hahahaha
Watching your play videos after my first day playing make me learn how more dynamic is economy management in Age 4 compared to 2. With unit and upgraded prices being more scattered than everything costing food and wood with ocassional gold like in age 2, I feel like one of my biggest issues is judging how can I judge for each age how much vills i should get on each thing for the gameplan as there seems to be a lot of role shifting for vills around, I wish there was a way to learn it more directly than trial and error. How long do you think it would take someone to master something like that?
I was surprised that after awhile no infantry was used. Hope the meta isn't going the way of aoe2 where infantry the proverbial backbone of armies becomes useless. I think AoM players were onto something with the 50% accuracy on the first shot 75% for the second and then 100% there after for the third shot. Not a fan of the stutter step ranged units invalidating melee units.
Yeah true. My rant I did full English infantry 1v1 Vs Rus horses couldn't even hit them just running around killing my workers/ hunters avoiding my slow siege army and getting flanked as in real life but horses/ knights in real life are valued to 100s of peasant militia so... ofcourse it not competitive game like StarCraft etc
The bigger the map, the more mobility means something. Infantry let you get to critical mass faster ofc, and can pressure buildings harder, but if you keep needing to go home, you're just going to get rolled over.
As for infantry getting invalidated by stutter step, that's pretty much the nature of critical mass, unless you give infantry extremely high pierce resistance.
Doesn't help that feudal age infantry tend to be just spears which are hard countered by archers.
And then there's the issue of spears actually being clunkier to get than horsemen which is just... Weird.
yah i hate stutter step. I was planning on maining HRE but there focus on infantry makes one of the weaker factions.
@@shadowbandit3975 clearly havnt been raided by MAA rush with rams by the HRE
Royal Knights with Mangonels have been rly broken so far ive played, the fact your units don't take any dmg from the Siege Weapons is insane
Yes its beyond broken. I been using musketmen/crossbows, priest and mangonels.
Its like going Vietnam, people charge from alla directions and i Gun everything down losing almost nothing.
Been facing 100 horse archers and knights and taking it down easy.
Hey can someone answer my question about why did drongo make so many markets?...I thought you basically only needed one...what am I missing?
Same reason you make several archery ranges or barracks : being able to produce more traders rapidly. Wood wasn't an issue at all for him while he was starved for gold, so the sooner he has many traders, the better.
17:30 You know you can shift-click your mill/TC with farms to place multiple automatically on the perfect places right?
They may be spaced nicely, but they're not queued in a good order. They'll build the farms in the order you queue them, so if you queue them the way you suggest, you vills will end up doing a lot more running around than they need to.
Yah as jack said. its really on good around a mill since its short distance bu to TC it build it on all 4 sides which is quite a distance.
@@DarthLeon2 true, they kinda fucked up hard with that mechanic, so annoying hope they will patch it soon
@@DarthLeon2 You’re right. Same thing applies for AOE2. But I wasn’t talking about saving time for your vils however, since they already run quite fast and smoothly. I believe it might be more important to save those fractions of seconds for yourself, so you could deviate attention sooner.
I believe AOE4 to be much more about macro then micro. But its early days so probably too soon to call.
How to get a fearsome army of regenerating knights that can tank a TC for hours:
- Be mongols, use kurultai, have the khan close to it when you need to heal your lancers. Done.
- Be rus, have warrior monks with your knights. Done.
- Be france.
nerf france.
Why no tower when you got pushed off your gold early on?
It became a Fitz vs you fight in the end, racing to be the one who finishes the game
I've been playing French with Royal Knights non-stop lol
Don't forget to add arbs! Perfect for spears. And their Q ability is OP.
i won with wonder and more than 20 traders for french mastery challenge but it didnt count , can you tell me how to do that?
do i have to make only 20 traders or what?
Hey Aussie how are you selecting multiple military buildings to spit out units to the same spot?
hold shift when clicking your buildings then while they are all selected hold ctrl and whatever key bind number you wanna use
F1
If a game goes late is there any way to stop chinese grenader / palace guard deathball?
Artillery. Mangos are the great equaliser until they get nerfed.
Aussie dang it you keep changing stuff on me, is it the French or the Rus who are best?
China seemed cool I had a lot of gold income with them due to the one landmark raising taxes and tax collectors running about there was a lot of passive gold with China as well as by far the strongest fortifications with self healing abilities and nest of bees launchers being able to thrash clumps of units fast
how did you change colors? Im always default blue
Why do you put 2nd TC in your hunt?
Does a dead sheep spoil over time if u dont harvest it in time, like in aoe 2?
Nope, this is gone bc too many people complained about it. It's called streamlining and in this particular instance I agree with the devs. It's a change for the better, just like it was back then in AoM as well.
The french are so broken rn. Early kights, healing knights, cheap vills and good artillery is just a bit too strong. Had multiplayergames against three french and it just sucks.
Awesome stuff, @Aussie_Drongo. Where in Australia are you located?
Hey so how do you counter ?
How would you deal with dark age mongol rush when doing 2 tc opening
Dont do 2 tc opening against mongol
@@kamekazi1123 what opening do you do
@@liqem1111 well first you open the menu and then you click surrender because there is nothing you can do that doesnt make your game impossible to win.
Unless its a water map.
@@kamekazi1123 uhh is it that strong?
@@liqem1111 i dont know if you have seen yet but the mongols can put their tc on top of your tc or villagers and kill them slowly while burning any buildings you make at the start of the game until they age up... so yeh mongol rush is pretty strong right now
Really hope the french get nerfed soon. At minimum the knights health regen needs to be changed to something else or a hard nerf
It's funny that longbows get a regen over time where they must remain immobile (campfire) but the knights, who are already really fast, just get to traipse around and continually pressure you with almost 0 issues.
@@rintv3675 exactly, makes no sense. I don't mind the longbow heal but the knights? Honestly how did they not know it's broken
@@rintv3675 The longbows heal during combat with their campfire, while the knights have an out-of-combat timer, so I don't see how they can keep up the pressure and heal at the same time.
@@Muenni because you can keep poking with superior mobility while never commiting to fights, while also being extremely tanky.
Your only downtime is repositioning, but when you're both mobile, stat efficient ( for pop where small numbers of knights can threaten villager kills ) AND you heal while you reposition as well, that means even the time you're supposed to be healing, you're just constantly able to poke and prod.
I wanna ask how to fight heavy turtling Dehli that spam elephants
Crossbows destroy elephants very very quickly. Just be aware they probably have more qued and read to instantly pop once population cap goes down below max and reinforcements are on the way. Might need to push deep once you break their line and disrupt before they get another deathball ready to push back.
Slow siege with cannons, springalds, culverins, trebs. That's about it. Just have an army ready to engulf theirs if they push the siege
nah best civ right now is the RUS have you seen the infinate relic glitch they can do?
How do you change the colours ?
can't
@@sparta007ot u can on setting
I’m new to AOE but have always been a big total war and command and conquer fan. This thing where cav is pretty much all you mainly use is just weird to me. Love the game, the campaign’s are fun and playing fun matches with the AI. Not sure how I feel about the PvP aspect
never really been able to get into PvP for these types of games - it becomes really "gamey" and being a total war fan where balanced army compositions are not only historical but generally play really well just can't be replicated in AOE setting - would love some kind of "realism" mod where you had unit caps or something so you had armies of all unit types
@@Capt.Schlieffen yea for sure. I think it could be more balanced if they would make more penalties for cavalary. They shouldn’t be able to get surrounded and then just disengage and run so easily. If they get surrounded they should have to just stay and fight like in real life or like total war. If you get your cav surrounded in total war you can’t as easily just run. You get bogged down and killed.
Aussie vs SOTL let’s gooooo
I’ll even take t90 I just want to see a real aoe3 vs aoe2 you tuber.
fitzbro more like kelly kapoor am i right
Ahhh French cavalry... Destroying games since AoE2
The French have a great economy
But I can't seem to get a handle on their army
Woah, franks have stupid strong knights? And are even great picks for team games? Some things never change.
Mongols in AoE4 : da golden horde rrrreeeee
French in AoE4 : *ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL*
use a hotkey for your blacksmith, you forgot them the entire game....
I try to keep villagers at 110
more 2v2s yay
I fully expect there is some nuance that refutes this but, starting around 30:00, it seemed a little cringe because Fitz appeared to demonstrate some poor sportsmanship.
thefck you talking about?
The French are undoubtly the strongest on water maps
Nah HRE with relic buffs
*Graphical/visual*
• Lower geometric detail than SC2, a game from over 10 years ago.
• Lower unit count than SC2, a game from over 10 years ago.
• Low framerate animations
• Lack of animation variation on units (most only have 1 attack animation, for example)
• Censorship of blood and gore (I thought this was a historical game?)
• Lack of map zoom out functionality
• Lack of visual diversity amongst regions.
• Environmental assets that wouldn't look out of place in a mobile game
*Gameplay/features*
• No scenario editor
• No random map scripting
• No custom AI
• No scoreboard
• No map filters
• No unit guard mode
• No unit patrol mode
• No ability to choose player color
• No ability to change teams mid-game
• MAJOR performance optimization problems (watch digital foundry review)
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2v1 green very noobs : D
First?
Approved
congratiulations. you sir won the internet today. here have one virtual like.
how in this game just nothn meaningful happens for sooooo long. i bought it and the first minutes bore me to death. they need to speed up the early game and give it some importance other than eco
play rus or mongols then