The Old Testament Devil and the Identity of the Serpent: Beginning the Discussion
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This is a pretty freewheeling discussion beginning a series of related discussions which will look at the figure of our supernatural enemy in the Old Testament. I will contend that he is not only present in the Tanach, but is present to the same extent that he is present in the New Testament. We have become accustomed to using certain titles and nicknames found in the New Testament for this figure, leading to the implicit assumption that these titles are something like personal names whose relation to this figure is more intimate than his other titles. In reality, our supernatural enemy has a variety of names depending on contextual imagery. In a liturgical and idolatrous setting, he is Baal. In the heavenly courtroom, he is the "Accuser" (Satan), a corrupt criminal lawyer seeking to persuade the Judge to sentence those he hates to death. In the language of cosmic geography, he is "Azazel", the embodiment of destruction and death. In prophetic and visionary language, he is Leviathan, the dragon cut down by the divine Sword in the messianic era.
One could go on. The point is that he is a central antagonist in both Testaments.
The point about the sky God in almost every early religion was fascinating. True of indo European Deus Pater and its spiritual descendants. Seems like your quality is getting better and better. Good topic
China has it too. Heaven itself is an impersonal goodness.
Hope you're prepared for your debate against Matt Slick this weekend. 🙏
I have been waiting years for this video! (since you mentioned it in your life story a couple years ago)
You ever consider setting up online courses for Patrons, similar to what Father Peter Heers does?
Hi dad I just found your videos randomly in my suggestion list. I am so excited about your tiers where is the return my copy of Aristotle East and West tier love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
1:03:08 That’s one tangent I would have liked to heard. Maybe you can get into in a future video.
45:32
Any plans to do a video on YEC? Your interview on Jay’s Analysis a long time ago has had me eager for a follow up ever since.
He discussed it quite a bit in his 5 part series on his life story (especially part 5)
Brother, God has blessed you with some serious knowledge. Thank you brother for your work
I've had this idea for a long time.
Genesis doesn't actually say snake, it says serpent, Nacash or Drakon in the greek Septuagint. Both words mean serpent, crawling creature.
Seraph in egyptian means crawling creature, Saraph in hebrew is almost impossible to distinguish between Seraph since there are no vowels, the Seraphim heavenly hosts are the "burning ones", but Saraph means crawling, there is a clear linguistic association between Seraphim and Saraph, it's hard to deduce the chronologic order in which these terms evolved though.
I think the narrative language used in Genesis is intentionally anachronistic to convey the symbolism of the serpent before he BECAME a serpent, the Serpent is reffered to as a crawling one from the start, but in fact God curses the evil one after the Fall and tells him he will eat dirt (he will eat the dead) and will crawl on his belly, meaning God makes him crawl by force, as a punishment. Which means the Evil One did not crawl initially.
The devil in the Garden was obviously a fallen angel, i conclude he was a fallen Seraphim (which is high rank of messenger-type angel), he probably appeared to Eve as an angel of light and decieved her like this, then God punishes this demon and turns him into a crawling beast, a Saraph / Nacash. Or a Drakon / Dragon in greek, not with wings like classical medieval mythical dragons, because Drakon means serpent in greek. Like a Komodo Dragon.
The Beast in Revelation/The Dragon is often drawn as a far lizard/serpent-like creature in the iconography of The Final Judgment, swallowing the Lake of Fire with the dead which are punished by Christ.
Now, wether or not the devil in Genesis is Lucifer or not, i don't think ultimately changes anything about the history of the event, it had to be a demon's that much is clear.
God bless ❤
Wantonly is pronounced WANT-un-ly, not wonton-ly. Great convo, btw.
This video is just as good as Wanton soup
Do you have videos on how the orthodox interpret covenants? The Reformed divide between covenantal of works and covenants of grace?...feels wrong
Someone probably explained it wrong or understood it wrong. Anyone who teaches that a covenant of works could be sufficient for salvation apart from grace is a heretic. A heretic of the Reformed camp, too.
@@toomanymarys7355 but is the distinction necessary ? Covenant of grave vs works or something like that I dunno it sounded odd..
For the reformed the covenant of works was only in the garden. They don’t think grace was needed before the fall
@@esoterico7750 grace is eternal tho..God is eternally graceful.
What about Jesus when he does good works under the law in the old covenant before the cross? God is always at his good work even on the sabbath day so how can grace be divided from works?
He has a video on the subject. tl;dw covenants are about adoption as sons by God.
The vast majority of the saints, including st Gregory Palamas, teach that Satan inhabited a snake in the garden.
They were working in Greek only.
@@toomanymarys7355 this includes Latin saints
Are you denying the existence of the Evil One? Like Satan as a general term?
No, just saying that Satan isn't his personal name, just a title.
@@Seraphim-Hamilton i figured. Thank you for answering me
There is a particular Evil One that is the first to fall, Lucifer, but he is reffered to like other demons all the same, as satan/accuser@@TheForbiddenRing