@@thatsfunny2051 true, which I think would have been a horrible shame, I do not think that King George VI gets as much praise, at least world wide, as he should. I'm also glad that Queen Elizabeth II came to the throne when she did rather than as a middle aged woman in her 40s.
I have said this elsewhere here. The historical "What ifs" had Edward not abdicated and Wallace remained in his sphere as mistress or wife/queen are both intriguing and frightening. How would a Edward led UK dealt with Hitler's rape of continent? I recognize the UK is a constitutional monarchy, with a figurehead monarch. But, having Simpson in the circles of influence might have further empowered Mosely. And without Britain standing alone in 1940-41, would Henry Ford, Lindbergh, Joseph Kennedy, Father Coughlin and their ilk have swayed America into an alliance with Nazi Germany? As I said, What if...
@@kamirobey175 King George VI REALLY did rise to the occasion, didn't he! As did his daughter, the very young Queen Elizabeth II. Considering any training they had for the job was through osmosis till then, and King George had more than the average set of difficulties and challenges on his plate, it doesn't seem possible that anyone could've outshined either of them.
Hopefully the queen in her wisdom thought that reguardless of the trouble Harry's actions may have caused at the moment it would be worth it in the end. She had lived long enough to have witnessed the way it had been for the best for the commonwealth in this similar situation. She was sharp. I'm sure she saw the connections. It is sad that her last days possibly were disturbed, having to wonder how this would play out.
It is so very clear who Harry shares his genes with. How Meghan managed to channel Wallace Simpson is uncanny! God works in mysterious ways in removing evil people from positions of power. George was an amazing King and he and his wife gave us the greatest Queen to ever sit on the throne. William and Catherine will be amazing future leaders.
The Queen mum told her husband bertie aka king George VI to not grant HRH to wallis . That motto should have applied to meghan & harry . To not recieve titles & HRH
£800 translates to £10k. I love this book. They're are noticeable parallels between David and Harry. Both are entitled, ungrateful, selfish, and sanctimonious. I understand now why Meghan is often referred to as Walmart Wallace. At the beginning of the episode, you warned that it would be long. I wanted more! Thank you so much for your excellent review. This is definitely my favourite RUclips channel.
It is bizarre how many parallels exist between David and Harry, I'm astounded by so many comparisons there are - David and Harry, willing to throw away their family, their duty for a divorced American woman who wasn't really 'feeling it'. We now know that to be true of Wallace and I bet in time this will reveal itself in Meghan because I truly feel she married for status and money and does not love Harry. If she loved Harry would she have treated his family like this, would she isolate his friends? No. I think Harry will wind up being a sad figure like David, in fact neither will be happy.
While Harry & David so alike so are Migrane & Wallace who have something that men are drawn too. I won't get specific but will say I think they both had/have sailing skills that seem draw men in
He chose poorly to follow the wrong uncle’s example. Thankfully Harry was born the second child because today divorce is (sadly) so common it wouldn’t stir up the same controversy as in the past, example today both king and queen are divorced even though they had to wait until Diana died making Charles a technical widow to marry. It’s common knowledge that king & queen carried on an adulterous affair long before and didn’t care who they hurt. With this kind of role model it’s unsurprising that one son followed the example the male family members set for him but also that the young pow followed his wonderful grandMOTHER’S example as monarch. Shamefully Harry learned nothing from history including his own family history. 🤷🏻♀️ 🎗️🎺💐👸🏻let us commemorate the 70 * years Elizabeth II devoted to her family and country.
That's kinda unfair to Chuck since he was in love with Cami when he was forced to marry D. He's been in love with one woman all this time. I don't look at matters of the heart rigidly. A lot of times people just grow out of each other or should never had married. This is definitely to be expected when a marriage is forced for whatever reason. You gotta give it to him. She was always & still is the one.😊
@@leesa3140 Not only the British royals. Royal families around the world are inbred (to a scary degree!) Thankfully, Europe now has republics and constitutional monarchies. The power of the Japanese royal family has been severely curtailed since the defeat of Japan in WW2. Not so in Brunei and a few other places. But the Japanese who value their homogeneous nation state (very little immigration allowed) still hold the JRF in very high esteem. Some may (even in this day and age) consider the emperor to be a god/demigod.
Harry also gave signed photos of himself as gifts! The similarities are endless. Seems some Windsor men just can’t get enough women who treat them like dirt.
Everyone in my family in my fathers generation and before had their own silver napkin rings with their monogram. The idea was for normal family meals you’d keep your napkin in your own napkin ring so you’d know which one was yours so they could be reused for a few meals. If you were upper class let alone Royal it would have been considered an extremely middle class and bourgeois thing to do.
It's funny how king George moved David's belongings to Frogmore, which is the home queen Elizabeth gave to Harry and Meghan. I also read that queen Victoria moved her mother to Frogmore when she wanted her out of her life. Frogmore seems to be where the royal family have been stashing their "problem relatives" for centuries 😂
@@ariellagoichman3513 it was a rather amusing gotcha thing. She had had enough of her mother and her controlling lover who wanted very much to have control over Victoria, when Queen. The cottage was renowned for its frogs, croaking happily all night. Knew this would infuriate her mother. Hence its name, Frogmore. Whether or not they are still there it certainly amused Victoria, free at last.
The incidents with Harry and Megan are too similar for us not to make a two and two together situation. I think how you are reading the book with background information is truly fascinating and remarkable. How history is repeating itself. It is infinitely shocking. I read about Wallis and Edward years ago when information was tightly battened down so I am utterly enthralled. Gin and tonic on a Sunday and an hour with you and an absurdly fascinating couple’s history is a treat indeed. Thank you for what you do so professionally and amusingly.
"He has never thought the matter out" - It's crazy how much he sounds like Harry! I swear it's like history is really repeating itself! David sounds like he was rotten to the core!
If anyone should query as to Harry’s father is then point them towards this book. It is uncanny how similar they are. I thought this when it became clear after they ran from the RF as Harry’s true character became apparent.
The part of how much David felt was owed to him reminded me so much of Harry's outrage that Charles cut off his allowance after a year. What 35 year old man lives off his allowance. Neither David nor Harry thought about where their finances would come from. !!
Yes. There are real repercussions to actions. Churchill was wrong when he diminished the issue and asked why the King couldn't have his 'cutie'. Integrity matters and so does taking responsibility and being of good character in positions of authority. That's why it's fundamentally important that ex-royal Harry be removed from the line of succession, from being Counsellor of State and he must never be allowed back into the Monarchy.
Wow, I’m only four minutes in but I know a little bit of the history. I have a feeling there’s a lot more I’m about to learn. Not only might some of us not be here, we never would’ve had Queen Elizabeth II or any of her descendants as monarch.
While I'm thinking of it, the Queen Mother absolutely HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATED Wallis - and it has always been reported the anger was because the abdication forced Bertie to become King and it severally affected the man mentally and took physical tolls on him that she believed contributed to his early death. I think the woman was keen enough to see through Wallis AND probably knew of all the crown money and jewels funneling to Wallis and Ernest - Like Catherine, she saw the grift.
Lacy C’s book indicates the likelihood of the Queen Mother being born from a surrogate who happened to be the cook Marguerite. In fact that was one of the QM’s middle names which was NOT a normal name for those aristos then. Some biographer’s think that David knew that and told Wallis and that’s why they called her “Cookie”. Also there is discussion that the QM wanted David not Bertie so she was jealous. Finally apparently the QM was jealous of Wallis who always looked sleek and slim and tailored whereas the QM was always in a huge frothy dress.
At 38 you point out what a cheapskate he was. But in reality he, like Harry, was really a man-child who had not been brought up with the concept of money. You should find and read the Bloch book which has his actual letters which are pretty much all in scary baby talk…. Sorry for all the comments… As I’ve mentioned it’s disappointing that Lownie is sensationalizing many of these things because the truth is disturbing enough without the hyperbole.
@dhjdmba5684 If this is true "that the QM fancied David first, she must have been so delighted she missed a bullet as we all did. She finished having a good and really genuine kindly guy in King George VI a true family man, and they were loved as a couple and admired all through WWII
@@dhjdmba5684 Lady C knows nothing of the birth of Elizabeth Bowes Lyon who seems to have had the measure of that ‘Lady’ too. Elizabeth was not born of a surrogate, and to call her ‘cookie’ is to be as low as Wallis who invented the name when she failed to manipulate Elizabeth.
I think the reason Churchill was so upset about the abdication was that he thought it would be demoralizing and destabilizing to the British people. Like any other political system, the British government system works because enough people believe it works. When people stop believing in the government, or at least stop being resigned to it, that's when it all topples over. To lose two kings within a year is a really big deal, and from what I understand, Bertie didn't have the benefit of good training for the job beforehand. That would be incredibly concerning at any time, but especially during this historical period with so much political upheaval in Europe.
Re: napkin rings…in some households, to save money on linens and wash water, each family member would be issued a napkin for the day. At the end of the meal, family members would put their napkin in their individual napkin ring so that they would use the same napkin at the next meal of the day. The British Royal family is known for their economy, especially with the children, so I’m betting that was the practice in David’s nursery, and he was perplexed napkins were being reused in restaurants.
This is a great series. Thank you so much. Thank God that William was born first. David sounds a lot like Harry. the only difference is that Walis was much smarter than Meghan. It's amazing how history repeats itself. Thanks again for this book club.❤
First time as tragedy, second time as farce. Wallis definitely had something to her; she could converse intelligently with serious men, which is not true of Meghan.
I started to say, but what if Harry was firstborn and Meg drew him away to US just like D&W. Then I shuddered at the thought of how much he and his wife covet the throne for selfish desire and ugh, what a mess that would be. 😮
@@Wanda711 I’ve seen Interviews with people who knew Wallace and Edward that said she was very intelligent, charming and captivating. Her personality, unlike Edward’s, was very extroverted and with her wit and humor she kept him and others enthralled.
For many years I thought it unfair that people put the blame on "the woman" in the "Mrs Simpson and the king"-scenario. Even when her letters to her previous husband came to light, I thought she was a woman trapped by the circumstances. However, it seemed she put herself in that position, which seemed a little strange. Learning a little more about it, I have become more and more convinced that she was playing her own game and that she over-estimated her cleverness and importance (just like a more recent well.known social climber). Both her high ambitions and the way she was treating David (who seems to have been as shallow, self-centered and gullible as a more recent well-known prince) seem to be strong indications of a narcissistic personality. She probably saw nothing wrong in what she was doing, and I feel more and more certain that they both thought that the reaction to him having to give up the throne for love, would be an uproar from the people with a demand that their beloved king could marry whomever he wanted, as long as he stayed. You are right about Wallis knowing that David was not cheating on her. By accusing him, though, she would keep him on his toes and constantly being worried about her leaving him. If she had let him feel that she loved and trusted him, he might not have tried to do everything to please her. Remember all the things she gave up for him... 😉
Interesting... I always thought of her as a terrible example of 'be careful what you wish for' when she intrigued to get with David. Then I heard about the shocking agreement with the Nazis, which rather chimes with your analysis. If she was such a manipulator, karma really showed her her own limits. Can't help rather hoping the same may happen to Harry's wife. 🤔
@@elinstar6034 It kind of has. If the stories about them suggesting that W and H should share the title Prince of Wales (and the income from the Duchy of Cornwall, I guess) there is every chance they were thinking that they would become so popular that the people of the UK would insist on W&C stepping down and leaving the throne to the wonderful swan from the Americas and her husband... Instead they ended up having to leave the country (for unknown reasons, I suspect). Just like Wallis and David expected to set up their own "royal court" in France back in the days, H and his wife seemingly expected to be able to pick and choose their circle of friends in Hollywood. This also seems to have failed, and she is now reduced to go to concerts and try to get her picture taken with someone famous (presumably - I have never heard of them). The more people learn about her, the less they would want to be friends with or work with her. Royalty is not as exotic and interesting as it seemed in the 1930-s, so there is not much to milk out of that udder. Btw, most of this in my conclusion based on rumours and an idea about how they might think - not necessarily how it actually is.
Perhaps she didn’t bet on him abdicating and wanted a Nazi sympathiser as king!! Probably thats why she was so mean to him later on as she got stuck with him and he was no use!
Makes you wonder if Harold treated the celebrities who so generously loaned them homes and private planes for their “escape” in the same “you’re so lucky to be helping me” condescending manner as David treated people. He (and ME-Gain)seem very much cut from the same ME ME ME cloth.
❤I am so happy you are back. I am loving “Traitor” & can’t wait for the next chapter. Honestly I am shocked at how much David & Harry are alike in every way! I really believe it was a blessing to the Monarchy when he abdicated! Amen!
There’s a RUclips video I watched recently where a historian found letters that Wallis had written to her friends & ex-husband Earnest. They were quite revealing in that she didn’t want to divorce Earnest, how she loved him, how dull she found David & he wanted like a ‘lapdog’, & seemed to revel in being treated poorly by her. The worse she demeaned him, the more pleasure he seemed to enjoy. It detailed how she became lovers with David (one of his regular mistresses who had to return to the US for several months set them up). Earnest was fully aware of the relationship, & it was about social climbing & building better business relationships for Earnest (Wallis simply wanted to circulate in higher society, & enjoyed the expensive gifts her lovers - especially David - lavished on her). At first she loved that she had the King’s total affections, thinking she would become Queen. As soon as she learned about the abdication, she wanted out. She wrote to Earnest ‘what a mess I have made, my dearest’. I suppose Wallis had at least the loyalty to stay with David the rest of her life. I doubt M will do the same…
I think she realized it was David or nothing after the Abdication. She wasn't a woman who could just settle down to a quiet life, playing bridge with a few friends twice a week. She needed to be in SOCIETY - she thrived on it, both the money and the attention. If she dumped David, she'd be completely ostracized by high society she valued, branded as a gold-digging user and a shallow, bed-hopping flirt. 'The greatest love story ever told' was her shield against such accusations; if she abandoned it, she'd have nothing.
No, I don’t think Wallis did ever trash the Monarchy. Ultimately though, a motive for this may have been to retain the income & lifestyle to which she had become accustomed. When she passed away, look at some of her belongings that went up for auction. Like MM, she wanted all the top designer brands, trinkets, jewellery, etc. In terms of love & happiness her life was ultimately a disappointment with David, but in regard to crass materialism, it was a winning goal. As an interesting fact, Dodi’s father bought Wallis & David’s property, thinking that it would be the perfect home for Diana & his son (I think after they died?)
Your 100% correct. Wallis and her husband were con artists and the con backfired, and she got stuck with him. And good thing too. You should read his letters, a horrible whining little man.
I've always found the story of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor fascinating, because when I was a little girl, my mother told me that he'd given up the throne for the woman he loved and I thought that was so romantic...then I began to look into his story myself and I was horrified. The first thing that I discovered that disgusted me was his callousness when talking about his younger brother, Prince John's death. Then when I saw someone who had witnessed this event, talking about how Wallis had made David beg like a dog when he asked for a cigarette...this was in front of other people. By the time I found out about the Nazi stuff, I had no sympathy for him...maybe I should have a tiny bit, but I can't.
Whenever,David would leave a room Wallis would make barking sounds..She even went as far as doing that when he would leave the dinner table in front of all of their friends..😮
NAPKIN RINGS were originally used so that, after the meal, the napkin could be rolled up in it and left on the table. It would then be reused by the same person for several meals in a row. Each person had their own distinctive ring (often with their name or initials engraved) so they would know which was theirs. It was more of a middle class tradition, used before household appliances were common, when washing linen daily was a luxury. Nowadays, napkin rings are strictly decorative and sign of elegance.
What’s worse, is Kitty had all her possessions & property confiscated by the Nazis, & barely escaped with her life having to seek refugee status in the US. It makes David’s abuse of her generosity & affiliation with the Nazi’s that much worse. Ultimately, his only loyalty was to Wallis.
I thought the royal family weren’t allowed to sign autographs. This seems to be stupid and dangerous, did he not learn from is uncle Andrew autographs, pictures could be very costly. 😂
He gave them copies - because he couldn't sell them! It was the biggest load of tosh! In other words written whilst on drugs full of fabrication. He made a fool of himself publishing this tripe about his todger! Lesson harry Meeagain will use the material on your drug taking when she's looking to divorce you! She will make your life he'll! Just like you made life he'll for your family. KARMA
There’s been long speculation that Prince Harry is not Charles III’s biological son. But after listening to the audiobook, I’ve come to realize that Harry truly is a Windsor. He’s too much like his great-great-uncle to not be related to him. These Windsor manbabies are something else. I understand why a lot of Brits want to abolish the monarchy.
Napkin rings in the old days were for re-use of napkins that weren't dirty. If you used napkin and it wasn't dirty, it was put back in ring to use again during that day
Omg! David and Harry are twin sons of different mothers! Seems like Wallis and Meghan are pretty good manipulating dominatrixes but one is the style setter and the other is just messy!
Reminds me of how MeGain sent her lavish clothes/jewelry/shoe shopping bill to Invictus this year. She literally had no boundary in sight - and she expects this! Did any of you hear what she DEMANDED of her German hosts? They told her to bug off, and that is why I think she was four days late making her grand arrival.
I grew up hearing many of these tales. My mother used to regale me with the sordid gossip about David & Wallis & it sounds as though what she was telling me was more accurate than I had thought. She also shared the stories about the '"romantic" skills Wallis supposedly learned while in China & how they helped her to entice & eventually trap the little weasel, David. His stepping aside was without a doubt the best thing that could have happened to the British monarchy. Those two deserved each other.
Really enjoying this series! David passed long before Harry's birth. Wallace only passed in 1986 when Rachel was already here on this earth. Had she passed prior to Rachels' birth i would 100% believe in reincarnation with these 2. lol
How eerie that H & M ended up living within the same grounds as David & Wallis were buried. Ironic that QE2 made available to MM on the spectacle (I mean Wedding day) the same car that drove Wallis to David’s funeral….. LOL 😂 both very strategic moves by HMQ.
Churchill supported Edward 8th to the extent of shouting at Baldwin in the Commons that he, Baldwin, wouldn't be satisfied until the King was broken. And Dear David repaid him with mockery. That tells you all you need to know about David's character. Very good video today. 🌹
Kitty Rothschild... Opens up her house and summons a bunch of servants up from Paris to help out a friend, who quickly wears out his welcome because he's a nuisance, won't tip the servants, won't pay his own shopping bills, plays bagpipes at 3 am, can't be bothered to thank her for anything... Then on top of that, she gets accused of being in love with him. Truly no good deed goes unpunished. 😂
I'm a year behind with this. Started with the Housekeeper's Diary & became addicted to this form of reviewing. How do you manage to be so productive? Please don't take any of these down until I & others catch up. 🙏
I already knew quite a lot about David and his shortcomings. But am coming to this video a bit late. Just listening to the bit about the lame Xmas gift of a signed photo, the day after H was revealed to have left signed copies of his book as a “tip” for hotel staff. The parallels are frightening. Not good people
My mother was born in 1932. She would talk about the D&DoW with disdain and ridicule. I never really understood why she cared; we're Canadian and she was not really interested in the monarchy. Now I get it. Mom died 10 years ago. Boy, I wish I could tell her that history has repeated itself!
The psychology of the D&DoW is fascinating. She was of good stock, but born in the poor branch of the family. She watched her mother live on the goodwill of various uncles after her father passed away. She was jealous of her well-to-do cousins and their apparent advantages. So she grew up to spend her life taking advantage of men and craving every luxury to bolster her feelings of security and worthiness. She once said: "I knew I would never be the prettiest woman in the room, so I decided I would be the best-dressed and most interesting" On the other hand he was deeply scarred by his childhood, terrorized by his father and surviving a sadist of a nanny, who would beat him and starve him and pinch him just before his parents visited, so he would always be crying when they saw him. It is believed that this abuse of the royal children by their nanny also resulted in poor Bertie's stammer. So David grew up to crave being bossed about and talked down to, because his mind had been warped to believe that this was love. A very sad little pair, but ever so interesting!
Oh wow, how interesting and sad to learn about his childhood, that makes sense. We know from all european roayal families that the children were treated awfully throughout the last centuries (mostly for educational reasons) and often had deeply wounded souls and then developped strange, pathological behaviours & habits. I'm thinking of the Habsburgers here, in general but especially the family of Franz Joseph I and Elisabeth. I guess it all reflects this special time and its spirit.
Cheere, you are gorgeous as you are, grow old gracefully as I am sure you will. You have a beautiful attitude. Good for you young lady, I’m proud of you.
So glad you chose this book. I knew next to nothing about them. It looks like they did a copy and paste job with H&M. David was a sniveling crybaby and mooch who could do no wrong and Simpson was behind the scenes pulling his strings. Their sympathies for the Nazi party are truly shocking. As many have said before, Thank God David abdicated and the world got Queen Elizabeth!!!
Loving this book! And didn't Harry give someone an autographed copy of Spare as a thank you gift?? Really, the parallels between David/Wallis and Harry/Meghan almost makes a case for reincarnation. It's eerie. This is really MY favorite channel.
I've been listening to a lot of this whilst cooking at work! Brilliant video Cheere Denise - I still think it's so strange how there are so many parallels between the contemporary breakaway royals to these two. A mis match of love, iffy connections - a nazi costume and the Nazis! No seriously the blood diamonds as worn by Meghan Markle, the sheer greed of David and Harry, the entitlement, the fakery of Wallace and Meghan. The treatment of staff, past then present. The callous disregard of familial feelings. The more you look the weirder this is! David sounded like a pretty awful person, he sounded incredibly spoilt and immature, even worse than Harry! Going to listen again properly later on my dog walk, loving your videos ! 🤗🤗
My conscious bias tells me this is their class traits. Entitlement, snobbery and disregard. This chapter gives me a lot more understanding and respect for QEII oath of a life of service.
I bought and read the whole book since your last video. (which is probably why I'm not allowed in book clubs) I kept seeing the parallels to the Harkles through the entire thing.. Love this channel!
I’m really loving this book and your telling of it. It’s hard not to draw comparisons between D/W and H/M. If anything, Harry should have known enough of his family history to avoid repeating it, even though we all know he’s a terrible student. But his grandmother could have told him plenty. No wonder they all saw M coming a mile away. 🤯
My parents were born in 1903 and 1907. My father gave me his love of history among other interests. A long time ago we were talking about David. He told me how incredibly loved and popular he was. Women threw themselves at him. He was also very good looking when young and not remote from the public as were so many royals at that time. With limited publicity about him, no television, just the ewspapers which were very tightly controlled by their owners. I can think of Lord Beaverbrooke as one at the moment and thus much was kept from the British newspapers compared to the American. He visited the coal miners one day who were living in dire poverty. Owned by the mine owners for everything. Housing, company shops for food, poor wages, horrible safety conditions. A strike was being considered as they were starving, a high birth rate and he stood in front of these men and families and said 'Something has got to be done! This is disgraceful, etc'. Well, everyone went mad for him. His popularity soared, his jocular smile, waving and although he wasnt king yet it was eagerly awaited. There was even a tremendously popular song written about him, a line went ...I danced with a girl who danced with a man who danced a girl who danced with the Prince of Wales. Of course all this time he was seeing Wallis and avoiding Queen Mary and King George V who had treated his children brutally and very little love from the Queen. To finally get to the point that his father died from constant smoking, David went into a panic and those poor miners never did get what he so cheerfully promised. How very much like Harry he was. Wallis was panicked as her husband was her lifesaver and knew of the affair. I too don't know why she didn't run for the hills. She received beautiful jewellery from him but wasn't avaricious like Markle. He like Harry needed a mother. All his mistresses were older married women. The whole story is one you can't put down. Matriarch by Anne Edwards is excellent telling the children's story from the beginning and explains a lot. It just gets better Cheere! So pleased to hear you. I've banged on too much but did want to get across how much he was adored at one time. He was rotten at the core though and I put a lot of blame on the father who vowed to make his children as terrified of him as he had been of his father. Britain was, I believe, the last country to know about Wallis. We were so lucky ultimately having dear Bertie, George VI as king giving us Queen Elizabeth for all those years and no German invasion. So sorry for the length but it is a great story.
What a great way to start the day! And I got my copy of 'Traitor King' from the library day before yesterday, so I can actually read along this time! Hard to believe this guy was over 40 when this was happening; complete case of arrested development, and I'm sure the British public had no idea. They just saw the image of the slim, breezy 'eligible bachelor' who'd somehow managed to get to middle age without being able to land a nice woman who didn't already belong to someone else.
He was an absolute horror. What child. Why do they all enable each other, these rich, elite individuals? Keep the establishment afloat I guess. Just churns my stomach. Oh.,,and great to see you! Love your book hours!!
It was astonishing to see Harry's true character emerge from the clouds of 'cheeky lovable rogue' the Palace had wrapped round him. No wonder their pr is so effective, they've been practicing for decades. 😮
It has to be said that Churchill was an old fashioned romantic (about life, not just about 'affairs of the heart'). This wasn't uncommon in people of his age- they were brought up on the great stories, true or not, of 1,000 plus years of English/British history, glorious battles won AND lost, larger than life men and women, strength in the face of disaster. He would have been right there with Sir Walter Raleigh throwing down his cloak for the first Elizabeth to cross a puddle or applauding as Sir Francis Drake was knighted by her on the deck of his own ship. He also wept fairly easily. This was partly what made him a successful leader in 1940- he was able to tap into the collective 'soul' of the nation.
He was also a historian, and had written books about English history. He really had a romantic idea of monarchy and the long line of kings and queens that had ruled England. I read 'Edward and Mrs. Simpson' years ago, and remember feeling very impatient about Churchill's stubbornness over Edward and his floozy. He was trying to cram Edward into a familiar box that just didn't fit. He came round pretty quickly though, and I think he saw getting rid of Edward as a godsend, considering how adamant he was about opposing the Nazis.
Also he was emotional bc he was most likely Bipolar. He called his depressive period “his black dog”. I think he used his mental illness to his advantage to show he wasn’t an unfeeling politician.
Balmoral and Sandringham are not Crown estates but private family properties inherited by the eldest. Hence the bitter fight to get them back for the future of the Royal Family.
I can’t believe the nerve of giving your hosts your bills to pay! Maybe it’s cause I’m American but I won’t show up to anyone’s house empty handed. I feel like with David you need to check his luggage for your good dishes!
Hi Che a box of Wallace's letters were found from Wallace to Ernist. Who she clearly states she loved. Seems Wallace only wante what she could not have! They truly deserved each other! He died calling for her while she sat in the other room. Harry should listen to this!!!
They made his character so glamorous in Downton Abbey! This story makes me want to watch The King’s Speech again (when his brother George had to take over the throne)
I remember looking at a history book with my granny and looking at the page about Edward VIII. Oh the rant, she was a child when he abdicated. She talked about how upset everyone was in England and how horrible she thought he was. This was in around the early nineties. It surprised me on how much anger and resentment she felt about it after such a long time. Very interesting how the royal family affected the people and still do
Isn’t it strange that we went from the possibility of having to suffer from the worst king of all time to recently losing the greatest monarch of them all. I’m enjoying learning about this story in more depth so thank you.
I’m gonna have to read this! It’s interesting to hear all this because Lady C paints a different picture in her book about the Queen Mum. It never sat well with me how she blames her for everything instead of David. I’m feeling all her books are unreliable now.
King Charles isn't big fan of Lady C even before Lady C wrote nasty Book about Queen mother. The moment I read that Queen mother and king George VI didn't much physical relationship after honeymoon I thought this book is BS. I mean before George VI got interested in Elizabeth Bowes Lyon he had many mistresses why would he put up with Queen mother if she was like Lady C paints her to be. George VI also had hot tamper like his father but he was very tender with his wife and children. Why did king George VI remain loyal to Queen mother if she was that bad? Why was Queen mother favorite daughter in law of King George V? Why did men in grey suits liked her respected her? I don't believe for 1 second that Queen Elizabeth II wasn't conceived naturally. I don't believe Queen mother's real mother was french cook because Queen mother looked so much like Countess of strathmore? There is not single proof that Queen mother wanted to marry David. Lady C also gave a pass to Mohammed al Fayad and Prince Andrew was blaming their victims. Lady C is gossip girl and author of this book is historian and has receipts for his every claims.
@@krishnavyas313 you are 100% spot on I believe and the only reason she got by with all that is because the Royal Family has to rise above. Also she never ever gives sources and she’s a mean old hag! She came after Cheere she is on a rampage about go fund me now and when she called them she was immediately hostile and arrogant with the girl that answered the phone, she speaks down in America all the time and I even found that some of her criticism of Meghan when she was growing up was just her criticizing American life styles. She always gives playboy old pervs a pass cause she’s writhing around on her couch wishing they would hit on her. Gross!!! I really think she’s the biggest narcissist around and I think her boys know it too. Have you seen her with them when she’s saying was I a good mother to you? Was I harsh? Like WTH?
That Herman is kind of a parallel to Marcus Anderson, isn´t he?😂 I keep drawing parallels between the two couples, I can´t help it! Also thanking UKs lucky stars that Harry wasn´t born first. I had no idea David (Edward) was such an utter nob. Keep going Cheere, this is great entertainment!
The napkin rings, in those days when items were washed by hand. Often the napkins would be used more than once before washing. Because of this often each napkin ring would have a unique pattern or the persons monogram on the ring. That way you wouldn't get someone elses soiled napkin. Usually this would apply to middle class or less well off households. It's something Edward may not have come across before. So it woukd be strange for him to out his napkin back into its ring. In reference to Balmoral and Sandringham they are private property they don't fall under the crown estate as Windsor and Buckingham Palace do. Therefore he had inherited the properties as the oldest son not as the kings successor. The duchy's of Lancashire and Cornwall belong to the family but the way they are set up is the duchy of Lancashire belongs to the sovereign and Cornwall belongs to the heir apparent which was established in 1461 by King Edward IV where he confirmed that the duchy would be inherited by the monarch, but held separately from the Crown Estate.
You know, character traits DO pass down bloodlines. King Charles for a few years complained bitterly about his mother the Queen and how she had no time for him. Harry at the beginning of his self centered pity party reminded me of that. However I believe it was Meghan who saw she could be the catalyst for the self immolation that a not too bright man was headed for. She was the spark that ignited the perfect storm. Charles is bright and had the time to grow out of his pity party because he had a partner who loved him, not wanted to use him! Harry had neither the intellect or the luck to find someone who could save himself FROM himself!
The phone bill of 800 pounds in 1936 would be worth 71,000 pounds today.. 71,000 pounds is worth $94,000. Edward ran up a phone bill of $94,000 phone bill calling Wallis!
These readings are amazing, love the Hunter stories and I've long thought that Edward and Wallis could do with some scrutiny. I am enjoying it all, as much for your way of retelling these and your comments as anything else. ❤ We had a very narrow escape with David. He was an extremely selfish, self obsessed man, and his attitude was exactly the same as another royal.
At 12:18 you refer to Walllis' "terrible fate" "a love you don't feel," "a middle aged boy with no other purpose in life than a possessive passion for you." They are the same--greedy, selfish, amoral alley cats. However, Methane's degree of selfish avarice, jealousy, vindictiveness and cruelty far outstrips the amateur, Wallis. Methane is a category 9 hurricane of hate and destruction while Wallis is just a mediocre category 5. Methane knows how to put her pure evil unto action, especially when it comes to family, and sadly, even children and old folks. .
Well, like I said in the last video David and his siblings were raised messed up. Going to try to brief it as best as possible but it goes back, their father, King George V, was a strict man who once was in the Navy and commanded the same authority especially over his children. His own background is that he was the second son of Edward VII, the playboy king who was the son of Victoria and Albert. Growing up Albert had standards that he wanted Edward to live up to, but Edward refused to meet the basic requirements, a clash of ego personalities. Albert was raised in a broken home where his mother was prevented access to him and his brother and they lost her to death in their childhood, meanwhile his father was an adulterer who never really spent time with Albert. Mix that with Victoria’s mother who isolated her from the basics of standard living, sheltered that it was as if she was living in a prison, together they transformed the UK’s monarchy to symbolize family unity that Hanover dynasty failed to act upon with their own history of dysfunctional family relationships. So we have Albert wanting to make the effort to have children to care for and to make sure that they embody the virtuous principles that he’d hoped they would carry. Edward was maybe that 1 child that resented the notion he had to behave, and of course he was the oldest son, thus heir. It was his defiance of having an affair with an actress that led many, especially Victoria, blame Edward on Albert’s premature death because he caught a fever riding to have a serious talk to Edward about the rumors of the affair. To be fair, Albert had signs he could have had something else more dire like Crohn’s disease or a failing kidney. After Albert’s death, Victoria resented Edward and Edward just continued to be Edward. Then George was the second son of Edward, who likely knew of his father’s affair of his mother, probably wanted some standards to his life, and so he found that in the navy. His older brother, Albert, was to be married to Mary of Teck but he too died prematurely at the age of 28, as George was now heir and offered to marry Mary instead. A union that grew to admire each other and be dedicated to one another, however they really messed up their children, specifically David and Bertie. With George’s background, he wanted his standards met for a united image, Mary never thought twice how harsh George was to the children and allowed him to break down their confidence. It didn’t help matters that David and Bertie’s first nanny was too favorable too David and was abusive to Bertie that Bertie likely got his stammer because of the trauma that nanny put him through. It went undetected for too long before George and Mary fired the nanny, and by then it was too late for Bertie. So David’s background was a harsh and commanding father and a mother that didn’t really give the comfort children needed that made him warped. While Wallis was likely attempting to make her standards unbearable hoping he likely leave, it just made him clinch on as he never understood the affections of real love, the love language he knew was overbearing and harsh. Bertie was beyond lucky he found Elizabeth (the Queen mother) and while he deflected his proposal more than once, it was one of the few things he stood by on believing she was the one, and she really was as she had her own standards but they were not harsh and she was such a gracious supporter to him. Bertie blossomed because of Elizabeth and she gave him the strength to carry on the responsibility of king that he greatly needed, as well as gave him and her children the happiest family life they could have despite the circumstances of the world around them. Long comment, again, ugh. There is just a lot to study the history of this family’s relationship within the generations. And how many seems to have a pattern and habits of admirable and respected monarchs and the clown children or fathers that they gave to deal with. Most of what you described about Edward, a lot of it is stuff that Harry himself has done. Just like Chris Cristy mentioned that Harry thought it was a considerable gift to give the governor of a site where a horrible hurricane hit was a signed and framed photograph of himself. I think if you caught up with Harry just based on how things are shown in real life through the media, you’d see that Harry us another version of Edward VIII, both sincerely thought they could get paid for not doing the job that they stepped away from.
Napkin rings would have each family members initials so if the napkin wasn’t to dirty at the end of a meal you put it back into your napkin ring for next time. David as Royal would never have used napkin rings fresh linen at every meal
As i listen i just cringe at these people. When the ex-king is no longer able to put calls through, i figure the Queen had a lot to do with protecting her husband. These brothers were not the most spines of steel men. Elizabeth ( queen mum) was a bit of the power behind the crown. Thankfully she could be a hard nose when needed. Someone had to show some grit amongst all this mush. "David" was a buffoon... Glad that he abdicated .. what would U K much less the world look like now? I love your channel Cheere! ❤ ❤
You are creating a very positive community, and it starts from you: you look such a good, strong person, with a beautiful brain and you're lovely. I love your videos. Hugs from Italy. ❤
Congratulations I think with David’s houseguest behavior we have identified the origin of the cliche: no good deed goes unpunished! Bagpipes? Shoot just when you thought giving a drum set to your toddler was a bad idea you realize it can always get worse!
Wallace is not a traditionally sympathetic character but I do feel sorry for her about being stuck for life with an overgrown boy! When you marry for money you definitely earn every penny!!
I love Queen Elizabeth's low-key sense of humor. David's things were moved to Frogmore. Haha Now I know why the Queen let Harry and Meghan stay there.😂
Not exactly. Harry and Harry's Wife were given the use of Frogmore Cottage, not Frogmore (House). David's belongings would have been moved out on instructions from Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother.
I bought the audio version of the book. I thought I'd listened well to this chapter. Oh, my! What you caught, I missed entirely. Like, where was my mind when I listened? I'm headed back to the audio book to listen again. I want to be as indignant as you were 😂😂. I love your passion and your sharp analysis. Thank you.
@cheeredenise - I learned that lesson listening to audio bible. I must be getting old given my inability to extrapolate my learning to other books. 😂🤷
In hindsight, Wallace was the best thing to happen to the monarchy. We got the late Queen and not the traitor moron King. Who knew?
Yes I was thinking that also, it's such a good thing he did abdicate, the idea of him as king would have been disastrous!
We would have got Elizabeth eventually anyway even if David had remained King since he never had children. Just would have bypassed her father.
@@thatsfunny2051 true, which I think would have been a horrible shame, I do not think that King George VI gets as much praise, at least world wide, as he should. I'm also glad that Queen Elizabeth II came to the throne when she did rather than as a middle aged woman in her 40s.
I have said this elsewhere here.
The historical "What ifs" had Edward not abdicated and Wallace remained in his sphere as mistress or wife/queen are both intriguing and frightening.
How would a Edward led UK dealt with Hitler's rape of continent?
I recognize the UK is a constitutional monarchy, with a figurehead monarch.
But, having Simpson in the circles of influence might have further empowered Mosely.
And without Britain standing alone in 1940-41, would Henry Ford, Lindbergh, Joseph Kennedy, Father Coughlin and their ilk have swayed America into an alliance with Nazi Germany?
As I said, What if...
@@kamirobey175 King George VI REALLY did rise to the occasion, didn't he! As did his daughter, the very young Queen Elizabeth II. Considering any training they had for the job was through osmosis till then, and King George had more than the average set of difficulties and challenges on his plate, it doesn't seem possible that anyone could've outshined either of them.
How many bells is all this ringing with everyone?? History repeating itself!
I think our late Queen must have been thinking Deja vu, when Meghan and Harry started their antics. It's uncanny.
At this point I have to wonder if he communes with animals.
Hopefully the queen in her wisdom thought that reguardless of the trouble Harry's actions may have caused at the moment it would be worth it in the end. She had lived long enough to have witnessed the way it had been for the best for the commonwealth in this similar situation. She was sharp. I'm sure she saw the connections.
It is sad that her last days possibly were disturbed, having to wonder how this would play out.
It is so very clear who Harry shares his genes with. How Meghan managed to channel Wallace Simpson is uncanny! God works in mysterious ways in removing evil people from positions of power. George was an amazing King and he and his wife gave us the greatest Queen to ever sit on the throne. William and Catherine will be amazing future leaders.
MeAgain is not like Wallace. Wallace was messed up but she was no where near as bad as Harry’s wife!
The Queen mum told her husband bertie aka king George VI to not grant HRH to wallis . That motto should have applied to meghan & harry . To not recieve titles & HRH
That’s why she got the big wedding before they announced Mexit.
£800 translates to £10k. I love this book. They're are noticeable parallels between David and Harry. Both are entitled, ungrateful, selfish, and sanctimonious. I understand now why Meghan is often referred to as Walmart Wallace.
At the beginning of the episode, you warned that it would be long. I wanted more!
Thank you so much for your excellent review. This is definitely my favourite RUclips channel.
It is bizarre how many parallels exist between David and Harry, I'm astounded by so many comparisons there are - David and Harry, willing to throw away their family, their duty for a divorced American woman who wasn't really 'feeling it'. We now know that to be true of Wallace and I bet in time this will reveal itself in Meghan because I truly feel she married for status and money and does not love Harry. If she loved Harry would she have treated his family like this, would she isolate his friends? No. I think Harry will wind up being a sad figure like David, in fact neither will be happy.
I was actually rather stunned at how similar Harry & David actually are!
You are exactly right! Similar personalities, David and Harry. One as bad as the other.
While Harry & David so alike so are Migrane & Wallace who have something that men are drawn too. I won't get specific but will say I think they both had/have sailing skills that seem draw men in
This royal family really knows how to raise them!😢
Oh my word! "Slippers was a symbol of our love" ... "Those two palm trees are us, my love".
Vomit!
I can not believe how entitled David was but also how frighteningly similar Harry has behaved to him
He chose poorly to follow the wrong uncle’s example. Thankfully Harry was born the second child because today divorce is (sadly) so common it wouldn’t stir up the same controversy as in the past, example today both king and queen are divorced even though they had to wait until Diana died making Charles a technical widow to marry. It’s common knowledge that king & queen carried on an adulterous affair long
before and didn’t care who they hurt. With this kind of role model it’s unsurprising that one son followed the example the male family members set for him but also that the young pow followed his wonderful grandMOTHER’S example as monarch. Shamefully Harry learned nothing from history including his own family history. 🤷🏻♀️
🎗️🎺💐👸🏻let us commemorate the 70 * years Elizabeth II devoted to her family and country.
I think tere is special strain of crazy in that family.
That's kinda unfair to Chuck since he was in love with Cami when he was forced to marry D. He's been in love with one woman all this time. I don't look at matters of the heart rigidly. A lot of times people just grow out of each other or should never had married. This is definitely to be expected when a marriage is forced for whatever reason. You gotta give it to him. She was always & still is the one.😊
@@leesa3140
Not only the British royals.
Royal families around the
world are inbred (to a scary
degree!) Thankfully, Europe
now has republics and
constitutional monarchies.
The power of the Japanese
royal family has been severely
curtailed since the defeat of
Japan in WW2. Not so in
Brunei and a few other places.
But the Japanese who value
their homogeneous nation state
(very little immigration allowed)
still hold the JRF in very high
esteem. Some may (even in this
day and age) consider the emperor
to be a god/demigod.
@j aynetanner3757
All royals and nobles are
entitled. They believe that
their bloodlines are better
than those of other people.
David comes over as very needy. I would say there was co-dependency in the mix.
Harry also gave signed photos of himself as gifts! The similarities are endless. Seems some Windsor men just can’t get enough women who treat them like dirt.
I can’t imagine what someone is thinking when they gift pictures of themselves!! I couldn’t keep a straight face on either side of that exchange!
I had too read this twice.. does anyone actually believe that a signed copy of themselves is a good gifts....omw🫣
Everyone in my family in my fathers generation and before had their own silver napkin rings with their monogram. The idea was for normal family meals you’d keep your napkin in your own napkin ring so you’d know which one was yours so they could be reused for a few meals. If you were upper class let alone Royal it would have been considered an extremely middle class and bourgeois thing to do.
It's funny how king George moved David's belongings to Frogmore, which is the home queen Elizabeth gave to Harry and Meghan. I also read that queen Victoria moved her mother to Frogmore when she wanted her out of her life.
Frogmore seems to be where the royal family have been stashing their "problem relatives" for centuries 😂
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@@ariellagoichman3513 it was a rather amusing gotcha thing. She had had enough of her mother and her controlling lover who wanted very much to have control over Victoria, when Queen. The cottage was renowned for its frogs, croaking happily all night. Knew this would infuriate her mother. Hence its name, Frogmore. Whether or not they are still there it certainly amused Victoria, free at last.
The incidents with Harry and Megan are too similar for us not to make a two and two together situation. I think how you are reading the book with background information is truly fascinating and remarkable. How history is repeating itself. It is infinitely shocking. I read about Wallis and Edward years ago when information was tightly battened down so I am utterly enthralled. Gin and tonic on a Sunday and an hour with you and an absurdly fascinating couple’s history is a treat indeed. Thank you for what you do so professionally and amusingly.
❤😂 well said!!!!
Here, here 👏 👏👏
I’ve read that they had a ‘dom/sub’ relationship which kept them attached…
Sounds so like Megan
"He has never thought the matter out" - It's crazy how much he sounds like Harry! I swear it's like history is really repeating itself! David sounds like he was rotten to the core!
If anyone should query as to Harry’s father is then point them towards this book. It is uncanny how similar they are.
I thought this when it became clear after they ran from the RF as Harry’s true character became apparent.
Well I think neither of them has the ability to think anything more complicated than an entitled tantrum, through to its logical conclusion.
Complain, whine, act foolish and call his tart: Harry really IS the exact duplicate of this man.
The part of how much David felt was owed to him reminded me so much of Harry's outrage that Charles cut off his allowance after a year. What 35 year old man lives off his allowance. Neither David nor Harry thought about where their finances would come from. !!
All the wealthy. Do you think the children of the wealthy start off with nothing?
This is what happens
When u R never told "NO"
How on earth did Harry get all of his uncle’s genes? It’s uncanny!
Thank God for Wallis Simpson. If not for her, as a Jewish child, born in the UK in 1936, I probably would have shared the fate of my people in Europe.
Yep. And my Polish grandparents would not have been able to migrate to England
Thought exactly this, that how fortunate for the entire world that Edward was obsessed with Wallis Simpson.
The historical "What ifs" had Edward remained King and kept Wallace as a concubine, much less Queen are terrifying.
Yes. There are real repercussions to actions. Churchill was wrong when he diminished the issue and asked why the King couldn't have his 'cutie'. Integrity matters and so does taking responsibility and being of good character in positions of authority. That's why it's fundamentally important that ex-royal Harry be removed from the line of succession, from being Counsellor of State and he must never be allowed back into the Monarchy.
Wow, I’m only four minutes in but I know a little bit of the history. I have a feeling there’s a lot more I’m about to learn. Not only might some of us not be here, we never would’ve had Queen Elizabeth II or any of her descendants as monarch.
While I'm thinking of it, the Queen Mother absolutely HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATED Wallis - and it has always been reported the anger was because the abdication forced Bertie to become King and it severally affected the man mentally and took physical tolls on him that she believed contributed to his early death. I think the woman was keen enough to see through Wallis AND probably knew of all the crown money and jewels funneling to Wallis and Ernest - Like Catherine, she saw the grift.
Lacy C’s book indicates the likelihood of the Queen Mother being born from a surrogate who happened to be the cook Marguerite. In fact that was one of the QM’s middle names which was NOT a normal name for those aristos then. Some biographer’s think that David knew that and told Wallis and that’s why they called her “Cookie”. Also there is discussion that the QM wanted David not Bertie so she was jealous. Finally apparently the QM was jealous of Wallis who always looked sleek and slim and tailored whereas the QM was always in a huge frothy dress.
At 38 you point out what a cheapskate he was. But in reality he, like Harry, was really a man-child who had not been brought up with the concept of money. You should find and read the Bloch book which has his actual letters which are pretty much all in scary baby talk…. Sorry for all the comments… As I’ve mentioned it’s disappointing that Lownie is sensationalizing many of these things because the truth is disturbing enough without the hyperbole.
@dhjdmba5684 If this is true "that the QM fancied David first, she must have been so delighted she missed a bullet as we all did. She finished having a good and really genuine kindly guy in King George VI a true family man, and they were loved as a couple and admired all through WWII
@@dhjdmba5684 Lady C knows nothing of the birth of Elizabeth Bowes Lyon who seems to have had the measure of that ‘Lady’ too. Elizabeth was not born of a surrogate, and to call her ‘cookie’ is to be as low as Wallis who invented the name when she failed to manipulate Elizabeth.
I think the reason Churchill was so upset about the abdication was that he thought it would be demoralizing and destabilizing to the British people. Like any other political system, the British government system works because enough people believe it works. When people stop believing in the government, or at least stop being resigned to it, that's when it all topples over. To lose two kings within a year is a really big deal, and from what I understand, Bertie didn't have the benefit of good training for the job beforehand. That would be incredibly concerning at any time, but especially during this historical period with so much political upheaval in Europe.
Re: napkin rings…in some households, to save money on linens and wash water, each family member would be issued a napkin for the day. At the end of the meal, family members would put their napkin in their individual napkin ring so that they would use the same napkin at the next meal of the day. The British Royal family is known for their economy, especially with the children, so I’m betting that was the practice in David’s nursery, and he was perplexed napkins were being reused in restaurants.
This is so helpful!!
Brilliant, I get it now! Thank you!
David had someone over for lunch when he asked the question about napkin rings - they weren't in a restaurant. Ew!
This is a great series. Thank you so much. Thank God that William was born first. David sounds a lot like Harry. the only difference is that Walis was much smarter than Meghan. It's amazing how history repeats itself. Thanks again for this book club.❤
He does, I can't believe the amount of similarities. They sound so alike it is surreal.
First time as tragedy, second time as farce. Wallis definitely had something to her; she could converse intelligently with serious men, which is not true of Meghan.
I started to say, but what if Harry was firstborn and Meg drew him away to US just like D&W. Then I shuddered at the thought of how much he and his wife covet the throne for selfish desire and ugh, what a mess that would be. 😮
Just wait. Megan will write a book comparing herself with a long suffering Wallace!
@@Wanda711 I’ve seen Interviews with people who knew Wallace and Edward that said she was very intelligent, charming and captivating. Her personality, unlike Edward’s, was very extroverted and with her wit and humor she kept him and others enthralled.
For many years I thought it unfair that people put the blame on "the woman" in the "Mrs Simpson and the king"-scenario. Even when her letters to her previous husband came to light, I thought she was a woman trapped by the circumstances. However, it seemed she put herself in that position, which seemed a little strange. Learning a little more about it, I have become more and more convinced that she was playing her own game and that she over-estimated her cleverness and importance (just like a more recent well.known social climber). Both her high ambitions and the way she was treating David (who seems to have been as shallow, self-centered and gullible as a more recent well-known prince) seem to be strong indications of a narcissistic personality. She probably saw nothing wrong in what she was doing, and I feel more and more certain that they both thought that the reaction to him having to give up the throne for love, would be an uproar from the people with a demand that their beloved king could marry whomever he wanted, as long as he stayed.
You are right about Wallis knowing that David was not cheating on her. By accusing him, though, she would keep him on his toes and constantly being worried about her leaving him. If she had let him feel that she loved and trusted him, he might not have tried to do everything to please her. Remember all the things she gave up for him... 😉
Agree, like a cat toying with a mouse.
Interesting... I always thought of her as a terrible example of 'be careful what you wish for' when she intrigued to get with David. Then I heard about the shocking agreement with the Nazis, which rather chimes with your analysis. If she was such a manipulator, karma really showed her her own limits. Can't help rather hoping the same may happen to Harry's wife. 🤔
@@elinstar6034 It kind of has. If the stories about them suggesting that W and H should share the title Prince of Wales (and the income from the Duchy of Cornwall, I guess) there is every chance they were thinking that they would become so popular that the people of the UK would insist on W&C stepping down and leaving the throne to the wonderful swan from the Americas and her husband...
Instead they ended up having to leave the country (for unknown reasons, I suspect). Just like Wallis and David expected to set up their own "royal court" in France back in the days, H and his wife seemingly expected to be able to pick and choose their circle of friends in Hollywood. This also seems to have failed, and she is now reduced to go to concerts and try to get her picture taken with someone famous (presumably - I have never heard of them).
The more people learn about her, the less they would want to be friends with or work with her. Royalty is not as exotic and interesting as it seemed in the 1930-s, so there is not much to milk out of that udder.
Btw, most of this in my conclusion based on rumours and an idea about how they might think - not necessarily how it actually is.
Perhaps she didn’t bet on him abdicating and wanted a Nazi sympathiser as king!! Probably thats why she was so mean to him later on as she got stuck with him and he was no use!
Makes you wonder if Harold treated the celebrities who so generously loaned them homes and private planes for their “escape” in the same “you’re so lucky to be helping me” condescending manner as David treated people. He (and ME-Gain)seem very much cut from the same ME ME ME cloth.
❤I am so happy you are back. I am loving “Traitor” & can’t wait for the next chapter. Honestly I am shocked at how much David & Harry are alike in every way! I really believe it was a blessing to the Monarchy when he abdicated! Amen!
George the Giant Slayer calls Meghan, Walmart Wallace lololol
There’s a RUclips video I watched recently where a historian found letters that Wallis had written to her friends & ex-husband Earnest. They were quite revealing in that she didn’t want to divorce Earnest, how she loved him, how dull she found David & he wanted like a ‘lapdog’, & seemed to revel in being treated poorly by her. The worse she demeaned him, the more pleasure he seemed to enjoy. It detailed how she became lovers with David (one of his regular mistresses who had to return to the US for several months set them up). Earnest was fully aware of the relationship, & it was about social climbing & building better business relationships for Earnest (Wallis simply wanted to circulate in higher society, & enjoyed the expensive gifts her lovers - especially David - lavished on her). At first she loved that she had the King’s total affections, thinking she would become Queen. As soon as she learned about the abdication, she wanted out. She wrote to Earnest ‘what a mess I have made, my dearest’.
I suppose Wallis had at least the loyalty to stay with David the rest of her life. I doubt M will do the same…
I think Ernest was plan b when she realised she wasn't going to be queen but still stuck with pow
I don’t know if it was loyalty to him so much as desire to maintain her position. As his ex she would be back to being a poor insignificant.
I think she realized it was David or nothing after the Abdication. She wasn't a woman who could just settle down to a quiet life, playing bridge with a few friends twice a week. She needed to be in SOCIETY - she thrived on it, both the money and the attention. If she dumped David, she'd be completely ostracized by high society she valued, branded as a gold-digging user and a shallow, bed-hopping flirt. 'The greatest love story ever told' was her shield against such accusations; if she abandoned it, she'd have nothing.
I think also that Wallis never public ally trashed the monarchy whatever she said or wrote in private.
No, I don’t think Wallis did ever trash the Monarchy. Ultimately though, a motive for this may have been to retain the income & lifestyle to which she had become accustomed.
When she passed away, look at some of her belongings that went up for auction. Like MM, she wanted all the top designer brands, trinkets, jewellery, etc. In terms of love & happiness her life was ultimately a disappointment with David, but in regard to crass materialism, it was a winning goal.
As an interesting fact, Dodi’s father bought Wallis & David’s property, thinking that it would be the perfect home for Diana & his son (I think after they died?)
Did you know that david made the king buy back barmoral castle ? He black mailed them for both Balmoral & sandrhiam
Wow! Didn’t know this. He was doing way too much🤣
What was the bkackmail😮
Charles is more like David! Except David had the sense to give up the thrown and not marry someone he didn’t love to please the Royal Family!
Your 100% correct. Wallis and her husband were con artists and the con backfired, and she got stuck with him. And good thing too. You should read his letters, a horrible whining little man.
Ernest Simpson got a big pay-off no doubt to keep him quiet and stop him ghosting a book.
I've always found the story of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor fascinating, because when I was a little girl, my mother told me that he'd given up the throne for the woman he loved and I thought that was so romantic...then I began to look into his story myself and I was horrified. The first thing that I discovered that disgusted me was his callousness when talking about his younger brother, Prince John's death. Then when I saw someone who had witnessed this event, talking about how Wallis had made David beg like a dog when he asked for a cigarette...this was in front of other people. By the time I found out about the Nazi stuff, I had no sympathy for him...maybe I should have a tiny bit, but I can't.
Whenever,David would leave a room Wallis would make barking sounds..She even went as far as doing that when he would leave the dinner table in front of all of their friends..😮
Historically, napkin rings WERE meant for the user of the napkin to refold and insert for use at the next meal.
NAPKIN RINGS were originally used so that, after the meal, the napkin could be rolled up in it and left on the table. It would then be reused by the same person for several meals in a row. Each person had their own distinctive ring (often with their name or initials engraved) so they would know which was theirs. It was more of a middle class tradition, used before household appliances were common, when washing linen daily was a luxury. Nowadays, napkin rings are strictly decorative and sign of elegance.
Thank the Lord David abdicated!! George was a much better man & King!!!!
Re the napkins. David is accustomed to having a servant place the napkin on his lap for him. He had never seen napkins in rings.
What’s worse, is Kitty had all her possessions & property confiscated by the Nazis, & barely escaped with her life having to seek refugee status in the US. It makes David’s abuse of her generosity & affiliation with the Nazi’s that much worse. Ultimately, his only loyalty was to Wallis.
Wow! What a rat!! Actually a rat is too noble. Jeez!! How awful.
Not relevant, what happened to all the money the Nazi’s stole?
Was thinking the same !
Oof, never ever ever will I ask again whether the Queen Mother wasn't too harsh towards this unbearable man. Way too decent and graceful she was!
She refused to be in the same room as "that woman" (as she called Wallis).
Th autographed picture made me laugh out loud. Harry gave out hand signed books to flight attendants. Both very spoiled boys.
I thought the royal family weren’t allowed to sign autographs. This seems to be stupid and dangerous, did he not learn from is uncle Andrew autographs, pictures could be very costly. 😂
He gave them copies - because he couldn't sell them! It was the biggest load of tosh!
In other words written whilst on drugs full of fabrication. He made a fool of himself publishing this tripe about his todger!
Lesson harry Meeagain will use the material on your drug taking when she's looking to divorce you! She will make your life he'll! Just like you made life he'll for your family. KARMA
There’s been long speculation that Prince Harry is not Charles III’s biological son. But after listening to the audiobook, I’ve come to realize that Harry truly is a Windsor. He’s too much like his great-great-uncle to not be related to him. These Windsor manbabies are something else. I understand why a lot of Brits want to abolish the monarchy.
18th Earl of Pembroke doppelganger. Google the picture side by side and the morphing picture along with it
Harry is facially like Diana’s brother Charles.
@@carebear381 Good catch!
@@carebear381oh yes! It's as clear as daylight and I'm glad you brought it up.
Oh yes. H is Charles son! You can tell the family legacy
What's blown my mind most is how interesting you have made this book so far . Maybe Herman is Wallis version of Meghan's Markus Anderson
Yes!!! An exact replica of that situation!
Only you could make such a boring example of a man so interesting and entertaining. Thank you so much.
Napkin rings in the old days were for re-use of napkins that weren't dirty. If you used napkin and it wasn't dirty, it was put back in ring to use again during that day
Omg! David and Harry are twin sons of different mothers! Seems like Wallis and Meghan are pretty good manipulating dominatrixes but one is the style setter and the other is just messy!
Reminds me of how MeGain sent her lavish clothes/jewelry/shoe shopping bill to Invictus this year. She literally had no boundary in sight - and she expects this! Did any of you hear what she DEMANDED of her German hosts? They told her to bug off, and that is why I think she was four days late making her grand arrival.
I grew up hearing many of these tales. My mother used to regale me with the sordid gossip about David & Wallis & it sounds as though what she was telling me was more accurate than I had thought. She also shared the stories about the '"romantic" skills Wallis supposedly learned while in China & how they helped her to entice & eventually trap the little weasel, David. His stepping aside was without a doubt the best thing that could have happened to the British monarchy. Those two deserved each other.
Wow, that's interesting. Do you remember any details? Fascinating.
Really enjoying this series! David passed long before Harry's birth. Wallace only passed in 1986 when Rachel was already here on this earth. Had she passed prior to Rachels' birth i would 100% believe in reincarnation with these 2. lol
How eerie that H & M ended up living within the same grounds as David & Wallis were buried.
Ironic that QE2 made available to MM on the spectacle (I mean Wedding day) the same car that drove Wallis to David’s funeral….. LOL 😂 both very strategic moves by HMQ.
Churchill supported Edward 8th to the extent of shouting at Baldwin in the Commons that he, Baldwin, wouldn't be satisfied until the King was broken. And Dear David repaid him with mockery. That tells you all you need to know about David's character.
Very good video today. 🌹
David was the original Niles Crane. 😂
Kitty Rothschild...
Opens up her house and summons a bunch of servants up from Paris to help out a friend, who quickly wears out his welcome because he's a nuisance, won't tip the servants, won't pay his own shopping bills, plays bagpipes at 3 am, can't be bothered to thank her for anything...
Then on top of that, she gets accused of being in love with him.
Truly no good deed goes unpunished. 😂
I'm a year behind with this. Started with the Housekeeper's Diary & became addicted to this form of reviewing. How do you manage to be so productive? Please don't take any of these down until I & others catch up. 🙏
I already knew quite a lot about David and his shortcomings. But am coming to this video a bit late. Just listening to the bit about the lame Xmas gift of a signed photo, the day after H was revealed to have left signed copies of his book as a “tip” for hotel staff. The parallels are frightening. Not good people
My mother was born in 1932. She would talk about the D&DoW with disdain and ridicule. I never really understood why she cared; we're Canadian and she was not really interested in the monarchy. Now I get it. Mom died 10 years ago. Boy, I wish I could tell her that history has repeated itself!
Just like Harry and Megamess, ALWAYS happy for SOMEBODY ELSE to pick up the Tab!
The psychology of the D&DoW is fascinating. She was of good stock, but born in the poor branch of the family. She watched her mother live on the goodwill of various uncles after her father passed away. She was jealous of her well-to-do cousins and their apparent advantages. So she grew up to spend her life taking advantage of men and craving every luxury to bolster her feelings of security and worthiness. She once said: "I knew I would never be the prettiest woman in the room, so I decided I would be the best-dressed and most interesting"
On the other hand he was deeply scarred by his childhood, terrorized by his father and surviving a sadist of a nanny, who would beat him and starve him and pinch him just before his parents visited, so he would always be crying when they saw him. It is believed that this abuse of the royal children by their nanny also resulted in poor Bertie's stammer. So David grew up to crave being bossed about and talked down to, because his mind had been warped to believe that this was love.
A very sad little pair, but ever so interesting!
Oh wow, how interesting and sad to learn about his childhood, that makes sense. We know from all european roayal families that the children were treated awfully throughout the last centuries (mostly for educational reasons) and often had deeply wounded souls and then developped strange, pathological behaviours & habits. I'm thinking of the Habsburgers here, in general but especially the family of Franz Joseph I and Elisabeth. I guess it all reflects this special time and its spirit.
Cheere, you are gorgeous as you are, grow old gracefully as I am sure you will. You have a beautiful attitude. Good for you young lady, I’m proud of you.
Thank you so much!
So glad you chose this book. I knew next to nothing about them. It looks like they did a copy and paste job with H&M. David was a sniveling crybaby and mooch who could do no wrong and Simpson was behind the scenes pulling his strings. Their sympathies for the Nazi party are truly shocking. As many have said before, Thank God David abdicated and the world got Queen Elizabeth!!!
Loving this book! And didn't Harry give someone an autographed copy of Spare as a thank you gift?? Really, the parallels between David/Wallis and Harry/Meghan almost makes a case for reincarnation. It's eerie. This is really MY favorite channel.
I've been listening to a lot of this whilst cooking at work! Brilliant video Cheere Denise - I still think it's so strange how there are so many parallels between the contemporary breakaway royals to these two. A mis match of love, iffy connections - a nazi costume and the Nazis! No seriously the blood diamonds as worn by Meghan Markle, the sheer greed of David and Harry, the entitlement, the fakery of Wallace and Meghan. The treatment of staff, past then present. The callous disregard of familial feelings. The more you look the weirder this is! David sounded like a pretty awful person, he sounded incredibly spoilt and immature, even worse than Harry! Going to listen again properly later on my dog walk, loving your videos ! 🤗🤗
My conscious bias tells me this is their class traits. Entitlement, snobbery and disregard. This chapter gives me a lot more understanding and respect for QEII oath of a life of service.
Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh, did a wonderful documentary on Edward. I believe it is "Edward on Edward."
This has just made my Sunday, thank you lovely girl, you are such a ray of sunshine. ❤
For me too 👍🇦🇺
@@michelegraham9044I agree, I miss the shed but the new background is very acceptable
Yes, she is. So hilarious 😂. And I would LOVE to have her magnificent, long , shiny hair!!!
I bought and read the whole book since your last video. (which is probably why I'm not allowed in book clubs) I kept seeing the parallels to the Harkles through the entire thing.. Love this channel!
We can be your book club! Club Cheere
I’m really loving this book and your telling of it. It’s hard not to draw comparisons between D/W and H/M. If anything, Harry should have known enough of his family history to avoid repeating it, even though we all know he’s a terrible student. But his grandmother could have told him plenty. No wonder they all saw M coming a mile away. 🤯
My parents were born in 1903 and 1907. My father gave me his love of history among other interests. A long time ago we were talking about David. He told me how incredibly loved and popular he was. Women threw themselves at him. He was also very good looking when young and not remote from the public as were so many royals at that time. With limited publicity about him, no television, just the ewspapers which were very tightly controlled by their owners. I can think of Lord Beaverbrooke as one at the moment and thus much was kept from the British newspapers compared to the American. He visited the coal miners one day who were living in dire poverty. Owned by the mine owners for everything. Housing, company shops for food, poor wages, horrible safety conditions. A strike was being considered as they were starving, a high birth rate and he stood in front of these men and families and said 'Something has got to be done! This is disgraceful, etc'. Well, everyone went mad for him. His popularity soared, his jocular smile, waving and although he wasnt king yet it was eagerly awaited. There was even a tremendously popular song written about him, a line went ...I danced with a girl who danced with a man who danced a girl who danced with the Prince of Wales. Of course all this time he was seeing Wallis and avoiding Queen Mary and King George V who had treated his children brutally and very little love from the Queen. To finally get to the point that his father died from constant smoking, David went into a panic and those poor miners never did get what he so cheerfully promised. How very much like Harry he was. Wallis was panicked as her husband was her lifesaver and knew of the affair. I too don't know why she didn't run for the hills. She received beautiful jewellery from him but wasn't avaricious like Markle. He like Harry needed a mother. All his mistresses were older married women. The whole story is one you can't put down. Matriarch by Anne Edwards is excellent telling the children's story from the beginning and explains a lot. It just gets better Cheere! So pleased to hear you. I've banged on too much but did want to get across how much he was adored at one time. He was rotten at the core though and I put a lot of blame on the father who vowed to make his children as terrified of him as he had been of his father. Britain was, I believe, the last country to know about Wallis. We were so lucky ultimately having dear Bertie, George VI as king giving us Queen Elizabeth for all those years and no German invasion. So sorry for the length but it is a great story.
What a great way to start the day! And I got my copy of 'Traitor King' from the library day before yesterday, so I can actually read along this time! Hard to believe this guy was over 40 when this was happening; complete case of arrested development, and I'm sure the British public had no idea. They just saw the image of the slim, breezy 'eligible bachelor' who'd somehow managed to get to middle age without being able to land a nice woman who didn't already belong to someone else.
Sounds like someone else I know, only this one went lower than Wallis, way lower.
He was an absolute horror. What child. Why do they all enable each other, these rich, elite individuals? Keep the establishment afloat I guess. Just churns my stomach. Oh.,,and great to see you! Love your book hours!!
It was astonishing to see Harry's true character emerge from the clouds of 'cheeky lovable rogue' the Palace had wrapped round him. No wonder their pr is so effective, they've been practicing for decades. 😮
It has to be said that Churchill was an old fashioned romantic (about life, not just about 'affairs of the heart'). This wasn't uncommon in people of his age- they were brought up on the great stories, true or not, of 1,000 plus years of English/British history, glorious battles won AND lost, larger than life men and women, strength in the face of disaster. He would have been right there with Sir Walter Raleigh throwing down his cloak for the first Elizabeth to cross a puddle or applauding as Sir Francis Drake was knighted by her on the deck of his own ship. He also wept fairly easily. This was partly what made him a successful leader in 1940- he was able to tap into the collective 'soul' of the nation.
He was also a historian, and had written books about English history. He really had a romantic idea of monarchy and the long line of kings and queens that had ruled England. I read 'Edward and Mrs. Simpson' years ago, and remember feeling very impatient about Churchill's stubbornness over Edward and his floozy. He was trying to cram Edward into a familiar box that just didn't fit. He came round pretty quickly though, and I think he saw getting rid of Edward as a godsend, considering how adamant he was about opposing the Nazis.
Also he was emotional bc he was most likely Bipolar. He called his depressive period “his black dog”. I think he used his mental illness to his advantage to show he wasn’t an unfeeling politician.
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From some of the things I’ve read..Princess Margaret was very entitled and expected the same from whom ever she was visiting
It was a family trait; Queen Mary would admire objects d'art in stately homes whilst visiting and the expectation was it would be gifted to her.
Balmoral and Sandringham are not Crown estates but private family properties inherited by the eldest. Hence the bitter fight to get them back for the future of the Royal Family.
That part is awful! David is a whiny bully
I can’t believe the nerve of giving your hosts your bills to pay! Maybe it’s cause I’m American but I won’t show up to anyone’s house empty handed. I feel like with David you need to check his luggage for your good dishes!
Hi Che a box of Wallace's letters were found from Wallace to Ernist. Who she clearly states she loved. Seems Wallace only wante what she could not have! They truly deserved each other! He died calling for her while she sat in the other room. Harry should listen to this!!!
David is the 1
Who designed golf pants 2 have a lining
If they leave they should not have titles period . When you leave a job your benefits stop it’s the same thing .
They made his character so glamorous in Downton Abbey! This story makes me want to watch The King’s Speech again (when his brother George had to take over the throne)
I remember looking at a history book with my granny and looking at the page about Edward VIII. Oh the rant, she was a child when he abdicated. She talked about how upset everyone was in England and how horrible she thought he was. This was in around the early nineties. It surprised me on how much anger and resentment she felt about it after such a long time. Very interesting how the royal family affected the people and still do
I wonder if we need to send Harry a copy of this book, he can put it next to Spare on his bookshelf.
During your ‘24 Christmas break, I’m enjoying Traitor King. Wishing you a wonderful time with your family and a very blessed Christmas! ❤
Isn’t it strange that we went from the possibility of having to suffer from the worst king of all time to recently losing the greatest monarch of them all. I’m enjoying learning about this story in more depth so thank you.
I’m gonna have to read this! It’s interesting to hear all this because Lady C paints a different picture in her book about the Queen Mum. It never sat well with me how she blames her for everything instead of David. I’m feeling all her books are unreliable now.
King Charles isn't big fan of Lady C even before Lady C wrote nasty Book about Queen mother.
The moment I read that Queen mother and king George VI didn't much physical relationship after honeymoon I thought this book is BS.
I mean before George VI got interested in Elizabeth Bowes Lyon he had many mistresses why would he put up with Queen mother if she was like Lady C paints her to be.
George VI also had hot tamper like his father but he was very tender with his wife and children.
Why did king George VI remain loyal to Queen mother if she was that bad?
Why was Queen mother favorite daughter in law of King George V?
Why did men in grey suits liked her respected her?
I don't believe for 1 second that Queen Elizabeth II wasn't conceived naturally.
I don't believe Queen mother's real mother was french cook because Queen mother looked so much like Countess of strathmore?
There is not single proof that Queen mother wanted to marry David.
Lady C also gave a pass to Mohammed al Fayad and Prince Andrew was blaming their victims.
Lady C is gossip girl and author of this book is historian and has receipts for his every claims.
@@krishnavyas313 you are 100% spot on I believe and the only reason she got by with all that is because the Royal Family has to rise above. Also she never ever gives sources and she’s a mean old hag! She came after Cheere she is on a rampage about go fund me now and when she called them she was immediately hostile and arrogant with the girl that answered the phone, she speaks down in America all the time and I even found that some of her criticism of Meghan when she was growing up was just her criticizing American life styles. She always gives playboy old pervs a pass cause she’s writhing around on her couch wishing they would hit on her. Gross!!! I really think she’s the biggest narcissist around and I think her boys know it too. Have you seen her with them when she’s saying was I a good mother to you? Was I harsh? Like WTH?
@@krishnavyas313 I just found out about this lady C. I don't think she's a reliable author at all. Just gossipy.
That Herman is kind of a parallel to Marcus Anderson, isn´t he?😂 I keep drawing parallels between the two couples, I can´t help it! Also thanking UKs lucky stars that Harry wasn´t born first. I had no idea David (Edward) was such an utter nob. Keep going Cheere, this is great entertainment!
Signed pictures of oneself as a present, brilliant. I've been trying to figure out what to give family members for Christmas.
The napkin rings, in those days when items were washed by hand. Often the napkins would be used more than once before washing. Because of this often each napkin ring would have a unique pattern or the persons monogram on the ring. That way you wouldn't get someone elses soiled napkin. Usually this would apply to middle class or less well off households. It's something Edward may not have come across before. So it woukd be strange for him to out his napkin back into its ring.
In reference to Balmoral and Sandringham they are private property they don't fall under the crown estate as Windsor and Buckingham Palace do. Therefore he had inherited the properties as the oldest son not as the kings successor.
The duchy's of Lancashire and Cornwall belong to the family but the way they are set up is the duchy of Lancashire belongs to the sovereign and Cornwall belongs to the heir apparent which was established in 1461 by King Edward IV where he confirmed that the duchy would be inherited by the monarch, but held separately from the Crown Estate.
You know, character traits DO pass down bloodlines. King Charles for a few years complained bitterly about his mother the Queen and how she had no time for him. Harry at the beginning of his self centered pity party reminded me of that.
However I believe it was Meghan who saw she could be the catalyst for the self immolation that a not too bright man was headed for. She was the spark that ignited the perfect storm.
Charles is bright and had the time to grow out of his pity party because he had a partner who loved him, not wanted to use him!
Harry had neither the intellect or the luck to find someone who could save himself FROM himself!
The phone bill of 800 pounds in 1936 would be worth 71,000 pounds today.. 71,000 pounds is worth $94,000. Edward ran up a phone bill of $94,000 phone bill calling Wallis!
Oh my goodness Cheere, this is great. I must say that we British have had some right high profile weirdos in our history lol
I’m loving your reading of
“Traitor King”.
Thank you Cheere.x
These readings are amazing, love the Hunter stories and I've long thought that Edward and Wallis could do with some scrutiny.
I am enjoying it all, as much for your way of retelling these and your comments as anything else. ❤
We had a very narrow escape with David. He was an extremely selfish, self obsessed man, and his attitude was exactly the same as another royal.
At 12:18 you refer to Walllis' "terrible fate" "a love you don't feel," "a middle aged boy with no other purpose in life than a possessive passion for you." They are the same--greedy, selfish, amoral alley cats. However, Methane's degree of selfish avarice, jealousy, vindictiveness and cruelty far outstrips the amateur, Wallis. Methane is a category 9 hurricane of hate and destruction while Wallis is just a mediocre category 5. Methane knows how to put her pure evil unto action, especially when it comes to family, and sadly, even children and old folks. .
Yeah plus Meghan was DESPERATE to marry Harry, while Wallis wanted to avoid marrying David
Well, like I said in the last video David and his siblings were raised messed up. Going to try to brief it as best as possible but it goes back, their father, King George V, was a strict man who once was in the Navy and commanded the same authority especially over his children. His own background is that he was the second son of Edward VII, the playboy king who was the son of Victoria and Albert. Growing up Albert had standards that he wanted Edward to live up to, but Edward refused to meet the basic requirements, a clash of ego personalities. Albert was raised in a broken home where his mother was prevented access to him and his brother and they lost her to death in their childhood, meanwhile his father was an adulterer who never really spent time with Albert. Mix that with Victoria’s mother who isolated her from the basics of standard living, sheltered that it was as if she was living in a prison, together they transformed the UK’s monarchy to symbolize family unity that Hanover dynasty failed to act upon with their own history of dysfunctional family relationships.
So we have Albert wanting to make the effort to have children to care for and to make sure that they embody the virtuous principles that he’d hoped they would carry. Edward was maybe that 1 child that resented the notion he had to behave, and of course he was the oldest son, thus heir. It was his defiance of having an affair with an actress that led many, especially Victoria, blame Edward on Albert’s premature death because he caught a fever riding to have a serious talk to Edward about the rumors of the affair. To be fair, Albert had signs he could have had something else more dire like Crohn’s disease or a failing kidney. After Albert’s death, Victoria resented Edward and Edward just continued to be Edward. Then George was the second son of Edward, who likely knew of his father’s affair of his mother, probably wanted some standards to his life, and so he found that in the navy. His older brother, Albert, was to be married to Mary of Teck but he too died prematurely at the age of 28, as George was now heir and offered to marry Mary instead. A union that grew to admire each other and be dedicated to one another, however they really messed up their children, specifically David and Bertie.
With George’s background, he wanted his standards met for a united image, Mary never thought twice how harsh George was to the children and allowed him to break down their confidence. It didn’t help matters that David and Bertie’s first nanny was too favorable too David and was abusive to Bertie that Bertie likely got his stammer because of the trauma that nanny put him through. It went undetected for too long before George and Mary fired the nanny, and by then it was too late for Bertie.
So David’s background was a harsh and commanding father and a mother that didn’t really give the comfort children needed that made him warped. While Wallis was likely attempting to make her standards unbearable hoping he likely leave, it just made him clinch on as he never understood the affections of real love, the love language he knew was overbearing and harsh.
Bertie was beyond lucky he found Elizabeth (the Queen mother) and while he deflected his proposal more than once, it was one of the few things he stood by on believing she was the one, and she really was as she had her own standards but they were not harsh and she was such a gracious supporter to him. Bertie blossomed because of Elizabeth and she gave him the strength to carry on the responsibility of king that he greatly needed, as well as gave him and her children the happiest family life they could have despite the circumstances of the world around them.
Long comment, again, ugh. There is just a lot to study the history of this family’s relationship within the generations. And how many seems to have a pattern and habits of admirable and respected monarchs and the clown children or fathers that they gave to deal with. Most of what you described about Edward, a lot of it is stuff that Harry himself has done. Just like Chris Cristy mentioned that Harry thought it was a considerable gift to give the governor of a site where a horrible hurricane hit was a signed and framed photograph of himself. I think if you caught up with Harry just based on how things are shown in real life through the media, you’d see that Harry us another version of Edward VIII, both sincerely thought they could get paid for not doing the job that they stepped away from.
Napkin rings would have each family members initials so if the napkin wasn’t to dirty at the end of a meal you put it back into your napkin ring for next time.
David as Royal would never have used napkin rings fresh linen at every meal
As i listen i just cringe at these people. When the ex-king is no longer able to put calls through, i figure the Queen had a lot to do with protecting her husband. These brothers were not the most spines of steel men. Elizabeth ( queen mum) was a bit of the power behind the crown. Thankfully she could be a hard nose when needed. Someone had to show some grit amongst all this mush. "David" was a buffoon... Glad that he abdicated .. what would U K much less the world look like now? I love your channel Cheere! ❤ ❤
I remember hearing that Hitler was afraid of her.
Amazing parallel to Meghan and Harry .Their entitlement is unbelievable!
Great review thank you
You are creating a very positive community, and it starts from you: you look such a good, strong person, with a beautiful brain and you're lovely. I love your videos. Hugs from Italy. ❤
28:12 I love Tommy Lasells. He made no bones about truth and what was right.
So good to see you again. I love your new book nook. 😊
I could listen to you for hours. Wait, I have! Haha
You are a dear Cheere.❤
Congratulations I think with David’s houseguest behavior we have identified the origin of the cliche: no good deed goes unpunished! Bagpipes? Shoot just when you thought giving a drum set to your toddler was a bad idea you realize it can always get worse!
Wallace is not a traditionally sympathetic character but I do feel sorry for her about being stuck for life with an overgrown boy! When you marry for money you definitely earn every penny!!
Brrrrr, chilling to be likened to the spoiled child who was given everything but a soul. Good book.
OMG! £800 in 1936 is equivalent to $17,782 today! 😱🤯
I love Queen Elizabeth's low-key sense of humor. David's things were moved to Frogmore. Haha
Now I know why the Queen let Harry and Meghan stay there.😂
Not exactly. Harry and Harry's Wife were given the use of Frogmore Cottage, not Frogmore (House). David's belongings would have been moved out on instructions from Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother.
@DavinaWilson58 Yes, but since H ,& M don't know their history and Queen Elizabeth did, only she would understand the parallel.
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The mirroring of H and even M is insane. Wow.
I bought the audio version of the book. I thought I'd listened well to this chapter. Oh, my! What you caught, I missed entirely. Like, where was my mind when I listened? I'm headed back to the audio book to listen again. I want to be as indignant as you were 😂😂. I love your passion and your sharp analysis. Thank you.
Audiobooks tend to be hard for me to focus on. I catch maybe 75% of it.
@cheeredenise - I learned that lesson listening to audio bible. I must be getting old given my inability to extrapolate my learning to other books. 😂🤷