Installing Lithionics Batteries on our Sailboat | S06E22
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This week we continue to tear into Atticus II to install our new Lithionics Batteries + high output alternator electrical system. We wrap up all of the wiring, swap out our batteries, and hold our breath while we test the entire system to find out if we did anything wrong!
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Jordan I cannot compliment you enough. With my 12 or so years of avionics and industrial electrical and controls systems background. Your OJT on-the-job training was truly impressive. Your head must be busting at it seams. The team that you hired was perfect, especially when they used the temp-checker to verify the installation. That was so spot on and that you included it in the video was well done. Yes hooking everything together before you can "check and test" can be mentally challenge. Seeing that amperage as compared the temp was truly fantastic. Again further testament to the team that made all of this happen. Manifesting a vision in ones mind into a reality is quite the accomplishment.
Those wires are really hard to work with. The level of engineering depth and planning will pay off in the long run. One of the key pieces to the entire system, if I i got it right, was the main switch update, which provides the ability with no electronics to start the engine by two power sources.
What I missed is, can you power your electronics directly off the batteries even if all the "power distribution" circuit shuts down. Meaning, in emergency can you keep your communication equipment running and/or charge things like the sat phone?
Finally your candid statement that you are fully aware of the risks that come with the level of technology giving out at the wrong time. There is nothing like a having a "traditional high-quality sextant & compass" to navigate with, besides plastic charts of where you are sailing. Of course with the level of your seamanship and down-to-earth approach, you probably already have a bag with these items .
Again congrats to the both you as you build your blue water dream boat. One more thing, Captain Otto looks really cool with that hint of brown mustache. Very dignified looking more and more like a seadog he is!
Be safe the both you. As I look forward to your videos, just wish I had the time to help you guys, more than I can.
FYI: On other channels that do off-grid solar systems, they sell the schematics, as well as in-depth how-to video's.
Please carry extra belts. That said, You guys are great. Jordan, you are a natural teacher!! You explain everything in a way that is easy to understand and to absorb. A real pleasure to watch.
Extra belts and those custom Pulleys, Great electrical work for sure.
Something that I found works great for adding labels, is to use clear shrink wrap tubing to hold the labels in place. That way you don't need to make a "flag" with the label that gets caught on things.
That's how I have been doing it for a long time
Thanks I have been thinking about a better method!
Do you know if regular heat shrink tubing is adequate for marine environments or whether epoxy lined is the best bet?
We use regular clear shrink wrap tubing over the labels on the end of our Cliff Rescue ropes to denote their age and those ropes go through some nasty conditions. I've never seen the tubing come off and if it gets oogy, probably time for a new rope anyway!
Neil: *pause* "that was awesome"
Pretty much sums it up!
You’ve come a long way Bud. From the Key West to this. Just wow!! Can’t wait to see y’all down south and loving the sun and enjoying all this hard work…
So glad you changed that cable tie, was halfway through harping on about it and was duly surprised to hear it was the final topic lol. Was not even worried about the heat just the friction over a couple of years and the fact that it would be a solid earth ( starting batt) on the almighty positive. Well done on all accounts now.
same
That Livestream with Nigel Calder was totally awesome. So so much wisdom from long experience. He's a gem.
May not be feasible for some people but when I was a diesel mechanic we made battery cables. Took the end lugs and put in a vice. Heated them with a propane torch and filled them half full of solder and then inserted the cable into the molten metal. Followed up with heat shrink. They wouldn’t corode like a crimped lug would.
Congrats on going lithium! I'll be looking into that when I get a boat. Oh, and an update from a comment I made on one of your last videos- I passed my ASA sailing classes! 🥳
One of the newer sailing channels that hasn't even sailed anywhere just was gifted with a full set of Battleborn lithium batteries (I'm guessing $5k worth at least). I bet a lot of people are seething with envy.
These technical videos just hit different, the planning, research and execution are awesome to watch great video!
Really impressive electrical system installation. Your marine electrical contractor did such a neat job. Everything is so well laid out and organized. I think you have a very reliable and serviceable system there. *** Please, make sure that you carry a couple of alternator drive belts in your maintenance kit, always; the belt is going to fail eventually. (Just sayin')
Wow that is a impressive charging current. Well thought and well done. 👍🏻
You guys are consistently one of the best Sailing channels on RUclips! Thanks for sharing this info on electrical systems - very useful info.
I am so glad i watched until the end. Because when i saw the wire zip tied to the alternator i was thinking.....well 2 hours of motoring and the boat will be on fire. Im glad that was addressed.
I want Neil and Scott on my boat. They show awesome care and service. Top notch guys.
Buds!!! This is my dream system that I've been imagining for my boat. I too got giddy as I saw the amps rapidly climb past 100 and beyond to "ludicrous speed". The detail and level of craftsmanship is top notch. Thanks so very much for sharing the project.
Electrical 'stuff' has always been in the category of 'magical' to me. You guys are amazing, and we know Desiree was there all the way as support crew, chief cook and bottle washer, dog Mom, general caretaker to allow you the space... loved the explanations even I could understand. "More power Scotty!"
Thanks for sharing this amazing journey into the world of electric systems on a boat! Never thought it to be so complex and intriguing at the same time.
Neil is a cool dude. Real Pro.
You are so smart, having the boat wired by professionals, eliminating imperfections. After upgrading to Lithium we were forced to change our shore-power battery charger, specifically designed for Li-Ion batteries.
What I know about electricity is "On-Off," so watching this and last week's episodes would seem to be completely mind boggling. And since I don't own a boat, even more so. But am I wrong in thinking lots of viewers with the same skill levels as me, find it all to be really interesting. I hope so because it is these episodes I find as interesting as all the blue water ones, past and future. Thanks for sharing the building, wiring and installing information. Fascinating. Now I need to go make coffee, so another miracle of electricity. "On".
I couldn’t agree more!
I took electric shop in high school and that's about the extent of my electrical knowledge. So I'm no mechanical genius or wizard, but I'm equally fascinated by the carefully planned and seemingly perfect execution of this project!
Love The OB sticker in the battery compartment. My home town.....
I’m ready for just sailing videos again.
Cool beans guys, you have reached the epitome of electrical boat systems for your fine rig. When you have the best of the best, it's comforting.
I admire your courage and dedication!
Neal, that was exactly what I was thinking for a bracket on the alternator. I was also thinking about a plexiglass cover over that wall of all your connections. We've used small red fiberglass insulators as stand-off supports for the plexiglass. You can't see through plexiglass with IR cameras so we tell our customers to cut 1/2 holes through the entire panel. That way you can still see through it enough to use an IR device. The plexiglass is just to keep you from accidentally touching anything energized.
I'm a retired IBEW test technician.
That was a beautiful installation. You guys did an excellent job. 🤝🤝🤝👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Great episode! 👍 what a setup you guys have so impressive. 👌
Hey Guys,
I just have to say thank you so very much for your videos on this subject... it is so very helpful. I have been seriously considering upgrading my 12v electrical system on my Pacific Seacraft 44 . It is almost identical to you whole system.. and I also want to add in some solar just like you have done. Yes your upgrade from what I have seen will be a carbon copy of what you have done. Yes some small differences , I do have a Kabota generator , with a Bomar 200amp hr and a 140amp hr on the same engine you have .. made by the man that invented your belt drive system . Oh yes I purchased 3 additional belts for spares and he told me who am I going to .. Put in my Will , whom will receive those additional belt when I am gone...lol I was told that the belts will almost never need replacing. I do want to know how it all works out for you in the long run.
Robert
North Star
This is the second sailing video today installing Lithium-Iron systems. I just watched Expedition Evans do the same thing.
I completely rewired our 1980 Hughes 38 three years ago. Although now much more complicated, the reliability is 100% and it gives great peace of mind when offshore.
Another great episode dude Now across ocean hopefully 😁
Love the "and there was light!" moment even though it wasn't celebrated greatly. :-)
Thank goodness you addressed the alternator cable I was already writing my text at 23 minutes into the video as my retired mechanic self started getting irate hahaha
Captain Oso is awesome
Jordan, this is some MacGyver stuff! You are on it buddy!
I have put a layer of rubberized caulking and would smear a layer around the designated sockets I would use for electrical work. A colored caulking is better for knowing when maintenance needs done. Great video
Some great ideas and very worth while exploring !! Stay Safe & Fair Winds !!
This has been very educational and exciting! When. I get my next boat and go electric motor, I'll be hiring your guy to help me. Thanks for the info and video!
Fun on the water is directly proportionate to how close I am to it!
I noticed that the disconnect at the alternator is directly inline with the belt. If the belt should let go, there is the possibility it could take out the switch, and cables. Perhaps a guard of some sort might be prudent, if you can’t relocate the switch.
Awesome videos, content and production.
To think that Delos used to be my go-to sailing channel and now I can't wait to see J-Dog and D-Ray, even if they're doing super boring stuff. haha
Haven't heard from you guys in a while! So nice to see you again. Man did that dog grow!
WOW, that was a major step you guys needed to accomplish to get back out off shore!
Very exciting.. Thanks again guys.
I was impressed by the heat testing on components to make sure there are no hot spots. Super smart, and that gun was cool! :)
Congratulations Jordan good job
Hey guys! First off…amazing episode and congratulations on installing an amazing system!
Second, I’d like to mention how much we appreciate that you haven’t gone down the rabbit hole of inserting a *hit ton of ads in your videos!!! We totally appreciate the time and effort you must put into your content for amazing, informative and entertaining videos! Many of our channels that we’ve subscribed to are losing us as they put so many ads in their videos, it becomes too disruptive to enjoy watching them. I’d much rather contribute directly to you via PATREON (yes, we have yet to do that but it’s coming!) than watch endless ads. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. Many of us are on RUclips to avoid watching ads like on TV. Keep going guys! Can’t wait for you to cast off for your next journey and you WILL see a financial contribution from us very soon! You can hold our feet to the fire on that one…we’re working on our boat for next summer cruise up to Haida Gwaii in BC, Canada and our boat gets first dibs.
Thanks again.
Phil
amazing system - the best I have ever seen. Great job.
Looks like an amazing upgrade! Hope everything works well offshore! Best wishes! Hi Oso!
Hi. Just a hard learned aspect of my lithium install. I have 3 x 300 amphour Victrons and twin 3000 watt inverter/chargers. I hit my batteries with 300 charging amps just like you did we I started it up. Thought that was fantastic. It took me a year and 3 electricians to find out why why inverters would not stay on more than 10 or 15 minutes. It turned out the RED Blue Sea switches I used are only rated for 300 amps. Rated for that but would not actually take that type of amperage. They had melted internally. The switches would work until they got hot. Anyway lesson learned. If you start losing power from your alternator change your switches to the GRAY Blue Sea Switch. It is rated for 500 to 600 amps. If you can swap them now I would highly recommend it.
Good luck.
That's a very useful and helpful tip to share, Mark. Thank you. We looked at the 300a rating carefully, and on paper it will be fine. What happens aboard is often a totally different matter, as you know.
I absolutely love you guys & Project Atticus. I do feel a bit out of place in the comment section. Im totally not a boat person. The only thing I know about sailing comes from watching Project Atticus.
I really like the use of the infrared therm to test the heat in the cabling while running the system, I have never thought to use mine for that. Absolutely beautiful installation fellas, thanks for sharing!
What an amazing system, it’s absolutely pushing the limits of 12v and is really cutting edge. As Nigel mentioned in the previous video, the reason for the massive wiring is because of the actual potential output of the alternator at 360v, so it’s good to see that’s it’s just cruising along and not getting too hot at all when pushing upwards of 270v. I think, after watching this, I’d probably have gone with a lower powered alternator, probably about 260v max, push that to about 220v, and therefore reduce the size of the wiring to be more manageable and less weight, although charging times would be longer. I guess it’s all a trade off, charge batteries faster, require huge wires. Going to be interesting seeing how much heat you get in that engine room enclosure and how the switch holds up. I think that the solar etc will probably really reduce the amount of power you’d need from the engine anyway and only need to run it a few minutes a day, if at all, depending on where you are. I’m really excited to see how this works out for you Buds.
Yeah, what you said! 👍
Was there a reason to go 12v rather than 24v for the battery bank????
@@geniexmay562 24v would have reduced the amps for sure, but I think they went with 12v for some reason they explained before, but I can't remember what that was.
I was just thinking if there would be a way to set a current limit to the alternator so if they don't absolutely need over 270A it should limit amps there (just an example). If i feel over 300A as too much on the edge I may want to set a limit a bit lower and if needed manually change it on a case-by-case basis.
@@koborkutya7338 they have limited it already, but as was explained in an earlier video, they need to allow for the maximum amps the alternator can produce if the controller fails, hence the giant wires. They’ve limited it to 300amps, even though it can produce 360.
Three videos on your battery and solar array. Jordon I'm glad it's being done professionally.
Greetings from FIJI 🇫🇯.
That was awesome, you guys did a fantastic job and so planned and presented
Really happy to see a successful install. Nice to also see that you checked the temperature of the connections and wires. 2kW is pushing a lot of power for 12V.
Thank you!!
You need to find James and Plukkey! Show off your installation!
This is great, every sailing Channel I watch has just recently had a video and going lithium
Amazing well done
I sure would recommend carrying a couple of extra drive belts. I would think that that load will shorten belt life considerably.
The install looked clean to me! Very nice.
I do have to agree with Tim Trampenau about the "get home" plan, that is a lot of electronics on a sailboat.
Jordan please put an insulated clamp around the wire you zip tied to the alternator!
Over time that could wear through the insulation and start a fire.
In case your were curious, Sailing Parlay Revival STILL brings people to your channel. Nevermind the fact that Umatticus brought us here the first time. But the 2nd time earned the sub, haha.
We love you!
Nice setup
Jordan, can you talk about lighting protection,? That’s a lot of expensive electrical work that is vulnerable.
Don't get hit!! 😉😁
Who needs the “Electrical Book for Dummies”? Give me Jordan! Well done 👍. Cheers 🍻
Great work guys! Give us a shout if you want to chat about battery-powered air conditioning.
Looking gooooood!
Thanks for throwing in a couple minutes of eye candy for those of us who struggle with some of the deeper technical stuff. Cap’n Oso is so amazing! Can’t wait to see him sail next week.
Very nice installation! Very well thought out. It's almost time to go cruising!
IF YOU WANT TO OWN A BOAT YOU FIRST MUST KNOW HOW TO BUILD ONE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM!!! JORDAN BRO... YOU'RE VERY SMART GUY... DEFINITELY MADE MY PEA BRAIN HEAD SPIN!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍❤️
LUVYALL....AND OSO!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️ BETTER THAN ANY TRAVEL CHANNEL SHOW I'VE EVER SEEN!!!! RELAXING TO WATCH AFTER A LONG DAY OF NORMAL GRIND ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️😁
So glad it all worked ! I installed a Wakespeed last year in the bus and have yet to get it to charge our lithium, however I did smoke a $700.00 56v alternator in the process 😆 I forgot to learn that I needed to derate the field current to 25% since it’s 12v and not 48v. some day when I get Wakespeed to actually send me the correct program they said they would I can use my system lol
Love the final comment about wIre zip tied to alternator. I saw that and was surprised given how everything else was done so perfect. Was going to say something like you knew I was going to make a comment 🤣. Looks really good. I am surprised a bit about how there are only two batteries but they look huge. The just keeping getting denser
Most excellent...nicely done! You can get exhaust system brackets that have rubber mounts at any muffler/exhaust shop. They come in handy for lots of stuff and are very inexpensive.
Very educational and interresting. I try to soak up everything and use the knowlegde on my own boat during this winter 😃
ya buddy a video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i been lost with you two hahaha
Your moment with Captain Oso was hysterical…had me ROTFL.
Well you changed over everything brightened up
I know these last few videos/live streams have been and are very helpful to many people. But, to be selfish here, I look forward to getting back to the regularly scheduled program :)
Heck yea!!! Well done ! ⚡️ ⛵️✌🏼♥️
Wow, that’s a lot of technology in one boat.
Amazing power system, congratulations!!!!
Just bought my first lithium ion battery for my trailer. Imma purchase a boat one day but I figure I should start putting together a solar system together for a boat one day
Watching this video made me think about how you should definitely implement "Home Assistant" to Atticus. I have never seen it on a boat before, but it should be ideal. Even better than for most homes.
You can control for the app basically any light or switch as a bonus. But the main benefit would be the monitoring of your energy use. It can monitor (in real-time) and log energy flow (grid, solar, battery, generator, alternator) by adding cheap (wireless) current/voltage sensors to those components.
And it all works locally (on a 50usd Raspberry Pi 3 or 4, so no external Internet connection needed.
It's a cheap system to set up and it gives you enormous insight in your energy usage. You should check it out.
sweet day sailor!
The boat looks great Coast Guard one said don't paint your boat green on the bottom if it turns upside down we can't see it from the sky
Wow! So cool, lots of great information. Grateful for you guys and your instructional videos! It was great seeing you at the boat show and getting to absorb some of your wisdom on boat buying! Have a safe sail down to North Carolina!
All the best Team Atticus
This is a awesome info! Learning a lot to use on our project Thanks for making these!!
Great installation, really informative video. You knocked this one out if the park. Really enjoyed this one. 👍👍
As I do not have measurements of engine movements... However, for my taste the length of the first kable of your alternator looks a litte short to take all the vibration and movements from your engine for a long time frame. Checking the high loaded connections with the temperature gauge is a thing you should do regularly in the future (under high load).
Besides all that, congratulation to your new system!
If the belt starts coming apart it might start hitting your wiring also
Good job and good video! Thank you for showing us, a great adventure for sure! J.R.
It is always a great feeling when a project comes together and works as planned on the first try!
I am a little surprised that you didn't go with a bit higher voltage and smaller cables. Also, I always silver soldered wire that could be exposed to corrosion, ie saltwater, however, the time and effort may have been more than the risk/ benefit.
Remember the more complicated and sophisticated the system, the more difficult to repair and replace components specially if you are in remote locations… take spare components if posible
Great to see this progress! Then, it will all go down on whether you will be able to troubleshoot it halfway to Galapagos in a 3 day dead calm with 60degC sunshine and when your watermaker should work full speed but something wrong with the System... Looking forward to sea trials!
Awesome!
Absolutely loved the technical off-grid install tutorial. You content was clear and easy to understand. My only question is the high voltage alternator. I personally am going with an 800w wind turbine because I’ve watched the guy from Saillife really struggle with a similar concept. That being said , I really hope it works for you guys . Loved the episode!!
Sam
So, what do you 2 have Capt. Oso on?
He is wayyyy too chill for a little dog.