Ronen Bergman, thank you for your courage, your brilliance and your honesty in holding up this most important mirror. As shocking as it is to see all the pieces coming together, it also gives me finally the real picture of how the demise of Israel has been building up over all these years. It is heartbreaking, infuriating, shocking, horrific for the poor people being targeted and maimed and murdered and deeply treacherous to the soul of Judaism. A stain is saying it lightly. Thank you again for your courage, our elders would be proud of you, I know that in my heart of hearts.
@@gandydancer9710 -^^^|/// Mark Perlmutter, a Jewish-American humanitarian surgeon who spent two weeks in the Palestinian enclave in April and May, has told of Palestinian children being shot by Israeli snipers in Gaza. Perlmutter told a US broadcaster in an interview published on Monday that “no toddler gets shot twice by mistake by ‘the world’s best sniper’”. I don’t want my taxes to go towards that kind of barbarism.
@@bikerd12 There is nothing you say about Perlmutter that would inspire me to believe anything he says. He sounds like a Useful Idiot who simply wants the terrorists to win. The fantasy that Israeli snipers are told to shoot toddlers is lunacy. There are way too many unshot Gazan toddlers for that to be plausible. And no significant amount of US money is used to equip Israeli snipers anyway. Israel can, and as far as I know, does pay for its own sniper rifles, ammo, and training. Let's be clear that what you're really objecting to is US aid to help pay for Israeli anti-missile defenses.
@@gandydancer9710 perlmutter is probably a ham as secret agent, how about the first prime minister of Israel. "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
Excellent reporting. The US government could stop this any moment, but shockingly they won't. I almost cried while listening, you can hear pain for humanity in Mr. Bergman's voice.
@@grahamt5924 Israel is worse than even Iran. Israel's right wing extremists rival only the Taliban. I've been to numerous countries in the Middle East including Iran --- Israel is the only place where I was threatened with assault by one of the orthodox and where I saw Christians unable to visit holy sites in Jerusalem from other parts of the West Bank. I was followed to Church in Iran but none of the Iranian Christians I spoke with said they had ever been restricted to any place of worship for Christians. Israel holds this hypocritical distinction.
@BiharyGabor you can't write what they have done in a comment on RUclips. If you do the comment, it gets deleted. You have to do your own Google search, but it is easy. The information is all there
@@gandydancer9710 actually I do, media organizations that share propaganda that encourages a genocide can be held liable for that Facts don't care about your feelings
It is a majority vs. minorities conflict. The middle east Arab Islamic majority cannot accept the existence of an independent state of a minority, be it of Maronites, Assyrians, Druze or others, especially of Jews. By Arab Islamic supremacy culture, if it is not dominated and controlled by an Arab Islamic regime then it is an occupation. Islam is marketing itself as the final true religion that replaces Judaism and Christianity, hence the need of Islam to defame Jews and Judaism, the reconstitution of an independent state of Jews in Judea puts a big question mark on that replacement claim that Islamists cant tolerate.
The NYT has its own internal battles. They can get taken over by an extremist pro-Israel faction just like any other institution. During the Vietnam war, they had battles between the reporters in the field and the editors in Times Square.
This doesn’t seem like it would’ve been possible without tacit acceptance from the United States. It’s truly a shame how few Americans know about this, given how large of an impact, their political decisions make on the lives of people living overseas.
True, Trump was paid 100 million to annex the west bank if elected, which would be an obvious disaster for peace, and dems don't even bring it up to score political points.
@@gandydancer9710 Because Israel is one of the three regional power in the middle east and the Israel is important to US projection of power in the middle east, the US sided with Israel. Israel has also used the domestic political area of the US to push its interests in Congress. It's the same dynamic than with South Africa during the cold war. The USA was align with with South Africa because it sided with capitalism (and the US) against communism (and Russia), therefore, the US was more than willing to look the other way with South Africa's apartheid and shield it from international repercussions. The same thing is going on in Israel at the moment. Only when the USA stopped shielding South Africa that apartheid could be ended. It is to the US to either "accept" or "reject" because we live in a unipolar world where the superpower is the USA.
This story is being told and has been told. In Europe even in Germany were people totally shy away from criticising Israel. Understandable, but not helpful.
In the US it is very hard to find popular main stream platforms give a straightforward full view of the story. Instead, typically they ignore the illegal settlements in West Bank entirely and then point to things like “Palestinians were given so many chances at peace and kept walking away from it”. So it’s nice to see this story finally being told on a platform like this in the way it was.
Is it any wonder Oct 7 happened? The Palestinians have been dealing with Israeli terrorism since BEFORE Israel was even taken from them to create its own State. The US is complicit in EVERYTHING.
@Bizibee483 walking away from the 1937 peel commission partition and the UN 1947 partition resolution was a poor decision but the grand mufti of Jerusalem who worked with the nazis and his followers were adamant there would be Israeli state. Imagine if they had accepted one of these deals.
How has Hamas exploited the situation? This is the rhetoric that makes my blood boil. These are Palestinians who have known nothing but barbaric acts from Israelis
@@grahamt5924No. Why should it? Did the occupation end, was self determination granted, did the blockade end……the answer is no, therefore the resistance will rightfully continue.
@@grahamt5924 how about you look into this a little deeper, instead of the rehearsed points? What was the real motive of the withdrawal? What happened after? Please read and understand first, then comment.
@handsanitiser9832 I have read about it. The Jews fully withdrew in 2005, but missles kept coming. The blockade is to try and stop the missile attacks. If HAMAS is allowed to import everything it wants, just think of the damage it can do then.
This is for posterity. "The Path to the Lunatic State that is now the current Israel". I felt that extreme sadness when they took out the one guy that could have ultimately saved Israel Yitzhak Rabin, he's the only one who understands what it takes for Israel project to continue. Look at Israel now they can't stop from spiraling downwards, guided by a self-centered Netanyahu posing as Mr. Security when he has created all the insecurities and eventual downfall of the Israel project, it's gonna be over soon. They lost all the respect of the world, they even lost their super power which is being the ultimate victim, that belongs to Palestinians now, today they are the Oppressors, the Nazi of this generation. I pity those people who don't see where this is heading. It's gonna be over soon.
Yitzhak is no different from every Israeli "leadership". Look into the vile things he did and said. Israelis were never interested in a peace deal. There maybe 1 or 2 times when peace could have been achieved but there were too many zionist trying to make it fail. It's very frustrating and sad.
Hi Ronen Bergman. In your NYT piece from May 21, 2021 titled "A Look Inside Israel’s ‘Fortress of Zion’ Military Command Beneath Tel Aviv" you reported: "This room is the nerve center of a bunker dubbed the “Fortress of Zion,” a new Israeli Army command post deep underground beneath its headquarters in the heart of Tel Aviv." In your opinion, does this qualify as the kind of command and control center that violates the laws of war by operating within a high-density civilian area? Bearing in mind that the bunker referred to is just next door to Ichilov - the largest maternity hospital in Tel Aviv? And if your answer is "no" could you kindly explain why not? Thanks.
@@soulfireonfire6423 Your problem is that I do and either you don't or you're comfortable lying. Hence the empty arm-waving is all you've got. Quote the "law" you're claiming is being violated. You can't of course.
Congratulate you for providing so simple yet so authentic facts leading to nightmare scenario facing Israel today. If democracy still works within Israel, they can step back from suicidal path of self destruction
The isteali ministers and generals even admit this in their bios and memoirs once they retire. They always attack first and then the US and Britain come back up their lies.
Its crazy to me that Israelis get away with that lie too. In what world does Israel defend itself by obliterating the air force of every country in the region in a surprise attack and they say they are just defending themselves. They invade the surrounding countries claiming large chunks of territory and then give back some land to Egypt in a secret agreement we still dont know the exact details of. Golan Heights are taken forever and Gaza and the west bank werent even involved. Imagine describing Hitler's blitzkrieg in Europe as a "defensive war"
Considering how the foundation of Israel is Nakba and dispossession of the Palestinian People, it is hardly surprising that extremists have taken over and are committing genocide and waging war on Lebanon. Backed as they are by US, UK and others.
The inevitability of an colonial apartheid state left without red lines...how else would you think this would end? Also that 67 characterization of being "thrown into war" is doing alot of heavy lifting
Knowing what the far right is will to do to achieve its goals, does Ronan Bergman fear for his life? That was a great piece! I would like to hear Ezra Klein’s comments on it.
Based on your response, I am curious about what you think about the Palestinian Israeli tragedy. For example, what are your thoughts on the 9 IDF soldiers seen on video allegingly sodomizing that Palestinian and the members of society including the Knesset who rioted to protect the perps and the leaders who argue that SA of Palestinians should be codified? @blabla12654
They think humans have varying value then using the guise of religion pick sides. Had Rome not picked sides we'd probably be happily worshipping hundreds of gods today and possibly none if that was our choice. To think any Abrahamic religion is rooted in peace is pipe smoke. These bastards are all jockeying for the final conflict. YHWH wasn't even that much of a god and we all suffer from the acts of his bastardized disciples.
As others have mentioned, about time this story was told and a welcome change of tone ! I do love the Daily and I believe they weren't very pro Israel before this episode either
@@itcouldbelupus2842 which ones? "UN experts" such as Francesca Albanese? Come'n, give me a break. By definition it's simply not an apartheid state, it's not an ethnicity issue (there are 20% Israeli Palestinians with full rights). It's something else - These are occupied lands from Egypt and Jordan which don't want them and they occupied it from the British mandatory. These lands are still occupied because the Palestinian leaders don't want to establish any Palestine state, they just enjoy taking money and become billionaires.
Yes they are. I remember reports on in from pre 2010, the BBC is in fact how I first learned about illegal settlers and the violence. Presumably also earlier, that was just when I was a teenager so my earliest memories of watching the news. I have seen them report consistently on it since, especially since October 7th. You will not see this type of content because the BBC does not produce that, but you will absolutely see reports of settler violence on the TV news and website. Get this chip off your shoulder about "establishment media not telling the truth" or whatever, and focus on the real victims of these atrocities.
I did actually see one BBC report where they exposed the violence of one promonent Illegal settler in the west bank. He ran way from their cameras because he knows he is a scum bag terrorist.
@@defcon12this is disingenuous, the NYT has never before dedicated an in depth look at the atrocities committed against Palestinians in the West Bank the way they regularly do for Israeli victims. Even this story is framed as “a fight for Israel’s soul”….theyre treating Palestinian victims as merely a symptom of Israel gone astray. One gets the sense that the real tragedy is that Israel will no longer be a liberal democratic state, the Palestinian victims are merely secondary.
Thank you for this eye opener. I am crying, one of the angry people on Israel and the plight of the Palestinians in Ghaza and the West Bank, for the wonderful, smart and warm-hearted Jewish people allover the World who are being dragged down to dirt by a vile, nationalistic and religious stupidity.
The old community of Jews that used to live in Gaza perished in Islamist riots of 1929, concurrent with dozens of other communities, the massacre in Hebron was documented, you can see the photos of that ISIS style massacre in archives of the NYT. Photos like the gut churning photos of the massacre of Oct. 7 only in black and white. *In 1929 the massacres were committed mostly by mobs. 1929 is 19 years before the reinstitution of Israel, 38 years before Israel recovered Gaza strip from Egypt, 37 years before the process of appropriating the title Palestinians by Arabs has even started.
Very important podcast. One note at 9:28 regarding the Six Day War. Israel *preemptively* struck Egypts fleet of jets and Syria’s immediately after. The Arab countries DID NOT attack first.
Blocking maritime passages enacted by Egypt were acts of war, FYI Nassar has told his party top forum that blocking passage to Israel in the straits of Tiran will 100% lead to a war. Amassing Egyptian forces on the border with Israel. Egypt ordering UN buffer forces to evacuate Egypt declaring publicly it will annihilate Israel Egypt planning an invasion on May 27 that was cancelled because the Israelis discovered the plan and sent a warning via USA USSR==>Egypt.
A recent Economist article touches on the heavy representation of settlers from the West Bank in IDF combat units. A graduate of Bnei David was a military secy to Netanyahu and the current general of Central Command grew up in a settlement and studied at Bnei David. There’s a good quote from the article: “They’re well educated, ideologically driven and mentally strong. They’re engineering a quiet revolution.”
Oh boy!!!! Not going to work! Do people realize that other people have ears and eyes and a functioning brain, A brain, that hasn’t been compromised by any type of indoctrination. It’s very important to keep that in mind when resources of all kinds especially live, approved coverage, via filming, with audio are at one’s fingertips. In other words, with the tools that the majority of human beings are blessed with , by the CREATOR, including gut instinct, common sense and most of all, the inherent gift of emotions and many others, well.. umm.. we SEE IT!! Let’s see if you have the ability in regards to certain comments on this videos comment section , that are being worded to give the reader a feeling of excusing inhumane behavior, what meaning or message is in my comment!
I wanted to thank you for this beautiful update, for the correctness and objectivity of the information, really all very interesting and well presented. very good everyone, I would like to have further news and insights on the Israeli Palestinian situation and also on the Lebanese front and the neighboring or indirectly involved countries. thank you!
i agree with my fellow replier, there is SO much good, deep information out there, waiting around for NYT.. well that's how we got where we are ELEVEN months and seven decades later.
The old community of Jews that used to live in Gaza perished in Islamist riots of 1929, concurrent with dozens of other communities, the massacre in Hebron was documented, you can see the photos of that ISIS style massacre in archives of the NYT. Photos like the gut churning photos of the massacre of Oct. 7 only in black and white. *In 1929 the massacres were committed mostly by mobs. 1929 is 19 years before the reinstitution of Israel, 38 years before Israel recovered Gaza strip from Egypt, 37 years before the process of appropriating the title Palestinians by Arabs has even started.
@@ef2718nah … we all lived there just fine, massacres and riots only instigated when zios showed up on our shores, turning arab jews and Arab Christians / Muslims against each other.. we know what you did and have been doing, and continue to do.. divide and colonize. That’s been the strategy from day one.. and the world is finding out too…
Yes! Timeline has an excellent documentary on the Balfour Declaration, for whomever wants to learn on how it all started. Follow it up with the well-researched videos by GDF.
Good article. The only problem is there in no "Palestinian side in the storyx The truth is Bev Gvir, the most right wing Israel, if he were in Hamas he would be the most leftist there. This is the difference between Israel and Gaza.
Mr. Bergman is spot on in his analysis on the dangers that the theocratic hard right and unconstrained settlements poses to the rule of law and democracy in Israel. I looked favorably at the full withdrawal and dismantlement of settlements from Gaza in 2005, hoping that (if it proved to be advantageous to peace and security) it would be a bold step towards a comprehensive two-state solution. But, events have dashed my hopes: a theocratic, antisemitic, antidemocratic kleptocratic terrorist organization (Hamas) seized power in Gaza, and they made it clear in word and actions that they are committed to the destruction of Israel, and no concessions on Israel's part would change that. The first Israelis that they killed, kidnapped and raped were those who resided in the liberal border Kibbutzim that were anti-settlement and pro-human rights. Hence there is zero evidence that dismantling settlements in the west bank and establishing a full palestinian state there would bring peace and security. I hate the rabid right wing in Israel, but they were right...
You cannot claim you are a democracy when you are built on stolen land, operating an occupation and running a brutal apartheid regime. They are not a democracy. They are a racist religious ethno state.
You guys love throwing in bs allegations like “rape” casually into the mix ah? You guys gonna sprinkle some of those bs allegations to justify your war crimes in Lebanon too?
Yes. This far right movement is reaching its boiling point, but it has been going on since the founding in 1948 - even before that. It doesn't make anyone safe, including (especially) the diaspora around the world it claims to protect. It was both a massive historical and geographical mistake. In the words of Israeli historian, Ilan Pappé: 'Zionism offered itself as the solution to anti-Semitism, but became the main reason for its continued presence.'
You should critique this question of yours and your reason for thinking of it in the first place. But since settlers have treated Palestinians badly (according to the Jews, themselves) since they first started moving there in significant numbers in the 1890s, we will never know how this might have turned out differently. It is a pity that the few among the Zionists who were interested in fair treatment and co-existence lost to the more aggressive side.
@@mauricehalfhide3982 It seems like, before the intifadas, there was a real chance for peace under a two-state solution. The intifadas made Israelis not able to see peace as realistic. Seems to me that the intifadas could have happened even without the West Bank settlements because there were enough Palestinians willing to use terror tactics just for Israel existing, and if enough people are willing to use terror tactics unless Israel ceases to be, then the Israelis really do have no choice but toughness or the destruction of their country.
@@lonecandle5786 Well I realize that you are only interested in giving credit to the Israeli narrative about Palestinians. Perhaps it comes from your being underinformed?--I wouldn't know.
@@mauricehalfhide3982 Your realization is a false one. I don't care about just one side's narrative. I care about the truth. There was a clear rightward reaction of the Israeli public to the intifadas. It is simply true that the Israelis cannot keep their Jewish state and live in peace if a significant number of Palestinians will use terror tactics unless Israel is destroyed. It's not clear at all that without the West Bank settlements we wouldn't get something like the Intifadas because Palestinians have been willing to use violence against the Jews since they started arriving.
While some of this is true, Ben Gurion and the early occupiers and colonizers were not satisfied with the borders that were assigned to the zionist state by the UN resolution even though it gave them more than half of the land and most of it fertile and agricultural despite jews being the minority. Their goal was to accept the resolution but not the borders, they wanted to draw their own borders which included all of historic Palestine and they went about that by terrorism and emptying the villages, displacing the people, massacring civilians and occupying the land. Since its inception, the zionist state wanted it all and without concessions, meaning all Palestinians needed to either leave by force or die. So let's not gloss over the terrors of the Nakba and the real, genocidal goals of the zionist state from day 1 which as we see have not changed. Also the 1967 war started with Israel attacking Egypt and Syria, not the other way around. And all of these "conquests" would not be possible without the full military and financial support of the west, most notably Britain back then and US now, especially when the countries they had to face were nascent, unstable arab countries that just acquired their independence from France and Britain who colonized them for years and so were not ready to face a military power that was built up by the west. We are not fooled. We can read and learn and detect propaganda and lies.
this is bullshit. arab rejectionism of any israeli sovereignty was always the core of the issue. the arab league declared war on israel as soon as the partition was accepted by them.
The only way there will be peace is when the children of Isræl recognize their heritage and return to Torah,, from this they will realize they need to unite with the children of Ishmæl in order to fulfill the prophecies and end the military occupation and usher in the era of Truth and Peace!
@@luisdavidllense2293 I can't tell if this a serious or sarcastic comment? People have very mixed views on him. But yes, he's likely to agree and recognize this aspect which many other rabbis are paid to ignore. If the world starts demanding the Jews go back to Torah instead of back to Europe the world would be a better place. Sadly, I think alot of the world is scared of that too which is why the would rather coward behind antisemitism and telling the Jews to go back to Europe
13:19 damn now that's super scary. 😅 Absolutely ludicrous ideologies from fanatics... Speeding this concept which the Qur'an explains as the end times. The final wars before the end...😢
@@itcouldbelupus2842 RUclips censors my comments all the time. But antisemitism is allowed. Alphabet Google RUclips: "Don't be evil." your own motto you abandoned long time ago.
Do not stoop to the same level of hatred and racism as the zionists. They would much rather believe that people hate them for being jewish, instead of having to acknowledge the deeper truth that zionism is by definition apartheid
the lack of perspective is astonishing… ofc the state should go against terror within, with a strong hand! but wow? not a single word on why the arabs in the west B are not (and were never) on board on having a state there and recognizing Israel borders… it is just crazy! everyone just believes that there’s a consensus among palestinians about the 2 state solution that just never been a reality also, what about on why jordan signed a peace treaty and refused to take west bank?
West Bank is now Judea and Samaria with many Jews that are not going anywhere, any solution that includes another state would include them as part of the citizen population.
@@zaloo I would assume their (Arabs) local courts will be their tribal courts. For instance, petty theft would be dealt in the village court and not subjected to national oversight.
It is Jewdea and Samaria (more precisely Yehuda and Shomron) for the last 3000 years, West Bank is a title imposed by Transjordan in an attempt to legitimize its hold of the what was titled in March 1949 Cease Fire agreements The Occupied Territories.
My friend, you have lost your bearings on this matter. Do you really believe Israel must leave Judea and Samaria? Go deeper.The story starts not no 60 yrs, 70 yrs, not 1967. Be real, gentleman - you think the so-called West Bank? You do not know your own history enough. History is a guide. You must read deep and think deep. Those who think they can trade land for peace will only achieve peace when all the Arab nations and people agree that they must leave Israel alone under the 2024 borders.
To summairze, Ronen Bergman boils down the problem on the Israeli side to the everlasting left vs right problem and blames the right-wing governments and extremism for many of the problems, and he opts to lie to advance his political agenda. More specifically, the obvious falsehoods underpinning the narrative: (1) Legally, neither the West Bank, nor Gaza, isn't occupied territory according to international law, even though most media really like using these disclaimers everywhere - so far, only political UN declarations that have no legal effect and non-binding ICJ decisions said it was, but Israeli sovereignty over these lands is based on (a) Israel being the only country emerging from the Mandate for Palestine (Uti posidetis juris), and confirmed by (b) peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt ceding these areas to Israel, (2) Forced evictions of Israelis from settlements in Gaza by the Israeli government took place before the withdrawal from Gaza in the early 2000s, and could happen again in case a proper peace is on the table. Land swaps were discussed during the peace neogitations with Palestinians in the past - and this wasn't an obstacle during the negotiations once; the key issue each time was the Palestinian "right of return". Bergman's narrative is simply false and is based on cherrypicking facts, the real situation is significantly more nuanced. But I guess it's easier to sell a pre-digested left-wing narrative to the NYT audience instead of covering all available arguments
What? Both the ICJ and the Israeli Supreme Court have declared the West Bank to be under military occupation. In fact, it's currently the longest running military occupation in the world. There's also a very strong case to be made for Gaxa being under occupation, as Israel effectively controls all of its borders (yes, including the Egyptian land crossing). Plus, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank carry ID cards issued by Israel, colour coded to show which part of the occupied territories they're from, which restricts their movements.
@@adz951ICJ had no binding ruling on this, and the Israeli Supreme Court's decision is inconsistent because from Israel's point of view, the only country whose sovereignty legally applies in the West Bank is Israel, and you can only occupy another country's lands. Btw this inconsistency created by the Supreme Court made it possible for the Israeli Government to keep calling the West Bank "disputed territories"
This is off-topic, but since you mentioned lieing, I was curious what you think about the following claims about Oct 7th: 40 babies beheaded Mass rape Baby put in oven Baby cut out of womans womb Woman's breast cut off and played with as if a football. Were these lies? If so, why were they told? On the other hand are the following lies, that Palestinians are routinely sexually assaulted in Israeli detention camps and prisons, that the Hannibal directive was employed on Oct 7th, that Israel uses Palestinians as "human shields"? I concede that I cherry picked the preceding , but don't you think the answers to those questions are informative, regardless.
@@blabla12654 So you are saying the West Bank is not occupied, because it has been fully captured and it is now simply part of Israel? That's a step beyond occupation, and would imply that all the Palestinians there are now full Israeli citizens (unless there is some sort of apartheid that excludes them).
1. If the WestBank is fully Israeli sovereign territory, as you claim, then shouldn't the full protection of sovereign domestic Israeli law extend to the Palestinians living in the West Bank? How do you explain why Israeli settlers living in the West Bank have greater legal rights and protections (including the right to have guns, which Palestinians in the territory do not have) than Palestinians? Even more to the point, why has the Israeli Supreme Court repeatedly described it as a military occupation? 2. If you don't think that forced evictions of settlers would be a major stumbling block to peace, how do you explain the fact that Smotrich has explicitly argued the contrary, and explicitly said that he supports the expansion of settlements on the basis that they can never be included in peace negotiations.
Ronen Bergman, thank you for your courage, your brilliance and your honesty in holding up this most important mirror. As shocking as it is to see all the pieces coming together, it also gives me finally the real picture of how the demise of Israel has been building up over all these years. It is heartbreaking, infuriating, shocking, horrific for the poor people being targeted and maimed and murdered and deeply treacherous to the soul of Judaism. A stain is saying it lightly. Thank you again for your courage, our elders would be proud of you, I know that in my heart of hearts.
And why are my taxes going towards the support of Israel?
You're free to vote for or against it.
My taxes go for a lot of things I don't want, what makes you different?
@@gandydancer9710 -^^^|/// Mark Perlmutter, a Jewish-American humanitarian surgeon who spent two weeks in the Palestinian enclave in April and May, has told of Palestinian children being shot by Israeli snipers in Gaza. Perlmutter told a US broadcaster in an interview published on Monday that “no toddler gets shot twice by mistake by ‘the world’s best sniper’”.
I don’t want my taxes to go towards that kind of barbarism.
@@bikerd12 There is nothing you say about Perlmutter that would inspire me to believe anything he says.
He sounds like a Useful Idiot who simply wants the terrorists to win.
The fantasy that Israeli snipers are told to shoot toddlers is lunacy.
There are way too many unshot Gazan toddlers for that to be plausible.
And no significant amount of US money is used to equip Israeli snipers anyway.
Israel can, and as far as I know, does pay for its own sniper rifles, ammo, and training.
Let's be clear that what you're really objecting to is US aid to help pay for Israeli anti-missile defenses.
@@gandydancer9710 perlmutter is probably a ham as secret agent, how about the first prime minister of Israel. "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
Of course you don’t believe perlmutter.
Excellent reporting. The US government could stop this any moment, but shockingly they won't. I almost cried while listening, you can hear pain for humanity in Mr. Bergman's voice.
Why pretend this is new
Because fortnite
Take a look at the history of every country in the Middle East. The Arabs did the same in all their territories.
@@grahamt5924 What have they done?
@@grahamt5924 Israel is worse than even Iran. Israel's right wing extremists rival only the Taliban. I've been to numerous countries in the Middle East including Iran --- Israel is the only place where I was threatened with assault by one of the orthodox and where I saw Christians unable to visit holy sites in Jerusalem from other parts of the West Bank. I was followed to Church in Iran but none of the Iranian Christians I spoke with said they had ever been restricted to any place of worship for Christians. Israel holds this hypocritical distinction.
@BiharyGabor you can't write what they have done in a comment on RUclips. If you do the comment, it gets deleted. You have to do your own Google search, but it is easy. The information is all there
Only took the Times a FREAKIN YEAR to stop manufacturing consent for a genocide. Not forgivable.
Props to this reporter however. You deserve better
THere is no genocide because Israel has prevented it again.
@@gandydancer9710I don't think Israel is holding back its worst impulses. It's an obvious genocide by the Jews.
Absolutely unforgivable, they could find themselves liable in the world court for aiding the gencders
@@mannygutierrez7654 You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@gandydancer9710 actually I do, media organizations that share propaganda that encourages a genocide can be held liable for that
Facts don't care about your feelings
The end of the Israel Project. A project that should never have been started.
It is a majority vs. minorities conflict.
The middle east Arab Islamic majority cannot accept the existence of an independent state of a minority, be it of Maronites, Assyrians, Druze or others, especially of Jews. By Arab Islamic supremacy culture, if it is not dominated and controlled by an Arab Islamic regime then it is an occupation.
Islam is marketing itself as the final true religion that replaces Judaism and Christianity, hence the need of Islam to defame Jews and Judaism, the reconstitution of an independent state of Jews in Judea puts a big question mark on that replacement claim that Islamists cant tolerate.
I hope so but I dont think so
This sure is a radical change in tone. Been sitting on this one for a year, maybe?
A year? Decades on decades.
@@503mcbee of course. I was alluding to NYTTD s minimization of Israel's current and historical role since October 7th
Only one year, of course 😂
The NYT has its own internal battles. They can get taken over by an extremist pro-Israel faction just like any other institution. During the Vietnam war, they had battles between the reporters in the field and the editors in Times Square.
75+ years
This doesn’t seem like it would’ve been possible without tacit acceptance from the United States. It’s truly a shame how few Americans know about this, given how large of an impact, their political decisions make on the lives of people living overseas.
True, Trump was paid 100 million to annex the west bank if elected, which would be an obvious disaster for peace, and dems don't even bring it up to score political points.
Why is it up to the US to either "accept" or reject whatever it is you're whining about?
@gandydancer9710 Because we're the global superpower with the most nukes and the most money, and it's not even close.
lands for settlement are openly promoted in the US
@@gandydancer9710 Because Israel is one of the three regional power in the middle east and the Israel is important to US projection of power in the middle east, the US sided with Israel. Israel has also used the domestic political area of the US to push its interests in Congress.
It's the same dynamic than with South Africa during the cold war. The USA was align with with South Africa because it sided with capitalism (and the US) against communism (and Russia), therefore, the US was more than willing to look the other way with South Africa's apartheid and shield it from international repercussions. The same thing is going on in Israel at the moment. Only when the USA stopped shielding South Africa that apartheid could be ended.
It is to the US to either "accept" or "reject" because we live in a unipolar world where the superpower is the USA.
Finally! This story needed to be told a long time ago, but I’m glad it’s finally being told.
This story is being told and has been told. In Europe even in Germany were people totally shy away from criticising Israel. Understandable, but not helpful.
In the US it is very hard to find popular main stream platforms give a straightforward full view of the story. Instead, typically they ignore the illegal settlements in West Bank entirely and then point to things like “Palestinians were given so many chances at peace and kept walking away from it”.
So it’s nice to see this story finally being told on a platform like this in the way it was.
Well the NY Times has been complicit with the genocide in Gaza since day 1. The story has been told all over the place, but not there.
Is it any wonder Oct 7 happened? The Palestinians have been dealing with Israeli terrorism since BEFORE Israel was even taken from them to create its own State. The US is complicit in EVERYTHING.
@Bizibee483 walking away from the 1937 peel commission partition and the UN 1947 partition resolution was a poor decision but the grand mufti of Jerusalem who worked with the nazis and his followers were adamant there would be Israeli state. Imagine if they had accepted one of these deals.
How has Hamas exploited the situation? This is the rhetoric that makes my blood boil. These are Palestinians who have known nothing but barbaric acts from Israelis
Did the withdrawal in 2005 mean nothing to HAMAS?
@@grahamt5924No. Why should it? Did the occupation end, was self determination granted, did the blockade end……the answer is no, therefore the resistance will rightfully continue.
@@grahamt5924 how about you look into this a little deeper, instead of the rehearsed points? What was the real motive of the withdrawal? What happened after? Please read and understand first, then comment.
@@grahamt5924either you're intellectually deficient or intellectually dishonest. Despicable all the same. FO!!
@handsanitiser9832 I have read about it. The Jews fully withdrew in 2005, but missles kept coming. The blockade is to try and stop the missile attacks.
If HAMAS is allowed to import everything it wants, just think of the damage it can do then.
"Jewish democratic state" contradicts itself. Why a Jewish state? That alone is problematic
No, it's not.
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Yes, it is.
@@zaloo Pfft.
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thanks for getting ahead of me; exactly.
@@zaloo You've got nothing except an inflated sense of the value of your baseless opinions.
This is for posterity. "The Path to the Lunatic State that is now the current Israel". I felt that extreme sadness when they took out the one guy that could have ultimately saved Israel Yitzhak Rabin, he's the only one who understands what it takes for Israel project to continue. Look at Israel now they can't stop from spiraling downwards, guided by a self-centered Netanyahu posing as Mr. Security when he has created all the insecurities and eventual downfall of the Israel project, it's gonna be over soon. They lost all the respect of the world, they even lost their super power which is being the ultimate victim, that belongs to Palestinians now, today they are the Oppressors, the Nazi of this generation. I pity those people who don't see where this is heading. It's gonna be over soon.
‘Soon’ can mean decades or even centuries in this context.
Yes, the Z's have shown The World EXACTLY Who They Are.
And the J's who Aren't COMPLICIT will Pay The Price.
Yitzhak is no different from every Israeli "leadership". Look into the vile things he did and said. Israelis were never interested in a peace deal. There maybe 1 or 2 times when peace could have been achieved but there were too many zionist trying to make it fail. It's very frustrating and sad.
We are propping up an Apartheid State.... Why?
Because AIPAC is not registered as a foreign agent yet
Ask your elected legislators. They can do more about it than RUclips commenters.
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Follow the trace of money and you get the answer
Money, greed, corruption, blackmail.
This is a real story. If you love Israel it is important
It's garbage.
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at least you're here commenting and not burning down villages
@@zaloo At least you're here commenting and not murdering Jews.
Hi Ronen Bergman. In your NYT piece from May 21, 2021 titled "A Look Inside Israel’s ‘Fortress of Zion’ Military Command Beneath Tel Aviv" you reported:
"This room is the nerve center of a bunker dubbed the “Fortress of Zion,” a new Israeli Army command post deep underground beneath its headquarters in the heart of Tel Aviv."
In your opinion, does this qualify as the kind of command and control center that violates the laws of war by operating within a high-density civilian area? Bearing in mind that the bunker referred to is just next door to Ichilov - the largest maternity hospital in Tel Aviv? And if your answer is "no" could you kindly explain why not? Thanks.
Ministry of Truth...plz censor Robert's comment
What "Law of War" are you referring to?
No arm-waving please.
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Ministry of Truth !!! Haha!!
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If you don’t know what law of war means, you should do research!
@@soulfireonfire6423 Your problem is that I do and either you don't or you're comfortable lying.
Hence the empty arm-waving is all you've got.
Quote the "law" you're claiming is being violated.
You can't of course.
Congratulate you for providing so simple yet so authentic facts leading to nightmare scenario facing Israel today. If democracy still works within Israel, they can step back from suicidal path of self destruction
Israel attacked Egypt in 1967, iaraeli talking points are utter nonsense
@@WillC-s5q 2/3 of the content is based on lies...the other 1/3 is a gaslight
The isteali ministers and generals even admit this in their bios and memoirs once they retire. They always attack first and then the US and Britain come back up their lies.
Its crazy to me that Israelis get away with that lie too. In what world does Israel defend itself by obliterating the air force of every country in the region in a surprise attack and they say they are just defending themselves. They invade the surrounding countries claiming large chunks of territory and then give back some land to Egypt in a secret agreement we still dont know the exact details of. Golan Heights are taken forever and Gaza and the west bank werent even involved. Imagine describing Hitler's blitzkrieg in Europe as a "defensive war"
Also, remember the USS Liberty. GDF has a well-cited video of the attack on the American vessel, complete with witness accounts.
Your knowledge is very poor.
You need to educate yourself.
Considering how the foundation of Israel is Nakba and dispossession of the Palestinian People, it is hardly surprising that extremists have taken over and are committing genocide and waging war on Lebanon. Backed as they are by US, UK and others.
The inevitability of an colonial apartheid state left without red lines...how else would you think this would end? Also that 67 characterization of being "thrown into war" is doing alot of heavy lifting
Wow ! FINALLY something honest from the Times....Will she last ?
Right. Only a matter of time before they try to ruin her life.
Knowing what the far right is will to do to achieve its goals, does Ronan Bergman fear for his life? That was a great piece! I would like to hear Ezra Klein’s comments on it.
"far right" is not really that descriptive. How about "pro-genocide"?
Great information and historical context.
Unprecedented callous inhumanity will never be forgiven. Global pariah. No way back.
eye opening and sad that the victim becomes the oppressor
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Douglas Murray, Sam Harris, and Jordan Peterson should listen to this. Albeit, I dont think it would do any good.
I think it's the other way around. Bergman needs to listen to them.
We can dream. But they probably wouldn't listen.
Based on your response, I am curious about what you think about the Palestinian Israeli tragedy. For example, what are your thoughts on the 9 IDF soldiers seen on video allegingly sodomizing that Palestinian and the members of society including the Knesset who rioted to protect the perps and the leaders who argue that SA of Palestinians should be codified? @blabla12654
They think humans have varying value then using the guise of religion pick sides. Had Rome not picked sides we'd probably be happily worshipping hundreds of gods today and possibly none if that was our choice. To think any Abrahamic religion is rooted in peace is pipe smoke. These bastards are all jockeying for the final conflict. YHWH wasn't even that much of a god and we all suffer from the acts of his bastardized disciples.
They are part of the Alt right...
Thankyou
As others have mentioned, about time this story was told and a welcome change of tone !
I do love the Daily and I believe they weren't very pro Israel before this episode either
They did have enough integrity to ditch the Anat Schwartz hasbara story.
and people get upstate when Israel is called an “apartheid state?”
Truth hurts
It simply ain't
@@danielquartler1527 it objectively is actually, according to all the experts.
@@itcouldbelupus2842 which ones?
"UN experts" such as Francesca Albanese?
Come'n, give me a break.
By definition it's simply not an apartheid state, it's not an ethnicity issue (there are 20% Israeli Palestinians with full rights).
It's something else -
These are occupied lands from Egypt and Jordan which don't want them and they occupied it from the British mandatory.
These lands are still occupied because the Palestinian leaders don't want to establish any Palestine state, they just enjoy taking money and become billionaires.
Its despicable that it took a year for this to gain traction.
A year?!?! I was protesting the intifada when I was in college back in 2000. Now my kid wears my Kaffiyeh from Palestine on his college campus.
BBC not talking about extremists in West Bank!
Yes they are. I remember reports on in from pre 2010, the BBC is in fact how I first learned about illegal settlers and the violence. Presumably also earlier, that was just when I was a teenager so my earliest memories of watching the news. I have seen them report consistently on it since, especially since October 7th. You will not see this type of content because the BBC does not produce that, but you will absolutely see reports of settler violence on the TV news and website.
Get this chip off your shoulder about "establishment media not telling the truth" or whatever, and focus on the real victims of these atrocities.
I did actually see one BBC report where they exposed the violence of one promonent Illegal settler in the west bank. He ran way from their cameras because he knows he is a scum bag terrorist.
Thanks for this powerful report. It helps me understand
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Thank you for your clarity.
too late nyt!
The other commenters pretending like this is the first time the NYT talked about the West Bank
@@defcon12 how often have they used "Israeli terrorists" though?
@@Sacrifusion whenever it is relevant to the context of their article.
Are you just upset that you like something the NYT published?
@@defcon12 I'm dyslexic, I listen to podcasts, and they don't talk like this on The Daily.
And what?
@@defcon12this is disingenuous, the NYT has never before dedicated an in depth look at the atrocities committed against Palestinians in the West Bank the way they regularly do for Israeli victims. Even this story is framed as “a fight for Israel’s soul”….theyre treating Palestinian victims as merely a symptom of Israel gone astray. One gets the sense that the real tragedy is that Israel will no longer be a liberal democratic state, the Palestinian victims are merely secondary.
@@mua2 the past year of turning a blind eye has been dangerous
I've known about this for 20 years. There's no way the NYT didn't!
Most Americans don’t know much about the countries outside the US. And any history they do know is usually sanitized, black and white mythology.
Thank you for this eye opener. I am crying, one of the angry people on Israel and the plight of the Palestinians in Ghaza and the West Bank, for the wonderful, smart and warm-hearted Jewish people allover the World who are being dragged down to dirt by a vile, nationalistic and religious stupidity.
why are jewish people being dragged down? do you say this about chinese americans or turkish americans because their governments commit genocide?
1st uprising when nothing done, Palestinians furious.
The old community of Jews that used to live in Gaza perished in Islamist riots of 1929, concurrent with dozens of other communities, the massacre in Hebron was documented, you can see the photos of that ISIS style massacre in archives of the NYT. Photos like the gut churning photos of the massacre of Oct. 7 only in black and white.
*In 1929 the massacres were committed mostly by mobs.
1929 is
19 years before the reinstitution of Israel,
38 years before Israel recovered Gaza strip from Egypt,
37 years before the process of appropriating the title Palestinians by Arabs has even started.
@@ef2718ohhhhh stop lying
Very important podcast. One note at 9:28 regarding the Six Day War. Israel *preemptively* struck Egypts fleet of jets and Syria’s immediately after. The Arab countries DID NOT attack first.
Zionists be Zionizing the truth
Blocking maritime passages enacted by Egypt were acts of war, FYI Nassar has told his party top forum that blocking passage to Israel in the straits of Tiran will 100% lead to a war.
Amassing Egyptian forces on the border with Israel.
Egypt ordering UN buffer forces to evacuate
Egypt declaring publicly it will annihilate Israel
Egypt planning an invasion on May 27 that was cancelled because the Israelis discovered the plan and sent a warning via USA USSR==>Egypt.
The Arabs were the aggressors.
They set a blockade on Israel, assembled all their forces and evacuated all the soviets from their states.
Remember when Rabin called the religious Jews cry babies? How inflammatory & disrespectful that was.
A recent Economist article touches on the heavy representation of settlers from the West Bank in IDF combat units. A graduate of Bnei David was a military secy to Netanyahu and the current general of Central Command grew up in a settlement and studied at Bnei David. There’s a good quote from the article: “They’re well educated, ideologically driven and mentally strong. They’re engineering a quiet revolution.”
Oh boy!!!!
Not going to work!
Do people realize that other people have ears and eyes and a functioning brain, A brain, that hasn’t been compromised by any type of indoctrination.
It’s very important to keep that in mind when resources of all kinds especially live, approved coverage, via filming, with audio are at one’s fingertips.
In other words, with the tools that the majority of human beings are blessed with , by the CREATOR, including gut instinct, common sense and most of all, the inherent gift of emotions and many others, well.. umm..
we SEE IT!!
Let’s see if you have the ability in regards to certain comments on this videos comment section , that are being worded to give the reader a feeling of excusing inhumane behavior, what meaning or message is in my comment!
I wanted to thank you for this beautiful update, for the correctness and objectivity of the information, really all very interesting and well presented. very good everyone, I would like to have further news and insights on the Israeli Palestinian situation and also on the Lebanese front and the neighboring or indirectly involved countries. thank you!
Wow!! Tons of info out there. Must not want to know that bad!
i agree with my fellow replier, there is SO much good, deep information out there, waiting around for NYT.. well that's how we got where we are ELEVEN months and seven decades later.
Israeli crimes started since or even before 1948.
The old community of Jews that used to live in Gaza perished in Islamist riots of 1929, concurrent with dozens of other communities, the massacre in Hebron was documented, you can see the photos of that ISIS style massacre in archives of the NYT. Photos like the gut churning photos of the massacre of Oct. 7 only in black and white.
*In 1929 the massacres were committed mostly by mobs.
1929 is
19 years before the reinstitution of Israel,
38 years before Israel recovered Gaza strip from Egypt,
37 years before the process of appropriating the title Palestinians by Arabs has even started.
@@ef2718 that's history you are writing ..it is a joke to take NYT reporting as absolute truth.
@@ef2718nah … we all lived there just fine, massacres and riots only instigated when zios showed up on our shores, turning arab jews and Arab Christians / Muslims against each other.. we know what you did and have been doing, and continue to do.. divide and colonize. That’s been the strategy from day one.. and the world is finding out too…
Yes! Timeline has an excellent documentary on the Balfour Declaration, for whomever wants to learn on how it all started. Follow it up with the well-researched videos by GDF.
@@luisdavidllense2293 Jews don't care much for Balfour declaration, they care for the Bible, their history, culture, language, holy site.
Thank you
Dear NY Times: How's the Fulbright program?
NYT surprised me here. Keep it up! 👍
1/2 way through is SHOCKING!!!
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Facebook has restricted me yet again, i wanted to share this to groups but they will not let me.
Good morning, Netanyahu is & was always leaning to the right, not the hapless power hungry you make Netanyahu to be
I would be ashamed of my nation, if this was my country
Your country is probably funding this country…
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Good article.
The only problem is there in no "Palestinian side in the storyx
The truth is Bev Gvir, the most right wing Israel, if he were in Hamas he would be the most leftist there.
This is the difference between Israel and Gaza.
Background music is obnoxious and overbearing.
Check the Lubavitch Rabbi's views on giving up Land of Israel
Benzion MILEIKOWSKY (fake name Benjamin Nentayahu 😂) has a home in POLAND where he was born😂😂 and he calls himself sematic😂😂😂
Well, Semites also includes Arabs, based on language.
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Mr. Bergman is spot on in his analysis on the dangers that the theocratic hard right and unconstrained settlements poses to the rule of law and democracy in Israel. I looked favorably at the full withdrawal and dismantlement of settlements from Gaza in 2005, hoping that (if it proved to be advantageous to peace and security) it would be a bold step towards a comprehensive two-state solution. But, events have dashed my hopes: a theocratic, antisemitic, antidemocratic kleptocratic terrorist organization (Hamas) seized power in Gaza, and they made it clear in word and actions that they are committed to the destruction of Israel, and no concessions on Israel's part would change that. The first Israelis that they killed, kidnapped and raped were those who resided in the liberal border Kibbutzim that were anti-settlement and pro-human rights. Hence there is zero evidence that dismantling settlements in the west bank and establishing a full palestinian state there would bring peace and security. I hate the rabid right wing in Israel, but they were right...
You cannot claim you are a democracy when you are built on stolen land, operating an occupation and running a brutal apartheid regime. They are not a democracy. They are a racist religious ethno state.
You guys love throwing in bs allegations like “rape” casually into the mix ah? You guys gonna sprinkle some of those bs allegations to justify your war crimes in Lebanon too?
Yes. This far right movement is reaching its boiling point, but it has been going on since the founding in 1948 - even before that. It doesn't make anyone safe, including (especially) the diaspora around the world it claims to protect. It was both a massive historical and geographical mistake. In the words of Israeli historian, Ilan Pappé: 'Zionism offered itself as the solution to anti-Semitism, but became the main reason for its continued presence.'
Don’t tell me the apartheid, colonialist theocratic ethnostate has birthed illiberal forces?! Amazing!
A whole year….. wow. Don’t show up on my timeline like you’ve been here through it all. Disappointing
He implies that if not for the settlements, there would be no intifadas. How sure can we be that that's the case?
The settlements are illegal theft enterprises. The settlers are terrorists.
You should critique this question of yours and your reason for thinking of it in the first place. But since settlers have treated Palestinians badly (according to the Jews, themselves) since they first started moving there in significant numbers in the 1890s, we will never know how this might have turned out differently. It is a pity that the few among the Zionists who were interested in fair treatment and co-existence lost to the more aggressive side.
@@mauricehalfhide3982 It seems like, before the intifadas, there was a real chance for peace under a two-state solution. The intifadas made Israelis not able to see peace as realistic. Seems to me that the intifadas could have happened even without the West Bank settlements because there were enough Palestinians willing to use terror tactics just for Israel existing, and if enough people are willing to use terror tactics unless Israel ceases to be, then the Israelis really do have no choice but toughness or the destruction of their country.
@@lonecandle5786 Well I realize that you are only interested in giving credit to the Israeli narrative about Palestinians. Perhaps it comes from your being underinformed?--I wouldn't know.
@@mauricehalfhide3982 Your realization is a false one. I don't care about just one side's narrative. I care about the truth. There was a clear rightward reaction of the Israeli public to the intifadas. It is simply true that the Israelis cannot keep their Jewish state and live in peace if a significant number of Palestinians will use terror tactics unless Israel is destroyed. It's not clear at all that without the West Bank settlements we wouldn't get something like the Intifadas because Palestinians have been willing to use violence against the Jews since they started arriving.
They tie up a pales kid on their jeep windshield and call Pales using human shields. They’re the biggest human shield perpertrators
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Spending billions on sense-or-shipping words is a sure sign you're on the wrong side.
While some of this is true, Ben Gurion and the early occupiers and colonizers were not satisfied with the borders that were assigned to the zionist state by the UN resolution even though it gave them more than half of the land and most of it fertile and agricultural despite jews being the minority. Their goal was to accept the resolution but not the borders, they wanted to draw their own borders which included all of historic Palestine and they went about that by terrorism and emptying the villages, displacing the people, massacring civilians and occupying the land. Since its inception, the zionist state wanted it all and without concessions, meaning all Palestinians needed to either leave by force or die. So let's not gloss over the terrors of the Nakba and the real, genocidal goals of the zionist state from day 1 which as we see have not changed. Also the 1967 war started with Israel attacking Egypt and Syria, not the other way around. And all of these "conquests" would not be possible without the full military and financial support of the west, most notably Britain back then and US now, especially when the countries they had to face were nascent, unstable arab countries that just acquired their independence from France and Britain who colonized them for years and so were not ready to face a military power that was built up by the west. We are not fooled. We can read and learn and detect propaganda and lies.
this is bullshit. arab rejectionism of any israeli sovereignty was always the core of the issue. the arab league declared war on israel as soon as the partition was accepted by them.
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Is there a discussion about NYT threat to foundation of American society?
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The only way there will be peace is when the children of Isræl recognize their heritage and return to Torah,, from this they will realize they need to unite with the children of Ishmæl in order to fulfill the prophecies and end the military occupation and usher in the era of Truth and Peace!
Sounds like something the good Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss would say.
@@luisdavidllense2293 I can't tell if this a serious or sarcastic comment?
People have very mixed views on him. But yes, he's likely to agree and recognize this aspect which many other rabbis are paid to ignore. If the world starts demanding the Jews go back to Torah instead of back to Europe the world would be a better place.
Sadly, I think alot of the world is scared of that too which is why the would rather coward behind antisemitism and telling the Jews to go back to Europe
those chinese toys from the 80s that only saw the wall when they hit it ... lovely
13:19 damn now that's super scary. 😅 Absolutely ludicrous ideologies from fanatics... Speeding this concept which the Qur'an explains as the end times. The final wars before the end...😢
If it wears a tiny hat, it lies, cheats, steals, and kills. So very sad to those J's against all of this.
Don't be antisemitic
@@itcouldbelupus2842 RUclips censors my comments all the time. But antisemitism is allowed. Alphabet Google RUclips: "Don't be evil." your own motto you abandoned long time ago.
Do not stoop to the same level of hatred and racism as the zionists. They would much rather believe that people hate them for being jewish, instead of having to acknowledge the deeper truth that zionism is by definition apartheid
@@itcouldbelupus2842 Yes. I'd rather be anti-Zionist, like Rabbis Yisroel Dovid Weiss and Yaakov Shapiro. Two great Jewish explainers on this subject.
@@luisdavidllense2293 exactly
the lack of perspective is astonishing…
ofc the state should go against terror within, with a strong hand!
but wow? not a single word on why the arabs in the west B are not (and were never) on board on having a state there and recognizing Israel borders…
it is just crazy! everyone just believes that there’s a consensus among palestinians about the 2 state solution that just never been a reality
also, what about on why jordan signed a peace treaty and refused to take west bank?
West Bank is now Judea and Samaria with many Jews that are not going anywhere, any solution that includes another state would include them as part of the citizen population.
They are the terrorists who make co existence impossible. Stop with your whinging.
then they'll have to be accountable to the law, just like citizens of any true country, which puts many of them rightfully in jail.
@@zaloo I would assume their (Arabs) local courts will be their tribal courts. For instance, petty theft would be dealt in the village court and not subjected to national oversight.
It is Jewdea and Samaria (more precisely Yehuda and Shomron) for the last 3000 years, West Bank is a title imposed by Transjordan in an attempt to legitimize its hold of the what was titled in March 1949 Cease Fire agreements The Occupied Territories.
My friend, you have lost your bearings on this matter. Do you really believe Israel must leave Judea and Samaria? Go deeper.The story starts not no 60 yrs, 70 yrs, not 1967. Be real, gentleman - you think the so-called West Bank? You do not know your own history enough. History is a guide. You must read deep and think deep. Those who think they can trade land for peace will only achieve peace when all the Arab nations and people agree that they must leave Israel alone under the 2024 borders.
When it comes to history, I'd rather listen to Israeli historian Ilan Pappé. His book, Ten Myths About Israel, is a good starting point.
Shame on you ny times
The guy is sick, no use.
Yes, Netanyahu is a sick, evil man. Agreed.
Still more deception
To summairze, Ronen Bergman boils down the problem on the Israeli side to the everlasting left vs right problem and blames the right-wing governments and extremism for many of the problems, and he opts to lie to advance his political agenda. More specifically, the obvious falsehoods underpinning the narrative:
(1) Legally, neither the West Bank, nor Gaza, isn't occupied territory according to international law, even though most media really like using these disclaimers everywhere - so far, only political UN declarations that have no legal effect and non-binding ICJ decisions said it was, but Israeli sovereignty over these lands is based on (a) Israel being the only country emerging from the Mandate for Palestine (Uti posidetis juris), and confirmed by (b) peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt ceding these areas to Israel,
(2) Forced evictions of Israelis from settlements in Gaza by the Israeli government took place before the withdrawal from Gaza in the early 2000s, and could happen again in case a proper peace is on the table. Land swaps were discussed during the peace neogitations with Palestinians in the past - and this wasn't an obstacle during the negotiations once; the key issue each time was the Palestinian "right of return".
Bergman's narrative is simply false and is based on cherrypicking facts, the real situation is significantly more nuanced. But I guess it's easier to sell a pre-digested left-wing narrative to the NYT audience instead of covering all available arguments
What? Both the ICJ and the Israeli Supreme Court have declared the West Bank to be under military occupation. In fact, it's currently the longest running military occupation in the world. There's also a very strong case to be made for Gaxa being under occupation, as Israel effectively controls all of its borders (yes, including the Egyptian land crossing). Plus, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank carry ID cards issued by Israel, colour coded to show which part of the occupied territories they're from, which restricts their movements.
@@adz951ICJ had no binding ruling on this, and the Israeli Supreme Court's decision is inconsistent because from Israel's point of view, the only country whose sovereignty legally applies in the West Bank is Israel, and you can only occupy another country's lands. Btw this inconsistency created by the Supreme Court made it possible for the Israeli Government to keep calling the West Bank "disputed territories"
This is off-topic, but since you mentioned lieing, I was curious what you think about the following claims about Oct 7th:
40 babies beheaded
Mass rape
Baby put in oven
Baby cut out of womans womb
Woman's breast cut off and played with as if a football.
Were these lies? If so, why were they told?
On the other hand are the following lies, that Palestinians are routinely sexually assaulted in Israeli detention camps and prisons, that the Hannibal directive was employed on Oct 7th, that Israel uses Palestinians as "human shields"?
I concede that I cherry picked the preceding , but don't you think the answers to those questions are informative, regardless.
@@blabla12654 So you are saying the West Bank is not occupied, because it has been fully captured and it is now simply part of Israel? That's a step beyond occupation, and would imply that all the Palestinians there are now full Israeli citizens (unless there is some sort of apartheid that excludes them).
1. If the WestBank is fully Israeli sovereign territory, as you claim, then shouldn't the full protection of sovereign domestic Israeli law extend to the Palestinians living in the West Bank? How do you explain why Israeli settlers living in the West Bank have greater legal rights and protections (including the right to have guns, which Palestinians in the territory do not have) than Palestinians? Even more to the point, why has the Israeli Supreme Court repeatedly described it as a military occupation?
2. If you don't think that forced evictions of settlers would be a major stumbling block to peace, how do you explain the fact that Smotrich has explicitly argued the contrary, and explicitly said that he supports the expansion of settlements on the basis that they can never be included in peace negotiations.
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This kind of deeply dishonest and evil propaganda has no place in any productive conversation.
Shame on you.
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Yes. Hasbara is dishonest and evil. Agreed.
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You right wing lunatics are destroying your state.
You are proving his point
Nothing like resorting to an ad hominem attack when you cannot make a valid point.
See u in Dimona soon... checkmate😊
What a genocide lover you are E_PH
Reporting is so full of misinformation that is unbelievable. I can hear The biased industry where you're making this sound liar
Point out an example of misinformation
Thank you