@@ultimatelifeform9741 I feel a little meh about voli as someone who loved old voli. New voli is fun. It's really just his casterlike e that had me eh about the rework
I played some old warwick sporadically, and fell in love with him after the rework, he is my main to this day. I would love to see you play more of him
Been playing since beta, prerework Warwick and Galio were probably my two most played champions in the early seasons. Warwick's upgrade was absolutely amazing, but man do I miss old Galio.
i miss old galio Q so much, it was so satisfying hitting it, and it wasnt easy either, and the E giving movementspeed to your allies and yourself, and the W that you could use on teammate to redirect dmg and heal from it? I cant quite remember ! ANYWAYS ! He was a fine champ, dont know why they didnt keep his signature ult.
Warwick was my first real main, he remains one of my favorite champions. The did a perfect rework with Warwick. They didn't really change him, they just made him more interesting and raised his skill ceiling through the roof
how i wish that was the case foe other reworks, a lot of them, while making the champion more relevant or "fun", just have a completely different role and gameplay
Dang, the old and new WW and Mord are complete opposites. They reworked WW from a low-skill expression champ who has most of their power in their ult that enemies would buy a qss for. For Mordekaiser, they reworked him INTO an arguably lower skill expressive champ compared to the old, who would have a reliance on ult that enemies would buy a qss for...
I'd argue new mord is more skill expressive, especially when his q and e are both skill shots that require a deeper thought process to land on mobile champs. His ult I can agree with, but if an adc buy's a QSS your priority target just switches, which IMO is a different form of skill expression in it's own right. But perhaps we have different definitions of what "skill expression" is. (Also this is not me critiquing your opinion, I just find it interesting how different our views are.)
I agree its kinda frustrating when they use QSS or some other item to cancel your ult and you are left inside. I wish they added a recast to end the ult sooner if the enemy escapes.
@@JOR569 Sure against immobile champs they are, but as soon as you run into a champ that can kite those abilities become heavily reliant on your skill level and how you manage to land them. If you need to slow down their AD's kiting you need to buy rylai's in order to slow them down, and IMO itemization is a form of skill expression that is reliant on your skill level with a specific champion. AKA higher skill-expression. Morde and his new q has much more "skill expression" than his old one. During the lane phase you want to maneuver yourself in a specific way that allows you to get isolated Q damage in order to win trades against your laner, vs old morde which essentially just had you walk up and bonk your lane opponent three times. His E has multiple applications as well, you can use it to pull enemies towards you in numerous different ways, and also keep them away from you. And while the ability is pretty easy to land early game, once your going against a late game AD, your essentially fucked if you miss it.
This rework is the best one they have done by far. The playstyle remained almost unchanged unlike Aatrox or sion, while adding so much more depth and interaction to the whole kit without overtuning him like some other reworks did Irelia and Akali.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 You realize overtuned Champs get nerfed all the time right? Irelia was busted asf when she came out, gutted tons of stuff she used to be able to do.
@@decidueyezealot8611 hmm let me see some of the champions that got nerfed lately. Jayce, lee sin, ryze, jinx, soraka, xayah. Truely overtuned champions holy sh*t. Strong =/= overtuned. Did you look at aphelios winrate?
I remember seeing warwick when I played on my brothers pc sometimes back in like, 2015/2014. I'd love to play a lot of the older champions that has been re-worked and feel how they were before the re-work.
There was fan made legacy version of the game being made called the chronoshift project that would allow people to play an older version of league but Riot shut it down because they're shitty
I was an old Warwick main, and just being able to perma heal due to the lack of grievous wounds was the most ridiculous thing I experienced, I'd lock in Warwick in any role (yes even support) and just rush bloodthirsters. Being able to point and click suppress like Malz, on top of all the ridiculous lifesteal, was power we were not meant to wield
Built in heaing? the list is too long.. system healing even makes it worse.. as if goredrinker wasnt busted on release.. and what does point and click supress have to do with the fact that warwick is outclassed at what he does by just about every meta skirmisher: irelia, yone, yasuo yi.. to name a few.. yone and yasuo may not have "point and click supress" but they have enough lockdown in their kit to keep u in your place.. U just described warwick and suggested I find another champion with warwicks kit as if that changes anything..
@@SuperMortalix are you silly, none of them have a supress, and only irelia has built in healing (not that much until later levels, not nearly as much as vlad or ww).
@@SuperMortalix the real problem is item and rune healing, which is being addressed, not the champions themselves. And of the champions you named, none of those are particularly in meta, they are just high pick rate champions regardless.
These are great videos, I remember when I started playing league feeling sad that I could never find out what the old versions of champs did out of curiosity so I’m really glad you’re making these
@@Megaman-2407 they are pretty hard to find. At least in my experiance(i may just not know ehere to look) but when u shearch for the stuff it just comes up eith the rework anoucments and abilities and people talking about the rework. Nothin/not much about the old
it's really hard to find accurate information on older champions, considering all the slander and misinformation going around. this is one of the few channels that will give you the information straight, although sometimes they don't quite hit the mark (old galio's video)
I liked old WW way more then the new one! He played way less clunky! He was my very first main. I always played him with Madreds Bloodrazor (lovely item) on original twisted treeline (my favorite map ever)
This was the first champ I mastered (post-rework ww), climbed out of iron/bronze, got my M7, and I still didn't even scratched the surface of the nuance he had (with hold Q, if you use E at the end or start of fight, E-ult to cc whole team, barrier as a viable broken spell because of his passive as a toplaner...). There is a lot of complexity and details for a champion so simple to play, and I liked how you highlighted them so well (I didn't even remembered if they revealed enemies out of sight. That Teemo clip was really good!)
yeah aatrox is my main...subbing to the channel just to see that ep, i miss old aatrox but the new one has his charm aswell, aatrox could however, only have a healthy state nowadays as a auto attacker if riot wasnt fucking retarded, look at M yi and Trynda right now, absolutely disgusting game design, i would hate to see aatrox as an auto attacker in a similar spot, lethal tempo spamming with no proper balance....i do fear for what they could have fucked up if this rework hadnt happened.
i remember there was like a clip where old warwick just pressed right click on someone and then afked for a bit and got like a double kill or something
4:36 hmmmmm, this is actually a newer addition to WW added in I think pre-season 11 or pre-season 12. before his passive was pure flat damage that only scaled with level. I remember seeing this change and having a long discussion about it with my friend
I only started playing WW after the rework, and I loved it immediately. On another note, as a WW player, my dream is to perfectly time an enemy's teleport (or Shen's ultimate) with my Q to appear with them on the other side of the map. I practiced it with a friend in a custom match and it works.
it happened to me in one of my first ever league games I didn't hold it though there is actually a small fucking frame where ww initiates his q before hitting the enemy if they finish tp at that exact frame it would act as if you're holding Q there is also 1 fucking frame where you can damage someone who is recalling pretty famous bug that has appeared in pro play quite a lot anyway....... I ended up using Q on a target who was recalling and getting that magic frame and because it was one of my first league games and I didn't know how ww Q works I was so fucking confused.
getting recommended this video made me so nostalgic for the days when i first started playing league. i used to one trick pre-rework evelynn and now i don't even jungle anymore... wish i could go back. if only league had a legacy patch server
God I remember playing old WW, my favorite game with him was only backing once the entire game for mobie boots and tiamat to clear and just farmed till my ult came up then went to a lane to ult someone then ran back to farm. Ended the game with almost 10k in my pocket, fun times he was. XD
Old Warwick was my first main when I got into League of legends. He was simple to use and when fed you felt unkillable and it was pretty much impossible to mess up which was great for a new player like me at the time. I eventually moved away from him almost all together because it wasn't super amazing to play as. Every game felt like the same thing and you could play him with one hand so he was quite boring. The rework came out and it was the best VGU they have ever done. I didn't end up playing him a ton though as I was more of a support main, playing Bard and Rakan. But I think it was pre-season to season 9 I started playing him a ton more because my playstyle changed from being a support that sets people up to just enjoying the combat itself which new WW was perfect for and there was something satisfying about managing to kill like 4 people while constantly fighting and barely staying alive the whole time.
I did play both new and old ww, new one is by far one of my favourite champions to play as in general, only bad thing i can say about ww is just how buggy his abilities tend to be half the times which can get rly annoying at times but that is less of a ww fault and more of a league of legends spaghetti code fault
Dude the fact that I've been there a while before Warwick was reworked makes me very nostalgic. I've been a part of this game, it's universe and it's community for around 5 years if my mind serves me correctly. That's insane. I love League of Legends. Here's to many more years to come!
At some point I wanted to play something else in the jungle and I chose him because I thought the compilations were insane. My favorite thing was timing the enemy's mobility and flash and it felt so incredibly satisfying.
This champion is a reason why I got into the game. When I saw him he looked so good and he made me learn the game very quickly. And i think i went to jungle immediately with him and started to learn about the role by myself with him for some time. With Garen and WW those were my 1st champs i picked all the time
I started League back in preseason 1 when irelia was released and one of my first Champs I played and mained was WW, the rework blew my mind when I came back to league after almost a year of a break and to this day I wouldn't wish for something else. His Visuals and Game play are perfectly matched, that was a job well done by the design Team
i mained old warwick as a midlaner, i used to build him full ap and just use my q all the time, it healed so much it felt stupid i eventually abandoned the champion for some time after the rework cuz ap didnt work that much anymore but in season nine i started playing him again building full ad in toplane and jungle, and actually fell in love with him once more. he became my main and most loved champion quickly and i even saved blue essence for an entire year and bought the urfwick skin i feel amazingly honoured to have started playing with that clunky ass champion and still fall in love with both of his versions despite how differently i played them tbh i still play him almost the same, just walk up and q my laning opponent until they die cuz i out sustain them lol
You also missed something of his Q. It gives him unstopable for a little. Meaning. He is invulnerable to any kind of CC on the time cast. Bwing able to use it like a parry.
Yeah it ignores displacements so its not exactly unstoppable. But I get what you're saying that the damage still goes through. But you cant Q through a root or stun or anything. But its awesome to just Q through a Rammus about to hit you. Also you can Q Morde Ult on reaction which imo is crazy
One additional thing. Warwick's long Q is unstoppable, and can be used to get out of all sorts of bad situations. It also makes him great into champions like sett or fiora who rely on directional bursts.
I remember playing the old Warwick during red smite top meta where level 6 you would point and click oneshot everyone by doing red smite R with the item. That being said, I never really enjoyed old warwick, but new warwick is one of my favourites in the game
This old summoners rift gives me flashbacks of playing ashe and sivir in 2011, when u could use V button as second sivirs ult, and it seems that 3v3 was more popular than 5v5
Different games but reminds me of a champ who was a supp and dealt magic DMG, except his magic DMG ratio was through the roof and his kit gave him so much cool down that he could hit you for over 3k dmg in a matter of secs and then do it all over again in about 10-15 secs. Remains the most broken character release to this day in that game.
I played old WW from time to time as his fantasy of being a healing werewolf that claws you to death sounded cool to me, but always grew bored quick because it really came down to pressing ult which is funny but not for 10+ games. New Warwick did basically everything I wanted the champ to do, while maintaining the soul of his old abilities, probably the most successful rework along with Panth as these only seemed to add to the original champs, instead of replace.
warwick was the first champ that I bought along with pantheon (who also had an amazing rework). If I remember correctly, he was 3,300 IP back then. Gahd! I miss marauder's gauntlet as much as I miss adaptive helm. I always built marauder's gauntlet on warwick, panth, and j4. Good times.
As a person who played both versions of Warwick quite a bit let me tell You. There were good parts of both. Simplicity is good. Point and click suppress is fun. You were an absolute nightmare for back liners. However, unlike many of Ritos reworks, Warwick's was good. For all the reasons listed above and more. I do miss the old Warwick. But I am not angry at the changes they made.
My favorite memory of old ww was watching some streamer build the basic ww jg build with Wriggle’s Lantern and Bork, click on some random champ, and afk for 15 seconds as the enemy died.
Old Warwick was my favorite jungler, He was one of the most sleeper op champion in the game...people just didn't know how to build him. Or his optimum skill order for that matter. Old warwick could completely run the game in ways new warwick just can't.
I played old warwick in season 5 when jungle item update made him broken. Devourer was my favorite item EVER in league and still is even though it was completely broken.
For those who never got to see the old warwick, I figured I’d give some context on how insane he was when red smite was introduced. Warwick could just farm to level 6 without getting a single kill and then oneshot almost any adc in the game with smite+Ult and whatever items he got from just farming. Lvl 6 was a guaranteed kill as long as you didn’t get cc’ed out of Ult.
The only really vivid memory I have of old Warwick was stuffing his ults with Thresh flays lol. If I ever needed to jungle in the 4.20 weedwick era I usually played onhit Shyvana instead. New Warwick is super fun though, even if his ult skillshot is really thin. I know why they don't want it to scale with his size but I kinda wish it did, I've threaded the needle way too many times with it.
When I started to play League, I started with Warwick and main the shit out of him. I played him top, I played him mid, even supp and even tho I miss his old W to shred towers, I love everything else. This rework was amazing, he looks like he belongs in Zaun, his gameplay is more wild than the old one and the best part was the release date, January 25th, my Birthday. 10/10 rework
I loved the old Warwick since I got my first Penta as him and would challenge enemies to 1v1s in drag pit trying to out sustain them with on hit builds. I do enjoy the rework tho, just got good memories with the old one.
5:22 you can even accidentally cast it to enemies that is recalling and follow them to their base (right before the recall finished), that happened to me in wildrift
Imo Warwick's rework is one of the most healthy and thematically fitting additions in modern League of Legends. His W is perfect for a champion that's supposed to be a hunter. Besides of Warwick, some of the only "recent" champions I can think of that are designed that well are Kled and Jhin. Kled in lore is all about fighting and "taking property" no matter what the odds are, so his whole kit encourages him to fight whenever possible and take on risky fights. Jhin in lore is based on the number 4 and assassinating enemies with his rifle and his kit reflects that perfectly. These 3 champs are basically never hated, because there's no forced bullshit in their kit like stealth or true damage. Also they've got clear weaknesses and counterplay. I hope riot will make more reworks/champion releases like these, a lot of recent ones were rather disappointing.
Old WW was the first ever champ I played along with old Dr. Mundo and Pantheon... and I definitely love their reworks. But old Aatrrox? Man I miss that champ and old Akali
Old WW was my one trick pony to get to Diamond in 2014. Plan: Farm to lvl 6, solo dragon at lvl 3 if safe, then emerge out the jungle as an absolute unit and win the game. Good times.
I played old warwick once when i was new and tried jungle out. I did horribly and team flamed me so hard for it, i didnt pick up warwick again till his rework. And while i dont play any more hes def one ofnmy favorite tankd to play as.
Have been looking forward to this ever since you mentioned it on my comment on the Poppy video, and from all the champs that have been reworked since I started playing Warwick is by far the one I love the most since he can be played in so many ways, some obviously more serious than other...and full movement speed is one of the funniest things to do in ARAM since you can almost clear half the lane with a full build at the speed of light. Also a moment of silence for old Aatrox, the only champion that has actually been removed from League entirely...why couldnt it have been Fizz Riot?...Why couldnt it have been Fizz?
I don’t know if anyone feels the same but I really miss Poppy’s old kit. Her new visuals are superior in every aspect but the kit not so much. Yeah you technically could build her as a tank and terrorize one person in particular because the enemy Janna couldn’t damage you but if you built her with damage either Ad for stat checking auto attacker or a burst ap assassin she felt so satisfying.
All good on paper. Don't forget ww is one of the most bugged champs in the game rn. His Q sometimes doesn't work properly, it can teleport you to enemy fountain, sometimes if you want to dash ww does nothing at all etc. His W procs the attack speed in fight way too slow, annoying in jungle clear and sometimes lethal in a duel. Many times my fear on E worked as charm. And last but not least, his R range sometimes show diffrent values than you jump when you click it, it's not that often but I gotta say something for every skill since entire ww is glitched af. I like the rework but I wouldn't mind some improvements.
I remember when I played that warwick was pretty fun to play. I didn't know he was reworked until a week after first timing him. I just thought he was fun. Nothing more and nothing less
I sure love full movement speed Warwick. Have my own little build and strat for it. Max speed lets me ult from midlane to toplane. Shid's crazy. But that's only achievable in a best case scenario. Still saved me and got me some kills a couple of times to have this reach with the ult.
I am a relatively new league player so i never played the old one, but i can say that ww is a champion i pick when i want to turn my brain off and have some fun. Also i love hes design and voice lines.
I think most of the reworks have been good. Imo most of the issues have come from a lack of transparency with these updates. If Udyr was released when the Trundle rework came out he would've had horns and they would've said deal with it. Favorites are probably Fiddlesticks, Warwick, and Graves in that order.
I love the new WW, because he actually has a lot depth and isn't just auto attack and Ult the adc. He just feels really good. You actually feel like a terror running around the rift. When you are chasing a champ low on health and his movement speed kicks in and you see the range on your Ult go through the roof as you're hunting them down you just feel like a savage wolf about to catch some prey. He is an absolute terror in low elo and is banned frequently. He kinda falls off around Gold 1/Plat. There's just better Champs, but low elo people have a hard time dealing with him.
the 3 champs that I prefer over their reworked is Morderkaiser (2nd mini rework aka pet champions and dragons) and Aatrox, aatrox literally is a counter to champions like Riven renekton etc. from having the ability to increase attack range, able to revive, and the ability to come back from low health due to increased healing from his W, Aatrox has just become another riven but with lifesteal and omnivamp and lastly Poppy her unique-ish ultimate was able to focus another target but it was kind of cheesy in a way you just use her ult at a support or the least damage inflicting champ while you focus down a more vital champion in team fights. I pray they don't kill Skarner this year or whenever his rework comes out since Skarner is the winner of this time total rework
I started playing just before Warwick’s rework. Was his rework before or after Galio? I started before either rework, but the Galio rework felt waaaay less important. So I assume it was first, because I probably didn’t know what was going on yet. I never played old Galio (sadly) but I did play old Warwick. And uh, it felt awful. I was leaning toward jungling, a friend was like ‘oh play Warwick he’s simple and a popular jungle champ’. So I got him, and was very disappointed. He just bobbled around, lookin awkward, and had janky abilities. Then he got his rework and woooooow…so awesome
Warwick has to be one of *the* best reworks by far. Sure, Fiddlesticks, Pantheon, and Galio were also really good too but Warwick just felt special and true to his original kit. But that could just be me.
I love new warwick for the super fun full ap mid build. Heal for 70% of hp every 3 sec while dealing a shitton of dmg and when u smell something nice you zoom around the map in light speed
It was Warwick's rework the one thing that got me into this cursed game, i mean the cinematic sell him to me he was my main for the longest time, i was able to uninstall, but i'm shure that once i fall into drugs again Warwick will welcome PD: I hope the Vader = Warwick theory stops being just a theory and becomes a fact
ww was the first champion i picked up when I started playing league in s8, really fun time. I still remember how I would go into ranked, go ww top and run all thee way down to fucking bot bcz I smelled blood and all the flame i would get after the game. at the time i really didn't get it. like i had the most kills so i must be playing it good.
I miss the old times when i build ww with triforce, wits end,Botrk, ravenous hydra, and guinsoo rage blade ..a single ult can delete squishes cause of that 5 times on hit effect
Sad that not all champ VGUs followed a similair direction has WW, he is by far the best one. Fiddle and Panth were also amazing
Here here! Too many freaking anime girls in this game.
voli, nunu and willump as well tbh most jg reworks are bangers
@@ultimatelifeform9741 I feel a little meh about voli as someone who loved old voli. New voli is fun. It's really just his casterlike e that had me eh about the rework
@@shadows_star yeah new voli is really fun but that e is very odd
I think ww is one of the better ones but I think sions was the best. This coming from a old ww main.
I played some old warwick sporadically, and fell in love with him after the rework, he is my main to this day. I would love to see you play more of him
Been playing since beta, prerework Warwick and Galio were probably my two most played champions in the early seasons. Warwick's upgrade was absolutely amazing, but man do I miss old Galio.
i miss old galio Q so much, it was so satisfying hitting it, and it wasnt easy either, and the E giving movementspeed to your allies and yourself, and the W that you could use on teammate to redirect dmg and heal from it? I cant quite remember ! ANYWAYS ! He was a fine champ, dont know why they didnt keep his signature ult.
@@alucardnolifeking789 old galio was terrible what are you on about.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 Nice troll, stfu now.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 he was very fun imo
Funny how Riot gave one the best rework ever, then removed the other from the game. What the hell did Galio even do wrong???
Warwick was my first real main, he remains one of my favorite champions. The did a perfect rework with Warwick. They didn't really change him, they just made him more interesting and raised his skill ceiling through the roof
how i wish that was the case foe other reworks, a lot of them, while making the champion more relevant or "fun", just have a completely different role and gameplay
His splash art before the rework was so beautiful, I love it more than his new one. Seriously that thing needs to be put in a museum
All old splash arts are scary and serious today skins are joke .. that's why I miss old twisted tree line scary and spooky music
Dang, the old and new WW and Mord are complete opposites.
They reworked WW from a low-skill expression champ who has most of their power in their ult that enemies would buy a qss for. For Mordekaiser, they reworked him INTO an arguably lower skill expressive champ compared to the old, who would have a reliance on ult that enemies would buy a qss for...
I'd argue new mord is more skill expressive, especially when his q and e are both skill shots that require a deeper thought process to land on mobile champs. His ult I can agree with, but if an adc buy's a QSS your priority target just switches, which IMO is a different form of skill expression in it's own right. But perhaps we have different definitions of what "skill expression" is.
(Also this is not me critiquing your opinion, I just find it interesting how different our views are.)
I agree its kinda frustrating when they use QSS or some other item to cancel your ult and you are left inside. I wish they added a recast to end the ult sooner if the enemy escapes.
@@JOR569 Sure against immobile champs they are, but as soon as you run into a champ that can kite those abilities become heavily reliant on your skill level and how you manage to land them. If you need to slow down their AD's kiting you need to buy rylai's in order to slow them down, and IMO itemization is a form of skill expression that is reliant on your skill level with a specific champion. AKA higher skill-expression.
Morde and his new q has much more "skill expression" than his old one. During the lane phase you want to maneuver yourself in a specific way that allows you to get isolated Q damage in order to win trades against your laner, vs old morde which essentially just had you walk up and bonk your lane opponent three times.
His E has multiple applications as well, you can use it to pull enemies towards you in numerous different ways, and also keep them away from you. And while the ability is pretty easy to land early game, once your going against a late game AD, your essentially fucked if you miss it.
@@EboyNxtDoor you had to play old morde to understand the weird laning strategies with his W, not everyone could pull that off
@@Dragunov_07 ????? what , are you talking about
This rework is the best one they have done by far. The playstyle remained almost unchanged unlike Aatrox or sion, while adding so much more depth and interaction to the whole kit without overtuning him like some other reworks did Irelia and Akali.
Irelia isnt overtuned at all.
@Its Gonna Be Okay all the nerfs she's been getting since her rework say otherwise.
@@decidueyezealot8611 that has nothing to do with the being overtuned or not.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 You realize overtuned Champs get nerfed all the time right? Irelia was busted asf when she came out, gutted tons of stuff she used to be able to do.
@@decidueyezealot8611 hmm let me see some of the champions that got nerfed lately.
Jayce, lee sin, ryze, jinx, soraka, xayah. Truely overtuned champions holy sh*t. Strong =/= overtuned. Did you look at aphelios winrate?
I liked old WW, but I definitely prefer the rework much more. He's more entertaining to play
I do miss how incredibly simple old ww was (he was always my pick when I had to jungle) but the new kit is beautifully elegant.
I remember back then when Jungle is a threat to jungler, WW is my best and safe pick.
i'm so loving this series mate please continue with all the heroes you like
I remember seeing warwick when I played on my brothers pc sometimes back in like, 2015/2014. I'd love to play a lot of the older champions that has been re-worked and feel how they were before the re-work.
There was fan made legacy version of the game being made called the chronoshift project that would allow people to play an older version of league but Riot shut it down because they're shitty
@@sammythesammyfan8809 chronoshit was a ploy. it was never going to be released for the public to play. even if it was, it wouldn't have been good.
I got M7 pre-rework and I miss him :(
but definitely prefer the new one- i just want the point and click ult and the unlimited w range lol
I absolutely LOVE this style of video. So happy you're making this type of content along with your normal content. Keep it up man
I was an old Warwick main, and just being able to perma heal due to the lack of grievous wounds was the most ridiculous thing I experienced, I'd lock in Warwick in any role (yes even support) and just rush bloodthirsters. Being able to point and click suppress like Malz, on top of all the ridiculous lifesteal, was power we were not meant to wield
U mean like just about every skirmisher can do now?
@@SuperMortalix name a single skirmisher with a point and click supress and built in healing?
Built in heaing? the list is too long.. system healing even makes it worse.. as if goredrinker wasnt busted on release.. and what does point and click supress have to do with the fact that warwick is outclassed at what he does by just about every meta skirmisher: irelia, yone, yasuo yi.. to name a few.. yone and yasuo may not have "point and click supress" but they have enough lockdown in their kit to keep u in your place..
U just described warwick and suggested I find another champion with warwicks kit as if that changes anything..
@@SuperMortalix are you silly, none of them have a supress, and only irelia has built in healing (not that much until later levels, not nearly as much as vlad or ww).
@@SuperMortalix the real problem is item and rune healing, which is being addressed, not the champions themselves. And of the champions you named, none of those are particularly in meta, they are just high pick rate champions regardless.
Already looking forward to a 1 hour rant Video about the Aatrox rework
These are great videos, I remember when I started playing league feeling sad that I could never find out what the old versions of champs did out of curiosity so I’m really glad you’re making these
i mean you can still see riot old spotlight
@@Megaman-2407 they are pretty hard to find. At least in my experiance(i may just not know ehere to look) but when u shearch for the stuff it just comes up eith the rework anoucments and abilities and people talking about the rework. Nothin/not much about the old
@@Maxtech50 you just scroll down abit bruh is that too hard?
it's really hard to find accurate information on older champions, considering all the slander and misinformation going around. this is one of the few channels that will give you the information straight, although sometimes they don't quite hit the mark (old galio's video)
I liked old WW way more then the new one! He played way less clunky! He was my very first main. I always played him with Madreds Bloodrazor (lovely item) on original twisted treeline (my favorite map ever)
This was the first champ I mastered (post-rework ww), climbed out of iron/bronze, got my M7, and I still didn't even scratched the surface of the nuance he had (with hold Q, if you use E at the end or start of fight, E-ult to cc whole team, barrier as a viable broken spell because of his passive as a toplaner...). There is a lot of complexity and details for a champion so simple to play, and I liked how you highlighted them so well (I didn't even remembered if they revealed enemies out of sight. That Teemo clip was really good!)
Love this series cant wait to see the aatrox ep, i'm sure you'll have nothing but kind words for the masterminds at riot.
yeah aatrox is my main...subbing to the channel just to see that ep, i miss old aatrox but the new one has his charm aswell, aatrox could however, only have a healthy state nowadays as a auto attacker if riot wasnt fucking retarded, look at M yi and Trynda right now, absolutely disgusting game design, i would hate to see aatrox as an auto attacker in a similar spot, lethal tempo spamming with no proper balance....i do fear for what they could have fucked up if this rework hadnt happened.
i remember there was like a clip where old warwick just pressed right click on someone and then afked for a bit and got like a double kill or something
One of the best league series I've seen IMO. Keep up the good work Cryo.
I hope he talks about failed reworks like Leblanc and Rengar.
4:36 hmmmmm, this is actually a newer addition to WW added in I think pre-season 11 or pre-season 12. before his passive was pure flat damage that only scaled with level. I remember seeing this change and having a long discussion about it with my friend
I only started playing WW after the rework, and I loved it immediately.
On another note, as a WW player, my dream is to perfectly time an enemy's teleport (or Shen's ultimate) with my Q to appear with them on the other side of the map. I practiced it with a friend in a custom match and it works.
it happened to me in one of my first ever league games I didn't hold it though there is actually a small fucking frame where ww initiates his q before hitting the enemy if they finish tp at that exact frame it would act as if you're holding Q there is also 1 fucking frame where you can damage someone who is recalling pretty famous bug that has appeared in pro play quite a lot anyway....... I ended up using Q on a target who was recalling and getting that magic frame and because it was one of my first league games and I didn't know how ww Q works I was so fucking confused.
getting recommended this video made me so nostalgic for the days when i first started playing league. i used to one trick pre-rework evelynn and now i don't even jungle anymore... wish i could go back. if only league had a legacy patch server
Laning as old ww was really interesting with the old q. His new range and move speed makes him feel clunky
God I remember playing old WW, my favorite game with him was only backing once the entire game for mobie boots and tiamat to clear and just farmed till my ult came up then went to a lane to ult someone then ran back to farm. Ended the game with almost 10k in my pocket, fun times he was. XD
Old Warwick was my first main when I got into League of legends. He was simple to use and when fed you felt unkillable and it was pretty much impossible to mess up which was great for a new player like me at the time. I eventually moved away from him almost all together because it wasn't super amazing to play as. Every game felt like the same thing and you could play him with one hand so he was quite boring. The rework came out and it was the best VGU they have ever done. I didn't end up playing him a ton though as I was more of a support main, playing Bard and Rakan. But I think it was pre-season to season 9 I started playing him a ton more because my playstyle changed from being a support that sets people up to just enjoying the combat itself which new WW was perfect for and there was something satisfying about managing to kill like 4 people while constantly fighting and barely staying alive the whole time.
I did play both new and old ww, new one is by far one of my favourite champions to play as in general, only bad thing i can say about ww is just how buggy his abilities tend to be half the times which can get rly annoying at times but that is less of a ww fault and more of a league of legends spaghetti code fault
Dude the fact that I've been there a while before Warwick was reworked makes me very nostalgic. I've been a part of this game, it's universe and it's community for around 5 years if my mind serves me correctly. That's insane. I love League of Legends. Here's to many more years to come!
At some point I wanted to play something else in the jungle and I chose him because I thought the compilations were insane. My favorite thing was timing the enemy's mobility and flash and it felt so incredibly satisfying.
This champion is a reason why I got into the game. When I saw him he looked so good and he made me learn the game very quickly. And i think i went to jungle immediately with him and started to learn about the role by myself with him for some time. With Garen and WW those were my 1st champs i picked all the time
I started League back in preseason 1 when irelia was released and one of my first Champs I played and mained was WW, the rework blew my mind when I came back to league after almost a year of a break and to this day I wouldn't wish for something else. His Visuals and Game play are perfectly matched, that was a job well done by the design Team
i mained old warwick as a midlaner, i used to build him full ap and just use my q all the time, it healed so much it felt stupid
i eventually abandoned the champion for some time after the rework cuz ap didnt work that much anymore but in season nine i started playing him again building full ad in toplane and jungle, and actually fell in love with him once more. he became my main and most loved champion quickly and i even saved blue essence for an entire year and bought the urfwick skin
i feel amazingly honoured to have started playing with that clunky ass champion and still fall in love with both of his versions despite how differently i played them
tbh i still play him almost the same, just walk up and q my laning opponent until they die cuz i out sustain them lol
Love to see you using Stonewall008 gameplay. God I miss that dude
You also missed something of his Q.
It gives him unstopable for a little. Meaning. He is invulnerable to any kind of CC on the time cast. Bwing able to use it like a parry.
It avoids displacements, not all CC
@@valonzeneli4614 the cc applied to displacements too
@@snootgamenotofficial Yes but I mean it doesn't stop stuns, silences etc
@@valonzeneli4614 still, the Q doesnt stop, meaning, ittechnically reduces the time stunning, or silenced
Yeah it ignores displacements so its not exactly unstoppable. But I get what you're saying that the damage still goes through. But you cant Q through a root or stun or anything. But its awesome to just Q through a Rammus about to hit you. Also you can Q Morde Ult on reaction which imo is crazy
One additional thing. Warwick's long Q is unstoppable, and can be used to get out of all sorts of bad situations. It also makes him great into champions like sett or fiora who rely on directional bursts.
I remember playing the old Ww full ap was so strong, man I miss him but I also love the reworked one
I remember playing the old Warwick during red smite top meta where level 6 you would point and click oneshot everyone by doing red smite R with the item. That being said, I never really enjoyed old warwick, but new warwick is one of my favourites in the game
This old summoners rift gives me flashbacks of playing ashe and sivir in 2011, when u could use V button as second sivirs ult, and it seems that 3v3 was more popular than 5v5
Warwick was a beast back then because he could share his attack speed and he actually has vision on dying enemies instead of just smoke trails.
i solo drag lvl 3 lmao those were the days
@@minh_d3475 I used to solo drag on 2. God bless those attack speed runes.
Different games but reminds me of a champ who was a supp and dealt magic DMG, except his magic DMG ratio was through the roof and his kit gave him so much cool down that he could hit you for over 3k dmg in a matter of secs and then do it all over again in about 10-15 secs. Remains the most broken character release to this day in that game.
I played old WW from time to time as his fantasy of being a healing werewolf that claws you to death sounded cool to me, but always grew bored quick because it really came down to pressing ult which is funny but not for 10+ games. New Warwick did basically everything I wanted the champ to do, while maintaining the soul of his old abilities, probably the most successful rework along with Panth as these only seemed to add to the original champs, instead of replace.
warwick was the first champ that I bought along with pantheon (who also had an amazing rework). If I remember correctly, he was 3,300 IP back then. Gahd! I miss marauder's gauntlet as much as I miss adaptive helm. I always built marauder's gauntlet on warwick, panth, and j4. Good times.
Old Warwick brings me back to good old days in season 3 bronze. Saw a player stacking only lifesteal just because the ult said it porcs that.
I only played old ww from my very first game to lvl 30 in s4 then played him everyday until his rework. I miss him dearly
Ah, devourer. Many people remember that item with resentment, but as a long time jungle main, it brings nothing but good memories
As a person who played both versions of Warwick quite a bit let me tell You. There were good parts of both. Simplicity is good. Point and click suppress is fun. You were an absolute nightmare for back liners. However, unlike many of Ritos reworks, Warwick's was good. For all the reasons listed above and more. I do miss the old Warwick. But I am not angry at the changes they made.
Warwick is one of those champions who I play from time to time but always consider getting good with.
Great choice for a video :D
My favorite memory of old ww was watching some streamer build the basic ww jg build with Wriggle’s Lantern and Bork, click on some random champ, and afk for 15 seconds as the enemy died.
Old Warwick was my favorite jungler,
He was one of the most sleeper op champion in the game...people just didn't know how to build him.
Or his optimum skill order for that matter.
Old warwick could completely run the game in ways new warwick just can't.
I never played the old Warwick, but he was my sister's ex's main so I saw him a lot when playing
I played the old warwick and he was my main counter to soraka mains. But when he got the rework he was my main jungle champ ever since
It's very very funny to me that you release this video a few days after I start spam picking WW in my ranked games LOL
I played old warwick in season 5 when jungle item update made him broken. Devourer was my favorite item EVER in league and still is even though it was completely broken.
For those who never got to see the old warwick, I figured I’d give some context on how insane he was when red smite was introduced. Warwick could just farm to level 6 without getting a single kill and then oneshot almost any adc in the game with smite+Ult and whatever items he got from just farming. Lvl 6 was a guaranteed kill as long as you didn’t get cc’ed out of Ult.
good ol' 4.20 weedwick
The only really vivid memory I have of old Warwick was stuffing his ults with Thresh flays lol. If I ever needed to jungle in the 4.20 weedwick era I usually played onhit Shyvana instead. New Warwick is super fun though, even if his ult skillshot is really thin. I know why they don't want it to scale with his size but I kinda wish it did, I've threaded the needle way too many times with it.
When I started to play League, I started with Warwick and main the shit out of him. I played him top, I played him mid, even supp and even tho I miss his old W to shred towers, I love everything else. This rework was amazing, he looks like he belongs in Zaun, his gameplay is more wild than the old one and the best part was the release date, January 25th, my Birthday. 10/10 rework
I loved the old Warwick since I got my first Penta as him and would challenge enemies to 1v1s in drag pit trying to out sustain them with on hit builds. I do enjoy the rework tho, just got good memories with the old one.
Talk about Sion. He was my favorite champion with some well deceiving abilities like his stun, base AD and lifesteal with crits.
5:22 you can even accidentally cast it to enemies that is recalling and follow them to their base (right before the recall finished), that happened to me in wildrift
Imo Warwick's rework is one of the most healthy and thematically fitting additions in modern League of Legends. His W is perfect for a champion that's supposed to be a hunter.
Besides of Warwick, some of the only "recent" champions I can think of that are designed that well are Kled and Jhin. Kled in lore is all about fighting and "taking property" no matter what the odds are, so his whole kit encourages him to fight whenever possible and take on risky fights. Jhin in lore is based on the number 4 and assassinating enemies with his rifle and his kit reflects that perfectly. These 3 champs are basically never hated, because there's no forced bullshit in their kit like stealth or true damage. Also they've got clear weaknesses and counterplay. I hope riot will make more reworks/champion releases like these, a lot of recent ones were rather disappointing.
Modre (with dragon), Galio and Warwick are the only reworks who were actually good and maintained their previous playstyles.
Old WW was the first ever champ I played along with old Dr. Mundo and Pantheon... and I definitely love their reworks. But old Aatrrox? Man I miss that champ and old Akali
I miss old warwick
He is better in every way, but I like the old WW more since that was my intro to the jungle back in season 2.
Old WW was my one trick pony to get to Diamond in 2014.
Plan: Farm to lvl 6, solo dragon at lvl 3 if safe, then emerge out the jungle as an absolute unit and win the game.
Good times.
I only miss the old WW because there was a custom skin that turned him into Crash Bandicoot and it looked funny when you Q'd someone
I played old warwick once when i was new and tried jungle out. I did horribly and team flamed me so hard for it, i didnt pick up warwick again till his rework. And while i dont play any more hes def one ofnmy favorite tankd to play as.
Old WW is like a fever dream compared to the rework. Also the teaser for the re-release is still one the best champ teasers in the game.
Pre-Rework Warwick jungle with Murumana was what got me to Gold the first season I tried ranked, good times
Have been looking forward to this ever since you mentioned it on my comment on the Poppy video, and from all the champs that have been reworked since I started playing Warwick is by far the one I love the most since he can be played in so many ways, some obviously more serious than other...and full movement speed is one of the funniest things to do in ARAM since you can almost clear half the lane with a full build at the speed of light.
Also a moment of silence for old Aatrox, the only champion that has actually been removed from League entirely...why couldnt it have been Fizz Riot?...Why couldnt it have been Fizz?
I don’t know if anyone feels the same but I really miss Poppy’s old kit. Her new visuals are superior in every aspect but the kit not so much. Yeah you technically could build her as a tank and terrorize one person in particular because the enemy Janna couldn’t damage you but if you built her with damage either Ad for stat checking auto attacker or a burst ap assassin she felt so satisfying.
Love the nod to the lore by having him showcase abilities on Singed
Didn't play old WarWick but he is one of my favorite Junglers
Fun fact, you are also unstopable while doing the q dash, meaning you can doge stuns and even bard's R if u time it correctly.
All good on paper. Don't forget ww is one of the most bugged champs in the game rn. His Q sometimes doesn't work properly, it can teleport you to enemy fountain, sometimes if you want to dash ww does nothing at all etc. His W procs the attack speed in fight way too slow, annoying in jungle clear and sometimes lethal in a duel. Many times my fear on E worked as charm. And last but not least, his R range sometimes show diffrent values than you jump when you click it, it's not that often but I gotta say something for every skill since entire ww is glitched af. I like the rework but I wouldn't mind some improvements.
Love these! Looking forward to the Valor rework/removal video.
I remember when I played that warwick was pretty fun to play. I didn't know he was reworked until a week after first timing him. I just thought he was fun. Nothing more and nothing less
I really miss the old maps, the old art style and the old champs :( league in 2011... miss it dearly
I sure love full movement speed Warwick. Have my own little build and strat for it. Max speed lets me ult from midlane to toplane. Shid's crazy. But that's only achievable in a best case scenario. Still saved me and got me some kills a couple of times to have this reach with the ult.
man o' man that last clip got me really emotional
I am a relatively new league player so i never played the old one, but i can say that ww is a champion i pick when i want to turn my brain off and have some fun. Also i love hes design and voice lines.
I think most of the reworks have been good. Imo most of the issues have come from a lack of transparency with these updates. If Udyr was released when the Trundle rework came out he would've had horns and they would've said deal with it. Favorites are probably Fiddlesticks, Warwick, and Graves in that order.
First time here. Underrated channel, super good history lesson I suppose
I enjoyed this video a lot… I want to see the evolution of champions more often 👍🏼
My first ranked game was attackspeed warwick top and this was back in season 2. And yes, I was very bad at the game back then. I still am.
I loved old Warwick, I would play him entirely as an on hit attack speed champ and tore teams to shreds, just cant do that with the new one now.
I love the new WW, because he actually has a lot depth and isn't just auto attack and Ult the adc. He just feels really good. You actually feel like a terror running around the rift. When you are chasing a champ low on health and his movement speed kicks in and you see the range on your Ult go through the roof as you're hunting them down you just feel like a savage wolf about to catch some prey. He is an absolute terror in low elo and is banned frequently. He kinda falls off around Gold 1/Plat. There's just better Champs, but low elo people have a hard time dealing with him.
the 3 champs that I prefer over their reworked is Morderkaiser (2nd mini rework aka pet champions and dragons) and Aatrox, aatrox literally is a counter to champions like Riven renekton etc. from having the ability to increase attack range, able to revive, and the ability to come back from low health due to increased healing from his W, Aatrox has just become another riven but with lifesteal and omnivamp and lastly Poppy her unique-ish ultimate was able to focus another target but it was kind of cheesy in a way you just use her ult at a support or the least damage inflicting champ while you focus down a more vital champion in team fights.
I pray they don't kill Skarner this year or whenever his rework comes out since Skarner is the winner of this time total rework
Love your Videos
I hope you are doing more guides but these kind of videos are also amazing
I started playing just before Warwick’s rework. Was his rework before or after Galio? I started before either rework, but the Galio rework felt waaaay less important. So I assume it was first, because I probably didn’t know what was going on yet. I never played old Galio (sadly) but I did play old Warwick. And uh, it felt awful. I was leaning toward jungling, a friend was like ‘oh play Warwick he’s simple and a popular jungle champ’. So I got him, and was very disappointed. He just bobbled around, lookin awkward, and had janky abilities. Then he got his rework and woooooow…so awesome
Warwick has to be one of *the* best reworks by far. Sure, Fiddlesticks, Pantheon, and Galio were also really good too but Warwick just felt special and true to his original kit. But that could just be me.
I love new warwick for the super fun full ap mid build. Heal for 70% of hp every 3 sec while dealing a shitton of dmg and when u smell something nice you zoom around the map in light speed
It was Warwick's rework the one thing that got me into this cursed game, i mean the cinematic sell him to me he was my main for the longest time, i was able to uninstall, but i'm shure that once i fall into drugs again Warwick will welcome
PD: I hope the Vader = Warwick theory stops being just a theory and becomes a fact
ww was the first champion i picked up when I started playing league in s8, really fun time. I still remember how I would go into ranked, go ww top and run all thee way down to fucking bot bcz I smelled blood and all the flame i would get after the game. at the time i really didn't get it. like i had the most kills so i must be playing it good.
I think Kayle would be interesting next - from being a lane bully pre-rework to being bullied post-rework.
And being the bully late game
Old Warwick was basically just a hybrid mixture between Ursa and Bloodseeker from Dota.
i liked this character before.
he was one of those simplistic characters you would show to someone learning to play.
Long live old Full AP Warwick! Those were the days!
I miss the old times when i build ww with triforce, wits end,Botrk, ravenous hydra, and guinsoo rage blade ..a single ult can delete squishes cause of that 5 times on hit effect